http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327
It's said to shrink male's penis too.
Say it aint so... I love drinking soy milk. Wah.
It's said to shrink male's penis too.
Say it aint so... I love drinking soy milk. Wah.
Soy makes you gay
| Liu wrote: |
| http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53327
It's said to shrink male's penis too. Say it aint so... I love drinking soy milk. Wah. |
Have a ever heard anything more rubbish in my life?
I doubt it
If true, a huge if:
That sucks for health nuts. Actually I am one, but I don't like soy products so I'm not really affected.
That sucks for health nuts. Actually I am one, but I don't like soy products so I'm not really affected.
Well, since the site you listed is NOT a medical oriented site and no real sources are quoted, I have to say it is most likely bull.
On the other hand, estrogen is common in cows milk also....[url]
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11601881[/url]
Always check the sources as much as possible before believing anything you hear from the net, magazines, TV, friends, parents, etc..
On the other hand, estrogen is common in cows milk also....[url]
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11601881[/url]
Always check the sources as much as possible before believing anything you hear from the net, magazines, TV, friends, parents, etc..
Soy *supposedly* has some pretty bad characteristics and I wouldn't eat it too much, however there are only indications and no hard proofs of this.
About the gay part, apparantly WorldNetDaily gives their employees a bonus every time they bash gay people(just kidding, but this actually might be true). Most likely the author made the connection between estrogen and becoming gay completely himself. Most unbiased newspapers would fire or at least reprimand such journalists (and send them to WorldNetDaily ).
About the gay part, apparantly WorldNetDaily gives their employees a bonus every time they bash gay people(just kidding, but this actually might be true). Most likely the author made the connection between estrogen and becoming gay completely himself. Most unbiased newspapers would fire or at least reprimand such journalists (and send them to WorldNetDaily
).I was worried until I saw what website it was from...
Or, does being gay cause people to eat soy?
Even if there is a relationship between soy and homosexuality, you still can't jump to conclusions about the nature of that relationship.
Even if there is a relationship between soy and homosexuality, you still can't jump to conclusions about the nature of that relationship.
You know, the average gay male's penis is larger than the average hetero male's? And that higher estrogen levels increase facial hair growth in men?
Honestly, if someone is worried about remaining straight so much that they are willing to give up the wonderful world of soy products, someone's priorities aren't straight....
Honestly, if someone is worried about remaining straight so much that they are willing to give up the wonderful world of soy products, someone's priorities aren't straight....
Like my parents always say, "Eat and drink everything in moderation and it won't kill you."
Though this article does not seem to come from a reputable source so I don't believe it really....Another point I don't eat Soy products at all so I'm okay if it is true. hahahah
Though this article does not seem to come from a reputable source so I don't believe it really....Another point I don't eat Soy products at all so I'm okay if it is true. hahahah
| korbit wrote: |
| You know, the average gay male's penis is larger than the average hetero male's? And that higher estrogen levels increase facial hair growth in men?
Honestly, if someone is worried about remaining straight so much that they are willing to give up the wonderful world of soy products, someone's priorities aren't straight.... |
Is that true? A quick check gave me this factoid that seems to dispute your second statement:
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| In girls, there is very little change in testosterone,
but a large change in estrogen. This hormone causes increases in body hair, but does not cause facial hair because the hair follicles on the face are not capable of seeing the estrogen (no estrogen receptor). If girls are exposed to the male hormone testosterone, they too can grow facial hair. |
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/Apr2003/1049835250.Dv.r.html
Any research on your first statement?
Actually, if eating X was proven to make you gay, I think almost every straight person would avoid it. Most people are pretty darn happy with their personal sexual orientation.
It seems like something that might have some scientific basis, but it would be that soy is making males more feminine, not gay. There's a difference. And I'd like to see some sources for this to see if it really does increase estrogen levels.
| missdixy wrote: |
| It seems like something that might have some scientific basis, but it would be that soy is making males more feminine, not gay. There's a difference. And I'd like to see some sources for this to see if it really does increase estrogen levels. |
Thats the mystery, the article mentions no studies what-so-ever, apparantly.
Check out http://pandagon.net/2006/12/12/tofu-is-a-tool-of-the-homosexual-agenda/
| missdixy wrote: |
| It seems like something that might have some scientific basis, but it would be that soy is making males more feminine, not gay. There's a difference. And I'd like to see some sources for this to see if it really does increase estrogen levels. |
A very valid point and one that jumped into my mind too. Being more feminine is not what defines a man as gay. It is sometimes one of the 'symptoms' (sorry I couldn't find a better word) but it is not what makes a man gay.
After all I am 6'3", big, butch and hairy but this does not mean I am a macho a--hole, I have a gentle side too.
I would not give this article any credence.
It says that soy sauce does not make you gay , but soy milk makes you gay 
i seriously dont think its like making people gay for sure 
Liu...then I see unfortunate circumstances in your future... 
I really don't think so. Many people in HK drink soy milk
This theory is utter BS.
Many fear-mongers and reactionaries have been parroting this crap, but the fact of the matter is that it is written by someone who has picked and chosen the particular things that he wants to portray, and left the actual science out of it.
Here are the facts:
1) Soy contains moderate levels of estrogen-like compounds called "estritol." these compounds do indeed react to the estrogen receptors in the body, but they are very low in strength. Milk from a cow contains something on the order of 1000 times more estrogen strength than soy milk. Breast milk contains something around 3000 times the potency.
2) there is no proof that increasing estrogen consumption decreases testosterone production in males.
Many fear-mongers and reactionaries have been parroting this crap, but the fact of the matter is that it is written by someone who has picked and chosen the particular things that he wants to portray, and left the actual science out of it.
Here are the facts:
1) Soy contains moderate levels of estrogen-like compounds called "estritol." these compounds do indeed react to the estrogen receptors in the body, but they are very low in strength. Milk from a cow contains something on the order of 1000 times more estrogen strength than soy milk. Breast milk contains something around 3000 times the potency.
2) there is no proof that increasing estrogen consumption decreases testosterone production in males.
sweet, next hot girl i meet, i'm giving her soy EVERYTHING
I luckily don't use soy products but I also don't believe those stories. Come on, you can't become gay if you drink soy milk 
Are they seriously saying that being gay is caused by hormones and chemicals?! And since when did being more feminine equate to being gay?? As far as I can see, all the subjects mentioned in this article are about as far removed from each other as chalk and cheese!
Firstly, being gay is not something chemical, it's a state of mind, a set of feelings. It's not like, if someone pumped a gay guy full of testosterone he would magically become straight. As far as I'm concerned, about 90% of the male population could do with being injected with far more estrogen than can be found in soy products. On a side note, beer contains far more of the stuff, and is, shall we say, increasing the cup-size of many a drinker
Secondly, where did all this equating femininity and sexuality come from. Not to mention this whole debate mentions nothing of homosexual women becoming straight through consumption of soy products. I'm camper than a row of tents, dress up in drag because hey, I'm prettier than most girls But I'm still completely in love with my girlfriend. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the exception that proves the rule.
Finally, so what if the whole soy-drinking male population turns gay, I'm all for it. Less over-population, less council-estate little brats with ASBO's, seems preferable to me!
Firstly, being gay is not something chemical, it's a state of mind, a set of feelings. It's not like, if someone pumped a gay guy full of testosterone he would magically become straight. As far as I'm concerned, about 90% of the male population could do with being injected with far more estrogen than can be found in soy products. On a side note, beer contains far more of the stuff, and is, shall we say, increasing the cup-size of many a drinker
Secondly, where did all this equating femininity and sexuality come from. Not to mention this whole debate mentions nothing of homosexual women becoming straight through consumption of soy products. I'm camper than a row of tents, dress up in drag because hey, I'm prettier than most girls
But I'm still completely in love with my girlfriend. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the exception that proves the rule.
Finally, so what if the whole soy-drinking male population turns gay, I'm all for it. Less over-population, less council-estate little brats with ASBO's, seems preferable to me!
So what's the explanation for lesbian vegans? They (and I) like soy products and aren't really compelled to like men because of it.
Haha, that theory is pretty much BS.
Haha, that theory is pretty much BS.
I was discussing with some friends, and one of them told me that even though you won't turn gay from drinking soy, there is a chance you might develop moobs or the female equivalent of breasts due to presence of some compound, i think it was estrogen. i do know of a friend who drank 500ml of soya every day and he chest was indeed flabby.
I don't have facts to support the above, it was just a discussion, wonder if it is 100% true
I don't have facts to support the above, it was just a discussion, wonder if it is 100% true
| tyrant wrote: |
| I was discussing with some friends, and one of them told me that even though you won't turn gay from drinking soy, there is a chance you might develop moobs or the female equivalent of breasts due to presence of some compound, i think it was estrogen. i do know of a friend who drank 500ml of soya every day and he chest was indeed flabby.
I don't have facts to support the above, it was just a discussion, wonder if it is 100% true |
Yes, that is true. Men in the process of having a sex change will take extremely high doses of estrogen, which will cause them to develop breasts.
lol, i think its time i moderate my milk and soy intake.
I heard in science class if you have high levels of testosterone in your system, your body will compensate with more estrogen and vice versa.
They don't have sources to any science labs or anything, one thing my teacher told me is always to see how reliable they are.
I don't think that men can get gay of Soya, they can maybe just developed more female characteristics but it wont change of how they are thinking about other human beings.
I don't think that men can get gay of Soya, they can maybe just developed more female characteristics but it wont change of how they are thinking about other human beings.
| imera wrote: |
| They don't have sources to any science labs or anything, one thing my teacher told me is always to see how reliable they are.
I don't think that men can get gay of Soya, they can maybe just developed more female characteristics but it wont change of how they are thinking about other human beings. |
.. Characteristics ...
Behavioural or physical?
I think mostly physical.
But I was thinking about those that gets hormones to be more of female than male, is it the same?? Do they behave more like woman’s, easier to cry and such?? I don't think that it changes their thoughts at all.
But I was thinking about those that gets hormones to be more of female than male, is it the same?? Do they behave more like woman’s, easier to cry and such?? I don't think that it changes their thoughts at all.
"Homosexuality is always deviant." Ah, now there's a source I trust.
Then again, I've hated soy milk ever since I worked at a coffee shop. I swear it smells like rotten eggs when you steam it. And I'm straight! But, I suppose I do partake in the occasional tofu or salted soy bean. Rubbish I say!
Then again, I've hated soy milk ever since I worked at a coffee shop. I swear it smells like rotten eggs when you steam it. And I'm straight! But, I suppose I do partake in the occasional tofu or salted soy bean. Rubbish I say!
Clare M. Hasler, Ph. D.:
-http://web.aces.uiuc.edu/faq/faq.pdl?project_id=5&faq_id=969
There are many more sources.
Fact: Estrogen would cause men to act more like women but they require higher doses. Isoflavones would work in the same way because the body thinks it is the same chemical messenger.
I however do not think that soy products contain "five times what is found in a birth control pill." The article seems way too extreme but do be wary of soy.
| Quote: |
| "Soy contains estrogen-like compounds, not estradiol. The plant sources of estrogen in soy are weak estrogens, approximately 1/1000th the activity of synthetic estrogens. A moderate amount of soy containing foods should not be a problem. Soy products, such as tofu, contain compounds which are very similar in structure and function to estrogen, therefore they have both anti-estrogenic and estrogenic effects. These compounds are called isoflavones.
It is noted in the consensus statement that the safety of isoflavones at specific amounts has not been established and to receive potential health benefits, it is preferable to obtain isoflavones from whole foods. Approximately 25 grams a day of soy protein in soy foods provides approximately 50 mg/day of isoflavones (mg isoflavones=approximately 2X soy protein amount). Average soy protein intake / amount of isoflavones is listed below for the following foods (Soy Protein Partners): 1 cup fortified soy milk: 7 grams of soy protein / 43 mg isoflavones 1/2 cup tofu: 10 grams soy protein / 25 mg isoflavones 1/2 cup cooked soy beans: 14 grams soy protein / 50 mg isoflavones 1/4 cup soy nuts: 15 g protein / 78 mg isoflavones " |
-http://web.aces.uiuc.edu/faq/faq.pdl?project_id=5&faq_id=969
There are many more sources.
Fact: Estrogen would cause men to act more like women but they require higher doses. Isoflavones would work in the same way because the body thinks it is the same chemical messenger.
I however do not think that soy products contain "five times what is found in a birth control pill." The article seems way too extreme but do be wary of soy.
| chrismen wrote: | ||
Clare M. Hasler, Ph. D.:
-http://web.aces.uiuc.edu/faq/faq.pdl?project_id=5&faq_id=969 There are many more sources. Fact: Estrogen would cause men to act more like women but they require higher doses. Isoflavones would work in the same way because the body thinks it is the same chemical messenger. I however do not think that soy products contain "five times what is found in a birth control pill." The article seems way too extreme but do be wary of soy. |
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| Fact: Estrogen would cause men to act more like women |
I read the article above and still fount no "fact" that more estrogen in males would cause them to act more like a women. Yes, they may develop some features which naturally occur in women (increase in breast tissue, for example), but I find it (so far) hard to believe that behaviour can/will be affected.
I didn't get that from that article but an increase in estrogen would affect the way your brain behaves. Everything your body does including increasing breast size is regulated through the brain. Estrogen also does, however, affect the way you behave. Here is an example of a study experimenting with hormones in mice:
http://salmon.psy.plym.ac.uk/year1/psy128sexual_behaviour/sexbehav.htm
http://salmon.psy.plym.ac.uk/year1/psy128sexual_behaviour/sexbehav.htm
| chrismen wrote: |
| I didn't get that from that article but an increase in estrogen would affect the way your brain behaves. Everything your body does including increasing breast size is regulated through the brain. Estrogen also does, however, affect the way you behave. Here is an example of a study experimenting with hormones in mice:
http://salmon.psy.plym.ac.uk/year1/psy128sexual_behaviour/sexbehav.htm |
Well, I looked over the index in your link there and there is only a small section on estrogen and male behavior in rats.
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It appears that estrogen is important for maintaining mating in males. |
Did I miss a section that had any bearing on the question? I still would be interested in seeing some sort of citation relating to the estrogen in soy causing "female" behavior. You may be right, but if you are going to say it's a fact, could you back it up.
| HoboPelican wrote: | ||||
Well, I looked over the index in your link there and there is only a small section on estrogen and male behavior in rats.
Did I miss a section that had any bearing on the question? I still would be interested in seeing some sort of citation relating to the estrogen in soy causing "female" behavior. You may be right, but if you are going to say it's a fact, could you back it up. |
Complete ditto
While I agree that inducing any chemical into the body will change the chemical makeup of your body and most likely your brain and have a direct influence on your thoughts and actions, I see no reason to state that estrogen makes you think like a girl. Merely because females naturally have more estrogen than males does not empirically mean that estrogen is the defining factor of "feminine" thought patterns.
On a side note, HRT (especially HRT containing only estrogen) has been statistically linked with an increase in breast cancer occurrence, so pumping your girlfriend full of soy/estrogen in an attempt to make her more feminine would not be beneficial to her in the long run.
On a side note, HRT (especially HRT containing only estrogen) has been statistically linked with an increase in breast cancer occurrence, so pumping your girlfriend full of soy/estrogen in an attempt to make her more feminine would not be beneficial to her in the long run.
| wowz wrote: |
| sweet, next hot girl i meet, i'm giving her soy EVERYTHING |
This has got to be one of biggest pieces of BS I have ever heard.
How the hell can a food or drink make you gay?
How the hell can a food or drink make you gay?
| bigdan wrote: |
| How the hell can a food or drink make you gay? |
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