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The W3C Standard





Straevaras
I'm just wondering, who here follows the W3C standard when making a website? If you follow it, which standard do you follow? HTML 4.01 Transitional? Strict? XHTML 1.0 Transitional? Strict? Nothing at all?

I personally think following a standard helps you a lot when constructing a website. And it you can manage to bring your website up to the Strict standard, then you've made a very powerful achievement. The Strict standard will essentially completely separate all structure from style in your webpage, which I personally think is an important thing to do. A good blend of HTML and CSS or XHTML and XSL is important.

To validate my pages, I'll use the engines that W3C offers, and also the Total Validator extension in Mozilla Firefox.

If you're unfamiliar with the W3C Recommendation, go to http://www.w3.org/Consortium/.
Donutey
I use XHTML 1.1 Strict, although 4.01 strict would have worked equally well for me.
Arseniy
I'm using validate CSS and validate HTML on my sites just because my HTML editor (Araneae 5) submit it automaticcaly Smile
I don't even know what it is and why do you need it reght now Very Happy
Straevaras
Donutey wrote:
I use XHTML 1.1 Strict, although 4.01 strict would have worked equally well for me.

I haven't had much experience with XHTML, but I've heard it's really hard to support on multiple browsers because it's not supported equally. What's your experience?

And as for following strict standards, I've tried it before, and it's a pain. But I was trying to see if I could get an already existing page to go into strict, so that was harder than just trying from scratch.
manumiglani
I follow HTML 4.01 Transitional. Use Dreamweaver.
{name here}
I follow web standards. I'd rather not have my page misrender on any browser except for a text browser since I can almost guaruntee it won't with my tableless designs.
Ranfaroth
I use XHTML 1.1 for personal sites (IE6/7 can't understand it), and XHTML 1.0 strict for professional ones.
cavey
I use XHTML 1.0 Strict for my websites.

Why strict? The strict coding has really cleaned up the code, making it easier to spot errors, easier to update, easier to change the design since all the layout is in one css-file. Easier to make the webpage suitable for printing with a separate style sheet. Following standards also helps keeping the browser/coding bugs to a minimum! Making the webpage look good/readable in most browsers/platforms. Also I like clean and tidy codes :)
a_dubDesign
I tend to do xhtml transitional, although I've been thinking about jumping up to strict. Although I do enjoy Flash quite a bit, and throw it in there for a little pizaz, which kills the standard. Although its getting to the point, actually probably already there, where I could do pretty much everything I would want to do in Flash but do it with JS and still have everything validate as xhtml transitional.
ninjakannon
I don't use any of the W3C standards because I either use Microsoft FrontPage (a truly terrible program) or Microsoft Notepad to create web pages and FrontPage doesn't follow any of the standards and obviously neither does Notepad.

What's the advantage of using the W3C standards?
manumiglani
ninjakannon wrote:
What's the advantage of using the W3C standards?


http://www.webstandards.org/learn/faq/#p3
ninjakannon
manumiglani wrote:
ninjakannon wrote:
What's the advantage of using the W3C standards?


http://www.webstandards.org/learn/faq/#p3

Oh right, thanks!

My website displays perfectly on every computer I've (or others who know me) visited it on except one - and that was because my Google AdSense just didn't appear (nor the section of table they were inside). So I'm not going to hurry to change all my pages, but I might just make sure they all follow the standards in the future sometime.
a_dubDesign
ninjakannon wrote:
I don't use any of the W3C standards because I either use Microsoft FrontPage (a truly terrible program) or Microsoft Notepad to create web pages and FrontPage doesn't follow any of the standards and obviously neither does Notepad.

FrontPage I'm not suprised, I'm fairly sure Microsoft will never be interested in any standards, but Notepad only does what you tell it, so it can definetly do compliant pages.
dayveday
Ranfaroth wrote:
I use XHTML 1.1 for personal sites (IE6/7 can't understand it), and XHTML 1.0 strict for professional ones.


What is the main difference between 1.1 and 1.0? I thought it was only a little bit of tidying up (like changing "lang" attributes to "xml:lang"). What is it that makes IE6/7 break on 1.1?

My pages are currently XHTML 1.0 strict compliant, and was considering changing them to 1.1 (they are also reported as valid according to the W3C validator). Would just changing the <!doctype> break the IEs?
{name here}
dayveday wrote:
Ranfaroth wrote:
I use XHTML 1.1 for personal sites (IE6/7 can't understand it), and XHTML 1.0 strict for professional ones.


What is the main difference between 1.1 and 1.0? I thought it was only a little bit of tidying up (like changing "lang" attributes to "xml:lang"). What is it that makes IE6/7 break on 1.1?

My pages are currently XHTML 1.0 strict compliant, and was considering changing them to 1.1 (they are also reported as valid according to the W3C validator). Would just changing the <!doctype> break the IEs?

True XHTML 1.1 is delivered with the MIME type application/xml+xhtml, which IE refuse to render because it's not delivered as HTML IIRC.
See http://www.webdevout.net/ for more info.
dayveday
a_dubDesign wrote:
Although I do enjoy Flash quite a bit, and throw it in there for a little pizaz, which kills the standard.


Have you heard of the Flash Satay method? This is a reworking of the HTML code so that it does become standards compliant. It basically removes the <embed> tag which is not supported, while still letting the plugin work on all browsers. You should check it out. http://alistapart.com/articles/flashsatay
riv_
I use XHTML 1.0 strict on most pages. But I use transitional if I have to use forms or tables (because I have to include the name attribute as well as id to make my handlers work).
I've only been beginning to dabble in some applications that used XML - the move would be a lot more difficult if I hadn't already been using the standards!
Good habits are hard to break, too!
I'd like to learn more about 1.1! It's always hard to know when in the cycle to adopt the new technology. Of course, support won't be fully mplemented until developers start using it. But we can't start using it until a certain level of support is achieved... when do I jump on the wagon???
littlegiant
Standards schmandards.

Let's see how some of the W3C members measure up to their own online validator:

Adobe
http://www.adobe.com/
Failed validation, 19 errors

Creative Commons
http://creativecommons.org/
Failed validation, 34 errors

Google, Inc.
http://www.google.com/
Failed validation, 67 errors - No DOCTYPE found! (ouch...)

Microsoft
http://www.microsoft.com/en/us/default.aspx
Failed validation, 24 errors

Sun Microsystems
http://www.sun.com/
Failed validation, 28 errors

Verisign, Inc
http://www.verisign.com/
Failed validation, No Character Encoding Found! Falling back to UTF-8.
Sorry! This document can not be checked.


Yahoo, Inc
http://www.yahoo.com/
Failed validation, 37 errors


And seriously, all of these guys should know better! But anywho, whaddaya gonna do? I guess it's okay for some to be part of a consortium that writes up the rules but when it comes to following them, it's another story.

Very Happy
MrBlueSky
littlegiant wrote:

Microsoft
http://www.microsoft.com/en/us/default.aspx
Failed validation, 24 errors

Very Happy


Microsoft, which also is a member of the team that defines the JavaScript standard, doesn't even implement the very standard it helps to define in its own browser Rolling Eyes
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