I've also posted this in the religion forum.
I get the feeling that climate change deniers are mostly from 2 groups:
- those with a vested interest in energy companies
- religious "conservatives" (not the perfect word, but "extremists" is worse)
The energy people have to much to lose financially, so basically just don't care about the future, the religious believe God is causing global warming or that he will save us from it.
If you don't believe in climate change or don't think it'll be that bad, which group would you say you're in?
Also, how do religions other than Christianity weigh in on climate change? Or they are one of these end of the world freaks who thing that they could do anything they won;t to the world cause "the end is near and Jesus is returning"
Most people who deny it choose to ignore the evidence and give other possibility's that in reality don't account for it.
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those with a vested interest in energy companies
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I like that your thinking about why people deny climate change - but you need to think deeper still i believe; nearly everone in the west has a vested interest in energy companies - because we *need* those companies to go and steal oil for us - every time we fill up a car, or buy fuel to heat your house, or buy food, we are paying for the energy companies to get the fuel, kind regards, spamI am a catholic and still believe that since we have free choice it is up to us to sort out the world. If we want to destroy the world then we also have to try to counteract this by protecting it. we were put on earth to nuture protect and guard the environment and animals. Therefore if we want to try and destroy the world then that is up to us but we must face the consequences.
As a rather conservative christian I believe we're supposed to take good care of the earth. So no denying, but the conviction that we should stop polluting and destroying the world we live in.
As a Jesuschrist follower, I have to say that I do not deny global warming,neither the people of my circle...It is something we kept crying out lout 20 years ago....Sin is the cause...and Stop sinning is the solution...Sounds naive...and too simple..But,,believe me, I ve analized it in a lot of possible solutions..and none is sustainable if we keep sinning...
10 years ago,,scientist said that it will take 50 years to have a 1 degree rise..It just took 10 years to reach that 1 degree rise...Why ? You know the answer allready.....SIN.
I think you have to be careful not to categorize.
For instance, the community I grew up in was extremely conservative. Surprisingly, this neighborhood had dissenting views on global warming even amongst some of the most staunch Republicans.
I remember our pastor talking about it one Sunday in church. According to him, it was a Christian's duty to protect the earth.
On the other hand, yes, I can see where certain Christian-conservatives would support more lenient policies on pollution. Like I said, however, it is difficult to generalize.
--rainmaker
I am a Christian, and I seriously not deny the global warming. If it's been scientifically proven that the global warning is caused by the people who live on it, you can't deny science.
I think it will still take a long time before we really take soms steps against this serious problem, much already is lost.
I agree with the last post.
I urge anyone interested in this matter to consider watching Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth," which examines some of the ramifications of global warming. It was very informative.
--rainmaker
It has not so much to do with religion rather than with the old conflict that has gone on between science and religion for so long, because religious people feel that science is challenging their beliefs. However, science tries to answer the How? and religion the Why?. These are two complementary things, and everytime one of the two groups tried to interfere with the other question it all screwed up.
Also, I believe that religious groups, weither they agree or not, are sometimes manipulated by oil lobbies, as we all are. Money rules the world, nothing else these days. And these companies are so strong that they can challenge whole countries and rule our little lives just by snapping fingers. THAT'S the real problem.
wtf?
what does religion have to do with global warming?!?
the only thing that plays a role in the industry is MONEY. and loads of it. I would rather live in a clean world, but that's not because i'm religious. I'm just NORMAL.
I wonder why people even bother to reply seriously
This thread was not so much aimed at people, religious or non-religious, who believe in global warming. I'm not saying being religious means denying global warming or vice versa.
I think you can have faith in god, and still believe in global warming -- I don't think believing in global warming needs to affect your faith one way or another.
The question was aimed at those who don't accept that global warming is happening. I'm quite concerned that there are people out there who just choose not to accept what hundreds or thousands of experts tell us is real. And I'd like to understand what it is that makes those people feel that way.
Of course the data is hard to interpret, and skepticism is an important part of scientific inquiry, but the fact remains that the scientific community as a whole has analyzed the data and most have come to the same conclusion - global warming is happening, and it is caused by humans.
So if you don't agree with the above paragraph, why?
I guess I'm just concerned about people who are actively trying to deny global warming when there is so much evidence to support it. Or even those who accept that it's happening, but don't think there's anything they can do.
I think everyone should be doing everything they can to help, even if it is too late. Every little bit helps.
I agree with the last post....And I will add,,that...We live among people that acknowledge that global warming is screwing our planet, but this very same people dont do a pee to try to fix it...They keep buying without thinking in the amount of carbon dioxide they will produce,,they keep buying,,etc,,etc...
I will more especific:
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most have come to the same conclusion - global warming is happening, and it is caused by humans.
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It is cause by human´s sins. Any possible solution is not sustainable if humans keep sinning..As I stated before...It sounds naive and too simple,,,but is simple truth..Sunday School simple truth.. | stone1343 wrote: |
I've also posted this in the religion forum.
I get the feeling that climate change deniers are mostly from 2 groups:
- those with a vested interest in energy companies
- religious "conservatives" (not the perfect word, but "extremists" is worse) The energy people have to much to lose financially, so basically just don't care about the future, the religious believe God is causing global warming or that he will save us from it.
If you don't believe in climate change or don't think it'll be that bad, which group would you say you're in?
Also, how do religions other than Christianity weigh in on climate change? |
Hi stone1343,
Your question (in the topic title) is very badly phrased.
In an evolving population, not all individuals suffer the effects of the religious/philosophical meme for all of their lifetime. 
For myself, “post-theist”, probably covers it: aren’t some gods cute, though?
Anyhoo…
The warm and warming phase currently experienced on Earth is nothing new, according to the Vostok ice-cores*. Fourier analysis (converting a time series into one of frequency) of temperature proxys over the last 5.2 million year shows periodicity at 40 and 100 kiloyears and a chaotic flip about two megayears ago in the planet’s temperature trace**.
Current best estimates (posted over at sciencefile.org’s YaBB) put the carbon dioxide gas output by the single species homo sapiens as ~1 part in 10[sup]10[/sup] (ten billion) of the atmospheric reservoir. Water vapour is the single most significant “greenhouse gas” known hereabouts and more than 70% of the planet’s surface is liquid water.
Hope this helps. ed.
* http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/icecore/antarctica/vostok/vostok.html
** Robert Ehrlich, 2007, http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/astro-ph/pdf/0701/0701117.pdfReligion doesn't effect my views at all. Global warming happens because humans are reckless with energy, and waste. In Brazil, everybody burns their trash. Think of the effects that's doing to the Arctic regions. I don't see how this could be connected to religion.
