Black and poor ...
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First came the poor man, barely 17 years old -- too young to buy beer or vote, but an adult under the Texas penal code. He took part in a $2 stickup in which no one got hurt. He pleaded guilty to aggravated robbery and was put on 10 years of probation.
He broke the rules once, by smoking marijuana. A Dallas judge responded in the harshest possible way: He replaced the original sentence with a life term in prison. |
... versus white and rich.
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Now the flip side of the coin, also from Judge Keith Dean's court: A well-connected man pleaded guilty to murder -- for shooting an unarmed prostitute in the back -- and also got 10 years of probation.
The killer proceeded to break the rules by, among other things, smoking crack cocaine. He repeatedly failed drug tests. He was arrested for cocaine possession in Waco while driving a congressman's car, but prosecutors there didn't press charges. |
I guess crime doesn't matter, only money does ...
http://www.november.org/thewall/cases/brown-ty/brown-ty.html | Bondings wrote: |
| I guess crime doesn't matter, only money does ... |
...that, and location/region. I have seen (when I was in America) cases where the exact opposite situations occurred. The problem is not only that a lot of whites discriminate against blacks, but also that a lot of blacks do the same things against whites.
Change countries, and you just find different sets of prejudices. For example, here in Honduras, black and white is not really an issue. On the other hand, people will be discriminated against if they are campesinos (i.e. "country dwellers" or rural people - to use another English word, "hicks").
A big part of the problem is that parents teach these "values" to their children. I have heard black parents tell their children to stay away from people (even schoolmates their own ages with whom the children get along just fine) because they are white. Some people try to excuse or dismiss this as only being a reaction to other discrimination, but two wrongs do not make a right. The fact remains: parents continue to teach their children the parents' own values instead of the right values.Well, the legal system is very corrupt. Just look around you, and you will find that people do not have their best interests in morality and the law, but in connections and favors.
Things are more complex than presented by Bondings short quotes. I followed his link and read the very long article.
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Meanwhile, Mr. Brown's co-defendant, Lewis Bivins, also got in trouble while on probation -- he pleaded guilty to car theft. Judge Dean sent him to boot camp and let him return to probation.
Only after Mr. Bivins committed two further crimes -- burglary and another robbery -- did the judge send him to prison. He, too, is now serving a life sentence.
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The issue is not really white vs. black, rich vs. poor but a combination of these and others. DISPARITY between sentences in similar cases is a problem of the common law system (US, UK, etc). bias!! the world is biased. It is sad but true. Everyone has to go through it. Sometimes it is rich vs. poor, black vs. white, some religion vs. other. Why cant people realize that we are in this one world and we are all the same? We have this one life, why cant we all live in harmony!!!
It looks like if your ever up in front of Judge Keith Dean you need to wear an expensive suit
Same where ever you go........
Doesn't matter what the crime or where you are in the world its all just a money making scheme.
If you can aford to bail yourself out, you can go home, if you cant afford it you end up in a prison cell, what should money matter when your caught of a crime?
got told after a speeding offence, that cos i was in a company car, there was no way going to court would result in me losing my licence, that cop was correct, not long after soemone else got caught same speed, lost their licence....private car, not other difference!!
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Black and poor ...
| Quote: | First came the poor man, barely 17 years old -- too young to buy beer or vote, but an adult under the Texas penal code. He took part in a $2 stickup in which no one got hurt. He pleaded guilty to aggravated robbery and was put on 10 years of probation.
He broke the rules once, by smoking marijuana. A Dallas judge responded in the harshest possible way: He replaced the original sentence with a life term in prison. |
... versus white and rich.
| Quote: | Now the flip side of the coin, also from Judge Keith Dean's court: A well-connected man pleaded guilty to murder -- for shooting an unarmed prostitute in the back -- and also got 10 years of probation.
The killer proceeded to break the rules by, among other things, smoking crack cocaine. He repeatedly failed drug tests. He was arrested for cocaine possession in Waco while driving a congressman's car, but prosecutors there didn't press charges. |
I guess crime doesn't matter, only money does ...
http://www.november.org/thewall/cases/brown-ty/brown-ty.html |
Yeah, you can get away with anything these days if you have the money. Also you said about Black and white, there is much racism all over the world, people can claim they do stuff for a reason but also just be racist. It does annoy me how rich people think they are so much more important though, just because they have money. Especially these people that are born into money, seriously what right do they have to discriminate? Money doesn't make you a better person, and neither does the colour of your skin.As with any human institution, there is, and always will be flaws. The justice system is not perfect, but at least it's something.
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Things are more complex than presented by Bondings short quotes. I followed his link and read the very long article.
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Meanwhile, Mr. Brown's co-defendant, Lewis Bivins, also got in trouble while on probation -- he pleaded guilty to car theft. Judge Dean sent him to boot camp and let him return to probation.
Only after Mr. Bivins committed two further crimes -- burglary and another robbery -- did the judge send him to prison. He, too, is now serving a life sentence.
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The issue is not really white vs. black, rich vs. poor but a combination of these and others. DISPARITY between sentences in similar cases is a problem of the common law system (US, UK, etc). |
I agree. Racism may or may not be an issue here - you can't know that racism exists by looking at statistics, especially extremely localized ones. If you were IN the courtroom for both of those cases, THEN you could allege that racism was a problem here. If you aren't you don't have the information the judge did. This is why we have judges in the first place.wow dudes,
this sucks.
If indeed racism, then it is once again proven that the US is a third world country, well at least among the developing countries. There are some cultural and advanced hot spots, but in general...
Anyway, no one can really trust the judging system. They are not independent at all. IOW this world is sick, because people are not thrustworthy and integer.
Face the facts people, where ever we go, regardless of which country we are in there will always be racism, corruption, biasness and whatever else.
As sad as it may be, truth is, the world is unfair. Some of us try so hard to make a difference or change people for the better but end up failing or with poor results. It's simply because sometimes people don't want to change. People love to give excuses like "that fellow is biased" or "i bet he was racist" and so many more.
The problem is the pepole. Black people commit murder & rape, so do the white, likewise the indians pour acid on their spouses and the chinese kill the children if they are girls. Every ****** where we go there is some crap like that. It's not just about the color , the race or anything superficial. All the hate, despair, racism, biasness stems from right within.
Bottom line : Think smart & fast. That brown dude, if he had any brains should have realised that in a country where his people are frowned upon, mistakes he makes would be seen and judged as ten fold more.
It's a bit true when they say that the system rewards the rich and powerful. Thats what I don't like about politics, these people just care for the support and contributions. When elected, all they do is work in the interest of getting reelected.
It's obvious that the world we live in is not perfect and has a lot of injustice, hate, violence, mis-understanding and so on. We've had these things with us right from the beginning. What's more, these things will continue to be with us for one very simple reason: people are selfish and unwilling to change or make sacrifices.
It wouldn't be good if everyone was the same or acted the same. It would be good, if each and every one of us tried to better ourselves, and at the same time, the lives of those around us. But even then, there are those who don't want to be helped, who won't change. Nothing ever changes.
The only thing that can be done, is that those of us who want things to be better, need to use whatever we have and whatever life gives us to make our own lives better first, then those of others we meet along the way.
It's been done before. Take a loook at someone like Oprah Winfrey for example. She's not perfect either, but she lifted herself up from a traumatic start in life and has gone on to encourage other people to make their own lives better too.
Money would make a difference in this matter, however. If one can get a good lawyer sure it would make a difference.
Money always makes a difference in situations like these.
It's sad and ****** up, but it's true.
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Money always makes a difference in situations like these.
It's sad and ****** up, but it's true. |
To true 
If your well connected, got a healthy bank balance, it doesn't seem to matter what you do, your crime will be punished in the lightest possible way.And they say we live in a democracy.
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| And they say we live in a democracy. |
I'm not even going to bother writing a detailed response to that. | suntzu3500 wrote: |
| LostOverThere wrote: | | And they say we live in a democracy. |
I'm not even going to bother writing a detailed response to that. |
Especially since he lives here in Australia, where it is a Constitutional Monarchy. I hate to say it but that post was pointless 
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For all we know, this could just be a mistake on the judges behalf.
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Is that a different location or not? Could have something to do with it...
Otherwise, the judge should be fired for racism and discrimination, because aren't they supposed to be politically correct?
