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ghosts are they real??
i think they are what about you?
this is one thing of semi proof, some of the instances are a lil skeptical.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5406487197364769612&q=ghosts&hl=en
post some answers and why you think what you think, examples would be awesome.
this is one thing of semi proof, some of the instances are a lil skeptical.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5406487197364769612&q=ghosts&hl=en
post some answers and why you think what you think, examples would be awesome.
Well, I believe that ghosts exist in the form of a temptation of Satan.
| Soulfire wrote: |
| Well, I believe that ghosts exist in the form of a temptation of Satan. |
Intriguing idea, Soulfire. I never heard that thought before. Any chance I could get you to elaborate?
I too believe that satan uses things like "ghosts" and "aliens" to divert attention away from his followers--demons. The Bible speaks of demons as wandering fallen angels. They are not omnipresent like God is.
I have been attacked at night by demons. I say they were demons because they were mocking Jesus name. One big one actually pushed me in my bed. I was conscience while this was happening. Yet, the Bible teaches that He (the Holy Spirit) who is in us (believers in Jesus' death and resurrection for the forgiveness of our sins) is GREATER than he who is in the world (Satan). This truth has comforted me often. Satan is trying to tear down Christians.
Glen
I have been attacked at night by demons. I say they were demons because they were mocking Jesus name. One big one actually pushed me in my bed. I was conscience while this was happening. Yet, the Bible teaches that He (the Holy Spirit) who is in us (believers in Jesus' death and resurrection for the forgiveness of our sins) is GREATER than he who is in the world (Satan). This truth has comforted me often. Satan is trying to tear down Christians.
Glen
The Bible tells us to stay away from Wicca, Witchcraft, the dead, spirits (excluding the Holy Spirit, of course), divination, etc. (If you want, I can give you the verses).
But my theory is that the "ghosts" we see and feel are temptations of Satan. The ghosts are an attempt by Satan to get us to believe in the ghosts, communicating with the dead, divination, etc. They are an attempt to get us to go against the Bible, to ignore God's word, which will strain our relationship with God.
I hope that makes sense.
But my theory is that the "ghosts" we see and feel are temptations of Satan. The ghosts are an attempt by Satan to get us to believe in the ghosts, communicating with the dead, divination, etc. They are an attempt to get us to go against the Bible, to ignore God's word, which will strain our relationship with God.
I hope that makes sense.
ohhh shoot.. hahaha... I couldn't help laughing.. sorry guys.. maybe cause I am from different part of the world.. what ever the heck you do.. you just don't want to take responsiblity for it.. and just dump it on satan or his temtations.. and when did ghosts took a partnership with satan.. I mean what exactly are you saying as ghosts.. Dracula, the great invention of Bram Stoker or something like casper.. or in like constantine.. or just for the things that happens and no explanation..
What have we done? What are we to take responsibility for?
I stated my belief, but apparently that's not the way things go around here. You're not allowed to have an opinion. But the Bible is *clear* about Satan and his temptations, so no, I'm not dumping it on him - that's just the way it is. He's evil, he tries to get you to go away from God. Ghosts are one of his tools.
Ghosts aren't partners with Satan - I don't know where you got that idea. And Dracula wasn't a ghost, he was a vampire - and a fictional, mythical creation - nonexistant. The same can be said for casper.
Anything intelligent to add?
I stated my belief, but apparently that's not the way things go around here. You're not allowed to have an opinion. But the Bible is *clear* about Satan and his temptations, so no, I'm not dumping it on him - that's just the way it is. He's evil, he tries to get you to go away from God. Ghosts are one of his tools.
Ghosts aren't partners with Satan - I don't know where you got that idea. And Dracula wasn't a ghost, he was a vampire - and a fictional, mythical creation - nonexistant. The same can be said for casper.
Anything intelligent to add?
Wow, I never thought that Satan would use ghosts to try to tempt us. That's quite an interesting thought to it. Personally, I cannot really say what I think on ghosts, since I have never witnessed them... lol
From what nerds from Discovery Science tells me spiritual world can exist and we can see ghosts or their actions sometimes...
So i guess i believe in spirits... hm...
So i guess i believe in spirits... hm...
i am also a believer that ghosts can excist. Sometimes i have the idea that a ghost sends signals to me.
Specially when i have a problem that i can't solve and suddenly i see the picture for solving that problem.
Also when i am working on my job and i must lift some artefacts and they are beyond my controle and suddenly i have found the power to fullfill the job.
I know it sounds crazy, but that are the things that i experience.
Specially when i have a problem that i can't solve and suddenly i see the picture for solving that problem.
Also when i am working on my job and i must lift some artefacts and they are beyond my controle and suddenly i have found the power to fullfill the job.
I know it sounds crazy, but that are the things that i experience.
Entertaining as it is to read how crazy people are....no.
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| The Bible tells us to stay away from Wicca, Witchcraft, the dead, spirits (excluding the Holy Spirit, of course), divination, etc. (If you want, I can give you the verses).
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The religion Wicca only came into exsistance in 1956. It was invented by Gerald Gardener.
Ghosts can be divided into two phenomina.
1) They are the spirits of those who have died but either have not moved on. or come back in visitation.
2) They are like a video recording caught in time which plays over and over again.
I myself have seen spirits. I used to have one in my home, but now just comes back from time to time in visitation.
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| i am also a believer that ghosts can excist. Sometimes i have the idea that a ghost sends signals to me.
Specially when i have a problem that i can't solve and suddenly i see the picture for solving that problem. Also when i am working on my job and i must lift some artefacts and they are beyond my controle and suddenly i have found the power to fullfill the job. |
This is probably your spirit guide, so don't forget to thank her/him when you've been helped.
I don't understand why ghosts are thought to be evil. If they were nice people when they were alive, then surely, they are going to be equaly as nice when they are in spirit form. I accept there are some unpleasent ghosts, but they were bad people when they were alive.
I have a good friend who claims the house he grew up in is haunted. He says he and the ghosts eventually made peace. It's quite an old house, built around the turn of the century (er um, the turn of the century before last). I'll be moving into it soon, so I suppose I'll have to make peace with them too...
In seriousness, I'm of the opinion that things like this, and most things addressed by organized religion, are mysteries. And the truth of these mysteries cannot be known by man, through "revelation" or otherwise. When we join the realm of the dead, we'll know about it, but until then one should keep an open mind. Certainly, I don't believe that the five senses of man can discern universal truths, so I don't believe that science can prove or disprove the existence of spirit.
In seriousness, I'm of the opinion that things like this, and most things addressed by organized religion, are mysteries. And the truth of these mysteries cannot be known by man, through "revelation" or otherwise. When we join the realm of the dead, we'll know about it, but until then one should keep an open mind. Certainly, I don't believe that the five senses of man can discern universal truths, so I don't believe that science can prove or disprove the existence of spirit.
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| The religion Wicca only came into exsistance in 1956. It was invented by Gerald Gardener.
Ghosts can be divided into two phenomina. 1) They are the spirits of those who have died but either have not moved on. or come back in visitation. 2) They are like a video recording caught in time which plays over and over again. I myself have seen spirits. I used to have one in my home, but now just comes back from time to time in visitation. |
I didn't mean that the Bible was directly referring to Wicca, but that it was referring, instead, to things of the nature of Wicca.
I myself have come to believe that the label of 'ghost' has come from centeries of paranormal events. I think that yes, there are spirits who roam the Earth (for what ever reason, may they be good or bad) to fufill a duty from either God or Satan.
I don't believe that spirits are evil, exactly, I just think that 'ghosts' have become known to be a haunting paranormal event. Ghosts were considered a part of Halloween and other cultural fastivals, but influences from Hollywood and the Melting Pot of America have spread the idea and turned it into something different.
Okay, so i'm somewhat babbling now
. This is what I believe (which is what the topic asks for: "Do you believe they exist?"), I am not forcing you to believe them and i could care less if you didn't.
God bless,
Pampoon
I don't believe that spirits are evil, exactly, I just think that 'ghosts' have become known to be a haunting paranormal event. Ghosts were considered a part of Halloween and other cultural fastivals, but influences from Hollywood and the Melting Pot of America have spread the idea and turned it into something different.
Okay, so i'm somewhat babbling now
. This is what I believe (which is what the topic asks for: "Do you believe they exist?"), I am not forcing you to believe them and i could care less if you didn't.
God bless,
Pampoon
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| Ghosts were considered a part of Halloween and other cultural fastivals, but influences from Hollywood and the Melting Pot of America have spread the idea and turned it into something different.
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The original festival, called Samhain is still a very important festival today amongst pagans. We believe that at Samhain the veils between the realms are at their thinest, allowing the blessed ansestors to enter into this realm. It is a time when we think about our ancestors who have passed on, particularly in the last year. Although we don't sumon them, we do invite them to join us if they wish.
Incidently, the word bonfire comes from bonefire. The bones of those who had passed on in the previous year would have been put on the bonefire. There is a lot more to this sacred festival than this, but it is not relevant to this topic.
The fact that there is a great deal of things we don't know about the universe and that we learn every now and again makes me consider that it is a possibility. But then to see one or claim to see one is another thing, and then how do you go about prooving that it was a ghost? How do you proove the existence of something like that?
Yes there are ghosts in the world (in my belief). THey can actually, again in my belief, be either of living or dead people. My rationale for this is Astral Projection. A spirit can leave the body for a time and travel, thus becoming a ghost.
THe other kind is the "lost" spirit of a dead person who hasn't found their way to the Otherworld, or they have crossed back to check on their descendants.
There are many explinations for these phenomena. The ones above are actually only a fragment of my particular beliefs on the matter, but probably the most relavent.
THe other kind is the "lost" spirit of a dead person who hasn't found their way to the Otherworld, or they have crossed back to check on their descendants.
There are many explinations for these phenomena. The ones above are actually only a fragment of my particular beliefs on the matter, but probably the most relavent.
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| But then to see one or claim to see one is another thing, and then how do you go about prooving that it was a ghost? How do you proove the existence of something like that? |
You can only prove it to yourself. You can tell other people about your experiences, but it's up to them if they believe you or not. In my own case, other family members have also seen the spirit we have in our home. They've also witnesed other phenomina, sometimes at the same time as other family members and sometimes by thenselves, which defies any natural explanation. To quote Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, “When you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains--however improbable--must be the truth.”
One question a lot of people ask is how did I first realise we had a spirit. Excluding the fact that as soon as my daughter was old enough to talk, she would point and say "there's my friend ghostie", the wierdest time being when she "saw" her friend ghostie outside the local co-op.
I noticed things were being moved around in my home. I would go down in the morning to find items had been moved, which was strange because at that time I was the last to bed at night and first to get up in the morning. Every night before going to bed I would line up the ornaments on top of the fire mantle so they were in line with the tiles, and sure enough, when I went down in the morning they would be moved. I also became aware of other things happening.
In the end, I went to see an old neighbour to find out the history of myhouse, only to discover she knew about the spirit and told me about it. To cut a long story short, a previous owner went into a coma at home and died 3 days later without regaining consousness. She loved her home, and she worked at the local co-op
Ghosts do exists.
Well.... BOOOO!!!
Well.... BOOOO!!!
I believe that spirits can contact the living, but we shouldn't be afraid of them, just because they died. Why the F*** would they want to haunt us any way??? 
Yes I believe in ghosts. There are many stories and pictures of them so it must be something 
unlike most evangelical christians i do believe in Ghosts, it wild how christians say they dont believe in ghosts but they believe in the holy spirit or holy ghost depending on who you as, and i didnt believe in ghost till a few years ago, i could tell ya stories that wold make the hair on ya arms stand up, LOL Grandma use to tell me if i saw a ghost in black to ask it what it wants in the name of Jesus , but ghost in white wont hurt you. lol
I like how religion... Christianity can be slapped onto anything including ghosts and make it sound plausible. Next step, combine Christianity with evolution. Hah, I dare you to try that!
Nature-based religions have always believed in ghosts and I think this might be a reason why religions like Christianity refute their existence.
That's one thing I don't understand. If it's neccessary to call the spirit or ghost "holy", there must be others or it wouldn't be neccessary to use the prefix "holy".
I agree. Unfortunately programs like Most Haunted are drawing attention to the more unpleasent spirits, and people think these are typical of spirits. this really isn't true. I've never felt threatened by a spirit. Most of those who contact me want me to pass a message on to a loved one for them.
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| it wild how christians say they dont believe in ghosts but they believe in the holy spirit or holy ghost |
That's one thing I don't understand. If it's neccessary to call the spirit or ghost "holy", there must be others or it wouldn't be neccessary to use the prefix "holy".
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| I believe that spirits can contact the living, but we shouldn't be afraid of them, just because they died. Why the F*** would they want to haunt us any way??? |
I agree. Unfortunately programs like Most Haunted are drawing attention to the more unpleasent spirits, and people think these are typical of spirits. this really isn't true. I've never felt threatened by a spirit. Most of those who contact me want me to pass a message on to a loved one for them.
Some scientists belive ghosts are nothing but a trick of the mind yet i belive that they are real. I have several beliefs as to what ghosts may be. They might be souls. You might become a ghost after you die or they could be beings from a paralell universe showing through from time to time. I have seen ghosts but i dont really know what they are yet.
| Soulfire wrote: |
| The Bible tells us to stay away from Wicca, Witchcraft, the dead, spirits (excluding the Holy Spirit, of course), divination, etc. (If you want, I can give you the verses).
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The Holy Spirit isn’t a dead spirit. I believe that the Bible says to stay away from mediums, but it doesn’t say that you can’t commune with your departed love ones. I have conversations with my deceased grandparents and great grandmother in dreams on an occasional basis, and I don’t think the Bible has anything against this, even though I think it is real and not just a dream.
| Soulfire wrote: |
| But my theory is that the "ghosts" we see and feel are temptations of Satan. The ghosts are an attempt by Satan to get us to believe in the ghosts, communicating with the dead, divination, etc. They are an attempt to get us to go against the Bible, to ignore God's word, which will strain our relationship with God.
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The Bible is explicitly warning about spiritual dangers, not making an academic warning against superstition. I’m not aware of any passage in the Bible that advises against superstition. By changing the danger from a real spiritual one to merely the “danger” of falling into superstition, you are basically poo-pooing these warnings in the Bible. So you have it backwards, it is actually the denial of ghosts that demeans the Bible’s warnings about mediums and spiritualists.
There are no such things as ghosts, aliens, demons etc
Don't watch TV too much.
I have never seen such thing. Neither any of my acquaintances.
Don't watch TV too much.
I have never seen such thing. Neither any of my acquaintances.
| Shike wrote: |
| Yes there are ghosts in the world (in my belief). THey can actually, again in my belief, be either of living or dead people. My rationale for this is Astral Projection. A spirit can leave the body for a time and travel, thus becoming a ghost. |
Interestingly enough, I had some research done on my brain, and the doctors that performed the research, you can research him Dr. Vernon Neppe, deduced that my brain activity is that which leads to having the ability to project myself somewhere else, whether it be on purpose or unconsciously. It would explain why I have people walking up to me telling me they saw me somewhere that I wasn't. They also found that my brain activity also leads to what is essentially a medium. That I have the ability to notice phenomena that the normal mind can't pick up. That's just my belief with their research. I have no need to explain myself to anyone, if you wish to believe it, then believe it, if not, no harm no foul.
I don't believe in gosts and I'm shocked how many people do actually believe in them...
| smarter wrote: |
| There are no such things as ghosts, aliens, demons etc
Don't watch TV too much. I have never seen such thing. Neither any of my acquaintances. |
just because you havent seen them doesnt mean they're not there. I mean how can you be so sure. WE cant prove they do or dont exist therefore you cant say that these things definitely dont or do exist. Its just a matter of opinion.
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| I don't believe in gosts and I'm shocked how many people do actually believe in them... |
Why should this shock you? Just because you don't believe in them doesn't mean they don't exsist.
I have inherited the ability to see spirits. I believe some people are more able to see them. Children in particular have this ability. As they grow older they may lose this ability, probably because they are told not to be so silly, or ghosts doen't exsist.
Within my family it is common for young children to see spirits. They are able to talk freely about who they see. This is also true of any other psychic gift they have. For instance, during the last World Cup, one young lad predicted Englands scores. Some people weren't very happy when he told them the final (losing) score, but after the second correct prediction, people started asking the score of the next game. He knows not to gain from this ability, so refused to tell anyone who wanted to put a bet on. Sorry to have gone of topic. Got a bit carried away.
i'd love to have that ability. Yet some scientists say its a medical condition. Theres a medical condition for people to look at colours and automatically hear sounds so why shouldn't there be more stranger and more unusual medical conditions. Maybe thats all ghosts are...
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| i'd love to have that ability. Yet some scientists say its a medical condition. Theres a medical condition for people to look at colours and automatically hear sounds so why shouldn't there be more stranger and more unusual medical conditions. Maybe thats all ghosts are... |
I believe there was a time when we all had psychic abilities but have lost them through not using them. By your name you appear to be a spirital person, if you work at it you may find you do have some psychic abilities. Even those who have them work at improving them.
I can't quote any factual evidence.....but I do believe that spirit lives on after the body dies.......and they are not always happy about it. 
If they are malevolent or not ,I think it has to with the death of the body....either via violence, or they think it was not thier time.
If they are malevolent or not ,I think it has to with the death of the body....either via violence, or they think it was not thier time.
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| I can't quote any factual evidence.....but I do believe that spirit lives on after the body dies.......and they are not always happy about it.
If they are malevolent or not ,I think it has to with the death of the body....either via violence, or they think it was not thier time. |
Why should they be unhappy about still having an existence. What they are unhappy about is the loss of their earthly life.
Some spirits do remain earthbound. Some may not realise they are no longer alive. This could certainly be the case with someone whose life ended abruptly. Someone from the Otherworld or a medium from this one helps these people to pass over.
Some are so attached to their homes or families they don't want to leave. This is what hapened with spirit who is now in visitation in my home. I found out from a neighbour that she really loved her home, so it makes sense that she didn't want to leave. She stayed in my home for many years, but at some point decided it as time to go. Now she just visits. It's possible that someone who had been really nasty in life is afraid to go on to the next place.
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