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Jack_Hammer
Which country do you think has the best army and specialist force?
ncwdavid
Id say its USA.. they are the real one and only world superpower. They are too powerful.
Yantaal
i think china would beat america
ncwdavid
Yantaal wrote:
i think china would beat america


Im not American but I seriously thing america would kick any countries ass in a fight!
mgx_virtual
Russia definetly... If USA and RF went into a fight none of the other countries would be left, and these two would be crumbled but Russia would "win".
Petee
I think America has the best armed forces. With the Air Force and Navy cruise missiles, they can strike and destroy enemies without them ever seeing them face to face in battle. Then if necessary, they can send in their highly trained infantry and finish them off.
Ray Gravin
I think the measure of arms is an inaccurate determining of dominating power. I would say America and China would be neck and neck in either case. In regard to who has the most effective allies in a war time situation I would think America has it hands down. If they were to go at it without any outside help it would be a much closer call though. Im really not sure what Russia's standing is militarily. I thought they had a bit of hard ship financially?
cybernie
I'd say it America. The world has seen the might and prowess of the United State in handling adversaries especially in wars. The spirit on the Americans in fighting hard even to death was made visible since the time they were under the rule Great Britain. Americans were able to liberate themselves and build their country without the aid of a powerful nation to fight against the British.

During the World War 2, a very historic occurence in the face the Earth, the Americans has proven themselves to the whole world of what a promising powerful country they were. Though that time, the war involved many countries. They incident at Pearl Harbor and the bombing in Japan showed us how passionate and fierce the American Armies are. The war in Vietnam, one of the most controversial war entered into by America has proven the American courage. They have been both "heroes" and victims" in that war. The war waged by the Americans in the Middle East, in Afghanistan, in Iraq and in the operations they entered into in Somalia, East Timor, Lebanon were a success has been admired by many. But, some has negative impressions on them.

What makes the American Army the best army are not the hi-tech and advanced weapons, war machines but the strategies and the "leave no one behind" spirit.
HoboPelican
Not trying to knock the US Armed Forces, but are we forgetting Nam, Afganistan, and Iraq? Third rate (or lower) powers that we had real problems in fighting. I think our forces are top notch, but lets not start thinking we can kick anyones ass. War is not that simple.
Arseniy
USA has probably the best army in world. And neither of Nam, Afganistan etc. would not beat them in head-to-head fighting. Do you believe?
Russia has ugliest army present times. They're easy to defeat. So, go, yankees=) But it seems that Russia has some secreat weapons Wink ...
I don't know what will be if Europe Union will unite their armies... It will be oouch...
Dark_Tiger
It depends on what you want your army to do really.

While the US does have one of if not the the strongest military complex today, it is still geared to full scale open warfare. Their specialist forces, while indeed powerful, are adjunct to the main force. As a peacekeeping or occuping force, the US has never been too sucessful.
Hogwarts
The USA does not have the best army in the world, neither is it the biggest. In fact, the biggest army in the world is in fact China.

In my opinion, the best army is no army, and I don't just mean one country is completely defenseless; I mean that no country has an army at all, therefore there would (most likely) be no wars.
NuniPio
yea i would prob say USA too considering the amount of funding that goes into its army and not only the army itself but american allies too.
sibbahz
It always seems to be the US army who is the biggest but im sure theres bigger.
Might not be the strongest. A country with a mass of nukes could cause havoc even in the USA.
eday2010
For Specialist Forces, I have to say Canada's JTF2 (Joint Task Force 2). They always seem to get the job done.

I don't know who has the best army. Probably the U.S.. But I do know that while Canada's Armed Forces isn't at all big, the soldiers in it are some of the best in the world. Not THE best, but some of the best Smile
DynamicNames
I'm not really sure, but I think that Russia, China, and of course, the USA have the best soldiers in the armies. China, because they are a large country with many people - Russia too, of course. And, the USA because, it's really just my opinion since I live in the USA. But, if all 3 were to go into a fight, I believe that Russia would probably win.
orcaz
I tink USA is the best army, bcoz they haf one of the best military technology in the world. However, if we compare by size, China would prolly win...
coblah
actually, the australian and the british have the best special forces in the world, SAS
there better than SEAL too
but i believe if you mean strength by numbers USA would be the best, but quality wise there just a bunch of jar heads with guns
jharsika
The only reason the US would ever win is because they hold a lot of political sway, they could overwhelm a country with sheer numbers - their soldiers are nothing to them and are thrown away like garbage. Canada has a poor army with crappy equipment, BUT our peacekeepers are highly trained and experienced Smile We also have a v. nice somewhat secret special force. I think the states would win over anyone, unless other countries worked together against them.
DoctorBeaver
The SAS & SBS are the best special forces bar none. Even the US military accepts that, although they don't exactly shout about it.

As for the US army being the best trained, I'm not so sure of that either. They have technological superiority; but take that away and give them AK47s and I think you'd have a very ordinary army.
ocalhoun
HoboPelican wrote:
Not trying to knock the US Armed Forces, but are we forgetting Nam, Afganistan, and Iraq? Third rate (or lower) powers that we had real problems in fighting. I think our forces are top notch, but lets not start thinking we can kick anyones ass. War is not that simple.

True, the USA didn't do too well in those wars (although Afghanistan turned out reasonably well), but that wasn't because of an inferior military, it was because of inferior strategy.


Hogwarts wrote:

In my opinion, the best army is no army, and I don't just mean one country is completely defenseless; I mean that no country has an army at all, therefore there would (most likely) be no wars.


Oh, so the way for peace in Iraq would be to disband the newly founded Iraqi military? Ingenious... or perhaps not. There will always be groups of people out there who have reasons to fight, and they will probably be able to obtain weapons, even if they have to resort to using tools as weapons. For that reason, nations need to have a military, so that the nation can maintain order if the worst happens.


And, finally, yes, China does have a larger military, but that military is less technologically advanced. Personally I would not want to see which would overcome the other, technology or numbers, because both nations have lots of nukes left over from the cold war, and a war between the two would eventually escalate to the point where the loosing nation would be forced to use them.
HoboPelican
ocalhoun wrote:
HoboPelican wrote:
Not trying to knock the US Armed Forces, but are we forgetting Nam, Afganistan, and Iraq? Third rate (or lower) powers that we had real problems in fighting. I think our forces are top notch, but lets not start thinking we can kick anyones ass. War is not that simple.

True, the USA didn't do too well in those wars (although Afghanistan turned out reasonably well), but that wasn't because of an inferior military, it was because of inferior strategy.



Excellent point. I really was lumping strategy in with strength, training, etc. Of course, the politicians dictate the methods allowed, and that is going to hamper the military in accomplishing objectives. Without a doubt, if we wanted to wipe out a country we could do easily....without even sending a GI out of the country. Just turn a few keys and they are history.

I guess there are a lot of answers to this topic depending on how define "best". Ain't that always the case?
Wink
standready
I will keep this simple: "Let us hope, we NEVER need to truly find out.
Jack_Hammer
coblah wrote:
actually, the australian and the british have the best special forces in the world, SAS


SAS is great, much better than the American SEALS but don't you think SBS is the best?

DoctorBeaver wrote:
As for the US army being the best trained, I'm not so sure of that either. They have technological superiority; but take that away and give them AK47s and I think you'd have a very ordinary army.


We have a phrase for the american army, "All the gear and no idea".

I have heard so many stories of blue on blue action in Iraq where americans have been killing each other and blowing up their own tanks. A friend of mine (He is a LCpl now but at the time he was a private), there were eight american hummers under fire when a couple of landrovers pulled up behind them and started to fight back, when an american second lieutenant comes up to him and asks him what he should do!, So he told him it would be good to start firing back! (Yeah, the american army is the best... Laughing ).
Yantaal
i might be sounding a bit stupid here, i know the SAS but whats the SBS
Jack_Hammer
Yantaal wrote:
i might be sounding a bit stupid here, i know the SAS but whats the SBS


SAS - Special Air Service
SBS - Special Boat Service

(The SBS recruit from the SAS)
godam64
usa have a high tech weapon but the mental of human army is not good enough. they fight to get money or something like stupid pride by killing other people. the us army think they're the best and it's a mistake since technology cant help them 100% in combat. command & conquer generals pc games can explain why.

i like lebanese army that beat israel and us army. the real world terrorist should be beaten for peace. Very Happy
Duncan Idaho
The united states has the democrats; china has people, and russia has nukes. I think that says it all.
Duncan Idaho
godam64 wrote:
the mental of human army is not good enough.

Yeah I guess you would know right?
HoboPelican
Duncan Idaho wrote:
The united states has the democrats; china has people, and russia has nukes. I think that says it all.


If you think that says it all, I imagine a lot of people find you somewhat incomprehensible. All three of those countries have nukes, all have people and wtf do democrats have to do with it? If you have a point, maybe you could try to make it.
Helios
standready wrote:
I will keep this simple: "Let us hope, we NEVER need to truly find out.


Can't agree with you more, my friend.
Clone Rabbit
Yantaal wrote:
i think china would beat america

I agree. Did you know that the Chinese army is equal in number to the population of the US?
NuniPio
Clone Rabbit wrote:
Yantaal wrote:
i think china would beat america

I agree. Did you know that the Chinese army is equal in number to the population of the US?


whoa.. but is quantity better than quality??
Helios
"is quantity better than quality??"

Yes. Take WW-II as and example.
HoboPelican
Clone Rabbit wrote:
Yantaal wrote:
i think china would beat america

I agree. Did you know that the Chinese army is equal in number to the population of the US?


You sure about that?

From Google:
United States — Population: 298,444,215 (July 2006 est.)


Quick search for Chinese military gave this:
Quote:
total estimated personnel strength of the Chinese military is 2.5 million, of which 1.8 million are in service with the PLA

http://www.comw.org/cmp/fulltext/iddschina.html

Looks like the Chinese military is far less. If you have better data, feel free to show it.


Too make all those ground forces valuable, you have to get them to the battle, protect them from air strikes, nukes etc. There are a myriad of factors that go into what makes a good army for a given situation. If it was simply a matter of numbers, any battle would be a forgone conclusion.
jon9314
Hogwarts wrote:
The USA does not have the best army in the world, neither is it the biggest. In fact, the biggest army in the world is in fact China.

In my opinion, the best army is no army, and I don't just mean one country is completely defenseless; I mean that no country has an army at all, therefore there would (most likely) be no wars.

that is just stupid. without armed forces their would be chaos.(eventualy)
jon9314
DynamicNames wrote:
I'm not really sure, but I think that Russia, China, and of course, the USA have the best soldiers in the armies. China, because they are a large country with many people - Russia too, of course. And, the USA because, it's really just my opinion since I live in the USA. But, if all 3 were to go into a fight, I believe that Russia would probably win.

i didn't think russia's right hand knew what it's left hand was doing.?!
they would probably end up defeating themselves.
Madic
Helios wrote:
standready wrote:
I will keep this simple: "Let us hope, we NEVER need to truly find out.


Can't agree with you more, my friend.


also agreed, and QFT.
Jert14
USA
Billwaa
Have any of you guys have a chance to visit a Chinese Miltary Base in China? And view secret stuffs? I am not allow to talk much about it cause they are restricted, but really, don't under estimated a sleeping dragon. Because when it is awaken, you will learn your lesson. China is still a undeveloped country, I thinking it is waiting for its time. It is trying to build its base stronger before going any furthur. Stuffs made in China may seems cheap and crappy, but that is only because they don't feel like making them the best the can.

China still have a long way to go before finish developing. As far as I can see, US has basically done. Same with most other powerful country in the world. You never know what China going have tomorrow, remember, Chinese are smart people, invent gun powder, compass, paper and all kind of important stuffs. You don't hear about information about China before China don't want to be in a military contest with anyone to see who have to most powerful army. I don't think China even really care. If you look back at history, China is very powerful/

War is not all about weapon, also about stratgey, if anymore want to beat China, they better learn all the military stratgey that China have since ancient time. I study some of them, and I think they rule. In both war and busneiss. You just need to know when to use which one.

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About someone's concern about no army is better then to have an army, that's one of the Chinese stratgey. Another one is to win a war by not fighting in a war. If you think about it, if you can win without fighting, less people die, and you don't lose as much money in weapons and stuffs.
Fake
cybernie wrote:
I'd say it America. The world has seen the might and prowess of the United State in handling adversaries especially in wars. The spirit on the Americans in fighting hard even to death was made visible since the time they were under the rule Great Britain. Americans were able to liberate themselves and build their country without the aid of a powerful nation to fight against the British.

During the World War 2, a very historic occurence in the face the Earth, the Americans has proven themselves to the whole world of what a promising powerful country they were. Though that time, the war involved many countries. They incident at Pearl Harbor and the bombing in Japan showed us how passionate and fierce the American Armies are. The war in Vietnam, one of the most controversial war entered into by America has proven the American courage. They have been both "heroes" and victims" in that war. The war waged by the Americans in the Middle East, in Afghanistan, in Iraq and in the operations they entered into in Somalia, East Timor, Lebanon were a success has been admired by many. But, some has negative impressions on them.

What makes the American Army the best army are not the hi-tech and advanced weapons, war machines but the strategies and the "leave no one behind" spirit.


What are you talkin about ? You are forgetting history mate. Flip over to see the other side of the picture.
ChipMo
godam64 wrote:
usa have a high tech weapon but the mental of human army is not good enough. they fight to get money or something like stupid pride by killing other people. the us army think they're the best and it's a mistake since technology cant help them 100% in combat. command & conquer generals pc games can explain why.

i like lebanese army that beat israel and us army. the real world terrorist should be beaten for peace. Very Happy


Indeed, and Hezbollah kicked ass <3

It does raise the question though of what you want from your army, for example if I wanted to end the world I would use the american army & blast of thier nukes, that unfortunatly isn't terribly usefull as I'd probably take myself out in the process.

Then you have the resistance or freedom fighters, such as the IRA, Hezbollah and the likes, they all seem eaqually adaquite for the job, however I can't think of one which particuallarly stands out as the best. You got things like spec ops... commando's vs sas vs seals or whatever they're caled noweverdays. for that I'd probly go with the phillipeano police force... those guys are sick in the head lol, use knives like i've never seen.

finnally I guess you have the traditional ground army, for local defence land / air / sea, for that my money's on North Korea. All the jokes & propaganda aside, they have a focused, dedicated & ruthless army who know thier unique terrain well. I for one would not like to be a part of the force to go in if / when bush gets sick of them.
TripleSicx707
Jack_Hammer wrote:
coblah wrote:
actually, the australian and the british have the best special forces in the world, SAS


SAS is great, much better than the American SEALS but don't you think SBS is the best?

DoctorBeaver wrote:
As for the US army being the best trained, I'm not so sure of that either. They have technological superiority; but take that away and give them AK47s and I think you'd have a very ordinary army.


Youd Be Surprised What A Well Trained Infantry Man Can Do With Just A Basic AK-47


We have a phrase for the american army, "All the gear and no idea".

I have heard so many stories of blue on blue action in Iraq where americans have been killing each other and blowing up their own tanks. A friend of mine (He is a LCpl now but at the time he was a private), there were eight american hummers under fire when a couple of landrovers pulled up behind them and started to fight back, when an american second lieutenant comes up to him and asks him what he should do!, So he told him it would be good to start firing back! (Yeah, the american army is the best... Laughing ).



2nd Lieutenants Or "Butter Bars" As We Call Them Are Commissoned As Officers Because Of A 4 Year College Degree That They Hold, You Can Take A Brand New Private And A 2nd LT. And They Are Almost Equally Trained In Thier Tasks, Despite Some MOS's Strive For All 2nd LTs To Be Ranger Qualified.
calicamper
Oh, wow, where to start? Hmm, how about here:

1. First of all, let's hope that we never have to find out who would really win, because who really wins something like this?

2. Small groups like Hezbollah and the IRA, while effective in killing many civilians and angering the populace of the country it attacked, are ill-equipped to overthrow a government.

3. The SAS, Navy Seals, and other special forces, while highly effective in small engagements and strategic strikes, cannot fight a war without the aid of a traditional ground army; there simply aren't enough of them in any sinlge group to occupy a country and repel insurgents. This is of course ignoring institutions such as the CIA that support rebel armies with money and weapons...

4. China has the largest population and therefore the largest pool to draw soldiers from. This does not mean that they would win, but it gives them a definit advantage. The example of WWII with Russia versus Germany has been used; but you must also consider this most obvious of truths: never invade Russia in the winter! Mother nature is much stronger than any of us, and she will exist long after we have gone the way of the dinosaur.

5. I, sadly, know very little of the state of Russia's military, but I imagine that since the collapse of the Soviet block it hasn't quite reached it's pinnacle of the cold war days. But I admit I lack knowledge of their situation and welcome any facts you can mprovide; please don't flame me about how strong they are, give verifiable information.

6. The USA is a sleeping giant. I know it doesn't seem like it, but at the moment The US military is no where near the point it could reach if needed. Iraq is an international fiasco, with the US drawing fire from many of its own allies, as well as some of its most prominent politicians. I think it is sad that the US has fallen from its former prestige (and I say prestige because none of you out there can honestly look at the facts and deny that the US, by entering WWII, stopped the Nazi advance. I know that many other countries fought valiantly in the war, but were fighting a losing battle until the US entered. Actually, the US didn't do all that well when they entered). Anyways, wars like Vietnam and Iraq were, and are, unpopular. My point is that I pity the country that solidifies the USA against them, no matter how many soldiers they have, it will be ugly.

Lastly, this situation is very unlikely to happen as the worlds economy becomes more and more intertwined the large countries, China, Russia, USA, England, (possibly the EU if they ever truely solidify), will be very reluctant to engage in large scale warfare as it will endanger their financial stability. (At least I certainly hope this is the case...) This is partly what the USA is hoping will happen to China soon, with all of the American money flooding across the border.


Oh, and as an afterthought, people who say:
Quote:
We have a phrase for the american army, "All the gear and no idea".

I have heard so many stories of blue on blue action in Iraq where americans have been killing each other and blowing up their own tanks. A friend of mine (He is a LCpl now but at the time he was a private), there were eight american hummers under fire when a couple of landrovers pulled up behind them and started to fight back, when an american second lieutenant comes up to him and asks him what he should do!, So he told him it would be good to start firing back! (Yeah, the american army is the best... ).


are generalizing way too much. Every Army in the world has officers that start out inexperienced, including the Brittish army. That's one of the reasons armies are assembled the way they are with the most experienced people in the lead and the newest people on the lines, learning what they need to. Also, officers go through very different training from enlisted men. In fact I believe it's called, for the Army, Officer Candidate School. http://www.goarmy.com/about/officer.jsp
The only way to go straight from a civilian University to being an officer is to go into the professional branches:

Quote:

Each professional branch of the Army—Judge Advocate General (JAG) Corps, the Army Chaplain Corps, and the Army Medical Corps—has its own officer training program that allows civilian degreed professionals to apply to receive a direct commission in their career field. Training time for direct commission officers varies depending on the career field and generally includes courses in military history, Army leadership, and career-specific courses designed to adapt civilian skills to Army practices.
Rako
In terms of highly trained people australia is meant to be one of the best. but i think the us has the numbers to beat any 1 countries if a couple of countries teemed up usa would lose.
zagu
My college professor used to say that the difference between a dialect and a language was an army.
pashmina
Jack_Hammer wrote:
Which country do you think has the best army and specialist force?

I thinks Uk armies are the best.
then i feel US armies
then china's
then india's
then north korea's
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