there have been alot of debates regarding if the lunar voyages to the moon by the apollo missions were genuine...there have been documentations that the pictures taken from the moon's surface were edited...the government and nasa were firm on the other side.
please post your opinions and knowledge regarding the issue...i hope this thread wasn't a previous post since i haven't read any so far. peace 
Crack pot: The moon landings where faked! you can tell by the no stars in in video of it.
Intelligent person: How many stars cam you see from brightly lit parking lot? How many stars can you see in Time Square or Veges?
Your eyes adjust to the brightest light and if theres a bright light on, your eyes will not be able to see the dim light of the stars, the same is true fro a camera.
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| there have been documentations that the pictures taken from the moon's surface were edited |
No. there hasn't. actually there was. just watched it last month even though that documentation was made years ago. we were laughing to see a crosshare not in the center of the picture. yes there were no stars in the backgound. they just probably did it to answer the billions of dollars wasted on their projects.
Oh no...not this old chestnut. I thought this had been put to bed years ago.
LISTEN - Man DID land on the moon. No question, no doubt, no room for uncertainty.
How can I be so certain ? Easy peasy.
The Apollo 11 mission had a little experiment on board which we still use.
It setup a reflecting mirror at a specific point on the surface.
Scientists still use this today - they bounce a laser-beam of it to get an accurate measurement of the distance between earth and moon.
This cannot be explained away and MUST be the result of a moon landing.
End of story.
Now can be move on ?
Chris.
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Oh no...not this old chestnut. I thought this had been put to bed years ago.
LISTEN - Man DID land on the moon. No question, no doubt, no room for uncertainty.
How can I be so certain ? Easy peasy.
The Apollo 11 mission had a little experiment on board which we still use.
It setup a reflecting mirror at a specific point on the surface.
Scientists still use this today - they bounce a laser-beam of it to get an accurate measurement of the distance between earth and moon.
This cannot be explained away and MUST be the result of a moon landing.
End of story.
Now can be move on ?
Chris. |
I agree Chris..
The laser tests are based at Jodrell Bank Cheshire..
The crosshair incidents are the result of NASA wanting better publicity shots to release to the public... | Teezgaff wrote: |
I agree Chris..
The laser tests are based at Jodrell Bank Cheshire..
The crosshair incidents are the result of NASA wanting better publicity shots to release to the public... |
Yep - I live not too far away (Frodsham) and I've actually seen the kit used to do the measurements AND spoken to the guy who actually does it...Not a doubt anywhere in my mind :-))nice replies guys... haha I remembered back then, I watched a David Letterman show and they were doing the top 10 countdown thingy...and there was a part where an astronaut shouted "yeah we didn't land on the moon, so be quiet..." 
just to save him from further arguements.
in a logical way, nasa wouldn't be doing a mars mission in the upcoming years if they weren't succesful on our moon. It's not that I think NASA are too honest and trustworthy to try a scam. I reckon in the right circumstances they would have faked the thing if they thought they could carry it off. I've just finished listening to an audio-book of Richard Feynmans ('What do you care what people think') in which he describes in detail his role on the Challenger commission of enquiry and, although he is very understated and avoids calling any names, it's obvious that NASA was at the time run by a bunch of jobsworth no-marks.
No, this particular conspiracy is so easy to refute that only someone who knows nothing about science or really really wants to believe it could possibly buy into it.
All the supposed evidence is easily refuted (even for someone with only self-taught science like myself)
It took only 30 mins to demolish the strongest case by a conspiracy theorist on the BBC boards. 38 seperate pieces of 'evidence' from the waving flag, no stars, speeded up atronauts and on and on.
The problem is the same old one....people are not sufficiently science literate in general to have a good secure grasp of what is and is not possible. It's frightening to think that the last US President who had any science background at all was probably...
well, let's see if anyone can tell me....
I agree with the late great Carl Sagan when he said that we should be running classes in schools called 'baloney survival' or 'bull*** Detection' or something similar. They would teach the students a basic set of tools for spotting pseudo-science and other baloney - Sagan's 10 step kit would be required reading.
In fact I'm going to post it again just because I think it is sooo valuable for anyone with no science background...
I'll just go and dig out his 'Demon Haunted World'
Regards
Chris
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I agree with the late great Carl Sagan when he said that we should be running classes in schools called 'baloney survival' or 'bull*** Detection' or something similar. They would teach the students a basic set of tools for spotting pseudo-science and other baloney - Sagan's 10 step kit would be required reading.
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Regards
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That would be a class well worth making mandatory. However, then the kids would start questioning all the baloney fed them by the schools, churches and parents. 
To any one who is dumb enough to actually think that the moon landing were faked.
The Soviet Union could listen in on the transmissions from the moon to the earth and if they has even suspected that it was faked, don't you think they would have blasted that all over the media in this and other country's?
Its amasing what people will beleve despite the evadence.
Yes i must say it was real aldo there are sometimes people who say that it was fake because they thought they saw the flag like it was on earth (with wind and all)
I don't think its fake. If it was a fake, this would have been disclosed by now by some one. Also There are large number of spying agencies active all over the world, Its not possible to hide the truth for such a long time
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| I don't think its fake. If it was a fake, this would have been disclosed by now by some one. Also There are large number of spying agencies active all over the world, Its not possible to hide the truth for such a long time |
Look....as I said earlier, there is no question. There is no doubt. There is no uncertainty. They landed on the moon. The evidence of the reflector is enough on its own to declare the thing proved and done with. Anyone can easily check for themselves should they wish.
Here's a link to the details of the experiment
http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/SEhelp/ApolloLaser.html
or here
http://www.anthonares.net/2006/03/bouncing-laser-beams-off-of-the-moon.html
The kit works to this day and is incontravertible proof of the landing. Nothing else is needed. it couldn't have been sent up robotically because alignment is critical. It can't be a natural phenomenon because its precise coords were specified and recorded in advance. That leaves a man actually putting it on the moon's surface. If anyone can explain another way this could be done then I might listen to their conspiracy theory. Until then there is no need.
Regards
ChrisYes I have heard that there were some strange shadows on the pictures from the moon, but when I see it by myself, I must admit that it was real. I am pretty sure it was all true:)
People try to find conspiracies everywhere don't they?
Ooh! Look at me! I found a conspiracy. The government did this, the terrorists did that, blah blah blah. I want attention!
I would say that the facts are there - we landed on the moon. Facts leave no room for possibilities, so I don't consider this very plausible.
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People try to find conspiracies everywhere don't they?
Ooh! Look at me! I found a conspiracy. The government did this, the terrorists did that, blah blah blah. I want attention!
I would say that the facts are there - we landed on the moon. Facts leave no room for possibilities, so I don't consider this very plausible. |
So very true. Some people just choose to see conspiracy's every were. And it seem the crazier the conspiracy's are the the stronger the people who believe in those conspiracy's they to prove them. | The Conspirator wrote: |
| Soulfire wrote: | People try to find conspiracies everywhere don't they?
Ooh! Look at me! I found a conspiracy. The government did this, the terrorists did that, blah blah blah. I want attention!
I would say that the facts are there - we landed on the moon. Facts leave no room for possibilities, so I don't consider this very plausible. |
So very true. Some people just choose to see conspiracy's every were. And it seem the crazier the conspiracy's are the the stronger the people who believe in those conspiracy's they to prove them. |
Heh, I just noticed the irony.. er... some other literary device. Anyways, here we are talking about conspiracies and your display name is "The Conspirator."It did happen ... The moon landings ... Neil Armstrong heard the Adhzan on the moon ...
Really true, basically I think it's a fact. however, there is a lot of report claim that it is unreal.
I used to work at Kennedy Space Center.
They have a Saturn 5 rocket there on display, lying on its side. All one needs to do is walk down the length of it. This is an exact replica of the thing that they blasted into space in front of thousands of witnesses. If they could launch this monster into space, that's ninety percent of the problem licked right there.
Then factor in the thousands of people who worked on the lander, and who worked in mission control and at support stations around the world as the landing was happening.
Believe me, it would have taken ten times the effort to fake the landing than to actually do the thing (MULTIPLE TIMES, I might add).
People who claim it was a hoax aren't just ignorant, they're insulting.
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| Really true, basically I think it's a fact. however, there is a lot of report claim that it is unreal. |
Don't mistake a lot of hits on the web for a lot serious questioning. You will find that crackpot ideas are commonplace on the web because there is no filtering mechanism to weed them out. The best advice always is to
a) First find a site that is reputable and expert in the field. In this case NASA would be a good starting point.
b) Remember that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
c) Be very wary of any site which seems to be setup purely to 'investigate' the subject in question. Such sites are often very unreliable.
d) Use common sense where applicable. In this case one could weigh up a few pros and cons, such as ;
i) Risk vs probability of discovery
ii) Number of participants and consequences for any conspiracy
Finally, one should use the 'Bulls**t detection kit outlined by Carl Sagan. I'll post the steps in a separate thread.
Regards
ChrisHA! The moon landing fake??? Sure thing, and the DaVinci code is real!!! hahahaha hello
i'm a metorite collector and i think that man were trully on moon.
Some rocks were put by astronautes and there analysis that shown that this is the same components that lunar meteorites.
Peronally i beleive in it. It is going to be normal travel as technology grows.
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| Peronally i beleive in it. It is going to be normal travel as technology grows. |
Not likely. We need a complete change of technology to make space-flight widespread. The idea of the space elevator is still the best I have seen (basically you anchor very strong cable in orbit around the earth and then drop the other end down and anchor it somewhere on the equator. You can then travel to orbit with comparatively no risk and the cost would be pennies (the 'elevators' would be arranged so that reaction breaking on the way down put electricity back into the system for the upcoming elevator).
The showstopper for this idea was the cable strength needed. Steel is nowhere near strong enough. I read a few years ago about a project to 'engineer' Carbon60 (Buckminster Fullerine - or Buckyballs) into a mono-filament and then spin cables from the threads. That would, theoretically I understand, be strong enough to do the job.
As long as rockets are used for the hop into orbit it will not be a practical mass transport system because of both cost and risk.
Regards
ChrisI don't think anyone has replied to the concern regarding the absence of stars from the NASA lunar landing photography. The reason is very straight forward and due to the optics of any camera system:
If you took a photograph of a subject at night, with a clear sky of stars, with the subject being the one in focus the stars and sky are not at all: hence, you have no stars. Don't blame the photographer for a fundamental consequence of his tools.
YEH? I think it is as true as it has happened. It is happened. Why should we doublte about it ?
Cause there are crazes who say that it didn't and if people don;t dispute it using the facts people might listen to them.
One thing is qiute clear. There is no atmosphere on the moon and hence no wind. However, in some pictures the flag is waving in the wind:
http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/IMAGES/SMALL/GPN-2000-001131.jpg
There is one documentary, "A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Moon" handling these questions.
http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/IMAGES/SMALL/GPN-2000-001209.jpg - really gale force wind speeds up there?
What do you think?
Been done and explained many times. Basically the flag is moving because of the undamped movement of the flag-pole. If you look carefully you can tell this - the flag does not behave as if in a wind.
Chris They lander okay Nasa wanted to beat the russions to the moon, that would prove Americas "superioraty" and does this mean all the moon landing after the 1969 one were fake too 
Man landing on moon........ I think the whole thing might have just been fake. There have been a number of proofs for it. This whole moon voyage story was nothing but an act of USA to show its superiority over Russia in the space race during the cold war.
The whole thing was just filmed in a place of USA wheretill date nobody is allowed to go. Though it is said that there is no air in moon, the flag seemed to be fluttering, we could see no stars in video of the moon voyage and the shadows were only in 1 dimension. Along with this, there were number of other proofs.
It is said that NASA has been trying desperately to keep this matter away from public. But truth is truth and if the whole thing is fake, then it won't remain hidden for long.
But still, it is hard to believe and take into account that Neil Armstrong actually didn't make a giant leap for mankind but just faked it.
Some one actually said its was faked? Did you real any of the posts in this topic?
1. There is a reflector on the moon, placed there by the people who went to the moon.
2. If the moon landing was fake, Russia would have blasted it every where, Russia could pick up the signals coming from the people that landed on the moon.
3. The flag pole was moving, the fag wasn't flapping in the breeze. Theres no air on the moon so any vibration caused by the placing of the flag would not quickly be stopped the wind resistance.
4. Theres no stars for the same reason you can't see stars in a brightly lit parking lot, except the bight light was the sun.
5. The shadows are not even cause the ground is not even, not to mention the light being reflected off the earth.
oops excuse my double post
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It is hard to say whats is true.
There is proof that some of the photographs taken on the moon are faked, there are technical problems such as the large ammount of radiation that is coming from space that would be recieved by anybody going as far out to space as the moon.
Also the surface temperature of the moon ranges from -233.15c at night to 122.85c during the day, another thing is that on the video of the flag going up - it blows in the wind... there is no wind on the moon... and finally why has nobody been back to the moon in all these years or even attempted to build a base there? (I was once told there was aliens there that told humans never to return again ).
But then again if the Americans never got up there then why did they stop trying, why didn't the russians keep going either... even if it was all faked then why would they not still want to see what was there?
While it remains that there is no 100% guaranteed proof that anybody landed there - in the end it is upto you what you believe. | generalgazz wrote: |
It is hard to say whats is true.
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No, it's not, really.
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The 'proof' of faked photos lies mainly with two phenomena.
1) Lack of stars
2) Overstamping on the photo proof prints.
These have been dealt with numerous times and are easily explicable. Likewise the second:
http://www.lunaranomalies.com/fake-moon.htm
The radiation hazzard :
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And ? Your point ?
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another thing is that on the video of the flag going up - it blows in the wind... there is no wind on the moon
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dealt with earlier in this thread.
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... and finally why has nobody been back to the moon in all these years or even attempted to build a base there? (I was once told there was aliens there that told humans never to return again ).
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But then again if the Americans never got up there then why did they stop trying, why didn't the russians keep going either... even if it was all faked then why would they not still want to see what was there?
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It was always a political game.,..the game was won.
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While it remains that there is no 100% guaranteed proof that anybody landed there - in the end it is upto you what you believe. |
Or you can examine the evidence and not have to believe at all...
Chris.Still I don't beleve myself....
Does anybody know how the "first step" TV shooting took place? I don't remember exactly but wasn't the camera positioned some distance from the landing craft? Was the camera attached to a pole or something?
Don't take this as if i don't believe we actually were up there. Staging a photo shoot is quite different from staging the whole Apollo program.
Great site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_moon_landing_hoax_accusations | FunFunkyFritz wrote: |
Does anybody know how the "first step" TV shooting took place? I don't remember exactly but wasn't the camera positioned some distance from the landing craft? Was the camera attached to a pole or something?
Don't take this as if i don't believe we actually were up there. Staging a photo shoot is quite different from staging the whole Apollo program.
Great site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_moon_landing_hoax_accusations |
As far as I remember the video which is normally played with the 'one small step' speech was of Aldrin rather than Armstrong...I could be wrong....
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| Does anybody know how the "first step" TV shooting took place? I don't remember exactly but wasn't the camera positioned some distance from the landing craft? Was the camera attached to a pole or something? |
From what I remember, the camera shooting Armstrong was mounted on an adjacent leg (possibly on a boom), thus giving a side perspective. Is that what you were asking?
