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doomachine2000
I got it from my MSDN subscription, what did all of you think of it if you seen it? I thought it was actually quite sad.....it still has some errors but the longhorn alpha version was even worser, you couldn't even load the internet without it rebooting....lol......It would be awesome if win vista like joins win xp media center 2005 then the speeds and the converting of movies would be fantastic....but I doubt they will ever do that, 2.4gb is the full size of win vista, and I think it's a waste of space, it can't do much. lol so what are your views on this new invenstion by the win team....is it crap or is it good?
orno
its still a beta! BETA1!!

its got a long way to go indeed, but i'm sure the final version will be awesome! and in the future when its released (end 2006 i hope!) 2.4GB will be nothing...

computers today come with 40GB standard, by 2006 end that will probably be 200GB standard Smile
ngage
yes alpha and beta version

NOT SECURÝTY!!!!!!! Why? Because Alpha And Beta Version
Maka
ngage wrote:
yes alpha and beta version

NOT SECURÝTY!!!!!!! Why? Because Alpha And Beta Version


Wow like we didnt know Rolling Eyes . *spam*
SNES350
Just about everywhere I've looked people talk about this, even though its missing most of its features. Why discuss something when it doesn't have most of its main points?
shr3dd
XP's final version is shitty, so why in the hell would you think a m$ alpha/beta would be good? lol
doomachine2000
Yeah I know, its obviously gonna be shit.....but I guess some people love to have the *in* thing
crip1087
I cant wait til Windows Vista comes out, I think Windows XP Pro is pretty much the perfect OS right now so I wonder what they can possibly do to make it better. I personally dont want to get the beta just because well..betas are betas and i prefer just waiting for the final thing to come out so its just that much better for me
Maka
Personally they should just keep working on xp to make it a lot better instead of a whole new os, but the world runs on money so I can see why they do it.
tony
Maka wrote:
Personally they should just keep working on xp to make it a lot better instead of a whole new os, but the world runs on money so I can see why they do it.


I think the new os plan is better. The ultimate goal of vista afterall is to bridge the gap between xp and blackcomb. and its all nt-based anyway.
Deji
i must admit i like XP or well its ok

just wish Microsoft would work on stability / realistic minimum requirements (apparently you can have windows xp running on)

•PC with 300 megahertz or higher processor clock speed recommended; 233 MHz minimum required (single or dual processor system);* Intel Pentium/Celeron family, or AMD K6/Athlon/Duron family, or compatible processor recommended
•128 megabytes (MB) of RAM or higher recommended (64 MB minimum supported; may limit performance and some features)
•1.5 gigabytes (GB) of available hard disk space*
•Super VGA (800 x 600) or higher-resolution video adapter and monitor
•CD-ROM or DVD drive

which is a pile of crap ive seen normal (1ghz+) machines struggle with XP because of only having 256mb ram...


ive used the media center edition before on a friends PC and i must admit i like it, but would love for windows to be more stable. Or to have actual useful "troubleshooting" advice the amount of times it just says "ask your network administraitior" ><. Or less security issues.

they seem so keen to keep producing new operating systems, without fixing the problems of the older ones.
acid
i am really looking forward to gettin windows vista... and i have heard that it has a virus already...but i hope not cuz that would reall suck Laughing
mars
I only 1G CPU,512M men. Crying or Very sad
MeleceNi
I found an official sheet:

Microsoft Windows Vista Beta 1 Fact Sheet
Windows Vista beta 1 is an important milestone on Microsoft’s path to releasing the final version of Windows Vista. Beta 1 is being delivered to more than 10,000 beta testers.
Related Links
Microsoft Resources
• Windows Vista Virtual Pressroom and Images

• MS Logos

• Windows Vista Announcement Video

• Windows Vista Web Site


Windows Vista™ beta 1 is an important milestone on Microsoft Corp.’s path to releasing the final version of Windows Vista. Beta 1 will provide developers, IT professionals and Windows® enthusiasts with an opportunity to test the operating system’s infrastructure and provide Microsoft with valuable feedback. Beta 1 is being delivered to more than 10,000 beta testers via the Windows Vista Technical Beta Program, and thousands more people will receive beta 1 through the MSDN® developer program and Microsoft® TechNet.


Fundamental Improvements for Computing With More Confidence

Windows Vista beta 1 focuses on greatly improving the Windows’ fundamentals — security, deployment, manageability and performance — so developers, IT professionals and end users can have more confidence in their PCs. Enhancements have been made in the following areas:
MeleceNi
Security. Windows Vista will deliver many new or improved security features that provide a usable, consistent and manageable experience in corporate, mobile and roaming environments, as well as in the home. Some examples of new security features in Windows Vista beta 1 include these:

• User Account Protection features enable administrators to deploy PCs set up to give end users only the privileges they need to perform their tasks. This bridges the gap between user and administrative privileges by running applications with limited permissions.

• Windows Service Hardening monitors critical Windows services for abnormal activity in the file system, registry and network that could be used to allow malware to persist on a machine or propagate to other machines.

• Anti-malware features detect and remove worms, viruses and other types of malicious software from the computer during an upgrade.

• Advanced data protection technologies reduce the risk that data on laptops or on other computers will be viewed by unauthorized users, even if the computer is lost or stolen. Windows Vista supports full-volume encryption to help prevent disk access to files by other operating systems. It also stores encryption keys in a Trusted Platform Model (TPM) v1.2 chip. The entire system partition is encrypted in both the hibernation file and the user data.

• Microsoft Internet Explorer 7 in Windows Vista Beta 1 includes many features to help protect against malicious Web sites and malware. To help protect against phishing and spoofing attacks, Internet Explorer also does the following:

• Highlights the address bar when users visit a secure sockets layer-protected site and lets users easily check the validity of a site’s security certificate

• Allows users to clear all cached data with a single click


• Network Access Protection. Viruses and worms can attack a protected internal network through mobile computers that do not have the latest updates, security configuration settings or virus signatures downloaded. Mobile users may connect to unprotected networks at hotels, airports or coffee shops, where their computers can become infected by malware or a virus. Windows Vista has Network Access Protection to help prevent security-compromised computers from connecting to a user’s internal network until security criteria are met.

• Firewall. Windows Vista provides outgoing as well as incoming filtering, which can be centrally managed via Group Policy. This lets administrators control which applications are allowed to communicate or are blocked from communicating on the network. Controlling network access is one of the most important ways to mitigate security risks.


• Deployment. Windows Vista will help make desktop deployment dramatically faster and easier. Deployment features included in Windows Vista Beta 1 include the following:

• The Windows Imaging (WIM) format provides a single file that contains one or more complete Windows Vista installation images. To conserve space, Windows Vista compresses the file and stores only a single copy of files that more than one image share. As a result, Windows Vista images help eliminate redundancy, decrease file size, and reduce installation or migration time. Image-based setup also is less error-prone than a scripted installation process.

• Windows Pre-installation Environment (PE) enables administrators to configure Windows offline as well as diagnose and troubleshoot hardware problems before launching the setup process.

• The Application Compatibility Toolkit (ACT) helps administrators quickly identify, analyze and resolve any issues with non-standard applications being migrated to Windows Vista.


• Manageability. Windows Vista will help reduce total cost of ownership (TCO) of PCs through simplified management, increased automation of tasks and improved diagnostics. Improvements in Windows Vista beta 1 include these:

• Better diagnostics implementation, including auto-diagnosis and auto-correction of common error conditions, fixes for known crashes and “hangs,” and new technology to minimize reboots when installing software, are included.

• An improved Task Scheduler schedules tasks to launch when a specific event occurs, such as when disk space becomes insufficient.

• Web Services for Management (WS-Management) makes it easier to run scripts remotely and to perform other management tasks. Communication can be both encrypted and authenticated, helping limit security risks.

• Microsoft Management Console 3.0 (MMC 3.0) provides a common framework for management tools, making them easier to find and use. MMC 3.0 supports richer, more functional graphical user interfaces for management and allows administrators to run multiple tasks in parallel, keeping administrative tools responsive even after launching a complex or slow management task.


• Performance. Windows Vista will help improve PC performance in key areas, including starting up, waking up and responding to user actions. Performance features included in Windows Vista beta 1 include the following:

• Quick startup. Login scripts and startup applications and services process in the background while users perform their desired tasks.

• Sleep state. The new Sleep state in Windows Vista combines the speed of Standby mode with data protection features and low-power consumption of Hibernate. The Sleep state also allows users to change or remove a battery with little risk to open applications and data, since memory is safely written to the hard disk. Startup from the Sleep state requires just seconds, meaning fewer shutdowns and restarts are necessary, which helps improve power management.

• Superior memory management and improved input/output (I/O) management makes Windows Vista more responsive than previous versions of Windows, especially in the most noticeable tasks, such as opening the Start menu or right-clicking a file in Windows Explorer to display a shortcut menu.
MeleceNi
Clear and Connected

Many of the innovative end-user features and user-interface (UI) changes for Windows Vista will not be included until the release of Windows Vista beta 2. However, Windows Vista beta 1 does include an early look at the new UI design, and showcases some of the features that will give users clear ways to organize and use their information and seamlessly connect to people and devices, including these:

• Searching and finding information.Windows Vista will introduce a new organization concept called a Virtual Folder, which is a saved search that is automatically and instantly run when a user opens the folder. In addition, every new Explorer in the operating system, including Internet Explorer, includes a new Quick Search box that enables customers to quickly search through large amounts of content being viewed or to initiate wider content searches across the PC.

• Glass and new Window animation. The Windows Vista desktop experience will deliver a new visual identity — translucent glass with more animation. Because it is visually intuitive, the glass helps users focus on the task at hand, whether reading a document, viewing a Web page or editing a photo.

• Redesigned Start menu with application search. The Windows Vista redesigned Start menu will make it faster and easier for users to find specific applications and to browse through all programs.

• Sync Manager. Windows Vista will unify the synchronization with the Sync Manager, a new interface that enables users to initiate a manual sync, stop an in-progress sync, see the status of current sync activities and receive notifications to resolve conflicts across all devices and data sources with the click of a single button.

• Networked projection for mobile PCs. Windows Vista will make it easier for users to connect a mobile PC to a projector over a network to display a presentation, or to share a presentation with nearby PCs. The networked projection feature allows a Windows Vista-based computer to detect nearby PCs or projectors and establish a connection through a network, regardless of whether the network is wired or wireless, ad hoc or part of a corporate infrastructure.


Internet Explorer 7 for Windows Vista Beta 1

In addition to the security features mentioned above, Internet Explorer 7 in Windows Vista beta 1 includes new capabilities that make everyday tasks easier, including support for tabbed browsing, a toolbar search box that includes AOL search, Ask Jeeves, Google, MSN® Search and Yahoo! Search, as well as shrink-to-fit printing of Web pages to automatically resize the page to print properly. Also, with new integrated support for emerging technologies such as Web feeds (RSS), users of Internet Explorer 7 in Windows Vista will get personalized news, sports, shopping information and blogs delivered directly to their PCs. Internet Explorer 7 in Windows Vista beta 2 will continue to build on the security enhancements with support for anti-phishing, which will help warn and protect users against fraudulent Web sites and personal data theft in the browser. It will also add a Protected Mode to give Internet Explorer sufficient rights to browse the Web, but not enough rights to modify user settings or data. Many of these new browser features will also be available to users of Windows XP through Internet Explorer 7 for Windows XP Service Pack 2. Internet Explorer 7 beta 1 for Windows XP is now available to IT administrators, developers and enthusiasts for testing and evaluation through the Technical Beta Program and MSDN.

Windows Server, Code-Named “Longhorn”

The first beta of Windows Server™, code-named “Longhorn,” also is now available to a limited number of participants in the Technical Beta Program, including hardware manufacturers, original equipment manufacturers, independent hardware vendors, system builders, independent software vendors and developers. The next version of Windows Server, code-named “Longhorn” is designed to provide a secure and reliable server platform, helping customers reduce IT complexity, increase end-user productivity and deliver rich new applications. The new server operating system is slated for final release in 2007.

“Avalon” and “Indigo”

Windows Vista beta 1 also includes the first beta of Windows Presentation Foundation (formerly known by the code name “Avalon”) and Windows Communication Foundation (formerly known by the code name “Indigo”), which are part of the WinFX™ programming model. WinFX extends the Microsoft .NET Framework with classes for building new user interface experiences and advanced Web services. Together, they enable developers to build connected systems that take advantage of the processing power of the smart client, incorporate cutting-edge media and graphics, and communicate with other applications with improved security and reliability.

System Requirements


Minimum system requirements will not be known until summer 2006 at the earliest. However, these guidelines provide useful estimates:

• 512 megabytes (MB) or more of RAM

• A dedicated graphics card with DirectX® 9.0 support

• A modern, Intel Pentium- or AMD Athlon-based PC.
leodv
Vista has some improvement of it's own from XP, and i must say they have gone 1 more level into user interface design and stress on ease of using Vista over the previous OS they released. I like the "labeling instead of folder" filesystem of vista, and also how they ultilise the GPU of the computer, but at the same time, means no weak machines will be able to run vista..Espacially those older generation graphics card. Sad
Defsanguje
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demex
I'm a little confused...is vista longhorn? or is longhorn something else?
orcaz
demex wrote:
I'm a little confused...is vista longhorn? or is longhorn something else?

It is currently called Windows Vista. It is used to be called Windows Longhorn, but Windows has changed the name since it released its first beta.
techack
From Windows ITPro

Quote:
:
"Two days before the start of Professional Developers Conference (PDC) 2005, I've received exclusive insider information about the product editions, or SKUs, which Microsoft intends to create for Windows Vista (codenamed Longhorn). While the exact breakdown of the Windows Vista editions has been the subject of much speculation, this list closely matches the editions list I first published on the SuperSite for Windows last year. Here's how the Windows Vista product editions break down.
Unquote

Here is a list of the Editions:
1. Windows Vista Starter Edition

2. Windows Vista Home Basic Edition

3. Windows Vista Home Premium Edition

4. Windows Vista Professional Edition

5. Windows Vista Small Business Edition

6. Windows Vista Enterprise Edition

7. Windows Vista Ultimate Edition

8. Windows Vista Embedded Edition



Plz. do reply!
Dragonfly
I never knew that Windows Vista is actually codenamed as the Longhorn. I thought it will be named Windows Longhorn. It has got many versions. Let's hope it improved many versions from Windows XP.
rjc1187
i have used vista because i know a programmer for microsoft, the features sometimes mirrors apples!
nik
cant' wait untill it will be relesed they worked on it so long... this is gowing to be the best os ever
hive
These different versios of the new OS smells like huge microsoft slot machine...

Does anyone knows what's the difference between that versions?
Donutey
the os looks really interesting.. i hope it will be VERY compatible with older programs ... (sometimes i still wished we had a dos base) ... though i've heard bad things such as "yearly subscriptions" ... etc...

apple os x is freebsd... which is open source... all the "pretty" stuff is owned by apple though... apples stability is not THAT impresive considering how little third party software is usually on macs...
smooky
i haf her a versie van windows vista leggen als het goed is
zeg maar als je wil
techack
Thx for replying and liking my post!!
babumuchhala
Dragonfly wrote:
I never knew that Windows Vista is actually codenamed as the Longhorn. I thought it will be named Windows Longhorn. It has got many versions. Let's hope it improved many versions from Windows XP.
Vista is NOT THE CODENAME. Its the final product name base.

I mean dont we have Windows XP and then Proffesional, Home, 64 bit, Media Centers, starter & blah blah. These are all XP with different packiging and some change

Its the same for Vista. Starter, Home Basic, Home premium, blah blah

I think basic is the pack thats in full compliance with it antitrust agreement & has nothin like Messenger & stuff where as premium products will have all Microsoft propritery products in it.

But the Ulitimate will be the one to Go for. (It dosent make a difference here in India. You can get any i mean ANY software for Rs 100 thats $2 from the roadside chap. Or for Rs 200 from a reliable person where what u get is guaranteed)
LostOverThere
C'mon.
Vista is basically the same as XP, its based on it.

Windows/Vista Will always be targeted to make Virus' for etc.
And the coding is terrible.

Linux is good enough for me. Smile
TreadStone
I am not sure Microsoft can bring us a great OS anymore.there are many virüs and spy attempts pn Windows so linux is better I think..
babumuchhala
LostOverThere wrote:
C'mon.
Vista is basically the same as XP, its based on it.
Shocked What the heck u say its based on Windows XP. Man get your facts right, its based on a much better and safer base of Windows 2003 Server.

LostOverThere wrote:
Windows/Vista Will always be targeted to make Virus' for etc.
And the coding is terrible.

Linux is good enough for me. Smile
Ya as if MS is doin it. As if Linux were more popular it will also have so many problems & viruses. The problem can be seen with Firefox, and Symantech saying its more vurnerable than IE. But one thing about Open Source is that it get its patch ready & despatched much much quicker than M$ Smile
mOrpheuS
babumuchhala wrote:
LostOverThere wrote:
C'mon.
Vista is basically the same as XP, its based on it.
Shocked What the heck u say its based on Windows XP. Man get your facts right, its based on a much better and safer base of Windows 2003 Server.

Not really.
I think LostOverThere has got a valid point there.

because windows 2003 is not much different from windows xp (which inturn is much like windows 2000)

I copied these from my win2k3 enterprise edition's explorer.exe using resource hacker.
(see all the hidden os's for yourself !)


And talking of differences in the various versions of the same widows os,
the corporate and regular version of windows xp professional differ in just 11 files.
And the enterprise edition and the datacenter edition of windows 2003 differ in just 2 files !

And it's not really a bad thing.
Code reuse is good.
Remember Netscape who decided to re-write the whole browser ?
They were left behind while their competitors releases newer versions one after the other.

But a lot more work has gone into longhorn than say, windows 2003.
It looks really promising.

babumuchhala wrote:
LostOverThere wrote:
Windows/Vista Will always be targeted to make Virus' for etc.
And the coding is terrible.

Linux is good enough for me. Smile
Ya as if MS is doin it. As if Linux were more popular it will also have so many problems & viruses. The problem can be seen with Firefox, and Symantech saying its more vurnerable than IE. But one thing about Open Source is that it get its patch ready & despatched much much quicker than M$ Smile

I agree with this, a the number of people trying to take down a software is proportional to number of people dependent on it.
As software reveals more security threats as its user base expands.
frozenhead
Oh well, I'm really looking forward to use the OS soon once it is release in our local market, Home Edition preferabbly. (By now, I'm saving some of my extra bucks to buy it)

I EXPECT THAT IT IS MORE SECURE THAN THE "PREVIOUS VERSIONS".. Idea
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thornhawk
From my first use of Win 3.1, I eagerly awaited to see the new developments of Windows - because it seemed that they were better than the last. However with the advent of Xp, I'm beginning to think that Microsoft has finally produced a product that is really good. Ie. No need to upgrade.
MS has been advertising heaps here in Australia about XP, with no real mention on Vista, and seriously, I see no point of getting Vista. Yer, a couple of new functions, etc, etc, but beyond that I see no point. I think XP is great. It is stable. It works. It looks good.

Is Vista just an excuse for us to consumers to be convinced that we need something we don't?
babumuchhala
For all those wondering about what all the different versions will have here's a description fro Paul Thurrott's winsupersite.com

Windows Vista Starter Edition
Paul Thurrott @ winsupersite.com wrote:
Aimed at beginner computer users in emerging markets who can only afford a low cost PC. As with the XP version, Windows Vista Starter Edition is a subset of Home Edition, and will ship in a 32-bit version only (no 64-bit x64 version). Starter Edition will allow only three applications (and/or three windows) to run simultaneously, will provide Internet connectivity but not incoming network communications, and will not provide for logon passwords or Fast User Switching (FUS). Windows Vista Starter Edition is analogous to XP Starter Edition. This version will only be sold in emerging markets.

Windows Vista Starter Edition is lacking a number of unique features found in most of the other Vista product editions. There is no Aero user interface, for example, and no support for Castle-based networking. Other missing features include DVD Authoring, gaming common controller support, and image editing with enhanced touchup.

The marketing message: For beginner computer users in emerging markets who can only afford a low cost PC, Windows Vista Starter Edition provides a more affordable and easy introduction to personal computing because it is lower priced, tailored to the needs of beginner personal computer users, compatible with a wide range of Windows-based applications and devices, and tailored to each market.


Windows Vista Home Basic Edition
Paul Thurrott @ winsupersite.com wrote:
A simple version of Windows Vista that is aimed at single PC homes. Windows Vista Home Basic is the baseline version of Windows Vista, and the version that all other product editions will build from. It will include features such as Windows Firewall, Windows Security Center, secure wireless networking, parental controls, anti-spam/anti-virus/anti-spyware functionality, network map, Windows Search, Movie Maker, Photo Library, Windows Media Player, Outlook Express with RSS support, P2P Messenger, and more. Windows Vista Home Basic Edition is roughly analogous to Windows XP Home Edition. This version is aimed at general consumers, Windows 9x/XP Starter Edition upgraders, and price sensitive/first-time buyers. Like Starter Edition, Home Basic Edition will not support the new Aero user interface.

The marketing message: For mainstream Windows customers, Home Basic is where it all begins. Here, Microsoft will be pushing "peace of mind" and "performance," and will promise consumers a faster, more secure and reliable productivity experience. Home Basic Edition is secure by default and easy to keep secure. You can trust Windows with your most important tasks and data and complete everyday tasks faster.


Windows Vista Home Premium Edition
Paul Thurrott @ winsupersite.com wrote:
Whole home entertainment and personal productivity throughout the home and on the go. As a true superset of Home Basic, Windows Vista Home Premium Edition will include everything from Home Basic, as well as Media Center and Media Center Extender functionality (including Cable Card support), DVD video authoring and HDTV support, DVD ripping support (yes, you read that right), Tablet PC functionality, Mobility Center and other mobility and presentation features, auxiliary display support, P2P ad-hoc meeting capabilities, Wi-Fi auto-config and roaming, unified parental controls that work over multiple PCs, backup to network functionality, Internet File Sharing, Offline Folders, PC-to-PC sync, Sync Manager, and support for Quattro Home Server. Windows Vista Premium Edition is similar to XP Media Center Edition, except that it adds numerous other features and functionality, including Tablet PC support. My guess is that this will be the volume consumer offering in the Windows Vista timeframe (today, XP Pro is the dominant seller). This version is aimed at PC enthusiasts, multiple-PC homes, homes with kids, and notebook users.

The marketing message: Home Premium Edition turns it up a notch. In addition to the baseline functionality offered in Home Basic, this version focuses on such things as integrated entertainment (movies, memories, and more), mobility (media and productivity on the go), and connected living (connect with family, friends, and home). Home Premium Edition supplies whole-home entertainment and personal productivity throughout the home and on the go.


Windows Vista Professional Edition
Paul Thurrott @ winsupersite.com wrote:
A powerful, reliable and secure OS for businesses of all sizes. Windows Vista Pro Edition will include domain join and management functionality, compatibility with non-Microsoft networking protocols (Netware, SNMP, etc.), Remote Desktop, Microsoft Windows Web Server, and Encrypted File System (EFS). Additionally, Pro Standard will include Tablet PC functionality. Windows Vista Pro is roughly analogous to XP Pro today. This version is aimed at business decision makers and IT managers and generalists.

The marketing message: Vista Pro is a powerful, reliable, and secure operating system. It helps PC users be more effective at work and offers improved connectivity and access to information, so that companies can realize better return on their IT investment.


Windows Vista Small Business Edition
Paul Thurrott @ winsupersite.com wrote:
Designed for small businesses without IT staff. Small Business Edition is a superset of Vista Pro Standard Edition, and includes the following unique features: Backup and Shadow Copy support, Castle and server-join networking, and PC fax and scanning utility. Additionally, Microsoft is looking at including a number of other features, many of which might be cut: These include Small Business Edition guided tour, pre-paid access to the Windows Live! Small Business or Microsoft Office Live! subscription services, Multi-PC Health (a managed version of Microsoft One Care Live), and membership in the Microsoft Small Business Club online service. Microsoft will offer a Step-Up program for Small Business Edition that will allow customers to upgrade to Windows Vista Enterprise Edition (see below) or Windows Vista Ultimate Edition (see below) at a reduced cost. This SKU is new to Windows Vista; there is no XP Small Business Edition. This version is aimed at small business owners and managers.

The marketing message: Small Business Edition provides smooth operation even for those businesses without an IT staff. It is the operating system designed to help small businesses start, grow and thrive.


Windows Vista Enterprise Edition
Paul Thurrott @ winsupersite.com wrote:
Optimized for the enterprise, this version will be a true superset of Windows Vista Pro Edition. It will also include unique features such as Virtual PC, the multi-language user interface (MUI), and the Secure Startup/full volume encryption security technologies ("Cornerstone"). There is no analogous XP version for this product. This version is aimed at business decision makers, IT managers and decision makers, and information workers/general business users. Enterprise Edition will be offered exclusively through Software Assurance.

The marketing message: Enterprise Edition provides an advanced application compatibility solution that will be crucial to many large business users, can be deployed to multiple language locales using a single image, and provides Secure Startup functionality for the ultimate in security on the go. It is the client OS that is optimized for the enterprise. Enterprise Edition reduces IT cost and complexity by providing tools that protect company data, reduce the number of required disk images, and ensure the compatibility of legacy applications.


Windows Vista Ultimate Edition
Paul Thurrott @ winsupersite.com wrote:
The best operating system ever offered for a personal PC, optimized for the individual. Windows Vista Ultimate Edition is a superset of both Vista Home Premium and Vista Pro Edition, so it includes all of the features of both of those product versions, plus adds Game Performance Tweaker with integrated gaming experiences, a Podcast creation utility (under consideration, may be cut from product), and online "Club" services (exclusive access to music, movies, services and preferred customer care) and other offerings (also under consideration, may be cut from product). Microsoft is still investigating how to position its most impressive Windows release yet, and is looking into offering Ultimate Edition owners such services as extended A1 subscriptions, free music downloads, free movie downloads, Online Spotlight and entertainment software, preferred product support, and custom themes. There is nothing like Vista Ultimate Edition today. This version is aimed at high-end PC users and technology influencers, gamers, digital media enthusiasts, and students.

The marketing message: Ultimate Edition is the "no compromises" version of Windows Vista. It provides the best performance, most secure and complete connection to the office, and is optimized for the individual. Everything you need for work or fun is included. It is the best operating system ever offered for the personal PC.


N Editions
Paul Thurrott @ winsupersite.com wrote:
Finally, I should note that Microsoft is planning to offer so-called N Editions of Windows Vista for the European market, in order to meet the requirements of an antitrust ruling there. Windows Vista N Editions--Home Edition N and Professional Edition N--will mirror the Home Basic and Professional Editions of Windows Vista, respectively, but will not include Windows Media Player and other media-related functionality.


I would like you to go to the site and se his feature breakdown list for each versions. (I would have loved to post it to but then phpBB dosent have anything to post tables)
The link: http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_editions.asp

After all this its Ulitimate Edition that needed to be bought. Plust will also not have any activation (mentioned in the feature breakdown table on the site), so its a boon for any one & everyone who want to get it.
n0obie4life
Bondings @ http://frihost.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6378 wrote:
You also need to give your own opinion about it.


Please read the rules.
babumuchhala
babumuchhala wrote:
I would like you to go to the site and se his feature breakdown list for each versions. (I would have loved to post it to but then phpBB dosent have anything to post tables)
The link: http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_editions.asp

After all this its Ulitimate Edition that needed to be bought. Plust will also not have any activation (mentioned in the feature breakdown table on the site), so its a boon for any one & everyone who want to get it.
So what is this. Its my Opinion. Especially the Second paragraph Eh?
Kynoo
As my teacher says, Windows always looks like Mac OS, but they are always a bit late.
Maybe it would be a good version, but I'll keep XP. The big problem is that Microsoft doesn't often let us having choice concerning the software.
donj
I also stay with XP. And of course with Linux Wink
adwya
i didnt know it before
i'd like to try it
heavyx
Windows is a shit..linux is best but the compatiblity with other software is not that good
jongoldsz
I completely agree with you. I have been using it for a year already.
valay5
I've lost all hope in Windows and Microsoft..but Vista seems a bit interesting.
n0obie4life
Stickied, Made official.

All other vista threads will be locked.
dcshoes23
I have a MSDN subscription also, and installed it on my machine, it ran pretty good and looked alright, except one day i tried to boot it and it just would go to a black screen and i tried the recovery mode on the installation cd and it didn't help at all. I also hope that by the time it comes out it looks a lot less like xp and a lot more improvements on th gui, i personally like all that fancy crap Very Happy

Looking forward to its retail release Very Happy
Rhysige
Im not looking to far forward to Vista... I heard they are releasing 7!!! versions of it... its crazy as if XP doesnt have enough Vista is set to have 4 Home Editions and 3 Bussiness orientated Editions.
Ive seen some of the software so far it has some interesting aspects for sure but... not sure if im anxious to see it released.
Xcelerate
I like some of the things in Linux and Mac better than Windows, but I'll probably always stick with Windows, mainly because I've been using it all my life and am comfortable with it, and also the software I use doesn't come on Linux or Mac (yet).
SBrian
babumuchhala wrote:
For all those wondering about what all the different versions will have here's a description fro Paul Thurrott's winsupersite.com

Windows Vista Starter Edition
Paul Thurrott @ winsupersite.com wrote:
Aimed at beginner computer users in emerging markets who can only afford a low cost PC. As with the XP version, Windows Vista Starter Edition is a subset of Home Edition, and will ship in a 32-bit version only (no 64-bit x64 version). Starter Edition will allow only three applications (and/or three windows) to run simultaneously, will provide Internet connectivity but not incoming network communications, and will not provide for logon passwords or Fast User Switching (FUS). Windows Vista Starter Edition is analogous to XP Starter Edition. This version will only be sold in emerging markets.

Windows Vista Starter Edition is lacking a number of unique features found in most of the other Vista product editions. There is no Aero user interface, for example, and no support for Castle-based networking. Other missing features include DVD Authoring, gaming common controller support, and image editing with enhanced touchup.

The marketing message: For beginner computer users in emerging markets who can only afford a low cost PC, Windows Vista Starter Edition provides a more affordable and easy introduction to personal computing because it is lower priced, tailored to the needs of beginner personal computer users, compatible with a wide range of Windows-based applications and devices, and tailored to each market.


Windows Vista Home Basic Edition
Paul Thurrott @ winsupersite.com wrote:
A simple version of Windows Vista that is aimed at single PC homes. Windows Vista Home Basic is the baseline version of Windows Vista, and the version that all other product editions will build from. It will include features such as Windows Firewall, Windows Security Center, secure wireless networking, parental controls, anti-spam/anti-virus/anti-spyware functionality, network map, Windows Search, Movie Maker, Photo Library, Windows Media Player, Outlook Express with RSS support, P2P Messenger, and more. Windows Vista Home Basic Edition is roughly analogous to Windows XP Home Edition. This version is aimed at general consumers, Windows 9x/XP Starter Edition upgraders, and price sensitive/first-time buyers. Like Starter Edition, Home Basic Edition will not support the new Aero user interface.

The marketing message: For mainstream Windows customers, Home Basic is where it all begins. Here, Microsoft will be pushing "peace of mind" and "performance," and will promise consumers a faster, more secure and reliable productivity experience. Home Basic Edition is secure by default and easy to keep secure. You can trust Windows with your most important tasks and data and complete everyday tasks faster.


Windows Vista Home Premium Edition
Paul Thurrott @ winsupersite.com wrote:
Whole home entertainment and personal productivity throughout the home and on the go. As a true superset of Home Basic, Windows Vista Home Premium Edition will include everything from Home Basic, as well as Media Center and Media Center Extender functionality (including Cable Card support), DVD video authoring and HDTV support, DVD ripping support (yes, you read that right), Tablet PC functionality, Mobility Center and other mobility and presentation features, auxiliary display support, P2P ad-hoc meeting capabilities, Wi-Fi auto-config and roaming, unified parental controls that work over multiple PCs, backup to network functionality, Internet File Sharing, Offline Folders, PC-to-PC sync, Sync Manager, and support for Quattro Home Server. Windows Vista Premium Edition is similar to XP Media Center Edition, except that it adds numerous other features and functionality, including Tablet PC support. My guess is that this will be the volume consumer offering in the Windows Vista timeframe (today, XP Pro is the dominant seller). This version is aimed at PC enthusiasts, multiple-PC homes, homes with kids, and notebook users.

The marketing message: Home Premium Edition turns it up a notch. In addition to the baseline functionality offered in Home Basic, this version focuses on such things as integrated entertainment (movies, memories, and more), mobility (media and productivity on the go), and connected living (connect with family, friends, and home). Home Premium Edition supplies whole-home entertainment and personal productivity throughout the home and on the go.


Windows Vista Professional Edition
Paul Thurrott @ winsupersite.com wrote:
A powerful, reliable and secure OS for businesses of all sizes. Windows Vista Pro Edition will include domain join and management functionality, compatibility with non-Microsoft networking protocols (Netware, SNMP, etc.), Remote Desktop, Microsoft Windows Web Server, and Encrypted File System (EFS). Additionally, Pro Standard will include Tablet PC functionality. Windows Vista Pro is roughly analogous to XP Pro today. This version is aimed at business decision makers and IT managers and generalists.

The marketing message: Vista Pro is a powerful, reliable, and secure operating system. It helps PC users be more effective at work and offers improved connectivity and access to information, so that companies can realize better return on their IT investment.


Windows Vista Small Business Edition
Paul Thurrott @ winsupersite.com wrote:
Designed for small businesses without IT staff. Small Business Edition is a superset of Vista Pro Standard Edition, and includes the following unique features: Backup and Shadow Copy support, Castle and server-join networking, and PC fax and scanning utility. Additionally, Microsoft is looking at including a number of other features, many of which might be cut: These include Small Business Edition guided tour, pre-paid access to the Windows Live! Small Business or Microsoft Office Live! subscription services, Multi-PC Health (a managed version of Microsoft One Care Live), and membership in the Microsoft Small Business Club online service. Microsoft will offer a Step-Up program for Small Business Edition that will allow customers to upgrade to Windows Vista Enterprise Edition (see below) or Windows Vista Ultimate Edition (see below) at a reduced cost. This SKU is new to Windows Vista; there is no XP Small Business Edition. This version is aimed at small business owners and managers.

The marketing message: Small Business Edition provides smooth operation even for those businesses without an IT staff. It is the operating system designed to help small businesses start, grow and thrive.


Windows Vista Enterprise Edition
Paul Thurrott @ winsupersite.com wrote:
Optimized for the enterprise, this version will be a true superset of Windows Vista Pro Edition. It will also include unique features such as Virtual PC, the multi-language user interface (MUI), and the Secure Startup/full volume encryption security technologies ("Cornerstone"). There is no analogous XP version for this product. This version is aimed at business decision makers, IT managers and decision makers, and information workers/general business users. Enterprise Edition will be offered exclusively through Software Assurance.

The marketing message: Enterprise Edition provides an advanced application compatibility solution that will be crucial to many large business users, can be deployed to multiple language locales using a single image, and provides Secure Startup functionality for the ultimate in security on the go. It is the client OS that is optimized for the enterprise. Enterprise Edition reduces IT cost and complexity by providing tools that protect company data, reduce the number of required disk images, and ensure the compatibility of legacy applications.


Windows Vista Ultimate Edition
Paul Thurrott @ winsupersite.com wrote:
The best operating system ever offered for a personal PC, optimized for the individual. Windows Vista Ultimate Edition is a superset of both Vista Home Premium and Vista Pro Edition, so it includes all of the features of both of those product versions, plus adds Game Performance Tweaker with integrated gaming experiences, a Podcast creation utility (under consideration, may be cut from product), and online "Club" services (exclusive access to music, movies, services and preferred customer care) and other offerings (also under consideration, may be cut from product). Microsoft is still investigating how to position its most impressive Windows release yet, and is looking into offering Ultimate Edition owners such services as extended A1 subscriptions, free music downloads, free movie downloads, Online Spotlight and entertainment software, preferred product support, and custom themes. There is nothing like Vista Ultimate Edition today. This version is aimed at high-end PC users and technology influencers, gamers, digital media enthusiasts, and students.

The marketing message: Ultimate Edition is the "no compromises" version of Windows Vista. It provides the best performance, most secure and complete connection to the office, and is optimized for the individual. Everything you need for work or fun is included. It is the best operating system ever offered for the personal PC.


N Editions
Paul Thurrott @ winsupersite.com wrote:
Finally, I should note that Microsoft is planning to offer so-called N Editions of Windows Vista for the European market, in order to meet the requirements of an antitrust ruling there. Windows Vista N Editions--Home Edition N and Professional Edition N--will mirror the Home Basic and Professional Editions of Windows Vista, respectively, but will not include Windows Media Player and other media-related functionality.


I would like you to go to the site and se his feature breakdown list for each versions. (I would have loved to post it to but then phpBB dosent have anything to post tables)
The link: http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_editions.asp

After all this its Ulitimate Edition that needed to be bought. Plust will also not have any activation (mentioned in the feature breakdown table on the site), so its a boon for any one & everyone who want to get it.



And what is the differince ? In fact?? The same as XP Pro and Home. In fact there are SOME differenties!!! not much!
picsite
8 diff versions = more money for them....if they were looking out for the consumer they would release one ultimate version and you could choose which one you wanted to install from that one main version
hughstephens
See, from what I understand, the major upgrade that was coming through on windows Vista was a new filesystem, dubbed WinFS. This was going to be the selling point. But somewhere along the road Microsoft has dumped this idea, and are instead saying that it will be included in a later operating system.

It really annoys me. All windows Vista is now is some new features that CAN be done without it and, of course, a very cool-looking desktop. But still, is that worth having to buy a very expensive new computer for?
bbjai20
What is it so interesting to go over Vi$ta?

Besides it's a micro$oft marketing strategy, it will make another new buggie OS to users fight for hackerz, virus, and even online registration of ms-products (how are u sure no-personal-information-send-to)

I feel I'll do more installation of antivirus, antispam, antihack, antispyware, and etc to the new window$ system.

just my anti-mirco$oft opinion. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
Raijenki
^^, Windows Vista probably will be cool XD...
But i heard rumors about "they" are making a Virus to Win. Vista ^^, you can download WV by .torrent ^^
Saido
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Sad
So Y can't use vista on a AMD Athlon 2400mhz and 20gb?
What kind of stupid Idea is that?
So everyone who wants to use Windows Vista has to have the newest and most expensive computer?
donj
NO, no not 8, but 20 Vista versions:

Windows Vista Starter
Windows Vista Home Basic
Windows Vista Home Premium
Windows Vista Ultimate
Windows Vista Pro Standard/SB
Longhorn Enterprise Server (ADS)
Longhorn Enterprise Server - IA64
Longhorn Standard Server
Longhorn Datacenter Server
Windows Vista Pro Std/SB/Ent - VL Binding Service
Windows Vista Pro Std/SB/Ent - VLGeneric
Windows Vista Pro Std/SB/Ent - DMAK
Windows Vista Starter Digital Boost - OEM
Windows Vista Home Basic - OEM
Windows Vista Home Premium - OEM
Windows Vista Ultimate - OEM
Windows Vista Pro Standard/SB - OEM
Longhorn Enterprise Server - OEM
Windows Vista Home Basic N
Windows Vista Pro Standard N

http://bink.nu/Article5025.bink
Ravi
So Vista has a same Xp like Edition relase like Starter Edition, as MS now launched XP starter edition for XP. same fro Vista from beginning..
hofer
The more versions they have, more money they´ll get.
dan751
I'd love to get Vista. But I don't have it.Sad
valay5
That's pretty interesting.

I'll be content when it's finally released. Razz
samvig
I think this discussion is a waste of time....
When something is still in its development stages... how can u tell whether it will be good or not,....

its like tasting an unbaked cake and then asking ppl how u like it ....
Kd527
Well, it's Microsoft, so it probably won't be good.
dustout
cant wait...2006 is to far away
rootC
I have to admit, I use Windows. I'm not a fan of Microsoft, but I can't be against them. However, I'm certainly not buying Vista. Remember Windows ME. Remember how it was exactly like Windows 98. Same applies here: if(Windows XP == Windows Vista){it probably isn't worth it}.
Sandcrawler
Kd527 wrote:
Well, it's Microsoft, so it probably won't be good.
You got that right...look at XP Home... they just keep giving us crap...and making us download 80 meg patches of stuff they left out... Vista looks liek somebody just went in there played with some images and stuff and screw a few more things up and called it a new one... I want to see them do something about Viruses... there are a ton of them just for windows...and most of them affect windows 3.1 - newest ... thats BS least make the hackers work to get viruses everywere...if it wasn't for having to run Windows to do stuff i would be on SuSe (Linux) all the time...
cubbox
rootC wrote:
I have to admit, I use Windows. I'm not a fan of Microsoft, but I can't be against them. However, I'm certainly not buying Vista. Remember Windows ME. Remember how it was exactly like Windows 98. Same applies here: if(Windows XP == Windows Vista){it probably isn't worth it}.


same.. i wont be buying it for a few reasons, mainly because of hte high security it has built in which apparently stops any illegal downloading and other stuff (i'm not saying i download stuff illegally though)

and mac os x (or maybe a newer version) will be running on x86 properly by then so i'll have that.. at least that would mean a computer that i wouldnt have to reformat every 3 months

Very Happy
ammonkc
I tried out Vista Beta 1 for a few weeks and I was not happy with it at all. I thought it was an even less stable xp wrapped in a new interface. and xp was what forced me to switch to apple about a year ago. I was hoping that things would be different this time cause i heard some good initial reviews of vista. everything that I hated about Vista beta 1 was mostly due to it being a beta. but it still felt like I was in xp with a skin on it. I hear that MS is changing their whole development model and focusing on a more solid kernel. hopefully this turns out better than their last 2 os's did.
blu3bird
its the developement culture of ms. .. unless they change their mental models ... all their products will be of the same quality..
ammonkc
yeah, them admitting to the problem with the last couple of windows version originating from their development model is a huge step. their so might turn out to be a lot more solid and stable if they get back to focusing on the fundamentals. I was afraid that they were going to just plug some holes in xp, add a few features and call it vista. for a while I was hearing that longhorn would basically be a xp sp3.
ammonkc
I've already gone back to xp sp2 but when I was trying out vista beta 1 I couldn't even find the sidebar feature. from what I've read it sounds like Apple's dashboard widgets. but I couldn't even find it at all. does anyone know how to activate the sidebar in vista beta 1? I was really curious to see how well those worked. is that not included in beta 1? or did I miss that part on the installation?
CCR
Just a side note for all you thinking about going to windows vista. Look at microsofts anti pirate software they have added into vista. ( the full version). The anti pirate software will nto allow you to burn and dvd's or cd's or any other media that you do not own the copyright own. That means not more backing up DVD's to keep orgianl from getting messed up. Or if you liek me you copy your cd's that you use in the car just in case the get stole or scratched. Well with the new Anti private software theis will come to an end. Just something for you to think about before you go installing a new OS
sneolife
OK, so, when is this going to make it out into the wild? Do I have to wait for iLife '06 and OS 10.5? I'm getting a brand new (previous generation) iMac G5 this week and would love to add FrontRow to it to go along with Airport Express...
sneolife
Whoa. I don't know why, but I got really excited when I saw this. Is there any chance any of you could give me a copy of Front Row? Do you honestly think that my iMac G4 700 can handle it? I don't really care if it can or not, I'll just do it for the enormous pleasure in it.
sneolife
I just tried, works great on a new iBook 12inches. A bit slow on the video. Wanna hear something exciting? .. go to http://labs.divx.com/ and install the divx fusion codec beta 3 for mac (it now works with quicktime 7). Well I can confirm that FrontRow plays Divx in my iBook, most of them prefectly ... only for some reason my Firefly divx doesn't have sound.

Tomorrow my ibook to S-video monster cable arrives. This plus my palm with salling clicker ... and you have a great media player.
sneolife
This is good to see, but when will we be able to buy it. I think January Mac world? will be fun, and expensive.

If the New Mac mini comes out with 1.5 G4 and 64 video and more RAM, I hope it will be able to play the Quicktime HD trailers. If it can do that then Divx HD, Nero HD and .TS files should be OK too.

Man he has one nice set-up, that video looked good on that what 80 - 100 inch screen. And the files H.264, 640 x 360 AAC, Not bad. Maybe itunes video downloads future upgrade here.

MAC MINI to the Living room!!!!
ammonkc
you can download it through bitTorrent. its really smooth. and if you have 10.4.3 then the install is really simple (not that its not simple anyway, just a few less steps).
devroom
its a stupid update of xp. its has a couple of small updates and thats all. and you cant put it on an older computer. thats more stupid. i would say: get linux, buy or 'hack' wine and play all the games and other programs with Wine (u can play applications for windows run in it).
Vista has by the way a linux look and features that are already in linux. windows is just a new os based on xp and a lot of things from linux
bananaphone
Microsoft plans two general Vista edition categories, which map closely to the two that exist today for Windows XP (XP Home Edition, which includes XP Starter, Home, and Media Center Editions, and XP Professional Edition, which includes XP Pro, Pro x64, and Tablet PC editions). Vista will feature two categories: Home and Business. In the Home category, Microsoft will create four product editions: Vista Starter Edition, Vista Home Basic Edition, Vista Home Premium Edition, and Vista Ultimate Edition (previously known as the "Uber" Edition). The Business category will feature three editions: Vista Small Business Edition, Vista Professional Edition, and Vista Enterprise Edition.
Kyle Katarn
I've tried it, and I've decided that unless they make some MAJOR changes, I'm gonna stay with linux. I have used MS for years, and still do on some of my machines, but I'm getting tired of security flaws. Perhaps when Blackcomb comes out in 2011(?) I'll get it. But I did try windows Vista just to say I did. I can honestly say I have used every Windows system ever released, and some that weren't. Has anyone here ever heard of Neptune? Ever wonder why MS didn't make a 2k home edition? Well they did. But they never finished it. It's interesting though, because it includes many of the XP features.

PS: Please pardon my rambling, I'm tired. (60 hours since last slept)
ammonkc
What was Neptune? never heard of that one. I actually thought that 2000 was a lot more stable than xp. I just really hate xp. xp has been nothing but headaches for me.
Cridiron
I have to say that I was not very impressed with the beta version of Windows Vista. It seemed very confusing. I sure hope they fix it quite a bit before releasing it.
i.am.Ben
Shocked
i just wanna know how to join the MSDN???
GrimReaper77
I don't want to sound like a fanboy, but we'll all probably end up upgrading to Vista just as we've eventually made the move to XP. Surely Micro$oft will force Win2K and XP users to make the upgrade by offering Vista-only upgrades, dropping support etc.

I'm hoping Vista 64 will have better driver support by the time its released! XP 64 is the worst for driver availability!
manas
Just like Microsft ended support for Win98 it will do so for WinXP then eventually you will have to move to Vista.
tony
Defsanguje wrote:
yep, its still beta. vista < XP < 98 Smile


me < vista < 98 < 98se < xp < osx < 2000 < linux
Ping
I just recently got into the Vista/IE7 beta actually and in actual fact i am pretty disapointed.
Sure the beta looks mighty sleek etc but it is (as you may know) horribly buggy.
I find i never use it anymore and stick to other betas to pass my time instead Razz

Yet i still think MSFT is an awesome corp
ammonkc
I was the same way. I was actually pretty excited about the vista beta 1 being released. I hear some good things about it when it was first released....but I was pretty dissapointed when I started using it. I ended up getting rid of it after about three weeks of trying it out.
Ping
i.am.Ben wrote:
Shocked
i just wanna know how to join the MSDN???


Simple www.msdn.com if u have the money that is. MSDN is not free it costs Razz

Quote:
I was the same way. I was actually pretty excited about the vista beta 1 being released. I hear some good things about it when it was first released....but I was pretty dissapointed when I started using it. I ended up getting rid of it after about three weeks of trying it out.


you have hit the nailo on the head!
hodgenpodg
argh i really dont wanna have to upgrade my os again I'm fairly happy with xp and it runs great rigth now so I dont want another piece of windows junk to come out and ruin everything

I predict it will be a piece of junk just like all the other versions until about a year later when its all patched up
riv
I see there's some other people on this fourm that uses and likes Macs.
I read the new features of Windoze Vista, and I saw the screenshots that they've released.
My blood is boiling, all right. It's amazing how the people at Macro$oft can "think" of all those things, that happen to already be on the Mac.

Virtual Folders -> Smart Folders
Gadets -> Widgets
IE 7 -> Appears to be the long lost cousin of Safari
The whole... What did they call them again? -> Reminds me of Aqua...
The intergrated search bar?
I'm sure the list would go on.

I don't have anything against Microsoft (laaaugh... I really don't!), although they need to think of something innovative for once. All of those new features are nothing new. 64bit prosessor, memery hog, a new look. Woohoo... You know what, make your operating system exactly like the Mac, and I would be using Windows right now, instead of being in the OS war. And as for you Linux people, some people use Windows and Macs because they are afraid of "breaking" their computers, as Linux isn't very user-friendly. I had both OSX and Linux installed for a while, but I gave up as I can't even get it to recognize my Airport Express. And what's a computer without internet? I couldn't keep the internet cable connected all the time, especially because I hace an iBook and I carry it around with me.

By the way, if this isn't long enough already, the person who said that he/she won't switch to OSX because there wasn't a Mac version of the applications he/she uses, there is a lot of other software simalar to almost every Windows applications.

I hope all of that is useful in some way, and keep in mind that (almost) all of this is just my opinion.

Riv
THE11thROCK™
The new features of vista are pretty superb. Don't get me wrong, I support open-source OSes. SuSE is my favorite. Yet, when it comes to windows, it's a generally user-friendly OS that even your grandma can use. I'll wait for the stable release of Vista. Who knows, microsoft may have more surprises hidden in their hats.
Raijenki
Lol, Windows Vista will have a good interface, but it will be a lot vunerable =P
nakamaru
I am a huge windows fan but I have to admit that Vista just looks like a pathetic attempt to copy Apple and it looks like they did a fairly bad job at it too.
tony
nakamaru wrote:
I am a huge windows fan but I have to admit that Vista just looks like a pathetic attempt to copy Apple and it looks like they did a fairly bad job at it too.


definately. and the saddest part is osx is a copy of the linux gui!

hey - what do people know about the avalon software vista will come with?
Raijenki
i've used Windows Vista, and it's gived so bug lol
lyndonray
I think it's just another case of Vole being... well...Vole. They spend so much time and money creating hype about nothing. Yeah there will probably be one improvement and a reorganised GUI! But apart from that we will spend a lot of money on something that crashes if don't greet it as you switch it on!! But I try to be an optimist, so hey, maybe Vista WILL be the best thing since Tekken!
gingermagician
Windows Vista looks disgusting!! I hated the childish look of XP, though you are forced to use it if you want up-to-date software to run. They've started looking into semi-transparent windows too... Innovative (Because we havn't seen that yet on the Mac OS X!), also, it's already been done on Linux too.

It'll be funny to see how many virus alerts will be issued by Microsoft over the months after it's release with the amount of security holes that are left open "by accident". Just make sure that you're running firefox instead of IE7 when it comes round and you might save a bit of money on Virus software, that is if you decide to waste money buying Windows Vista in the first place...

GingerMagician
Penna_ha
i like the wallpaper i have seen in screenshots. works really good with the black-transparent look. im using the same wallpaper on my site : D
djpalmer93
hi,

i dont think Vista is very good compared to xp, although its still in BETA1.
Mac OS X Tiger is far more Feature filled and user friendly and you dont have to have loads of power to use it like vista does. Microsoft in my opinion isnt doing very well at the moment apart from them releasing XBox 360. I recommend getting an apple mac as they are far more interesting and clean and simple! have a look at the iMac G5 its amazing! www.apple.com/imac . Apple Macs will be even better once the new intel ones are out! Wink
tfarrell67
Good ol' Billy Gates & Stevie Balmer...
Some things never change. Maybe one day Microsoft will come up with an original idea, I mean besides their nutty licensing schemes and drm.

If you think Vista is cool (sad for you) check Sun's Looking Glass Project...

http://www.sun.com/software/looking_glass/

Now thats an OS...

Unfortunately it doesn't look like they've made much progress toward a release date in the past two years.

T. Farrell
.::idealist::.
Windows Vista ?

Microsoft is a thief ! Razz

They have stolen many applications and features from Linux ! Razz

Did you see ?

Finally, Microsoft has realized that Linux is very good operating system and so they have planned to create a OS with a special COOOOL name like Vista... Razz
engalex
in the internet found converter from xp to vista Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
lisim
Raijenki wrote:
i've used Windows Vista, and it's gived so bug lol


its buggy becuase its still being made
vignesh_natraj
I saw the screenshot posted in one locked topic i don't think its an official release.because Microsoft will never give in to Firefox and replace IE with Firefox. Everybody is expecting IE 7 with vista.
vignesh_natraj
engalex wrote:
in the internet found converter from xp to vista Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

those are just themes,welcome screen and not the interface
vignesh_natraj
Raijenki wrote:
Lol, Windows Vista will have a good interface, but it will be a lot vunerable =P

Windows is never vulnerable.Also i want to know wheather LongHorn and vista are same ie codenames
duckling
doomachine2000 wrote:
...I thought it was actually quite sad.....it still has some errors...


it's still beta Very Happy can it be the reason Razz

I saw the videos, articles and pictures about it, and as I seen the interface of XP and Vista are nearly same Very Happy

but it has got lots of pluses too Smile

I'm not sure but as I know it will only run on 64bit PC's Sad
tanenyi
Windows Vista was originally codenamed Longhorn. This version of windows would integrate into their new security techs (www.live.com) think microsoft anti-spyware and will also require the use of broadband. This new software would have an embedded computer chip which will prevent piracy of any sort. Like pirated DVDs CDs P2P etc. But it is in the beta version so it is very unstable. New features are the virtual folders and windows media player(like itunes) and also the side bar which displays analog clock wmp msn msg email weather info etc. It is suppose to run on 64 bit editon processors but 32 bit is ok if u have 2.8ghz 512 ram n 40 gb hdd. Hope this is useful
silliman
Sup Peeps,

I like playing around with Mac, XP, Linux, etc... Just love to see how far the technology goes (or doesn't go if it crashes lol ). Yet, I'm not a programer or a beta tester.

Does anyone know how I can get my hands on a copy of Vista? I have a spare computer I don't mind buggering up. Laughing

Thanks,

Mark
garvalf4
VISTA stands for virus, infection (or instability), spyware, trojan and adware... Smile
grantmaster
Got this little 450mhz 256RAM Dell computer that was given to me in an upgrade. Put Debian Linux on it. Ive got Word Processing, Number Crunching, Database, E-mail, Graphics, Internet, Diagramming, Games, Printing, DTP.

All free!

It has never crashed, and has been running for over three hundred days non-stop, without ever an error message or re-start.

No viruses, no spyware, no worms, phishing, malware, BUGS, UPDATES, bugs in the updates...

go ahead, spend your money on Vista, (2$ IS TOO MUCH TO SPEND ON A Microsoft product). I'll just get some real work done, without wasting a bunch of time FIXING my computer!
Rocky3478
Personally, Vista will be interesting. If they do rebuild the core of the OS from the ground up, then it might be worthwhile to upgrade. But, I'm really disappointed in Microsoft. Most of the "new" technology and stuff in Vista is just copied off of Apple's OS X.
lukeropro
What's the point of trying out Vista? XP Pro is the perfect OS for me right now so i think I'll be sticking to it until the final version of Vista has come out.
Scimus
Firstly, Vista already has a 1000 bugs. But that is the what beta's are for right.Also Windows Vista has a long way to go.

I suggest we dont rush into it because, this is exactly the steps that XP followed before it got stable,

Alpha's and beta's,
pre-realease version,
Retail version,
Xp home,
Service pack -1a
-1b
XP Pro
Service pack -2.

Media-center -2005.

And believe me, No windows OS is stable till it reaches atleast Service pack-2.
cjtreid
I can't wait for Vista

I am currently using XP, and find it to be a good OS, but it has many flaws - it keeps crashing all the time, even though my PC has pretty high specs.

Wish I could get Vista Beta Crying or Very sad
flashmoto
I like the name longhorn more then vista.
silliman
With a name like LongHorn, it sounds like we’re about to be gored.

If 1.2 billion Chinese choose Linux, that will also turn many computer users on the fense to switch to Linux too (i.e., greater service, more software written for Linux, more choice at the computer superstores, etc.)

LongHorn could become a shorthorn.
Scanner771
I have a copy of Vista on one of my computers and it lags the computer is a 2.16 GHz And has 1GB of ram And it just dose not like it. It is just a moded vershion of Xp and they have overloaded it with like button effects, Its not that grate currently.
bluefossil
rumors said there will be eight different version of Vista when it is released. The eight are:

Windows Vista Starter
Windows Vista Home Basic
Windows Vista Home Premium
Windows Vista Business Basic
Windows Vista Business Premium
Windows Vista Corporate Basic
Windows Vista Corporate Premium
Windows Vista Ultimate

Which one will you get?
silliman
bluefossil wrote:
rumors said there will be eight different version of Vista when it is released. The eight are:

Windows Vista Starter
Windows Vista Home Basic
Windows Vista Home Premium
Windows Vista Business Basic
Windows Vista Business Premium
Windows Vista Corporate Basic
Windows Vista Corporate Premium
Windows Vista Ultimate

Which one will you get?


Hi Bluefossil,

Hard question to answer. Notwithstanding, one none negotiable feature is the ability to use “remote desktop connection.” I know that with XP Home edition, one cannot log on from another remote XP computer. However, if you have the XP Professional edition, then another XP computer can access “remote desk connection.” So… whichever edition offers that functionality, then for me that’s the starting point for purchase.

Say pendants and prognosticators,

When is Microsoft reporting the release of Vista?

Last question... I really love my TREO 650 cell phone (Palm and handspring OS). The new TREO 700 sports the Windows CE operating system. When will cell phone users be able to access the full functionality of there home desktop computer via a “remote desktop connection” from there cell phone.

OH… I want it all! And yesterday !!!
Scanner771
if you have SSE2 and SSE3 Tiger X86 All the way it is so sweet it runs on my PC I have it on a duel boot on my PC. I also have two macs it is cool. Very Happy
Zuwiki
It's smeggin' Windows people!!!

WTF? Could it ever be good?
zorindart
Robert Fripp was on the Microsoft campus a few weeks back. He's the famous guitarist and composer, known for his founding role in the band King Crimson.
So, what was he doing on campus? Recording the various sounds we'll all hear in Windows Vista.
umair_9001
Man its a good os..but too much configs man..Nice to see it has IP v6.. People hv the studied the v4 n nw this one..dont know how much time this thing will take to get nicely implemented...
silliman
Curious Seekers,

I stumbled onto a pretty good layman’s explanation) of what Windows Vista is supposed to do (if it lives up to it’s claims) on Answers.com.

In order to economize on space, I’ll refer you to the URL link below.

http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?method=4&dsid=1512&deid=1826340024&gwp=11&curtab=1512_1

Features that I find particularly interesting are: 1) Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF) graphics subsystem that supports 3D vector graphics, 2) XML Paper Specification (XPS) document format that provides a way for digital signatures and digital rights to be applied to documents, and 3) Windows Future Storage (WinFS) storage subsystem that uses relational database on top of the NTFS file system; thereby allowing users to combine heterogeneous data such as files, folders, e-mail and contacts into collections that can be viewed together.

Looks like license holders will have to call in to Microsoft and get a product code.

Humbug!
guissmo
rumors say you can plug it into your house and you can control the fans, air conditioning, tv, radio, etc? this may sound weird but...??
silvergaze
lol that is pretty false eh. how can it like pulg into our house system and start controling the fans and television. perhaps the source is quite irreliable. anyway even if it cant do these amazing funtions, there would be laptops specially made for vista i heard. vista allows this function of a second screen other then the main screen. its said to be that this second screen can access your email, powerpoint, listen to music even if the computer is shut down. yea i find thos very cool but it depends on whether one would want to spend the money on a laptop
hiimdave
I'm lookin' forward to dual booting this pretty soon. After seeing some screens of the new release, I am soooo tempted. Anyone have any suggestions?
Tingleby
My friend has Vista and he says it so much better that Xp but i would be hasty to go onto vista when it comes out.
{name here}
I'd just like to drop a comment on Vista: Limited User accounts will be standard. This means viruses will be capable in destorying the system under linited user accounts. That means you actually need to scan Windows with norton or mcafee now instead of just setting up an LU!! Evil or Very Mad
DarkAkira
I personally think Vista ia pretty, but it has way too may bugs for me to use right now. I was running the latest Beat version of the OS, and it sucked.

- Graphic settings made by the user were reset after every reboot
- System ran slowly
- Certain security features would not turn off when you turned them off, it would ignore the command
- Games ran at horrible frame rates, I was scoring 23fps in quake 3

I think vista has a long way to go before it can be realeased as a final. Right now it is just taking up space. And it is a pain to remove because of the new boot loader. There are alot of steps to go through in order to remove it from your system completely. It is not worth the time.
srikanthsonti
Vista - "pleasure view"

i thinks its only sticked to pleasure view other than that Vista is the OS that requires larger amounts for its resources to be handled. One finds the latest technologies used in this present OS

Arrow Areo Glass - The clarity of the user interface, which now sports a glass-like sheen

Arrow Avalon - Is a graphics subsystem that will help developers build next-generation applications with beautiful user interfaces

Arrow Indigo - Is a Web services architecture for providing secure, reliable, transacted messaging between applications and services, whether they reside on the same PC or on different machines, regardless of their physical location

Arrow Win FX - Is a relational database-based data storage engine that Microsoft is building on top of SQL Server 2005.

Arrow Metro - Is to Windows Vista as Adobe PDF is to Mac OS X.It's a device- and application-independent printing architecture that allows documents to retain their exact formatting in any application, and when printed

But fails to find the smooth running on low end PC's which is ultimately a bad effect for its market.

PC's loaded with powerful configuration:shock: can only withstand for Vista Performance.

As Microsoft the worlds software gaint has just thought of "bringing clarity to our world" but has forgotten of "bringing performance along with the clarity" Sad which ultimately effects its growth. though it has concentrated on the security issues these days they are some billions of softwares which provides powerful security with greater performance.

Finally the performance and security decides what is the best because these days one has no time to wait for even the things getting happend.

Arrow Latest News - " Microsoft plans to delay the release of next version Windows OS Windows Vista to next year that is mostly in Jan 2007"

this kind of things really shows their effects on its popularity. Any way hope changes (good for all) in this OS for its final version makes it once more the Worlds Best and Most Used Operating System.
moejoe
My boss downloaded the beta version of vista.
He had Major issues with the beta. His sound card refused to work with the version and he found it hard to install some stuff.

Cant wait for the final version to come out, he was talking about the 3d rotation of the desktop....well, im sure that'll come in handy when ur trying to watch 3 different type of porn.

Wasn't windows gonna release a longhorn version of Xp? Hmm, it was on a Australian Personal Computer mag...so, im not crazy. {my boss thinks so}.

I like the whole glassy look of vista, very sheek..lol, and the start button looks pretty cool, cnt wait for its arrival {damn some of my prmg myt not work with this OS...i think i'll keep XP for the mean while...}

Bye!
kiseki89
I found this article on vista from PC magazine singapore
bsnyder
What is the bigest new thing included with WIndows Vista that is not included in WIn XP? I have heard that it is basically the same and only improves security.
mOrpheuS
bsnyder wrote:
What is the bigest new thing included with WIndows Vista that is not included in WIn XP? I have heard that it is basically the same and only improves security.

Well, security is a big thing in itself, isn't it ?
It's one of the things that most people always seem to hold against Microsoft operating systems.

In addition, one can expect numerous other enhancements like optimisation for the powerful hardware of today, innovations in the user interface, a major kernel overhaul, improvements in file system, memory management and networking etc.

If you liked XP more than 98, you'll like Vista more than XP Wink
jenius_92000
Did you know that with Windows Vista they are releasing Windows Media Player 11? It's gonna be so sick!!!
firmawao
I'm just hoping that Vista will be good, or at least better then Windows XP..
Apolytes
Anyone know if there are any web servers developed for windows vista, or a windows vista IIS release??

Side note, i think UAP is a bit overboard..if we wanted administrator accoutns to act as standard accounts wouldnt we simply make them standard accounts?
faker
wow, i wasn't expecting microsoft to release such buggy OS, so far i've heard alot of positive things about Vista and really look forward to it
randomaccess
It's too late for a new operating system for microsoft. XPs been 4 years old. XP sucks so the chances are that vista sucks. I still cant wait for it. It might just be good
lordpe
Vista rocks!

It's the best ever, 2mill people got the beta/trial version Laughing
tk101
randomaccess wrote:
It's too late for a new operating system for microsoft. XPs been 4 years old. XP sucks so the chances are that vista sucks. I still cant wait for it. It might just be good


Gess what man. Your right thats why they recoded 60% the Vista OS again for the next build.
Bones
picsite wrote:
8 diff versions = more money for them....if they were looking out for the consumer they would release one ultimate version and you could choose which one you wanted to install from that one main version


I know this is an old post, but it makes no sense to me at all. How do more versions = more money for MS? Are you planning to buy multiple copies instead of just one? More versions = more choice for the consumer instead of having to shell out $500+ for the one and only ultimate version.
Soulfire
Did it get delayed? I went to Windows.com and it said the home edition release date was January 2007, business edition in November of 2006. But then someone told me that it was delayed.
Bones
Soulfire wrote:
Did it get delayed? I went to Windows.com and it said the home edition release date was January 2007, business edition in November of 2006. But then someone told me that it was delayed.


Yes it was delayed...Jan 2007 is now the expected release date, it was supposed to be 4th quarter 2006. I wouldn't be surprised to see it get pushed back even further though. Although I'd rather they postphone it till it's working well.
anthonygerbils
well in my view i think vista is pretty much good only for display as the icons are class but as it was said it is still beta

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where did it gets its name.
i have a notion but i would like to hear other peoples view on where it came from.
so please reply with your thoughts and answers and we will see where it came from once and for all.
thanks .

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Mod Note: Don't double-post.
Master-
Vista realy sux.

On build 5308 i couldnt even get my internet to work on it. Shocked

So i think i will stick for XP awhile.
anthonygerbils
why what happened to the internet and what browser did u use (firefox,opera,internet explorer) as i know people who r using that version and the internet works.
but does anyone know any thing about where they got the name from, as they DIDNT make it themselves.
wb.
thanks
dbzkid
there is supposed to be a new build in may
anthonygerbils
what is the new build called and what is ment to have been fixed or upgraded in it?
Kd527
A couple weeks ago I installed Vista. It reminds me so much of Mac OS X Tiger. I got my first application lock up in fifteen minutes. Still, though, Vista wasn't too bad. I most definately still prefer Mac.
Bones
The new linux XGL desktop has Windows and Mac both beat...hands down Smile
Though I still prefer Windows to Mac..mostly because I am a gamer and there just isnt near enough software support for Mac...at least in my area anyway.
Alie
Hey guys, can somebody tell me minimal requipments of this OS? (full version, not beta).
Just wanna test WGF2.0 and 'bla-bla-bla' Shader 2.0
As also, microsoft planning new software only for new OS... Buy or loose Laughing ....with requipments of a new hardware only....
Bones
MS hasent released any details on final system requirements yet. So far for beta it's 1.5GHz cpu and 512Mram..thats about the best yer gonna get for the next 6 months.

MS would be stupid to release final details about an OS that is 9mths away from final release, because if they decided to change something that had an effect on the system requirements, they wouldn't hear the end of the whining for 2 years.
anthonygerbils
the minium for this is way bigger than xp how uncool as there will now be less memory for important things Sad
Xeniczone
*clear throwt* screw windows and it's high requirements...

I don't see why the requirment are so high and why every one is freaken out.

OMG OMG WERE GOING TO NEED TO BUY 6000 DOLLARS COMPUTERS TO USE WINDOWS VISTA OMG OMG OMG

Geez you guys STFU.

Freaken retarts did it when Windows XP was coming out.

I got windows vista to run fine on a pentium 3 at 1ghz.
If I still had my pentium 2 I would put it on thier just you show you guys your WRONG.

Windows vista runs fine on a pentium 3 and windows xp runs fine on a pentium 2. So... get over it.

Thats all I have to say. Thank you.
Bones
I've tested Vista on a P3 with 1Ghz cpu and 256M ram and it didn't run well at all. oonce you throw some software on top of it, it bogs like hell. That's without tweaking the OS any..

High requirements? Any PC built within the last 2 years should meet the minimums..1.5Ghz cpu and 512M ram isnt exactly high..most games require more than that now.

You can install it on all the pc's you like to try to show ppl are wrong, but being able to install it, and being able to run it well are 2 different things..good luck with your P3 lol
Xeniczone
I didn't have a problem I used a pentium 3 933mhz 256mbs ram and the thing ran fine. I even played halo on it. Other then the crashing after 30 mins that happens anyway because of the stupid dead cpu I used thier wasn't a problem.
dreammedia
Whats the minimum mb video card required to run windows vista. Has microsoft released these details yet?
Bones
I would take a guess at probably 64M. I believe that it needs to support pixel shading 2.0 to be able to display the glass effects.
NjRocket
people are getting demo versions of Vista already? When does the final product release?
dreammedia
64 mb??/ thats too bad ... i prob wont be able to run it. but ill still try Smile
Yes some people are getting demo versions (I have a beta version).
It might be possible to run under 64 mb ... My old comp at 2 mb video card (not this one) runs windows XP Smile at 300 Mghz only ... --> and that too media centre (although the media centre wont start up)
Citizen Kane
G-SUS ... give it a break fellows. The whole Vista thong will probably full of security holes and other patchable stufff... they always find something wrong about the products MS delivers...

Why should a product that is build with only a couple of people be any better than an product being developed bij THOUSANDS of people (linux)??

If I can get my hands on a decent Linux distro (wil be probably Fedora/ Ark /Suse or Ubuntu, then I'll give Billyboy Gates the sack of his lifetime.

And so should you!
novisdesign
Windows Tiger, errr I mean Vista copies Mac OS X in every way. Everyone WILL switch to a Mac for stability, easy of use, and features.

Its going to happen. MS is going down.
-G S
a1computerrepairs
shr3dd wrote:
XP's final version is shitty, so why in the hell would you think a m$ alpha/beta would be good? lol


Well here's and answer for people who cant be bothered with windows. Buy a mac or use linux.

I love my XP and Vista beta installs and don't have a single problem. Maybe because I dont use bloatware like Norton which is total pants.
Citizen Kane
novisdesign wrote:
Windows Tiger, errr I mean Vista copies Mac OS X in every way. Everyone WILL switch to a Mac for stability, easy of use, and features.


?? So everybody will be using a single white box where the main board is integrated in the screen??? Not a chance. No interchangable hardware, nothing to configure... People always want to set themselves apart from others, so this is NOT going to happen with MAC. A good product indeed, but no... not the downfall of windows. Not even a free OS system.

Linux? probably... But only under a few secomstances:

- easier installs
- shorter learning curve
- even more free software

Otherwise everyone will just stick to windows. And they will, believe me. Piracy will still be an issue this way also. (also with MAC, but NOT with Linux)
mugglesquop
"We live in a digital world that is filled with more information, more things to do, and more ways to communicate with others than ever before.

Every day, millions of people around the globe rely on their Windows-based PCs to manage the increasing amounts of digital information in their lives. While the tools we use for managing this information are powerful and familiar, today's world requires more. You want your PC to adapt to you, so you can cut through all the clutter and focus on what's important to you.

Windows Vista brings clarity to your world, so you can more safely and easily accomplish everyday tasks and instantly find what you want on your PC. Explore entertainment, such as TV and music, on your Windows Vista-based PC like never before. And with Windows Vista, you'll more conveniently stay connected to the people who are important to you, from home or while on the go.

Windows Vista puts you in control of what you want to do."

Sounds like what XP was supposed to do. great.

-peace-
Citizen Kane
Bigger is not always better. MS is just trying to take advatange of new hardware being develloped all the time. That way people always have to update win.

Not here. Just a new kernel.
VX.Agent
Alie wrote:
Hey guys, can somebody tell me minimal requipments of this OS? (full version, not beta).
Just wanna test WGF2.0 and 'bla-bla-bla' Shader 2.0
As also, microsoft planning new software only for new OS... Buy or loose Laughing ....with requipments of a new hardware only....

Quote:
From Wikipedia:


System

Microsoft has not released final details of Windows Vista's hardware requirements; however, Microsoft has released some preliminary Windows Vista Capable PC Hardware guidelines for those wishing to upgrade to Windows Vista and have the full Aero experience.

CPU
x86-compatible 32-bit or x64-compatible 64-bit microprocessor(s) (Dual-core systems will be supported on all editions except Starter, and multiple physical processors are supported on Business, Enterprise and Ultimate editions)
Motherboard
ACPI-compatible firmware is required.
Memory
At least 512 megabytes of physical memory. Microsoft is also encouraging the use of ECC memory to improve stability[17].
Graphics Card
A DirectX 9–compatible GPU that is capable of supporting Windows Display Driver Model (WDDM) (only needed for Aero Glass) and has 64 megabytes of VRAM at minimum.
Hard Drive space
At least 3 gigabytes for installation files, possibly more, depending on the edition of Windows Vista.
Display
Copy-restricted high-definition digital content, such as next-generation HD DVD movies, can be displayed at a reduced resolution of 480p (DVD quality) or 540p if the copyright owner desires, unless viewed on a High-Bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP)-compatible monitor. Very few existing displays and retail video cards are compliant with this standard[18].


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codederek
Does anybody know why Windows vista requires so much space... Now you have to be rich to play a video game...
aboriginal
I think vista will be great once it comes out but since it is only in Beta mode now - I will wail until the final release.

Im sure my PC will accept it as it is quite a decent spec Smile
Nithanth
I haven't used Windows Vista yet, because I have got no download locations to download it (illegaly, of course Laughing ) !

From the screenshots that I've seen, the graphic work is impressive, very neat and I like the 3D look, but what I really don't like is the high system requirements to be able to even install it !
Xeniczone
Quote:
?? So everybody will be using a single white box where the main board is integrated in the screen??? Not a chance. No interchangable hardware, nothing to configure... People always want to set themselves apart from others, so this is NOT going to happen with MAC. A good product indeed, but no... not the downfall of windows. Not even a free OS system.


Well dip wade. You do know they make powermac's. And the Mac mini does have a pci port in it you just need to change the case to use it. So suck it fool.

Mac is a hell of a lot better then windows personally unless you want to save space I like the powermacs better. The only difference is the size the you can add pci hard ware the only thing you can do with imac is hard drive cpu and memory upgrades.

Quote:
From the screenshots that I've seen, the graphic work is impressive, very neat and I like the 3D look, but what I really don't like is the high system requirements to be able to even install it !


I think the 3d effect is retarted. Everything stays 2d exept the stupid desktop. And all of those effects except the scoll though thing is stolen from macintosh.
neosree
Whatever it is, Vista is going to rule the coputer world. Atleast after 2 years. Just like XP rule the world now Cool . Mac will remain to be in the lifestyle catogory. But vista will be more common among home users. And in countries like India, vista will be a big hit just like XP, due to piracy of course Wink . Many of my Indian friends are much eager to get Vista final version. The late release of Vista actually help the situation better. More and more people have fulfilled the requirements for Vista these days Smile . When vista releases, there will be a big costomer base for microsoft ready to buy it on the releasing day itself. It is a tricky business solution Wink .

Among the requirement section, 512MB ram will be just minimum. Atleast 1GB DDR 400 or DDR2 667 RAM is needed for good enough performence. After installing 100s of softwares it will start responding slowly, just like XP. Cool I actually need 2GB RAM to have an acceptable performance even in XP.
Xeniczone
Quote:
Among the requirement section, 512MB ram will be just minimum. Atleast 1GB DDR 400 or DDR2 667 RAM is needed for good enough performence. After installing 100s of softwares it will start responding slowly, just like XP. I actually need 2GB RAM to have an acceptable performance even in XP.


Ok, You guys. Here are the minium requirments I got for vista.

Pentium 3 933mhz
256mbs ram
at least 2gbs of hard drive space
128mb radion 9200se (Sorry I couldn't test a minimum. I do know you need something better then the 8mb inter intergraded graphic card)

It worked fine. If I ever get my stupid pentium 2 back up and working I will try it on that. You guys are really stupid thinking you need a 6000 dollar computer to use new operating systems.

Windows Vista Beta 1 tested.
nevillethenerd
erm... *whispers* <cough><cough> I don't suppose anyone could share an MSDN installation key could they? I've got the installation media but sadly, no install key. Eds, if this is a dodgy post please feel free to delete me haha.
copilot
I think Vista is great! I am waiting for the beta version to come out sometime the end of this month so i can get a registered version instead of a torrent version. something that I can register instead of not being able to register. I installed it on a pretty slow computer, so I didn't get to explore it very much, but from what I saw it looks really neat!
copilot
I didnt notice your post nevillethenerd. What version of Vista do you have? I don't have a MSDN subscription either, but I have a few different keys. Tell me on the forum which one you have and I'll try and post one for you.
copilot
Sorry to have another post right after my other two, but just to let you all know, I installed Vista on a Dell laptop that was running at 650mhz, had 384mb of ram (the Vista install says 256 min), 12gb hard drive, and a 8mb video card. I think it was 8mb. It might be a 16mb. I don't remember for sure. It did run slow on that comp, but the key factor is that it DID run. It is possible to use Vista on your old slow computer, though I wouldn't recommend it, unless you want to be as slow as Win 3.1 w/25mhz! Cool (My other laptop.)
Dustylunchbox
i think its about time ms brought out something new and have been dragging it out for way to long i bet as soon as the final version of vista comes out mac will bring out something new and better. i mean lets face it macs just better Razz
princess
I think windows Vista will be a good OS. The only problem is that IE 7 sounds like Firefox.
nealio1000
doomachine2000 said: I got it from my MSDN subscription, what did all of you think of it if you seen it? I thought it was actually quite sad.....it still has some errors but the longhorn alpha version was even worser, you couldn't even load the internet without it rebooting....lol......It would be awesome if win vista like joins win xp media center 2005 then the speeds and the converting of movies would be fantastic....but I doubt they will ever do that, 2.4gb is the full size of win vista, and I think it's a waste of space, it can't do much. lol so what are your views on this new invenstion by the win team....is it crap or is it good?


I got my copy of the vista BETA 2 from MSDN (thats build 5384.4) it is sooooooo cool. it is much better than the old builds. it has soooo much more compatible programs, it runs reallly smooth, and it looks great as always (especially because i got Aero!!!!)
alienjones
Quote:

Vista requirements: Pentium 3 933mhz, 256mbs ram, at least 2gbs of hard drive space


Back in the late 60s only 256kB of memory took man to the moon.....
Imagine where Vista is supposed to take us Wink

Seriously, sticking to Win2kPro I denied switching to XP (no XPeriments!) and this is exactly how I'm gonna handle Vista.

The most crappy thing about Microsoft and their new products is that one can hardly buy a brandnew computersystem without Windows XP/ Vista preinstalled. I'd prefer buying a blank system and deciding myself which OS to put on without paying Bill.
b4r4t
I think that I'll never install Vista ....
Why? OS whitch need such of resources (CPU,RAM,GPU Shocked ) as PC GAMES? c'mon - that's idiotic! Smile
I'm thinking bout Linux ... but first i must find repicement for my Win programs... and my brother must stop playing Lineage 2 Razz

Then... for me - NO for Vista Smile or ... Hasta La Vista Smile
djsamsung
well....i'm gonna try the beta 2. is it worth it? or shud i stick to xp
Donutey
djsamsung wrote:
well....i'm gonna try the beta 2. is it worth it? or shud i stick to xp


Don't replace XP on your system, just install beta 2 on a separate hard drive or computer to be safe with your data.

The one sad thing about Vista is that, like XP, it's going to be several years before all of the bugs are ironed out, and it becomes a stable and respectable OS.

That said, I thought about downloadin beta 2, after seeing the file size, my friend telling me that the download cut out halfway through, and Microsoft's notice to "come back later" due to demand, I'm downloading Ubuntu "Dapper" right now... lol Rolling Eyes
djsamsung
Donutey wrote:


Don't replace XP on your system, just install beta 2 on a separate hard drive or computer to be safe with your data.

The one sad thing about Vista is that, like XP, it's going to be several years before all of the bugs are ironed out, and it becomes a stable and respectable OS.

That said, I thought about downloadin beta 2, after seeing the file size, my friend telling me that the download cut out halfway through, and Microsoft's notice to "come back later" due to demand, I'm downloading Ubuntu "Dapper" right now... lol Rolling Eyes


yeah....same thing just happened. Thnx for the info dude! i think i'll wait for the final unbugged OS, don't wanna take the risk and downloading took too much time.
grantmaster
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Quote:
Ok, You guys. Here are the minium requirments I got for vista.

Pentium 3 933mhz
256mbs ram
at least 2gbs of hard drive space
128mb radion 9200se (Sorry I couldn't test a minimum. I do know you need something better then the 8mb inter intergraded graphic card)

It worked fine. If I ever get my stupid pentium 2 back up and working I will try it on that. You guys are really stupid thinking you need a 6000 dollar computer to use new operating systems.

Windows Vista Beta 1 tested.


so if XP is really running fine on a Pentium 3

then why does your sig say that you are running OSXtiger?

There is truth in the fact that windows can run on the minimum system requirements. After that it may not be true that windows and another application can run acceptibly on an old PC platform. Perhaps if you tested XP and Photoshop4 or MSOffice 2000 on the system the you might have a better perspective on the productivity end of the question.

After all, nobody likes to wait for 3 minutes for a program to start up...
Xeniczone
My macintosh runs all the apps on my computer fine all at once without slowing down.

iTunes
Imageready
Firefox
Msn Messanger

I don't have tiger I have jaguar. Tiger is 10.4 not 10.2.

So stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

I have many computers. From 486's to pentium 4 and a couple of macs. I do enjoy using my macs they are so frustrating as windows. Linux I found hard to set up. I got it fully working but i couldn't get it to connect to a wireless card, and my Sig says G3 not P3. It is illegal to run Mac OS X on a system not lisenced by Apple. I think Dell is starting to consider making Macs but Apple says if a 3rd party company wants to make macs a certain % of the profit made from the computers must be given to Apple. This will prevent Apple suffering the same as IBM.

Running apps on slower computer isn't a problem. I don't know why everyone has a problem with it.

I run windows XP and Halo PC on a computer with the specs of this. Without a problem.

Pentium 2 450mhz
128mbs of Ram
ATI Radion 9200se

I even had a really bad and laggy version of BF2 running on that computer. Of course Battlefeild 2 doesn't support that graphic card but other then that is was kind of laggy. Not bad for saying the recommended specs was a 1.7ghz cpu with 512mbs of ram. You just need to push your computer if you like to see what you can do.


Windows Vista also has a compadiblity thing that works with XP. If you have a program (like halo) that isn't supported by Vista just use the compadiblity and it will run fine.

As for gameplay people like to have a good looking and running game. Microsoft should consider a Striped version of vista that will let you install and play games only. This will cut down on stupid visual effects that can slow down the computer and take away from your game. Most people would like a gameing computer without paying 2000 dollars for it but that is just my opition.
Bones
I don't know where he got the requirements but they are not correct.
If you want Home Premium or Ultimate editions, and want aero features etc, you will need a 1Ghz cpu, 512M RAM, and 64M video that fully supports DX9 and pixel shading 2.0. and these are the mins...

Xeno just likes to prove ppl wrong by neutering the OS down to it's bare essentials so that it will run on a crap system by the sounds of it. But he's a mac fan so what do you expect? Wink

Over the past week, the team I work with has been testing Vista on a few pc's...on a P4 2.6Ghz w/HT 1G ram and an Nvidia gt6800 vid card it ran really well. Once the debuggers have been removed and the code has been optimized, it should perform much better.

The system I run it on at home is an Athlon XP 2500, 512M ram and a 128M FX 5500 video card, and it doesnt run too bad at all...although Nvidia has had some issues with it's beta drivers until recently (flooding the CPU with interrupt requests)...seems they have it sorted out now
Xeniczone
Accually Windows Vista requires a current CPU at 800 mhz or more. As for lack of memory it lets me use virtual memory.

Your right I love proving YOU wrong because you have no idea what your talking about.
Bones
You should re-read my post, the requirements I stated are for the more expensive versions that have features like Aero...800Mhz is for the basic Home edition without things like the aero interface...I got my facts from the Vista labs we were running with the developers from Microsoft, where did you get your numbers? Wikipedia?

I don't know what I am talking about? I happen to work for MS and am currently in tech support for Windows XP untill our current labs and training is done and then it will be off to Vista tech support...so who doesn't know what they are taking about? Go flame someone else mac-boy
Xeniczone
I get my numbers from test I run on my own time. I have run windows vista on a pentium 3 without issues at all. Microsoft or that"Vista labs" is just trying to get people to buy new computers that they don't need to buy. Currently Microsoft is saying if you have a pentium 3 your done forget it you can't get windows vista. I say if you have a pentium 3 coppermine at 900mhz or more you should be well off.

Here are the cpus I would recommend to run vista.

Amd Septron 64
Amd Athlon 64 - both take advantage of 64bit vista
Amd Athlon XP
Intel Pentium 3 - 800mhz or more
Intel Pentium 4 - 1ghz or more
Intel Pentium 4 EM64T -2.8ghz or more (takes advantage of 64bit)

And I will run tests on a Pentium 2 and a AMD K6-2 to see how much I can get out of them. After all Windows XP wasn't made to run on a pentium 2 or 3 yet it still does without a issue.


So you work for microsoft. So you can expain to us where all those "new features" came from? or should I say you guys stole from.
Xeniczone
I would like to change that.

I have just tried windows vista beta 2. AND WOW a lot has change since beta 1. (Tested on a pentium 4 2.2ghz)

Pros:
Install time doesn't take forever.

Cons:
Distorys the CPU
Areo theme is like Mac OS X


Beta 1 I had running the areo theme just fine on a Pentium 3 and a pentium 4. Beta 2 I can't run the areo theme on either of them. It is horrible. On my pentium 4 the mouse jumps around because it is using so much of the cpu.

I turn the areo theme off and it works fine on both of them.

I like the areo theme because it is similar to Mac OS X, but unlike mac os x 10 I can't run it on a 350mhz CPU.I don't know what microsoft is thinking.

After trying out Beta 2 I would change my cpu recommendation.

Areo theme.
AMD Athlon 64 (2.0ghz or more)
Pentium 4 32bit or EM64T (2.8ghz or more)
Intel Core Solo/Duo (--)
NOTE: Do not use a Septron or a Celeron. Even at high speeds their proformace is too low.

No Areo Theme
Amd Septron 64
Amd Athlon 64 - both take advantage of 64bit vista
Amd Athlon XP
Intel Pentium 3 - 800mhz or more
Intel Pentium 4 - 1ghz or more
Intel Pentium 4 EM64T -2.8ghz or more (takes advantage of 64bit)[/code]
Bones
I've heard a lot of people say that they think it looks a lot like Mac OS, I don't see the similarity myself, but many others do...post some screen shots of what is so similar.

I like the Aero theme too, and think Vista is really ugly without it.
As far as where the new features come from, sorry I'm not on the developers team so I have no idea.

Vista runs reasonably well (for a beta that is still 6mths to a year from release) on my system (Athlon XP 2500, 512M ram and an FX 5500 128M vid card)
I used to have the mouse jumping problem and traced it back to the Nvidia drivers flooding the cpu with interrupt requests..their latest drivers (88.61) seem to work much better
Xeniczone
I also can't play halo You know anything about this?

I deleted it so I can try React OS.

I will get some screen to show the similar things.

it just really gets to me that they could change so much from beta 1 to beta 2 that could make or break your computer. Kind of sad. I'm still going to try it on the pentium 3 with a ATI so I won't have that nVidia thing.

It also didn't have pre-installed drivers for my Creative sound card like XP did.
Donutey
Anyone else get the 80080017 error code when installing beta 2?
On MSDN people have gotten that error when they use a DVD-RW drive and the clean install option for beta 2. (I did an upgrade install to fix the problem, but still... you shouldn't have to do that)

btw... I think a lot of people don't understand what beta 2 means, considering how many people have downloaded it and are "upgrading" there main/daily use PCs with all their data to Vista beta 2. Microsoft has said that when the final Vista version comes out you won't be able to upgrade from earliar beta / rc versions of Vista. Which is why I've installed it on a spare hard drive. So do be careful. Rolling Eyes
Xeniczone
What kind of person delete everything so they can run a beta version of an operating system?

what is RC?

Most people wont care if you can't upgrade it. To some if you can save 200 bucks then so be it.
Bones
From what I've been told, Vista isn't going to have as many included drivers as XP did. I think it's because MS got tired of taking flak over drivers that arent even made by them.

Never heard of React OS, did some reading and it looks like a pretty cool project. Will be interesting to see how it turns out in later releases.

Can't play Halo in Vista you mean? Heh, there is a LOT of software that wont work in Vista yet (most antivirus programs, any Symantec software, tons of games).

In all honesty, I don't see how MS is going to be ready for a 1st quarter 2007 release of Vista. There are so many bugs to be worked out yet, software compatability is still a big issue, and the code still isn't optimized.
Xeniczone
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Can't play Halo in Vista you mean? Heh, there is a LOT of software that wont work in Vista yet (most antivirus programs, any Symantec software, tons of games).


Halo works fine on Vista Beta1. (with patch from bungie), but I think it is too much of a stress on my cpu to work with vista beta 2 (with patch from bungie. I get past all the logos and crap of co. that made it but then it won't load the menu.

Even some of the games that I have made don't work under vista. I think I may have to recompile them under the Vista envirment instead of xp.

Battlefeild 2 didn't work either I haven't tried anymore.
Bones
Xeniczone wrote:
What kind of person delete everything so they can run a beta version of an operating system?

what is RC?

Most people wont care if you can't upgrade it. To some if you can save 200 bucks then so be it.



People wo don't know any better would be my guess Wink I have an extra 20G partition that I use specifically for playing with other OS's so I installed it there.

To be honest, I am not surprised that Vista Beta 2 has more problems than beta one..so far this year I have been playing with a few betas and Live Messenger, IE7, and Vista all have one thing in common..beta 1 worked MUCH better than beta 2.

RC stands for Release Candidate.
Word is, that the next public beta version of Vista will be RC1, and no word yet if there will be an RC2 or not although I can't imagine there not being one.

@Donutey - No idea, I installed it as a clean install (duall boot clean install) from a dvd-rw drive and had no problems with builds 5270, 5381 and 5384. Were you launching the setup from within XP or by booting from the dvd? I always boot from the dvd except for build 5381 where I installed it once clean from inside XP..same drive, no problems.
You're right, you shouldn't have to do this..make sure to file a bug report on it.
Xeniczone
Yeh Donkey I used a DVD burner too but I didn't get that error.

So is RC like a pre-Release of the full version or is it just another beta?

Or is it like you said. Like a beta just without all the debuggers running.
MaffePauluZ
I have Vista installed right now and it's good for me, i've seen some bugs and reported them, but i hope in beta3 it's perfect Cool
MaffePauluZ
Bones wrote:
Xeniczone wrote:
What kind of person delete everything so they can run a beta version of an operating system?

what is RC?

Most people wont care if you can't upgrade it. To some if you can save 200 bucks then so be it.



People wo don't know any better would be my guess Wink I have an extra 20G partition that I use specifically for playing with other OS's so I installed it there.

To be honest, I am not surprised that Vista Beta 2 has more problems than beta one..so far this year I have been playing with a few betas and Live Messenger, IE7, and Vista all have one thing in common..beta 1 worked MUCH better than beta 2.

RC stands for Release Candidate.
Word is, that the next public beta version of Vista will be RC1, and no word yet if there will be an RC2 or not although I can't imagine there not being one.

@Donutey - No idea, I installed it as a clean install (duall boot clean install) from a dvd-rw drive and had no problems with builds 5270, 5381 and 5384. Were you launching the setup from within XP or by booting from the dvd? I always boot from the dvd except for build 5381 where I installed it once clean from inside XP..same drive, no problems.
You're right, you shouldn't have to do this..make sure to file a bug report on it.


I have XP Home, Linux, and vista installed.. ( got extra drives of 50 Gb )
Works for me
chat
I love the look of vista,interface,gui and so on,but i can't have it,i installed all themes and wallpapers icons,and all that are not very big for download,because I have slowest connection in world ! Crying or Very sad .Now I am using this to ask,did somebody tried http://tech.cybernetnews.com/2006/05/20/how-to-make-your-xp-machine-look-like-vista-for-free/
It is about 14 MB,if somebody has downloaded it already or somebody with fast connection please zip it or compress in any format just compress it good ,to 2-3 MB and upload it ,or send me to email,please if somebody want help Sad
Xeniczone
Quote:
I love the look of vista,interface,gui and so on,but i can't have it,i installed all themes and wallpapers icons,and all that are not very big for download,because I have slowest connection in world ! Crying or Very sad .Now I am using this to ask,did somebody tried http://tech.cybernetnews.com/2006/05/20/how-to-make-your-xp-machine-look-like-vista-for-free/
It is about 14 MB,if somebody has downloaded it already or somebody with fast connection please zip it or compress in any format just compress it good ,to 2-3 MB and upload it ,or send me to email,please if somebody want help
Many of Vista GUI Features are taken from Mac. If I ever get the tiem I will make a new post here showing all the Similarities between them, but microsoft and other co. Have been stealing from Apple for years. You wonder why apple is so defensive. You would be too if everyone around you wants to steal the thing your making.
chizeled
I have to agree that both Mac and Windows OS's are looking similiar. One will buy out the other some day. I would like to try vista, where can I ger the RC1 version? Is it for everyone? Just wondering.
jesper
Hi. U can download windows vista free on www.microsoft.com
Thay have for the public a change to see the beta 2 version of vista. U get a serial code to for activate. I love vista and it works good by me Very Happy
chizeled
jesper wrote:
Hi. U can download windows vista free on www.microsoft.com
Thay have for the public a change to see the beta 2 version of vista. U get a serial code to for activate. I love vista and it works good by me Very Happy


Thanks jesper. I want to try it on one of my machines. Hope it works on older machines. Does anyone know what the computer specs are supposed to be? I might look at microsoft to see what is what. Are they going to have a server version of this OS?
anthonygerbils
yeah microsoft gave me everything ages ago as they invited me and now finialy its out for public as i was telling everyone about it now they can see them selfs. its really cool in its looks ability and gadgets... it does however have a few flaws but it really gud so far and beata 2 is classsy.
ashik
we all have to agree on one thing... Microsoft have made a fortune for the companies selling antivirus and anti-spyware softwares.... three chears for MS for creating an OS where the viruses and trojans and spywares... feel right at home....
orcaz
In my opinion, MS Vista's situation would be juz like what happened to WinXP, being attacked with sorts of bugs and exploits and viruses when it is first released. I won't be upgrading to Vista anytime soon after its release.
supersonic
There will be a few reasons I won't start on Windows Vista until a little bit later in the relase

1) The minute I start it up my computer will probably be swarmed with viruses and trojans
2) In its current setup, my computer couldn't handle windows vista.
3) It's going to so expensive I couldn't possibly afford it.
chizeled
Let's see, don't people create trojans and virus's? If our government would crack down on those dill weeds then their would n't be any problems. I guess there are too many people doing that. It's like 50,000 bullets pointed at one person. Someone is bound to get shot.
orcaz
If there weren't trojans and viruses, antivirus and firewall companies would have shut down long ago.... lol, and Microsoft would continue its monopoly as no one attacks its softwares and operating systems.
chizeled
I don agree with that, hackers are lamers. Just a bunch ego maniacs wanting to get arrested, and one day they will. Viruses cost everyone money, one way or another. Even the beloved MAC will one day be affected. Ipod will be the next victim, then will come Mac itself. Oh, what a sad day that will be. It will come though, it will come.
sibbahz
Windows vista seems like a good operating system in the week ive been using it.
Does appear to be a few bugs, my system sometimes failes to resume from standby or hibernate, used to be fine with windows xp.
Very slow with my 512 meg ram though, as 64 meg is shared graphics.
chizeled
Are you using the beta version? What version is it on now?
orcaz
chizeled wrote:
I don agree with that, hackers are lamers. Just a bunch ego maniacs wanting to get arrested, and one day they will. Viruses cost everyone money, one way or another. Even the beloved MAC will one day be affected. Ipod will be the next victim, then will come Mac itself. Oh, what a sad day that will be. It will come though, it will come.

yea, most of them hack into comps juz bcoz they enjoy seeing pple suffer when they get frustrated about losing their data. but some of them hack for money, to get passwords into online banking accounts.
chizeled
I had my identity stolen not too long ago. They haven't found the person yet. Sucks but that kind of crime is just not cool. That is putting it mildly. Well what can you do, there are crooks and there are us. The common man trying to make a buck.
swsource
Vista is a joke of an operating system.

512 ram to run? Remember XP said 64 or 128, but we all know it ACTUALLY means 64 to boot and crash, 128 to boot and run so slow you cut your wrists.

They say 512 now, but they mean 2 gigs. -_-

And no, its not because of new features, they still havent even caught up to slackware linux and it dosent need anything near 512.
Xeniczone
Linux and Mac OS X look great but don't require all that hardware. Hell. You can run Mac OS Tiger on a g3 350mhz computer. And you can run linux on a 486. What makes windows so much different...

Some say windows has a partnership with the computer companies so you would have to buy a new computer to run the new OS. So people buy the new OS they buy the new computer while they are at it.

My opition is their should be a computer term similar to racist except it conserns the type of Os they are using. So computer companys also need to put Stickers on their computer that says "Linux Compadible" You may notice that Apple doesn't do this for Mac OS or for Linux, becase and Apple can run both though the development isn't their for most linuxes but yeh...

What happened between Beta 1 and Beta 2. All I see is they added a different Start menu. And the fact that Windows Vista Beta 1 could run apps and I WAS ABLE TO RUN IT ON A PENTUIM 3 with no issues. Now Windows Beta 2 Shocked O God, I could run apps And the mouse jerked around because of lack of drivers, and it just plain run like crap on my computer.
shoes22
Has anybody seen the new Windows Basic UI? I personally love it and am glad they got rid of the "scrap metal" theme. Of course I'm going to be using the Aero UI myself, but I think Windows and the color blue just go together.

Here's what my buddy Paul Thurott has to say:
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_scrapmetal.asp
GW_Addict
Vista is NOT XP. It is being totally re-written from the ground up with Security in mind.

Before anyone flames me for being a Microsoft lover though, I should make it clear that I am a huge proponent of Linux, and use it all the time.

However, I am also an avid gamer, which is one of the reasons I cannot wait for Vista. One of the best things that will come out of Vista is DirectX 10, which will really change the way video cards and video software runs (in terms of fantastic enhancement.)

That, and the 3D interface will be cool (though I honestly don’t know how useful.)

From the security perspective I fully expect that Vista is much more secure than XP, which in turn is much more secure than it’s predecessors as well.
Donutey
Even though this is self-promotion Rolling Eyes :

A Short History of Windows Vista Delays
chizeled
When is the real ship date? Anyone know? Are they making a server edition by chance? I get a 50/50 read on this OS, I guess I will have to wait and see when it comes out and see all the problems. I think I asked this before, but where is the beta for this, the download site? Appreciate a nice answer.
Xeniczone
You guys should watch this video about Microsofts history it is really good Razz.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VxV_dAZeqYg&search=macintosh

Release date: January 2007.

Microsoft isn't that only company that has done platform or system code changes.

Apple changed their system code from classic to X. They changed platform from PPC to x86.

The only difference is Apple you can accually use your old software. Though Classic Mode (for classic applications), Rossetta(for PPC apps).

Microsofts solution sucks and doesn't work most of the time. The compadibility thing. First. DOS apps don't run. Second Windows 95,98,me apps most don't run even with Compadiblity. Windows XP apps, most don't run on vista even with compadibility.
shoes22
Is Microsoft gonna improve the startup times for this system? Everyone i've talked to running it has said that it is much freakishly slower than XP.
bassgs_17
First of all, I don't have the time nor the patience to read through every post on this thread, but you guys have covered most, if not all, of the currently-available benefits coming with Windows Vista. I have personally played with the public beta 2, and it was great, despite the fact that I could not enable the Aero Glass effects, even though I have a 128 MB GPU; which the get ready site clearly requires. I'll be an early adopter of Vista, mainly because I'm the techie type who must have the latest everything; but partly because XP is just so... old. I do hope they make the Windows Genuine Advantage stuff less intrusive; it really infuriates me when I use the wrong install cd with a certain key... I'll be sure to get the Core 2 Duo as well, later this month. For more info on my tech rants, please visit http://aquastrike.blogspot.com.
-Aquastrike
Xeniczone
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even though I have a 128 MB GPU; which the get ready site clearly requires.


I don't want to sound mean or anything but no one really care about memory size on the GPU. it is the gpu it's self that makes it good. you could have 32mbs and have a nvidia geforce 7800 and it would still be a great graphics card. Though you would have lack of memory issues.

The reason the areo theme doesn't work is because you don't have shader 2.0 you only have 1.1 or something. Can I guess what your gfx card is? Is it a ATI Radeon 9200?
KHO
Ok, so lm actually somewhat impressed by it. Neutral Go figure lol. l have an on board graphics card, so it is extremelly slow, but thats my laptops fault, and the only thing on my laptop that wasn't supported (sound card) had an update last night to support it. So, MS is actually releasing updates for it unlike the office 12 beta where as l recieved a single update in about 5 months Neutral.

I would like to know some other thoughts on it from anyone else who has tried it, l only installed it last night so l have yet to try many of the new features.
sceptileex
even if yo usay it is worked with secrity in mind, i dont see how secure it can be, since its currenlty being bombarded like hell,k lol. I think the eye candy part is cool, the themes, ive heard certain rumors about some people releasing a skkin forP with windows vista eye candy, if thats true i think i will install that.
Dragonfly-online
I Think it's important to consider that vista is just a small step towards vienna, which is what im looking forward to, and it should be greatly anticipated, and if you thought about vienna as much as I do, you wouldn't even notice how insignificant Vista is in comparison...
rollin02301
I have downloaded the new Windows Vista Beta 2, and office 2007 beta. the office beta anyone can get but you now have to be part of the testing team to get the vista beta2. if any of you are like me, you like to have the newest programs to play with, and being on the testing team is great opportunity for me personly as i am starting my own pc repair and programing buisness. the vista beta i very nice, a new gui and menu system, along with better security features. ,microsoft has included media center as PART of windows vista pro now, so no more 2 os's to have a media center pc. as for the office beta, the interface is incredible. much easier to navigate and do what you want to do, for example: in the old ms word, to insert a picture you had to go through a bunch of menus, file; insert picture from file, ect. wiht the new word, you just click the TAB at the top pf the window that says insert, click on picture, and it opens your picture folder, choose your pic nd youre done. i also got ie7 beta. much much better than the old version. the new ie now has TABBED BROWSING, ala firefox. i swear by firefox, but there are some web sites the you must use ie for, for those sites this is the best option. i still mainly use firefox, but this new ie is def worth a try. i think microsoft finally figured out that people want more from thier pcs than a headache, and that if they didnt get thier act together quick, they were going to loose millions of dollars. the new programs ad systems look great. if you want to check out the betas for yourself here are the links
office 2007: http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/beta/overview.mspx
windows vista: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/default.aspx
and here are a few screenshots so you can see what they look like


and this is what word now looks like

and now for the new IE7

(this is abviously not the Avalon os, i use window blinds on my xp hard drive)
shoes22
Vista is actually much more reliable than XP. For those of you who are using Beta 2, I'm using build 5456 and I must say a lot of the bugs and security have been improved.
Xeniczone
while at the same time more bugs and security errors are made.
Zorrin
Windows vista has a good look and a good feel to it but when it comes to proformance i severly dislike it. You need lots of ram and lots of good hardware to run it. Once vista gets its act together i might think about getting it again but untill then it is really bad......

This is just my opinion though, I know lots of people that liked it and it ran on there computer just fine.
zyee
the interface is awesome, but it is sooooooooo laggy. withough a real powerful computer, dont try it. the system requirement is so high that i dont think much people are able to try it.
pgr3master
vista to start is more seure than xp to start
it also has an very good interface which works on the best computer and use hardware and software rending for ui and movie maker
GW_Addict
sceptileex wrote:
even if yo usay it is worked with secrity in mind, i dont see how secure it can be, since its currenlty being bombarded like hell,k lol. I think the eye candy part is cool, the themes, ive heard certain rumors about some people releasing a skkin forP with windows vista eye candy, if thats true i think i will install that.


Vista is the FIRST OS from Microsoft that has been written from the ground up with Security in mind. Unlike other software written by Microsoft that has been released riddled with security holes, Vista has had literally EVERY line of code checked for security defects.

Don’t get me wrong - I am sure there will be some security issues. But compared to other previous OS’s Vista should be much more reliable and secure.

As for us gamers, the interface, shading capabilities and other features that will be included in DirectX 10 (which is supposed to release as part of Vista) will make the gaming world all that much better. I am personally hoping moving from XP to Vista will be like it was moving from Win98 to XP.
Xeniczone
What Vista does is take the Effects from Other OSes such as MAC OS X and LINUX and adds it in a very microsoft way. I mean this by they don't do it efficent. They do it so it takes up CPU, because of their has been a comperisy theory about Microsoft and the Hardware companies "teaming up" to make each other money by making users buy new hardware.

I really think Microsoft doesnt give a shit about your sucerity. They just want your money. If it means adding a few sucerity updates and saying that they fixed a lot just to get more money I bet they will.

Out of all the times you see Identity fruad or Credit card stolen through the internet. How many times has it happened to a Mac or Linux user compared to a Windows user. Well you may say that that isn't a far because their are more windows users the Mac and linux put together. Who cares I would bet that 100 percent of the time it was windows that it was stolen on.
Zorrin
I agree, Windows is the overall the most used OS. Mac and Linux is alot more secure than Windows, and I also agree that Windows just wants to make more money. Windows Vista takes up a crap load of memory so you need to buy more and then you dont have the right graphics card so you need to buy another one, and you processor is to slow so you need to buy a new one of those to. People are probably going to by a already made computer with vista on it so its Vista friendly, but that computer is probably set to the minimum reqiurements for Vista and probably cant do alot of Vista stuff.
cjlargear
well...they,ve definitally done a really good job with the windows ce kernel rewrite...

they could do the same with windows nt....or even better with a new kernel....

however, time is money and the dictatorship of bill gates' logic of windows being the only OS outhere will never advance windows OS into a bug free OS...

there you have it...the perfect explanation about the buggy windows OS...
barryforever
Anybody knows whats the official release date of windows Vista
Xeniczone
January 2007



Vista already runs on a new kernal but the problem is they have dumped a lot of old software form working. You may say the same about Macintosh doing the same then when switching 2x since 2001. well...

Apple offered Classic Envirment when they switched to Mac OS X so you wouldn't have to worry about that.

When Apple again switch to x86 platform again they offered support through Rossetta.

Both of these run in the background so you never see them poping up and bothering you when you are trying to run older software on your new machine.

Sadly windows doesn't do this. When I finally got Vista Beta 2 I had discovered that BattleFeild 2 can't install. Halo will install but will not run. Rexio burning tool will not run. Hmm... Can't remember any others that I tried, but gamers say "I'm really looking forward to this" Too bad most of your games won't work.
raman
Does anyone know if the new windows is faster?
jon9314
i have vista beta 2 installed on my computer and it is the best os i have used to date and i have used a bunch. speed is better than xp stability is better than xp ui is better than xp. i loved xp but there is a new king and it isn't even final code yet. although i read rc1 is suposed to be relesed on the 15th Very Happy
jon9314
Xeniczone wrote:
January 2007



Vista already runs on a new kernal but the problem is they have dumped a lot of old software form working. You may say the same about Macintosh doing the same then when switching 2x since 2001. well...

Apple offered Classic Envirment when they switched to Mac OS X so you wouldn't have to worry about that.

When Apple again switch to x86 platform again they offered support through Rossetta.

Both of these run in the background so you never see them poping up and bothering you when you are trying to run older software on your new machine.

Sadly windows doesn't do this. When I finally got Vista Beta 2 I had discovered that BattleFeild 2 can't install. Halo will install but will not run. Rexio burning tool will not run. Hmm... Can't remember any others that I tried, but gamers say "I'm really looking forward to this" Too bad most of your games won't work.

a lot of online games that don't work with vista is because they use gameguard hacking prevetion system. gameguard has many security holes and is not interested in fixing them so microsoft blocked its install. without gameguard installed the game won't run cuz it thinks you are tring to hack it. thats what you get when you hound ms to beef up security.
GW_Addict
Xeniczone wrote:
What Vista does is take the Effects from Other OSes such as MAC OS X and LINUX and adds it in a very microsoft way. I mean this by they don't do it efficent. They do it so it takes up CPU, because of their has been a comperisy theory about Microsoft and the Hardware companies "teaming up" to make each other money by making users buy new hardware.

I really think Microsoft doesnt give a **** about your sucerity. They just want your money. If it means adding a few sucerity updates and saying that they fixed a lot just to get more money I bet they will.

Out of all the times you see Identity fruad or Credit card stolen through the internet. How many times has it happened to a Mac or Linux user compared to a Windows user. Well you may say that that isn't a far because their are more windows users the Mac and linux put together. Who cares I would bet that 100 percent of the time it was windows that it was stolen on.


I will not disagree that Microsoft's primary concern is getting their hands on your money. But if you think that any other corporation on this planet does not want the same thing - including MAC and even LINUS companies like Red Hat and Novell/Suse – then your not living in the real world.

And you are very wrong about your assumption that the majority (or all) Identify and Credit Card Fraud is due to Microsoft software. Your statement that “I would bet that 100 percent of the time it was windows that it was stolen on.” Shows that your so strongly biased against Microsoft that do not have the capability of looking at something like Vista objectively.

I am a huge Linux fan, and use it often. I like MAC’s and Apple as well. I personally believe that Vista is a huge step in the right direction for Microsoft. I plan on owning and running this, especially from the stand-point of a gamer. I am not concerned that my games will not run on it, as the compatibility features built in with Vista will handle most of this, and the game manufacturers will handle the rest (they would be shooting themselves in the foot ny NOT patching their games to run on vista.)
Da Rossa
Look, this topic is intended for one who already tested a beta version of Vista and can tell his experience, or the ones who have read enough about the upcoming Windows Vista to have a solid, own position.

So far, according to the information I've read, Vista will not be necessary. Why?

1 - The graphics have changed a lot, got too heavy for an average user that it made me reluctant to think about an upgrade.

2 - Functionalities, REAL NEW functionalities other than interface tweaks haven't been seen yet;

3 - Demands too powerful hardware, let's remember that not everyone in Brazil and other third-world countries has access to the latest Twenty-core processor or the 1TB Video Card or the 10GB RAM...

4 - Too focused in the multimedia.

5 - It's naturally expensive, not the copy itself, but the sum Copy+hardware upgrades.

So... why not to stay with XP?
PseudoKnight
Totally agree with staying with XP. For the first couple years there'll be little reason for people like me to upgrade. I value certain features made available in Vista like vector text, but for the most part it's bloat. Until enough games start making use of DX10 I'll stick with a low profile XP install.
Forvit
Well to work in Vista it is necessary to make a upgrade of the majority of a computer (1Gb the RAM and is better 2). For the majority of people in it there is no necessity.
Da Rossa
PseudoKnight wrote:
Totally agree with staying with XP. For the first couple years there'll be little reason for people like me to upgrade. I value certain features made available in Vista like vector text, but for the most part it's bloat. Until enough games start making use of DX10 I'll stick with a low profile XP install.


While the others don't come to tell their opinions, what is vector text? Seems something new to me.
4ndY
win 98 ftw
photographerguy
Da Rossa wrote:
While the others don't come to tell their opinions, what is vector text? Seems something new to me.


I think vector text is the same as any raster/vector object. Win Xp doesn't have vector text, Mac OSX does. Raster can be seen as pixelated and vector is perfectly smooth. Although the difference is pretty small when looking at average text sizes, it is supposed to be easier on your eyes to read vector text. It is just the way it is displayed.

I am quoting this information from articles I've read a while back, so please correct me if I am wrong.
quartz
I will stay with winxp until i will have some big reason to upgrade. Now XP is working good. Applications which i use also are working ok with xp, so why upgrade?
vashish87
I suggest trying both Vista b2 and MacOS X (tiger) on the same computer. MacOS runs like a dream with all those remarkable animations with my Intel integrated graphics chipset. But Aero Glass won't even start. I buy an X1600 and, surprisingly, new Vista still looks suckier than old MacOS. beta 2 is supposed to be a pretty advanced release (MS says it will only make cosmetic changes to it) and IMO Vista definitely does NOT justify the huge sysreqs MS is asking for.
Bones
vashish87 wrote:
I suggest trying both Vista b2 and MacOS X (tiger) on the same computer. MacOS runs like a dream with all those remarkable animations with my Intel integrated graphics chipset. But Aero Glass won't even start. I buy an X1600 and, surprisingly, new Vista still looks suckier than old MacOS. beta 2 is supposed to be a pretty advanced release (MS says it will only make cosmetic changes to it) and IMO Vista definitely does NOT justify the huge sysreqs MS is asking for.


Microsoft said no such thing (that only cosmetic changes would be made to beta 2) and Beta is not an advanced release..I have no idea where you get your information from, but it is no where near accurate.

The next milestone release will be RC1 which should be out around mid Septemberish. That release should be a fairly advanced release (meaning fairly close to retail) but there is still a possibility of an RC2 depending on how well RC1 does.

Huge sys requirements? LOL any pc built in the last 2 years (unless your builder or OEM was crap) should easily handle Vista..I dont exactly call a 2 year old pc cutting edge hardware requirements. But no, your gramma's HP pc from 1999 isnt going to run Vista..
corey
raman wrote:
Does anyone know if the new windows is faster?
The chances of that are pretty slim. Every new release has required a computer with 10 times the power to run it at the same speed. The key won't be speed of how it works, but what it can do.
Terrasis-Cian
I have a friend who has the vista beta1 and he says that the graphical interface is unreal. I think it is going to be awsome when it comes out of beta!!!
halflife28
cjlargear wrote:
well...they,ve definitally done a really good job with the windows ce kernel rewrite...

they could do the same with windows nt....or even better with a new kernel....

however, time is money and the dictatorship of bill gates' logic of windows being the only OS outhere will never advance windows OS into a bug free OS...

there you have it...the perfect explanation about the buggy windows OS...


Windows will always be unsecure over Linux and Mac. Too many people use Windows, and the majority of users do not care about the state of their system as long as they can play their RealArcade games, start Internet Explorer and click on popups advertising free porn and game consoles. Hell, most don't even know that alternatives exist mainly because they don't care. That's pop culture for ya.

Linux will never gain a good chuck in market share from Windows as long as popular game developers such as Valve and software makers such as Adobe arn't supporting Linux.
Xeniczone
Adobe doesn't support linux because it isn't a commercial product. Yes their are commercial versions of it but their is still Mixed versions. I can't just say I have Linux now give me a Linux installer. I need to tell them what type of linux.
whiteknight
i hope windows vista is all they say it is cause it looks nice
Bones
DiageoLiam
Is Vista a RAM eater?
BrainCracked
I think Vista is better than XP but ther will be much bugs. And vista is to expencif. i hope then more people use linux-systems.
sickskillz
I am currently emulating Vista Beta 2 with VMware and it looks pretty good so far. I've had it for 2 days and found no bugs so far. I like the new look of it but it was a bit hard to find stuff and figure some stuff out at first. Once I get a new hd i will install it first so i can see how it runs on an actual computer instead of being emulated, although it runs pretty well in VMware.
Teddy1
You can't play games on Vista, So for all gamers out there i would suggest sticking with XP or quit gaming Crying or Very sad. Which i am not prepared to do as gaming online rocks!!!!
coreymanshack
teddy this is only temporary.. games will work on vista as soon as vista comes out... the gaming companies have to compile the games to work with vista...
Jaan
I think you will be able to play WinXP games on Vista. Halo 2 for PC is coming out, only for Windows Vista.
If you don't want to buy it, get Linux (Debian rox!).
PseudoKnight
Windows XP games WILL work on Vista. There might be a slight loss of performance due to the larger OS, but they'll work.
Meggsy
Microsoft wouldn't release an OS that couldn't handle games. They would be crazy to drive all the people who want to play games away.
Shin
me too, I don;t believe Microsoft will come out a OS that doens't play games. Impossible to believe.
Teddy1
Fair enough, I think i will stick to XP for a while anyway as i am used to it Smile. The main thing that attracted me to Vista was the way it looked. I have windowblinds to change the way XP looks with the VistaXP skin by KoL so it's like i have Vista already. Smile
Saber
sigh, vista will cost more than its worth.
Amazon has the prices up if you want to see them..
all 5 different version of vista.
Oh also

Quote:
A Windows Vista Capable PC includes at least:

* A modern processor (at least 800MHz1).
* 512 MB of system memory.
* A graphics processor that is DirectX 9 capable.


meaning, it will look like win 2k if you have a capable pc...

to make it look shiny and have the eye candy you need,
Quote:
A Windows Vista Premium Ready PC includes at least:

* 1 GHz 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor1.
* 1 GB of system memory.
* Support for DirectX 9 graphics with a WDDM driver, 128 MB of graphics memory (minimum)2, Pixel Shader 2.0 and 32 bits per pixel.
* 40 GB of hard drive capacity with 15 GB free space.
* DVD-ROM Drive3.
* Audio output capability.
* Internet access capability.

.... just for the OS... other wise known as a waste..

so yah. Im not going to get vista for a LONG time..(heh.. one reason some think they got rid of longhorn as a code name because people were making long jokes.)

-saber
lukeropro
Computers next year will probably have all that so don't worry!
htmlrules
i would prefer to get linux much better in performance and is more user friendly
LostOverThere
I have to agree with HTMLRules.
Yes, Most Freeware games will not work on Vista.

Off to Linux for Me.
Bones
Agreed, I found that getting around in the new UI was a pain at first. Once I got used to the new toys in Vista though, I can navigate around three times faster than in XP.

Memory eater? At this point yes. I havent installed RC1 yet (which was released Friday to MS tech beta testers) it's still downloading.

Some of the memory hogging would have been due to the debug code that was in Vista, but I have it running on several machines and anything with over 1G of ram shouldnt have any trouble unless you are doing some hard core gaming etc
TrueFact
Microsoft HAS to support games on Vista and don't forget that DirectX is one of two main GFX platforms (besides OpenGL) which makes microsoft lots and lots of money. The idea may be not supporting old games not all 32 bit games because this will affect the sale of current versions of the games and many companies will hate that.

For the hardware needed to run Vista, Microsoft has its last shot to make a clean OS against Linux, Unix and BSD and maybe that's why it's really big OS. In this case Microsoft has to balance between the size of Vista and it's performance. If Microsoft loses this time and this fight against other OSs then the Middle East market is gone from its hands.
izcool
I don't see why Microsoft would want to take away the backwards compatability feature that came with Windows XP, where you could run older programs for Windows 95/98/ME/2000 on the newer system. I'm sure that will still be there. And the thought of Microsoft taking away the glory of playing games on a computer, unbelievable. No more Solitaire and Freecell ? No way !! Would you mind telling us the source where you heard this from ? I'm curious.

- Mike.
coreymanshack
they aren't taking away backwards compatilibility.. the only problem is that vista is for 64bit processors... and the old games are 32bit.... they may have a lil trouble there with the conversion... or there may be no problems at all with is... i'm not for sure cuz i've never built an OS.
SmartIcon
The price of Vista Home is USD199 and for upgrade from Windows XP is USD99.
PerArne
Windows XP *cheers* Razz

I wont get Vista, XP is good enough, really.
neosree
I always believe in microsoft. They knows that vista is going to be a powerful entertainment OS, so games also cannot be excluded. There will be emulators built on the OS, for all those backward compatebility. And about the hardware, even the processor and graphics inside mobile phones become more and more powerful over these years, so be your computer, if u want to live in the present. As of now, there is no need to rush, wait until the final vertion of vista officially released. All the bad allegations will go wrong, I believe...
Da Rossa
I still don't understand why to upgrade to Vista.
As I don't see a point in upgrading to Office 2007.
Josso
Yes, that's definatly temporary. It would be financial suicide for a new Windows OS not to support games. I'm waiting until Vista is beta tested a lot more before I upgrade.
sceptileex
if it cant support games i might as well use linux :X But seriously im sticking to XP. I installed a windowblinds skin, so i still get the eyecandy of vista, anyway.
coreymanshack
may i ask where you got the skin?
Da Rossa
quartz wrote:
I will stay with winxp until i will have some big reason to upgrade. Now XP is working good. Applications which i use also are working ok with xp, so why upgrade?

Those big reasons are exactely what I'm looking for. Smile
angel_of_death
Dragonfly wrote:
I never knew that Windows Vista is actually codenamed as the Longhorn. I thought it will be named Windows Longhorn. It has got many versions. Let's hope it improved many versions from Windows XP.



i thought longhorn was b4 windows xp media centre edition? and they gave up on longhorn. Laughing

by the way, do any of you guys use MS internet explorer even now? which version do we get with Vista Question

and is anyone truly lookin forward to release of vista Question
angel_of_death
halflife28 wrote:
cjlargear wrote:
well...they,ve definitally done a really good job with the windows ce kernel rewrite...

they could do the same with windows nt....or even better with a new kernel....

however, time is money and the dictatorship of bill gates' logic of windows being the only OS outhere will never advance windows OS into a bug free OS...

there you have it...the perfect explanation about the buggy windows OS...


Windows will always be unsecure over Linux and Mac. Too many people use Windows, and the majority of users do not care about the state of their system as long as they can play their RealArcade games, start Internet Explorer and click on popups advertising free porn and game consoles. Hell, most don't even know that alternatives exist mainly because they don't care. That's pop culture for ya.

Linux will never gain a good chuck in market share from Windows as long as popular game developers such as Valve and software makers such as Adobe arn't supporting Linux.


you mean to say we cant use linux, mac for online gaming? i've nver used any other os than windows. i've just started on linux Smile
izcool
I've personally never used Vista myself, but I do think that Microsoft is hyping it up a bit too much. My PC doesn't qualify for Vista, sadly, because I have 768MB of RAM in my machine, the biggest it can get, where Vista is supposidly requiring 1GB of RAM. I have the hard drive, the DVD burner, the video card, everything except for the memory.

I do agree with what you say on how Vista won't be very successful in other countries that use a lot of outdated computers. Heck, the $100 laptop makes kids happy since they only started to give them away recently if I can recall.

There's nothing wrong with my Windows XP install, and installing a new OS right now would make more headaches for me - as I think they're supposed to be coming out with like over 5 different versions of Vista ?

To be perfectly honest I remember Microsoft boasting about Vista (Longhorn at the time when I remember this) that it was their next project back in like 2003, and here it is 2006 and they're not done with it yet. The keep delaying the release date and it never seems to come.

The funny this is that they still sell Windows 98 and Windows 2000 for the same market price at MicroCenter as when they came out, with Windows XP being the same price as those too.

- Mike.
clip
i think vista isn't much different from XP. we all know that Vista's focusing on media and stuff, and there's only a few new features for developers. I'll probably stick to XP unless tons of positive reviews come out for Vista.

It's gonna be a very expensive upgrade if I'd switch to Vista
kiranaghor
Xp is more than enough for anybody. switching to Vista costs a lot. more RAM, faster processor and more resources.
ashik
Big games guys like EPIC and ID already support linux.... even EA is trying to get into the act... Well Linux is growing ... and there is nothing the guys at redmond can do about it....

plus the Huge system requirements of vista is sure to put off users.... i know it wud certainly do so.. here in India... they shld care abt users who dont have razor edge performance computers.....
Bones
ashik wrote:
Big games guys like EPIC and ID already support linux.... even EA is trying to get into the act... Well Linux is growing ... and there is nothing the guys at redmond can do about it....

plus the Huge system requirements of vista is sure to put off users.... i know it wud certainly do so.. here in India... they shld care abt users who dont have razor edge performance computers.....


Linux has a LONG way to go before it will ever have any effect on Windows. Not that I don't like it, I actually really like Suse, but more because the 'average' computer user doesn't have a hope of ever learning linux. The average user is lucky if they can us an easy OS like Windows let alone linux.

I think that's one of the main reasons that the game companies haven't jumped on the linux bandwagon yet. I do know, that if Linux ever catches up to Windows in the gaming industry, it wouldn't take me long to switch over.

Vista have huge requirements? I disagree. I would recommend a 1.5Ghz cpu and 1G ram to start..seeing as you cant even buy 1.5Ghz cpu's new anymore, (at least in my area), I wouldn't exactly call that cutting edge hardware. They are building an OS based on current hardware, not gramma's 8 year old pc Wink
Da Rossa
I'm affraid that Microsoft will cease the support for XP soon.

So far, from this topic, I see that Vista will have the vector text, a more focused to media environment, demands 1GB of RAM, being better to use 2, few tools for developers and a threat that at the beginning the gamers will suffer to play their games. Is everything correct?
lococobra
Will Vista be necesary? Probably not for a while... just like XP wasn't.

Vista will be running Direct X 10.0 which is going to completely revolutionize gaming. More and more common we will see things like physics cards built in to computer in adition to a graphics card... The OS will (supposedly) be rock solid when it comes to many of the issues today. Problems like not being able to uninstall windows services will be fixed.

It's going to look amazing, and have very nice features. At one point I heard that any unused external space (such as a jump drive) will be used as RAM, meaning that you could upgrade your RAM by 1 gb just by having a clean 1 gb jump drive in the computer... I do not know this to be a fact.

All media codecs will be re-done to utilize space more effectively... basicly anything you gripe about in XP should be fixed. Oh of course there will be other problems.. but for a while we should all be in a moderately blissfull state of content with our computers... then they will become outdated and we will gripe some more.
LethcanAernis
You all people makes me SCARED!

Windows Vista is a huge step and a lot better then Windows XP!

There is two views in this: For home users and for Company users.

For Company users Windows Vista is a hit! you can now REALLY make users too NOT be local admin and it works well. You have a new encryption that works very well. Users can restore deleted files with a few mouse click and even if they overwrite an old file they can with Shadow Copy restore it. You can easy do an image of your computer (like ghost). You have a lot higher security.. in Internet Explorer /.. I can go on and on!
Yesterday I tested Speech REcognition... I could without using keyboard and mouse do everything... command to dictate in word what I said.. start Internet Explorer with my voice and surf with my voice.

For home users I see a lot of good things too.. a lot multimedia related...
you also have defragment on the go... it defrag as you work so your file system will always be fast!

You DON'T need 1G of RAM to run Vista... You can run it with 512Mb EASY! and you don't need a super graphic card to run vista! Sure if you want to use Aero and the cool 3D functions you need a very good 3D card. but if you don't have it you can run it in the other 3 graphic moods...

This is the required hardare
Vista Capable
Processor 800 MHz
Memory 512 MB RAM
GPU DirectX 9 capable
GPU Memory 32 MB RAM
HDD 20 GB
HDD type Normal
Other drives CD-ROM (prefered DVD drive)

Processes are smarter handled in Vista, a virus scan will be low prioritied so it will not lock your programs like XP does.

I be happy to answer any questions, I use Windows Vista and tested it hard.
LethcanAernis
lococobra wrote:


It's going to look amazing, and have very nice features. At one point I heard that any unused external space (such as a jump drive) will be used as RAM, meaning that you could upgrade your RAM by 1 gb just by having a clean 1 gb jump drive in the computer... I do not know this to be a fact.


Certain Flash memories that are supported (and fast) can be used as extra RAM. ReadyBoost:

ReadyBoost makes PCs running Windows Vista more responsive by using flash memory on a USB 2.0 drive, SD Card, Compact Flash, or other form of flash memory, in order to boost system performance. It does this by caching pages moved out of conventional RAM to the USB/Flash drive before falling back to the slower conventional hard drive. This is optional, and the choice to utilize this feature is presented to the user during Autostart, when the drive is first plugged in.
ashik
wat i meant was that here in india 1.5 ghz proc are ok... but 1G ram .. is something big... i havent used a beta VISTA... i have read from some reviews that they had to put in atleast 2G ram to play some games...

i dont know if its true .. but if it is.. that a bit too much dont u think....

Yes Linux has a long way to go.... but think... people consider using windows much more easier... why... because they have been using it for a long time... and prob.. some have only used windows in their entire computing lives... if u have only used Linux.. then its is more easier to use.... if u have only used MAC its more easier to use....

a friend of mine have been using linux for abt 6-7 yrs.. he finds using linux more easier and fast than using windows...me... i am just 50-50...
Da Rossa
LethcanAernis wrote:
You all people makes me SCARED!

Windows Vista is a huge step and a lot better then Windows XP!

There is two views in this: For home users and for Company users.

For Company users Windows Vista is a hit! you can now REALLY make users too NOT be local admin and it works well. You have a new encryption that works very well. Users can restore deleted files with a few mouse click and even if they overwrite an old file they can with Shadow Copy restore it. You can easy do an image of your computer (like ghost). You have a lot higher security.. in Internet Explorer /.. I can go on and on!
Yesterday I tested Speech REcognition... I could without using keyboard and mouse do everything... command to dictate in word what I said.. start Internet Explorer with my voice and surf with my voice.

For home users I see a lot of good things too.. a lot multimedia related...
you also have defragment on the go... it defrag as you work so your file system will always be fast!

You DON'T need 1G of RAM to run Vista... You can run it with 512Mb EASY! and you don't need a super graphic card to run vista! Sure if you want to use Aero and the cool 3D functions you need a very good 3D card. but if you don't have it you can run it in the other 3 graphic moods...

This is the required hardare
Vista Capable
Processor 800 MHz
Memory 512 MB RAM
GPU DirectX 9 capable
GPU Memory 32 MB RAM
HDD 20 GB
HDD type Normal
Other drives CD-ROM (prefered DVD drive)

Processes are smarter handled in Vista, a virus scan will be low prioritied so it will not lock your programs like XP does.

I be happy to answer any questions, I use Windows Vista and tested it hard.


This is happy news. However, your're the very first one that told too much about the OS, specially about the minimal configuration. Did you run a beta version to evaluate?
Thanks Lethcan!
socialoutcast
I'm not convinced that Vista will make as big as slash as people think it might. Personally, I think for an OS, it uses up way to much system resouces. such resources would be better spent on user running user programs and tasks and not some over-glorified visually stemulated user interface.

Besides, I tried to install a beta version on one of my other computers with only an 8 GIG harddrive, and it would install because the harddrive wasn't big enough for the decompression from the dvd. Vista beta requires at least 12GIGS of disk space just for the install. That's insane! Try to convince me that that's not an effient for the OS.

The 'ol 486s would still make excelent computers to run newer distros of linux. I think microsoft keeps raising the minimum system requirments just so that people are forced to upgrade their computers just so that they can keep selling Windows.
Da Rossa
socialoutcast wrote:
I'm not convinced that Vista will make as big as slash as people think it might. Personally, I think for an OS, it uses up way to much system resouces. such resources would be better spent on user running user programs and tasks and not some over-glorified visually stemulated user interface.

Besides, I tried to install a beta version on one of my other computers with only an 8 GIG harddrive, and it would install because the harddrive wasn't big enough for the decompression from the dvd. Vista beta requires at least 12GIGS of disk space just for the install. That's insane! Try to convince me that that's not an effient for the OS.

The 'ol 486s would still make excelent computers to run newer distros of linux. I think microsoft keeps raising the minimum system requirments just so that people are forced to upgrade their computers just so that they can keep selling Windows.


I didn't understand the last part. Why would M$ raise the minimum reqs just to sell more Windows? If it worked in all comps, then it would be a more democratic system so people from more countries would manage to use it, if they got.
Bones
ashik wrote:
wat i meant was that here in india 1.5 ghz proc are ok... but 1G ram .. is something big... i havent used a beta VISTA... i have read from some reviews that they had to put in atleast 2G ram to play some games...

i dont know if its true .. but if it is.. that a bit too much dont u think....

Yes Linux has a long way to go.... but think... people consider using windows much more easier... why... because they have been using it for a long time... and prob.. some have only used windows in their entire computing lives... if u have only used Linux.. then its is more easier to use.... if u have only used MAC its more easier to use....

a friend of mine have been using linux for abt 6-7 yrs.. he finds using linux more easier and fast than using windows...me... i am just 50-50...


Good points, I guess I never thought of what was available in different countries as far as hardware goes. 2G ram may sound like a lot now, but it wont be soon. 32M ram sounded like a lot a few years back, but now a pc with 32M ram is useless.
Xcelerate
I think that people will stick with something that they are already comfortable with. For one thing, there are more than enough complaints about Windows as it is, so will people think "Huh, I bet the new version is much better and will fix everything" or will they think "Hmm, I bet the new version is just more problems". Besides, Windows works well enough for simple tasking for the majority of people, so there's no reason to shell out any more money for something better.
Da Rossa
You mentioned a good point, Xcel.
But about the raise of the minimal requirements: does it make sense that, when people end up with a new product in the stores, just like a brand new 3D game, that demands more resources, then they would think that those extra hardware needed are there for a reason: maybe maaany things have improved?
yfccluster6
Upgrading and shifting to Vista as of this time is not yet necessary... Facing the fact that it is still in its beta release, meaning it is not that stable... And even the full version is released, many undiscovered bugs and incompabilities with hardwares are yet to be observed..

Vista, otherwise, needs a fast computing system to meet its hardware requirements...

So your computer must also be ready for it.. Very Happy Very Happy
Da Rossa
Conclusion so far:
For the first months of the Final Vista, maybe the first year, stay in XP. Upgrade only when you buy a good hardware kit or Microsoft threatens to cease support for XP.
LethcanAernis
yfccluster6 wrote:
Upgrading and shifting to Vista as of this time is not yet necessary... Facing the fact that it is still in its beta release, meaning it is not that stable... And even the full version is released, many undiscovered bugs and incompabilities with hardwares are yet to be observed..

Vista, otherwise, needs a fast computing system to meet its hardware requirements...

So your computer must also be ready for it.. Very Happy Very Happy


Wow this thread is alive Smile
To Upgrade to Vista might not be necessary for people who only use word and Internet explorer and don't care about Security. But for most of the rest... it will be an improvment.. a huge one. Yes money is an issue.. MAYBE new hardware will be needed.. but for sure a licens (we don't use pirate copies I hope!)

It is past Beta now! it is in Release Candidate! so not Beta.. it is much more close to finish product. I run it now and it is very stable. Problem with drivers but that is normal for a OS that isn't on the market. I got one Blue Screen when I was in sleep mode so yes it is not perfect yet. But not in beta sadium for sure!

And you know why there is PreReleases? so that when the "full" version is out there will be less hardware errors etc.. don't expect Vista to come out and there will be a lot of problems.. that was tru for Windows NT and Window 98.. hardware worked fine with XP already 2001 when it was released. but security was horrible.. I don't think we will see that with Vista.
LethcanAernis
Da Rossa wrote:


This is happy news. However, your're the very first one that told too much about the OS, specially about the minimal configuration. Did you run a beta version to evaluate?
Thanks Lethcan!


Thank you Da Rossa!
I ran Beta 2 and now RC1 of Vista.
It works pretty good. Nearly everyone has problem to find drivers for their hardware. You need to use old drivers or install them in certain ways. But when Vista is released public for everyone to buy all the grapic cards maker will have Vista drivers to use.
sceptileex
I thought 1 gig was too mucn, tho now that 512 is alright shld be better for most people, but im still doubtful, mainly beacuse up to now there hasnt been much improvement. Seriously, when everyone's complaining about how deleted files dont really delete, i dont see how the hell im gonna start cheering about the fact that now they can be restored in a few clicks. For the average home user, i guess its alright.
legion
i got some serious problems with vista concerning all those drivers my comp need it

but the graphics are really cool
Da Rossa
Is downloading drivepacks from sources other than the product manufacturer's site considered illegal? I got a 1GB (460MB packed) drive compilation named "Every Driver for Any Windows". There should contain something, huh Razz - There are drivers for many devices.
But do they seem to work on Vista, acording to the poor description I gave?
ashik
here.. we have costly hardware... but yeah.. soon we will see the cost come down dramatically... then we might me able to handle all the hardware purchases....

everyone says AERO glass looks really cool.....
Jupernia
Vista is a ripoff. Right now the beta makes you feel like you are useing WinME. The desktops look like your useing an Apple but with a Linux feel. My uncle was asked to test Vista at his job, and they gave him a laptop with it. So far, it's not worth the amount of money you will have to pay to own it.
{name here}
There is not reason an OS should need over 256 MB to bootup without going into virtual memory. The install should calibrate the install to the system specs and load only what is needed after install bootup. I don't think you need 256 MB to load the standard environment and features of 98, ME, 2000, nor XP with the themes process killed and performance enhanced.
surdy
I don't think i need it . With its high cost and high system requirements i don't think i'am going for it.

All i find is better graphics and multemedia and functionality in it with huge load on system resources.

I am not going for vista.
Da Rossa
Da Rossa wrote:
Is downloading drivepacks from sources other than the product manufacturer's site considered illegal? I got a 1GB (460MB packed) drive compilation named "Every Driver for Any Windows". There should contain something, huh Razz - There are drivers for many devices.
But do they seem to work on Vista, acording to the poor description I gave?


Anyone?? Very Happy
{name here}
Da Rossa wrote:
Da Rossa wrote:
Is downloading drivepacks from sources other than the product manufacturer's site considered illegal? I got a 1GB (460MB packed) drive compilation named "Every Driver for Any Windows". There should contain something, huh Razz - There are drivers for many devices.
But do they seem to work on Vista, acording to the poor description I gave?


Anyone?? Very Happy

It is legal as long as the EULA does say something about it being a violation. However, I think that in most cases this may void the warranty since you are using a 3rd party source that could mess up your computer.
cuckoo
Well we've held our breath since 2001 from XP to wait for the next major update... If it's coming out 5 or 6 years later, it better be good Razz

It looks like Mac OSX!!
ashik
the interface looks similar to mac... but some real good features are there... hope they deliver wat they are promising... plus i am looking forward to direct x 10...
cheeta
only one thing i needed to know... which is vista wont run cool on my AMD 2600 XP with 512DDR

thats it... if it dont runs... why thinking about any thing else... execpt MS will give free Core2DUO based system with Vista :p
Indyan
I installed Vista RC1. It is quite responsive and no problems with stability either. However, the start menu annoys me. I liked the way it behaved earlier.
dbaker6165
First, to all the windows haters(lol), I want to say that I like the idea behind Linux and it has made many significant steps towards being a "mouse only" OS but Microsoft understands how to make a true plug and play OS. I will kind of agree that Vista is really just XP with a bunch of integrated third party software rolled into one (with better driver support). But Windows is the best OS around (but I say this with a grain of salt). That is IF linux had thousands (like microsoft) of paid engineers working on the os and thousands of third party software suppliers, Linux could make a dent in Microsofts financial economy. But then again, Apple has the support that linux users can only dream of and they can barely compete with Microsoft. As for Vista, I like it alot.... only complaints I have is that it takes all the fun out of installing drivers and certain software Sad
Da Rossa
cheeta wrote:
only one thing i needed to know... which is vista wont run cool on my AMD 2600 XP with 512DDR

thats it... if it dont runs... why thinking about any thing else... execpt MS will give free Core2DUO based system with Vista :p


I wanna know that too, mine is very similar, AMD AthlonXP 2800+ and 512ddr. What can I use, what can't I?
redice
Gaming is program too. If other program run on vista, the game did. It maybe some of the libraries such as DirectX not install or not compatible version. It will be fixed by M$ or the gaming company.
Bones
Saber wrote:
one reason some think they got rid of longhorn as a code name because people were making long jokes
-saber


Umm every OS has a codename before release that changes. Xp was called Windows Whistler, and the next version of Windows was going to be codenamed Windows Blackcomb (It will be Windows Vienna now). All named after famous ski areas in British Columba Canada (hmm I think one of those might have been in the US)

So of course longhorn changed...the codename ALWAYS changes.
Simulator
Hi All! I'm a real newbie when it comes to Vista, and I have just gotton the RC1 version on a disk but I have run into two problems:

1: If I go to install it from the dekstop it says I need to have 306mb space to hold the tempoary files while installing... I have way way way over that but yet it still says it

2: If I boot into it from restarting it says that my partition is not ready for Vista, my laptop has the Vista Capable sticker and everything, but it won't accept any partition I try

I've tryed restarting, reformatting, recreating

Any Ideas?
mtoni
Uhm.. I think microsoft is expanding its gaming-territory with Vista
First: DirectX 10
Second: Live

This 'live' opens a whole new network of gaming.. You can play on a pc against a Xbox etc via Live

You can check highscores via your mobile.

So I don't think that you can't play games on Vista
UWereTheOne
coreymanshack wrote:
they aren't taking away backwards compatilibility.. the only problem is that vista is for 64bit processors... and the old games are 32bit.... they may have a lil trouble there with the conversion... or there may be no problems at all with is... i'm not for sure cuz i've never built an OS.


Uhm, Vista is for both. There's an x86 and an x64 version. That means if you get the x86 version, and you have an x86 processor, your x86 games should work just fine. But my friend has a x64 processor and the x64 version of Vista Beta2, and all his games work just fine. He has CS1.6, WoW, Battlefield2, Freelancer, AOE3, SW:EAW, AA:SF, and some others that I can't remember now.
UWereTheOne
I had the Beta 2 for about, oh, 5 days on my laptop. For the first two or three days it was installing. I started it installing one Thursday night in June, at around 9, I left to Indianapolis Friday morning with it still installing, got back Saturday night around 11, and it still wasn't done. That was just a glitch though. It wouldn't let me exit the install, so I just turned it off, tried again, and it worked in an hour. I thought it was great for a few minutes. About 3. Then, I tried to install the right graphics driver so my resolution wasn't stuck at 800x600 instead of the normal 1280x800. It told me to reboot. When I rebooted it said it was booting incorrectly, and did I want to boot with 'Last Known Good Config.' I said yes. I then tried installing the driver again, wash, rinse, repeat about 10 times. The same went for my wifi driver. I delt with it for a couple of days, just plugging straight into the ethernet and giving up on any of my favorite apps. Then the next Tuesday I finally found my MCE 2005 cds, and installed those. Apart from the whole driver thing, it seems really wonderful... Wink Seriously, my friend has it on his desktop and it works great, all the games work fine with it too. I don't have a desktop yet, but I'll be building one late December or early January, and I'll get Vista, but that's just because I know someone who gets the Microsoft Software Action Pack, which has had XP previously, so it will probably come with the business copy of Vista. Also I'll be making double sure my hardware has the right drivers before I install.
PseudoKnight
I would highly recommend NOT upgrading to Vista with your current machines. Only consider it with new computers. There isn't anything Vista that will be necessary or so useful that you'll want to upgrade in the first year. There's bound to be issues with the OS in the first year anyway. Wait until you buy a new computer with a DX10 video card before considering Vista.
UWereTheOne
Yeah, that's what I'm doing. (Getting it with a new PC)
rayx
htmlrules wrote:
i would prefer to get linux much better in performance and is more user friendly

But not all games support linux.
rohan2kool
as uweretheone put it, installation is simple:

Install
Wait
Wait
Wait
Install finishes
Wait
Wait
Boot error
Wait
Recover with Vista CD
Wait
Wait
Run Vista
Wait
Run Vista
Wait
Uninstall
Boot error
Reinstall Windows XP
Live happilly ever after Very Happy
caroline
i think it's useless - my computer doens't meet the hardware requirements. also, it's way uglier, and too expensive.
rohan2kool
i don't think vista is ugly.. vista is cool, stylish.. but the resources it sucks up don't seem to be justified.
budazz
Vista will be i think after 3 years... since vista required and high resource req. You dont want to change your hardwares for vista
mOrpheuS
{name here} wrote:
There is not reason an OS should need over 256 MB to bootup without going into virtual memory. The install should calibrate the install to the system specs and load only what is needed after install bootup. I don't think you need 256 MB to load the standard environment and features of 98, ME, 2000, nor XP with the themes process killed and performance enhanced.

Back when I was an under-grad, my Windows 98 ran great on my Pentium system at under 32 MB without falling back to virtual memory.

Things ... change.

In Vista RC1, Explorer.exe alone is taking up 28MB on my machine as I write this.

But that can be attributed to the numerous shell handlers and the new enhanced search feature.

p.s. - With DWM (AeroGlass) and Themes turned off, my Vista RC1 installation does boot up in ~267MB, Virtual memory disabled.
UWereTheOne
Thanks for the great summary, rohan2kool.
And mOrpheuS, I forgot to mention this when I said my friend's desktop with Vista works fine, he's also had trouble with programs using up too much RAM. Once when I was at his house there was a program, Search Protocol Host, I believe, and it was using about 1.5GB of his 2GB page file... It took us trying about 50 times to End Task. Then, five minutes later it was back and kept doubling from a few kilobytes back up to a gig. Last week he bought a new hard drive and is now dual-booting XP and Vista, he keeps telling me about how Vista used up a gig of RAM, and at times XP only uses 78 MB, or something like that.
mOrpheuS
UWereTheOne wrote:
Thanks for the great summary, rohan2kool.
And mOrpheuS, I forgot to mention this when I said my friend's desktop with Vista works fine, he's also had trouble with programs using up too much RAM. Once when I was at his house there was a program, Search Protocol Host, I believe, and it was using about 1.5GB of his 2GB page file... It took us trying about 50 times to End Task. Then, five minutes later it was back and kept doubling from a few kilobytes back up to a gig. Last week he bought a new hard drive and is now dual-booting XP and Vista, he keeps telling me about how Vista used up a gig of RAM, and at times XP only uses 78 MB, or something like that.

Well, I'm not having troubles with any program taking too much memory.
~30MB for Vista's Explorer is pretty standard.

What I meant to say is that depending upon what a particular program or OS component can accomplish (and how intelligently) it will take more or less RAM.
There should be no surprise if the modern desktop OS boots up taking more than 256 RAM.

As for your friend's problem, there seem to be a few isolated cases of the windows search service using excessive memory.
Just disabling this service should fix this issue.
Vista really shouldn't be using gigabytes of RAM under normal usage.

I'm using Vista as the OS for my daily use, and the RAM usage varies from 300 to 550 MB depending upon the running applications. And that's with all the Aero Glass bells and whistles enabled !
I suppose that should be acceptable to most people even with their current machines ... not to mention the capabilities of the common-place hardware in a years time.
UWereTheOne
Yeah, he's also been using it for daily use as well, and other than a couple times with the SearchProtocolHost it's been running fine.
Bones
The people mentioning long install times..it depends on what build you are using. Build 5384 took almost an hour to install on my pc, 5381 took 90 minutes. With RC1 it took under 30 minutes (all clean installs because IMO upgrades are just begging for problems, especially with a beta)

I honestly don't understand what all the grumbling is about really (everywhere not here in these forums).
If your pc can handle Vista, get it if you want..if you don't want it or your pc can't handle it, don't get it. Many people are actually angry about Vista (boggles the mind I know)

I really like Vista so far, but will stick with XP for a bit to see how the Vista launch goes.

After a service pack, I think it should be a decent OS. I know from a troubleshooting standpoint, Vista wipes the floor with XP
neosree
I got the RC1, it is really nice experience. This is the first time I am getting my hands on Vista. I can play games with XP compatibility mode, with almost the same frame rates (only some less for some specific games) that XP gives. Anyway vista is going to be the OS of coming years. Vista will replace XP gradually, just like Windows 98 replaced by XP.
coreymanshack
yea as much as i dont want to... i'll probably end up getting it...
Bones
But if you don't want to use Vista, why would you bother getting it?
coreymanshack
lol.... it's not that i dont want to... it's just that i'm so used to xp, and i don't want to pay for windows vista....I'll just have to steal one of my friends keys or something Razz
ashik
i think the huge mem requirement is due to bcoz its beta... i think they will fix it by the final release.... yeah ... i hope....

i read somewhere that a guy needed 2gb ram to play games... that sucks
coreymanshack
ashik wrote:
i think the huge mem requirement is due to bcoz its beta... i think they will fix it by the final release.... yeah ... i hope....

i read somewhere that a guy needed 2gb ram to play games... that sucks


Some games require 2GB of ram... don't ask why Razz
Manofgames
i think that vista will be ok.

from what i've seen it looks like microsofts gone

'we need something, something new, something borrowed'

new stuff : Graphics icons, themes and interface etc....
Something borrowed : ermm.... a little help here??

not quite sure what the borrowed stuff could be.

was going to say microsoft's problems, but they cant borrow them.

I think that if u want to try Vista, it be better to start from scratch (ie new disk so as not to screw up ur old one) thataway u see wht microsoft wants to market, without the risk of losing ur old pc Smile
ashik
Well Microsoft has a long history of borrowing things.... Razz ...

it started from the earliest of windows Wink

dont worry... Vista will have to come around nicely... Microsoft's future in OSs might be resting on it... they wont fail.... atleast not by much.. Razz
coreymanshack
I wont need windows vista for anything probably, so I'll jsut stick with xp, and last night a downloaded the eye candy that is coming out on vista for my xp. Now xp looks exactly like vista Smile I am so good Razz
Manofgames
coreymanshack wrote:
I wont need windows vista for anything probably, so I'll jsut stick with xp, and last night a downloaded the eye candy that is coming out on vista for my xp. Now xp looks exactly like vista Smile I am so good Razz


i din't understand anything after you said you'd stick with xp
coreymanshack
Manofgames wrote:
coreymanshack wrote:
I wont need windows vista for anything probably, so I'll jsut stick with xp, and last night a downloaded the eye candy that is coming out on vista for my xp. Now xp looks exactly like vista Smile I am so good Razz


i din't understand anything after you said you'd stick with xp

my xp looks exactly like vista...
Manofgames
oh, cool @)
mOrpheuS
coreymanshack wrote:
I wont need windows vista for anything probably, so I'll jsut stick with xp

How about DirectX 10 ?

Don't you play games ?
Just wait till you see the things game developers will be able to do with it. Wink

For me that is going to be the single biggest reason to upgrade.
coreymanshack
mOrpheuS wrote:
coreymanshack wrote:
I wont need windows vista for anything probably, so I'll jsut stick with xp

How about DirectX 10 ?

Don't you play games ?
Just wait till you see the things game developers will be able to do with it. Wink

For me that is going to be the single biggest reason to upgrade.


I'm a developer and barely ever play games... but I can just download directx10 no problem.
Bondings
coreymanshack wrote:
I'm a developer and barely ever play games... but I can just download directx10 no problem.

DirectX 10 is Vista only, not supported by Windows XP due to some new driver management which isn't available in XP.
jon9314
i got the rc1 does anyonr know what they changed? i think its agreat os just curious if there is differences from beta2?
azzum
This isnt scheduled to come out until Januery 2007. If you've ever tried and of the beta version of windows you would know that they are FULL of bugs. I'm confident the actual release will be better then the current version of windows (although it really doesnt take much to do that lol). Im just glad that windows is finally making a 64 bit version.
shoes22
I urge you all to read Paul Thurott's development articles on Windows Vista, he tracks down changes feature by feature and reviews them.
fadirocks
it worked on
IBM ThinkPad T42 2373-6VU
1.7GHz Centrino
ATI Mobile 7500 32MB

my friend tried it on 512MB RAM and it wasn't enough so he is getting more RAM

so far not too many problems but had to get Beta version for Cisco VPN program

Foxit Reader installer didn't go but Foxit Editor did hmm weird! and that's about it and I'm not going to try anytime soon my machine
ammonkc
I tried the latest release VISTA (RC1) and I'm not impressed. it basically xp with a little bit more eyecandy. it still feels like xp, and its still windows. its gonna suck no matter what microsoft does. they should give up on their windows kernal and try to build windows from the ground up around a linux kernal. if it was based on linux then maybe it wouldn't suck so bad. all of these windows security and stablity issues is only making linux look like a better alternative os.
Kd527
I installed (legally) RC1 on my PC. Everything made by Microsoft crashed all the time! About the only thing I could do was use Firefox. I would launch an application and it would crash shortly after. Sidebar wouldn't stay running long enough to use it. There was also no sound at all and it seemed to be missing some graphics drivers. Downloading and installing drivers seemed to make it worse!

Hopefully this is an isolated incident, but wow...
S3nd K3ys
http://news.yahoo.com/s/cmp/20061003/tc_cmp/193101281 wrote:

McAfee Slams Microsoft Over Vista Security

Mon Oct 2, 5:34 PM ET

McAfee joined rival Symantec by taking its beef with Microsoft over Windows Vista public on Monday, saying that the new operating system's approach to security will pose "unnecessary risks to the consumer."

In a full-page ad in the day's Financial Times, and in an interview Monday afternoon, McAfee said that by locking access to the kernel in Vista, Microsoft was also locking out critical access by security vendors to the core of the operating system.



M$ using threats and deception again to try to get the upper hand in the software market.
Xeniczone
Quote:
ts gonna suck no matter what microsoft does. they should give up on their windows kernal and try to build windows from the ground up around a linux kernal. if it was based on linux then maybe it wouldn't suck so bad. all of these windows security and stablity issues is only making linux look like a better alternative os.


LOL, I love it. I can see the head lines now.

Microsoft trashes Windows old kernal by users demand to build from the ground up on a Unix based OS.

Where have a seen this before. O, yes APPLE DID IT AND IT KICKS ASS. NOW MICROSOFT SHOULD TO.
alienjones
Successfully installed RC1 on a Pentium 3 @ 800MHz, 256 mb RAM yesterday. Slow as hell but running stable at least. I guess I'm gonna stay with xp for 2 more years. Vista will be "finished" by then Wink
fadirocks
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,127428-pg,1-RSS,RSS/article.html

Quote:
Microsoft today released what it believes will be the last test version of Windows Vista before the product goes to manufacturing.


Let's count the crashes & security holes Razz
LethcanAernis
Microsoft Windows is marketing leader on desktop OS.

Windows Vista is comparing to Windows XP a hige different, those who don't agree don't know how XP and Vista works.

When you work in a large network and you need to let your users be local admins on their windows XP it causes problems. This is solved in Vista.
A very good hard disk encrytion exist in some versions of Vista.

Vista PE will be ready for everyone buy Vista, Windows XP PE exists but only for company with special agrements with Microsoft.

Aero view in Vista, wonderful, the new serach function rocks. the list can be longer.

I run Vista RC1 and it works perfect a bit hard to get drivers for everything but that is normal for an OS that doesn't exist.

To use Windows on Linux kernel? you people are crazy! all API and everything created by Microsoft must be recreated? and sold for nearly free? I think the salary at MS will go down and the company with it.

I be back Smile
sevensealscomputing
So far, I can say that honestly, Vista's so so.
Graphically it kicks ass, probably one of the better ones so far. Unfortunately, a lot of the programs don't seem to work well.

From my own experience:

1. Realtek audio update seems to crash the system
2. PostgreSQL doesn't work (I've reported it to postgresql).
3. Apache Doesn't work (I think this and postgresql have the same issue).
fadirocks
sevensealscomputing wrote:
So far, I can say that honestly, Vista's so so.
Graphically it kicks ***, probably one of the better ones so far. Unfortunately, a lot of the programs don't seem to work well.

From my own experience:

1. Realtek audio update seems to crash the system
2. PostgreSQL doesn't work (I've reported it to postgresql).
3. Apache Doesn't work (I think this and postgresql have the same issue).


for Apache, did you compile it, downloaded pre-compiled for Vista or just used an installation setup for XP?

I recommend that you download a proper compiled apache for Vista or compile by yourself Very Happy
ahsanrao
am not a programer or sumthing like that,,, but i liked vista....

i installed it once but i didnt have audio driver so again came back to xp.. they should fix it i think... except sound it was running stable.. as far my needs are concerned which are limited.. dnt know abt the complex functions .. but i like it.
romaop
My experience with Vista is not that good. It takes a lot to restart. Also there are a lot of security concerns because this is a new technology with probably a lot of new flaws.
I agree with alienjones that this new system is still a child and only with 2 years usage will become enoughly robust.
Xeniczone
Their was something about Nortan and McAfee complaining about making sucurity software for Vista because of all the sucurity holes or something like that.
jooize
Vista go built-in DRM and uses TCPA, so I'm going to totally boycott Vista.
Read more about TCPA at Against TCPA
You won't be able to use third-party programs that aren't accepted by Microsoft, so open source in Windows will DIE (?).

I use Linux but for those Windows users there will be problems for them, but please reply if this is incorrect.

Linux FTW! Razz
krafte
cant wait myself... building new pc for it just need the cpu and its gonna be a monster for vista and gaming cant wait soon!!
AdvanceHQ
Well my friends tried the vista and they tried it on a game that is suitable for XP, guess what the game closes itself and restart the whole com. I hope this problem will be solve eventually in the final release. I cannot have a chance to try out the Vista as mine XP is bought 3 years ago. You know XP since it released already 5 years. Well I like the Aero Feature but i heard from my friend that Vista is slow and always crash. Slow maybe for better security but what about crash?
So I debating should i buy Vista
Petee
My experience with Vista so far has not been an entirely pleasant one. First off, it hates my video card (Nvidia 6200). When running with the Nvidia driver I get the bluescreen and autorestart, so I have to use a generic video driver for it, meaning no 3D acceleration Crying or Very sad Also, it's boot loader won't let me start XP, so I just deleted it's boot loader completely and use XP now. I've been looking for an alternate boot loader but have yet to find a good free one.

Anyway, despite it's obvious flaws so far, I am starting to "warm up" to this new OS. I like the look and feel of it and it's new features are nice. When it comes out, I fully intend to get a new computer with Vista on it. Very Happy
angel_of_death
will vista even work in older pcs Question
it seems to be so advanced(if space occupied is a measure of tech) Very Happy
Dragonfly-online
well, on windowsvista.com, it provides the minimum and reccomended system requirements, so you know wheteher your PC is applicable. I downloaded RC1, and then the ISO file didnt burn right... so now i gotta get a new DVD+R and burn it AGAIN... Ugh, but if ya read all the stuff windows has on it, I JUST CANT WAIT! Its gonna be great...
01000101
ok, im a linux/unix user down to the bone, but i must admit, as a network security person, it isnt all that bad.

It is not total shite. The eye candy is quite amazing, must admit, kinda gives a KDE feel. I did some tests over the lan, with packet sniffers and other various tools to try and break in, and then compared the same tools but used on XP pro, and Vista is a MAJOR upgrade from XP. it severely reduces man in the middle attacks with better certificate encryption + just a general security upgrade. So in that sense its nice.

Also, kinda dumb, but the speech recognition system is quite good. i thought id have to talk all synthesised or robotic, but i can talk casually and it will do as i ask. handy when doing something not needed visual attention.

Vista is deffinately a good start in MS's realization that *nix's are superior in security/infrastructure. its not really user friendly tho, if i didnt already know my way through system directory trees and whatnot, then the average person is gonna need the manual for a couple of hours figuring how to connect to the net haha.

Oh, and this is VERY IMPORTANT, PLZ READ IF YOU DO NOT HAVE VISTA BUT WISH TO DOWNLOAD IT!!!!!!!

burn the iso at the LOWEST speed possible. thats the major bug right now, literally half the users downloading and burning the iso, will stall+fail during installation due to a bug in the expansion directories, the solution is a slower burn + file checking afterwords. took many tries b4 i figured that out.

Pe@cE
Viralis
In relation to gmaes and Accelerated graphics on windows vista, the problems you are having with these are not the fault of the windows vista operating system but are infact caused by the version of Directx used by vista at the moment. Windows Vista is using an ioncomplete version of Directx 10, combine this with the fact that graphics drivers needed to run windows vista are still in the beta stages gaming or other advnaced graphical functions will not be possible until the release of Directx 10
neosree
I have downloaded windows Vista RC1 just in 1:45 hour, the fastest download I ever got. Thanks to microsoft server farms. Vista RC1 is very nice and it is going to take some time to deep mine it to unearth the hidden features that it have. As time goes I really feel a time will come when Vista takes the place of XP's position in these days. And the time is going to come soon maybe within 2 years or so. I like vista RC1 and am waiting for the final release, and I am gonna buy the ultimate edition.
eLto
LostOverThere wrote:
C'mon.
Vista is basically the same as XP, its based on it.

Windows/Vista Will always be targeted to make Virus' for etc.
And the coding is terrible.

Linux is good enough for me. Smile


you linux fanboy you Very Happy

honestly though, I tried the public beta that was out this summer, and I liked it. I do enjoy a good design with interesting features, full compatability and continus update. Also, I like very much having to install like 15 different anti-virus software to keep my machine nearly safe.
LethcanAernis
angel_of_death wrote:
will vista even work in older pcs Question
it seems to be so advanced(if space occupied is a measure of tech) Very Happy


Depends what you mean with older? many thinks you need a 3D card etc.. no no no! you can run Vista on a fairly old computer.
if you have 256RAM (who doesn't?) you can run Windows Vista.. but be carefully.. it is the minimum requirements.. you cqn basically run Vista but no program. If you have 512Mb if RAM you survive in Vista.. 1Gb you can run it really good.

So don't worry! with an older computer you can run Vista.. maybe not all cool features like Aero/encryption etc.. but you can use it still very well.
rfarrand
it is not going to be that great from my opinion...just a new visual look for end users to gape at and be ooo'ed and awww'ed for no reason at all...so far from testing it with my technet subscription i have not seen a whole lot of differences that are of any use for the end user or for the technicians...like i said...all visual ooo's and ahhh's ... lame
gursimran2006
hello..I found the prices of windows Vista,.it,s so expinsive ,

Vista Home Basic: $99.95 for upgrade, $199 for the full version;

Vista Home Premium: $159 for upgrade, $239 for the full version;

Vista Ultimate: $259 for upgrade, $399 for the full version;

Vista Business: $199 for upgrade, $299 for the full version;


I want Vista Ultimate Edition, I cann,t buy the legal version, so I,ll buy copy or maybe I,ll download its!!

note: these prices are final, it,s from Microsoft

so what you think about them?
and which edition you are planning to use?
gursimran2006
Please Read The following
Originally Posted by Windows IT Pro
According to a report in "The Wall Street Journal," Microsoft competitors Adobe and Symantec are behind recent European Union investigations into Microsoft's Windows XP successor, Vista. The two firms have lobbied the EU regulators to prevent Microsoft from shipping free features in Windows Vista that compete with products these companies now sell to consumers.

Adobe is complaining that Microsoft is offering technology that offers part of the functionality of Adobe's more powerful PDF format. What's different, apparently, is that Adobe charges customers to create PDF documents, while Microsoft's competing format, XPS (XML Paper Specification), is free. Adobe PDF is widely regarded as a de facto standard of sorts, thanks largely to Adobe's practice of giving away its Adobe Reader software, which can display, but not edit or create, PDF documents.

Symantec alleges that Microsoft's Security Center console in Windows Vista should be replaceable by third party software, despite the fact that Security Center can be populated with links to third party products, including Symantec's. Microsoft is even allowing third parties to brand Security Center with their own logos and icons. Symantec has also complained about a new security feature called Kernel PatchGuard that prevents software--malicious or otherwise--from altering the Windows kernel at runtime. In the past, security companies have been forced to patch the Windows kernel because so much malicious software does so as well. That process will not be possible in Windows Vista, which should make the system more secure. Symantec wants it removed.

Now, i know that some of you might see Microsoft like the big evil monster, trying to eat small competitors. Symantec is asking microsoft to release Vista with vulnerabilities so it take release the patch for it, and you can almost be sure that the eu will go with Adobe and symantec. What do you think
wiehls
Someone said Paul Thurrott and i do regularly check his blog. (winsupersite.com).
A thing i heard about is that virtualization can only be done with the more expensive versions. Meaning that mac users who want to virtualize it cant put the cheaper versioins without going againt the user agreement.
ashik
its bcoz of MS windows that companies like Symantec and so on.. and making a livng.... Wink

Yup Vista is looking good... but still, for me, Linux makes the day.....
gursimran2006
More clarification has come out from Microsoft regarding how Vista will treat changing hardware and activating the OS more than once. A lot of the fears have been misplaced, though overall Vista is still stricter than XP when it comes to keeping a system licensed properly. In particular, Vista will allow you to activate multiple times, just as Windows XP does. Changing most hardware, such as the CPU, RAM, video card and other components will not require re-activation, though swapping the motherboard and/or hard drive most likely will. If you do have to re-activate, assuming the amount of hardware changed is within the limit, you can do such up to 10 times. For most people, and in fact many enthusiasts, 10 times is probably enough to last the lifetime of a machine.

That won't help those who reinstall every 3 months or change motherboards all the time. In those cases, Microsoft would have to be contacted directly. At that point they can activate your machine again at their discretion, or choose not to. As expected, you can't have more than one machine activated at a time. Overall, it's not much different from XP. For or against activation, many companies aside from Microsoft use it and it is here to stay.
jon9314
Bones wrote:
The people mentioning long install times..it depends on what build you are using. Build 5384 took almost an hour to install on my pc, 5381 took 90 minutes. With RC1 it took under 30 minutes (all clean installs because IMO upgrades are just begging for problems, especially with a beta)

I honestly don't understand what all the grumbling is about really (everywhere not here in these forums).
If your pc can handle Vista, get it if you want..if you don't want it or your pc can't handle it, don't get it. Many people are actually angry about Vista (boggles the mind I know)

I really like Vista so far, but will stick with XP for a bit to see how the Vista launch goes.

After a service pack, I think it should be a decent OS. I know from a troubleshooting standpoint, Vista wipes the floor with XP

every relese i installed finnished in about 25-30 min i have 1.5gigs of ram and p4 3.2g hyperthreded on an intell 8xx perl board
jon9314
ashik wrote:
i think the huge mem requirement is due to bcoz its beta... i think they will fix it by the final release.... yeah ... i hope....

i read somewhere that a guy needed 2gb ram to play games... that sucks

the guy probably had slow ram and didn't require it to install but it ran too slow without adding more ram. get quality fast ram and you will not have problems
jon9314
shoes22 wrote:
I urge you all to read Paul Thurott's development articles on Windows Vista, he tracks down changes feature by feature and reviews them.

got an address?
ashik
probably... yes.. Vista should perform great on a PC with a Medium range processor with DDR2 support and abt 1GB DDR2 ram... Smile
tuncay
Has anyone tried it on a low-end computer yet (like a celeron or sempron with 512 mb ram) or so?

I know it doesn't fit the specs this way, but I wonder how it performs.
roach831
is this new operating system worth buying for? like does this have better programs what does it come with cause if it is exactlly like xp then hell nah i aint gonna buy that OS
ashik
well they have spent a lot of time imprivng VISTA... they say its better.. but we have to take that with a pinch of salt....

the graphics is cooll.. but an average user witha low end system is not likely to appreciate his system slowing down bcoz his OS desperately want to show off some glass effects....(there is an option to disable it, I think)...

but opverall they have all the people excited... well lets wait and see wat happens... Wink
arc9917
Does anyone know when there comming out with the cable card tuner that works with the Vista Media Center
mogchr
jon9314 wrote:
ashik wrote:
i think the huge mem requirement is due to bcoz its beta... i think they will fix it by the final release.... yeah ... i hope....

i read somewhere that a guy needed 2gb ram to play games... that sucks

the guy probably had slow ram and didn't require it to install but it ran too slow without adding more ram. get quality fast ram and you will not have problems


Well, Vista requires more system resources, which is bad for the users. I don't think I will end up making the switch to it, because Windows XP has all the same benefits if you just customize it correctly. Well, besides a few new technologies that just increase vulnerabilities, its the same os.
odinsrealm
i just hope companies get there lazy asses into gear and get drivers released faster then they did for xp...nothing worse that chasing up companies or scouring for drivers...
flameboy1974
I ran beta 1 for awile, then got board with all the problems. I currently am running a dual boot with beta 2 (which seems to be better). Alot of things I don't like (like all the pretty stuff). Cool looking operating systems are cooll for awile, but in the end you just want something that runs all of your programs and games with no problems (which we finally have with XP).
I do like that all of the settings and folder that pertain to a user are right there, you don't need to go searching. I also have noticed better support for wireless. I ran a "G" card and had almost half decent speeds, improved obver the speeds I was getting with XP.
I recently read that companies like McAfee and Norton are complaining because Micro won't give thier programs access to the kernal. In my opinion that is great. The less access the better. I am sure we can still virus scan without kernal access.
All in all I might buy it if I got it dirt cheap (unlikely), but otherwise XP works great for me.
WickedGravity
I am running the full deal Vista. No Beta's, RC's or anything else. I have found it to be, to my surprise I may add, a incredibly quick Operating System. The GUI is intuitive and there is nothing about it I don't like so far.

Mind you, I have a dual 3 Ghz Processor and a gig or RAM, so let's keep that in mind. It has a RAM and CPU monitor built in and I have never topped 50% of my RAM except during installs and what not.

The Control Panel is sweet and the options that always had to be dug for in the bowels of the registry are open and free to tweak.

If anyone wants screenshots or what not, go ahead and message me.

I have a few on my website at http://gentlereader.frihost.net/
Bones
I also have the full RTM release and have found that it seems to run pretty well on my system (Athlon XP 2500 cpu, 512M DDR ram, 128M Nvidia fx5500 gpu)

If I were to upgrade my ram and vid card I'm sure that Vista would scream on my pc as it runs pretty good now. Although I havent had a chance to test gaming on it yet.
tomahawk19
tuncay wrote:
Has anyone tried it on a low-end computer yet (like a celeron or sempron with 512 mb ram) or so?

I know it doesn't fit the specs this way, but I wonder how it performs.


I'm running RC1 on my 4 year old laptop. I't got integrated graphics, intel celeron, and 512 of RAM. It's slow, but I'm guessing only because there is all of the debugging software running. Other than that, no real hangups, wireless works fine without installing drivers no less. The only problems I've had are installing older programs because they aren't "compatible". But other than that, nice OS.
ashik
cool... plz tell how works in gaming scenarios.........
.. really looking forward for a good OS.....
handa
it seems really good.

Anyone tried developingfor it using vb6?

I want to try it but I don't know how to start.

What are the limitaton.

Has anyone seen a sample code for VB6 and vista?
Viralis
Only games that actually work on vista at the moment are theose from Valve as they are beta testing their software on the vista OS. other than that i wouldnt expect any other games to work since DirectX10 aint completed yet.
ravi_9793
I have been using vista rc1 from last 2 months.This is simply gr8 n best.awesome security...n even u dont need any antivirus for vista,for those who use it for simple surfing(home based).The only thing which I hate abt vista is its high price.I will suggest microsoft to reduce its price to abt half to make it more successful.
nigam
create Data folder on / then
mount /dev/hda /Data

that's how you mount windows C: from Linux. Linux still the best OS for me.
ahsanrao
i have installed Vista. the graphics was good .. but the most irritating thing was the Deivers. sounds and graphics. i managed somehow the graphic drivers but couldnot find the Voice. and ye it was pretty boring with no voice.
as i am not a technical person. so i like the graphics dont know what are the deffects in it .. but the drivers suks Very Happy
and i dont even know what drivers to download. so reinstalled the XP Very Happy
nice work microsoft.
PenBuddy
Hey, i saw windows vista yesterday and to be honest, at first it looked wierd but you soon get used to it, lol.
Overall, i think that it is probably better than any other operating system yet!
junx
CANON IP3000, does anyone has driver for that?
dephunk
But Does anybody really know how reliable and stable it will be......
briancoit
its pretty stable! I've had a few COM failures, but in the whole, it works well - better than XP, but i'm not sure if thats saying much.

Performance-wise, i've noticed no ill performance in comparison to XP, and the extra functionality suits my needs, except I wish it wasnt so security concious and would let me choose to 'always allow' certain programs to run.

But yeah, by far the best M$ OS, imo.
DarkAkira
**NEWS UPDATE ON VISTA!!!

Windows Vista, despite Beta complaints, is absolutely amazing.

I am currently running Vista Final, Ultimate Edition, and am having no problems. No I didn't download it. It was a RTM (release to Merchant) Version. It is an official final that I was allowed to have a copy of from the owner of store.

The OS itself runs very smoothly. It flows much nicer than in the beta versions. Vista also has almost 100% compatibility with all WinXP applications and drivers. There are very you apps and drivers that will not work with vista.(e.g. AVG Anti-Virus earlier that 7.5.43).

The UI is alot better than XP, and the aero theme is amazing. The transparency even works over openGL graphic applications. Thats good. Nvidia drivers for vista are stable and i am running dual displays with no slow down.

New sounds are good, and the built in widget engine works very well. I have no excess resources being used and you dont need to go buy a super video card or a dual-core processor to run vista.

If your looking for a beautiful upgrade, go with vista. It is much more secure than XP, and its animations are beautiful.

Other features include real-time thumbnails using alt+TAB or hovering over start menu. (e.g.- Videos play real-time in thumbnail). Good stuff. Gaming is also good. I had 500+ FPS in Quake III Arena windowed in Vista. I havent had any crashes or bugs and I have done many tests to try to find them.

Also, that annoying thing where it asks you multiple times to do anything?? You all know what im talking about?? It is easily disabled and never re-appears again. Microsoft has finally done something right for a change.
dephunk
all sound good then ill give it a bash
reddishblue
Meh I shall get it when my school forces me to, but not on my precious lappy, stay out teh evil Vista Laughing
cvkien
hey... i just try windows vista, downloaded form microsoft side... well. this is quite pretty, but i got some problems with it. i am using my pentium D 3.0, 512 DDR2 ram, 200gb HDD, compare with windows xp i am using now in the same computer, the performance are different between the 2 OS. of cause, windows xp is faster than windows vista. and i had couple of times hang in windows vista.

well, i can see windows vista almost like linux, very complicated, just like windows xp plus linux. erm... i think normal home user will have some problems when start using it. and also, your computer requirement also should be high. to have a best performance using windows vista, the processor must be 3.0Ghz and above, and ram 1 to 2 Gb, with display minimum geforce fx7300.

and there are some programs are still unavailable to install and to be use, for example Java Runtime and etc. well, right now, i am still looking for windows vista business or enterprise to try it up...
ashik
already cracks for VISTA are out.... Razz ... y rn't MS trying to combat this ....
orcaz
cvkien wrote:

well, i can see windows vista almost like linux, very complicated, just like windows xp plus linux. erm... i think normal home user will have some problems when start using it. and also, your computer requirement also should be high. to have a best performance using windows vista, the processor must be 3.0Ghz and above, and ram 1 to 2 Gb, with display minimum geforce fx7300.

haha, IMO, vista looks more like Macintosh than Linux.... Apple evenly openly said Vista is imitating Macintosh GUI.
bongoman
they even copied some of Linux security protocols like asking for administrative access whenever you try to install something, or do something with the hardware, except instead of asking for a password, it just has a pop up window. Although after trying vista it's not that bad I don't think. I don't see what new features it really has to offer that the average user will know about, but if an offer to upgrade from xp to vista were free then I am sure most people would take it.
msuballer1981
I have been using RC1 since it was released a couple months ago. There are a few options that are annoying. The account settings feature, which displays a pop up asking you for your user credentials. You can disbale this but everytime you boot your computer a remider will appear in your system tray letting you know you have it disabled. Another way around it is to right click the program you are trying to use and run it as the administrator. You can also go into the properites and tell it to always run as the admin.

Also I have file sharing turned on without password access and everytime I reboot the vista machine and try to connect to it to play MP3s it asks for a password to connect. Dont ask me why. Before the Remote Desktop upgrade was pushed out 2 weeks ago, Vista would only show up in 4:3 aspect ratio when remotely connected. Now it shows up in 16:9, but that really has to do with the remote desktop upgrade and not vista. Just happy to see that fixed Smile

Anytime I try to copy files wirelessly to my Media Center PC it takes for ever and occasionally the explorer service stops responding. This probably has more to with interference since the signal is traveling through multiple walls, but it seemed faster when I was using XP PRO. Will have more on this when I get a wireless repeater. I am also awaiting a VLK from my work so I can install Vista Business as it is available for download to business customers from https://eopen.microsoft.com. Should be getting it any day now.

With office 2007 the file menu has been replaced by the windows orb. This is kind of annoying. I would like to see them offer another program layout with the original view. Like how you can switch the control panel to classic view in winxp. The layout in word and excel are completely different, yet importing a database to make address labels is 100 times easier.

Other than that the networking goes into much greater detail as far as permissions and regulating what your kids can view. It support IPv6. It has more options and reminds me of server 2003 without any server services. I am having problems with Cisco VPN client and iMON media center drivers, hopefully they will release vista drivers soon for these products.
brycearonium
Vista is so horrible. i got the RTM version, so excited, and installed it. When i finally got it to install, it was up and running, great, except not for long. Seems every two seconds it crashes. Not a good OS at all. It has a long way to go. And whats so innovative about it? You can switch windows in a new way now? Big woop. Vista sucks. Microsoft, I used to be a big fan, but bill gates needs to take some notes from Steve Jobs (again hehe).
coolsmile
You know the funny thing is that I bet barely any of you even know what vista is even like. I have a computer tech class and my teacher installed vista. It isn't that bad. It's actually pretty useful, yes, just like all windows versions it does have bugs then again it fixed some of the previous bugs in windows XP. I really like the Windows + Tab fuction, it is fun to play with. A thing that windows vista does is it gives your computer a rating. The only thing that sucks is that your computer's rating is as good as its lowest score. You could get a 5, 2.4, 8.3,6.1,1 and your score would be a 1. Other than that vista is pretty nice. You have to have a fast computer though because vista can take up some memory if your graphics card stinks Smile

--Merry Christmas Smile
orcaz
coolsmile wrote:
You know the funny thing is that I bet barely any of you even know what vista is even like. I have a computer tech class and my teacher installed vista. It isn't that bad. It's actually pretty useful, yes, just like all windows versions it does have bugs then again it fixed some of the previous bugs in windows XP. I really like the Windows + Tab fuction, it is fun to play with. A thing that windows vista does is it gives your computer a rating. The only thing that sucks is that your computer's rating is as good as its lowest score. You could get a 5, 2.4, 8.3,6.1,1 and your score would be a 1. Other than that vista is pretty nice. You have to have a fast computer though because vista can take up some memory if your graphics card stinks Smile

--Merry Christmas Smile

Yea, Windows Vista's requirements is seriously considered quite high. Even nowadays, when I go to comp shops, most of the premade PCs are still having 512 RAM, which is not enuff to run Windows Aero interface.
ashik
yup... Vista's requirements in kinda high...i think, may be, by the mid of 2007, ppl will upgrade to Vista
briancoit
i personally dont think the requirements are really much higher than xp, the kernel is so similar that it cant be. Its the additional components like aero etc that rape resources.

For the guy that mentioned the Java runtime not being compatible, you'll see that they've released a beta JRE for vista.

A couple of things to watch for it the com surrogate crashing (rundll32.exe) with nero and the divx codec. I THINK the latest version of nero fixes it, but as of yet theres no fix for divx! (except using unified codecs)
johnsonap
Probably comes up everytime, but do you not think users would not even need cracks if they actually charged a normal amount for Windows and other OS.

OK charging a bit for the first one you buy is fair enough, but then screwing you out of money everytime they bring out a new realse is just a money making scheme (nearly as bad as speed cameras - but thats another topic all together)

If Microsoft said to me - "Buy Windows for £100, everytime a new version comes out you can have it for £20", i wouldn't even suggest looking for cracks.

Never going to happen though is it?
bcarasco
I have had Windows Vista for a while and while using it, I have learned many tricks and workarounds through frustrating problems and miscellaneous other things. Rolling Eyes

First of all one of the first frustrating things that you notice is that you are not able to rename, copy, move or create files in some directories such as the windows directory or the Program Files folder. While sometimes this can be fixed by either typing in your admin credentials or pressing continue, these things may be done to bypass it:
note: doing these steps may end up in a security flaw if you are not the only user of the computer, use with care

  • Before trying to edit any file that you as a user ( you may think you are logged on as an administrator but in more cases than not, you have less privileges than you have thought. A very nice security fix on Windows' part) do not have access to you should right click on the file the go to the security tab, then edit and either add -your computer-/Users and give it read/write permissions or change the existing permissions.

  • If you are trying to edit a restricted folder in any way (i.e. renaming it or editing the files underneath it) you should first, right click on it and change the Users group permissions of it using the same steps above.

  • Also, if you have problems with an application sometimes right clicking on it and switching to the Compatibility tab, then giving it Administrator privileges or changing the compatible OS can help.
SeanoRLY?
Vista should be pretty awesome. A lot of people are weary about it, but I think it will be really good. Hopefully once I build my new PC in the next few months I will be getting Vista along with it. Probably stick with XP Pro for awhile though.

=D Vista is out pretty soon. 2 weeks or something XD
orcaz
Hey, they stated UAC as one of the new features. But isn't file and account privileges already implemented in Win 2000 and XP??? So what is the difference, just a change of name? The only diff i noe till now is that you can control the startup and shutdown times, the games and that you can now access the computer calendar even in limited account.
jon9314
vista is so great!!! if you have decent hardware it actually runs faster that windows xp
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Kd527
I'm not counting on Vista to be secure. I believe that there are also viruses already written for it. But at least based on past Microsoft history, it probably will not be very secure compared to any Unix-based OS out there.
nigam
Vista created just to make a lot of graphics to look better that attracts end user for them buy install this new product, but basically it still the sames. ust an additional more friendly features. I would rather go for Linux RH9
ashik
yeah.. VISTA is generally XP with some visual addons and some patches here and there.....

I will switch to it.. when it has comparable LINUX's stablility and security...
Kitten Kong
The only thing I am concerned about with Vista is that with its massive requirements its going to continue to leech my system while i play games. Its shiny and all and I will most likely get my hands on a copy eventually (soon microsoft games will be VISTA only) I just don't want another Windows ME debacle. That piece of crap slowed all my games by half.
benjad
today I downloaded the Ready for Vista tool from miscrosoft. It was a rather large package, kind of odd for such a simple operation.

Took about 2 minutes to "scan" my system, although i'm pretty sure it was just using that time to let me read about vista's features and options, because the data collection should have taken about 3ms.

But the real entertaining part was found in the "software" section. No other piece of software received such a harsh warning as this one innocuous piece of software.



Come on M$, do you really think we are all this foolish?
briancoit
well, another activation crack has been released, spotted on neowin!

When will microsoft learn?

To the guy who mentioned pricing, i totally agree! Most end users couldnt justify the expense!
orcaz
Vista seriously cost a bomb!! mebbe bcoz they put all the losses they made thru the free upgrade program for OEM users who purchased their comps aft October into the pricing of Vista?? lol Surprised
tyrant
I tried Vista and i was disappointed. To think it took them so long to release an OS that has no significant difference from XP. Anyway for most of us who stick to microsoft related products we gotta deal with their 1/2 past 6 products .

Until i fully familiarize myself with linux, i'm just going to stick with XP atleast its stable and provide all the functionality for my requirements. Why drive a ferrari or a Lamborghini in a island when it just isnt practical.
missdixy
I'm anxiously awaiting the release of Vista Smile
DarkAkira
**NOTES TO A FEW VISTA HATERS OUT THERE** (or anyone close)


1. Don't bash vista if you have only used RC1. Yes it has issues. Thats why it was a Release Candidate. Duh.

2. RTM has a few issues, but that is because it is made for MANUFACTURERS!!!! Not standard people. It is missing majority of its drivers. It was released so PC manufacturers like HP and Dell could start building its systems and only includes drivers for those kinds of systems.

3. Of course vista has been "hacked". But most hacks out there arent even hacks, they are tricks. Such as getting vista registered. Peple took a file from an RC release and replaced it then used the free RC key. Not a real hack.

The other "hack" was mostly just a time stop trick used to keep counter from going down on registration countdown. Only freezes timer, doesn't eliminate it. NOT A HACK!

And Vista isnt 100% secure. NO OS IS. People shouldn't pick on vista just cause some russian cracked it. Ooooo... Big Deal. If you have an OS long enough, and your a programmer, you can hack it. Most people cn't crack vista. Super-Hackers can. And take it from me, true hackers dont give a shit about your lousy PC's and whats on them. Not worth the time to try to crack you.

4. Vista doesn't need retarded requirements to run. I was running it on an inspiron with a pentium M processor, 512 MB of RAM, and intel integrated graphics, and it still ran beautifully. You would need to have really old or really cheap hardware to make vista run like crap. If this is the case for you, then you should consider getting a whole new PC. Build one yourself. It is cheaper and they come out better in the long run. Especially in life expectancy and performance.

5. Linux isnt the ultimate OS and people should stop trying to say it is. Its open source, free, and has hundreds of distros. Doesnt make it the best. Every operating system has its perks, and its problems. EVERY OS!! and they all get better as time progresses.

No matter what OS you prefer, you always have something to gain by using multiple ones. I personally use 3 distros of linux, FreeBSD, VISTA, XP, Mac OSX, and SkyOS. I know what I am talking about.



So before you say microsoft sux or vista sux, think about what you know. I know at least half of the people who post dont know what they are talking about and are only saying shit they read on a blog or heard from a friend.

Vista Final has alot more good in it than bad, and everyone should give it a chance. dont just say it sux after 2 seconds of trying it either. I test every operating system to its limits. And right now Vista is only limited because of the lack of drivers from manufacturers. They havent finished those drivers.

And dont forget everyone!!!

As much as everyone thinks bill gates is an idiot and sux, remember that he is a hell of alot richer than any of you will ever be. So he is doing something right.

**this is aimed at the general public. I amnot picking on certain people. I am just usng points they made as examples. Please dont take offense to this post**
Seiji
I'm waiting for Windows Vista also. I'm going to have to buy another computer even though it can run on my current one things would probably be laggy.
pah8000
windows vista is very sexy .........the Aero effect and the 3 D flips.
Beside, it is stable asnd fast .
iam using it nw .get form my friend.
My machine is c2d 1.86 GHz, 7600gs GC, 1 Gb ddr2-667, 480gb HD.
Untill now for almost 2 weeks , i din't face any problem except i can't get the driver for my Lexmark Z645 printer's driver
Kitten Kong
can anyone actually name one beneficial feature in Vista? Forget about shiny new GUIs, how does it make my computing experience any better?

I know it likes to ask for passwords for everything and has DRM built into it just to screw with me, and it is a resource hog.

What is the actual reason apart from the fact that Microsoft will be discontinuing XP soon and forcing everyone to make software for Vista?
pestaa
hey... can you remember the starting days of winxp?
everybody complained about its requirements, was sceptic for the new features... nowadays, winxp is the most famous os i think, used by millions and millions of people...

winvista has a plenty of new services, even they are unvisible for average users.
a few example: priority i/o, superfetch, readyboost, transactional ntfs, distributed transactional ntfs, directx10 (will be unavailable for xp users Sad).
the graphical engine -- called aero -- will be using only video cards, so the cpus would breahte again. Smile
pah8000
Kitten Kong wrote:
can anyone actually name one beneficial feature in Vista? Forget about shiny new GUIs, how does it make my computing experience any better?

I know it likes to ask for passwords for everything and has DRM built into it just to screw with me, and it is a resource hog.

What is the actual reason apart from the fact that Microsoft will be discontinuing XP soon and forcing everyone to make software for Vista?


the seaching for file is better .....
but for me, the visual effect make it best .

actually is not ask for password, it is ask for permission to run an application or .exe files.So, automatically install or run by any spyware programmes can be prevented.

Why discontinuing XP soon and forcing everyone to make software for Vista, of course is marketing strategy, if no 3rd party software for vista, do you think that consumer will go for Vista?
reddishblue
brycearonium wrote:
Vista is so horrible. i got the RTM version, so excited, and installed it. When i finally got it to install, it was up and running, great, except not for long. Seems every two seconds it crashes. Not a good OS at all. It has a long way to go. And whats so innovative about it? You can switch windows in a new way now? Big woop. Vista sucks. Microsoft, I used to be a big fan, but bill gates needs to take some notes from Steve Jobs (again hehe).

Bill Gates and Steve Jobs have much smaller says in what their companies do and do not do, it's mostly shareholders who make those calls...
jay84h
I know one thing, I will not be getting Vista as soon as it comes out. Why would you want to get Vista, it's going to be a resource hog! Not to mention it's going to be exactly like Windows XP when it first came out. Remember when an error message came up when attempting to install hardware/program, saying that it hasn't passed Microsoft's test to work properly for Windows XP. Windows XP works perfectly for me, I don't have no reason myself to upgrade to Windows Vista as of yet.
Ethan Bradley
I have Windows Vista RC1 (Which is Vista Ultimate, by the way), and to tell you the truth it is great. Much more so than XP Pro. As far as it being a resource hog...I would disagree. At least with RC1; you can't say for the final retail version.

My computer is not the best, but decent. In fact, I'm on vista right now. When I ran Halo on XP, the performance was poor but made up for by lowering the graphic intensity within the options menu. Conversely, when I play Halo on Vista, the performance is great, all graphic settings are on high and I experience next to no lag at all.

The new GUI is top notch, not the ugly jarring-to-the-eye blue, but a nice contemporary black. And you can change the colors to any color available. The roll-overs are also very nice.

The filing system is changed for the better. Instead of everything being in your My Documents folder you get a User folder with you name on it, and within that you have your Documents, Pictures, Music, etc, etc. Note the prefix "My" has been dropped.

Also, Media Center is included. As far as Ultimate is concerned.

Bugs: none I can find yet, but I'm still searching. Though there is one.
Image of the whole process of deleting a shortcut: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=151250154&size=o

And RC1 is almost exactly what you will get with the up-coming retail version.

I love it. Razz
Kelcey
Reallly Vista isn't a ram hog? I'm thinking about getting it but can't really come up with any reason to drop 200 some bucks on it at the moment.
Ethan Bradley
Ram hog it is not. All I have is 512MB. Price is disappointing... 400 bucks for Ultimate! Evil or Very Mad
mynameis
i'm definatly getting vista its pretty cheap considering the alturnative, u can pick up a copy of vista for £80 (upgrading from XP) and thats the Home premium!...

on the other hand u could get a mac and have 2 buy a macintosh £1000+

and 400 bucks or £200 is the exreme Ultimate edition which is pointless as all you get extra from the home premium is hardware failiure and virus features
mynameis
Not getting it at launch tho!"
ForceRun
Does anyone know the actual release date? I have looked all over, google and all and can't findout when the OS comes out. Last I heard was Jan 2007?...
Animal
ForceRun wrote:
Does anyone know the actual release date? I have looked all over, google and all and can't findout when the OS comes out. Last I heard was Jan 2007?...

30th of January according to the BBC.
jay84h
I cannot see why so many people want it at launch. All I can think of they want to be apart of "the swarm" to get this new OS.
DarkAkira
Again...

You people need to do your research before you bitch about vista. Vista is significantly better than XP. I have compared, and benchmarked, and tested in many ways. It is superior. The only thing tht is better in XP is that as of this moment it has more drivers for stuff. Thats about it.

EVERY OS HAS ITS FLAWS! THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS!

And I guarentee that everyone who is here bitching about vista are the same people who bitched bout XP when it was in this stage. But you know what? Vista is way better off then XP was at this time.

And if you actually read the damn thread, you will see posts from me and others that explain why vista is good. We also explain that it is not a resource hog. Anyone who says it is shows you are uneducated and only believe what you here from other uneducated people.
Viralis
offical release date for windows vista is the 30th of January at 00:00 hours

just so you all know the the max you will have to pay for vista here is the Euro price for The windows vista ultimate full version , €469.99 and the ultimate upgrade is €369.99, the Windows Vista Basic Full version will be priced at €229.99 and the upgrade will be priced at (€139:99 i think or 149.99 im not sure which one) and of course the permium and business versions are somewhere in the middle
Vince
I liked the improved response times and the recognition of crashed or lagged programs. If a program started to lag in Win XP then it could take forever to open taskmanager sometimes. In Vista it recognizes that a program has stopped and asks you what you would like to do. The network connection manageri s a pain the ass. It took me 15 minutes to figure out how to see a list of actual connections and then disable it.

BEWARE... Microsoft has started to give only 1... that's right... 1. ONE license... ONE TIME USE... $400 dollars for ultimate edition and unless you image ur drive when it is fresh install then if you lose ur drive they WILL NOT give you a reinstall code....

This is waht I have heard and seen. if tehy change thier mind then ... whoa MS might have done somthing right.

Hey i just relaized MS= microsoft and MS= Multiple Sclorosis(spelling help)
ravi_9793
1. Complete Name:
It is the only Windows ever with a complete name. (All others were either named after the years they were released in e.g Windows 95/98/2000 or named in short formed abbreviations e.g. Windows NT, Windows XP) Very Happy

2. Largest Operating System Ever:
It is the largest Windows OS coming out. It is 1.4 times bigger than Windows XP (Meaning if you rate Windows Vista as 5 stars, then Windows Vista gets 7 stars definitely). Windows Vista will have the maximun number of editions too. Very Happy

3. Graphics Hardware:
It will be the only Windows OS that will make use of the available hardware for its graphics needs. Very Happy

4. Windows Sidebar:
It is the first Windows OS to have a integrated sidebar and widgets in it. Rolling Eyes

5. Aero Styles:
Though Aero Themes and Glassy Windows Styles are not uncommon. Windows Vista would still be the first Windows OS ever to use the Aero Style as default Windows Style. Laughing

6. Logon Music:
As Informed by Vista developers, It is the the only Windows OS to have the longest Startup/Logon Music ever.

7. Logoff Music:
Just as Vista is unique regarding the new logon music feature, it is also unique in the sense that it is the first Windows OS ever to have a human voice in Logoff/Shutdown music (Yes, Vista will have Female voice in Logoff Music). Very Happy

8. Error Detection:
Windows Vista, if hangs, will tell us the reason why Windows has hung. It will be the only OS to tell us why it has hung up. Rolling Eyes

10. Microsoft Claim:
According to a claim by Microsoft, Vista cannot be hacked and it is difficult for Viruses to infect it. But with all those security holes it doesnt seem like a true fact now does it?
Idea Idea
briancoit
after running it for a few months.... its starting to piss me off!

for a start, the system uptime likes to pick a random number of days. Rundll crashed with the divx codec. Windows Media player AND winamp are both now crashing randomly as of yesterday. My drive with 1000's of folders in the root, wont let me access the folders until all the thumbnails are loaded, even if view is set to 'list' or details.

Theres probably a few more things annoying me, but i cant think of any more justnow.... watch this space! Laughing
Seiji
I'm definitely going to get it when my new PC arrives. My current one probably can't run Windows Vista. I'm pretty sure it will exceed my expectations.
socialoutcast
ravi_9793 wrote:
2. Largest Operating System Ever:
It is the largest Windows OS coming out. It is 1.4 times bigger than Windows XP (Meaning if you rate Windows Vista as 5 stars, then Windows Vista gets 7 stars definitely). Windows Vista will have the maximun number of editions too. Very Happy

For sure, you need at least 12 GB of hard disk just to install the beta2.

Quote:
3. Graphics Hardware:
It will be the only Windows OS that will make use of the available hardware for its graphics needs. Very Happy

Why would someone want their entire system resources be taken up by the OS, I would like my computer's power to go for my use like games, not for the OS. makes no sense why MS sucks system resources.

Quote:
4. Windows Sidebar:
It is the first Windows OS to have a integrated sidebar and widgets in it. Rolling Eyes

You should try Rainlendar and Rainmeter for windowsXP it's the same thing and less filling (in RAM that is). Besides, MS is just jumping on the band wagon here.

Quote:
5. Aero Styles:
Though Aero Themes and Glassy Windows Styles are not uncommon. Windows Vista would still be the first Windows OS ever to use the Aero Style as default Windows Style. Laughing

Can I customize it to the way I want it, or am I confined to the MS look? Check out a program called litestep for XP, It rocks.

[qoute]6. Logon Music:
As Informed by Vista developers, It is the the only Windows OS to have the longest Startup/Logon Music ever.[/qoute]
Ooooo, music to listen to when you have reboot.

[qoute]7. Logoff Music:
Just as Vista is unique regarding the new logon music feature, it is also unique in the sense that it is the first Windows OS ever to have a human voice in Logoff/Shutdown music (Yes, Vista will have Female voice in Logoff Music). Very Happy[/quote]
see above.

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8. Error Detection:
Windows Vista, if hangs, will tell us the reason why Windows has hung. It will be the only OS to tell us why it has hung up. Rolling Eyes

Does it tell me how to fix it too?

Quote:
10. Microsoft Claim:
According to a claim by Microsoft, Vista cannot be hacked and it is difficult for Viruses to infect it. But with all those security holes it doesnt seem like a true fact now does it?
Idea Idea

I read on slashdot today that, someone has hacked the DRM in Vista already.

Cheers Razz
DarkAkira
wasn't a hack. It was just a trick that made windows think something else. not a real hack.
Bones
Anyone who is gonna buy Vista..I'd consider buying the full version and not the upgrade. Turns out I saw lots of problems today with people trying to upgrade XP to Vista..mostly the fact that you can NOT clean install Vista from an upgrade disk like you could in XP.
fadirocks
According to Tom's Hardware Vista performed slower compared to XP

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/29/xp-vs-vista/
Quote:
Conclusion: K.O. For Windows Vista?

Windows Vista clearly is not a great new performer when it comes to executing single applications at maximum speed. Although we only looked at the 32-bit version of Windows Vista Enterprise, we do not expect the 64-bit edition to be faster (at least not with 32-bit applications).

Overall, applications performed as expected, or executed slightly slower than under Windows XP. The synthetic benchmarks such as Everest, PCMark05 or Sandra 2007 show that differences are non-existent on a component level. We also found some programs that refused to work, and others that seem to cause problems at first but eventually ran properly. In any case, we recommend watching for Vista-related software upgrades from your software vendors....


but here we go it's for 32bit processing so not sure about 64bit and somehow I don't really trust Tom's Hardware somehow I feel they're sometime biased
warkey
I have windows vista, and i like it.
I like that verry nice skin, and 3D apps

And you? Razz
magneto_ms
Nice visual enhancements and eye candy..But for the massive amount of time it took to develop it, was it really worth it..?

Anyway i am going to get myself one and see..!
turbosquid
I am looking for either drivers or a workaround to get my Integrated SoundMAX audio device working with windows vista, i have searched everywhere for drivers and can't seem to find them for vista. Looking through various forums there are a lot af other people with the same problem (no drivers). The whole thing is quite annoying because vista detects the card as a generic high deffinition audio device which is almost correct! The annoying thing is that it only detects the card as having SPDIF output which indeed it does have, but it totally ignores the internal speakers which means without connecting the SPDIF output to a digital decoder (such as a surround sound receiver) i get no sound!

Anyone have any ideas on how to get this working with the internal notebook speakers?

TIA

TurboSquid

P.S.

My appologies if this is the wrong forum to post this quiestion.
welshsteve
I've not read all of this thread, but has anybody heard about Microsoft's pricing strategy for UK users?

The Standard XP Home to Vista Home upgrade is $100 (£51) in the US. For UK users, the cost of the upgrade is £100, which is almost twice the price. They sould not be allowed to get away with it. No wonder there is so much piracy going on.
coreymanshack
turbosquid wrote:
I am looking for either drivers or a workaround to get my Integrated SoundMAX audio device working with windows vista, i have searched everywhere for drivers and can't seem to find them for vista. Looking through various forums there are a lot af other people with the same problem (no drivers). The whole thing is quite annoying because vista detects the card as a generic high deffinition audio device which is almost correct! The annoying thing is that it only detects the card as having SPDIF output which indeed it does have, but it totally ignores the internal speakers which means without connecting the SPDIF output to a digital decoder (such as a surround sound receiver) i get no sound!

Anyone have any ideas on how to get this working with the internal notebook speakers?

TIA

TurboSquid

P.S.

My appologies if this is the wrong forum to post this quiestion.


In the early stages of vista we are going to have these no driver problems.. because none of the hardware companies where prepared for this new operating system. I personally am staying away from vista. I'll wait for the next release. I see no reason to go to vista.
ayvee
the problem with vista is there isn't really much that's new, not enough to justify the switch from xp. what will i pay that much money for? a new interface and better search functionality? not good enough.

and to whoever was talking about transactional ntfs, transactional ntfs just ensures that if a file is going to be corrupt, it won't be written to disk. it is NOT a performance feature.

and please, cut the comparison to "xp when it was first released". this is more like windows me when it was first released.
dudeman
i think that windows vista isn't great... just more unused features to slow down your computer... XP works fine. most programs run well on XP, and it doesn't take up all THAT much resources. I wish microsoft would come out with Operating Systems that work on computers with less processing power. Not everybody has the latest technology
johnsonap
My basic question should be, why should i buy it when i have a XP version that is all setup and seems to do everything i want? Can't get cleared than that?

Apparent Benefits

* Easier
* More entertaining
* Better connected
* Safer
* Connected for Small Businesses
* Efficient for Small Businesses
* Future Ready for Small Businesses
* Safer for Small Businesses

Doesnt sound very convincing to me, but am sure i will eat my words once i have enough money to buy!!?
hsiehstanley83
yeah, vista is basicly the same as XP except for the fact that vista looked more nicer and had more security, otherwise, no difference. What difference fo you see from windows media cnter 2005 and windows XP? They are the same. Just windows media center looks better.
johnsonap
Microsoft always declared the big jump was goig to be from 2000 to XP (hence the name stucture change too), you cant expect them to make majour changes everytime, espceially on a working product, they just make changes that you notice - e.g. the nicer looking GUI etc... not really used the different editions of Vista yet, but i believe to get the real new experience you need the "Aero" looking style on.
xlife
I have test it, i have really like it and he have a really good graphical technology !!!!
misualdumber
i've download the VISTA ultimate but still can not install properly, is microsoft use some special boot device? or any installing tips? i've known installation very well, but this VISTA is different or the copy which i've download is corrupt? anyon ecan answer?

or if it is corrupt? than anyone can tell me where to download, i;ve sufficient computer for installing VISTA.
minotavrs
I post a few tips & tricks about Vista


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Appear recycle Bin to Desktop
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The 'Delete' option when right-clicking the Recycle Bin is new, giving you the option of removing the shortcut from your desktop easily.

To restore it you can go Start->Control Panel->Appearance and Personalization->Personalization

and then click
"change desktop icons" from the left-hand column.

From there just check Recycle Bin and click OK.


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How to Delete a System File in Windows Vista
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Warning: Do not delete system files. Bad things will probably ensue.

If you need to delete or overwrite a system file in Windows Vista, you’ll quickly notice that you cannot delete system files, even as administrator. This is because Windows Vista’s system files are owned by the TrustedInstaller service by default, and Windows File Protection will keep them from being overwritten.

Thankfully, there’s a way that you can get around this. You need to take ownership of the files, and then assign yourself rights to delete or modify the file. For this, we’ll use the command line.

Open an administrator command prompt by typing cmd into the start menu search box, and hit the Ctrl+Shift+Enter key combination.

To take ownership of the file, you’ll need to use the takeown command. Here’s an example:

takeown /f C:\Windows\System32\en-US\winload.exe.mui

That will give you ownership of the file, but you still have no rights to delete it. Now you can run the cacls command to give yourself full control rights to the file:

cacls C:\Windows\System32\en-US\winload.exe.mui /G geek:F

Note that my username is geek, so you will substitute your username there.

At this point, you should be able to delete the file. If you still can’t do so, you may need to reboot into Safe Mode and try it again. For the filename in the example, I was able to overwrite it without safe mode, but your mileage may vary.


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Where is the Telnet client in Windows Vista?
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A. By default, Vista doesn't include the Telnet client, which is a text-based application for communicating with remote systems. You can install it by following these steps:

1. Open the Programs and Features Control Panel applet (Start, Control Panel, Programs and Features).
2. Select "Turn Windows features on or off."
3. Select the Telnet Client option and click OK.
4. A dialog box appears, confirming the installation of new features. After installation is complete, close the main Programs and Features Control Panel applet. The telnet command should now be available.


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Disable the User Account Control (UAC) feature on my Windows Vista
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Method #1 - Using MSCONFIG


Launch MSCONFIG by from the Run menu.

Click on the Tools tab. Scroll down till you find "Disable UAP" (this should probably change to UAC in next Vista beta builds and in the RTM version). Click on that line.



Press the Launch button.

A CMD window will open. When the command is done, you can close the window.

Close MSCONFIG. You need to reboot the computer for changes to apply.

Note that you can re-enable UAC by selecting the "Enable UAP" line and then clicking on the Launch button.
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Method #2 - Using Regedit

Open Registry Editor.

In Registry Editor, navigate to the following registry key:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Policies\System

Locate the following value (DWORD):

EnableLUA

and give it a value of 0.

Note: As always, before making changes to your registry you should always make sure you have a valid backup. In cases where you're supposed to delete or modify keys or values from the registry it is possible to first export that key or value(s) to a .REG file before performing the changes.

Close Registry Editor. You need to reboot the computer for changes to apply.

In order to re-enable UAC just change the above value to 1.


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Power Button Default Action
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The default action for the Power button on the start menu in Windows Vista is Sleep, which isn’t necessarily useful for everybody. You can configure this setting easily by using the advanced power settings panel, which is a little tricky to get to normally, but we’ll take the shortcut. Open a command prompt (type cmd into the start menu search bar), and then type in the following: powercfg.cpl,1. You could also take the long route (Control Panel Power Options Change Plan Settings Change Advanced Power Settings) Once you get to this dialog, browse down as shown to “Power buttons and lid”

From here, you can change the options:

* Power button action - Changes the hardware power button action
* Start menu power button - Changes the power button on the Start Menu

You can change the power button to either Sleep, Hibernate or Shut Down, or even nothing for the hardware power button.

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Enable Hidden BootScreen in Windows Vista
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The Windows Vista BootScreen is pointless, but Microsoft decided to hide a more visually appealing boot screen that can easily be enabled with very little trouble. I’m not sure why they didn’t make the boot screen better.

1. Press Win+R, type msconfig and press Enter.
2. If User Account Control prompts you to allow the action, click on Continue.
3. In the "System Configuration" window, click on the Boot tab.
4. Select your Windows Vista installation and under "Boot options", check "No GUI boot". Press OK.
5. In the dialog that appears, check "Don’t show this message again", and then click on Restart.
6. Your computer will now reboot, and you will see the Aurora boot screen with text that says "Starting Windows Vista".

Note: You may get a Windows Defender error on the next startup. You can enable the system config utility using the tray icon and this error will go away.


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Fix for COM Surrogate Has Stopped Working Error in Vista
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If you’ve been getting the error COM Surrogate has stopped working whenever you browse folders containing Divx avi files, it looks like the latest Divx update to codec version 6.5 fixes the issue, but it also seems to remove the thumbnails. If you want to upgrade, just use the divx update checker to grab the new version. Looks like it’s finally fixed, at least the error message is now gone, although I really wish they would have just gotten the thumbnails working instead.

* If you are using Nero, you will need to update to version 7.7.5.1 to fix the problem. I think this is the source of the error for most people.
* If you’ve upgraded Nero and Divx and still have the problem, you can try renaming the file Crogram FilesCommon FilesAheadDSFilterNeVideo.ax to NeVideo.ax.bak This will break Nero Showtime, however.




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Verify the Integrity of Windows Vista System Files
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Windows Vista includes a utility that will scan your system for corrupt, changed or missing system files. Running this from the command prompt is much easier than booting off the dvd into repair mode. To run this utility, you will need to open a command prompt in administrator mode. You can do that by right clicking the Command Prompt in the list and choose "Run as Administrator" Once you have an administrator command prompt open, you can run the utility by using the following syntax: SFC [/SCANNOW] [/VERIFYONLY] [/SCANFILE=] [/VERIFYFILE=] [/OFFWINDIR= /OFFBOOTDIR=] The most useful command is just to scan immediately, which will scan and attempt to repair any files that are changed or corrupted. You can run that command with this command: sfc /scannow



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Disable Hibernation & Delete the Hibernation File
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Windows places a file on your hard drive that it uses when your computer goes into hibernation mode. If you do not use hibernation mode, or your computer does not properly support it, you may want to disable hibernation and clear the file off your hard drive to free up some space (the file will use as much space as you have in physical memory, so if you have 1GB of RAM, it’s going to use 1GB of your hard drive space).

Disable Hibernation:
1. Click Start, All Programs, and then right click on "Command Prompt".
2. From the context menu click on "Run as administrator".
3. If User Account Control prompts you to allow the action, click on Continue.
4. In the command prompt window, type "powercfg –h off" (without the quotes).
5. Close the Command Prompt window.

Delete the Hibernation File:
1. Click Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools, and then click "Disk Cleanup".
2. If prompted to choose a drive, select the drive in which Windows Vista is installed on to and press OK.
3. Disk Cleanup will scan the hard drive and present you with a list of options.
4. Check "Hibernation File Cleaner", and then click OK.
5. When asked "Are you sure you want to permanently delete these files?" click on the Delete Files button .

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Tweak Indexing Options for More Performance
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The indexing service in Windows Vista is responsible for making those search boxes all over the operating system lightening fast. By default Windows automatically indexes all files in your user profile folders, start menu and any files you have setup for offline access. If you have a lot of files in these locations and the files change often you can be putting a heavy load on the indexing service. For maximum performance when using Windows Vista I recommend disabling indexing for all other locations other than the Start Menu. This will lessen the background work that Windows Vista has to do. It will also slow down your searches of other locations but that is the price you must pay for this performance benefit.

Follow these steps to tweak the indexing locations:

1. Click on the Start Button and type at search key "Indexing Options" and hit Enter. Indexing Options will now load.

2. Hit the Modify button.
3. Next, click on Show all locations.
4. Scroll through the tree-view and uncheck any folders you do not want to be indexed. When you are finished, click OK.
5. If you want to change advanced indexing settings such as what file types are indexed click on the Advanced button. Otherwise hit Close.



enjoy..
Dean_The_Great
Hey, thanks for all those tips and tricks! I know they're gonna come in handy when I get my new Vista laptop in a few days.

It takes a lot of the fear out of it!
cvkien
i tried vista enterprise and vista ultimate and i found out there are too many different between them. vista enterprise has less function or i can say internal programs than vista ultimate. for example, in windows vista enterprise, there is no games, no extras and upgrade, no media center, a lot of entertainment stuff that it is not come with vista enterprise. after i use vista ultimate, i realize that vista enterprise if for company that the employee can control their workers to not having entertainment with vista enterprise. anyway, i'm very happy to use vista ultimate that vista enterprise can't give me.
tbsmicro
I like the look of Windows Vista, and like many before me I think the differences between the versions are a ploy to get you to buy the Ultimate Version. Having said that the Home Premium version seems quite good. I am currently saving up to get a new laptop, so will no doubt be looking for one that will have vista pre-installed. I will have to see what the prices are like for those with Ultimate over the Home Premium I think before I make a decision.
The widgets and the overall look is definately Mac-like and Microsoft seem to be copying this somewhat.
Overall, I cannot really say what I think about the operating system until I get to use it for a while.
orcaz
The things I do not like about Windows Vista is the slow startup and the UAC. UAC, though it may increase security, sometimes it is just so irritating. Vista startup seems to be much slower at the bootscreen as compared to XP... Sad
hardcoregamer808
My PC is good enough to run vista:
Nvidia Geforce 8800 GTX 728 mb
2 Gb RAM
600 GB HD
DVD+/- RW
21 in Widescreen

But I still don't see the point of getting it. It's pretty, I tried it out, it's easy, and security has been bumped up a notch but it still doesn't have support for a lot of the software I use. XP is still fine, it's not as pretty but it still is great for all my programs and I don't see any flaws in XP currently. Until they add more support for software on Vista, I won't be getting it.
johnsonap
Hello I recently bought a Acer Laptop with Windows Vista installed on it. I want to downgrade to Windows XP and I have an original XP CD, not a burned or previously used one. When I tried to do a clean install of XP, it told me that the drivers were not found. Seaking to a few computer techs that I know, I found out that I needed to download the Windows XP SATA/Mass Storage Controller version: Intel 6.2.0.2002. I've searched everywhere and the only ones I can find are for Windows Vista. After trying to install in many different ways, another tech told me to try the Vista ones and that maybe the laptop would pick them up. I tried that and it still didn't work. Then I gave in and took my laptop yesterday to a computer repair place that I know. After a few hours of them trying everything, they told me that Acer doesn't make drivers for XP anymore, because now they only work with Vista, so that it will be impossible to install XP. Does anyone know where I can find that XP driver that I need?
tbsmicro
I'll be waiting I think until i get a better machine and Vista is more widely accepted.
BrookfieldPC
Getting drivers for Windows Vista is a pain at the moment because hardware manufacturers are still working with Microsoft to perfect them. I assume around Dec. of this year we'll see a total conversion to Windows Vista.

Windows Vista does have a lot of great features that haven't been taken advantage of yet. The DirectX 10 gaming architecture came exclusively with Vista and hasn't been taken advantage of by many games yet. The only one I know of as of right now is Microsoft Flight Simulator X. In order to take advantage of DX10, you have to have DX10 compliant hardware, otherwise it runs in simulation mode with DX9 hardware. DX10 is going to make PC gaming explode and should create some competition for consoles (Xbox, Wii, Xbox 360, PS3, etc.).

Here's a game to be released this summer called Crysis. It's pretty amazing and you can tell by the graphic quality that this is a big push. I think this will be the main push to get Vista since most PC owners play some sort of game on their PCs.[/url]
shenyl
johnsonap wrote:
Hello I recently bought a Acer Laptop with Windows Vista installed on it. I want to downgrade to Windows XP and I have an original XP CD, not a burned or previously used one. When I tried to do a clean install of XP, it told me that the drivers were not found. Seaking to a few computer techs that I know, I found out that I needed to download the Windows XP SATA/Mass Storage Controller version: Intel 6.2.0.2002. I've searched everywhere and the only ones I can find are for Windows Vista. After trying to install in many different ways, another tech told me to try the Vista ones and that maybe the laptop would pick them up. I tried that and it still didn't work. Then I gave in and took my laptop yesterday to a computer repair place that I know. After a few hours of them trying everything, they told me that Acer doesn't make drivers for XP anymore, because now they only work with Vista, so that it will be impossible to install XP. Does anyone know where I can find that XP driver that I need?


Find out which SATA controller chip Acer is using, if it is from Intel, find the driver from Intel.

Another work around till the proper driver is available, is to go to BIOS and disable Native support for SATA, this will allow your notebook to function with the general drivers provided in XP. In performance wise there should not be much of a difference, you can test it out.

When you finally finds the driver for XP, you can then force upgrade the driver in Control Panel -> Systems -> devices. Reboot, change BIOS back to native SATA support and starts up the XP.

Do hope this help.
dkelite
i think vista is ok, but still ,quite bad.

it use quite much ram, and the controll panel is like running at a dumpyard , got some bugs, and on some plages, it dont mark stuff corectly with the mouse, and if i open a notepad, and test it there, it's fine.

but, got this at wendnessday, so i will not write so much at this moment,
orcaz
Recently, my comp has been freezing for no reason... nt sure why... there wasn't any problems for the past half a month since installation until this week. Crying or Very sad
et-configs
Vista is horrible.. It is easier to hack trust me Cool



IF you have vista i suggest you go to and get xp..
UnikeViruz
Vista looks nice. I havent had a chance to mess with it really but for a microSh$t product it doesnt seem too bad from what I hear or see....I still like *nix better though
mystzero
An update from winhec:
Quote:
With all the Microsoft-created confusion out there around when — and even whether — the company plans to deliver the first service pack (SP) for Windows Vista, it’s nice to see some concrete proof that Vista SP1 does exist.

The WinFuture.de folks managed to grab a quick snapshot of a machine running a build of Vista SP1 during one of the Rally talks at the Windows Hardware Engineering Conference (WinHEC) in Los Angeles this week. Plain as day, it says: “Windows Build 6001 Service Pack 1, v113.”)


Source: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=447

Snapshot: http://www.winfuture.de/news,31801.html
billgertz
I installed Vista on my laptop just yesterday. I find it okay. its just that am having some problems with the programs that I usually install to WIndows XP. I guess windows Vista Doesn't offer too much. the only difference its just the Widows Aero which doesn't really work properly if your video card is not that updated. in My case, I prefered installing Windows XP(since I still have some programs that I need there) and Ubuntu Fiesty 7.04. I don't need Aero. Beryl is better in ubuntu. so I removed my windows Vista and reinstalled my laptop the way it was.

Lesson learned:
1.) Do not upgrade your PC to Vista if your Hardware is not high edge.
2.) Listen to the smart guys in the forum. I posted if my laptop is compatible With Vista, someone told me it is but I will not be satisfied with the result. I did not listen and instead, installed Windows Vista. as a result, I lost some of my data. (simply ask before you install)
3.) Try Alternative OS if your just after the Windows effects, Try Linux with Beryl. its far better that Aero. it works with most video cards. just look for the correct configuration.

that's all folks.
Talk2Tom11
I am currently running windows XP 64bit and have no intensions of switching to vista. I have tried it and am not very pleased. I don't understand why they ahd to go and change the Windows API. Now most of my programs will not work on it. Not very smart of microsoft to be creating an operating system that doesn't allow many programs to run on it. if i wanted to buy an operating system that can't run any software I would have bought OS X.
pll
Does anyone know how ro activate flip 3D (win vista premium feature) on windows vista family basic ?
I dont know if its possible but I would like it.
J-Evil
My mom has a laptop with Windows Vista pre-installed on it, I however, Don't like it. It asks far too often if you want to let something run or not, then theres a problem where I can't find the option to show the known file extensions after the file name, etc. So I'll just stick with my Win XP Sp2.
socialoutcast
misualdumber wrote:
i've download the VISTA ultimate but still can not install properly, is microsoft use some special boot device? or any installing tips? i've known installation very well, but this VISTA is different or the copy which i've download is corrupt? anyon ecan answer?

or if it is corrupt? than anyone can tell me where to download, i;ve sufficient computer for installing VISTA.


I don't know if you have found a solution yet, or maybe some else is searching for the same answer.

Anyway, I experience with the beta version of Vista is that you need a lot of HD space for the install (at least 16GB). That's an awful lot. And if you think your download copy is corrupt, it probably is. And since Vista is Microsoft product, you'd be better of buy a real CD/DVD with your own product key.
And make sure that you system is up to specs.

That's all I can say from what was given
DarkAkira
Actually. You don't need a key for vista.

I wont say how or where, but you can download a full copy of vista ultimate and install it without a key, but make it run fully for the rest of your life.

And just in case no one knew, if you are going to buy a copy of vista, remember that every Vista CD/DVD has every version of vista on it. For Example....

If you buy vista home basic, you can use the CD to install window vista ultimate. However, you will need a key to activate it (or my oh so secret method).
kansloos
There is an interesting site from the free software foundation, which wants prevent people from buying Vista. --> http://badvista.fsf.org
Arno v. Lumig
kansloos wrote:
There is an interesting site from the free software foundation, which wants prevent people from buying Vista. --> http://badvista.fsf.org


Yes, and it's just as objective as "Get the Facts" from Microsoft... (which they closed a while ago, but I think everyone still remembers it, now there is a comparison of Windows Server vs Red Hat server)
LostOverThere
Arno v. Lumig wrote:
kansloos wrote:
There is an interesting site from the free software foundation, which wants prevent people from buying Vista. --> http://badvista.fsf.org


Yes, and it's just as objective as "Get the Facts" from Microsoft... (which they closed a while ago, but I think everyone still remembers it, now there is a comparison of Windows Server vs Red Hat server)


Haha, yeah, I think everyone viewed "Get The Facts" more as a laugh, not actually factual.
socialoutcast
I hope Microsoft releases Vista SP1 fast. They have a lot of work still.
Tristiano77
i absolutely HATE vista. i have home premium and i wish i just had xp. its ridiculous. i have a large amount of programs installed, that means with that much i have to have something wrong. so now every few hours it says a program has made a change to your lisence or whatever, and all in all i have to do system restore. i agree with socialoutcast, if they dont release sp1 soon i just might march down to microsoft and attackthem with something large and blunt. thank you for reading my rant Razz
vikash
vista is great! I have been using it since November 06 and now I am addicted to it. I have got two machines, one of them has XP and Xubuntu and another has Vista Ultimate.
shenyl
As I read the last few pages on this thread and the starting pages, I realised that there are still more "No good" than "Good" option on Vista.

I do face the problem of having to opt for XP prof rather than Vista on my latest Notebook (my personal 3rd notebooks - not counting those I used from my previous organisation).

The many same problems raise - slow, too memory hungry, not fully compatible with existing software. The spec for NB is 2GB RAM for efficient usage - I only have 1GB (very good for XP).

But let us face it - will XP be able to prevent Vista from eventually forcing us to migrate?

Probably - No. Hardware manufacturers, software developers will be pushing Vista base HW and SW. It may takes time, but with Microsoft dropping support on XP - we will eventually have to move on.

So, all the Nah, may eventually be useless. Happy using your XP for the moment, but stay open for a parallel run - probably how to dual boot XP and Vista - need to upgrade my 80 GB HDD to 160 GB HDD soon.
socialoutcast
I have vista home on my laptop and xp on my desktop computer and I am have constant networking issues between the two. It is as if vista and XP don't want to play together and when they do, it's slower then my internet connection. Just when I get things working, my network breaks again. With vista, it's like nothing works like other standard systems.
MikeNF75
I bought two Compaq Presario computers for my office at the beginning of this year. Both were eligible for the Vista Free upgrade to Home Premium. Both of these systems came preinstalled with Windows XP Media Center 2005 Edition which ran perfectly on them. Upon receiving the discs to upgrade to Vista and installing them, the trouble began.

Both computers are identical so run the exact same specs. AMD Athalon 64 processor 3800+ 2.8GHz processor, 1.28 GB of PC 5300 DDR2 RAM, nVidia GeForce 6150 LE onboard graphics driver with 17" flat panel monitor.

The moment Vista was installed, one of the two suffered from constant bluescreen issues, while the other didn't, but had severe lag and connectivity issues via the cable modem and router. If either went into sleep mode, it required a forced reboot of the system to bring it back out of it.

Granted I know the above specs are far below "high end" but you would expect more from an operating system that is supposed to be compatible with most makes, models and setups of the most recent styles of computers available on the market. It was worth the $25 to buy the restore CDs from Compaq to take both of our workstations back to XP Media Center.
Srs2388
I just bought a dell inspiron 1501 and well it came with vista and it runs really fast but then again i have 2GB of ram and a duo core AMD turion 64X2
but vista has a few bugs and a few problems and annoyances I got rid of that annoying are you sure you want to run this app bla bla bla
and you can be an administrator and you aren't able to do anything like one you have to be able to run the app as an admin ya know?
but now i can and it isn't as annoying.
cvkien
i am still using vista too and i did a lot of test and research on that. and i find out that windows vista is great and it was wonderful. Vista has all the features i want and since now, no serious problem occur and it still running fast and cool. so, in this holiday, i plan to write a book about windows vista base on my experience, test and research on it. and i hope i really can get it done.
Legolas710
I use Vista Ultimate on one (the one I am using now) and Vista Home Premium on my other.

I got Vista Ultimate from my friend who won a few copies from Microsoft.
cornga56
Yea I'm not sure what to think of Vista.....to begin with it was crap....I couldn't play videos as they bogged down and skipped literally all the time. That's when I started turning down the visual effects and basically turned the gui back to the classic xp simple theme....which kind of torqued me because I wanted a nice new shiny interface but apparently microsoft hasn't been able to jive that yet. Oh yea, also I'm running a dual core 64 chip and have a gig of ram.....so there is NO reason why it should've bogged down like it did. So after going through and disabling all the crap Microsoft had on startup and turning down the GUI effects it started to run fine and now I've got it to run absolutely perfect. I can now run Photoshop and Premiere at the same time I'm watching movies and browsing the internet so I can't complain at all now, but starting up Vista was assed out.
BrianElliott0218
The trend that MicroBloat has had in every OS release has been to inflate the system graphics use and HDD space to make up for any increased speed we've gained on the hardware side.

Vista seems to have kept this bloat in place. They keep trying to look more like a Mac, but they should also try to feel more like a Mac (or even Linux) system.

The Mac and Linux both have a nice GUI, and Vista "looks" nice too. It even has more hardware capability than the older versions, though it makes little difference as the hardware has to be pretty high end to work well.

What is the point of upgrading to Vista when instead of gaining capabilities, you lose them due to your current hardware being stressed?

I am thinking of moving more to the Linux side of the computing world. These are hardcore programmers with great programming intentions. They want to make something that works. Not just settling on working, but pushing the capabilities of the programs they write into really old fashioned programming elegance and feature rich functionality. AND it doesn't bulk out your HDD.

WinXP Pro takes about 2GBs to install. You get a few lame games, and some passable internet applications. You get no office apps, and no graphics applications.

There are Linux distros out there that take up a bit less than 2GBs and with the install you get a bunch of lame games, great internet applications , and a full office suite in addition to good graphics applications. AND there is an application used to install thousands of other applications for free.

Why buy Vista??? If you're going to move to a new OS, and have that learning curve, you might as well get something that will be better than what you've got instead of worse. Get Linux.

Start here if you want to look for a good linux distribution (free that is):
http://www.linuxlinks.com/Distributions/

I recommend some version of Ubuntu. They have a huge user base, and lot's of community support.

Good luck!
~BE
smokey4life
I have been looking into getting a new computer recently and what i have found very sad, is the fact that very few new computers give you the option of XP or Vista a couple do but for the most part you are stuck with getting vista. On a normal basis i build my own computers the way that i want them so that they work for my needs and not what the company decides will be a good fit for you. All the top of the line computers all have Vista i have read what others thought of vista and whatnot but how many of you have actually used vista compared to XP and i mean for an extended period of time not just when using someone elses computer or just for a week or whatnot? I mean i want some honest feedback from experienced users on the ups and downs of vista. I dont want to get something that is worse off then what i got. I have heard and there is major software as well as hardware incompatibility issues with Vista but how far do these incompatibilities go? I mean do you actually have to go out and buy all new hardware and software for the most part or is the hardware incompatibilities minimal? I have been doing much research on this matter and nothing has satisfied my curiosity as of yet.
Jeff_vella_leone
cornga56 wrote:
Yea I'm not sure what to think of Vista.....to begin with it was crap....I couldn't play videos as they bogged down and skipped literally all the time. That's when I started turning down the visual effects and basically turned the gui back to the classic xp simple theme....which kind of torqued me because I wanted a nice new shiny interface but apparently microsoft hasn't been able to jive that yet. Oh yea, also I'm running a dual core 64 chip and have a gig of ram.....so there is NO reason why it should've bogged down like it did. So after going through and disabling all the crap Microsoft had on startup and turning down the GUI effects it started to run fine and now I've got it to run absolutely perfect. I can now run Photoshop and Premiere at the same time I'm watching movies and browsing the internet so I can't complain at all now, but starting up Vista was assed out.



lol just 1 gb of ram ?



u crasy
u know how much vista uses to run ?
i couldnt beleave it myself
it uses 600 mb minimum mine nearly 700 mb
so with 1 gb of ram yea thats your problem


i have installed vista on my high end pc
i can say there where some programs that gave me problems at first
yea on the main programs it runs quile well
yet the vista i had was most likly buged i started to loose access to control pannelwhen i modified something with the sound which was very irritating
then i got a new vista 64 bit because my quad core 3.0 ghz extream supports the 64 bit
and i have to say that im impressed with the performance
its increadbly fast
smoot
and compatible with everything i have installed for now
before i just had 2 gb of ram and still i felt that i didnt have enough ram to run crysis at mac power with high resolution
now with the 64 bit vista can use more ram then the 32 bit(just 3 gb)
so with my 6 gb ram it runs perfect
yushaayush
I am just waiting for the vista sp1 to come...................
cornga56
It's so hard for me to decide what to rate Vista as, because in many ways all the new options and compatability with new devices is awesome, and i can't say I've had any systemic errors since I've been running it. My big issues with it though are that there are just too many hidden unnecessary processes running in the background. My reccomendation for anyone looking to get vista is MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A FAST AS HELL COMPUTER. hahaha. If you have plenty of RAM and processor you should be set, otherwise you will def say to yourself: WTF.
Jeff_vella_leone
cornga56 wrote:
It's so hard for me to decide what to rate Vista as, because in many ways all the new options and compatability with new devices is awesome, and i can't say I've had any systemic errors since I've been running it. My big issues with it though are that there are just too many hidden unnecessary processes running in the background. My reccomendation for anyone looking to get vista is MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A FAST AS HELL COMPUTER. hahaha. If you have plenty of RAM and processor you should be set, otherwise you will def say to yourself: WTF.

yea true infact with 2 mb ram i find some difficulty in running games at max resolution with vista
i just found one issue with vista i cant find a way to get to work my bluethooth with it its simply incompatible
pkir
I recently had to help some of my friends, because the bought a new computer and of course it came with Vista.

It is always the same with Microsoft products : first release is always very bad, full of bugs and despite this, expensive !

On each Vista I have installed, I have had problems : drivers not available for some devices (Trust Webcam, sound card, ...), computer that worked fine with XP and became very slow (depsite 1Go RAM and a recent proc) : so I had to change the settings (disable the video effects, ...)

So if I can give an advice : avoid Vista !
It is the opportunity do try Linux (for example, DELL now sells Ubuntu Linux pre-installed systems), and for one who doesn't want for any reason to move to Linux, try to find an XP computer (since SP2 is available, Xp is not too bad)

XP is available again, and should be available until June 2008.
anttimies
I had windows xp in my old computer, but it is broken now : (
Now I have a computer whit windows vista, and I can say it is really difficult
to use and it sucks very very much Evil or Very Mad


I wish that I could have my old computer back Smile
Da Rossa
Some please help me:
It's very difficult to find precise and conclusive information around the internet about the Vista vs. XP features. The major question is: Why should I upgrade?" If I ask this question in a regular forum like this all I'll get is "well, it has directx10, it's more beautiful, Vista has this and that......" and it's still difficult to come to a conclusion. So, similarly to this page (look at the tables) or this, do we have a clean comparative article like that to compare XP to Vista?
Arno v. Lumig
Da Rossa wrote:
Some please help me:
It's very difficult to find precise and conclusive information around the internet about the Vista vs. XP features. The major question is: Why should I upgrade?" If I ask this question in a regular forum like this all I'll get is "well, it has directx10, it's more beautiful, Vista has this and that......" and it's still difficult to come to a conclusion. So, similarly to this page (look at the tables) or this, do we have a clean comparative article like that to compare XP to Vista?


It is very hard to compare two operating systems, because people all have different requirements, so for some people Vista may be best, for some XP and for some an other OS.

It is best to just try to see what you need. Do you need good looking graphics? Do you need MS Office? Do you need DirectX 10? Can your hardware handle to OS you want? Do you need to run platform specific software (Versions of Photoshop after 7 for example won't run on Linux, so you need Windows or Mac)?

These are all questions you need to ask yourselves, and then make the decision on what OS you want to use. For regular use Vista is great, but it does use a bit more resources then XP (Yes, just a bit, because most of the RAM usage is prefetch). Some old hardware and sofware may not work on Vista, but some new software may not work on XP.

Take all this into consideration and I'm sure you'll be able to decide what OS to use.
Jeff_vella_leone
Da Rossa wrote:
Some please help me:
It's very difficult to find precise and conclusive information around the internet about the Vista vs. XP features. The major question is: Why should I upgrade?" If I ask this question in a regular forum like this all I'll get is "well, it has directx10, it's more beautiful, Vista has this and that......" and it's still difficult to come to a conclusion. So, similarly to this page (look at the tables) or this, do we have a clean comparative article like that to compare XP to Vista?

i suggest that if you dont have a good pc dont even think abot vista
xp or some linux os will suit tou well
xp is more user friendly though
InsanePL
Vista sux Smile
I can`t even install Photoshop CS2, when install is almost done it says 'Rolling Back' ;/...
czc587
yushaayush wrote:
I am just waiting for the vista sp1 to come...................



I'm also waiting on Vista SP1, here some info and the latest on the release if SP1 ...

Quote:

Microsoft Accidentally Leaks Windows Vista SP1

Some Windows Vista users began finding Service Pack 1 in Windows Update yesterday, even though the upgrade isn't supposed to be available broadly until the middle of March.

Microsoft acknowledged the error. "Yesterday, a build of SP1 was posted to Windows Update and it was inadvertently made available to a broad group. The build was intended only for our more technically advanced testers, and was meant to only be offered to those with a specific registry key set on their PC," Microsoft said in a statement. It also reiterated plans to make SP1 broadly available in mid-March. Some customers on a Windows Vista forum reported that they successfully downloaded SP1 from Windows Update, but most others said that the download didn't work for them.

Bad Week for Vista. The accidental posting to Windows Update follows another recent issue with an update designed as a prerequisite for downloading SP1. Some users, after trying to install the update, got stuck in a reboot cycle. Earlier this week, Microsoft posted a fix for that problem. Service Pack One (SP1) also was found recently to have a nasty side effect of blocking third-party applications from working, many of them antiviral program.

Microsoft issued a second refresh of SP1 to beta users in late January, raising hopes that the final version would be out within a couple of weeks. The company had long said that SP1 would come out in the first quarter. The final broad release of SP1 could boost Vista sales, particularly among enterprise users, because some companies have said that they are waiting for SP1 before upgrading to Vista


Source
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20080222/tc_pcworld/142726;_ylt=ArZdGScUCJFJIlZJofV.sLcE1vAI

Flarkis
ya vista is just xp with a nicer user interface and needs more memory and CPU. INMO be a linux user
cosmicx
Windows Vista Service Pack 1 is available starting from TODAY
Check it out...

besides that, I also update some information about Windows Vista SP 1 at my blog. Razz
WRC Meister
Vista=the biggest pile of poo ever seen on earth, so far it have drowned and killed over 1 million PC's(and counting!)! i dont like it, but have to live as im too lazy to get XP. also, the sound recorder is so crappy, i took the one from windows XP cause its 100 times better!
Kelcey
I wish I could upgrade to XP. Funny enough when I was ordering my laptop, Vista was cheaper. That's why I went Vista. Sure Aero is nice, but it comes at a processing/memory price that I'm not willing to pay. XP is by far speedier than Vista for me. I've heard other reports. At least my file system doesn't barf a lot like it does in XP. But I'd still rather have XP.
KingPuff
My Vista just crashed on my laptop. I am just now recovering from it. What a pain. I really like Vista, except for the processing power and memory it requires. My laptop has a gig of ram, and I need to upgrade it to at least two. I hope the release service pack 1 for it soon...
UnholyIntention
I have been using vista for about 3 months and I was able to network it just find to my XP, I really haven't had any issues with vista other then they decided to throw everything from XP away and you had to completely relearn where everything is.. It seems like every day normal stupid stuff that happened on XP happens on vista you just curse it more because you know how to deal with it on XP and now you have to learn how to deal with it on vista, Change is the way of the world move with it or be left behind... Speaking of which anyone know any good tweaks for Vista to get more out of it, or have any sites that will help?
Shuaib
I have heard that a new vista was going to be released by Microsoft next year because Vista is full of bugs! Is that true?
iftikhar
mars wrote:
I only 1G CPU,512M men. Crying or Very sad


may be but i have not use
angelrateast
I have to say I like Vista. SP1... Really I cant tell much in the way of usability. Vista for sure is a RAM hog. I'm using 3gig and would like more for sure. Readyboost is a really nice feature. One thing I just noticed is that i dont have the devices mixer and sure could use it cause i want to do shoutcast radio. If anyone has workaround please contact me.

Thanks
leosthenerd
Vista is a MASSIVE FAIL Sad
grimfandango4666
i have been losing huge hard disk space in windows vista. i tried canceling the auto restore and back up but still every week or so i lose like, 1 or 2 gbs. it was 82gb when i got it. i dont think there is anything wrong with the computer.
justtj
vista is a failure for programmers and developers..

but its a hit for photographers and designers..
Very Happy

the vista interface is great for handling photographs..

i love it Very Happy
kristofer
Vista could be alright... but way the f""k is it so god damn memory-thirsty???
ssthanapati
Well vista works fine for me... and it crashes much less than XP in my other computer
Chris65536
I like Vista, mostly.

Fine, the folder view continually resets to "teeny-weeny", and the security warning boxes can get irritating after a while, and my sidebar apps that I stick on the desktop tend to wander closer and closer to the left hand side of the screen with every boot, but other than that I have no problems! Laughing

I like it more than XP though. I like the fact that everything is "simplified", as I can do complicated stuff easier. I especially like the Network Diagnostics thingy, since my network is always going down. XP's version is useless.

Plus, Vista Home Edition comes with Media Center. So now I have my games console, workstation, TV and DVD player all rolled into one package! Very Happy Why do I need anything else?
welshsteve
I'm pretty new to Vista, having only recently purchased a new machine with it on. So far I haven't had any problems with it. I personally think a lot of people's woes with it are when they have upgraded to it rather than buy a machine with it pre-loaded.

The one annoying aspect I have come across so far is the constant prompting for action whenever you try and open a new program or install something. OK, its being security consious, but it's a little OTT
deadswan
You know what I find funny, you're all insulting Vista when Mac's are out there Razz
(I have no idea why I don't like Mac's I just thought I'd make another complaint about something that really isn't that bad...)
Wasn't there a test where they got people to use Vista and then they asked them how they found it?
Then they all said It's terrible, or I really hate it and so on...
Then they asked them to test this new OS being worked on and then asked for feedback and they were all saying how great it was.... Then they told them it was Vista anyway.... Just kinda shows that it's pretty much all in your minds lol

Mr. Green
Fire Boar
That was the Mojave experiment, and there are topics on that already. Vista seems very "ooh, shiny" at first, but after a month or so of using it you just get so frustrated.

Ubuntu, on the other hand, was quite the opposite for me. Initially "ooh, WTF?", I realized it was actually very flexible indeed and grew to like it more.

Just goes to show, really. First impressions aren't always right.
debsuvra
For me, Vista works just fine for last 8 months I'm using it. No BSOD, No System Crash, No Malware (remember, I'm just using in-built Windows Defender and I download a lot of torrents also) or nothing to worry about.

Looking forward for rocking Windows 7.
Sam-fisher-0001
ive had vista for over 2 years now. and i cant get over it. when i first got it it crashed every 3 days or so but now its faster than xp, kewler and much more functional. if i had to choose a version of vista id stay with home preimium, cos i dont need animated desctops
bigt
Just installed Vista Business edition on desktop pc. Not a huge fan yet, but I'm keeping an open mind. I've heard lots of mixed opinions. Some things haven't made me happy so far. I do like other features though. Can't wait to see what the next version has in store for us.
deanhills
Comments sound pretty much the same as those when Windows XP was launched, with similar "bugs". Think I will wait the same I did with Windows XP until some of the worst bugs have been sorted out and more people have climbed on the bandwagon. For now I am quite comfortable with Windows XP, although not a total fan of it, but at least it is "the devil I know". If Linux should come out with something good that I can load up with hassle free, then I will definitely look into that as well.
keane
Vista is definitely an eye-candy and problematic at the same time. My desktop had been running really slow last week for no reason. No virus or anything. I'm glad it's back to normal, after a few updates from Microsoft.
vivekcentral
My laptop (with Windows Vista) crashes a lot. I have no idea why it is crashing. Is there anything I can do to stop it from crashing? I have Windows Vista Home Premium. The specs on my laptop are:

General

* Built-in Devices Stereo speakers , Wireless LAN antenna
* Width 14.3 in
* Depth 10.6 in
* Height 1.5 in
* Weight 5.7 lbs
* Localization United States
* Notebook type Budget, Thin-and-light (4-6 lbs.)
* Screen type Wide-screen
* Wireless capabilities 802.11b, 802.11g

Processor

* Processor AMD Turion 64 X2 mobile technology TL-58 / 1.9 GHz
* Multi-Core processor technology Dual-Core
* 64-bit processor Yes
* Chipset type AMD M690V

Cache Memory

* Type L2 cache
* Cache size 1 MB

RAM

* Installed Size 1 GB / 4 GB (max)
* Technology DDR2 SDRAM - 667 MHz
* Memory specification compliance PC2-5300

Environmental Parameters

* Environmental & energy standards compliance EPA Energy Star
* Min Operating Temperature 41 ?F
* Max Operating Temperature 95 ?F
* Humidity Range Operating 20 - 80%

Storage Controller

* Storage controller type Serial ATA/IDE
* Storage Controller / Serial ATA Interface Serial ATA-150

Storage

* Floppy Drive None
* Hard Drive 160 GB - Serial ATA-150 - 5400 rpm
* Hard drive type Portable

Optical Storage

* Type DVD?RW (?R DL) / DVD-RAM - Integrated
* CD / DVD read speed 24x (CD) / 8x (DVD)
* CD / DVD write speed 24x (CD) / 8x (DVD?R) / 4x (DVD?R DL)
* CD / DVD rewrite speed 10x (CD) / 4x (DVD?RW) / 5x (DVD-RAM)

Optical Storage (2nd)

* 2nd optical storage type None

Card Reader

* Card reader type 5 in 1 card reader
* Supported flash memory cards Memory Stick , MultiMediaCard , SD Memory Card , XD-Picture Card , Memory Stick Pro

Display

* Display Type 15.4 in TFT active matrix
* Max Resolution 1280 x 800 ( WXGA )
* Widescreen Display Yes
* Color Support 24-bit (16.7 million colors)
* Features TruBrite

Video

* Graphics Processor / Vendor ATI Radeon X1200
* Max Allocated RAM Size 319 MB

Audio

* Audio output type Sound card
* Audio output compliant standards High Definition Audio
* Audio Input Microphone

Notebook Camera

* Camera Type Integrated

Multimedia Functionality

* TV Tuner Type None

Input Device(s)

* Input device type Keyboard , Touchpad , Multimedia control panel

Telecom

* Modem Fax / modem

Networking

* Networking Network adapter
* Networking / Wireless LAN Supported Yes
* Data link protocol Ethernet , IEEE 802.11b , IEEE 802.11g , Fast Ethernet
* Networking standards IEEE 802.11b , IEEE 802.11g

Expansion / Connectivity

* Expansion Slots Total (Free) 2 Memory , 1 ( 1 ) x ExpressCard
* Interfaces 1 x Display / video - VGA - 15 pin HD D-Sub (HD-15) , 1 x Modem - Phone line - RJ-11 , 1 x Network - Ethernet 10Base-T/100Base-TX - RJ-45 , 1 x Display / video - S-video output , 1 x Microphone - Input - Mini-phone 3.5 mm , 1 x Headphones - Output - Mini-phone stereo 3.5 mm , 1 x IEEE 1394 (FireWire) , 4 x Hi-Speed USB - 4 pin USB Type A

Miscellaneous

* Compliant Standards CE , UL , CUL , R&TTE , TUV GS , UL 1950 , ACPI 1.0b , VESA DPMS , FCC Part 68 , VESA DDC/CI , FCC Part 15 B , Plug and Play , CSA 22.2 No. 950

Power

* Power device form factor External
* Voltage Required AC 120/230 V

Battery

* Technology Lithium ion
* Installed Qty 1
* Battery capacity 4000 mAh

Operating System / Software

* OS Provided Microsoft Windows Vista , Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium

Thank you for any replies in advance. I really need my laptop to stop crashing
vivekcentral
My laptop (with Windows Vista) crashes a lot. I have no idea why it is crashing. Is there anything I can do to stop it from crashing? I have Windows Vista Home Premium. The specs on my laptop are:

General

* Built-in Devices Stereo speakers , Wireless LAN antenna
* Width 14.3 in
* Depth 10.6 in
* Height 1.5 in
* Weight 5.7 lbs
* Localization United States
* Notebook type Budget, Thin-and-light (4-6 lbs.)
* Screen type Wide-screen
* Wireless capabilities 802.11b, 802.11g

Processor

* Processor AMD Turion 64 X2 mobile technology TL-58 / 1.9 GHz
* Multi-Core processor technology Dual-Core
* 64-bit processor Yes
* Chipset type AMD M690V

Cache Memory

* Type L2 cache
* Cache size 1 MB

RAM

* Installed Size 1 GB / 4 GB (max)
* Technology DDR2 SDRAM - 667 MHz
* Memory specification compliance PC2-5300

Environmental Parameters

* Environmental & energy standards compliance EPA Energy Star
* Min Operating Temperature 41 ?F
* Max Operating Temperature 95 ?F
* Humidity Range Operating 20 - 80%

Storage Controller

* Storage controller type Serial ATA/IDE
* Storage Controller / Serial ATA Interface Serial ATA-150

Storage

* Floppy Drive None
* Hard Drive 160 GB - Serial ATA-150 - 5400 rpm
* Hard drive type Portable

Optical Storage

* Type DVD?RW (?R DL) / DVD-RAM - Integrated
* CD / DVD read speed 24x (CD) / 8x (DVD)
* CD / DVD write speed 24x (CD) / 8x (DVD?R) / 4x (DVD?R DL)
* CD / DVD rewrite speed 10x (CD) / 4x (DVD?RW) / 5x (DVD-RAM)

Optical Storage (2nd)

* 2nd optical storage type None

Card Reader

* Card reader type 5 in 1 card reader
* Supported flash memory cards Memory Stick , MultiMediaCard , SD Memory Card , XD-Picture Card , Memory Stick Pro

Display

* Display Type 15.4 in TFT active matrix
* Max Resolution 1280 x 800 ( WXGA )
* Widescreen Display Yes
* Color Support 24-bit (16.7 million colors)
* Features TruBrite

Video

* Graphics Processor / Vendor ATI Radeon X1200
* Max Allocated RAM Size 319 MB

Audio

* Audio output type Sound card
* Audio output compliant standards High Definition Audio
* Audio Input Microphone

Notebook Camera

* Camera Type Integrated

Multimedia Functionality

* TV Tuner Type None

Input Device(s)

* Input device type Keyboard , Touchpad , Multimedia control panel

Telecom

* Modem Fax / modem

Networking

* Networking Network adapter
* Networking / Wireless LAN Supported Yes
* Data link protocol Ethernet , IEEE 802.11b , IEEE 802.11g , Fast Ethernet
* Networking standards IEEE 802.11b , IEEE 802.11g

Expansion / Connectivity

* Expansion Slots Total (Free) 2 Memory , 1 ( 1 ) x ExpressCard
* Interfaces 1 x Display / video - VGA - 15 pin HD D-Sub (HD-15) , 1 x Modem - Phone line - RJ-11 , 1 x Network - Ethernet 10Base-T/100Base-TX - RJ-45 , 1 x Display / video - S-video output , 1 x Microphone - Input - Mini-phone 3.5 mm , 1 x Headphones - Output - Mini-phone stereo 3.5 mm , 1 x IEEE 1394 (FireWire) , 4 x Hi-Speed USB - 4 pin USB Type A

Miscellaneous

* Compliant Standards CE , UL , CUL , R&TTE , TUV GS , UL 1950 , ACPI 1.0b , VESA DPMS , FCC Part 68 , VESA DDC/CI , FCC Part 15 B , Plug and Play , CSA 22.2 No. 950

Power

* Power device form factor External
* Voltage Required AC 120/230 V

Battery

* Technology Lithium ion
* Installed Qty 1
* Battery capacity 4000 mAh

Operating System / Software

* OS Provided Microsoft Windows Vista , Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium

Thank you for any replies in advance. I really need my laptop to stop crashing.
vivekcentral
Sorry for posting it twice. My laptop lost internet connection and I clicked submit twice. Embarassed
Fire Boar
The RAM is lacking a bit... a resource hog like Windows Vista ideally needs at least 2 GB of RAM.

Your main problem, however, is that ATI graphics card. Although Windows Vista Aero is technically supported by the card, it's not optimal and performs very poorly especially with games. Since this is a laptop, there's nothing you can do about that.

I suggest either turning off Vista Aero, or switching to XP or (better yet) a competing operating system. Try without Aero first.

Your post really ought to be in technical support though.
vivekcentral
I will turn off Aero and try it. Thanks!
rhodem24
@vivekcentral - better use Windows XP.
shenyl
Yes, Vista on my multi-boot NB, looks nice, but with several nice XP programs cannot be run, it is a problem for me.

Even MS own VS.NET 2003 and SQL2000 servers cannot run on Vista, and I needed them for development and teaching.

Also the constant questions about rights to let the program runs, also post some annoyance.

I do hope the Windows 7 will really be a compatible OS for the many XP programs.

Some said wait for Vista SP2 in March 2009, to solve many of the incompatible issues.

Well, I just have to wait and see.

I tried go round the problem by running Virtual PC 2007 with XP, but the performance is not nice.

Thus, a multi-boot NB is still needed.

I am also getting curious of the PE edition for Vista - do anyone use this?

With regards.
jsfdan
I am currently using Vista Home Premium. Works great. Only problem is.. that It needs confirmation such a dialog with a "Continue" pops up ever now and then when I do something on my desktop. It gets annoying. I'm admin, so it's very annoying. Oh well.
zygote-hotelomega
I personally have no problem with Vista. It's my understanding that this cult of Vista hate came about after it's initial release and has continued because anybody who says the like the OS has no geek cred. Bollocks to that I say! Admittedly I've only used Vista since the release of SP2 which addressed many of those original complaints and I'm not a gamer so I don't have the issues gamers bring up from time to time but, for my purposes Vista works very well indeed. I'm a budding graphical artist and I find that it renders images and animation in no time. Yes it's a memory hog but throw enough RAM at it and you'll be right. I've got 4GB on board,am running Home Premium dressed up with the equally memory intensive Stardock suite of customisations, even the animated wallpapers (dreams) and I rarely use over 2GB even when running programmes, burning discs and surfing at the same time. I also have a 3 Ghz processor which helps. I've experienced only one system crash since getting this PC in October 08 and that was my own fault.
as forthe UAC (the giving permissions thing), what's so urgent that you can't wait 2 seconds for the OS to ensure that it's really you who wants to install the programme?
I've also used a Mac for 2 weeks (during aforesaid crash) and Ubuntu on a computer I put together for my brother and found that they both have their own little annoyances and that I was far happier using Vista which just tends to do what I tell it to do.
Rajiev
VISTA SUCKS

BIG TIME

I got vista with my new laptop and it takes ages to load Mad

But Windows 7 ROX.

But the issue is that it is still in beta. (and with tons of bugs and crashes Sad )
anakin_skyrunner
Just noticed that Microsoft updated Windows Update in Vista, it looks pretty much the same as in Windows 7 now:



Previously it looked like this:


Arrow Nice! Thumbs up!
Tomek_UCR
xp rulz!!
shenyl
As zygote-hotelomega said, he/she is happy about Vista.

I would agree that what are used to run Vista - 4GB, 3Ghz will ensure the smooth experience.

I am quite sure the graphic card is also of reasonably performance.

But the annoyance that most of us get is not just the performance, it is the compatibility with earlier software and drivers.

Many XP software will not be functional and may not even install.

Of course if you runs everything that is build around Vista, you have no problems, but those who have special niche software from XP era, will be very unhappy.

COMPATIBILITY is one key area, I have drop Vista - not sure if this is addressed in the latest update.

With regards.
lovelyviki
In addition to vista's magnificent screen, and high-quality sound, it really has no other advantages.
wCatPCSecure
i am using Windows Vista at the moment
welshsteve
Having now used Windows 7, Vista is just awful. Will be gald to be shot of it on my home PC
Wesmer
I really liked Vista but I recently upgraded to Windows 7 though lol, here is a trick with Vista when you log in when it boots up log out right away than log back in this helps improve speed of Vista.
Wesmer
Give Vista more virtual Memory.


Applies to all editions of Windows Vista.


What is virtual memory?
Find out how much RAM your computer has
Change the size of virtual memory

If you receive warnings that your virtual memory is low, you'll need to increase the minimum size of your paging file. Windows sets the initial minimum size of the paging file at the amount of random access memory (RAM) installed on your computer plus 300 megabytes (MB), and the maximum size at 3 times the amount of RAM installed on your computer. If you see warnings at these recommended levels, then increase the minimum and maximum sizes.

Open System by clicking the Start button , clicking Control Panel, clicking System and Maintenance, and then clicking System.

In the left pane, click Advanced system settings. If you are prompted for an administrator password or confirmation, type the password or provide confirmation.

On the Advanced tab, under Performance, click Settings.

Click the Advanced tab, and then, under Virtual memory, click Change.

Clear the Automatically manage paging file size for all drives check box.

Under Drive [Volume Label], click the drive that contains the paging file you want to change.

Click Custom size, type a new size in megabytes in the Initial size (MB) or Maximum size (MB) box, click Set, and then click OK.

Increases in size usually don't require a restart, but if you decrease the size, you'll need to restart your computer for the changes to take effect. We recommend that you don't disable or delete the paging file.
RosenCruz
Never liked Vista. I have pirated XP SP3 and orijinal Vista. Guess which one I use ???? Question
codersfriend
I'm using Vista at work and I still prefer either Windows XP or 7. Vista has a lot of problems in usability
jajarvin
Microsoft's support for XP ends in a near future.
What about Vista?
Do MS still support Vista and how long will that support last?
Da Rossa
Come on, please remove the stick in this topic; virtually NO one uses Vista anymore, plus it is a operating system Microsoft itself is ashamed of... It was like an unfortunate gap between XP and 7...
deanhills
True. Probably time to close this topic.
deanhills
Topic unlocked at request of Da Rossa. @Da Rossa, is it possible to clarify the discussion you're after as technically Vista is obsolete. Also not sure what you mean with "removing the stick".
Da Rossa
Quote:
Topic unlocked at request of Da Rossa. @Da Rossa, is it possible to clarify the discussion you're after as technically Vista is obsolete. Also not sure what you mean with "removing the stick".


Lol, no! I didn't asked for this topic to be reopened! I actually said it could be closed and to be removed from the stickies, on the top of topics list! This is precisely because Vista is obsolete, virtually none uses it anymore and the very presence of a sticky topic regarding Windows Vista makes this whole forum looks obsolete! Very Happy

deanhills
Aha .... now I get it! Razz

As far as I know only Admin can sticky or unsticky threads. By way of a solution, maybe we could rename the thread to something like:

Old Windows Official Thread (before Windows 7)

Unfortunately looks as though I'm also unable to merge threads. Otherwise I could have sorted out the topics a little.

Let me know whether you want me to rename the thread to something else.
SpaceInvader75
I'm using Vista right now, because it's the version of Windows that came with my old computer. But at least I finally figured out how to install Linux. Now that I started a computer blog I really need to get some newer versions of Windows so I can illustrate how to do things in Windows. Hopefully I can save up the money.
jajarvin
I think Vista is supported by MS until april 2017
deanhills
jajarvin wrote:
I think Vista is supported by MS until april 2017
thanks for the info Jajarvin. Looks as though the name can remain Windows Vista for a while. Razz
Da Rossa
I know it will still be supported for a while, but Vista, "userbasely" speaking, the smallest. But OK, I get it Smile
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