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sodredge
I see Creationists and Evolutionists fighting out all over the web about
who is right and what facts they have. Christian using the bible as the
ordained word of their God and Evolutionists using science in the same
manner to disprove of a God.

I was wondering what if any Islam says about evolution on a general
scale ? I have a limited knowledge of the Koran and was wondering if
there was anyone out here that could shed some light on how the
Koran teaches "the begining" ?

Any help would be appreciated.
Bondings
sodredge wrote:
Christian using the bible as the ordained word of their God

Some christians indeed believe that the bible is the 'real' reality, the bible is a history book and each sentence/word/interpretation happened is true. The rest of the world is created by the devil to confuse us.

Other christians believe that their god is much more than just a good engineer who was able to create the world in 7 days and write a history book about it - which rather looks like a few stories instead of a history book. This vision includes the pope, which means it is the official belief of a very big part of the christians.
sodredge wrote:
and Evolutionists using science in the same manner to disprove of a God.

First of all, it's scientists, there is not really such a thing as an 'Evolutionist'. It's not a belief, but a scientific theory like the theory of gravity or the theory of thermodynamics. And I never heard about a Graviotationist or Thermodynamionist before.

No real scientist will claim that any of these theories are the absolute truth, only that they are extremely plausible and backed by tons of hard evidence. But new evidence could always proof the theories wrong or at least let them be heavily adjusted.

And no, scientists do not disprove of any god. If a god has no detectable/observable influence on the universe, than science will never be able to even form the slightest assumption about it.

Quote:
I was wondering what if any Islam says about evolution on a general scale ?

It's a comparable issue. Some people assume things literally and some other don't. It's the same for most religions.
the_mariska
Bondings wrote:

Other christians believe that their god is much more than just a good engineer who was able to create the world in 7 days and write a history book about it - which rather looks like a few stories instead of a history book. This vision includes the pope, which means it is the official belief of a very big part of the christians.

I'm studying IT, and once we had a lecture about evolution algorithms. Our profesor also tried to explain whydoes he think evolution isn't against creation. Then he said a sentence that I really enjoyed:

"If you heard about two engineers, one that created every his piece of work personally with his own hands, the other one constructed a huge machine and programmed it the way it would create everything he wants. Which engineer would you respect more? This is how I imagine this, God invented all the laws of physics, evolution and Big Bang, then said Enter... or Amen. And that's how it started."


It was half a joke, but there must be some truth inside Wink
palavra
sodredge wrote:
I was wondering what if any Islam says about evolution on a general
scale ? I have a limited knowledge of the Koran and was wondering if
there was anyone out here that could shed some light on how the
Koran teaches "the begining" ?

Any help would be appreciated.


we also believe God created adam and eve firstly.

we are all offspring of this couple.

http://en.fgulen.com/content/view/2129/6/
loyal
Quote:

I was wondering what if any Islam says about evolution on a general
scale ? I have a limited knowledge of the Koran and was wondering if
there was anyone out here that could shed some light on how the
Koran teaches "the begining" ?


Ah the "beginning".

Allah made creation in some way. Then He made Adam from clay and water. Allah then told the rest of creation to bow to Adam in respect. All of them except one refused. All the angels bowed, but Iblis didn't. Allah told Iblis to tell why. Iblis said something like: "i am better than Adam, because i was created from fire, but he is created from mere mud!" he was arrogant and thus became satan. So Allah was displeased. Satan knew he was going to be destroyed, for his arrogance could not be allowed in Heaven, so satan asked Allah if He would delay his fate and allow him to show Him how weak mankind really is. Satan promised to lead all the humans away from God to prove how weak they are. Allah told him he could never do this to those who truly loved Him.

And so the Test began. Adam and satan were put on earth. This is why we are on earth, this is the meaning of life, to be tested to see whether we truly love God. Will we fail to love and worship God or will we beat satan and love and worship God continually?

HOW Allah made Adam is unknown. We know the ingredients consisted of water and clay. Some believe evolution is true, and point to certain verses. Others believe creationism is true and point to other verses. However the Quran never accepts nor denys creationism and evolution.

Since Islam is orthopraxy, meaning it's mainly what you do and practice, not what you believe, then a Muslim can either believe in evolution or accept it.

If evolution is fully proven, then Islam will have no trouble with it. For when the Muslims had a powerful empire, they were very scientific. Science is not an enemy to Islam. 17:36 of the Quran tells us to prove our knowledge.

may God bless you.
sky217
Bondings wrote:

sodredge wrote:
and Evolutionists using science in the same manner to disprove of a God.

First of all, it's scientists, there is not really such a thing as an 'Evolutionist'. It's not a belief, but a scientific theory like the theory of gravity or the theory of thermodynamics. And I never heard about a Graviotationist or Thermodynamionist before.



The dictionary says "Evolutionist" is a word.
http://www.answers.com/evolutionist&r=67

Describing someone as a scientist because they believe in Evolution is less correct in my opinion. Not all evolutionists are scientists and not all scientists are evolutionists (ok maybe almost all). Not all people (scientists or otherwise) believe evolution and creation are mutually exclusive either. I think sodredge used the right word.
sergio_ykz
I believe that the science is the Version 2.0 of Religion.

For me, the religion is only a government form. It has created to make control to a people. And its have sucessifully adquired much more than control on peoples.
livilou
From what I've gathered talking to others, Islams and Christians believe close to the same thing on the creation of the world. There are some differences on the fine points though.

As far as creation vs evolution? I'm not a believer that man evolved from apes. But some of the others stuff might be true. When most Christians look at the bible, they see only 7 days, but I've learned that it might not be that short amount of time, at least not as we know it.

2Pe 3:8
¶ But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

According to this verse, God does not measure time as we do. But this in my opinion only.
mawia
Yes it seems Christianity and Islam both believe in the old testament which is the main source for the creationists.

I believe in evolution and I dont think it contradict with the existence of God. God might have created the universe and everything to evolve.

It is a misconception to regard human beings evolving from apes. What evolution says is that we evolve from Homo Sapiens which is much different from apes.
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