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What is considered IRC?





Vanilla Crazy
I know that IRC probably means nothing that calls itself IRC, but does that mean all chatrooms? Does it include flash chat-logs? What about java-based chatrooms?

There is a non-chatroom, more of an IM service thing called the MeeboMe Widget, and it can be found at www.meebome.com . It only allows chat between 2 persons, one of which has to be the originator of the widget. Would that be allowed?
Bondings
Everything which uses IRC on the server is not allowed.

Flash and java usually don't go through the server, so those are allowed.

The thing you mentioned is allowed, unless you use the IRC option (and only if it goes through the server).
Vanilla Crazy
Oh, ok. I thought it meant chatrooms in general, and it said 'of any kind', so I thought that was "no chatrooms".
Daniel15
Yep, since Java chats don't go through the server, they're allowed here. So, for example, you can use something like pjIRC (as the IRC connection is actually done on your computer).

We have the IRC rule due to the fact that the data centre (SAVVIS or Layered Technologies, I can't remember) has a strict policy on IRC. IRC programs of any sort (including servers and clients) aren't allowed on any of the servers in their data centre (which includes both FriHost servers).
Bondings
Daniel15 wrote:
We have the IRC rule due to the fact that the data centre (SAVVIS or Layered Technologies, I can't remember) has a strict policy on IRC. IRC programs of any sort (including servers and clients) aren't allowed on any of the servers in their data centre (which includes both FriHost servers).

It's not just SAVVIS, but most of the "better" datacenters/networks don't allow IRC for the simple reason that it makes the network much slower and attracts a lot of DOS attacks.

You can check it yourself by comparing the ping to our ip to a lot of other websites. It's pretty good not because something on the server, but because of the SAVVIS network.
Daniel15
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It's not just SAVVIS, but most of the "better" datacenters/networks don't allow IRC for the simple reason that it makes the network much slower and attracts a lot of DOS attacks.

Indeed, that's true. I was going to run an IRC server, but I stopped once I heard about it attracting a lot of DoS attacks, etc.

Bondings wrote:
You can check it yourself by comparing the ping to our ip to a lot of other websites. It's pretty good not because something on the server, but because of the SAVVIS network.

Indeed, the ping is excellent:
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daniel@server1:~$ ping frihost.com
PING frihost.com (216.32.68.254) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 254.68.32.216.reverse.layeredtech.com (216.32.68.254): icmp_seq=1 ttl=51 time=209 ms
64 bytes from 254.68.32.216.reverse.layeredtech.com (216.32.68.254): icmp_seq=2 ttl=51 time=209 ms
64 bytes from 254.68.32.216.reverse.layeredtech.com (216.32.68.254): icmp_seq=3 ttl=50 time=208 ms
64 bytes from 254.68.32.216.reverse.layeredtech.com (216.32.68.254): icmp_seq=4 ttl=51 time=209 ms
64 bytes from 254.68.32.216.reverse.layeredtech.com (216.32.68.254): icmp_seq=5 ttl=51 time=210 ms

--- frihost.com ping statistics ---
5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4001ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 208.886/209.479/210.074/0.596 ms
daniel@server1:~$ ping frih.net
PING frih.net (216.32.85.170) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from host.frih.net (216.32.85.170): icmp_seq=1 ttl=50 time=211 ms
64 bytes from host.frih.net (216.32.85.170): icmp_seq=2 ttl=51 time=207 ms
64 bytes from host.frih.net (216.32.85.170): icmp_seq=3 ttl=51 time=222 ms
64 bytes from host.frih.net (216.32.85.170): icmp_seq=4 ttl=51 time=209 ms
64 bytes from host.frih.net (216.32.85.170): icmp_seq=5 ttl=51 time=207 ms

--- frih.net ping statistics ---
5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 3999ms


As a comparison, a ping to Google:
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daniel@server1:~$ ping google.com
PING google.com (64.233.167.99) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 64.233.167.99: icmp_seq=1 ttl=243 time=235 ms
64 bytes from 64.233.167.99: icmp_seq=2 ttl=243 time=236 ms
64 bytes from 64.233.167.99: icmp_seq=3 ttl=243 time=235 ms
64 bytes from 64.233.167.99: icmp_seq=4 ttl=243 time=237 ms
64 bytes from 64.233.167.99: icmp_seq=5 ttl=243 time=236 ms

--- google.com ping statistics ---
5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4000ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 235.741/236.203/237.022/0.698 ms

And to Yahoo:
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daniel@server1:~$ ping yahoo.com
PING yahoo.com (216.109.112.135) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from w2.rc.vip.dcn.yahoo.com (216.109.112.135): icmp_seq=1 ttl=54 time=258 ms
64 bytes from w2.rc.vip.dcn.yahoo.com (216.109.112.135): icmp_seq=2 ttl=54 time=259 ms
64 bytes from w2.rc.vip.dcn.yahoo.com (216.109.112.135): icmp_seq=3 ttl=54 time=258 ms
64 bytes from w2.rc.vip.dcn.yahoo.com (216.109.112.135): icmp_seq=4 ttl=54 time=258 ms
64 bytes from w2.rc.vip.dcn.yahoo.com (216.109.112.135): icmp_seq=5 ttl=53 time=253 ms

--- yahoo.com ping statistics ---
5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 3997ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 253.861/257.838/259.453/2.131 ms


My ping times are relatively large because I'm in Australia Wink. Ping times to a server in Melbourne is quite quick for me:
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daniel@server1:~$ ping www.telstra.net
PING www.telstra.net (203.50.5.178) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from www.telstra.net (203.50.5.178): icmp_seq=1 ttl=57 time=13.8 ms
64 bytes from www.telstra.net (203.50.5.178): icmp_seq=2 ttl=57 time=13.1 ms
64 bytes from www.telstra.net (203.50.5.178): icmp_seq=3 ttl=57 time=13.9 ms
64 bytes from www.telstra.net (203.50.5.178): icmp_seq=4 ttl=57 time=13.8 ms
64 bytes from www.telstra.net (203.50.5.178): icmp_seq=5 ttl=57 time=13.6 ms

--- www.telstra.net ping statistics ---
5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4002ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 13.194/13.688/13.912/0.294 ms


Very Happy
Psycho_X52
Bondings wrote:
Flash and java usually don't go through the server, so those are allowed.


Is this chatbox a IRC? (i'm just a newb...)
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a simple chat module that allows your site's visitors to chat in an HTML/Javascript pop-up window. Registered users can invite other users to join the chat. No additional software is required.

http://test.sidepotsinternational.com/
http://test.sidepotsinternational.com/chatbox/popup
Daniel15
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Is this chatbox a IRC? (i'm just a newb...)

No, that doesn't appear to use IRC. Please feel free to use that chatbox on your site Wink
Psycho_X52
OK, thanks Smile
Lessien
so if i get this post, i'm allowed to install a javascript to chat or not? cause all this irc is starting to get kinda confusing
what is irc exactly? is it the script or?
sorry, i'm just really new with this. i use mirc at home so i don't know much bout the scripts.
Traveller
Lessien wrote:
so if i get this post, i'm allowed to install a javascript to chat or not? cause all this irc is starting to get kinda confusing
what is irc exactly? is it the script or?
sorry, i'm just really new with this. i use mirc at home so i don't know much bout the scripts.


IRC = "Internet Relay Chat"

It is a network, a protocol, and a set of programs for chats. The term "chat," however, does not mean something has to do with IRC, and there are other programs, using different protocols, that will also implement the chat functionality.

If a chat program that you would like for your site (e.g. the JavaScript one you mentioned) does not, in any way, make use of the actual IRC protocol or IRC network, then it is acceptable for use on FriHost. If it does use IRC, then it would not be acceptable, and you would have to choose a different program.
Lessien
alright
then how can i know wether the program uses that irc protocol or not? it's prob obvious for someone who already knows but i don't want to get into trouble by installing something that isn't allowed, just cause i didn't know. if you know places where i can find allowed chatprograms, that would be nice too, then i'm certain i'm not braking any rule.
Daniel15
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then how can i know wether the program uses that irc protocol or not?

Well, if it doesn't specifically mention 'IRC' on the script's website, then it's not an IRC chat. Most chat scripts don't use the IRC protocol.

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if you know places where i can find allowed chatprograms, that would be nice too, then i'm certain i'm not braking any rule.

Almost everything at hotscripts.com is allowed here Smile. Take a look at http://hotscripts.com/PHP/Scripts_and_Programs/Chat_Scripts/index.html for a nice listing of chat programs (there's a lot of paid scripts there; just skip over them Razz. We don't allow paid scripts unless you can prove to us that you've paid for it.)
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