Concepts of a New Religion.
Foreword
It is obvious to me at least that the old religions are completely out of touch with present day reality, too much mysticism and magic. The original holy books where wrote centuries ago when mankind was not too bright.
The whole concept of writing a new modern day holy book to me seems very intriguing task, not that simple, where does one start? Perhaps ‘simple’ maybe the key to success?
Yes lets try the simple approach, by abstracting some of the original writings to fit in with modern day thoughts and culture.
The Second Renaissance Bible
List of possible contents:
A modern day God
Update the 10 commandments to suit modern day thinking.
A correct way of asking Gods to forgive or offer unselfish prayer
Cut out the middleman and Pray direct
The modern day citizen normally leads a very busy life, long work hours and this new religion will be a blessing as there is no need to go to a church and pray.
The religion does not need funding, as there is no need for a priest or any form of temple.
Keeping the religion simple and the methodology straightforward is a necessity.
I need help on idea's for a possible bible for mordern man Possible you could relate what you would like to see in a bible acceptable to you?
The Second Renaissance Bible.
God is the Creator of the universe, the ultimate being, he knows, sees, understand and values you as one of his chosen ones, you are one of Gods children. Have faith in God he is every caring to those that believe in him. There is only one God he is the divine deity.
The New Ten Commandments.
1. There is only one god, no other!
2. No graven Images are needed.
3. Do not kill a fellow human being.
4. Do Not Steal.
5. Be faithful to your wife or partner.
6. No Corruption or bribing.
7. Always tell the truth.
8. Do not spread malicious rumours.
9. Obey the Laws of your country.
10. Honour your Parents.
Values:
Lead a moral life treating everybody as you wish your self to be treated.
Every thing in moderation.
Be respectful to the elderly and those infirmed.
Be well mannered always say please and thank you.
Try not to be selfish
Pray for others and not yourself.
Remember to seek forgiveness from those you have sinned against prior to seeking forgiveness from God.
Cut out the middleman and pray direct
(Remember this simple Bible was wrote by a man and not God, but I do believe there is a ultimate being that you may or not be called God and this is in fact my bible on how to live moral life and how to pray to my possible maker.)
Your own Bible's please.......
Best Regards
Bob Johnson-Perkins
i'm sorry, i don't really see the sense of any of this.
On the one hand if you don't believe in a god, you're never going to buy the idea of just making one up for the purpose of having a half-cocked "bible".
On the other, if you do believe in a god, you already have a concept of one. If that god already comes complete with a bible, you're not going to just drop it and pick another one. If it doesn't why bother picking a bible up if you didn't need one before? There's no reason to randomly pick a book off the shelf and say "this is my (new)" bible.
Why not?, What if?
I do believe in a higher supernatural being like so many other citizens on this planet. Why not create a bible for them just as an enteresting thing for those that are interested.
Please do not push such a negative points on this one to me, because you are right I do not believe in any man made religion or pagan type of gods. In fact any form of mystical claptrap.
It could be intelectual fun buddy, lighten up and enjoy
Regards
Bob Johnson-Perkins
I'm sort of with Indi on this. I just don't see a need for a new bible...
| silkmesh wrote: |
| It could be intelectual fun buddy, lighten up and enjoy |
Before a thing can be intellectual fun, it must first be intellectual. Copying existing religious concepts wholesale is not an intellectual exercise. Snipping out the nasty bits then replacing them with empty platitudes is also not an intellectual excercise. Besides, if you were serious about this being an intellectual discussion, why would you brush off the most obvious - and first - question asked? Do you intend to just shrug off all questions that you don't have answers for?
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| Please do not push such a negative points on this one to me, because you are right I do not believe in any man made religion or pagan type of gods. In fact any form of mystical claptrap. |
You mean mystical claptrap like an all-powerful, omnipresent, supremely knowing and wise, transcendent, intelligent being who, despite having the power to create universes at will has enough time and interest in your personal life to listen in to prayers? (See, there's an intellectual question in there that should probably be asked.)
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But how about we try to play the game, and consider this bible "intellectually". Let's see where this takes us.
Exactly what kind of commandment... is this:
| silkmesh wrote: |
| 1. There is only one god, no other! |
Why is it there? What does it command? Is it necessary? After going about how simple this should be... why include unnecessary "commandments"?
And then there's this interesting dichotomy. After going on about how this is "modernizing" religion and talking about making this all "fit in with modern day thoughts and culture"... we get this:
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| 2. No graven Images are needed. |
Now, the previous questions still apply. What does this command, anyway? And is it necessary?
But here's the most bizarre part. Do we really have a glut of graven images in our "modern day thoughts and culture"? i mean, really, do we? Let's see... i think there are a bunch of sculptures on display at the library/civic center... and there's one by that restaurant that looks vaguely like two people screwing... but i think that's about it for graven images in a 10 km radius around here, and i live in a major city. i'm going to go out on a limb here and say... we don't really have such a large graven image problem in our "modern day thoughts and culture" such that it not only deserves its own commandment, it deserves to be stated before the one against killing.
(What's that you say? But "graven images" is representative of icons in general that are not necessarily graven blah blah blah.... Alright, suppose that were true.... Then why not just say it? This is a "simple", "modern" bible, right? So why are you using symbology from the days of ancient Greece and words that have been out of fashion for a hundred years? Without looking in a dictionary, do you even know what "graven" means?)
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i could go on picking holes at the commandments - like asking what happens in the case of self-defence or the necessity of the greater good in terms of #3, or pointing out just how incredibly dangerous and destructive #7 can be, or questioning the ethics and logic of #10, etc. etc. - but instead i'm going to point out the greater flaws in what's happening there.
A couple times you mention how important it is to be unselfish - it's one of the core values you mention. But then you say this: "The modern day citizen normally leads a very busy life, long work hours and this new religion will be a blessing as there is no need to go to a church and pray." i can't believe that it hasn't occurred to you how hypocritical it is to sell this religion by pointing out how it is less work to follow than the older religions, and then in the same text argue that selfishness is bad.
And then, there's this gem. "Simple" is your buzzword and you spend paragraphs talking about how much simpler it is (and implying that that is good). But if this idea is really so simple... and if it is really so in tune with "modern day thoughts and culture"... ... ... ... why does it need a book to explain it?
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Well... it looks like i stand corrected. i'm humble enough to admit when i was wrong. It appears my earlier statements were premature and incorrect:
That was rather intellectually fun.You guys
Lighten up!
I am just giving you a chance to relate what you would wish to see in a bible that would suit your personal needs in reference to your posible faith etc.....
sorry about the bad spelling ect.....
But you all give a boring defence.
Guys this is just a fun exercise it not for real
Be inventive, creative be your self.
Ahhhhhhhh craZY CLOSITED people with mo imagination and no artistic tALENT are just a waste of space.
Regards
Bob Johnson-Perkins
Right lets look at what I am aiming at.
Your ideas do not have to be on a religious platform conserning a new age bible but more on the virtues and morals of modern day living.
The word Bible has another meaning that of rules to obey.
I have offered my interpretation of what I would like to see in a bible. Though these rules maybe outland to you may be offencive.
Come on guys what would you want in a bible if you were god or a man seeking peace etc....
Regards
Bob
Its very simple.
JUST EXPRESS YOUR VIEWS ON WHAT YOU WOULD WANT IN A NEW BIBLE FOR MODERN MAN.
COME ON GUYS LIGHTEN UP, EXPRESS YOUR SELVES, SHOW US creativity enlightenment and feelings
Regards
Bob
I don't see a need in a 'bibble' for man at all. Unless you are writing a brand new type of 'knowledge' book which has nothing to do with 'bible' as we know it.
In that case, 'growing up', 'meaning to life', 'morals', 'depresion', 'god', 'free will', 'brainwashing'( 
), 'attitude'...everything you need to know to live happy in general. good idea though! 
I think a new bible would be good, but only if it wud apply for every religion...
so that we stop fighting each other over religious conflicts,
The chance that this ever happens doesn't even exist....
lol why would we need ANOTHER religion... it will provoke more commotion aspecially if ur religion wud say something that someone else's religion doesn't like or w/e
- kev -
There is no need to start another organized religion. Just use free thinking and dispense your ideas to the world but don't create an institution around it. Nobody will buy into your religion because it was based on nothing but the concept of Monotheism. Think about it: The old testament has been around for thousands of years. Thus, you can have a little more faith in it. Your book has been around for not even half that long. For all we know you could be pulling facts out of your butt.
Most Christians do not read the Bible, this is a fact.
If you are Christian and do not have a Bible, and have not read it from cover to cover there is
a set of Bibles on line: http://www.onlinebible.org/
Then it maybe a good idea to read some bible Contadictions http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/
by David Morgan of whom has done honest research.
I have included this article as I am fed up with so called people with so called religious understanding making remarks when they have not thoroughly read their religious book/s
Hope that this is of some help
Regards
Bob | silkmesh wrote: |
Most Christians do not read the Bible, this is a fact.
If you are Christian and do not have a Bible, and have not read it from cover to cover there is
a set of Bibles on line: http://www.onlinebible.org/
Then it maybe a good idea to read some bible Contadictions http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/
by David Morgan of whom has done honest research.
I have included this article as I am fed up with so called people with so called religious understanding making remarks when they have not thoroughly read their religious book/s
Hope that this is of some help
Regards
Bob |
As I said, an institution that's been around for thousands of years versus one that has been around for ten minutes. Which one is more believable? Most people aren't willing to trust religions like Scientology.But...I always said that if something is extremely unusual or crazy or different (you get the picture)...it might just work!
New religion is a good idea...as long as it's not demanding and is based to do good...
| silkmesh wrote: |
Concepts of a New Religion.
Foreword
It is obvious to me at least that the old religions are completely out of touch with present day reality, too much mysticism and magic. The original holy books where wrote centuries ago when mankind was not too bright.
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That is a ignorant statement. Not only that, you clearly don't have a clue what the purpose of Religions are. Religions were not invented to have "magic". In-fact, you'd be hard-pressed to find a real religion that tells its followers to practice magic. orthodox Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, and most likely all of the monotheistic religions either disprove of magic or ban its use.
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The whole concept of writing a new modern day holy book to me seems very intriguing task, not that simple, where does one start? Perhaps ‘simple’ maybe the key to success?
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Dude, what's the purpose of monotheistic religion? To serve the the Greater Being. To submit, serve and love Him. Religion isn't something to explain how the world was created. Religion is something to explain WHY the world was created.
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Yes lets try the simple approach, by abstracting some of the original writings to fit in with modern day thoughts and culture.
The Second Renaissance Bible
List of possible contents:
A modern day God
Update the 10 commandments to suit modern day thinking.
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The ten commandments are already in line with modern day thinking. Perhaps the lack of ability to follow them suggests a lack of morals?
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A correct way of asking Gods to forgive or offer unselfish prayer
Cut out the middleman and Pray direct
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Most religions, (christianity not included), DO pray to God direct.
Also prayers aren't selfish. The person who prays so he can get to Heaven is selfish. Prayers are made because you love God. Also petitionary prayers can be made, which are for ANOTHER person. So they are not selfish at all.
may God bless you. | loyal wrote: |
Most religions, (christianity not included), DO pray to God direct.
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This isn't quite true...Most prayers are addressed to God directly (bear in mind that even "in the name of Jesus Christ" is still addressing God, by recognizing that Jesus is part of God). With Catholics, it's a bit more interesting, as addressing a prayer to a saint may seem to addressing an intermediary, but is still addressing an aspect of God (in essence, you're just focusing the prayer by contacting a saint that represents what you are asking for, even though it is meant for God directly).
If it helps...
HMI think making your own religions fine. Why not belive what you want, it might help to have a modern religion. Does it matter what your beliefs are
or not?
A lot of people pray directly to God yet others just pray for someone to help them or pray just in general.
I prety much agree with DivinityWolf here. but Silkmesh, if you are actualy introducing a factor of 'god' or 'higher being' into your 'new bible' try to put it in a way that the person has a choice to believe in god or not and yet still follow this 'religion'.
P.S. Personaly i don't believe religion is anything but a fantasy of human kind.
Using the word BIBLE will be an insurmountable obstacle for a lot of people.
As soon as they hear it's a new bible they won't hear anything else.
Call it a Guidebook and more people will be open to the message.
