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Polyphasic Sleep





RoughitforGreen247
I am thinking of trying the Uberman's sleep schedule (polyphasic sleep): Sleeping 20 minutes every four hours, as opposed to the monophasic sleep schedule: 6-9 hours at night, that most people live by. From reading blogs about it, it seems to work quite well for people after the initial period of adjustment. Having an extra 6 hours of freetime every day does seem to appeal to me on a number of levels, particularly because being in a very demanding highschool leaves me with almost no free time on a monophasic schedule. Has anyone tried this? For those of you interested in learning more about the subject, I've gotten most of my information from http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/10/polyphasic-sleep/ and searching google for polyphasic sleep.

They also say that frequent lucid dreams are a sid-affect of this schedule. That would be a fun thing to experience as well, I imagine.
Vrythramax
I do that at work on a regular basis....I never knew there was any other name for than "dodging the boss" Laughing
Petee
That sounds like a very interesting concept, one that I would like to try. However, since I'm still in High School, that wouldn't work out very well for me at the moment. I'm tired enough as it is at school.
Davidgr1200
That sounds very interesting, I must check that website. Just think what I could do with a few more hours a day.
OutlawSpirit
interestin.. tho, it takes me ages to get to sleep so i'd end up spendin an hour.. gonna check this tho
sonicj
Very interesting indeed. I don't think that I could ever pull that off, although I do think that I fall asleep quickly and enter REM quickly. Now I am a firm believer in taking a power nap around lunch. The times that I have been able to do that I sleep for maybe 10 to 20 minutes and feel much better after the initial "shock" or reawakening. I have also found that on long drives, I tend to fall asleep rather easily. So I stop as often as I need and take a 10 minute nap and am ready for another 100 to 200 miles.
thehempclan
The body needs time to rest though. I've heard about it but it sounds like a real strain on the body, more like tricking it into thinking it's rested up. If I lost sleep a few nights in a row I start to feel physically sick, I'd think it'd amplify that feeling if I tried polyphasic.
Jinx
I've never tried the 20 minutes every four hours shedule, but when I was working as a long haul truck driver I had a non-standard schedule.
My husband and I drove as a team, and before they changed the hours of service rules so that we couldn't do it, we drove in shifts of five hours each.
I would drive for five hours, take an hour for chatting with my hubby or surfing the internet, watching videos, or reading, then I would get between three and four hours of sleep before it was my turn to drive.
Each period would vary a bit, but usually by no more than half an hour.
Roughly, seven hours awake, three hours asleep. That seem to work fine, and some days I felt like I was getting too much sleep.
sibbahz
This is an unusual idea, i never get enough sleep at night at the best of time but can usually find time for a snooze here and there as well as 5 hours at night.
jabapyth
I hadnt heard of this before...
interesting idea.
crimson_aria
This is the first time I heard about this. I think it won't work for me. My schedule doesn't allow sleeping every four hours.
saiyeek
that sounds really interesting if it really works. I have to try that. My schedule allows me.... Oh Yeah
Aless
I would die.

Also, doesn't it effect your REM? I know that it takes something like 4-5 hrs to get into REM sleep, so wouldn't this be impossible under poly-whatever? And REM sleep is the most important, leaving you the most rested.
scotty
I'm going to read that article, but right now I need sleep. Ironic I guess but I don't see how decades of regular sleeping patterns can just be abandoned without any consequences.

Like somebody has already said REM (I don't what that is but I'm assuming deep sleep) is the most important part of sleeping and there is no way you can achieve that in 20-30 minutes. Nevertheless it is an interesting idea that I would like to try over the holidays some time and see if it works.

On another note on the news a few weeks ago there was a drug being tested that was able to remove the need for sleep, well at least the urge/feeling of sleepiness.
sonam
I am doing last two year something similar when we working on books translation. Because, I cannot work all time (sometimes we work more then 40 hours) I am going to sleep 30 minutes or less, and then I am like new. But in this time I haven't any other ocupation and when we finish with work I can sleep more.

Sonam
neji
scotty wrote:
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Like somebody has already said REM (I don't what that is but I'm assuming deep sleep)...



I thought that the REM-fas was the last fase in your sleeping?

(after the REM-fase you wake up) (oh, and your eyes are going like hell etc when you're in REM-fase)

Ofcourse i could be wrong. Smile

Sounds intresting do, but still thinking if it's healthy
Rico
They did some tests in the sixtys and woke guys up just before they start dreaming and apparently it made them go crazy. But Id really like to try this polyphasic sleep, time theres never enough of it. Please keep us posted on how its going.
da'nortporn
There are still a few things that can prevent you from doing this, for example:

school

work

and other neccisary stuff...

This post might be quite stupid, but as i fastly checked the website i thouth something like taking a nap every 4 hours? in case thats like that my post had a point i guess...

Of course some peapole just sleeps at work and scool(me) .
snowboardalliance
OutlawSpirit wrote:
interestin.. tho, it takes me ages to get to sleep so i'd end up spendin an hour.. gonna check this tho


Among all the other reasons this is why I wouldn't. Sounds a little crazy, but maybe it can work for some people...
CompactHaven
I always thought it was 20mins asleep, 1 hr awake cuz that adds up to 7-8 hrs.
Kaisonic
Sounds nifty, but almost difficult. Having to sleep that often, and only for 20 minutes? I bet that would take some getting used to, considering my record for the longest time I've been awake in one chunk is over 39 hours, and my average is about 15 hours, so reducing that to 4 and sleeping only 20 minutes after that would definitely be weird for me. Advantageous? Probably. Likely? Not right now.
a.Bird
I definitely just spent the last 2 hours reading that man's blog from day 1 to day 90. So incredible..... SOoooo incredible. I wish my daily life could accomodate such a feat. Polyphasic sleep sounds so practical.

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Ive been so accustomed to thinking of monophasic sleep as normal that this requires a big psychological adjustment. I sometimes feel like an android who plugs himself into a wall socket to recharge once every four hours. I was reminded that babies naturally follow a polyphasic sleep pattern, and my two-year old son is biphasic with his daily naps, so monophasic sleeping patterns may be partially a learned behavior. I read that well tend to drift away from strict monophasic sleep in the absence of time-of-day indicators like sunlight or clocks. I think its possible that a more polyphasic pattern could feel natural and normal in the absence of social conditioning. Its beginning to feel more normal to me with each passing day.


Yeah. That's all I have to say about that.
[FuN]goku
sounds intense... but i got school so i cant fall asleep there lol...
RoughitforGreen247
A lot of you guys seem to be wondering about REM sleep, and its funny you should mention that. The theory is based on a physical and mental adaption your body makes during an initial adjustment period. Basically, your sleep is made up of 90 minute cycles, each of which includes roughly 20 minutes of REM sleep near the end of this cycle. The recommended amount of sleep is 9 hours, or 6 of these cycles. Many speculate that the sleep phases that are not REM are not essential, or even necessary, for a healthy existence, and that they appeared as a result of evolution trying to get humans into their hideaways during the night, when all the serious predators came out. (I should note that an alernative theory is that polyphasic sleep was the original sleep pattern for humans in hunter-gatherer days. This alternate idea speculates that humans cannot benefit from extended REM sleep and therefore when these sleep cycles started getting put right next to eachother as society developed into a monophasic culture, the body had to put less potent activity between the REM cycles). Anyways, thats enough of a tangent. Polyphasic sleep is based around the idea that during an initial adjustment period, your sleep-deprived body will begin attempting to get rest from these 20 minute naps, even though it isn't used to doing so. Eventually, after 3 or 5 days, your body begins to enter REM sleep within these small naps. A fully adjusted polyphasic sleeper catches naps of 20 minutes comprised of almost total REM sleep. If this is true, than 6 naps of 20 minutes of REM is the same as 6 cycles of 90 minutes of sleep in a monophasic pattern.

Whew, that was a lot of text, and perhaps toxic levels of scientific termonology, but I hope I helped some of the more skeptical among you, and further excited the more curious.

I'm planning on getting on this schedule during Thanksgiving, and being able to burn through the worst adjustments during the 4 day weekend.
Vrythramax
This all sounds like a very good idea, but I don't see it as feasable for anyone in the woking class. We are (supposed) to remain awake and alert for our full shift. How does this concept deal with that, or is it just for Ivory Tower Proefessionals who can take a break to sleep at will?

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wernichtfragt
20 minute naps dont seem to much, but as we all know- time is relative
time seems to run faster/slower for me depending on my mental state
when i was a kid, time seemed to be endless
now i feel time running away with tremendous speed, being 20 now

only every once in a while, when i have this feeling of absolute relaxation,
events that endure only a few minutes are experienced as hours

depends on how much information my mind has to cope with at a specific moment
if im free of sorrows, lying on a beach in the sun, time seems to walk extremely slow
if i start thinking of my work again, time starts running again

i think first of all its important to be free of _unnecessary thoughts_ that steal mental power - a task im workin on since i realized that most of the problems that occur in life can be unmasked as no problems at all (most of them are un-justified Fears)
Aless
Well, like someone said above, they've done studies about REM sleep (your deep-dreaming sleep), and people who DON'T get enough REM sleep tend to go a little loopy after a while. That's why teenagers are supposed to be in a danger category, because often they don't sleep for long enough at a time to achieve adequate REM sleep.

Sure, monophastic sleep is a learned, cultural behavior, but there's probably a damn good reason why it developed that way Smile. Just ask anyone who works graveyard...they never sleep as well as the traditional night sleeper.
RoughitforGreen247
Vrythramax wrote:
This all sounds like a very good idea, but I don't see it as feasable for anyone in the woking class. We are (supposed) to remain awake and alert for our full shift. How does this concept deal with that, or is it just for Ivory Tower Proefessionals who can take a break to sleep at will?

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Well, from blogs of those who successfully made the shift, I've generally heard that the naps are somewhat moveable, some say they can even go 6 or 7 hours between naps when they need to. Also, your concern about being alert isn't a problem, in fact, most polysleepers say despite sleeping less, they feel much more alert and at a more constant mental state than they did when sleeping monophasically. I'm planning on using my lunchbreak to take a nap, and other than that it seems to be quite manageable.
Vrythramax
RoughitforGreen247 wrote:
Well, from blogs of those who successfully made the shift, I've generally heard that the naps are somewhat moveable, some say they can even go 6 or 7 hours between naps when they need to. Also, your concern about being alert isn't a problem, in fact, most polysleepers say despite sleeping less, they feel much more alert and at a more constant mental state than they did when sleeping monophasically. I'm planning on using my lunchbreak to take a nap, and other than that it seems to be quite manageable.


I'll accept that, so you don't actually to take a nap every 3-4 hours for this to work for you?

btw....thank you for a concise response Cool
HoboPelican
RoughitforGreen247 wrote:

I'm planning on getting on this schedule during Thanksgiving, and being able to burn through the worst adjustments during the 4 day weekend.


Good luck, RoughIt, I'm really interested in how it works for you. When you do it, keep us updated.
Insanity
It takes me around 30 minutes to fully wake up from any kind of sleep at all, so I don't think that would be a wise decision for me to make. And its really hard for me to go to sleep even once, so yeah.
psycosquirrel
I'm in college and have an hour gap from 3-4PM. I don't get a lot of sleep at night, so I am thinking a combination between monophasic sleep and this method may help me stay alert later on in the night when I am studying... I'll give it a try tuesday and see how it goes.
RoughitforGreen247
I think ive hinted at this, but just to make it a bit clearer because there seems to be some confusion:

The Uberman/Polyphasic sleep cycle requires physical "training" or better termed adjustment. No one is able to enter this cycle for one night to cram for an exam and pull it off successfully. Sleeping disorders usually disappear within this adjustment period, which I consider one of the more amazing aspects of this system. I hear a lot of either "I don't think it would work for me, it takes me a while to fall asleep" or "I might use it to get some extra work done every once in a while." It is literally training your body to be more efficient by depriving it of rest. One of the main reasons this method isn't more widely used is the difficulty of the switch. There are no broad studies, but I believe less than half of those who set out to make the switch are successful, and some are only successful after a number of attempts.

To psycosquirrel, do not enter this method on the night of a big exam, or anything you care about, because you will be benefitting from these 20 minute naps even less than you would be benefitting from 2 hours of continuous sleep on the first night.
Ka7raK
Just explain me how in the hell you want to sleep 20 mins in the middle of something? I mean, with all the noise in the city, concerns and whatsoever, i don't think you might just lay down, sleep 20 mins and wake up for another 40 mins of activity. The problem is your mind won't just shut down like that. But, on the other hand, i don't know anything about the subject...
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