I got it from my MSDN subscription, what did all of you think of it if you seen it? I thought it was actually quite sad.....it still has some errors but the longhorn alpha version was even worser, you couldn't even load the internet without it rebooting....lol......It would be awesome if win vista like joins win xp media center 2005 then the speeds and the converting of movies would be fantastic....but I doubt they will ever do that, 2.4gb is the full size of win vista, and I think it's a waste of space, it can't do much. lol so what are your views on this new invenstion by the win team....is it crap or is it good?
Windows Vista - Official Thread
its still a beta! BETA1!!
its got a long way to go indeed, but i'm sure the final version will be awesome! and in the future when its released (end 2006 i hope!) 2.4GB will be nothing...
computers today come with 40GB standard, by 2006 end that will probably be 200GB standard
its got a long way to go indeed, but i'm sure the final version will be awesome! and in the future when its released (end 2006 i hope!) 2.4GB will be nothing...
computers today come with 40GB standard, by 2006 end that will probably be 200GB standard
yes alpha and beta version
NOT SECURÝTY!!!!!!! Why? Because Alpha And Beta Version
NOT SECURÝTY!!!!!!! Why? Because Alpha And Beta Version
| ngage wrote: |
| yes alpha and beta version
NOT SECURÝTY!!!!!!! Why? Because Alpha And Beta Version |
Wow like we didnt know
. *spam*Just about everywhere I've looked people talk about this, even though its missing most of its features. Why discuss something when it doesn't have most of its main points?
XP's final version is shitty, so why in the hell would you think a m$ alpha/beta would be good? lol
Yeah I know, its obviously gonna be shit.....but I guess some people love to have the *in* thing
I cant wait til Windows Vista comes out, I think Windows XP Pro is pretty much the perfect OS right now so I wonder what they can possibly do to make it better. I personally dont want to get the beta just because well..betas are betas and i prefer just waiting for the final thing to come out so its just that much better for me
Personally they should just keep working on xp to make it a lot better instead of a whole new os, but the world runs on money so I can see why they do it.
| Maka wrote: |
| Personally they should just keep working on xp to make it a lot better instead of a whole new os, but the world runs on money so I can see why they do it. |
I think the new os plan is better. The ultimate goal of vista afterall is to bridge the gap between xp and blackcomb. and its all nt-based anyway.
i must admit i like XP or well its ok
just wish Microsoft would work on stability / realistic minimum requirements (apparently you can have windows xp running on)
•PC with 300 megahertz or higher processor clock speed recommended; 233 MHz minimum required (single or dual processor system);* Intel Pentium/Celeron family, or AMD K6/Athlon/Duron family, or compatible processor recommended
•128 megabytes (MB) of RAM or higher recommended (64 MB minimum supported; may limit performance and some features)
•1.5 gigabytes (GB) of available hard disk space*
•Super VGA (800 x 600) or higher-resolution video adapter and monitor
•CD-ROM or DVD drive
which is a pile of crap ive seen normal (1ghz+) machines struggle with XP because of only having 256mb ram...
ive used the media center edition before on a friends PC and i must admit i like it, but would love for windows to be more stable. Or to have actual useful "troubleshooting" advice the amount of times it just says "ask your network administraitior" ><. Or less security issues.
they seem so keen to keep producing new operating systems, without fixing the problems of the older ones.
just wish Microsoft would work on stability / realistic minimum requirements (apparently you can have windows xp running on)
•PC with 300 megahertz or higher processor clock speed recommended; 233 MHz minimum required (single or dual processor system);* Intel Pentium/Celeron family, or AMD K6/Athlon/Duron family, or compatible processor recommended
•128 megabytes (MB) of RAM or higher recommended (64 MB minimum supported; may limit performance and some features)
•1.5 gigabytes (GB) of available hard disk space*
•Super VGA (800 x 600) or higher-resolution video adapter and monitor
•CD-ROM or DVD drive
which is a pile of crap ive seen normal (1ghz+) machines struggle with XP because of only having 256mb ram...
ive used the media center edition before on a friends PC and i must admit i like it, but would love for windows to be more stable. Or to have actual useful "troubleshooting" advice the amount of times it just says "ask your network administraitior" ><. Or less security issues.
they seem so keen to keep producing new operating systems, without fixing the problems of the older ones.
i am really looking forward to gettin windows vista... and i have heard that it has a virus already...but i hope not cuz that would reall suck 
I only 1G CPU,512M men. 
I found an official sheet:
Microsoft Windows Vista Beta 1 Fact Sheet
Windows Vista beta 1 is an important milestone on Microsoft’s path to releasing the final version of Windows Vista. Beta 1 is being delivered to more than 10,000 beta testers.
Related Links
Microsoft Resources
• Windows Vista Virtual Pressroom and Images
• MS Logos
• Windows Vista Announcement Video
• Windows Vista Web Site
Windows Vista™ beta 1 is an important milestone on Microsoft Corp.’s path to releasing the final version of Windows Vista. Beta 1 will provide developers, IT professionals and Windows® enthusiasts with an opportunity to test the operating system’s infrastructure and provide Microsoft with valuable feedback. Beta 1 is being delivered to more than 10,000 beta testers via the Windows Vista Technical Beta Program, and thousands more people will receive beta 1 through the MSDN® developer program and Microsoft® TechNet.
Fundamental Improvements for Computing With More Confidence
Windows Vista beta 1 focuses on greatly improving the Windows’ fundamentals — security, deployment, manageability and performance — so developers, IT professionals and end users can have more confidence in their PCs. Enhancements have been made in the following areas:
Microsoft Windows Vista Beta 1 Fact Sheet
Windows Vista beta 1 is an important milestone on Microsoft’s path to releasing the final version of Windows Vista. Beta 1 is being delivered to more than 10,000 beta testers.
Related Links
Microsoft Resources
• Windows Vista Virtual Pressroom and Images
• MS Logos
• Windows Vista Announcement Video
• Windows Vista Web Site
Windows Vista™ beta 1 is an important milestone on Microsoft Corp.’s path to releasing the final version of Windows Vista. Beta 1 will provide developers, IT professionals and Windows® enthusiasts with an opportunity to test the operating system’s infrastructure and provide Microsoft with valuable feedback. Beta 1 is being delivered to more than 10,000 beta testers via the Windows Vista Technical Beta Program, and thousands more people will receive beta 1 through the MSDN® developer program and Microsoft® TechNet.
Fundamental Improvements for Computing With More Confidence
Windows Vista beta 1 focuses on greatly improving the Windows’ fundamentals — security, deployment, manageability and performance — so developers, IT professionals and end users can have more confidence in their PCs. Enhancements have been made in the following areas:
Security. Windows Vista will deliver many new or improved security features that provide a usable, consistent and manageable experience in corporate, mobile and roaming environments, as well as in the home. Some examples of new security features in Windows Vista beta 1 include these:
• User Account Protection features enable administrators to deploy PCs set up to give end users only the privileges they need to perform their tasks. This bridges the gap between user and administrative privileges by running applications with limited permissions.
• Windows Service Hardening monitors critical Windows services for abnormal activity in the file system, registry and network that could be used to allow malware to persist on a machine or propagate to other machines.
• Anti-malware features detect and remove worms, viruses and other types of malicious software from the computer during an upgrade.
• Advanced data protection technologies reduce the risk that data on laptops or on other computers will be viewed by unauthorized users, even if the computer is lost or stolen. Windows Vista supports full-volume encryption to help prevent disk access to files by other operating systems. It also stores encryption keys in a Trusted Platform Model (TPM) v1.2 chip. The entire system partition is encrypted in both the hibernation file and the user data.
• Microsoft Internet Explorer 7 in Windows Vista Beta 1 includes many features to help protect against malicious Web sites and malware. To help protect against phishing and spoofing attacks, Internet Explorer also does the following:
• Highlights the address bar when users visit a secure sockets layer-protected site and lets users easily check the validity of a site’s security certificate
• Allows users to clear all cached data with a single click
• Network Access Protection. Viruses and worms can attack a protected internal network through mobile computers that do not have the latest updates, security configuration settings or virus signatures downloaded. Mobile users may connect to unprotected networks at hotels, airports or coffee shops, where their computers can become infected by malware or a virus. Windows Vista has Network Access Protection to help prevent security-compromised computers from connecting to a user’s internal network until security criteria are met.
• Firewall. Windows Vista provides outgoing as well as incoming filtering, which can be centrally managed via Group Policy. This lets administrators control which applications are allowed to communicate or are blocked from communicating on the network. Controlling network access is one of the most important ways to mitigate security risks.
• Deployment. Windows Vista will help make desktop deployment dramatically faster and easier. Deployment features included in Windows Vista Beta 1 include the following:
• The Windows Imaging (WIM) format provides a single file that contains one or more complete Windows Vista installation images. To conserve space, Windows Vista compresses the file and stores only a single copy of files that more than one image share. As a result, Windows Vista images help eliminate redundancy, decrease file size, and reduce installation or migration time. Image-based setup also is less error-prone than a scripted installation process.
• Windows Pre-installation Environment (PE) enables administrators to configure Windows offline as well as diagnose and troubleshoot hardware problems before launching the setup process.
• The Application Compatibility Toolkit (ACT) helps administrators quickly identify, analyze and resolve any issues with non-standard applications being migrated to Windows Vista.
• Manageability. Windows Vista will help reduce total cost of ownership (TCO) of PCs through simplified management, increased automation of tasks and improved diagnostics. Improvements in Windows Vista beta 1 include these:
• Better diagnostics implementation, including auto-diagnosis and auto-correction of common error conditions, fixes for known crashes and “hangs,” and new technology to minimize reboots when installing software, are included.
• An improved Task Scheduler schedules tasks to launch when a specific event occurs, such as when disk space becomes insufficient.
• Web Services for Management (WS-Management) makes it easier to run scripts remotely and to perform other management tasks. Communication can be both encrypted and authenticated, helping limit security risks.
• Microsoft Management Console 3.0 (MMC 3.0) provides a common framework for management tools, making them easier to find and use. MMC 3.0 supports richer, more functional graphical user interfaces for management and allows administrators to run multiple tasks in parallel, keeping administrative tools responsive even after launching a complex or slow management task.
• Performance. Windows Vista will help improve PC performance in key areas, including starting up, waking up and responding to user actions. Performance features included in Windows Vista beta 1 include the following:
• Quick startup. Login scripts and startup applications and services process in the background while users perform their desired tasks.
• Sleep state. The new Sleep state in Windows Vista combines the speed of Standby mode with data protection features and low-power consumption of Hibernate. The Sleep state also allows users to change or remove a battery with little risk to open applications and data, since memory is safely written to the hard disk. Startup from the Sleep state requires just seconds, meaning fewer shutdowns and restarts are necessary, which helps improve power management.
• Superior memory management and improved input/output (I/O) management makes Windows Vista more responsive than previous versions of Windows, especially in the most noticeable tasks, such as opening the Start menu or right-clicking a file in Windows Explorer to display a shortcut menu.
• User Account Protection features enable administrators to deploy PCs set up to give end users only the privileges they need to perform their tasks. This bridges the gap between user and administrative privileges by running applications with limited permissions.
• Windows Service Hardening monitors critical Windows services for abnormal activity in the file system, registry and network that could be used to allow malware to persist on a machine or propagate to other machines.
• Anti-malware features detect and remove worms, viruses and other types of malicious software from the computer during an upgrade.
• Advanced data protection technologies reduce the risk that data on laptops or on other computers will be viewed by unauthorized users, even if the computer is lost or stolen. Windows Vista supports full-volume encryption to help prevent disk access to files by other operating systems. It also stores encryption keys in a Trusted Platform Model (TPM) v1.2 chip. The entire system partition is encrypted in both the hibernation file and the user data.
• Microsoft Internet Explorer 7 in Windows Vista Beta 1 includes many features to help protect against malicious Web sites and malware. To help protect against phishing and spoofing attacks, Internet Explorer also does the following:
• Highlights the address bar when users visit a secure sockets layer-protected site and lets users easily check the validity of a site’s security certificate
• Allows users to clear all cached data with a single click
• Network Access Protection. Viruses and worms can attack a protected internal network through mobile computers that do not have the latest updates, security configuration settings or virus signatures downloaded. Mobile users may connect to unprotected networks at hotels, airports or coffee shops, where their computers can become infected by malware or a virus. Windows Vista has Network Access Protection to help prevent security-compromised computers from connecting to a user’s internal network until security criteria are met.
• Firewall. Windows Vista provides outgoing as well as incoming filtering, which can be centrally managed via Group Policy. This lets administrators control which applications are allowed to communicate or are blocked from communicating on the network. Controlling network access is one of the most important ways to mitigate security risks.
• Deployment. Windows Vista will help make desktop deployment dramatically faster and easier. Deployment features included in Windows Vista Beta 1 include the following:
• The Windows Imaging (WIM) format provides a single file that contains one or more complete Windows Vista installation images. To conserve space, Windows Vista compresses the file and stores only a single copy of files that more than one image share. As a result, Windows Vista images help eliminate redundancy, decrease file size, and reduce installation or migration time. Image-based setup also is less error-prone than a scripted installation process.
• Windows Pre-installation Environment (PE) enables administrators to configure Windows offline as well as diagnose and troubleshoot hardware problems before launching the setup process.
• The Application Compatibility Toolkit (ACT) helps administrators quickly identify, analyze and resolve any issues with non-standard applications being migrated to Windows Vista.
• Manageability. Windows Vista will help reduce total cost of ownership (TCO) of PCs through simplified management, increased automation of tasks and improved diagnostics. Improvements in Windows Vista beta 1 include these:
• Better diagnostics implementation, including auto-diagnosis and auto-correction of common error conditions, fixes for known crashes and “hangs,” and new technology to minimize reboots when installing software, are included.
• An improved Task Scheduler schedules tasks to launch when a specific event occurs, such as when disk space becomes insufficient.
• Web Services for Management (WS-Management) makes it easier to run scripts remotely and to perform other management tasks. Communication can be both encrypted and authenticated, helping limit security risks.
• Microsoft Management Console 3.0 (MMC 3.0) provides a common framework for management tools, making them easier to find and use. MMC 3.0 supports richer, more functional graphical user interfaces for management and allows administrators to run multiple tasks in parallel, keeping administrative tools responsive even after launching a complex or slow management task.
• Performance. Windows Vista will help improve PC performance in key areas, including starting up, waking up and responding to user actions. Performance features included in Windows Vista beta 1 include the following:
• Quick startup. Login scripts and startup applications and services process in the background while users perform their desired tasks.
• Sleep state. The new Sleep state in Windows Vista combines the speed of Standby mode with data protection features and low-power consumption of Hibernate. The Sleep state also allows users to change or remove a battery with little risk to open applications and data, since memory is safely written to the hard disk. Startup from the Sleep state requires just seconds, meaning fewer shutdowns and restarts are necessary, which helps improve power management.
• Superior memory management and improved input/output (I/O) management makes Windows Vista more responsive than previous versions of Windows, especially in the most noticeable tasks, such as opening the Start menu or right-clicking a file in Windows Explorer to display a shortcut menu.
Clear and Connected
Many of the innovative end-user features and user-interface (UI) changes for Windows Vista will not be included until the release of Windows Vista beta 2. However, Windows Vista beta 1 does include an early look at the new UI design, and showcases some of the features that will give users clear ways to organize and use their information and seamlessly connect to people and devices, including these:
• Searching and finding information.Windows Vista will introduce a new organization concept called a Virtual Folder, which is a saved search that is automatically and instantly run when a user opens the folder. In addition, every new Explorer in the operating system, including Internet Explorer, includes a new Quick Search box that enables customers to quickly search through large amounts of content being viewed or to initiate wider content searches across the PC.
• Glass and new Window animation. The Windows Vista desktop experience will deliver a new visual identity — translucent glass with more animation. Because it is visually intuitive, the glass helps users focus on the task at hand, whether reading a document, viewing a Web page or editing a photo.
• Redesigned Start menu with application search. The Windows Vista redesigned Start menu will make it faster and easier for users to find specific applications and to browse through all programs.
• Sync Manager. Windows Vista will unify the synchronization with the Sync Manager, a new interface that enables users to initiate a manual sync, stop an in-progress sync, see the status of current sync activities and receive notifications to resolve conflicts across all devices and data sources with the click of a single button.
• Networked projection for mobile PCs. Windows Vista will make it easier for users to connect a mobile PC to a projector over a network to display a presentation, or to share a presentation with nearby PCs. The networked projection feature allows a Windows Vista-based computer to detect nearby PCs or projectors and establish a connection through a network, regardless of whether the network is wired or wireless, ad hoc or part of a corporate infrastructure.
Internet Explorer 7 for Windows Vista Beta 1
In addition to the security features mentioned above, Internet Explorer 7 in Windows Vista beta 1 includes new capabilities that make everyday tasks easier, including support for tabbed browsing, a toolbar search box that includes AOL search, Ask Jeeves, Google, MSN® Search and Yahoo! Search, as well as shrink-to-fit printing of Web pages to automatically resize the page to print properly. Also, with new integrated support for emerging technologies such as Web feeds (RSS), users of Internet Explorer 7 in Windows Vista will get personalized news, sports, shopping information and blogs delivered directly to their PCs. Internet Explorer 7 in Windows Vista beta 2 will continue to build on the security enhancements with support for anti-phishing, which will help warn and protect users against fraudulent Web sites and personal data theft in the browser. It will also add a Protected Mode to give Internet Explorer sufficient rights to browse the Web, but not enough rights to modify user settings or data. Many of these new browser features will also be available to users of Windows XP through Internet Explorer 7 for Windows XP Service Pack 2. Internet Explorer 7 beta 1 for Windows XP is now available to IT administrators, developers and enthusiasts for testing and evaluation through the Technical Beta Program and MSDN.
Windows Server, Code-Named “Longhorn”
The first beta of Windows Server™, code-named “Longhorn,” also is now available to a limited number of participants in the Technical Beta Program, including hardware manufacturers, original equipment manufacturers, independent hardware vendors, system builders, independent software vendors and developers. The next version of Windows Server, code-named “Longhorn” is designed to provide a secure and reliable server platform, helping customers reduce IT complexity, increase end-user productivity and deliver rich new applications. The new server operating system is slated for final release in 2007.
“Avalon” and “Indigo”
Windows Vista beta 1 also includes the first beta of Windows Presentation Foundation (formerly known by the code name “Avalon”) and Windows Communication Foundation (formerly known by the code name “Indigo”), which are part of the WinFX™ programming model. WinFX extends the Microsoft .NET Framework with classes for building new user interface experiences and advanced Web services. Together, they enable developers to build connected systems that take advantage of the processing power of the smart client, incorporate cutting-edge media and graphics, and communicate with other applications with improved security and reliability.
System Requirements
Minimum system requirements will not be known until summer 2006 at the earliest. However, these guidelines provide useful estimates:
• 512 megabytes (MB) or more of RAM
• A dedicated graphics card with DirectX® 9.0 support
• A modern, Intel Pentium- or AMD Athlon-based PC.
Many of the innovative end-user features and user-interface (UI) changes for Windows Vista will not be included until the release of Windows Vista beta 2. However, Windows Vista beta 1 does include an early look at the new UI design, and showcases some of the features that will give users clear ways to organize and use their information and seamlessly connect to people and devices, including these:
• Searching and finding information.Windows Vista will introduce a new organization concept called a Virtual Folder, which is a saved search that is automatically and instantly run when a user opens the folder. In addition, every new Explorer in the operating system, including Internet Explorer, includes a new Quick Search box that enables customers to quickly search through large amounts of content being viewed or to initiate wider content searches across the PC.
• Glass and new Window animation. The Windows Vista desktop experience will deliver a new visual identity — translucent glass with more animation. Because it is visually intuitive, the glass helps users focus on the task at hand, whether reading a document, viewing a Web page or editing a photo.
• Redesigned Start menu with application search. The Windows Vista redesigned Start menu will make it faster and easier for users to find specific applications and to browse through all programs.
• Sync Manager. Windows Vista will unify the synchronization with the Sync Manager, a new interface that enables users to initiate a manual sync, stop an in-progress sync, see the status of current sync activities and receive notifications to resolve conflicts across all devices and data sources with the click of a single button.
• Networked projection for mobile PCs. Windows Vista will make it easier for users to connect a mobile PC to a projector over a network to display a presentation, or to share a presentation with nearby PCs. The networked projection feature allows a Windows Vista-based computer to detect nearby PCs or projectors and establish a connection through a network, regardless of whether the network is wired or wireless, ad hoc or part of a corporate infrastructure.
Internet Explorer 7 for Windows Vista Beta 1
In addition to the security features mentioned above, Internet Explorer 7 in Windows Vista beta 1 includes new capabilities that make everyday tasks easier, including support for tabbed browsing, a toolbar search box that includes AOL search, Ask Jeeves, Google, MSN® Search and Yahoo! Search, as well as shrink-to-fit printing of Web pages to automatically resize the page to print properly. Also, with new integrated support for emerging technologies such as Web feeds (RSS), users of Internet Explorer 7 in Windows Vista will get personalized news, sports, shopping information and blogs delivered directly to their PCs. Internet Explorer 7 in Windows Vista beta 2 will continue to build on the security enhancements with support for anti-phishing, which will help warn and protect users against fraudulent Web sites and personal data theft in the browser. It will also add a Protected Mode to give Internet Explorer sufficient rights to browse the Web, but not enough rights to modify user settings or data. Many of these new browser features will also be available to users of Windows XP through Internet Explorer 7 for Windows XP Service Pack 2. Internet Explorer 7 beta 1 for Windows XP is now available to IT administrators, developers and enthusiasts for testing and evaluation through the Technical Beta Program and MSDN.
Windows Server, Code-Named “Longhorn”
The first beta of Windows Server™, code-named “Longhorn,” also is now available to a limited number of participants in the Technical Beta Program, including hardware manufacturers, original equipment manufacturers, independent hardware vendors, system builders, independent software vendors and developers. The next version of Windows Server, code-named “Longhorn” is designed to provide a secure and reliable server platform, helping customers reduce IT complexity, increase end-user productivity and deliver rich new applications. The new server operating system is slated for final release in 2007.
“Avalon” and “Indigo”
Windows Vista beta 1 also includes the first beta of Windows Presentation Foundation (formerly known by the code name “Avalon”) and Windows Communication Foundation (formerly known by the code name “Indigo”), which are part of the WinFX™ programming model. WinFX extends the Microsoft .NET Framework with classes for building new user interface experiences and advanced Web services. Together, they enable developers to build connected systems that take advantage of the processing power of the smart client, incorporate cutting-edge media and graphics, and communicate with other applications with improved security and reliability.
System Requirements
Minimum system requirements will not be known until summer 2006 at the earliest. However, these guidelines provide useful estimates:
• 512 megabytes (MB) or more of RAM
• A dedicated graphics card with DirectX® 9.0 support
• A modern, Intel Pentium- or AMD Athlon-based PC.
Vista has some improvement of it's own from XP, and i must say they have gone 1 more level into user interface design and stress on ease of using Vista over the previous OS they released. I like the "labeling instead of folder" filesystem of vista, and also how they ultilise the GPU of the computer, but at the same time, means no weak machines will be able to run vista..Espacially those older generation graphics card. 
yep, its still beta. vista < XP < 98
I'm a little confused...is vista longhorn? or is longhorn something else?
| demex wrote: |
| I'm a little confused...is vista longhorn? or is longhorn something else? |
It is currently called Windows Vista. It is used to be called Windows Longhorn, but Windows has changed the name since it released its first beta.
From Windows ITPro
Plz. do reply!
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"Two days before the start of Professional Developers Conference (PDC) 2005, I've received exclusive insider information about the product editions, or SKUs, which Microsoft intends to create for Windows Vista (codenamed Longhorn). While the exact breakdown of the Windows Vista editions has been the subject of much speculation, this list closely matches the editions list I first published on the SuperSite for Windows last year. Here's how the Windows Vista product editions break down. Unquote Here is a list of the Editions: 1. Windows Vista Starter Edition 2. Windows Vista Home Basic Edition 3. Windows Vista Home Premium Edition 4. Windows Vista Professional Edition 5. Windows Vista Small Business Edition 6. Windows Vista Enterprise Edition 7. Windows Vista Ultimate Edition 8. Windows Vista Embedded Edition |
Plz. do reply!
I never knew that Windows Vista is actually codenamed as the Longhorn. I thought it will be named Windows Longhorn. It has got many versions. Let's hope it improved many versions from Windows XP.
i have used vista because i know a programmer for microsoft, the features sometimes mirrors apples!
cant' wait untill it will be relesed they worked on it so long... this is gowing to be the best os ever
These different versios of the new OS smells like huge microsoft slot machine...
Does anyone knows what's the difference between that versions?
Does anyone knows what's the difference between that versions?
the os looks really interesting.. i hope it will be VERY compatible with older programs ... (sometimes i still wished we had a dos base) ... though i've heard bad things such as "yearly subscriptions" ... etc...
apple os x is freebsd... which is open source... all the "pretty" stuff is owned by apple though... apples stability is not THAT impresive considering how little third party software is usually on macs...
apple os x is freebsd... which is open source... all the "pretty" stuff is owned by apple though... apples stability is not THAT impresive considering how little third party software is usually on macs...
i haf her a versie van windows vista leggen als het goed is
zeg maar als je wil
zeg maar als je wil
Thx for replying and liking my post!!
| Dragonfly wrote: |
| I never knew that Windows Vista is actually codenamed as the Longhorn. I thought it will be named Windows Longhorn. It has got many versions. Let's hope it improved many versions from Windows XP. |
I mean dont we have Windows XP and then Proffesional, Home, 64 bit, Media Centers, starter & blah blah. These are all XP with different packiging and some change
Its the same for Vista. Starter, Home Basic, Home premium, blah blah
I think basic is the pack thats in full compliance with it antitrust agreement & has nothin like Messenger & stuff where as premium products will have all Microsoft propritery products in it.
But the Ulitimate will be the one to Go for. (It dosent make a difference here in India. You can get any i mean ANY software for Rs 100 thats $2 from the roadside chap. Or for Rs 200 from a reliable person where what u get is guaranteed)
C'mon.
Vista is basically the same as XP, its based on it.
Windows/Vista Will always be targeted to make Virus' for etc.
And the coding is terrible.
Linux is good enough for me.
Vista is basically the same as XP, its based on it.
Windows/Vista Will always be targeted to make Virus' for etc.
And the coding is terrible.
Linux is good enough for me.
I am not sure Microsoft can bring us a great OS anymore.there are many virüs and spy attempts pn Windows so linux is better I think..
| LostOverThere wrote: |
| C'mon.
Vista is basically the same as XP, its based on it. |
What the heck u say its based on Windows XP. Man get your facts right, its based on a much better and safer base of Windows 2003 Server.
| LostOverThere wrote: |
| Windows/Vista Will always be targeted to make Virus' for etc.
And the coding is terrible. Linux is good enough for me. |
| babumuchhala wrote: | ||
What the heck u say its based on Windows XP. Man get your facts right, its based on a much better and safer base of Windows 2003 Server. |
Not really.
I think LostOverThere has got a valid point there.
because windows 2003 is not much different from windows xp (which inturn is much like windows 2000)
I copied these from my win2k3 enterprise edition's explorer.exe using resource hacker.
(see all the hidden os's for yourself !)
And talking of differences in the various versions of the same widows os,
the corporate and regular version of windows xp professional differ in just 11 files.
And the enterprise edition and the datacenter edition of windows 2003 differ in just 2 files !
And it's not really a bad thing.
Code reuse is good.
Remember Netscape who decided to re-write the whole browser ?
They were left behind while their competitors releases newer versions one after the other.
But a lot more work has gone into longhorn than say, windows 2003.
It looks really promising.
| babumuchhala wrote: | ||
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I agree with this, a the number of people trying to take down a software is proportional to number of people dependent on it.
As software reveals more security threats as its user base expands.
Oh well, I'm really looking forward to use the OS soon once it is release in our local market, Home Edition preferabbly. (By now, I'm saving some of my extra bucks to buy it)
I EXPECT THAT IT IS MORE SECURE THAN THE "PREVIOUS VERSIONS"..
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I EXPECT THAT IT IS MORE SECURE THAN THE "PREVIOUS VERSIONS"..
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From my first use of Win 3.1, I eagerly awaited to see the new developments of Windows - because it seemed that they were better than the last. However with the advent of Xp, I'm beginning to think that Microsoft has finally produced a product that is really good. Ie. No need to upgrade.
MS has been advertising heaps here in Australia about XP, with no real mention on Vista, and seriously, I see no point of getting Vista. Yer, a couple of new functions, etc, etc, but beyond that I see no point. I think XP is great. It is stable. It works. It looks good.
Is Vista just an excuse for us to consumers to be convinced that we need something we don't?
MS has been advertising heaps here in Australia about XP, with no real mention on Vista, and seriously, I see no point of getting Vista. Yer, a couple of new functions, etc, etc, but beyond that I see no point. I think XP is great. It is stable. It works. It looks good.
Is Vista just an excuse for us to consumers to be convinced that we need something we don't?
For all those wondering about what all the different versions will have here's a description fro Paul Thurrott's winsupersite.com
Windows Vista Starter Edition
Windows Vista Home Basic Edition
Windows Vista Home Premium Edition
Windows Vista Professional Edition
Windows Vista Small Business Edition
Windows Vista Enterprise Edition
Windows Vista Ultimate Edition
N Editions
I would like you to go to the site and se his feature breakdown list for each versions. (I would have loved to post it to but then phpBB dosent have anything to post tables)
The link: http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_editions.asp
After all this its Ulitimate Edition that needed to be bought. Plust will also not have any activation (mentioned in the feature breakdown table on the site), so its a boon for any one & everyone who want to get it.
Windows Vista Starter Edition
| Paul Thurrott @ winsupersite.com wrote: |
| Aimed at beginner computer users in emerging markets who can only afford a low cost PC. As with the XP version, Windows Vista Starter Edition is a subset of Home Edition, and will ship in a 32-bit version only (no 64-bit x64 version). Starter Edition will allow only three applications (and/or three windows) to run simultaneously, will provide Internet connectivity but not incoming network communications, and will not provide for logon passwords or Fast User Switching (FUS). Windows Vista Starter Edition is analogous to XP Starter Edition. This version will only be sold in emerging markets.
Windows Vista Starter Edition is lacking a number of unique features found in most of the other Vista product editions. There is no Aero user interface, for example, and no support for Castle-based networking. Other missing features include DVD Authoring, gaming common controller support, and image editing with enhanced touchup. The marketing message: For beginner computer users in emerging markets who can only afford a low cost PC, Windows Vista Starter Edition provides a more affordable and easy introduction to personal computing because it is lower priced, tailored to the needs of beginner personal computer users, compatible with a wide range of Windows-based applications and devices, and tailored to each market. |
Windows Vista Home Basic Edition
| Paul Thurrott @ winsupersite.com wrote: |
| A simple version of Windows Vista that is aimed at single PC homes. Windows Vista Home Basic is the baseline version of Windows Vista, and the version that all other product editions will build from. It will include features such as Windows Firewall, Windows Security Center, secure wireless networking, parental controls, anti-spam/anti-virus/anti-spyware functionality, network map, Windows Search, Movie Maker, Photo Library, Windows Media Player, Outlook Express with RSS support, P2P Messenger, and more. Windows Vista Home Basic Edition is roughly analogous to Windows XP Home Edition. This version is aimed at general consumers, Windows 9x/XP Starter Edition upgraders, and price sensitive/first-time buyers. Like Starter Edition, Home Basic Edition will not support the new Aero user interface.
The marketing message: For mainstream Windows customers, Home Basic is where it all begins. Here, Microsoft will be pushing "peace of mind" and "performance," and will promise consumers a faster, more secure and reliable productivity experience. Home Basic Edition is secure by default and easy to keep secure. You can trust Windows with your most important tasks and data and complete everyday tasks faster. |
Windows Vista Home Premium Edition
| Paul Thurrott @ winsupersite.com wrote: |
| Whole home entertainment and personal productivity throughout the home and on the go. As a true superset of Home Basic, Windows Vista Home Premium Edition will include everything from Home Basic, as well as Media Center and Media Center Extender functionality (including Cable Card support), DVD video authoring and HDTV support, DVD ripping support (yes, you read that right), Tablet PC functionality, Mobility Center and other mobility and presentation features, auxiliary display support, P2P ad-hoc meeting capabilities, Wi-Fi auto-config and roaming, unified parental controls that work over multiple PCs, backup to network functionality, Internet File Sharing, Offline Folders, PC-to-PC sync, Sync Manager, and support for Quattro Home Server. Windows Vista Premium Edition is similar to XP Media Center Edition, except that it adds numerous other features and functionality, including Tablet PC support. My guess is that this will be the volume consumer offering in the Windows Vista timeframe (today, XP Pro is the dominant seller). This version is aimed at PC enthusiasts, multiple-PC homes, homes with kids, and notebook users.
The marketing message: Home Premium Edition turns it up a notch. In addition to the baseline functionality offered in Home Basic, this version focuses on such things as integrated entertainment (movies, memories, and more), mobility (media and productivity on the go), and connected living (connect with family, friends, and home). Home Premium Edition supplies whole-home entertainment and personal productivity throughout the home and on the go. |
Windows Vista Professional Edition
| Paul Thurrott @ winsupersite.com wrote: |
| A powerful, reliable and secure OS for businesses of all sizes. Windows Vista Pro Edition will include domain join and management functionality, compatibility with non-Microsoft networking protocols (Netware, SNMP, etc.), Remote Desktop, Microsoft Windows Web Server, and Encrypted File System (EFS). Additionally, Pro Standard will include Tablet PC functionality. Windows Vista Pro is roughly analogous to XP Pro today. This version is aimed at business decision makers and IT managers and generalists.
The marketing message: Vista Pro is a powerful, reliable, and secure operating system. It helps PC users be more effective at work and offers improved connectivity and access to information, so that companies can realize better return on their IT investment. |
Windows Vista Small Business Edition
| Paul Thurrott @ winsupersite.com wrote: |
| Designed for small businesses without IT staff. Small Business Edition is a superset of Vista Pro Standard Edition, and includes the following unique features: Backup and Shadow Copy support, Castle and server-join networking, and PC fax and scanning utility. Additionally, Microsoft is looking at including a number of other features, many of which might be cut: These include Small Business Edition guided tour, pre-paid access to the Windows Live! Small Business or Microsoft Office Live! subscription services, Multi-PC Health (a managed version of Microsoft One Care Live), and membership in the Microsoft Small Business Club online service. Microsoft will offer a Step-Up program for Small Business Edition that will allow customers to upgrade to Windows Vista Enterprise Edition (see below) or Windows Vista Ultimate Edition (see below) at a reduced cost. This SKU is new to Windows Vista; there is no XP Small Business Edition. This version is aimed at small business owners and managers.
The marketing message: Small Business Edition provides smooth operation even for those businesses without an IT staff. It is the operating system designed to help small businesses start, grow and thrive. |
Windows Vista Enterprise Edition
| Paul Thurrott @ winsupersite.com wrote: |
| Optimized for the enterprise, this version will be a true superset of Windows Vista Pro Edition. It will also include unique features such as Virtual PC, the multi-language user interface (MUI), and the Secure Startup/full volume encryption security technologies ("Cornerstone"). There is no analogous XP version for this product. This version is aimed at business decision makers, IT managers and decision makers, and information workers/general business users. Enterprise Edition will be offered exclusively through Software Assurance.
The marketing message: Enterprise Edition provides an advanced application compatibility solution that will be crucial to many large business users, can be deployed to multiple language locales using a single image, and provides Secure Startup functionality for the ultimate in security on the go. It is the client OS that is optimized for the enterprise. Enterprise Edition reduces IT cost and complexity by providing tools that protect company data, reduce the number of required disk images, and ensure the compatibility of legacy applications. |
Windows Vista Ultimate Edition
| Paul Thurrott @ winsupersite.com wrote: |
| The best operating system ever offered for a personal PC, optimized for the individual. Windows Vista Ultimate Edition is a superset of both Vista Home Premium and Vista Pro Edition, so it includes all of the features of both of those product versions, plus adds Game Performance Tweaker with integrated gaming experiences, a Podcast creation utility (under consideration, may be cut from product), and online "Club" services (exclusive access to music, movies, services and preferred customer care) and other offerings (also under consideration, may be cut from product). Microsoft is still investigating how to position its most impressive Windows release yet, and is looking into offering Ultimate Edition owners such services as extended A1 subscriptions, free music downloads, free movie downloads, Online Spotlight and entertainment software, preferred product support, and custom themes. There is nothing like Vista Ultimate Edition today. This version is aimed at high-end PC users and technology influencers, gamers, digital media enthusiasts, and students.
The marketing message: Ultimate Edition is the "no compromises" version of Windows Vista. It provides the best performance, most secure and complete connection to the office, and is optimized for the individual. Everything you need for work or fun is included. It is the best operating system ever offered for the personal PC. |
N Editions
| Paul Thurrott @ winsupersite.com wrote: |
| Finally, I should note that Microsoft is planning to offer so-called N Editions of Windows Vista for the European market, in order to meet the requirements of an antitrust ruling there. Windows Vista N Editions--Home Edition N and Professional Edition N--will mirror the Home Basic and Professional Editions of Windows Vista, respectively, but will not include Windows Media Player and other media-related functionality. |
I would like you to go to the site and se his feature breakdown list for each versions. (I would have loved to post it to but then phpBB dosent have anything to post tables)
The link: http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_editions.asp
After all this its Ulitimate Edition that needed to be bought. Plust will also not have any activation (mentioned in the feature breakdown table on the site), so its a boon for any one & everyone who want to get it.
| Bondings @ http://frihost.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6378 wrote: |
| You also need to give your own opinion about it. |
Please read the rules.
| babumuchhala wrote: |
| I would like you to go to the site and se his feature breakdown list for each versions. (I would have loved to post it to but then phpBB dosent have anything to post tables)
The link: http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_editions.asp After all this its Ulitimate Edition that needed to be bought. Plust will also not have any activation (mentioned in the feature breakdown table on the site), so its a boon for any one & everyone who want to get it. |
As my teacher says, Windows always looks like Mac OS, but they are always a bit late.
Maybe it would be a good version, but I'll keep XP. The big problem is that Microsoft doesn't often let us having choice concerning the software.
Maybe it would be a good version, but I'll keep XP. The big problem is that Microsoft doesn't often let us having choice concerning the software.
I also stay with XP. And of course with Linux 
i didnt know it before
i'd like to try it
i'd like to try it
Windows is a shit..linux is best but the compatiblity with other software is not that good
I completely agree with you. I have been using it for a year already.
I've lost all hope in Windows and Microsoft..but Vista seems a bit interesting.
Stickied, Made official.
All other vista threads will be locked.
All other vista threads will be locked.
I have a MSDN subscription also, and installed it on my machine, it ran pretty good and looked alright, except one day i tried to boot it and it just would go to a black screen and i tried the recovery mode on the installation cd and it didn't help at all. I also hope that by the time it comes out it looks a lot less like xp and a lot more improvements on th gui, i personally like all that fancy crap 
Looking forward to its retail release
Looking forward to its retail release
Im not looking to far forward to Vista... I heard they are releasing 7!!! versions of it... its crazy as if XP doesnt have enough Vista is set to have 4 Home Editions and 3 Bussiness orientated Editions.
Ive seen some of the software so far it has some interesting aspects for sure but... not sure if im anxious to see it released.
Ive seen some of the software so far it has some interesting aspects for sure but... not sure if im anxious to see it released.
I like some of the things in Linux and Mac better than Windows, but I'll probably always stick with Windows, mainly because I've been using it all my life and am comfortable with it, and also the software I use doesn't come on Linux or Mac (yet).
| babumuchhala wrote: | ||||||||||||||||
| For all those wondering about what all the different versions will have here's a description fro Paul Thurrott's winsupersite.com
Windows Vista Starter Edition
Windows Vista Home Basic Edition
Windows Vista Home Premium Edition
Windows Vista Professional Edition
Windows Vista Small Business Edition
Windows Vista Enterprise Edition
Windows Vista Ultimate Edition
N Editions
I would like you to go to the site and se his feature breakdown list for each versions. (I would have loved to post it to but then phpBB dosent have anything to post tables) The link: http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_editions.asp After all this its Ulitimate Edition that needed to be bought. Plust will also not have any activation (mentioned in the feature breakdown table on the site), so its a boon for any one & everyone who want to get it. |
And what is the differince ? In fact?? The same as XP Pro and Home. In fact there are SOME differenties!!! not much!
8 diff versions = more money for them....if they were looking out for the consumer they would release one ultimate version and you could choose which one you wanted to install from that one main version
See, from what I understand, the major upgrade that was coming through on windows Vista was a new filesystem, dubbed WinFS. This was going to be the selling point. But somewhere along the road Microsoft has dumped this idea, and are instead saying that it will be included in a later operating system.
It really annoys me. All windows Vista is now is some new features that CAN be done without it and, of course, a very cool-looking desktop. But still, is that worth having to buy a very expensive new computer for?
It really annoys me. All windows Vista is now is some new features that CAN be done without it and, of course, a very cool-looking desktop. But still, is that worth having to buy a very expensive new computer for?
What is it so interesting to go over Vi$ta?
Besides it's a micro$oft marketing strategy, it will make another new buggie OS to users fight for hackerz, virus, and even online registration of ms-products (how are u sure no-personal-information-send-to)
I feel I'll do more installation of antivirus, antispam, antihack, antispyware, and etc to the new window$ system.
just my anti-mirco$oft opinion.
Besides it's a micro$oft marketing strategy, it will make another new buggie OS to users fight for hackerz, virus, and even online registration of ms-products (how are u sure no-personal-information-send-to)
I feel I'll do more installation of antivirus, antispam, antihack, antispyware, and etc to the new window$ system.
just my anti-mirco$oft opinion.
^^, Windows Vista probably will be cool XD...
But i heard rumors about "they" are making a Virus to Win. Vista ^^, you can download WV by .torrent ^^
But i heard rumors about "they" are making a Virus to Win. Vista ^^, you can download WV by .torrent ^^
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So Y can't use vista on a AMD Athlon 2400mhz and 20gb?
What kind of stupid Idea is that?
So everyone who wants to use Windows Vista has to have the newest and most expensive computer?
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So Y can't use vista on a AMD Athlon 2400mhz and 20gb?
What kind of stupid Idea is that?
So everyone who wants to use Windows Vista has to have the newest and most expensive computer?
NO, no not 8, but 20 Vista versions:
Windows Vista Starter
Windows Vista Home Basic
Windows Vista Home Premium
Windows Vista Ultimate
Windows Vista Pro Standard/SB
Longhorn Enterprise Server (ADS)
Longhorn Enterprise Server - IA64
Longhorn Standard Server
Longhorn Datacenter Server
Windows Vista Pro Std/SB/Ent - VL Binding Service
Windows Vista Pro Std/SB/Ent - VLGeneric
Windows Vista Pro Std/SB/Ent - DMAK
Windows Vista Starter Digital Boost - OEM
Windows Vista Home Basic - OEM
Windows Vista Home Premium - OEM
Windows Vista Ultimate - OEM
Windows Vista Pro Standard/SB - OEM
Longhorn Enterprise Server - OEM
Windows Vista Home Basic N
Windows Vista Pro Standard N
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Windows Vista Starter
Windows Vista Home Basic
Windows Vista Home Premium
Windows Vista Ultimate
Windows Vista Pro Standard/SB
Longhorn Enterprise Server (ADS)
Longhorn Enterprise Server - IA64
Longhorn Standard Server
Longhorn Datacenter Server
Windows Vista Pro Std/SB/Ent - VL Binding Service
Windows Vista Pro Std/SB/Ent - VLGeneric
Windows Vista Pro Std/SB/Ent - DMAK
Windows Vista Starter Digital Boost - OEM
Windows Vista Home Basic - OEM
Windows Vista Home Premium - OEM
Windows Vista Ultimate - OEM
Windows Vista Pro Standard/SB - OEM
Longhorn Enterprise Server - OEM
Windows Vista Home Basic N
Windows Vista Pro Standard N
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So Vista has a same Xp like Edition relase like Starter Edition, as MS now launched XP starter edition for XP. same fro Vista from beginning..
The more versions they have, more money they´ll get.
I'd love to get Vista. But I don't have it.
That's pretty interesting.
I'll be content when it's finally released.
I'll be content when it's finally released.
I think this discussion is a waste of time....
When something is still in its development stages... how can u tell whether it will be good or not,....
its like tasting an unbaked cake and then asking ppl how u like it ....
When something is still in its development stages... how can u tell whether it will be good or not,....
its like tasting an unbaked cake and then asking ppl how u like it ....
Well, it's Microsoft, so it probably won't be good.
cant wait...2006 is to far away
I have to admit, I use Windows. I'm not a fan of Microsoft, but I can't be against them. However, I'm certainly not buying Vista. Remember Windows ME. Remember how it was exactly like Windows 98. Same applies here: if(Windows XP == Windows Vista){it probably isn't worth it}.
| Kd527 wrote: |
| Well, it's Microsoft, so it probably won't be good. |
| rootC wrote: |
| I have to admit, I use Windows. I'm not a fan of Microsoft, but I can't be against them. However, I'm certainly not buying Vista. Remember Windows ME. Remember how it was exactly like Windows 98. Same applies here: if(Windows XP == Windows Vista){it probably isn't worth it}. |
same.. i wont be buying it for a few reasons, mainly because of hte high security it has built in which apparently stops any illegal downloading and other stuff (i'm not saying i download stuff illegally though)
and mac os x (or maybe a newer version) will be running on x86 properly by then so i'll have that.. at least that would mean a computer that i wouldnt have to reformat every 3 months
I tried out Vista Beta 1 for a few weeks and I was not happy with it at all. I thought it was an even less stable xp wrapped in a new interface. and xp was what forced me to switch to apple about a year ago. I was hoping that things would be different this time cause i heard some good initial reviews of vista. everything that I hated about Vista beta 1 was mostly due to it being a beta. but it still felt like I was in xp with a skin on it. I hear that MS is changing their whole development model and focusing on a more solid kernel. hopefully this turns out better than their last 2 os's did.
its the developement culture of ms. .. unless they change their mental models ... all their products will be of the same quality..
yeah, them admitting to the problem with the last couple of windows version originating from their development model is a huge step. their so might turn out to be a lot more solid and stable if they get back to focusing on the fundamentals. I was afraid that they were going to just plug some holes in xp, add a few features and call it vista. for a while I was hearing that longhorn would basically be a xp sp3.
I've already gone back to xp sp2 but when I was trying out vista beta 1 I couldn't even find the sidebar feature. from what I've read it sounds like Apple's dashboard widgets. but I couldn't even find it at all. does anyone know how to activate the sidebar in vista beta 1? I was really curious to see how well those worked. is that not included in beta 1? or did I miss that part on the installation?
Just a side note for all you thinking about going to windows vista. Look at microsofts anti pirate software they have added into vista. ( the full version). The anti pirate software will nto allow you to burn and dvd's or cd's or any other media that you do not own the copyright own. That means not more backing up DVD's to keep orgianl from getting messed up. Or if you liek me you copy your cd's that you use in the car just in case the get stole or scratched. Well with the new Anti private software theis will come to an end. Just something for you to think about before you go installing a new OS
OK, so, when is this going to make it out into the wild? Do I have to wait for iLife '06 and OS 10.5? I'm getting a brand new (previous generation) iMac G5 this week and would love to add FrontRow to it to go along with Airport Express...
Whoa. I don't know why, but I got really excited when I saw this. Is there any chance any of you could give me a copy of Front Row? Do you honestly think that my iMac G4 700 can handle it? I don't really care if it can or not, I'll just do it for the enormous pleasure in it.
I just tried, works great on a new iBook 12inches. A bit slow on the video. Wanna hear something exciting? .. go to http://labs.divx.com/ and install the divx fusion codec beta 3 for mac (it now works with quicktime 7). Well I can confirm that FrontRow plays Divx in my iBook, most of them prefectly ... only for some reason my Firefly divx doesn't have sound.
Tomorrow my ibook to S-video monster cable arrives. This plus my palm with salling clicker ... and you have a great media player.
Tomorrow my ibook to S-video monster cable arrives. This plus my palm with salling clicker ... and you have a great media player.
This is good to see, but when will we be able to buy it. I think January Mac world? will be fun, and expensive.
If the New Mac mini comes out with 1.5 G4 and 64 video and more RAM, I hope it will be able to play the Quicktime HD trailers. If it can do that then Divx HD, Nero HD and .TS files should be OK too.
Man he has one nice set-up, that video looked good on that what 80 - 100 inch screen. And the files H.264, 640 x 360 AAC, Not bad. Maybe itunes video downloads future upgrade here.
MAC MINI to the Living room!!!!
If the New Mac mini comes out with 1.5 G4 and 64 video and more RAM, I hope it will be able to play the Quicktime HD trailers. If it can do that then Divx HD, Nero HD and .TS files should be OK too.
Man he has one nice set-up, that video looked good on that what 80 - 100 inch screen. And the files H.264, 640 x 360 AAC, Not bad. Maybe itunes video downloads future upgrade here.
MAC MINI to the Living room!!!!
you can download it through bitTorrent. its really smooth. and if you have 10.4.3 then the install is really simple (not that its not simple anyway, just a few less steps).
its a stupid update of xp. its has a couple of small updates and thats all. and you cant put it on an older computer. thats more stupid. i would say: get linux, buy or 'hack' wine and play all the games and other programs with Wine (u can play applications for windows run in it).
Vista has by the way a linux look and features that are already in linux. windows is just a new os based on xp and a lot of things from linux
Vista has by the way a linux look and features that are already in linux. windows is just a new os based on xp and a lot of things from linux
Microsoft plans two general Vista edition categories, which map closely to the two that exist today for Windows XP (XP Home Edition, which includes XP Starter, Home, and Media Center Editions, and XP Professional Edition, which includes XP Pro, Pro x64, and Tablet PC editions). Vista will feature two categories: Home and Business. In the Home category, Microsoft will create four product editions: Vista Starter Edition, Vista Home Basic Edition, Vista Home Premium Edition, and Vista Ultimate Edition (previously known as the "Uber" Edition). The Business category will feature three editions: Vista Small Business Edition, Vista Professional Edition, and Vista Enterprise Edition.
I've tried it, and I've decided that unless they make some MAJOR changes, I'm gonna stay with linux. I have used MS for years, and still do on some of my machines, but I'm getting tired of security flaws. Perhaps when Blackcomb comes out in 2011(?) I'll get it. But I did try windows Vista just to say I did. I can honestly say I have used every Windows system ever released, and some that weren't. Has anyone here ever heard of Neptune? Ever wonder why MS didn't make a 2k home edition? Well they did. But they never finished it. It's interesting though, because it includes many of the XP features.
PS: Please pardon my rambling, I'm tired. (60 hours since last slept)
PS: Please pardon my rambling, I'm tired. (60 hours since last slept)
What was Neptune? never heard of that one. I actually thought that 2000 was a lot more stable than xp. I just really hate xp. xp has been nothing but headaches for me.
I have to say that I was not very impressed with the beta version of Windows Vista. It seemed very confusing. I sure hope they fix it quite a bit before releasing it.
i just wanna know how to join the MSDN???
I don't want to sound like a fanboy, but we'll all probably end up upgrading to Vista just as we've eventually made the move to XP. Surely Micro$oft will force Win2K and XP users to make the upgrade by offering Vista-only upgrades, dropping support etc.
I'm hoping Vista 64 will have better driver support by the time its released! XP 64 is the worst for driver availability!
I'm hoping Vista 64 will have better driver support by the time its released! XP 64 is the worst for driver availability!
Just like Microsft ended support for Win98 it will do so for WinXP then eventually you will have to move to Vista.
| Defsanguje wrote: |
| yep, its still beta. vista < XP < 98 |
me < vista < 98 < 98se < xp < osx < 2000 < linux
I just recently got into the Vista/IE7 beta actually and in actual fact i am pretty disapointed.
Sure the beta looks mighty sleek etc but it is (as you may know) horribly buggy.
I find i never use it anymore and stick to other betas to pass my time instead
Yet i still think MSFT is an awesome corp
Sure the beta looks mighty sleek etc but it is (as you may know) horribly buggy.
I find i never use it anymore and stick to other betas to pass my time instead
Yet i still think MSFT is an awesome corp
I was the same way. I was actually pretty excited about the vista beta 1 being released. I hear some good things about it when it was first released....but I was pretty dissapointed when I started using it. I ended up getting rid of it after about three weeks of trying it out.
| i.am.Ben wrote: |
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i just wanna know how to join the MSDN??? |
Simple www.msdn.com if u have the money that is. MSDN is not free it costs
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| I was the same way. I was actually pretty excited about the vista beta 1 being released. I hear some good things about it when it was first released....but I was pretty dissapointed when I started using it. I ended up getting rid of it after about three weeks of trying it out. |
you have hit the nailo on the head!
argh i really dont wanna have to upgrade my os again I'm fairly happy with xp and it runs great rigth now so I dont want another piece of windows junk to come out and ruin everything
I predict it will be a piece of junk just like all the other versions until about a year later when its all patched up
I predict it will be a piece of junk just like all the other versions until about a year later when its all patched up
I see there's some other people on this fourm that uses and likes Macs.
I read the new features of Windoze Vista, and I saw the screenshots that they've released.
My blood is boiling, all right. It's amazing how the people at Macro$oft can "think" of all those things, that happen to already be on the Mac.
Virtual Folders -> Smart Folders
Gadets -> Widgets
IE 7 -> Appears to be the long lost cousin of Safari
The whole... What did they call them again? -> Reminds me of Aqua...
The intergrated search bar?
I'm sure the list would go on.
I don't have anything against Microsoft (laaaugh... I really don't!), although they need to think of something innovative for once. All of those new features are nothing new. 64bit prosessor, memery hog, a new look. Woohoo... You know what, make your operating system exactly like the Mac, and I would be using Windows right now, instead of being in the OS war. And as for you Linux people, some people use Windows and Macs because they are afraid of "breaking" their computers, as Linux isn't very user-friendly. I had both OSX and Linux installed for a while, but I gave up as I can't even get it to recognize my Airport Express. And what's a computer without internet? I couldn't keep the internet cable connected all the time, especially because I hace an iBook and I carry it around with me.
By the way, if this isn't long enough already, the person who said that he/she won't switch to OSX because there wasn't a Mac version of the applications he/she uses, there is a lot of other software simalar to almost every Windows applications.
I hope all of that is useful in some way, and keep in mind that (almost) all of this is just my opinion.
Riv
I read the new features of Windoze Vista, and I saw the screenshots that they've released.
My blood is boiling, all right. It's amazing how the people at Macro$oft can "think" of all those things, that happen to already be on the Mac.
Virtual Folders -> Smart Folders
Gadets -> Widgets
IE 7 -> Appears to be the long lost cousin of Safari
The whole... What did they call them again? -> Reminds me of Aqua...
The intergrated search bar?
I'm sure the list would go on.
I don't have anything against Microsoft (laaaugh... I really don't!), although they need to think of something innovative for once. All of those new features are nothing new. 64bit prosessor, memery hog, a new look. Woohoo... You know what, make your operating system exactly like the Mac, and I would be using Windows right now, instead of being in the OS war. And as for you Linux people, some people use Windows and Macs because they are afraid of "breaking" their computers, as Linux isn't very user-friendly. I had both OSX and Linux installed for a while, but I gave up as I can't even get it to recognize my Airport Express. And what's a computer without internet? I couldn't keep the internet cable connected all the time, especially because I hace an iBook and I carry it around with me.
By the way, if this isn't long enough already, the person who said that he/she won't switch to OSX because there wasn't a Mac version of the applications he/she uses, there is a lot of other software simalar to almost every Windows applications.
I hope all of that is useful in some way, and keep in mind that (almost) all of this is just my opinion.
Riv
The new features of vista are pretty superb. Don't get me wrong, I support open-source OSes. SuSE is my favorite. Yet, when it comes to windows, it's a generally user-friendly OS that even your grandma can use. I'll wait for the stable release of Vista. Who knows, microsoft may have more surprises hidden in their hats.
Lol, Windows Vista will have a good interface, but it will be a lot vunerable =P
I am a huge windows fan but I have to admit that Vista just looks like a pathetic attempt to copy Apple and it looks like they did a fairly bad job at it too.
| nakamaru wrote: |
| I am a huge windows fan but I have to admit that Vista just looks like a pathetic attempt to copy Apple and it looks like they did a fairly bad job at it too. |
definately. and the saddest part is osx is a copy of the linux gui!
hey - what do people know about the avalon software vista will come with?
i've used Windows Vista, and it's gived so bug lol
I think it's just another case of Vole being... well...Vole. They spend so much time and money creating hype about nothing. Yeah there will probably be one improvement and a reorganised GUI! But apart from that we will spend a lot of money on something that crashes if don't greet it as you switch it on!! But I try to be an optimist, so hey, maybe Vista WILL be the best thing since Tekken!
Windows Vista looks disgusting!! I hated the childish look of XP, though you are forced to use it if you want up-to-date software to run. They've started looking into semi-transparent windows too... Innovative (Because we havn't seen that yet on the Mac OS X!), also, it's already been done on Linux too.
It'll be funny to see how many virus alerts will be issued by Microsoft over the months after it's release with the amount of security holes that are left open "by accident". Just make sure that you're running firefox instead of IE7 when it comes round and you might save a bit of money on Virus software, that is if you decide to waste money buying Windows Vista in the first place...
GingerMagician
It'll be funny to see how many virus alerts will be issued by Microsoft over the months after it's release with the amount of security holes that are left open "by accident". Just make sure that you're running firefox instead of IE7 when it comes round and you might save a bit of money on Virus software, that is if you decide to waste money buying Windows Vista in the first place...
GingerMagician
i like the wallpaper i have seen in screenshots. works really good with the black-transparent look. im using the same wallpaper on my site : D
hi,
i dont think Vista is very good compared to xp, although its still in BETA1.
Mac OS X Tiger is far more Feature filled and user friendly and you dont have to have loads of power to use it like vista does. Microsoft in my opinion isnt doing very well at the moment apart from them releasing XBox 360. I recommend getting an apple mac as they are far more interesting and clean and simple! have a look at the iMac G5 its amazing! www.apple.com/imac . Apple Macs will be even better once the new intel ones are out!
i dont think Vista is very good compared to xp, although its still in BETA1.
Mac OS X Tiger is far more Feature filled and user friendly and you dont have to have loads of power to use it like vista does. Microsoft in my opinion isnt doing very well at the moment apart from them releasing XBox 360. I recommend getting an apple mac as they are far more interesting and clean and simple! have a look at the iMac G5 its amazing! www.apple.com/imac . Apple Macs will be even better once the new intel ones are out!
Good ol' Billy Gates & Stevie Balmer...
Some things never change. Maybe one day Microsoft will come up with an original idea, I mean besides their nutty licensing schemes and drm.
If you think Vista is cool (sad for you) check Sun's Looking Glass Project...
http://www.sun.com/software/looking_glass/
Now thats an OS...
Unfortunately it doesn't look like they've made much progress toward a release date in the past two years.
T. Farrell
Some things never change. Maybe one day Microsoft will come up with an original idea, I mean besides their nutty licensing schemes and drm.
If you think Vista is cool (sad for you) check Sun's Looking Glass Project...
http://www.sun.com/software/looking_glass/
Now thats an OS...
Unfortunately it doesn't look like they've made much progress toward a release date in the past two years.
T. Farrell
Windows Vista ?
Microsoft is a thief !
They have stolen many applications and features from Linux !
Did you see ?
Finally, Microsoft has realized that Linux is very good operating system and so they have planned to create a OS with a special COOOOL name like Vista...
Microsoft is a thief !
They have stolen many applications and features from Linux !
Did you see ?
Finally, Microsoft has realized that Linux is very good operating system and so they have planned to create a OS with a special COOOOL name like Vista...
in the internet found converter from xp to vista
| Raijenki wrote: |
| i've used Windows Vista, and it's gived so bug lol |
its buggy becuase its still being made
I saw the screenshot posted in one locked topic i don't think its an official release.because Microsoft will never give in to Firefox and replace IE with Firefox. Everybody is expecting IE 7 with vista.
| engalex wrote: |
| in the internet found converter from xp to vista |
those are just themes,welcome screen and not the interface
| Raijenki wrote: |
| Lol, Windows Vista will have a good interface, but it will be a lot vunerable =P |
Windows is never vulnerable.Also i want to know wheather LongHorn and vista are same ie codenames
| doomachine2000 wrote: |
| ...I thought it was actually quite sad.....it still has some errors... |
it's still beta
can it be the reason
I saw the videos, articles and pictures about it, and as I seen the interface of XP and Vista are nearly same
but it has got lots of pluses too
I'm not sure but as I know it will only run on 64bit PC's
Windows Vista was originally codenamed Longhorn. This version of windows would integrate into their new security techs (www.live.com) think microsoft anti-spyware and will also require the use of broadband. This new software would have an embedded computer chip which will prevent piracy of any sort. Like pirated DVDs CDs P2P etc. But it is in the beta version so it is very unstable. New features are the virtual folders and windows media player(like itunes) and also the side bar which displays analog clock wmp msn msg email weather info etc. It is suppose to run on 64 bit editon processors but 32 bit is ok if u have 2.8ghz 512 ram n 40 gb hdd. Hope this is useful
Sup Peeps,
I like playing around with Mac, XP, Linux, etc... Just love to see how far the technology goes (or doesn't go if it crashes lol ). Yet, I'm not a programer or a beta tester.
Does anyone know how I can get my hands on a copy of Vista? I have a spare computer I don't mind buggering up.
Thanks,
Mark
I like playing around with Mac, XP, Linux, etc... Just love to see how far the technology goes (or doesn't go if it crashes lol ). Yet, I'm not a programer or a beta tester.
Does anyone know how I can get my hands on a copy of Vista? I have a spare computer I don't mind buggering up.
Thanks,
Mark
VISTA stands for virus, infection (or instability), spyware, trojan and adware...
Got this little 450mhz 256RAM Dell computer that was given to me in an upgrade. Put Debian Linux on it. Ive got Word Processing, Number Crunching, Database, E-mail, Graphics, Internet, Diagramming, Games, Printing, DTP.
All free!
It has never crashed, and has been running for over three hundred days non-stop, without ever an error message or re-start.
No viruses, no spyware, no worms, phishing, malware, BUGS, UPDATES, bugs in the updates...
go ahead, spend your money on Vista, (2$ IS TOO MUCH TO SPEND ON A Microsoft product). I'll just get some real work done, without wasting a bunch of time FIXING my computer!
All free!
It has never crashed, and has been running for over three hundred days non-stop, without ever an error message or re-start.
No viruses, no spyware, no worms, phishing, malware, BUGS, UPDATES, bugs in the updates...
go ahead, spend your money on Vista, (2$ IS TOO MUCH TO SPEND ON A Microsoft product). I'll just get some real work done, without wasting a bunch of time FIXING my computer!
Personally, Vista will be interesting. If they do rebuild the core of the OS from the ground up, then it might be worthwhile to upgrade. But, I'm really disappointed in Microsoft. Most of the "new" technology and stuff in Vista is just copied off of Apple's OS X.
What's the point of trying out Vista? XP Pro is the perfect OS for me right now so i think I'll be sticking to it until the final version of Vista has come out.
Firstly, Vista already has a 1000 bugs. But that is the what beta's are for right.Also Windows Vista has a long way to go.
I suggest we dont rush into it because, this is exactly the steps that XP followed before it got stable,
Alpha's and beta's,
pre-realease version,
Retail version,
Xp home,
Service pack -1a
-1b
XP Pro
Service pack -2.
Media-center -2005.
And believe me, No windows OS is stable till it reaches atleast Service pack-2.
I suggest we dont rush into it because, this is exactly the steps that XP followed before it got stable,
Alpha's and beta's,
pre-realease version,
Retail version,
Xp home,
Service pack -1a
-1b
XP Pro
Service pack -2.
Media-center -2005.
And believe me, No windows OS is stable till it reaches atleast Service pack-2.
I can't wait for Vista
I am currently using XP, and find it to be a good OS, but it has many flaws - it keeps crashing all the time, even though my PC has pretty high specs.
Wish I could get Vista Beta
I am currently using XP, and find it to be a good OS, but it has many flaws - it keeps crashing all the time, even though my PC has pretty high specs.
Wish I could get Vista Beta
I like the name longhorn more then vista.
With a name like LongHorn, it sounds like we’re about to be gored.
If 1.2 billion Chinese choose Linux, that will also turn many computer users on the fense to switch to Linux too (i.e., greater service, more software written for Linux, more choice at the computer superstores, etc.)
LongHorn could become a shorthorn.
If 1.2 billion Chinese choose Linux, that will also turn many computer users on the fense to switch to Linux too (i.e., greater service, more software written for Linux, more choice at the computer superstores, etc.)
LongHorn could become a shorthorn.
I have a copy of Vista on one of my computers and it lags the computer is a 2.16 GHz And has 1GB of ram And it just dose not like it. It is just a moded vershion of Xp and they have overloaded it with like button effects, Its not that grate currently.
rumors said there will be eight different version of Vista when it is released. The eight are:
Windows Vista Starter
Windows Vista Home Basic
Windows Vista Home Premium
Windows Vista Business Basic
Windows Vista Business Premium
Windows Vista Corporate Basic
Windows Vista Corporate Premium
Windows Vista Ultimate
Which one will you get?
Windows Vista Starter
Windows Vista Home Basic
Windows Vista Home Premium
Windows Vista Business Basic
Windows Vista Business Premium
Windows Vista Corporate Basic
Windows Vista Corporate Premium
Windows Vista Ultimate
Which one will you get?
| bluefossil wrote: |
| rumors said there will be eight different version of Vista when it is released. The eight are:
Windows Vista Starter Windows Vista Home Basic Windows Vista Home Premium Windows Vista Business Basic Windows Vista Business Premium Windows Vista Corporate Basic Windows Vista Corporate Premium Windows Vista Ultimate Which one will you get? |
Hi Bluefossil,
Hard question to answer. Notwithstanding, one none negotiable feature is the ability to use “remote desktop connection.” I know that with XP Home edition, one cannot log on from another remote XP computer. However, if you have the XP Professional edition, then another XP computer can access “remote desk connection.” So… whichever edition offers that functionality, then for me that’s the starting point for purchase.
Say pendants and prognosticators,
When is Microsoft reporting the release of Vista?
Last question... I really love my TREO 650 cell phone (Palm and handspring OS). The new TREO 700 sports the Windows CE operating system. When will cell phone users be able to access the full functionality of there home desktop computer via a “remote desktop connection” from there cell phone.
OH… I want it all! And yesterday !!!
if you have SSE2 and SSE3 Tiger X86 All the way it is so sweet it runs on my PC I have it on a duel boot on my PC. I also have two macs it is cool.
It's smeggin' Windows people!!!
WTF? Could it ever be good?
WTF? Could it ever be good?
Robert Fripp was on the Microsoft campus a few weeks back. He's the famous guitarist and composer, known for his founding role in the band King Crimson.
So, what was he doing on campus? Recording the various sounds we'll all hear in Windows Vista.
So, what was he doing on campus? Recording the various sounds we'll all hear in Windows Vista.
Man its a good os..but too much configs man..Nice to see it has IP v6.. People hv the studied the v4 n nw this one..dont know how much time this thing will take to get nicely implemented...
Curious Seekers,
I stumbled onto a pretty good layman’s explanation) of what Windows Vista is supposed to do (if it lives up to it’s claims) on Answers.com.
In order to economize on space, I’ll refer you to the URL link below.
http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?method=4&dsid=1512&deid=1826340024&gwp=11&curtab=1512_1
Features that I find particularly interesting are: 1) Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF) graphics subsystem that supports 3D vector graphics, 2) XML Paper Specification (XPS) document format that provides a way for digital signatures and digital rights to be applied to documents, and 3) Windows Future Storage (WinFS) storage subsystem that uses relational database on top of the NTFS file system; thereby allowing users to combine heterogeneous data such as files, folders, e-mail and contacts into collections that can be viewed together.
Looks like license holders will have to call in to Microsoft and get a product code.
Humbug!
I stumbled onto a pretty good layman’s explanation) of what Windows Vista is supposed to do (if it lives up to it’s claims) on Answers.com.
In order to economize on space, I’ll refer you to the URL link below.
http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?method=4&dsid=1512&deid=1826340024&gwp=11&curtab=1512_1
Features that I find particularly interesting are: 1) Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF) graphics subsystem that supports 3D vector graphics, 2) XML Paper Specification (XPS) document format that provides a way for digital signatures and digital rights to be applied to documents, and 3) Windows Future Storage (WinFS) storage subsystem that uses relational database on top of the NTFS file system; thereby allowing users to combine heterogeneous data such as files, folders, e-mail and contacts into collections that can be viewed together.
Looks like license holders will have to call in to Microsoft and get a product code.
Humbug!
rumors say you can plug it into your house and you can control the fans, air conditioning, tv, radio, etc? this may sound weird but...??
lol that is pretty false eh. how can it like pulg into our house system and start controling the fans and television. perhaps the source is quite irreliable. anyway even if it cant do these amazing funtions, there would be laptops specially made for vista i heard. vista allows this function of a second screen other then the main screen. its said to be that this second screen can access your email, powerpoint, listen to music even if the computer is shut down. yea i find thos very cool but it depends on whether one would want to spend the money on a laptop
I'm lookin' forward to dual booting this pretty soon. After seeing some screens of the new release, I am soooo tempted. Anyone have any suggestions?