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giovle
Hello,
has anyone heard about the recent developments in datatransfer? Some scientists (some of the Catholic University of Leuven in Belgium) discovered a new organic material. This material is able to proces data some 3000 times faster than a fiberoptic cable... Can you even imagine the advantages of such a cable? The idea to get the thing started is to make it available to large groups like movieproduction. In stead of copying the films and sending the filmrolls to the theatres you would be able to watch it real-time from a server far away. Unfortunately, the cost is a bit too high to make it available to the common users Smile but hey, it's an advance in technology ... Who knows what greater purposes one can think of ....
QrafTee
giovle wrote:
Hello,
has anyone heard about the recent developments in datatransfer? Some scientists (some of the Catholic University of Leuven in Belgium) discovered a new organic material. This material is able to proces data some 3000 times faster than a fiberoptic cable... Can you even imagine the advantages of such a cable? The idea to get the thing started is to make it available to large groups like movieproduction. In stead of copying the films and sending the filmrolls to the theatres you would be able to watch it real-time from a server far away. Unfortunately, the cost is a bit too high to make it available to the common users Smile but hey, it's an advance in technology ... Who knows what greater purposes one can think of ....

I believe the organic element carbon was used to store data. And if I remember correctly, storing data hasn't been the problem, it's been getting the data back that has been proven troublesome. I remember this because I learned about it during Chemistry in High School and at the same time did my Econ project about making a hard drive using carbon to maximize data storage. I never got all the specifications about it though, so I winged it with my partner and we got an A. Razz
giovle
No I think you didn't understand me Smile it's not to store the data it's to transmit the data. Until now the fastest transmission was through a fiberoptic cable, but this new material is even 3000 times faster.
Bikerman
giovle wrote:
Hello,
has anyone heard about the recent developments in datatransfer? Some scientists (some of the Catholic University of Leuven in Belgium) discovered a new organic material. This material is able to proces data some 3000 times faster than a fiberoptic cable... Can you even imagine the advantages of such a cable? The idea to get the thing started is to make it available to large groups like movieproduction. In stead of copying the films and sending the filmrolls to the theatres you would be able to watch it real-time from a server far away. Unfortunately, the cost is a bit too high to make it available to the common users Smile but hey, it's an advance in technology ... Who knows what greater purposes one can think of ....


This sounds a bit dodgy to me. For a start optical fibre transmits information at a high percentage of c (speed of light) so anything which was 3000 times faster would have to be travelling at high multiples of c. Relativity says that is impossible. Quantum theory suggests that it would be possible only for 'entangled' particles and even then, no 'information' can be transmitted which exceeds c according to theory.

Can you supply more info or a link ?

Regards
Chris
giovle
hi,

I'll try to dig something up, I just heard it yesterday on the news ... At first I thought I misheard something. My first guess I understood a wrong number (3000) but when I searched the news topics on the tv I did read 3000. If I get some time between studying I'll try do find something ...

Grtz
Gio
Bikerman
giovle wrote:
hi,

I'll try to dig something up, I just heard it yesterday on the news ... At first I thought I misheard something. My first guess I understood a wrong number (3000) but when I searched the news topics on the tv I did read 3000. If I get some time between studying I'll try do find something ...

Grtz
Gio

That would be useful. As I said previously I really cannot see how this could be true since it would seem to violate fundamental laws of physics. Optical fibre transmits at the speed of light in glass which is, I seem to remember, about 0.55c(vacuum). 3000 times - that would be 1650 times c. Everything I know tells me that is impossible...
The only thing I can think of is that it might be comparing data rates with that of 'weak-index' multi-mode fibre (only rated to 50MB/s) rather than mono-mode which is much higher.....

Regards
Chris
giovle
Maybe that's a possible explanation, it does seem quite dodgy ... but anyhow, I'm going to search for information as fast as possible Wink

grtz
budiman
This is not a science fiction. I think this is real.

Organic materials indeed can offer a low-cost alternative for printed electronics and flexible displays. However, research in these systems must exploit the differences — via molecular-level control of functionality — compared with inorganic electronics if they are to become commercially viable.

One important opportunity for organic electronics is the area of radiofrequency identification (RFID) manufactured using an all-in-line printing process. This technology comprises fast-switching transistors, antennas operating at frequencies above 100 kHz, memory, and so on, all integrated into a plastic foil. The present target in many organic electronics labs around the world is to develop the high-speed (>10 kHz) transistors critical for such devices. The use of organic transistors instead of their inorganic equivalents is motivated by cost.
Bofia
3000x times faster doesnt have to be the speed. Maybe the data can be compressed 3000x smaller into the same volume
Bikerman
budiman wrote:
This is not a science fiction. I think this is real.

Organic materials indeed can offer a low-cost alternative for printed electronics and flexible displays. However, research in these systems must exploit the differences — via molecular-level control of functionality — compared with inorganic electronics if they are to become commercially viable.

One important opportunity for organic electronics is the area of radiofrequency identification (RFID) manufactured using an all-in-line printing process. This technology comprises fast-switching transistors, antennas operating at frequencies above 100 kHz, memory, and so on, all integrated into a plastic foil. The present target in many organic electronics labs around the world is to develop the high-speed (>10 kHz) transistors critical for such devices. The use of organic transistors instead of their inorganic equivalents is motivated by cost.


Can you elaborate a bit more? The original idea I responded to was that there was a way to transmit info 3000 times faster than optical fibre and I still think that is not possible. What you seem to be describing is an improvement in switching speed by using organic transistors...have I understood that correctly ?

Regards
Chris
giovle
Hi,

since my first post I created some disagreement on the fact if this was true or not ... First of all I need to see that it is a fact, but not quite as I stated it Smile for starters the transmissionrate is 37500 times higher than a normal ADSL-line (not a fiberoptic cable).
The key to this high rate seems to be a new type of molecule that reacts better to optic impulses than any other material ...

here is a link to the (dutch) document I found:
http://www.kuleuven.be/nieuws/berichten/2007/pb02_01_07.htm
There is also a link to this one:
http://ol.osa.org/abstract.cfm?id=119888

Since you have to pay for the last one, I haven't checked it out myself, but I'm looking forward to search for more info on the matter ... check back soon
giovle
I forgot to say that I didn't find any english pressrelease of the university itself, but if someone would want this document in english, I could make an effort Wink to translate it in english ...
Bikerman
giovle wrote:
I forgot to say that I didn't find any english pressrelease of the university itself, but if someone would want this document in english, I could make an effort Wink to translate it in english ...


Just give the link and I can run it through a translator

C,
giovle
Look at my previous post with the two links in it Smile the first link is a dutch document ...
Bikerman
giovle wrote:
Look at my previous post with the two links in it Smile the first link is a dutch document ...


Ahh...hadn't checked them yet Embarassed

My impression is that there is no disagreement now..my original response was to the idea of 3000 times faster than Optical, on the grounds that it seemed to violate basic theory. 3000 times ADSL is no theoretical problem Smile

Chris.
Arnie
It's not the cable they're making faster, it's the modulator that converts optical signals to electronical signals. The found substance apparently has a very strong interaction with light - so it is more sensitive.
giovle
Arnie wrote:
It's not the cable they're making faster, it's the modulator that converts optical signals to electronical signals. The found substance apparently has a very strong interaction with light - so it is more sensitive.


Indeed, as I stated just before: my first post was completly off, but when I read the article of the university itself, I saw my mistake.
But anyway, let's hope the can make it available for the common users as fast as possible Cool
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