As the adoption laws appear to be changing to allow gay couples to adopt in the uk what are your views on this subject. It seems the church is strongly against this descision but what do you think?
Is it wrong, is it about time, do you really care what it means?
Will the upbringing of the child be affected in any other way than normal?
Or is it a case of the child being brought up somewhere better than a care home regardless of the genger of there parents?
Discuss.
Gay couples have been allowed to adopt for a long while. Not sure when that first came about but it's been over a decade at a guess.
What's now happening is that it's now going to be illegal to discriminate against them. Meaning that Catholic and other orphanages that don't presently allow gay couples to adopt will either be forced to, or in the case of the Catholic run ones, close down.
What I think about that is, that it's another example of the government's mentality towards crushing the freedoms that people have. Although some good may inevitably come out of this mindset, a lot of long term harm will be done.
Don't forget that the UK is very slow at undoing some of the terrible laws that we've passed. For instance, the law whereby a person cannot be forced out of a house without signs of forced entry... still there. After all these years.
shouldnt matter a toos what their upbringing is.
the gays who were bought up i presume by straight parents of a different sex. a man and a woman.
yet they turned out gay. its just a case of who you are, so it shouldnt matter who you are bought up by. unless they dress you as a girl and your a boy and basically breed you to be gay.
I read recently [forgotten the source] that to be homeosexual is not environmental i.e. its not caused by the upbringing of a child by homeosexual parents.
New research has now indicated that it is genetic. Simply...you are either born gay or not gay.
This could be why som parents [straight] produce a offspring that is gay.
Therefore I think I can say that fairs fair in adoption. As long as the child is brought up with choice and freedom. Not only that but loved or else its pointless in adopting.
I see nothing wrong with homosexuals being able to adopt children. There's always a chance that the child will be asked questions about why they have two fathers or two mothers, but that's not much different than the questions that are asked when a couple adopts a child of a different ethnicity. Besides, why should gay people be denied the right to adopt because of something they have no control over? I'm sure that their parenting skills are just as good as those of everyone else. Plus, the more homosexual couples with children, the less people will discriminate against them.
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I doubt the fear of children being raised by homosexuals becoming homosexuals them selves have a great deal to do with this discussion. No doubt, however, the child would be affected by the irregular situation.
The main question should be the child’s welfare and not gay rights. In the US I am unaware of any laws disallowing gays to adopt. From what I understand any one is eligible to adopt regardless of being married or single. The trouble would be custody between two gays as I am unaware of custody laws for civil unions.
The main draw back of a gay couple raising a child is the lack of both types of traditional roles being in the child’s life. Of course, a child up for adoption is already lacking either.
Regardless, this should not be a gay rights issue. Discriminating against gay couples is only logical if a heterosexual couple is available.
In the case of adoption, where these kids are moving from foster home to foster home, I don't see how two gay responsible adults could have any worse affect on the child than the instability of foster homes. If the potential parents are checked out and screened, I see no reason to forbid them from adopting just because of their sexual orientation.
A gay partnership is definitely not a natural environment for a child.
Whether it is harmful is a totally different issue. Personally I believe it is not a good environment and yet as was pointed out by "Mannix" maybe it is better than a foster home situation.
Although I have no problem with single men or a group of men (2 or more) bringing up a child I do not believe that a gay environment of same sex sexual relations is in any way a good environment for a child.
Call me old fashioned, I don't care. You live to your values and I will live to mine.
In an age where religion seems to be becoming increasingly unpopular and religious values are under attack from secular, humanist society it is interesting that any criticism of homosexuality immediately gets a response of being intolerant, and yet Christianity as a whole is more tolerant of homosexuals than secular society is tolerant of the the church's right to follow it's own beliefs where it feels unable to condone homosexuality.
I find this to be the ultimate hypocrisy of secular humanist society.
Christians will, for the most part although indeed not all, say
"we believe it is wrong, but you must live by and accept the consequences of your own decisions."
and yet secular society says to Christians " If you don't agree with our views on homosexuality you are intolerant and bigoted"
Go figure. Who is really intolerant?
To me, it doesn't matter... I don't think children are any better or worse off if being raised by a homosexual couple. Surely there will be questions, but there's always questions with adoption.
Times are changing, folks. No longer can we deny the rights of others based on our own beliefs.
While I don't care whether two gay people get married or not. I do not think they should be able to adopt. Reasons being:
1) Children need a mother and a father, although this is not the ideal that is happening for every child, such as single parents, it still needs to be done whenever possible. There is a reason why there is a mother and a father.
2) Possible sexual confusion, I doubt it will happen to many children of gay couples, but once again, this should be prevented when possible.
3) Kids, are the most evil people on this earth and homosexuality is something most kids right now consider wrong and disgusting. Now imagine one of the kids in school finds out that one of their classmates has two daddies? This would socially ruin the childs childhood.
i think gay couples is also have the right to adopt a child,the uk have gave a good example to the world | cruisearound wrote: |
As the adoption laws appear to be changing to allow gay couples to adopt in the uk what are your views on this subject. It seems the church is strongly against this descision but what do you think?
Is it wrong, is it about time, do you really care what it means?
Will the upbringing of the child be affected in any other way than normal?
Or is it a case of the child being brought up somewhere better than a care home regardless of the genger of there parents?
Discuss. |
Anyone who adopts these days has to pass many tests and learn many parenting skills, so these parents, gay or straight can give their child the best possible life.
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| 1) Children need a mother and a father, although this is not the ideal that is happening for every child, such as single parents, it still needs to be done whenever possible. There is a reason why there is a mother and a father. |
You say there is a reason that children need a mother and a father, yet you do not give it. In my opinion, divorce (which is happening in over half of the couples) is worse than homosexual partners on the child.
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| 2) Possible sexual confusion, I doubt it will happen to many children of gay couples, but once again, this should be prevented when possible. |
I firmly believe that sexual orientation is, for at least the most part, determined by your development within the womb, meaning that it's in your genes. In my opinion, this argument has no value whatsoever.
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| 3) Kids, are the most evil people on this earth and homosexuality is something most kids right now consider wrong and disgusting. Now imagine one of the kids in school finds out that one of their classmates has two daddies? This would socially ruin the childs childhood. |
You would be surprised at how liberal kids are becoming. | Soulfire wrote: |
| Quote: | | 1) Children need a mother and a father, although this is not the ideal that is happening for every child, such as single parents, it still needs to be done whenever possible. There is a reason why there is a mother and a father. |
You say there is a reason that children need a mother and a father, yet you do not give it. In my opinion, divorce (which is happening in over half of the couples) is worse than homosexual partners on the child.
| Quote: | | 2) Possible sexual confusion, I doubt it will happen to many children of gay couples, but once again, this should be prevented when possible. |
I firmly believe that sexual orientation is, for at least the most part, determined by your development within the womb, meaning that it's in your genes. In my opinion, this argument has no value whatsoever.
| Quote: | | 3) Kids, are the most evil people on this earth and homosexuality is something most kids right now consider wrong and disgusting. Now imagine one of the kids in school finds out that one of their classmates has two daddies? This would socially ruin the childs childhood. |
You would be surprised at how liberal kids are becoming. |
1. Fathers are more experienced in being male, more benefit to a male child due to understanding and experience. For female children Father's have a male role model, somebody to teach how to interact with the opposite sex. Vice versa for a Mother. In addition, we all know that opposite sexes differ in behavior, no matter how politically correct you want to be, you gotta admit that. A child not having both forms is at a dissadvantage.
2. I couldn't agree more. However, people have been known to "experiment". A child with parents of the same sex, in a minority of cases I'm sure, could infact go through the confusion of not knowing, trying to maybe follow in their parents footsteps, thinking that's what they want, among other scenerios. In addition, before puberty, anything goes. A third grader, again in a minority of cases, could end up kissing another third grader of the same sex in a child like way that kids do now. Which brings me to...
3. Kids are getting more tolerant? Are you nuts, maybe by high school, but elementary school? junior high? PURE EVIL. Teachers are getting more and more ignorant to their students. I remember in elementary school, students could of said anything they want to a teacher and as long as there was more than 1 or 2 students saying the same thing, the teacher ate it up like candy. They could of assaulted another student and then went to the teacher and said that the student had assaulted one of them. Rumors, lies, physical assaults, EVIL. Imagine them knowing another student has gay parents, total destruction of the child's childhood. | Quote: |
| 1. Fathers are more experienced in being male, more benefit to a male child due to understanding and experience. For female children Father's have a male role model, somebody to teach how to interact with the opposite sex. Vice versa for a Mother. In addition, we all know that opposite sexes differ in behavior, no matter how politically correct you want to be, you gotta admit that. A child not having both forms is at a dissadvantage. |
I believe that anyone, regardless of sex, has the potential to administer correct parental care, and serve as good "role models". Actually, kids with same-sex parents would be at an advantage - think of all the scholarships they would be eligible for! In all reality, this argument may be true, but I don't think in the same terms that you are thinking.
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| 2. I couldn't agree more. However, people have been known to "experiment". A child with parents of the same sex, in a minority of cases I'm sure, could infact go through the confusion of not knowing, trying to maybe follow in their parents footsteps, thinking that's what they want, among other scenerios. In addition, before puberty, anything goes. A third grader, again in a minority of cases, could end up kissing another third grader of the same sex in a child like way that kids do now. Which brings me to... |
And the kid could watch a monkey eat its poop and then try to do the same. But in minority cases, perhaps, it's different depending on the individual.
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| 3. Kids are getting more tolerant? Are you nuts, maybe by high school, but elementary school? junior high? PURE EVIL. Teachers are getting more and more ignorant to their students. I remember in elementary school, students could of said anything they want to a teacher and as long as there was more than 1 or 2 students saying the same thing, the teacher ate it up like candy. They could of assaulted another student and then went to the teacher and said that the student had assaulted one of them. Rumors, lies, physical assaults, EVIL. Imagine them knowing another student has gay parents, total destruction of the child's childhood. |
I'm sorry that your school was like that, but in general, society as a whole is becoming more accepting and tolerant, which isn't a bad thing.1. There are scholarships for kids with gay parents!? Um, while gay parents can be good parents as I believe. I do, however, also believe they lack knowledge in the opposite sex i.e. a female would lack certain knowledge and experience in the male department.
2. Poop is not the same example as same sex parents. A child doesn't see a monkey eat poop everyday, and if they do, the monkey is not their care giver or role model. And if that monkey is their role model, I gaurantee you, that after watching and seeing that every day, a child would try it.
3. Considering how much school violence is now escalating, I think you're wrong.
Hmmm . . . so the choice is between adoption by someone who cares enough to devote their lives and money to raising the child, or the child being beaten, sexually abused and starved in a group home or foster "parent" situation.
Wow, that's sure a difficult decision.
Let them adopt, they should have the right to. lol, of course the church would oppose it.
I think being raised in by homosexuals with love is far better than being raised by for example abusing foster partners...but we have to think of other aspects, such as how it would influence the child.As much as it saddens me, we still live in a world where being different is not acceptable.A child being raised by 2 men/women would be looked differently at, his peers would make fun of him and all in all it could lead to a lot of heartache...Maybe if people changed a little bit...if they could make be a little bit more considerate...
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| I think being raised in by homosexuals with love is far better than being raised by for example abusing foster partners...but we have to think of other aspects, such as how it would influence the child.As much as it saddens me, we still live in a world where being different is not acceptable.A child being raised by 2 men/women would be looked differently at, his peers would make fun of him and all in all it could lead to a lot of heartache...Maybe if people changed a little bit...if they could make be a little bit more considerate... |
Changing the attitudes of society towards parents is too great an udertaking and would take too long if it worked.It's a lot better to have a family than to spend your childhood in a state orphanage, whether that family is two dads, two moms, one of each, or beyond.
Are there still laws preventing a single parent from adopting? I disagree with those, too.
Anyone fit for parenting should be allowed to adopt. Simple as that.
This post isn't so much about gay adoption, but more about gay parenting. My sister's first husband decided to leave her because he was gay, and has since married his live in boyfriend (in Canada), and still helps raise my nephew. The two men also raise a daughter, from the husband's first marriage, who is a bit younger.
I don't have a problem with gay adoption, or marriage. As long as the child is in a loving, nurtering environment, then I feel they will grow up to be well adjusted adults. Look how many prisoners were raised by male/female parents, and you'll see how ignorant the other side of the arguement is.
Take care,
John
That's all gay marriage or adoption is. One of many tools the ruling class uses to divide the rest of us. Both sexes created you. You can inherit every physical or emotional strait of your parent of the opposite sex, with the exception of sexual preference?...lol...that's horse$#!+! People who exercise the desire to be with someone of the same sex are only that. They do it and the rest of us, mostly fearful of the social repercussions, abstain. That's the truth of the matter. We're a bi-sexual species. Regardless of your words and even your actions, your personal identity changes as you mature and only becomes more prevalent as you age.
Our early gender-spike years serve our needs to reproduce. Clearly, there are men who are more masculine than others and women who are more feminine but we're all in the same, 60-40, 40-60 box. The "I'm normal" and "you're a freak of some sort" is a pathetic representation. Go ahead, lie for the upteenth time and deny it. Ring the bells of the conformists yet again. Unfortunately it won't ever change the truth.
Even heterosexual couples have a hard enough time adopting, and gay couples would be even further scrutinised before being allowed to adopt.
The adoption process is quite stringent and takes awhile...I think that anyone who wants that badly to be a parent, and would be a good parent should be allowed to adopt- gay, straight, whatever.
I'd rather have gay parents in a happy household than hetero parents in a miserable one...
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| As much as it saddens me, we still live in a world where being different is not acceptable.A child being raised by 2 men/women would be looked differently at, his peers would make fun of him and all in all it could lead to a lot of heartache...Maybe if people changed a little bit...if they could make be a little bit more considerate... |
Yes, peacedove, it is sad but true. There are pockets of the world where homosexuality is not an issue at all... however there are many places where people still have their "blinkers" on. I guess this raises another difficulty for adoption by same sex partners, which is figuring out the best area to live in for their children. You obviously wouldn't want to go and live in an area which was intolerant and biased...here in Sweden I'm sad to say that homosexual adoption already is allowed by law... which I personally think is total madness. The good thing though is that no adoptiton agencies gives out their kids to homosexual parents.. so they cant adopt anyways! 
That however doesnt stop lesbian couples from artificially inseminating themselves and then raising it with their partnter... | RallyMonkey wrote: |
| Anyone fit for parenting should be allowed to adopt. Simple as that. |
Who says if somebody is fit for raising children? No single person is fit to raise a child. But if that is the case that single person should definitely be a woman (a mother). But not having a father, brothers and sisters, grandparents, uncles and aunts, cousins, etc... puts a mark on the child. Because we are social beings! We need to stick together!
Individualism and political corectness destroyed the institution of family in US and Europe. We do not have a group of people dependent on each other any more. Instead independence is seen as a value! ... and living with your parents is a sin! 
An example: in US more than half the women are singles. They have jobs so they don't need husbands any more. Having a job interferes with raising children so fewer children. The West is literally dying. Read the population statistics. Only the immigrants (with their many children) bring fresh blood now!
I miss the big families: brothers and sisters, grandparents who help raising their grandsons, many cousins. What happy childhood I had! And I wasn't the favorite son! Not a dull moment!
In conclusion I think that any normal couple (yes that means one man and one woman) who has a complex social life (preferably already with children) should be allowed to adopt children. The rest of the crowd should not be allowed!The law might be changed in the future if we are used to this kind of stuff
