Most Muslims do have not read the Koran completly.
If you are Christian and do not have a Bible, and have not read it from cover to cover there is
a Koran on line: http://etext.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/HolKora.html
Then it maybe a good idea to read some Koran Contadictions http://answering-islam.org.uk
they seem to be fair.
I have included this article as I am fed up with so called people with so called religious understanding making remarks when they have not thoroughly read their religious book/s
Hope that this is of some help
Regards
Bob The line with the dreaded term (Joke) Christian should read:
If you are Muslim and do not have a Koran, and have not read it from cover to cover there is:
Sorry
Regards
Bob
peace be upon you.
Dude, those three posts that "so and so don't read their own religious texts" were all really bad. You clearly need to do more research.
I know for a fact that all Muslims (real muslims, not the ones who's parents are Muslim and so says he's muslim when he's not) have read the Qur'an or a part of the Qur'an.
Infact, you have clearly shown yourself to have done little research. Every Ramathan many Muslims try to read ALL of the Qur'an from cover to cover. Also Muslims LEARN parts of the Qur'an for prayer. This means all Muslims know parts of the Qur'an.
As for those supposed contradictions, they are all misreadings or deliberate twisting of verses. When i used to spend lots of times at christian forums, i had to debate these "contradictions". I found out they are all fake. The Qur'an contains no contradictions. Here: http://www.submission.org/answering-Islam.htm this refutes the answering-islam page.
Do more research next time before throwing out random statements.
may God bless you. The Koran is always under fire similarly to the bible, there has to be contradictions in both holy books as the writers where human.
The verses of the Koran were written in poetic form, the original book was actually written by Jewish scribes. It is said that the verses placed within the Koran were from followers that memorized the words of Muhammad.
I have now one human being stating that I have not researched enough after I admitted that he was right I have not finished my research, next he will state that the Koran can only be understood in Arabic. I have had replies to this when I questioned Clerics in London at speakers corner. However my friends in Asia are much more sensible and will respect sensible questions about their belief.
I know there are contradictions, but that’s not a problem as they are only minor HUMAN errors. There are however many other problems with this religion as with most religions.
One of my problems with Islam is about: Poetic verse chanted over and over again could brainwash some one, religious cults use that system to brainwash their flock. I wonder?
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The Koran is always under fire similarly to the bible, there has to be contradictions in both holy books as the writers where human.
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You're wrong. The author of the Qur'an was God. In-fact the Qur'an itself CHALLENGES you to find a contradiction. I find that quite cool 
For 1400 years, this challenge still has not been met. No-one has ever found a contradiction. Some people are very much annoyed by this and make up contradictions. E.g. answering-islam.org has twisted several translations and deliberately not taken context into account.
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I have no idea where you got that from. The Qur'an was documented (written down) by the prophet Muhammad's, peace and blessings upon him, close friends and family.
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It is said that the verses placed within the Koran were from followers that memorized the words of Muhammad.
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No no. When a new verse or chapter was revealed, the prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, would get his close friends of family (the ones that were literate of course!) to write it down. Ali ibn Talib often wrote the Qur'an down.
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I have now one human being stating that I have not researched enough after I admitted that he was right I have not finished my research, next he will state that the Koran can only be understood in Arabic.
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You certainly have not researched enough. If you had you would know Muslims read the Qur'an during Ramathan. If you had researched enough, you would know these contradictions to be fake by your own research.
For example: one supposed contradictions says that in one verse Gabriel visits Mary while in another it's the Holy Spirit who visits Mary. This is a contradiction? Nope. Why? If you had researched you'd know, that Gabriel IS the Holy Spirit in Islam.
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I have had replies to this when I questioned Clerics in London at speakers corner. However my friends in Asia are much more sensible and will respect sensible questions about their belief.
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I respect your questions. But i'm just telling you to go read and learn before you make claims such as "the koran has contradictions".
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I know there are contradictions, but that’s not a problem as they are only minor HUMAN errors. There are however many other problems with this religion as with most religions.
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No contradictions. Did you know that we have original Qur'ans which were examined by the prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, himself? Yep! The ORIGINALS are still in existence. One of them is in Istanbul. Another somewhere in Russia.
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One of my problems with Islam is about: Poetic verse chanted over and over again could brainwash some one, religious cults use that system to brainwash their flock. I wonder?
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There's no brainwashing. A Muslim repeats verses he has learnt by heart in Salat. If a Muslim had to recite something new every single time he prayed, then the Qur'an would have to be the size of every single book in the world put together. Obviously for practical purposes the Qur'an is a good easy size.
may God bless you.Well ... if you understand the arabic language then u will know it's real meaning. Since, there r so many translated version of holy quran and sometimes translated one may conflict with the original one. Each translated version has one statement that if something is not clear then everybody should refer to the original one.
So, if you find any contradiction in any translated one, u should read the arabic one. If u don't know arabic, try to get help who knows arabic.
Until yet nobody proof any contradiction from the arabic quran and it's not possible as it's the syaing of GOD transmitted through the Mohammad (PUBH). And until the last day of judgement, the holy quran will remain same as it is.
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You're wrong. The author of the Qur'an was God. In-fact the Qur'an itself CHALLENGES you to find a contradiction. I find that quite cool
For 1400 years, this challenge still has not been met. No-one has ever found a contradiction. Some people are very much annoyed by this and make up contradictions. E.g. answering-islam.org has twisted several translations and deliberately not taken context into account. |
I am challenging with a bold statement “GOD HAS NOT WROTE A WORD, MEN HAVE WROTE EVERY HOLY BOOK HERE ON EARTH”
You prove to me that God wrote anything?
Tell him to write to me he knows my address?
Hey God I want a letter!
You think that stupid well think about your own statement “The author of the Qur'an was God”. It is not true it however may be true that God spoke to Muhammad through his angel and Muhammad recited the words to his followers who then later recited to the scribes that authored the Koran. More truthful my friend!
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The Koran (also spelled Qur'an), the holy book of the Islamic religion, was written by followers of the prophet Muhammad (c. 570–632). From 610 until his death, Muhammad received visions from Allah (God). Muhammad's followers recorded these visions in what is now the Koran. Although parts of the 114 chapters of the Koran were recorded during his lifetime, the final version was compiled after his death.
Education: most people could not write c 570 – 632 the only scribes were in fact Jewish. We must remember also the original converts were Jewish also and the Torah is the foundation document to the Islamic Faith. Muhammad did not write the Koran and it is thought that Muhammad could not write.
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Well ... if you understand the Arabic language then u will know it's real meaning. Since, there r so many translated version of holy Quran and sometimes translated one may conflict with the original one. Each translated version has one statement that if something is not clear then everybody should refer to the original one. So, if you find any contradiction in any translated one, u should read the arabic one. If u don't know Arabic, try to get help who knows Arabic.
Until yet nobody proof any contradiction from the arabic quran and it's not possible as it's the saying of GOD transmitted through the Mohammad (PUBH). And until the last day of judgement, the holy quran will remain same as it is. |
The translations differ only because the poetic verse is lost in the translation. Many believers use the translated verses as reference and their belief is just as solid. I do not believe that the Koran is more easy to understand in Arabic, it is certainly more easier to remember.
My true problem with the Koran is the amount of times 2.5% tax is mentioned within the poetic text. Plus how many times that the statement “Kill the infidels” is mentioned, does this book a book of war? I am told not. Understand the Koran of course I do, just to much my friend.
Best Regards Recently in Indonesia published a book entitle "The Power of Al-Fatihah". The writer, Prof. Dr. Amien Aziz, criticizing Muslim people which most do not understand the content of Al-Quran, even one of the short surah which only consisting of seven sentence (ayah). Aziz affirm that Muslim people situated behind because of their stupidity in understanding al-Quran. Do that because al-Quran written in Arab language? His question: is Christian people getting progress because their Holy Book, Bible, written in local language?
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| Recently in Indonesia published a book entitle "The Power of Al-Fatihah". The writer, Prof. Dr. Amien Aziz, criticizing Muslim people which most do not understand the content of Al-Quran, even one of the short surah which only consisting of seven sentence (ayah). Aziz affirm that Muslim people situated behind because of their stupidity in understanding al-Quran. Do that because al-Quran written in Arab language? His question: is Christian people getting progress because their Holy Book, Bible, written in local language? |
That's quite an ignorant book. I've never met a Muslim who DOESN'T understand Al-Fatiha (chapter 1). In-fact one fifth of Muslims are arab who almost all understand classical Arabic. Anyone Muslims who pray five times a day, understands some parts of the Qur'an because they have learnt the meaning of the words they are saying. This in itself disproves your whole post.
may God bless you. | loyal wrote: |
| silkmesh wrote: | The Koran is always under fire similarly to the bible, there has to be contradictions in both holy books as the writers where human.
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You're wrong. The author of the Qur'an was God. In-fact the Qur'an itself CHALLENGES you to find a contradiction. I find that quite cool
For 1400 years, this challenge still has not been met. No-one has ever found a contradiction. Some people are very much annoyed by this and make up contradictions. E.g. answering-islam.org has twisted several translations and deliberately not taken context into account.
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Oh please, the Qur’an encourages brainwashed blind faith that asks no penetrating moral questions AT ALL, but just blindly accepts the religious bigotry encoded in the Qur’an. You can’t answer my most basic theological question about Islam, Loyal. You can’t even ADDRESS the question. This is a clear sign of brain washing. People who aren’t brain washed can at least address a question… but you can’t even provide a flawed answer, you just can’t bring yourself to defend the identity of the Qur’an’s author at all. All you can do is simply assume that because Mohammed heard voices that they MUST be angels and not demons. Why? Simply because it was Mohammed who heard it and not anyone else, even though he himself was terrified at the possibility that they were demons.
Robert Anton LeVay’s Satanic Bible is totally inferior to the Qur’an in terms of being a slick con job written from a demonic point of view to try and convince innocent people to embrace the devil without realizing what they are doing.
Why is it that you simply assume that if Mohammed heard voices that they MUST be angels and could not possibly have been demonic imposters?
This is the FIRST question that any truly God fearing person asks when confronted by the spirit realm. “Where is this coming from? God or the devil?” You, Loyal, are incapable of asking yourself this most fundamental of all religious and spiritual questions.
If it happened to you, you would reject it automatically and assume it is demonic, and yet in the case of Mohammed your logic is reversed. Because it happened to Mohammed you just automatically assume that it was angelic, without being able to provide a single shred of evidence to support this notion. It is in TOTAL contradiction to the logic that you would apply to voices if you heard them yourself.
You can’t apply even the most basic common sense reasoning to your own religion, Loyal. That is the very antithesis, the most opposite extreme of the case that you described. 1400 years and the challenge has never been met? Islam was born with the challenge TOTALLY ignored from the start, even though Islam is the by far the worst and most glaring case of totally failing these challenges of theological consistency of any religious or shamanistic theological system on the planet.
Even Satanism does not fail the internal theological consistency checks as blatantly as Islam does, and someone made it up from scratch on their own just a few decades ago.
