How has 9/11 affected the way you see the world, the things you believe? 9/11 is such a flashpoint subject, especially for americans....
9/11: Five years on
It makes me see the evil in this world. It was an eye-opener to all of America that our complacency became our downfall. We thought that by being seperated by an ocean from the middle east, we were safe. We thought wrong.
peace be upon you mgumn.
9/11 has made me hate hypocrites. The media does not help either. Both have labelled Islam as a hate-violent religion, when in truth the very word Islam means Peace.
9/11 has made me hate hypocrites. The media does not help either. Both have labelled Islam as a hate-violent religion, when in truth the very word Islam means Peace.
9/11 has brought religion into the fore as the primary hate-engine on the planet. Whereas before it was money or power or land that drove people to want to hate each other, not it is fundamentalism that is in the driver's seat of the hate-mobile.
Fundamentalist christians hate the fundamentalist muslims, and vice versa, the muslims hate the jews, and vise versa, Therefore the jews and the christians have a uneasy truce in their joint hate of the muslims, and we have someone who says that his christian "God speaks to him" in the oval office.
The new era will see religion either rise of fall as the predominant phsycological structure on this planet. I can only hope that it falls.
Fundamentalist christians hate the fundamentalist muslims, and vice versa, the muslims hate the jews, and vise versa, Therefore the jews and the christians have a uneasy truce in their joint hate of the muslims, and we have someone who says that his christian "God speaks to him" in the oval office.
The new era will see religion either rise of fall as the predominant phsycological structure on this planet. I can only hope that it falls.
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| Fundamentalist christians hate the fundamentalist muslims, and vice versa, the muslims hate the jews, and vise versa |
All the rest of us are caught in the middle, either under the influence of the mass media or idly standing by until 2008.
As for 9/11 ... it's overglorified and has been. Sure it was a big thing in America, but look what America has done in response. How many lives were lost in comparison?
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| How has 9/11 affected the way you see the world, the things you believe? 9/11 is such a flashpoint subject, especially for americans.... |
How did it affect the way I see the world? Very little. Before 9/11, I knew there were people who hated the US enough to do terrible things. Before 9/11, I knew our government was more interested in appearing effective than actually accomplishing anything. Before 9/11, I knew that if terrorists wanted to do something heinous, there was no way to ensure that they couldn't.
It was a horrible point for our country. But I don't see things much differently because of the acts of a handful of maniacs.
firstly being the selfish ass that i am, it was a spoiler , i had to see the twin towers crash on my birthday, and now i don't celebrate it anymore.
away from the joke intended, 9/11 was just like any other terrorist act. Just that they hit the world superpower, and consequently incurred their wrath.
Unfortunately as much as we want to pin the blame on someone or some group, you have to look at it from different angles, that attack made me realise that for a group to be so extreme, they must have some valid reason.
If i could i would eradicate religion, its absurd that man fights in the name of god, when the teachings of god speak of peace and harmony. Its is ridiculous people believe in god and him being the ultimate good , yet are racist , biased and against people who aren't similar to them. It is sad that religion, supposedly a way of life because a reason for way, means for the power hungry to exert their will and control. Religion. we people would be better of without it.
away from the joke intended, 9/11 was just like any other terrorist act. Just that they hit the world superpower, and consequently incurred their wrath.
Unfortunately as much as we want to pin the blame on someone or some group, you have to look at it from different angles, that attack made me realise that for a group to be so extreme, they must have some valid reason.
If i could i would eradicate religion, its absurd that man fights in the name of god, when the teachings of god speak of peace and harmony. Its is ridiculous people believe in god and him being the ultimate good , yet are racist , biased and against people who aren't similar to them. It is sad that religion, supposedly a way of life because a reason for way, means for the power hungry to exert their will and control. Religion. we people would be better of without it.
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| Both have labelled Islam as a hate-violent religion, when in truth the very word Islam means Peace. |
Islam is responsible for it's own lable. It has that lable because the true peaceful Islamics have not done anything to make the rest of us believe anything differently. The ratio of bad to good that I hear about Islam is about 100 to 1. (I hear 100 bad things about Islam and 1 good thing). It's not the media. If the peaceful Islamics would just band together and speak out AND ACT OUT against the radical (terrorists) Islamics who are using the name of Islam to promote and justify their barbaric actions and beliefs, then the media would see that and report it. Once it gets reported, more will follow along, and more will get reported. All you have to do is get the majority of Islamics to protest the murder of innocents, protest the will to spread Islam via violence, protest the midevil mentality which has plagued your 'religion' so viciously into what it is today.
You must take it back, or the impression of Islam will remain soiled for eternity.
BTW, time is almost up, too. Before long, it will be too late to save the name.
If you don't believe me, here is the Dictionary.com lookup for Islam
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| 1. the religious faith of Muslims, based on the words and religious system founded by the prophet Muhammad and taught by the Koran, the basic principle of which is absolute submission to a unique and personal god, Allah.
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Stop me if you've heard this, but IMNSHO, absolute submission does not sound like something I would ever submit to.
To Anyone.
Ever.
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Islam is responsible for it's own lable. It has that lable because the true peaceful Islamics have not done anything to make the rest of us believe anything differently. |
Very wrong.
When 9/11 happened, people denounced it in the mosques. Currently whenever i go onto an arabic channel, there's always an advert telling you to not to sucide bomb. It's an effective one.
People are trying to stop the hypocrites kill. But then again, i don't know where osma bin laden is hiding out.
It's the media that's hushing us up, saying we do not do anything. Yet we do.
Also Islam is not Muslims. Anything Muslims do, is bad on the Muslims. It does not affect Islam. This is because Islam is a religion with Laws. While Muslims are the followers. Nowhere in the Qur'an does it tell you to kill, sucide bomb, or whatever. Infact i posted three verses which are against this in another post of mine. You are never allowed to kill except in self-defence or war with Islam.
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The ratio of bad to good that I hear about Islam is about 100 to 1. (I hear 100 bad things about Islam and 1 good thing). |
Obviously you can't use that as a supporting view. Especially if you live in america, where the words 'Muslim' and 'terriost' go in the same sentence.
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If the peaceful Islamics would just band together and speak out AND ACT OUT against the radical (terrorists) Islamics who are using the name of Islam to promote and justify their barbaric actions and beliefs, then the media would see that and report it. Once it gets reported, more will follow along, and more will get reported. All you have to do is get the majority of Islamics to protest the murder of innocents, protest the will to spread Islam via violence, protest the midevil mentality which has plagued your 'religion' so viciously into what it is today. |
We already do do this. We already do condem hypocrites, such as zurqawi. The media is a load of rubbish. Don't trust it.
Besides, i've never seen a Muslim website on the internet supporting the hypocrites. I recommend to you Islamonline.net and so on.
Islam is one of the fastest growing religions in the world. It's growing faster than the world population. Obviously, if the hypocrites were making a big taint as you are saying, then Islam would not be growing fast at all.
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You must take it back, or the impression of Islam will remain soiled for eternity. |
take what back?
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BTW, time is almost up, too. Before long, it will be too late to save the name. If you don't believe me, here is the Dictionary.com lookup for Islam
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Absoulete submission and surrender to Allah. Yes. You have to love Him with all your soul. Worship Him with all your soul. Nothing to do with violence.
By the way, Allah is YHWH. So He's not really personal. Allah is found in the Jewish, Christian, Sikh, possibly hindu, and other scriptures. For example in Jewish scriptures, Allah is Elohim.
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Stop me if you've heard this, but IMNSHO, absolute submission does not sound like something I would ever submit to. To Anyone. Ever. |
Submission to God. The Bible says it too by the way. Christians say it.
Surrendering yourself to God is beautiful. It is a personal, spiritual thing to do with your body and soul. Not to do with anything else.
May God bless you.
9/11 was one of the worst things to happen to the world along with numerous such attacks in the world which goes unnoticed. The world has become a place of battle between the ego. From the posts above i could smell that people are pointing to islam for that matter. I disagree with this. Religion has got nothing to with it and when people quote the phrases, i think it is wrong.
The demented followers of the religion are to blame. They have such huge ego and they want people to think that what they believe in is the correct and best one. IF they were true followers, then they would never act violent as no religion preaches violence.
It is all the stupid people, who disguise they ego as faith and commit the greatest of sins in the name of their belief.
The demented followers of the religion are to blame. They have such huge ego and they want people to think that what they believe in is the correct and best one. IF they were true followers, then they would never act violent as no religion preaches violence.
It is all the stupid people, who disguise they ego as faith and commit the greatest of sins in the name of their belief.
it's five years already....
the world's seems not peacer than five years ago...
peace... no war... help the victims of war...
stop all wars now...
the world's seems not peacer than five years ago...
peace... no war... help the victims of war...
stop all wars now...
from what it seems..this war on terror is smth that will nver end. its more than just humanitarian issues that come into light regarding the us FOREVER led on going campaign. because what the us really want to see is not a end in the terror reign, but to always exercise their military prowess and send a warning to all the arab nations in the middle east tt if they screw ard wif us, they're gonna get it..as far as bush is in power...i srsly doubt this war will ever end..sadly ):
9/11, obviously, was a terrorist act. Terrorist acts happen all around the world, why would this certain event change the way I see the world? I dont know, and it doesn't. One of the reasons things like this happen is misunderstanding. People don't understand why others do things differently, and so a lot of the time some of us want things done our way, which is another reason. Then people get pissed off at the others, and the one says "I'm only trying to help" then the other says "No, you're insulting OUR ways." When one refuses to listen then the other takes action, and so on. It's one way to look at it.
I read in this topic and heard from several other places that Middle East terrorists do their actions on the name of Allah. Some people see that as a muslim act and blame them and their beliefs for the cause--I don't think it does. No where in the Quran does it say that killing is ok, instead it strictly forbids it. Now, the same is stated in the Bible. If a christian kills someone or does something of the sort and does it in the name of God, does that make it a christian act??? Most of you will say NO, and you're right, it doesn't. Just because a muslin did something in the name of Allah, it doesn't make it a Muslim act. If the Bible or the Quran doesn't say it then it's not. It makes complete sense. Unfortunately, there ARE some people that even after they read this, will refuse to accept it. And in my opinion, that is just ignorant. Anyway, just thought this wouldn't be a bad place to say this.
I read in this topic and heard from several other places that Middle East terrorists do their actions on the name of Allah. Some people see that as a muslim act and blame them and their beliefs for the cause--I don't think it does. No where in the Quran does it say that killing is ok, instead it strictly forbids it. Now, the same is stated in the Bible. If a christian kills someone or does something of the sort and does it in the name of God, does that make it a christian act??? Most of you will say NO, and you're right, it doesn't. Just because a muslin did something in the name of Allah, it doesn't make it a Muslim act. If the Bible or the Quran doesn't say it then it's not. It makes complete sense. Unfortunately, there ARE some people that even after they read this, will refuse to accept it. And in my opinion, that is just ignorant. Anyway, just thought this wouldn't be a bad place to say this.
When I heard about 9/11 I thought they were joking around with me, but then it was on the news. And I had (and still do) famly up there.
And for some reason my school didn't want us to see the video of the attack. Which ticked everyone off.
But to get to the point, I see the real side of the World - the hatred. Hopefully we will all get along. Someday.
And for some reason my school didn't want us to see the video of the attack. Which ticked everyone off.
But to get to the point, I see the real side of the World - the hatred. Hopefully we will all get along. Someday.
I watched few documentary movies about 9/11 and there were some explaintations about that event. I recognize that 9/11 is a big lie.
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| I watched few documentary movies about 9/11 and there were some explaintations about that event. I recognize that 9/11 is a big lie. |
yeah? so could u tell me more about this? i am curious to know
Maybe we should watch this before talking about 9/11:
Loose Change
Loose Change
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| IF they were true followers, then they would never act violent as no religion preaches violence. |
Most religions preach violence, and Islam is top in this.
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| Fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them and seize them, confine them, and lie in wait for them in every place of ambush. |
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| Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his apostle nor acknowledge the religion of truth of the people of the Book (the Jews and the Christians) until they pay the Jizya [tax on non-Muslims] with willing submission and feel themselves subdued. (Surah 9:29) |
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| Those who follow Muhammad are merciless for the unbelievers but kind to each other.(Qur'an 48:29) |
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| "Fight the unbelievers in your surroundings, and let them find harshness in you." (Qur'an 9:123) |
Do not be deceived by claims that Islam means peace. Islam and Salaam are different words. Salaam means peace. Islam means submission. Islam has always been a religion of violence.
Does "fight" in Arabic mean only physically? Or are there meanings like psycologic fight too?
For example, if your economy is stronger than the others, it means that you are stronger on your psycologic fight about economy.
Or, if you have better artists, it means that you are stronger on your fight about arts. So, does "fight" always mean physical violence, or "to be stronger"?
Remember this term: "cold war".
For example, if your economy is stronger than the others, it means that you are stronger on your psycologic fight about economy.
Or, if you have better artists, it means that you are stronger on your fight about arts. So, does "fight" always mean physical violence, or "to be stronger"?
Remember this term: "cold war".
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| Does "fight" in Arabic mean only physically? Or are there meanings like psycologic fight too?
For example, if your economy is stronger than the others, it means that you are stronger on your psycologic fight about economy. Or, if you have better artists, it means that you are stronger on your fight about arts. So, does "fight" always mean physical violence, or "to be stronger"? Remember this term: "cold war". |
The word "Slay" can also mean psylogical slain, I think.
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| Fight until they pay Jizya and feel subdues |
What phycological fight can be discribed here?
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| Fight the unbelievers in your surroundings, and let them find harshness in you |
How will you decribe this line peaceful?
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Violence is violence, whether physical or phcycological.
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Most religions preach violence, and Islam is top in this.
Do not be deceived by claims that Islam means peace. Islam and Salaam are different words. Salaam means peace. Islam means submission. Islam has always been a religion of violence. |
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