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Are you a Plato or a Poe?
To start off I'd like two quotes:
Are you like Plato, and believe that all poets are liars; the enemies of logic and reason, and therefore should be thrown out of civilized society? Or are you like Poe and think that those mathematicians are a little uptight in their rules and axioms and are blind to greater things?
Personally I'm both. Even though I appreciate art and poetry, I say throw the poets out since it'll give them more to write about, and prove those mathematicians wrong because there is no better motivator to try to prove something than being proven wrong. I love literature and poetry, and yet also enjoy the sciences and math in particular. Perhaps it's better that we can be rational in our irrationality and irrational in our rationality (a mathematical poet or a poetical mathematician perhaps). You can even say that it's possible to find poetry in mathematical proofs, and a mathematical basis in poetry.
Your thoughts?
| Plato's Republic wrote: |
| but we must remain firm in our conviction that hymns to the gods and praises of famous men are the only poetry which ought to be admitted into our State. For if you go beyond this and allow the honeyed muse to enter, either in epic or lyric verse, not law and the reason of mankind, which by common consent have ever been deemed best, but pleasure and pain will be the rulers in our State |
| Poe's The Purloined Letter wrote: |
| The mathematics are the science of form and quantity; mathematical reasoning is merely logic applied to observation upon form and quantity. The great error lies in supposing that even the truths of what is called pure algebra are abstract or general truths... or one [a mathematician] who did not clandestinely hold it as a point of faith that x^2 + px was absolutely and unconditionally equal to q. Say to one of these gentlemen, by way of experiment, if you please, that you believe occasions may occur where x^2 + px in not altogether equal to q, and, having made him understand what you mean, get out of his reach as speedily as convenient, for, beyond doubt, he will endeavor to knock you down. |
Are you like Plato, and believe that all poets are liars; the enemies of logic and reason, and therefore should be thrown out of civilized society? Or are you like Poe and think that those mathematicians are a little uptight in their rules and axioms and are blind to greater things?
Personally I'm both. Even though I appreciate art and poetry, I say throw the poets out since it'll give them more to write about, and prove those mathematicians wrong because there is no better motivator to try to prove something than being proven wrong. I love literature and poetry, and yet also enjoy the sciences and math in particular. Perhaps it's better that we can be rational in our irrationality and irrational in our rationality (a mathematical poet or a poetical mathematician perhaps). You can even say that it's possible to find poetry in mathematical proofs, and a mathematical basis in poetry.
Your thoughts?
You know we can't see things as either one or the other, personally I think that poets should not always be listened too, but then again neither should philosophers.
They both do the same thing, philosophers and poets, both ask the same questions, often get the same answers, without poets the world would be quite a lot colder.
Then you have academia, scientists, mathematicians.
They believe that you are right or your wrong, I tend to lean on their side, but aren't scientists dreamers in their own right, I scientist with no imagination can't think of what to do when everything else fails or of ways that they can use their breakthroughs.
Then you have the mathematicians, they too need to find new, logical ways of solving deviant problems, once again they use imagination, however they use logical imagination, perhaps the only one of the mentioned jobs that do.
Even still for my own opinion I would have to pick the scientists or the philosophers. Both wonder about...well everything, "why?" just that question "why?" what can I do.
~Reddish Blue
They both do the same thing, philosophers and poets, both ask the same questions, often get the same answers, without poets the world would be quite a lot colder.
Then you have academia, scientists, mathematicians.
They believe that you are right or your wrong, I tend to lean on their side, but aren't scientists dreamers in their own right, I scientist with no imagination can't think of what to do when everything else fails or of ways that they can use their breakthroughs.
Then you have the mathematicians, they too need to find new, logical ways of solving deviant problems, once again they use imagination, however they use logical imagination, perhaps the only one of the mentioned jobs that do.
Even still for my own opinion I would have to pick the scientists or the philosophers. Both wonder about...well everything, "why?" just that question "why?" what can I do.
~Reddish Blue
I heard this once:
I think this was said by Einstein, but not sure. But it's SO true!
| Quote: |
| Scientists can tell things that no one has known before in a way that everyone will understand them. Poets do the exact opposite. |
I have chosen I like both equally that means I dont enjoy either a great deal.
I feel both are equally important, for very different reasons of course but they can both give me a serious stress headache if they are too complex.
I feel both are equally important, for very different reasons of course but they can both give me a serious stress headache if they are too complex.
I voted that I like both, however I feel that I do not with with Plato or Poe. Both poetry/prose/verse and science have their spot in society, filling in what the other lacks or leaves open. Without one, we would not be as complete (which in itself is rather openended) as we could be today.
Moved to philosophy and religion.
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