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Winston Churhill (& grandson) On Islam

 


S3nd K3ys
This article is biased against Islam. I'm guessing they meant radical Islam, so we'll assume that for the sake of argument and hurt feelings.

(Winston Churchill was a former PM in England around WWII)

Quote:
Winston Churchill On Islam
The River War, 1st edition, Vol II, pages 248-250 (London, Green &Co, 1899).

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die. But the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytising faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."

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On 14 June 1921, hard on the heels of the Cairo Conference, at which he had presided over the re-shaping of the Middle East, including the creation of modern day Iraq, he warned the House of Commons:

--''A large number of [Saudi Arabia’s King] Bin Saud’s followers belong to the Wahabi sect, a form of Mohammedanism which bears, roughly speaking, the same relationship to orthodox Islam as the most militant form of Calvinism would have borne to Rome in the fiercest times of [Europe’s] religious wars.

The Wahabis profess a life of exceeding austerity, and what they practice themselves they rigorously enforce on others. They hold it as an article of duty, as well as of faith, to kill all who do not share their opinions and to make slaves of their wives and children. Women have been put to death in Wahabi villages for simply appearing in the streets.

It is a penal offence to wear a silk garment. Men have been killed for smoking a cigarette and, as for the crime of alcohol, the most energetic supporter of the temperance cause in this country falls far behind them. Austere, intolerant, well-armed, and blood-thirsty, in their own regions the Wahabis are a distinct factor which must be taken into account, and they have been, and still are, very dangerous to the holy cities of Mecca and Medina…''

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For in the end, Churchill saw the Sudan campaign as a conflict between barbarity and civilisation. Of the battle of Omdurman he wrote: “Civilisation — elsewhere sympathetic, merciful, tolerant, ready to discuss or argue, eager to avoid violence, to submit to law, to effect compromise — here advanced with an expression of inexorable sternness.”

From Winston Churchill (1874-1965) also on Islam:
"Islam, which above all others was founded and propagated by the sword - the tenets and principles of which are . . . incentives to slaughter and which in three continents had produced fighting breeds of men - simulates a wild and merciless fanaticism" (quoted by Michael Savage).

Two more related quotes:
--''A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.''

--''An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.''


Googling on Churchill and Islam, I came to this conference report made by Winston's grandson, also named Winston Churchill. He gave it in Jackson, Tenn. about a month ago.

Quote:
Churchill warns of Islamic threat, recounts grandfather’s legacy
http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/bpnews.asp?ID=24058
By Tim Ellsworth
Baptist Press. Sep 27, 2006.

JACKSON, Tenn. (BP)--Radical Islam poses to Western civilization a threat similar to that of the Nazis and the Soviets, Winston Churchill said Sept. 26 at Union University.

Churchill -– author, journalist, former Member of Parliament and grandson of the former British prime minister -– spoke before about 1,800 people at Union’s 10th annual Scholarship Banquet to raise funds for students scholarships.

“Together we have overcome far more powerful enemies than those that assail us today,” Churchill said. “I have every confidence that, in confronting this new challenge, America and Britain -– together with our allies -– can prevail and shall prevail, just as together we have triumphed in the past.”

Churchill noted his grandfather’s crusade against the Nazis and the Soviets and his efforts to woo the support of Franklin D. Roosevelt in the fight.

“By the power of his oratory, he persuaded his fellow countrymen -– though the situation seemed hopeless -– not to surrender in those crucial weeks of late May/early June 1940, when all effective resistance to the Nazis on the continent of Europe had come to an end and many, including the friends of Britain abroad, thought that we were finished,” Churchill said. “It was this alone that made possible -– once America joined the fray some 18 months later -– the liberation of the nations of occupied Europe and the ultimate defeat of Nazi Germany.”

If it weren’t for his grandfather’s resolute opposition to Germany, Churchill said the Nazi swastika might still be flying over Buckingham Palace, the houses of Parliament and the capitals of Europe.

One of the qualities that made Churchill so successful as a leader was his prescience, the younger Churchill said. His grandfather was one of the first to warn about the dangers that Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union presented.

The former prime minister also spoke about the dangers of Islamic fundamentalism 85 years ago, and the younger Churchill said recent events have proven his grandfather to be prophetic. The threat from radical Islam comes in two forms, Churchill said. The first is the global terrorist threat that everyone recognizes. The second is a demographic threat confronting Europe.

For example, Churchill pointed to the population trends in France, where 10 percent of the population is Islamic. But among those 20 years of age and younger, that percentage rises to 30 percent. Given the rates at which Muslims reproduce, that means France will be an Islamic state in only one generation.

“Europe is sleepwalking towards disaster,” Churchill said. “We would sooner commit national suicide than be accused of being politically incorrect.”

Churchill concluded his remarks by examining the essence of leadership, as embodied by his grandfather.

“It comprises many elements: knowledge, wisdom, prescience, honor and courage,” Churchill said. “As Winston Churchill himself declared, ‘Courage is rightly esteemed the first of human qualities, because it is the quality which guarantees all others.’”

Previous keynote speakers for the scholarship banquet include George H.W. Bush, Margaret Thatcher, Mikhail Gorbachev, Rudy Giuliani, Colin Powell and Lou Holtz.


This quote really sticks out with me...

Quote:
“Europe is sleepwalking towards disaster,” Churchill said. “We would sooner commit national suicide than be accused of being politically incorrect.”


For all the PC crap we're forced to endure in the hopes of not offending anyone, we are clearly putting ourselves at risk. Some have speculated that it's already too late for Europe.
LeviticusMky
Churchill was a notorious racist and theist, it's not suprising that he had no nice things to say about Islam. He was very much a racial supremacist, though his exploits in saving the free world tend to make history look on him as one of the "really good bad guys."
S3nd K3ys
LeviticusMky wrote:
Churchill was a notorious racist and theist, it's not suprising that he had no nice things to say about Islam. He was very much a racial supremacist, though his exploits in saving the free world tend to make history look on him as one of the "really good bad guys."


What does racist have to do with Islam? (if he was racist, I don't know. And how about his grandson? Is he racist too?) Are you sure he wasn't just reacting to what he saw in Islam? If you ARE sure, perhaps you'll provide some insight as to why you feel that way?
Soulfire
I read excerpts from the book "Why I am not a Muslim" and one quote stuck out at me:
Quote:
Islam is a cult of death and tears

Regardless of whether that's true or not, it was seared into my memory, just as a cattle is branded. I don't think I'll ever forget it.
HoboPelican
S3nd K3ys wrote:
LeviticusMky wrote:
Churchill was a notorious racist and theist, it's not suprising that he had no nice things to say about Islam. He was very much a racial supremacist, though his exploits in saving the free world tend to make history look on him as one of the "really good bad guys."


What does racist have to do with Islam? (if he was racist, I don't know. And how about his grandson? Is he racist too?) Are you sure he wasn't just reacting to what he saw in Islam? If you ARE sure, perhaps you'll provide some insight as to why you feel that way?


Actually, he was quite rascist. Pretty well documented...
as an example, in 1937 he said..
Quote:

"I do not admit...that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America, or the black people of Australia...by the fact that a stronger race, a higher grade race... has come in and taken its place." Thus justifying one of the most brutal genocides and mass displacement of people in history. He also had hatred for Indians "I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion." By `beastly religion' he was of course talking about Hinduism.


He was a great man and did amazing things for HIS country, but the guy was hopelessly biased.
BlockUp
Soulfire wrote:
I read excerpts from the book "Why I am not a Muslim" and one quote stuck out at me:
Quote:
Islam is a cult of death and tears

Regardless of whether that's true or not, it was seared into my memory, just as a cattle is branded. I don't think I'll ever forget it.


This is not true at all! It is indeed a very powerful phrase. But I speak Arabic, I can explain what the actual word Islam means.

Firstly, it can mean submission, and in Islam this sumbission is to the one true God. Muslims like to call that God Allah, but there is no difference between the God that Christians refer to and Allah; Allah is just the arab name for a God.

Secondly, it means peace. It is derived from the word salam. This is why you will hear many Muslims greet each other with the words assalamo alaykum. This literaly means: peace upon you.

As a Muslim myself, I think it is sad that many people are swayed by reading books, watching television and similar media; also, judging the whole Muslim population by one radical group, tyranical leader or ahrsh government. But to be perfectly honest, I am not interested in fighting or arguing with anyone about my religion anymore. While I am proud of being a Muslim, I think that the best way to go forward is to ignore all the snide remarks, the unneccessary threats, and to just carry on living my life. I could be doing something that could please Lord a lot more than arguing and causing hatred and wars amongst ourselves.
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