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Do you think less of promiscuous women?
Be honest!
Do you lose respect for a woman if she's known to 'sleep around' so to speak?
What do you think of the double standards for men/women regarding sexual 'purity'? Do you acknowledge their existence?
Do you lose respect for a woman if she's known to 'sleep around' so to speak?
What do you think of the double standards for men/women regarding sexual 'purity'? Do you acknowledge their existence?
Double standards, biasness etc is ever present. Just don't expect a decent girl if your a person who's promiscuos
i lose as much respect for a girl as i do for a guy. while i don't believe the religious belief in "waiting until marriage" (i do respect the idea tho), i still think that sex is supposed to be special and limited to someone you love, whether that person is your spouse or your boy/girlfriend. one night stands i understand to a degree if they just "happen", but as for those who just run out and look for somebody to sleep with every night, those, whether male or female, fit in my "******" category. sex is not recreation, people.
I most definitely lose respect for females like that. In my opinion, if a person is not going out with someone, then he or she should not have sex with them or even make-out with them. Girls who go around flashing people and hitting on everyone are the reason that so many guys are tempted to cheat on their girlfriends. I think that you should really care about the person you are having sex with, whether you are male or female. Having sex just to have sex is unacceptable in my eyes.
| cocobirdi wrote: |
| sex is not recreation, people. |
Why not? I'm not the type of person you described, but this sentence interests me. If two consenting people want to have safe sex for fun, what's wrong with that?
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Why not? I'm not the type of person you described, but this sentence interests me. If two consenting people want to have safe sex for fun, what's wrong with that? |
Hypothetical situation for proof of concept:
A guy approaches you and says, "You have two choices. I will give money to a charity to save 5 people's lives or I will give money to a charity to save 10 people's lives. The choices are that simple. The amount of money I give is no object to me and will not affect me or anyone else poorly."
You would likely answer that he should save 10 people's lives. Why pick the former when the latter is better?
The point is this ... among each of the decisions we make each day, very few are pure "good vs. evil" decisions. There is a whole spectrum along which we place our options before choosing the best. The way you engage in sexual activity is subject to that just as much as any other decision. Those people that eschew promiscuity would argue (as I do) that partnering physical intimacy exclusively with emotional intimacy enhances the experience of both in an unparalleled way. To freely engage in sex at other times makes the experience of sharing it with someone you love deeply less special than if you were someone who reserved sex exclusively for a person you love deeply. In other words, it's not that sex is just plain bad - if it is safe sex then it is tremendously pleasurable and good for your health. But you still can make a choice beyond that - and some of this think that reserving sex for those with whom we share a deep love is the better choice.
Going back to that hypothetical situation. Electing to save 5 lives is in and of itself a good choice. However, when you consider that in this situation electing to save 5 lives also means electing to specifically not save 5 others, it would be hard to not say that that choice is "wrong."
So at least for me, when I say promiscuous sex is wrong, it is because there is a *better* choice.
As for the original question:
You should judge a person by past actions only as you are confident that those past actions will determine future actions in a way you need to know about.
Remember that everyone changes and each situation - each decision - can be very unique. Therefore each choice is unique and you should offer each person the opportunity to form your opinion of them with the actions they are choosing now.
Do you leave your son alone in his room with the girl who has slept with the entire high school? Maybe not b/c she could get pregnant, he could get sexually transmitted infections, or he could get deeply hurt by the relationship. But do you form your entire opinion of this girl based on her promiscuity? No, because for most interactions with her, you don't have to make any choices that force you to consider those past actions. You should still treat everyone with civility and a sense of humanity and offer them reasonably chances to make decisions that do not detract from your opinion of them.
You should judge a person by past actions only as you are confident that those past actions will determine future actions in a way you need to know about.
Remember that everyone changes and each situation - each decision - can be very unique. Therefore each choice is unique and you should offer each person the opportunity to form your opinion of them with the actions they are choosing now.
Do you leave your son alone in his room with the girl who has slept with the entire high school? Maybe not b/c she could get pregnant, he could get sexually transmitted infections, or he could get deeply hurt by the relationship. But do you form your entire opinion of this girl based on her promiscuity? No, because for most interactions with her, you don't have to make any choices that force you to consider those past actions. You should still treat everyone with civility and a sense of humanity and offer them reasonably chances to make decisions that do not detract from your opinion of them.
Interesting reading. For me, like most topics here, it depends on definition. What does promiscuous mean? Is it dependent on numbers? Is someone promiscuous if they have 2 partners in a year? 4? 20? or is it more about having multiple partners at the same time?
If a lady has long sexual history, it means nothing to me unless we are looking into a relationship. And then it is only important in a medical sense, (both disease and mental stablity). I tend to think sex is best with in relationship based on love, but that is just me. I dont expect others to feel the same way.
BTW - I see a big difference between a person with a long history of partners and someone who poaches people in a relationship. Enjoying casual sex in an honest manner is not a big deal, but cheating and sleeping with someone already in relationship is pretty scummy.
If a lady has long sexual history, it means nothing to me unless we are looking into a relationship. And then it is only important in a medical sense, (both disease and mental stablity). I tend to think sex is best with in relationship based on love, but that is just me. I dont expect others to feel the same way.
BTW - I see a big difference between a person with a long history of partners and someone who poaches people in a relationship. Enjoying casual sex in an honest manner is not a big deal, but cheating and sleeping with someone already in relationship is pretty scummy.
Hell yes I think less of promiscuous women. They are trashy for the most part and arn't worth anything in the long run.
Yea they look good and every time I see a great looking one I think about what an awesome one-nighter we could have, but thats just it. Its one night. There's no substance in a slutty girl. I'd much rather get hooked up with a girl who will wear cute, but appropriat clothes. There's plenty of stuff out there to wear that doesn't have your boobs poping out or are so short you can almost see the girls ass.
A girl should also watch her mouth and not chase after boys. They shouldnt play a whole lot of hard to get, but they definatly shouldn't just hop on some guy and ask to be sexed. Sure they can hint at things, but hinting at maybe liking someone and being dirty are two different things.
Yea they look good and every time I see a great looking one I think about what an awesome one-nighter we could have, but thats just it. Its one night. There's no substance in a slutty girl. I'd much rather get hooked up with a girl who will wear cute, but appropriat clothes. There's plenty of stuff out there to wear that doesn't have your boobs poping out or are so short you can almost see the girls ass.
A girl should also watch her mouth and not chase after boys. They shouldnt play a whole lot of hard to get, but they definatly shouldn't just hop on some guy and ask to be sexed. Sure they can hint at things, but hinting at maybe liking someone and being dirty are two different things.
| kcthomas44 wrote: |
| Hell yes I think less of promiscuous women. They are trashy for the most part and arn't worth anything in the long run.
Yea they look good and every time I see a great looking one I think about what an awesome one-nighter we could have, but thats just it. .... A girl should also watch her mouth and not chase after boys. ... |
LOL. So, you'd do one, but wouldn't date one. I think you just said more about YOUR morals than you intended to. Of course, this is the same guy who said:
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| There is no such thing as gay people. These people are just mentaly deranged. |
Gays are sick. Girls should not ask a guy out. Girls should be lady-like and not cuss. I imagine this guy thinks housewives should wear dresses and pearls while vacuuming
I thank God that most people in the US do not feel this way.
Wow. Shold I really dive into this churning sespool of accusitory and off-base questioning and statementism? I think so. Lol.
Okay, for the original question, I dont exactly think less of them, moreover I feel sorry for them that they've made this choice in their lives. This goes fir BOTH sexes. I mean, it's your own personal choice, but there are reasons that God set the standard that he did. Sex was meant to be a sacred bond between a man and his wife, meant to be ONLY for married couples, and a NORMAL couple, not a man and a man. "Do not lay with a man as you lay with a woman, for this is detestable to Me. I shall cast you from the gates as if you were a filthy rag and I will proclaim I never knew you. Women do not lay with a woman; this is also the same." That is a verse in the bible. I believe it's in Ephesians, Phillipians, or 2 Chronicles. Lol. On top of that, there's a strict guideline for marriage and sex; it was meant to be one man, one woman, and thier upcoming childeren. The purpose of marriage was not for sex; but for companionship and procreation. Sex was a gift from God, not a right or a personal goal. It was a gift. Modern Earth today has skewed this, and sex is now a commodity to be had. That's why there are so many rapists, molesters, and other people of the like. And on the one side of it, I feel that the sexual deviants, all of them, be they gay or rapists, are all caused by deep scarring as young childeren or adolesents. I havent met one gay man in my life who has had a normal childhood. No one. The most common story is "A woman broke my heart, and I realized I was gay." Yeah, I dont think gay is the solution. It's kind of like a defence mechanism; its not reality. 100% of the gay community are suffering inside and have turned away from everything socially and biologically normal to rescue themselves. I myself once thought I was bisexual. My attraction to the female sex was caused by a massive argument I had with my ex boyfriend, and my responce was to push away everything to find my true self and my HEALED self. That's when I thought I was bisexual. Since then, I've resolved the matter, and my attraction to females has vanished; and it's also beginning to disgust me. Homosexuality is a major cry for help, and sometimes, the homosexual begins to enjoy the mental sickness that seems to protect them. That's where you get gay rights activists. The same goes for sexual promiscuity and all sexual deviants. Now that I've answered what I see fit, I'll go now.
Okay, for the original question, I dont exactly think less of them, moreover I feel sorry for them that they've made this choice in their lives. This goes fir BOTH sexes. I mean, it's your own personal choice, but there are reasons that God set the standard that he did. Sex was meant to be a sacred bond between a man and his wife, meant to be ONLY for married couples, and a NORMAL couple, not a man and a man. "Do not lay with a man as you lay with a woman, for this is detestable to Me. I shall cast you from the gates as if you were a filthy rag and I will proclaim I never knew you. Women do not lay with a woman; this is also the same." That is a verse in the bible. I believe it's in Ephesians, Phillipians, or 2 Chronicles. Lol. On top of that, there's a strict guideline for marriage and sex; it was meant to be one man, one woman, and thier upcoming childeren. The purpose of marriage was not for sex; but for companionship and procreation. Sex was a gift from God, not a right or a personal goal. It was a gift. Modern Earth today has skewed this, and sex is now a commodity to be had. That's why there are so many rapists, molesters, and other people of the like. And on the one side of it, I feel that the sexual deviants, all of them, be they gay or rapists, are all caused by deep scarring as young childeren or adolesents. I havent met one gay man in my life who has had a normal childhood. No one. The most common story is "A woman broke my heart, and I realized I was gay." Yeah, I dont think gay is the solution. It's kind of like a defence mechanism; its not reality. 100% of the gay community are suffering inside and have turned away from everything socially and biologically normal to rescue themselves. I myself once thought I was bisexual. My attraction to the female sex was caused by a massive argument I had with my ex boyfriend, and my responce was to push away everything to find my true self and my HEALED self. That's when I thought I was bisexual. Since then, I've resolved the matter, and my attraction to females has vanished; and it's also beginning to disgust me. Homosexuality is a major cry for help, and sometimes, the homosexual begins to enjoy the mental sickness that seems to protect them. That's where you get gay rights activists. The same goes for sexual promiscuity and all sexual deviants. Now that I've answered what I see fit, I'll go now.
Very interesting question.
Hobopelican's right in that it's pretty vague term to begin with, I suppose it's pretty much a relative thing.
Now... I have to say I would look down on excessive promiscuity. Not to the point where I'd refuse to associate with them, but I certainly couldn't see myself dating someone known for their promiscuity.
I've never really thought about why before, but I suppose it's because I'd want to feel that what we had was special - not that I was just the latest in a long line of empty sexual gratifications. Being entirely honest, I think there's also a self esteem thing in being compared to so many others. Don't like those odds.
Of course, many guys will read 'promiscuity' as 'will put out', and so that's a great big green flag right there. I guess I'm less motivated by sex than some guys - but it could also be tempered by the fact that I've had a steady girlfriend for the last year and a half, and I'm slowly forgetting what it's like to be single. :p
You'd need to look at just why that person acts that way too. Self-destruction, addictive personalities, a habit of regularly getting extremely drunk and losing judgement? They're none of them desirable characteristics.
Promiscuity is also indicative of a few other things about the girl, for instance, usually a pretty extroverted personality, and I do tend to go for introverts, like myself. So not all the reasons I'd shy away from a promiscuous girl are entirely negative. Loud, extroverted girls tend to annoy me. Personal thing.
Hobopelican's right in that it's pretty vague term to begin with, I suppose it's pretty much a relative thing.
Now... I have to say I would look down on excessive promiscuity. Not to the point where I'd refuse to associate with them, but I certainly couldn't see myself dating someone known for their promiscuity.
I've never really thought about why before, but I suppose it's because I'd want to feel that what we had was special - not that I was just the latest in a long line of empty sexual gratifications. Being entirely honest, I think there's also a self esteem thing in being compared to so many others. Don't like those odds.
Of course, many guys will read 'promiscuity' as 'will put out', and so that's a great big green flag right there. I guess I'm less motivated by sex than some guys - but it could also be tempered by the fact that I've had a steady girlfriend for the last year and a half, and I'm slowly forgetting what it's like to be single. :p
You'd need to look at just why that person acts that way too. Self-destruction, addictive personalities, a habit of regularly getting extremely drunk and losing judgement? They're none of them desirable characteristics.
Promiscuity is also indicative of a few other things about the girl, for instance, usually a pretty extroverted personality, and I do tend to go for introverts, like myself. So not all the reasons I'd shy away from a promiscuous girl are entirely negative. Loud, extroverted girls tend to annoy me. Personal thing.
If you hear from your friends or other people that a girl 'sleeps around,' don't necessarily believe it.
A girl I went to school with had a terrible reputation for this, but actually was a virgin until her early 20's. The rumour that she was 'easy' started when she was at a party and rejected some guy. He was so offended by her refusal to sleep with him that he started to tell people that she not only slept with him at the party, but a couple of his buddies as well.
The more she denied it, the more people believed it to be true.
I guess the most important thing my parents taught me was not to judge other people...especially if I don't know them.
A girl I went to school with had a terrible reputation for this, but actually was a virgin until her early 20's. The rumour that she was 'easy' started when she was at a party and rejected some guy. He was so offended by her refusal to sleep with him that he started to tell people that she not only slept with him at the party, but a couple of his buddies as well.
The more she denied it, the more people believed it to be true.
I guess the most important thing my parents taught me was not to judge other people...especially if I don't know them.
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I guess the most important thing my parents taught me was not to judge other people...especially if I don't know them. |
A very good lesson, Jay. Too bad it seems to be so hard to learn.
Like gircalledjay said, I was brought up to not judge other people that I don't know. If they're being unsafe, that's another thing...but just general promiscuity or whatnot won't lessen my judgment about her as an overall person.
| Subsonic Sound wrote: |
| You'd need to look at just why that person acts that way too. Self-destruction, addictive personalities, a habit of regularly getting extremely drunk and losing judgement? They're none of them desirable characteristics. |
So absolutely true. I, for one, also look down on promisques girls because of my experience with one in particular. She was abused in her childhood, knew what had happened and never got any treatment for it. She ****ed around big time (I once caught a venerial desease from her) and eventually got pregnant by accident.
I dare to say that promisques people are a social disturbance.
Depends on whether she or he still does it.
I agree. People should not be judged on their pasts, but pasts do have an undeniable effect on our presents and futures. Quick story: I fell in love with a woman about a year ago, and we enjoyed a monogomous relationship, and we both had a sense we might have a future together - until life threw a little distance into the equation. As someone described a post or two ago about someone else, this girl had some sexual abuse in her past. I'd never thought much about it, but now I feel foolish for having never asked her about how she'd delt with it (or not delt with it) and hindsight now helps me remember a time she mentioned that she didn't really understood what some people got out of counseling. Apparently a failed attempt in her history.
Here's the thing: I don't have a problem with promiscuous people. I'm a church boy compared to many, but giving in to carnal desires is something of human nature, an enjoyable activity that can be shared by consenting adults in a variety of forums. But sex is a powerful experience that releases chemicals in your body and can be used to cover up pain or to manage emotions. In my situation, I didn't really understand what was going on for a long time. We kept in touch, but she pushed me away, and then pushed a little more, eventually cutting me out completely, not because she didn't love me (and I'm sure of that) but I'm pretty sure because of the guilt she was experienceing at her own promiscuity. "I'm too frisky right now to think about us," she finally said in our last person-to-person conversation. "Let me go - at least for a while." I was like, "Huh?" I really hadn't seen it coming.
And so I talked with a few of her friends and discovered that she did indeed have a rather promiscuous past, and then I went to a domestic violence counselor who helped me piece together a potential puzzle. But at this point I'd been asked not to contact her, "at least for a while." What an agonizing conundrum. Someone you're in love with is on a full-bear sex binge, and the question you attempt to pose as politely as possible can only be interpreted as sexual jealousy. And it most certainly was. I kind of view it as a real-life tragedy. I may have been wrong, but my gut says I wasn't, and i know my heart was in the right place, even though the whole ordeal made me rather dysfunctional at times.
Promiscuity is fine. But self-awareness is key. I've spent some time trying to figure out why different people are promiscuous, and the reasons are myriad. Male domination (sexism), childhood abuse, low self-esteem, narcissim, rape recovery, anoreixia. And I'm sure there are promiscuous people who are relatively baggage-free, too. The hard part is, sex is a basic human desire. Having sex feels good, and so promiscuity is perhaps one of the easiest things for people to justify. And we live in a culture that not only accepts it, but encourages it. For me it's not a matter of judgement. It's a question of why. Why is someone promiscuous when he or she could enjoy more fulfilling forms of intimacy?
I don't mean to stand on a soap box here. I've had a few promiscusous phases; I'd probably call them exploration with hindsight. And I probably wouldn't have ever started trying to figure promiscuity out if I hadn't watched a woman who was undoubtedly quite in love run off and start sleeping with random men.
Remember Wilt Chamberlain's story? Or Charlie Sheen's story? I mean, sex is great, but those are just a superhuman appetites for sex.
Here's the thing: I don't have a problem with promiscuous people. I'm a church boy compared to many, but giving in to carnal desires is something of human nature, an enjoyable activity that can be shared by consenting adults in a variety of forums. But sex is a powerful experience that releases chemicals in your body and can be used to cover up pain or to manage emotions. In my situation, I didn't really understand what was going on for a long time. We kept in touch, but she pushed me away, and then pushed a little more, eventually cutting me out completely, not because she didn't love me (and I'm sure of that) but I'm pretty sure because of the guilt she was experienceing at her own promiscuity. "I'm too frisky right now to think about us," she finally said in our last person-to-person conversation. "Let me go - at least for a while." I was like, "Huh?" I really hadn't seen it coming.
And so I talked with a few of her friends and discovered that she did indeed have a rather promiscuous past, and then I went to a domestic violence counselor who helped me piece together a potential puzzle. But at this point I'd been asked not to contact her, "at least for a while." What an agonizing conundrum. Someone you're in love with is on a full-bear sex binge, and the question you attempt to pose as politely as possible can only be interpreted as sexual jealousy. And it most certainly was. I kind of view it as a real-life tragedy. I may have been wrong, but my gut says I wasn't, and i know my heart was in the right place, even though the whole ordeal made me rather dysfunctional at times.
Promiscuity is fine. But self-awareness is key. I've spent some time trying to figure out why different people are promiscuous, and the reasons are myriad. Male domination (sexism), childhood abuse, low self-esteem, narcissim, rape recovery, anoreixia. And I'm sure there are promiscuous people who are relatively baggage-free, too. The hard part is, sex is a basic human desire. Having sex feels good, and so promiscuity is perhaps one of the easiest things for people to justify. And we live in a culture that not only accepts it, but encourages it. For me it's not a matter of judgement. It's a question of why. Why is someone promiscuous when he or she could enjoy more fulfilling forms of intimacy?
I don't mean to stand on a soap box here. I've had a few promiscusous phases; I'd probably call them exploration with hindsight. And I probably wouldn't have ever started trying to figure promiscuity out if I hadn't watched a woman who was undoubtedly quite in love run off and start sleeping with random men.
Remember Wilt Chamberlain's story? Or Charlie Sheen's story? I mean, sex is great, but those are just a superhuman appetites for sex.
if guys can sleep around, why not girls? still prefer if she was clean though... but if she isn't, i don't think i would love her less(if i did love her...)
I lose respect for both promiscuous men and women. =P Think about all the STDs they might have. YUCK.
I neither think less of them nor more. I just dont bother to think. What matters in the end is your interaction with them . Thats it. Who cares if that person sleeps around or is a virgin. Thats his/her problem. Why make it mine by thinkin about it.
I have to admit I do think less of a promiscuous woman especially if she was a possible long-term partner.
That said, I am showing myself to be a total hypocrite due to my own very promiscuous past and even though I thought less of them they were my ‘bread and butter’ when I was younger (and single) god bless ‘em!
I thought less of them in those days but so much so I wouldn’t sleep with a promiscuous woman.
My outlook has always been, a partners past is not so important – its how they behave from the time you get together that is important. After all, if you have a GREAT sexual partner from the get-go you should always remember to ask yourself, “How did she/he get so good?”
But don’t beat yourself up about your partner’s past, its today that counts.
That said, I am showing myself to be a total hypocrite due to my own very promiscuous past and even though I thought less of them they were my ‘bread and butter’ when I was younger (and single) god bless ‘em!
I thought less of them in those days but so much so I wouldn’t sleep with a promiscuous woman.
My outlook has always been, a partners past is not so important – its how they behave from the time you get together that is important. After all, if you have a GREAT sexual partner from the get-go you should always remember to ask yourself, “How did she/he get so good?”
But don’t beat yourself up about your partner’s past, its today that counts.
When it comes to the sexual act, YES but considering other aspects, NO. It is highly unfair if you judge a person from being promiscuous as something that reflects the totality of his/her personality. But to answer your question, in general NO. there should be more to her than just sex.
I never loose respect for women who are promiscuous, but I would advise them to not be promiscuous.
Well, the question's subjective.
If she's slept with the entire school football team, then yes I would. But if she's gone out to a few clubs and enjoyed a few one night stands... as much as every few weeks or so, then no.
There's a difference between slutty behaviour and "responsible" promiscuity.
If she's slept with the entire school football team, then yes I would. But if she's gone out to a few clubs and enjoyed a few one night stands... as much as every few weeks or so, then no.
There's a difference between slutty behaviour and "responsible" promiscuity.
Wow... there are some really well thought out and articulated posts here. Kudos to many people for sharing some seriously deep and profound thoughts including benjmd, camerakitten, subsonic sound, and wakefield.
As for the original question, I'm afraid I do tend to think less of promiscuous women. But this is not due to their actions, but to their history. Like other people have stated in their posts, promiscuous people tend to have childhood issues including histories of sexual abuse, neglect, father issues, lack of loving and nurturing environment, low self-esteem and a whole myriad of other problems. But ultimately each of these people have deep issues that is manifesting in promiscuity. I'm sure there are plenty of people that are quite normal with happy histories, but I would guess that the majority are not. And unless these people are able to resolve historical issues they have, they will always have a certain level of mental instability that will continue to lead them to poor decision making.
As for the original question, I'm afraid I do tend to think less of promiscuous women. But this is not due to their actions, but to their history. Like other people have stated in their posts, promiscuous people tend to have childhood issues including histories of sexual abuse, neglect, father issues, lack of loving and nurturing environment, low self-esteem and a whole myriad of other problems. But ultimately each of these people have deep issues that is manifesting in promiscuity. I'm sure there are plenty of people that are quite normal with happy histories, but I would guess that the majority are not. And unless these people are able to resolve historical issues they have, they will always have a certain level of mental instability that will continue to lead them to poor decision making.
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As for the original question, I'm afraid I do tend to think less of promiscuous women. But this is not due to their actions, but to their history. Like other people have stated in their posts, promiscuous people tend to have childhood issues including histories of sexual abuse, neglect, father issues, lack of loving and nurturing environment, low self-esteem and a whole myriad of other problems. But ultimately each of these people have deep issues that is manifesting in promiscuity. I'm sure there are plenty of people that are quite normal with happy histories, but I would guess that the majority are not. And unless these people are able to resolve historical issues they have, they will always have a certain level of mental instability that will continue to lead them to poor decision making. |
Maybe it's a difference in culture or country, but I'd have to say there are lots of very normal promiscuous women. I mean, promiscuous does not always mean sleeping with every man available, just that one has sexual relations with other individuals casually relatively regularly.
I.e. a woman who goes out to a club every friday, and goes home with a man every second week, would be considered promiscuous. How-ever for single women that's relatively common (at least in many areas/pockets), and has nothing to do with a need for attention, etcetera, just a want to enjoy. (As with promiscuous men).
Promiscuity could just be a phase in life that people go thru. A lot of people may like to just live on the wild side, while they can.
yea i think less of them, i think of them as hoes & sluts. but we need those from time to time, i mean i dont mind them at all. as far as being commited to them, im coo.....
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