http://news.google.com/news?lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Donald%20Rumsfeld%20Resigned&sa=N&tab=wn
I expect a lot of people to be happy. Not much to change, but a lot of people will be happy.
"Hey Rumsfeld, win the war in Iraq, but only by 'winning the hearts and minds' of the Iraquis. Don't do any of that warmongering stuff." | S3nd K3ys wrote: |
http://news.google.com/news?lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Donald%20Rumsfeld%20Resigned&sa=N&tab=wn
I expect a lot of people to be happy. Not much to change, but a lot of people will be happy.
"Hey Rumsfeld, win the war in Iraq, but only by 'winning the hearts and minds' of the Iraquis. Don't do any of that warmongering stuff." |
I'm glad to hear this. I have family in the military who were asking for his resignation, and they are pleased that he has resigned. Hopefully, we can end up with someone a little more...competent... | Runescaper wrote: |
| S3nd K3ys wrote: | http://news.google.com/news?lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Donald%20Rumsfeld%20Resigned&sa=N&tab=wn
I expect a lot of people to be happy. Not much to change, but a lot of people will be happy.
"Hey Rumsfeld, win the war in Iraq, but only by 'winning the hearts and minds' of the Iraquis. Don't do any of that warmongering stuff." |
I'm glad to hear this. I have family in the military who were asking for his resignation, and they are pleased that he has resigned. Hopefully, we can end up with someone a little more...competent... |
Not sure why you think he wasn't competent, or why you think things will be different.
The only difference I see coming is gridlock in the government. Not that it's always a bad thing, but we've got a lot of things that need attention right now.Dumbsfield was incompetent. Not hard to figure out, but hey, who am I to omplain?
| Runescaper wrote: |
| who am I to omplain? |
I like that attitude.This is a change, and I hope it is a sign of more to come. The change of power in the senate and house will either mean we'll have an even more innefficient congress, with senseless bickering taking up all the time, or, as I hope, the politicians have recognized the need and want for change and will start to work together. If the Bush administration was still totally stay the course, why would Rumsfeld resign? I think it was a tactical play by the administration, they don't want it to seem like a complete about face, but rather a switch of tactics. If they want any chance of regaining the majority and the presidency in 2008, they better start doing things right.
as republicans lost in election, mr bush made him the target for making changes .. i think election result's reflects what's people think about bush administration .. and war on IRAQ, that made by mr. bush and Rumsfeld, was wrong at all ...
Firing Rumsfeld is symbolic of the end of the Bush doctrine. It's been tried, and it failed.
Bush's firing of Rumsfeld was his act to "appese" the other side, he was taking a page from the governators handbook right there, this is his last term, and right now we need Runsfeld for the War of Terror, he should have done even more to get this ended, not just bow down...
Wonderful, wonderful news. =]
| Star Wars Fanatic wrote: |
| Bush's firing of Rumsfeld |
| S3nd K3ys wrote: |
| Star Wars Fanatic wrote: | | Bush's firing of Rumsfeld |
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He did in essence "fire" him, he sort of, sacraficed him to appease the other side (democrats).^Wait wait wait...
Since when did it change from Rumsfeld stepped down to Rumsfeld was fired or Rumsfeld was forced to step down?
Well it doesn't really make sense that Rumsfeld said he would stay on till the end of Bush's term, and then he goes and does this, also, if Bush really didn't want him to leave, I am sure he could have made him stay. So while there is no realy proof that Bush made Rumsfeld step down, it certainly appears that way.
| Star Wars Fanatic wrote: |
if Bush really didn't want him to leave, I am sure he could have made him stay. |
| Star Wars Fanatic wrote: |
| So while there is no realy proof that Bush made Rumsfeld step down, it certainly appears that way. |
Enough with the conspiracy theories!
Rumsfeld is a free person, and can quit his job if and when he wants to.
Despite what you may think, Bush is not an evil dictator. (even if it appears that way.)Lol, I don't think he is an evil guy, in fact I like everything he has done so far with the war, except this, but, you are right... This isn't a movie where we come up with conspiracy theories. 
| ocalhoun wrote: |
| Star Wars Fanatic wrote: |
if Bush really didn't want him to leave, I am sure he could have made him stay. |
| Star Wars Fanatic wrote: | | So while there is no realy proof that Bush made Rumsfeld step down, it certainly appears that way. |
Enough with the conspiracy theories!
Rumsfeld is a free person, and can quit his job if and when he wants to.
Despite what you may think, Bush is not an evil dictator. (even if it appears that way.) |
:sigh: No doubt.
I'm still trying to figure out what oriface you pulled 'Bush fired him' from...Lol, actually I was listening to a talk show host the other night 
And though I might not totally agree with him, he did bring up some interesting points. Although I probably shouldn't have been so hasty to just post it all, lol. 
Great! Now all you have do is get rid of Bush and afew others.
I will do my best (by voting) to get rid of our Labour party.
| Runescaper wrote: |
| Dumbsfield was incompetent. Not hard to figure out, but hey, who am I to omplain? |
How was he incompetent?^He failed to make everybody in America like him, which is a sure sign of an incompetent politician... [/sarcasm]
I don't know if Gates will really be that good. He was in a senior enough position to be involved in Iran-Contra, and about funding Islamic militants in Afghanistan he said:
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| CIA had important successes in covert action. Perhaps the most consequential of all was Afghanistan where CIA, with its management, funnelled billions of dollars in supplies and weapons to the mujahideen, and the resistance was thus able to fight the vaunted Soviet army to a standoff and eventually force a political decision to withdraw. |
Seems a bit short sighted right now... Finally is Bush chained, now i has to listen to the democrats and he must make choices that are in line with the democrats. 
Rumsfeld is the one who orkestrated the entire war in iraq and off course Bush felt in his trap.
Now it is time for a new wind in the USA and that Bush will finally place his signature under the Kyoto protocol. 
| nopaniers wrote: |
I don't know if Gates will really be that good. He was in a senior enough position to be involved in Iran-Contra, and about funding Islamic militants in Afghanistan he said:
| Quote: | | CIA had important successes in covert action. Perhaps the most consequential of all was Afghanistan where CIA, with its management, funnelled billions of dollars in supplies and weapons to the mujahideen, and the resistance was thus able to fight the vaunted Soviet army to a standoff and eventually force a political decision to withdraw. |
Seems a bit short sighted right now... |
It's not the first time an ally of the United States became an enemy after a war was over. The USSR being a case in point after World War II, as well as France after the American Revolution (The Quasi War 1797-1801). And in both of those cases I wouldn't consider allying with the Soviet Union or France short-sighted. It helped accomplish the immediate political objectives.
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
And I wouldn't consider supporting the mujahideen short-sighted either. It helped accomplish the immediate political objective of toppling the Soviet Empire.
The root cause of the conflict between the United States and Al Qaeda (and the house of Sa'ud and Al Qaeda) was the United States moving troops into Saudi Arabia to defend her from Iraq in 1990. It had nothing to do with anything that occurred in Afghanistan during the Soviet-Afghan War.
There's just always that nasty problem of what to do with your mercenaries after the war is over.
Respectfully,
MRumsfeld leaving was a PR trick. Nothing is going to change. Same thing with the congress going to the dems. The dems have no plan for iraq. Except for pulling out... and not even the whole party is for that.
It is soo funny how people get all excited when Rumsfeld said he was resigning. So many people feel things are in some whay different... but there not.
Rumsfeld was a scapegoat plain and simple. Everybody inside and outside of the white house wanted to get rid of him, because to allot of people he symbolizes everything that was wrong with policy in Iraq. The only reason he wasn't kicked out earlier is because the only person left to blame would be Bush. Whatever the case him leaving is an indication of something, what exactly remains to be seen.
In one respect I am little worried that the House and Senate have shifted and that Rumsfeld has resigned, yet I know now that Democrats should have less people to point fingers at except themselves. The last 6 plus years all I have heard is whining about how Bush is wrong and our government is a joke. I would like to see someone show us better. If it happens I'll be happy, but more than likely people will start to notice that wars and problems of this magnitude (Iraq, terrorists, 911, Hurricane Katrina, etc) take time to resolve and people need to be a little more patient and put a little trust in their leaders. Bottom line is that the government is looking for a fresh start (or so it seems) and Rumsfeld resigning was a big step towards that. If you were Rumsfeld would you want to stick around when you knew even more people were going to be against you? What's the point, nothing gets done. I hope he made the decision on his own.
