I used to believe in afterlife and that we will be reborn after we die. But over past few years, I am not believing in it anymore. I only believe that if we die, that's it. No more afterlife.
What is your view?
What is your view?
What will happen after we die? Afterlife?
| ryukenden wrote: |
| I used to believe in afterlife and that we will be reborn after we die. But over past few years, I am not believing in it anymore. I only believe that if we die, that's it. No more afterlife.
What is your view? |
I'll let you know if I come back.
I'll believe the one guy who did come back.
Why live if there is no life after? I don't think it is possible that we would be able to reason and recollect things in the now if there was no afterlife. How can one suddenly cease to exist and disappear to nothing?
I think looking around at simple things in life you will see that it all denotes there is an afterlife and resurrection... an infinite universe without end, undestroyable matter, the precipitation process, the seasons, breaking bones and healing, etc.
I took to an afterlife and resurrection with hope, because if not, what are we living for?
I think looking around at simple things in life you will see that it all denotes there is an afterlife and resurrection... an infinite universe without end, undestroyable matter, the precipitation process, the seasons, breaking bones and healing, etc.
I took to an afterlife and resurrection with hope, because if not, what are we living for?
While I'm not sure what the afterlife is, I can tell you the bible mentions it.
I didn't used to think there were ghosts. After he was resurrected, Jesus told his disciples he was not a ghost. If ghosts do not exist, why would he have to tell them that?
I didn't used to think there were ghosts. After he was resurrected, Jesus told his disciples he was not a ghost. If ghosts do not exist, why would he have to tell them that?
My personal belief: heaven or hell
I guess we'll all find out eventually, eh?
I guess we'll all find out eventually, eh?
No, when we die, we die.
Heaven and a really cool world for the people who want to be with God.
Something without love, every man for himself, no God, hell, for the people who don't want to be with God.
JohanFH
Something without love, every man for himself, no God, hell, for the people who don't want to be with God.
JohanFH
| The Conspirator wrote: |
| No, when we die, we die. |
Proof? Evidence?
| ocalhoun wrote: | ||
Proof? Evidence? |
With a topic like this, I think it's a given that anything stated is simply a belief. There is no way to know what happens, so anything said is just conjecture.
In the Christian Bible, it sounds like the dead stay dead until the rapture.
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| "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." (1 Corinthians 15:52) |
Is that the general belief of christians? That no one will be raised to Heaven until the Rapture?
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Proof? Evidence? |
There is no proof ether way, your guess is as good as mine. There is no real evidence for an afterlife, theres no evidence for the existence of ghosts and near death experiences could easily be produced by our brain, they could also be real (after all its strange how a brain being deprived of oxygen could produce and remember those experiences but the brain can do allot do allot of things and we don't entirely understand it yet but even if there produced (which is more plausible) by the brain that doesn't mean that there is no after life) but its unlikely. So with an absence of evidence for an afterlife I come to the conclusion that there isn't one.
there is an afterlife. after u die, your spirit is taken up by the angel of death. then you are taken to your grave, and u r asked three questions:
-What is your deen (religion)?
-Who is your Prophet?
-Who is you God?
ANSWERS:
-Islam
-Muhammed (Sal Allahu Alaihi Wa Sallam)
-Allah (Subhanahu Wa Taala)
then whether u were sincere and good in life (at time of being Muslim) you will either be punished with severe pain, or be granted with rewards.
For the dead it will seem as long one night, when the Day of Judgement has occured, you wil be broughten up, and the Earth will be crumbling. The highest mountains will be shattered to dust! Therell be nothing to hide behind! You will then recieve a book of your Earth destiny (what u did/was done to u,etc). if urecieve it in your left hand, u r bound to hell until the punishing time is over. if u recieve it in ur right hand, u r granted heaven.
tho some people will stay in hell for etnernity, it will NEVER EVER EVER X INFINITE END!
thats what happens after u die
-What is your deen (religion)?
-Who is your Prophet?
-Who is you God?
ANSWERS:
-Islam
-Muhammed (Sal Allahu Alaihi Wa Sallam)
-Allah (Subhanahu Wa Taala)
then whether u were sincere and good in life (at time of being Muslim) you will either be punished with severe pain, or be granted with rewards.
For the dead it will seem as long one night, when the Day of Judgement has occured, you wil be broughten up, and the Earth will be crumbling. The highest mountains will be shattered to dust! Therell be nothing to hide behind! You will then recieve a book of your Earth destiny (what u did/was done to u,etc). if urecieve it in your left hand, u r bound to hell until the punishing time is over. if u recieve it in ur right hand, u r granted heaven.
tho some people will stay in hell for etnernity, it will NEVER EVER EVER X INFINITE END!
thats what happens after u die
| The Conspirator wrote: |
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There is no proof ether way, your guess is as good as mine. |
False. I have evidence in the fact that Christ rose from the dead and told us some things about what happens when you die.
To prevent future long drawn-out, off-topic arguing, I'll concede that you would dispute that He came back to life, and while you might have a valid point, you can't prove He didn't, nor can you offer any evidence to contradict what He tells us about the afterlife.
If there is an afterlife you can be sure that is unlike anything we could comprehend as mere mortals.
There are so many ideas of what would be your heaven or hell that it obviously has to be specific to you – a whole group of alternate universes running side-by-side.
Also, if you are in heaven (or back on the perfect earth after judgement day – depending on your own feelings on this matter) for eternity it had better be good otherwise you wouldn’t want to stay there for eternity and it would soon turn into hell.
In fact, now I’ve come to think of it, living for eternity could be some people’s idea of hell.
Oh my, I’ve never had this kind of discussion for a long time and rarely without a drink in my hand and a circle of friends passing the dooby!!!!
Regards
The Captain
There are so many ideas of what would be your heaven or hell that it obviously has to be specific to you – a whole group of alternate universes running side-by-side.
Also, if you are in heaven (or back on the perfect earth after judgement day – depending on your own feelings on this matter) for eternity it had better be good otherwise you wouldn’t want to stay there for eternity and it would soon turn into hell.
In fact, now I’ve come to think of it, living for eternity could be some people’s idea of hell.
Oh my, I’ve never had this kind of discussion for a long time and rarely without a drink in my hand and a circle of friends passing the dooby!!!!
Regards
The Captain
This thread seems as it will get interesting, just overall likes this whole site is. The whole mess of you Christian vs Islam. I see this all throughout this site. Both have chosen a path and both are sticking to it, that is admirable.
In the end whatever happens will be decided in the faith of those who it is happening to, so we will not know for certain till we find out. Each path trying to shove it down the throat of the other path.
In the end if you read your books you would see that faith does not come through blind hate but blind love and a belief in something that can not be proven.
(rant ends monster bows)
In the end whatever happens will be decided in the faith of those who it is happening to, so we will not know for certain till we find out. Each path trying to shove it down the throat of the other path.
In the end if you read your books you would see that faith does not come through blind hate but blind love and a belief in something that can not be proven.
(rant ends monster bows)
we are in a dream
whan we die , we will wake up.
whan we die , we will wake up.
I wrote this here before, but I'll repeat.
My pressure dropped to zero during an operation because I've lost too much blood. I felt my soul out of my body and watched the doctors trying to save me. Of course, they did it ... I am not a ghost [
].
But I can tell you something: I do believe in afterlife cause I've experienced this. And It was not bad at all. I felt a deep and incredible peace during that moments. I didn't want to come back. But I remembered my sons being alone and this turned me to life again.
Life is a precious gift.
There are many reasons for living... What are yours?
P.S.: I'm Christian, but my religious group doesn't believe in this kind of experience.
My pressure dropped to zero during an operation because I've lost too much blood. I felt my soul out of my body and watched the doctors trying to save me. Of course, they did it ... I am not a ghost [
].
But I can tell you something: I do believe in afterlife cause I've experienced this. And It was not bad at all. I felt a deep and incredible peace during that moments. I didn't want to come back. But I remembered my sons being alone and this turned me to life again.
Life is a precious gift.
There are many reasons for living... What are yours?
P.S.: I'm Christian, but my religious group doesn't believe in this kind of experience.
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P.S.: I'm Christian, but my religious group doesn't believe in this kind of experience. |
That depends on what group of Christians you ask; my uncle has a similar story, and his church accepts it.
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| In the Christian Bible, it sounds like the dead stay dead until the rapture.
Quote: "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." (1 Corinthians 15:52) Is that the general belief of christians? That no one will be raised to Heaven until the Rapture? |
No. In fact, most mainstream Christians do not believe in the "rapture." I know various Protestant denominations that believe this will take place, but in my faith (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints) we do not believe in it. We believe that after the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, all that have died will be resurrected and brought before the Lord for judgement. After we have been judged, we will receive according to our desires and deeds. We will then live in eternal happiness with the Lord, or eternal saddness and remorse knowing we could have done better. However, all will go to a place much better than the current conditions in which we live today, even the unrighteous. The Lord states in the Bible that His Father has prepared many mansions that await us and the happiness we can obtain there is indescribable and impossible to comprehend (similar to how your brain hurts if you try to think about a universe that doesn't end...I HATE that!).
Obviously, this is personal opinion and varies from Christian to Christian, but most Christians believe some version of this. Regardless, one has a lot to look forward to in this life AND the life to come.
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No. In fact, most mainstream Christians do not believe in the "rapture." I know various Protestant denominations that believe this will take place, but in my faith (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints) we do not believe in it. We believe that after the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, all that have died will be resurrected and brought before the Lord for judgement. After we have been judged, we will receive according to our desires and deeds. We will then live in eternal happiness with the Lord, or eternal saddness and remorse knowing we could have done better. However, all will go to a place much better than the current conditions in which we live today, even the unrighteous. The Lord states in the Bible that His Father has prepared many mansions that await us and the happiness we can obtain there is indescribable and impossible to comprehend (similar to how your brain hurts if you try to think about a universe that doesn't end...I HATE that!). Obviously, this is personal opinion and varies from Christian to Christian, but most Christians believe some version of this. Regardless, one has a lot to look forward to in this life AND the life to come. |
resurrection day will be very interesting because
all of us ;jews ,christians and muslims are expecting to go to heaven.
at least we have some expectation and believe to this day.
the others will get the big surprise.
| ocalhoun wrote: | ||
That depends on what group of Christians you ask; my uncle has a similar story, and his church accepts it. |
Of course...
But the truth is: Christians have differents visions of what happens when you die, even believing in afterlife. There are different interpretations of the Bible in this matter. Prothestants, in general, think we will sleep and wake up only on Judgement Day.
Is there any scientific proof about afterlife if you believe in it? I could not find any.
^Nor will you, because scientists cease to publish their theorems after they die. (lazy of them, right?)
Personally I believe in the otherworld. THe world of the dead is much like this one where life continues for each person.
That is all, nothing fancy. IF you want to learn more look it up, and enjoy the experience.
BTW, did you know that Halloween is the ancienct Celtic Religious Holiday Samhain (pronounced sow-een)? Which among otherthings is a fire festival, New Years Eve, Beginning of Winter, and the Day when the Otherworld is most closely aligned with this world and the inhabitants of the otherworld can cross over (or you cross over to that world). This is why in modern Halloween celebrations we dress up like gouls and ghosts, etc.
That is all, nothing fancy. IF you want to learn more look it up,
and enjoy the experience.
BTW, did you know that Halloween is the ancienct Celtic Religious Holiday Samhain (pronounced sow-een)? Which among otherthings is a fire festival, New Years Eve, Beginning of Winter, and the Day when the Otherworld is most closely aligned with this world and the inhabitants of the otherworld can cross over (or you cross over to that world). This is why in modern Halloween celebrations we dress up like gouls and ghosts, etc.
| ocalhoun wrote: |
| ^Nor will you, because scientists cease to publish their theorems after they die. (lazy of them, right?) |
BTW you sound like a Kender
| Shike wrote: |
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BTW, did you know that Halloween is the ancienct Celtic Religious Holiday Samhain (pronounced sow-een)? Which among otherthings is a fire festival, New Years Eve, Beginning of Winter, and the Day when the Otherworld is most closely aligned with this world and the inhabitants of the otherworld can cross over (or you cross over to that world). This is why in modern Halloween celebrations we dress up like gouls and ghosts, etc. |
By the same token Christmas is based on the Festival of Saturnalia - a pagan holiday first started with the Ancient Greeks I believe.
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| In the Roman calendar, the Saturnalia was designated a holy day, or holiday, on which religious rites were performed. Saturn, himself, was identified with Kronos, and sacrificed to according to Greek ritual, with the head uncovered. The Temple of Saturn, the oldest temple recorded by the pontiffs, had been dedicated on the Saturnalia, and the woolen bonds which fettered the feet of the ivory cult statue within were loosened on that day to symbolize the liberation of the god.
It also was a festival day. After sacrifice at the temple, there was a public banquet, which Livy says was introduced in 217 BC (there also may have been a lectisternium, a banquet for the god in which its image is placed in attendance, as if a guest). Afterwards, according to Macrobius (I.10.1  , the celebrants shouted "Io, Saturnalia!" at a riotous feast in the temple.
The Saturnalia was the most popular holiday of the Roman year. Catullus (XIV) describes it as "the best of days," and Seneca complains that the "whole mob has let itself go in pleasures" (Epistles, XVIII.3). Pliny the Younger writes that he retired to his room while the rest of the household celebrated (Epistles, II.17.24). It was an occasion for celebration, visits to friends, and the presentation of gifts, particularly wax candles (cerei), perhaps to signify the returning light after the solstice, and sigillaria. Martial wrote Xenia and Apophoreta for the Saturnalia. Both were published in December and intended to accompany the "guest gifts" which were given at that time of year. Aulus Gellius relates in his Attic Nights (XVIII.2) that he and his Roman compatriots would gather at the baths in Athens, where they were studying, and pose difficult questions to one another on the ancient poets, a crown of laurel being dedicated to Saturn if no-one could answer them. During the holiday, restrictions were relaxed and the social order inverted. Gambling was allowed in public. Slaves were permitted to use dice and did not have to work. Instead of the toga, less formal dinner clothes (synthesis) were permitted, as was the pileus, a felt cap normally worn by the manumitted slave that symbolized the freedom of the season. Within the family, a Lord of Misrule was chosen. Slaves were treated as equals, allowed to wear their masters' clothing, and be waited on at meal time in remembrance of an earlier golden age thought to have been ushered in by the god. In the Saturnalia, Lucian relates that "During My week the serious is barred; no business allowed. Drinking, noise and games and dice, appointing of kings and feasting of slaves, singing naked, clapping of frenzied hands, an occasional ducking of corked faces in icy water—such are the functions over which I preside." This equality was temporary, of course; and Petronius speaks of an impudent slave being asked at some other time of the year whether it was December yet. Dio writes of Aulus Plautius, who was to lead the conquest of Britain, cajoling his troops. But they hesitated, "indignant at the thought of carrying on a campaign outside the limits of the known world." Only when they were entreated by a former slave dispatched by Claudius did they relent, shouting "Io, Saturnalia" (LX.19.3). (If a time of merriment, the season also was an occasion for murder. The Catiline conspirators intended to fire the city and kill the senate on the Saturnalia, when many would be preoccupied with the festivities. Caracalla plotted to murder his brother then, and Commodus was strangled in his bath on New Year's eve.) |
Regards
Chris
| ryukenden wrote: |
| Is there any scientific proof about afterlife if you believe in it? I could not find any. |
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With a topic like this, I think it's a given that anything stated is simply a belief. There is no way to know what happens, so anything said is just conjecture. In the Christian Bible, it sounds like the dead stay dead until the rapture.
Is that the general belief of christians? That no one will be raised to Heaven until the Rapture? |
Actually I was going to say that we're only sleeping until God comes for us. That's my belief anyway. I feel we'll all find out pretty much at the same time.
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Proof? Evidence? |
We're asked for our opinions, our beliefs. Why should be offer proof for this? Besides, if we had hard physical proof one way or the other, this thread would be pointless.
While the vast majority of Christian denominations do not even believe in the Rapture, for which there are only 3 verses in the Bible to support, in most distorted form, only Seventh Day Adventists, among any formal denomination believe in even this (atlthough many more believe foolishly in the Rapture as a physical event).
The Repture is the ressureaction of the spirit of the Army of Isreal (God, not to be confused with the mild east). In other words, the tatered spirits of the righteous are restored and awakened. (You think you are righteous?!?!)
The Repture is the ressureaction of the spirit of the Army of Isreal (God, not to be confused with the mild east). In other words, the tatered spirits of the righteous are restored and awakened. (You think you are righteous?!?!)
Well , i think it depends on what you believe , for buddhism , they believe that you'll either become a human again (if you do good deeds) , or you become an animal .
Yeah maybe you'll what happens to you after you die depends on your belief. i belive nothings impossible so i have a very open mind to any possibilities. I belive that after you die there is nothing or nothing we can remember just the same as before we are born. Yet i'm conflicted because i belive we have a soul therefore i think there could be something after death so i'm at a loss as to what to think. My conclusion is lets wait and see...
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