One question is whether the Pope insulted the muslims/Islam. The other question I have is with thousands of quotes from apostles, scholars, popes, bishops, and religious texts to select from, why would the Pope select something that could be perceived to show Islam in a bad light and fan the fires between Christianity and Islam? Why not talk about something else instead?
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ALTOETTING, Germany (AP) -- Pope Benedict XVI said Tuesday that Islamic holy war was against God's nature and invited Muslims to join in a peaceful cultural dialogue.
In a speech at Regensburg University, Benedict made an unusual reference to jihad, or holy war -- a concept used by today's Islamic extremists to justify suicide bombings and other attacks.
Benedict's address was about faith and reason, and how they cannot be separated and are essential for "that genuine dialogue of cultures and religions so urgently needed today."
Citing historic Christian commentary on holy war and forced conversion, the 79-year-old pontiff quoted from a 14th-century Byzantine emperor, Manuel II Paleologos.
"The emperor comes to speak about the issue of jihad, holy war," the pope said. "He said, I quote, 'Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.' " |
Pope wanna say this i think:
"Well,christians are very peaceful and muslims are blood thirsty"
This is a pure provokation
I cant believe them(pope & his followers).What is this "a war" to Islam?
I am not sure about which crusade was it but there was an invasion of Iznik.
In Iznik war:
The crusades killed all the men,women,child everyone everywhere was boiled with blood.They killed babies and babies in mothers.That wasnt enough they killed all cats and dogs.
Or did they gave flowers?
What Pope did that in that time?He was so peaceful.(!)
Crusades also killed Byzantines in Istanbul.
Werent Ottomans take Jews from Spanish massacrers and protect them?
Do you know what did Ottomans do when they invaded Constantinopole(Istanbul after invasion)?
Sultan Mehmet let Christians and Jews to believe what they want.
Muslims and Christians lived in peace for ages.That was just an example.
Until some people provoke them each other.
But I believe that there are some people who still can think peaceful.
I think Pope provokes Muslims and Christians
Do you know the countless insults that the Muslims give to Christianity?
He's telling us that Mohammed's teachings were not new, only the part where "Islam is spread by the sword." In reality, Muslims are Christians who have been caught up into Mohammed's 'supposed' teachings.
I just recently visited a website entitled "Prophet of Doom" about Mohammed, and it's got interesting stuff in the Qu'ran... supposedly a book without contradiction? Right... about that...
But at any rate, I'm not here to say that the Pope's words were justified, but if the Muslims would protest over a cartoon, I'm sure there will be more rioting in the streets and buildings being burned down over this.
Peaceful, eh?
The Pope is denouncing the way Islam is spread - by fear and force. Terrible thing of him to do...
(Hope you caught the sarcasm in the last line).
Christianty spread by love or stg like that? 
No,by crusades.
I think the characteristics of that age required that.(For both religions)
War,blood.
Maybe people only know the language of sword in that era.
But you cant kill anyone for not entering Islam.
I think killing someone for not being Muslim probhited in Islam and has very bad results.
I suggest you to learn Fall of Constantinopole and how mercyful Sultan Mehmet 2 is... All he said, really, was, "Jihad is bad." I fail to see any insult in that.
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| The Pope is denouncing the way Islam is spread - by fear and force. Terrible thing of him to do... |
He better watch out, because people will level the same accusations at him.
In the world's largest country, Indonesia, Islam was brought by traders
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| Islam arrived in Indonesia sometime during the 12th century and, through assimilation, supplanted Hinduism by the end of the 16th century in Java and Sumatra... The spread of Islam was driven by increasing trade links outside of the archipelago; in general, traders and the royalty of major kingdoms were the first to adopt the new religion. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Indonesia
In contrast the "Christians", first the Portugese, and then the Dutch certainly did use force. They unashamedly conquered the islands for the purpose of making money.
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In the 17th and 18th centuries the Dutch East Indies were not controlled directly by the Dutch government, but by a joint-stock trading company, the Dutch East India Company (in Dutch: Verenigde Oostindische Compagnie or VOC). The VOC had been awarded a monopoly on trade and colonial activities in the region by the Dutch parliament in 1602, but had no territory of its own in Java. In 1619, the Company conquered the Javanese city of Jayakarta, burned it to the ground and then founded the city of Batavia (present-day Jakarta), modelling it on Amsterdam.
A primary aim of the VOC was the maintenance of its monopoly of the spice trade in the archipelago. It did this through the use and threatened use of violence against the peoples of the spice-producing islands, and against non-Dutch outsiders who attempted to trade with them. For example, when the people of the Banda Islands continued to sell nutmeg to English merchants, the Dutch killed or deported virtually the entire population and repopulated the islands with VOC indentured servants and slaves who worked in the nutmeg groves. |
I notice you put quotation marks around Christian. Perhaps you yourself don't see them as Christian, in which case any argument there may have been is non-existant.
But regardless, the Crusades and "spread of Christianity by force" is in the past for the most part (there is the occaisonal abortion clinic bomber, but can they really be called Christian? Probably not).
The same cannot be said of Islam. To this day there is a considerably large population of Muslims spreading their faith by fear and force.
What I think is that this is not a war between christians and muslims to get more costumers or how they did it, or how they do it.
Like someone said before Pope just stated his view on violence. The Holy war is a big blood bath.
What happen to freedom of speed!? The pope was just quting from the book from hundreds of years ago. Muslims is way too overreactting.
Fethullah Gulen, Prominent Muslim scholar from Turkey, has issued the following written statement on the Pope’s recent comments on Islam in his speech at the University of Regensburg.
Gulen called the Pope’s language most unfortunate, at a time when tolerance and understanding should be preached by men of religion.
The following is the full text of Gulen’s statement:
Pope Benedict XVI impertinent statements cannot be found anywhere among the messages of prophets dating from the first human Adam to Muhammad (PBUH) and in the words of saints of Islam who to date have come and gone. As for the differences, disputes and altercations between and among the great Abrahamic faiths have never stemmed from differences in religions, that is God’s original messages to prophets, but rather derogation of the religious values and tenets of religion with time by those who used religion as a tool to further their personal ambitions and advance their self-interests, along with hatred and anger in their hearts for others.
Those who approach Islam from political ideology, sometimes influenced by prejudice and sometimes by the action of ill-intentioned few, have not been able to free themselves form the ingrained image in their minds of Islam as religion of violence and hatred. Reducing Islam to a system of violence and barbarism stems from the very same roots of that ignorance and that bias. It is most unfortunate to see the leader of over a billion Catholic faithful to make such unfounded statements about God’s religion that might lead to serious provocations and moral outrage.
The message of Islam is one melodic message of peace, a music of social congruence, and breath of tolerance and dialogue. Incivility, rudeness, and roughness, hatred, and enmity are the nausea of those who view it with ignorance and prejudice. In a heart where Islam has settled in, there is nothing but love and concern, and tolerance for the living that stem directly from the love of God.
On the other hand, our world today, exhausted from centuries of battles, is once again showing signs of becoming a stage for new conflicts, in the face of insatiable appetite of humanity for material wealth. At a time when the responsible thing to do would have been to call for tolerance and understanding, his holiness’ reckless statements are most unfortunate and damaging. It is for such statements, its past actions, and for its role in crusades that the Vatican has felt the necessity to apologize in recent past. But, most unfortunately Pope XVI Benedict’s speech at Regensburg University that appeared to borrow a page from Byzantine Emperor Michael Paleologos’
time, is not at all in accord with the position that should be of a pontiff’s in today’s world.
My sincere hope is that this recent behavior of the Pope does not open the flood gates to a new wave of turbulences in the world, for his holiness has not only derogated the great religion of Islam but has also made ugly remarks on the beloved prophet of Islam, flagrantly offending the whole Muslim world.
Uttering of such words by the leader of a Catholic world of over a billion people may only give encouragement to those radical groups with the crusader mentality to cause an upheaval in the world.
I sincerely hope that the Muslims, expecting at least an apology from the pope—which is their most natural right—would react to this unfortunate event in a civilized manner, most becoming of the principles of Islam taught by the prophet of peace and mercy, so that we may avoid the likes of the cartoon crises of not so distant past.
This episode of the Pope’s talk once again reminds us that today we need tolerance and understanding more than ever. What’s more important is that in a global world we put aside our differences in ideology, culture, religion, and politics and try to live within the exceptional principles-- that are in accord with the human nature-- brought by God’s messenger for the good of humanity.
The new pope is very intolerant. He is very conservative and closed to any new idea.
yeah, that darn pope is so old-fashioned he thinks that killing people or threatening to kill them if they don't become muslim is wrong
unlike those new-age tolerant muslims who that think these things should be punishable by death:
- saying Islam isn't so good
- drawing a picture of Mohammed
- being raped
- converting from Islam to anything else
well, it was surprisingly unwise and naive of the Pope to not realise the furor that this would cause. That said, considering his clearly honest and regretful responses, I think it should be a closed case. However, as is clear, today that's not so easy
but Islam already insulted Christian long long time ago since Quran is created.
I mean story like:
about Jesus is Prophet instead God or Jews is cursed.
Islam talk/teach about Jesus just prophet all the time in fact it also an insulted "word" for Christian.
Don't you think, Islam said Jesus only a prophet not God while Christian believe Jesus is God Himself, it just the same level as somebody painting Mohammed picture if it consider insulted.
your Book may said so, but Christians just never consider this as insulted.
what do Islam react if any book saying "Mohammad is not a prophet of God" just like Quran talking about Jesus is not a God?
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this don't evidence any 'peace' religion for Muslim,
since Hindu and Buddha were the first inside Indo and can torelance the entering of Muslim that's the evidence of peace Religion to Hindu or Buddha.
is it allowed to spread the Christ, Buddha or Hindu in Irak, Iran, or Arab or any other Islam State this day? An opinion formed before knowledge will find the knowledge it needs. You would think that the Pope had spent his whole speech attacking Islam. The Pope is the Pope. We didn’t expect him to praise Islam.
Our love and respect for Jesus is due to his being our prophet, not “their son-god.” The demand for an apology was fair, but fair demands should be made within a framework of just principles.
A speech explaining how compatible Christianity is with reason was prepared for the Pope to present at the university where he taught for years. While reading the speech text, the Pope must have realized that references to Islam exceeded their purpose because he deviated from the text. For example, even though it wasn’t in the original text, he called the words of Byzantine Emperor Manuel Paleologus II “heavy expressions” while he was talking. Also in the text there were sentences regarding Ibn Hazm by Adel Theodor Khoury, who quoted from Paleologus’ words. Here the Pope made his own interpretation and criticized Ibn Hazm and some Christian theologians for seeing God free from the limits of the mind.
It is normal for these sentences to make Muslims uncomfortable, and a demand for an apology was fair. However, the part of the speech not referring to Islam is likely to initiate a lot more serious debate in the Christian world. Perhaps for the first time in the history of Christianity, a pope praised Greek reason this much. He said that today’s Christianity is standing not in the way that Jesus preached it, but mixed with Greek philosophy that it met in Alexandria and that this produced the “ideal Christianity.” For a religion that has always stood on dogma throughout history, the highest spiritual leader’s devastating dogma, his identifying the limits of God’s will with the limits of man’s mind, and his elevating Greek rationality above revelation (softening it with “the good parts”) are not the kinds of things that traditional Christian theology can bear.
Turning again to the lines regarding Islam, let’s underline the parts that the media exaggerated. First, let’s note that the Pope’s quotation from Adel Theodor Khoury’s book is similar to Bektasi’s taking the “don’t pray” verse as evidence and then saying “Have I memorized the Quran” in regard to the rest of the verse. In this respect, Khoury, who is the most successful translator of the Quran’s meaning into German and who gives importance to Islam-Christianity dialogue, was very upset and should be the first to deserve an apology.
The Pope’s referring to an apologetic text from the 14th century on Christianity’s internal theological debate regarding the issue of God and rationality opens the door to debate on his academic consistency. Of course, he is aware of this and attributes the lines implying that Manuel II has convinced his Muslim counterpart to the fact that the book was written by Manuel II. Still, it is an unforgivable mistake for the Pope’s taking an Orientalist position that the verse, “there’s no compulsion in religion,” came during the Meccan period when the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was weak and didn’t have many followers and that his attitude changed as soon as he grew stronger.
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One question is whether the Pope insulted the muslims/Islam. The other question I have is with thousands of quotes from apostles, scholars, popes, bishops, and religious texts to select from, why would the Pope select something that could be perceived to show Islam in a bad light and fan the fires between Christianity and Islam? Why not talk about something else instead?
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| Quote: | ALTOETTING, Germany (AP) -- Pope Benedict XVI said Tuesday that Islamic holy war was against God's nature and invited Muslims to join in a peaceful cultural dialogue.
In a speech at Regensburg University, Benedict made an unusual reference to jihad, or holy war -- a concept used by today's Islamic extremists to justify suicide bombings and other attacks.
Benedict's address was about faith and reason, and how they cannot be separated and are essential for "that genuine dialogue of cultures and religions so urgently needed today."
Citing historic Christian commentary on holy war and forced conversion, the 79-year-old pontiff quoted from a 14th-century Byzantine emperor, Manuel II Paleologos.
"The emperor comes to speak about the issue of jihad, holy war," the pope said. "He said, I quote, 'Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.' " |
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Did you actually READ the speach? And understand it? 
I think POPE is making down his respectfull position. He is in the highest respectfull postion of catholic community. No POPE ever before, in my knowledge, does this things. To tell, What mohammad (pbuh) bring to people, doesn't require to quote from another people. If he really judge this, just get learn Islam and he will get his answer.
and the best way to get to know Islam is to read this book
http://www.amazon.com/Sword-Prophet-History-Theology-Impact/dp/1928653111
it explains quite accurately the story of Mohammed, and why Islam is so full of crap
I especially love the part about the Satanic Verses... those would be the parts of the Quran where Mohammed preached that muslims and 'people of the book' (ie, christians and jews) should all form an alliance, as God/Allah wishes.. but when the 'people of the book' rejected Mohammed for being a false prophet, Mohammed had to retract part of the Quran.. but how do you do that since it was actually Allah's very own preaching? oh, then you claim that the inconvenient stuff that made Mohammed look like a complete dumbass was actually dictated to him by Satan.. thus the Satanic Verses... seriously, I'm not making this stuff up! LOL
so Mohammed actually says (not in these exact words, but close enough) "listen to everything I say because it's what God Himself says... unless I tell you that it's actually Satan telling me that.. in which case ignore it... but I'll let you know after the fact which is which.. trust me!"
have you ever noticed that Islam prefers to keep it's followers totally ignorant? for example, the Quran should never be translated into non-arabic languages.. and one part of the Quran should never be compared to other parts.. that might cause the reader to notice how frequently it contradicts itself So.....let me see if I have this right:
The Pope essentially said that Muslims are violent......Muslims respond with violence......yep, they really taught him a lesson.
Regarding the reaction to the Pope's speech by the Muslim community, I have to say that burning Churches and effigies of the Pope is totally unacceptable.
While the Pope quoted a historical source that may seem offensive to some, he was actually trying to get people to overlook their differences and make peace with each other.
No Christian has objected to terrorist attacks or offences by Muslims by burning Mosques, the Quran or effigies of any Muslim leader. If people want to live together in peace, then they need to offer each other the same level of respect and consideration.
The Bible is *banned* in some Muslim countries, yet the Quran is not banned in any Christian country. Muslims living in Christian countries enjoy freedom of religion and freedom of speech, even though on many occasions this has been used to indulge in hate speech and anti-western tirades.
It's high time people started acting reasonably and resorting to dialogue rather than violence as a means to resolve disputes.
The muslim world needs to calm down... The pope was clearly quoting a text and it was not even a view that he would call his own.
The muslim world needs to focus on itself right now. Not sure if they have noticed but all the terrorist nut jobs in the work happen to be muslim. I know there are muslims that don't believe in this radical islamic view that the terrorist do but it will never stop until the Muslim world collectively comes together and stops their own people.
The pope was only qouting a text from a emperor, it was not written by himself. Of Course i will not say that the pope is a complete angel.
If you want to speak about different culture than you must reconsider your text, so that you can't say something wrong what should lead in actions against someone.
I will hope that islam will understand that it was not the choice of the pope to offend the islam.
in this entire matter i am not choosing someones point until all parties are coming to an agreement.
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So.....let me see if I have this right:
The Pope essentially said that Muslims are violent......Muslims respond with violence......yep, they really taught him a lesson. |
Exactly.
Even, though I wouldn't go so far as to say that the pope said muslims are violent. All he said was that jihad is not the right way to spread one's religion.
As for insults, I think that they're being a little unfair here: the pope didn't burn effigies of them.I can't believe it ever time someone has an opinion or a something to say about Islam the whole Muslim world (Community) goes crazy. To every action (Pope’s Quotes) there is a reaction.(Muslims Using This as an excuse to cause violence and vandalism.)
I would like to know if anyone can get an example of a Muslim saying something bad and seeing the reaction of Christians.
I'm not against Islam or Muslims but this reaction is a form of paranoia from the Western World.
not just paranoia when the extremist muslims riot and burn / pillage anything related to the cause.
I wonder if anyone realizes that the Pope was quoting a 14th century (?) Pope. What he said is not completely unjustified - I mean, look at the outbreak of violence over a freaking comic strip this past summer.
If I were to "Islam is stupid" (which I am not stating here), I wonder if they'll make mannequins of me and burn them. I wonder if they will start burning down buildings and killing people.
Hrm. People wonder why Islam has a bad reputation. Let us ponder for a moment...
I don't think that the pope was trying to start any trouble. He may have appeared to overstate his position, and it is true that the chuch has done things in the past that are counterproductive to Christianity, but he did state what he believes to be the truth; the Jihad is wrong. Christianity has left the Dark Ages, why won't the whole of Muslims? Or at least a good deal of them abroad? I don't know.
When the pope’s improper remarks about Islam and Prophet Mohammed are considered separately from their actual framework, they can be regarded as ordinary and even stale rhetorics of a pious Christian.
However, Pope Benedict XVII is the spiritual leader of the Catholic world and head of state of the Vatican, which means we should take him seriously.
Someone who has spent so many years in the spiritual hierarchy of the Vatican must have known in the first place that things related to the faiths are not open for discussion. As a matter of fact, right after this declaration, some Muslims launched a counter-attack saying, “Explain this your senseless concept of Trinity.”
Two wrongs do not make a right. It is not right and in fact futile to polemicize over the character of religions. “True belief” can only be described within the framework of a religion; there is no such thing as inter-religious belief: “Your religion to yourself and my own religion to myself!” That’s all.
His Excellency Pope Benedict openly expressed an issue he could have discussed in private and thus made mistakes with regards to courtesy and diplomacy. Hence with this style, he has put himself in a no-win position. Then why has he done this? That is where the problem lies. Everybody agrees that the pope spoke with a subconscious instinct peculiar to pious Christians and displayed a sort of enmity. The pope also joined the campaign of defaming Islam in the West and this stirred up the traditional defensive reflexes of the Muslim world.
This is a statement that cannot be explained away; it is unnecessary and dangerous!
It is possible to make such accusations against all religions by referring to sacred texts and the history of religions. This is what the whole Muslim world is trying to do at the moment. They have already started to turn the Crusades, the inquisition scandals and examples Christian atrocities in the past into material for a counter-attack. Responses to accusations such as “You carried out mass murder against us,” could cause tensions worldwide and result in actions we would never like to encounter.
Muslims think the pope intentionally pushed the button and are trying to guess which military, economic and diplomatic coup will follow this unpleasant accusation. They are very right because Western public opinion, led by the U.S., regards Muslims as public enemy number one. In the past it was the Nazis and the communists. The inconsiderate words of the pope have been interpreted as the participation of the Vatican, we had thought was a place for moderation (the late Pope John Paul was really a moderate person), in this campaign and has greatly disturbed Muslims.
What is worse, it has damaged the puny yet benevolent efforts of dialogue between Muslims and Christians. What was expected from this dialogue was not the highest level of sympathy between the parties; the aim was to prevent enmity, at least.
This is the case with all good things; you build something with all difficulties and patience but sometimes a “reactionary” can destroy it with just a few words.
After this discussion which has no value in theological terms, let’s see whether or not the social democrats and secular circles in the West will declare the pope a staunch fundamentalist and whether this Medieval reactionary nest (the Vatican) should be completely razed to the ground for still harboring reactionaries.
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| The new pope is very intolerant. He is very conservative and closed to any new idea. |
.. humm .. really ?? .. it seems not ... if he were conservative, then he would never say the quote in a public speech. Does this type of thing did before by any POPE ??? | palavra wrote: |
| After this discussion which has no value in theological terms, let’s see whether or not the social democrats and secular circles in the West will declare the pope a staunch fundamentalist and whether this Medieval reactionary nest (the Vatican) should be completely razed to the ground for still harboring reactionaries. |
you mean the way the muslims are fundamentalist reactionaries with violent tendencies, and how the radical Islam organization should be razed to the ground for harboring individuals who insist the Pope (or anyone else who disagrees with Islam) should convert to their religion or be killed, as it currently happening
in case you haven't noticed, it's the muslims who are the problem.. 99.9% of all terrorism in the last 30 years has been committed by muslims.. they have abandoned any pretense of trying to coexist with non-muslims and resort to violence with any excuse.. but, as the Pope pointed out, this has been going on since the inception of Islam, as dictated by MohammedWho is the problem? You mean it's not the people who are violently protesting being called violent? 
if what he said wasnt really meant serious for the fact that it was quoted from the past, however... still it should not be included in his speech. thats what i think.
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| if what he said wasnt really meant serious for the fact that it was quoted from the past, however... still it should not be included in his speech. thats what i think. |
Just because it was a quote doesn't mean it wasn't serious. I see no reason NOT to include it in his speach. Especially if it's accurate. And considering they've known the same thing centuries ago that we are seeing still today, it seems very VERY relevant. | JoeFriday wrote: |
in case you haven't noticed, it's the muslims who are the problem.. 99.9% of all terrorism in the last 30 years has been committed by muslims.. |
very fair number
but i think it should be 99.999999999999999999%
it is your PREJUDICEI would like to continue to stress the following points:
1) The Pope quoted a 14th century emperor. I have not read the entire speech to know the context of the quote.
2) The Pope said he is sorry it caused so much of a fuss.
3) The Pope also said that the quote wasn't necessarily his own views.
Nontheless, they (the protesting Muslims) continue to burn down manequins of the Pope. I love the religion of peace... | Soulfire wrote: |
I would like to continue to stress the following points:
1) The Pope quoted a 14th century emperor. I have not read the entire speech to know the context of the quote.
2) The Pope said he is sorry it caused so much of a fuss.
3) The Pope also said that the quote wasn't necessarily his own views.
Nontheless, they (the protesting Muslims) continue to burn down manequins of the Pope. I love the religion of peace... |
these excuses may be O.K for primary students.
but not for a man who is spiritual leader of millions.
and
there are millions of muslims also
some of them (100-200 maybe 1000) can burn manequins
this doesn't mean all of them care about what pope said.
in my language we have a saying
"it urur , kervan yurur"
means
"do not care if a dog barks , care your own business"new pope need to be famous so he can't keep quite himself i am really wonder when he ask sorry for wat he did this mean he is not good leader and he dont know what he is doing shame of him
When can there be world peace when everyone, every institution spreads violence in the name of peace? Muslims are supposed to be the followers of the words of Allah through the prophet Mohammed who preaches peace. But supposed followers start riots, throw firebombs, arson when their God is insulted. Hey, its our God too you idiots, the Creator created everyone, not just the middle eastern people. How ridiculous can some people get? I say they should stop tainting their religion. If they want to behave in a criminal manner please do so and face the consequences, but not drag in Islam. And Pope benedict knows how sensitive the situation is now, and he knows how treacherous and evil some muslim impersonators are and yet he offers them the pretext to engage in crime- god bless that man's wisdom and his fitness as His Holiness.
i belive now pope is createing problem breaking the peace between the muslim and christian he cant able to see people live in peace i think he dont like it
My god, have yn of you people have heard of quite boxes, your breaking tons of rules -.-
Anyways, ye, it was really unecissary for him to say so, stupied as well. But after all, his quite old, you goto admit...
I do not think the pope intended to insult the muslim people. They take every thing way to serious and blow everything out of proportion. Take for example the home secritarys speech in a mosque( in england) there was a muslim person there shouting all kind of abuse at him after a stupid comment they made. If they just got a sense of humor there would be no terrorism
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| I do not think the pope intended to insult the muslim people. They take every thing way to serious and blow everything out of proportion. Take for example the home secritarys speech in a mosque( in england) there was a muslim person there shouting all kind of abuse at him after a stupid comment they made. If they just got a sense of humor there would be no terrorism |
@ nathanuk
first you under stand what is terrorism . terrorism is different islam is different .terrorism is present in every religion ,why muslim got ngry over pope? he installed our god father do you think you will keep quit if any one install your god father ? if your quite your not man 
muslim never install any one religion few months ago danish people install our god father with stupid cartoon and now pope these make more teninsion betwwen the terror when evey one is quite if any problem rise pope will be resposible for thisThe Pope was in no way insulting the muslim community. This is yet another way of the fundementalist exploting the situation to their aims for world domination using it as propaganda to try and show even the Pope is against them....absolute rubbish
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'Pope protesters' hijack airliner
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A Turkish airliner flying from Tirana to Istanbul has been hijacked and flown to Brindisi in southern Italy in an apparent protest against the Pope. |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5403976.stm
[Hijacker]We are NOT violent. The Pope is a liar. However, we are hijacking this plane to prove our non-violent ways. Everyone STFU or i'll blow this bird out of the sky.[/hijacker]Actually, S3ndK3ys, the hijackers are requesting assylum in Italy and it is unclear, yet, if it has anything to do with the pope or violence (as your own link says). Why don't you wait to find out what actually happened?
As it turns out, S3ndK3ys, the hijacker was a Christian...
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| As it turns out, S3ndK3ys, the hijacker was a Christian... |
He sure was. I sit corrected.when was the last time a muslim said anything wrong a christian.. i dunno why, but that was really very unsusual from pope.. ah this world is moving towards an end, better pack your bags.. LOL.. no seriously, what gives u all so much hatred for each other? ah let live and live yourself, these stupid people dont want to live peacefully.. atleast we should try to follow the basics
He could have insulted muslims by the last line but as someone else mentioned, he is just saying that war is bad and that you shouldn't do it. Also, you have to make some allowances because the pope is head of catholics so he has to be one sided to christianity.
I think that raising ado about all this is big misundestranding.
the Pope Benedict XVI is (as far as we can tell from what he's said/written) a subtle intelectualist and theologist who has tendencies to theoretize. and who assumes that people who listen to him are intellectuals and subtle theoretics, like he is.
what he said was an invitation for discussion. and in real discussion there is always place for argument and confrontation. and truth in the first place.
unfortunately, the muslim world reaction proved him wrong...
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I think that raising ado about all this is big misundestranding.
the Pope Benedict XVI is (as far as we can tell from what he's said/written) a subtle intelectualist and theologist who has tendencies to theoretize. and who assumes that people who listen to him are intellectuals and subtle theoretics, like he is.
what he said was an invitation for discussion. and in real discussion there is always place for argument and confrontation. and truth in the first place.
unfortunately, the muslim world reaction proved him wrong... |
i think
a real catholic can not be an intellectual
and
pope din't make an invitation for discussion
he only did a quote to emperor Manual II Paleologus who was an Orthodox Christian and for this emperor
there was no difference hate of islam and hate of catholicism
and most probably
pope and emperor manual couldn't be agree in another subject
except hate of islam
