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Convert or kill (Left Behind: Eternal Forces)

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Bondings
I just heard about the game Left Behind: Eternal Forces that will be for sale pretty soon in the USA.

Now apparantly the goal of the game is to slaugher all the jews, atheists, gays, ... who don't want to convert to some specific kind of christianity.

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You are on a mission - both a religious mission and a military mission — to convert or kill Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, gays, and anyone who advocates the separation of church and state - especially moderate, mainstream Christians. Your mission is “to conduct physical and spiritual warfare”; all who resist must be taken out with extreme prejudice.


It is purposely situated in New York to take advandage of the 09/11 attacks. Ambulances have 911 written all over them.

Of course, religious messages are never far away.

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The dialogue includes people saying, "Praise the Lord," as they blow infidels away.


This educative christian game will be sold by most stores and distributed in several churches.

Jerome Mikulich wrote:
We see it as a beacon of light that could shine in the dark world of video games.


http://www.bloggingbaby.com/2006/10/30/video-game-where-jews-and-atheists-must-be-killed-or-converted-d/
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2006/5/29/195855/959
http://cosmicvariance.com/2006/05/30/the-purpose-driven-humvee/

The perfect Christmas gift. Very Happy
Soulfire
Well, as you'd know, there are two (or more) sides to ever story.

So, is religion now barred from video games as well? How long before we ban religion from the country? I mean, we're beginning down that slippery slope. Why aren't we posting about games like Grand Theft Auto in which kids are learning to rape, torture, kill, and destroy?

LB Games wrote:
Recently, much controversy has ensued due to published articles in the media which discuss the violence in our upcoming game, Left Behind: Eternal Forces. However, references to “praise the lord and pass the ammunition” or “kill in the name of God” or others were made by journalists spreading misinformation, which is absolutely not true. And for this reason, I have published this statement.

Journalists spreading misinformation. Now imagine that... Shocked

LB Games wrote:
There is no blood or gore in Left Behind: Eternal Forces. The game is designed to be a classic battle between good and evil, but it does not gratuitously depict violence or death.


LB Games wrote:
Others are concerned about the pre-trib religious doctrine believed by the Left Behind authors. Left Behind is not the Bible, it is a fictional story and accordingly, situations resulting from the stories' post-apocalyptic time-frame are used to encourage gamers to think about matters of eternal significance, a topic largely ignored by modern games.

It's a fictional story, but includes Biblical codes.

I'm not saying that it's the greatest game, far from it. But have you checked it out for yourself, or did you stumble upon a heresay article and just pass it on?

It goes without saying that your sources are biased (oops, guess I said it). However, if you want, check out the game and form your own opinions (instead of passing on misinformation) at
http://www.leftbehindgames.com/

Read the article I quoted from right from the publishers:
http://www.leftbehindgames.com/pages/controversy.htm

Again I say, I don't know if I agree with the game - it's a pretty "iffy" idea in my opinion, but I would be wary about what we're telling other people.
HoboPelican
Soulfire wrote:
....I'm not saying that it's the greatest game, far from it. But have you checked it out for yourself, or did you stumble upon a heresay article and just pass it on?
....


LOL... Sorry, but that is pretty funny. You think maybe we should prohibit referencing anything but legitimate news sites? No more blogs? Do you protest when, oh, let's take an example....Sendkeys pulls out some blatantly biased blogpoop? Nah, that's fine, right?

But I say it's a good idea. No more blog references in the news forums. Would you like to make that an official suggestion, or should I?
Soulfire
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LOL... Sorry, but that is pretty funny. You think maybe we should prohibit referencing anything but legitimate news sites? No more blogs? Do you protest when, oh, let's take an example....Sendkeys pulls out some blatantly biased blogpoop? Nah, that's fine, right?

I'm sick of the argument of "Your sources are biased." Because my opinions differ from the homogenized democrat opinions of FriHost, any article that challenges that is automatically labelled biased.

What S3ndK3ys posts is in support of Iraq - but we don't want people to see anything good, now do we?

But this isn't even the issue at hand - what I was asking was are these his opinions, or did he stumble upon a blog that said this game makes you kill people who don't convert then just fly off the handle with it.

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But I say it's a good idea. No more blog references in the news forums. Would you like to make that an official suggestion, or should I?

Go for it.

Care to add anything relevant to this topic now? (The game)
HoboPelican
Soulfire wrote:
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I'm sick of the argument of "Your sources are biased." Because my opinions differ from the homogenized democrat opinions of FriHost, any article that challenges that is automatically labelled biased.
....
Care to add anything relevant to this topic now? (The game)


Actually, I tend to agree with you about the game. The article seemed a bit biased and unless I actually see the game, I don't feel like I can make a judgement. But your response that the source was biased reflected so well MY thoughts when I read all the worthless blogs posted in the Mideast topic. Blogs are NOT sources of news in my opinion. If it was up to me I wouldn't allow them in the news forums. But that is just me.

Unfortunately, as you pointed out here, sources CAN be biased so it is always going to be an issue. You have to be ready expose it AND be ready to take it when it goes against you.

(BTW- If I seemed overly harsh, I do apologize. I do respect your positions and how you back them up with what I see as rational thought.)
Soulfire
I was overly harsh too, it just seems that no topics on here can get anywhere anymore without biased sources.

Now I'm tempted to buy the game and see for myself. Hrm...
gh0stface
You're going to be hard pressed to find a non-biased news source. A lot of the journalism caters to what the people want to hear. For me, blogs are an ok source, but I wouldn't completely depend on it. Blogs offer different insights and views on a subject that a newspaper or TV news wouldn't be able to offer.

I always like to research the issues and see both sides of the arguments before I make a decision. Anyways, I found more articles about this game:
Wired
Sioux City Journal
Video Game Buttons
Warcry

The latter two links are more blog like.
Bondings
First of all, I didn't intend to create such a heavy discussion. This post wasn't meant to be against religion or christianity, only about the morality of the game (which I didn't play - I rarely play games and definately not the ones I don't like).

I do know that the links I provided are all negatively biased towards the game or however you may call this, that's the reason I chose them. I didn't intend them to be news articles in the strict sense of the word, they are opinionated articles about this game - not a neutral review.

Soulfire wrote:
So, is religion now barred from video games as well?

That's not what I meant, I don't have a problem with the religion aspect in a game although I don't like it myself most of the time. (but don't object it either)

Soulfire wrote:
How long before we ban religion from the country?

Good idea! I wouldn't go as far myself, but if you insist ... Very Happy

Soulfire wrote:
I mean, we're beginning down that slippery slope. Why aren't we posting about games like Grand Theft Auto in which kids are learning to rape, torture, kill, and destroy?

Don't make me start about GTA, from what I heard (never played it myself) it definately shouldn't be suited for children as they might confuse it with reality.

However, the main difference is that in GTA all violence/crime still remains a crime and you can get arrested because of it. (yes, also not from my own experience) And even if it wouldn't, it's still a game that doesn't treat those crimes as morally right.

LB Games wrote:
There is no blood or gore in Left Behind: Eternal Forces. The game is designed to be a classic battle between good and evil, but it does not gratuitously depict violence or death.

That's exactly the point. It's not the blood and gore that are the problem. It's the morality of the game that is. Killing/murdering someone is disgusting, immoral and a criminal fact and should stay that way. By removing the blood you are also removing the disgusting part of the action.

What I find objecting in this game is that it is treating murder as morally justified if the heathen (muslim, atheist, catholic) doesn't convert to their religion. The game is representing this attitude as good and christian. And this kind of things are nefarious for the eduction of children, especially younger ones.

And the first quote (repeating it here) is from the game description itself (or at least that's what a lot of articles pretend). I don't know about you, but it's shocking me.
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You are on a mission - both a religious mission and a military mission — to convert or kill Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, gays, and anyone who advocates the separation of church and state - especially moderate, mainstream Christians. Your mission is “to conduct physical and spiritual warfare”; all who resist must be taken out with extreme prejudice.


How would you react if there was a muslim game situated in New York with an option/part kill the citizens if they don't convert to their religion? And of course also with a mission to crash a few planes into those satanic buildings. (ok I'm exagerating, but just trying to prove my point)
tidruG
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Because my opinions differ from the homogenized democrat opinions of FriHost, any article that challenges that is automatically labelled biased.

You don't want to tread that path. I've stated time and again that Frihost does not have any official political opinions. The opinions reflected here by members are the opinions of the members.
If we had Democrat opinions, we'd have a special forum called "Bushisms" in the Humour category, we'd censor the word "Republicans" and we'd have banned anyone who was a Republican. (The fact that S3nd K3ys has started more flamey threads/posts against "lieberals" and/or Muslims than I can remember and is still not banned speaks volumes.)

I don't care how pissed off you get when you read something you don't like. If you're making accusations, you'd better have some kind of backup for them.

As for the game, I don't like the idea of killing non-believers... however, apparently, that's not what the game is about. It appears that violence is supposed to be less used, and that evil can be thwarted with a push of the "Prayer" button. I won't make any more comments until either I play a demo or I read a proper review of the game. Until then, I think the game can be dismissed as yet another religiously overtoned game.
simp
Christianity shows its true colors! No surprise here. . .
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