when i first learned what discrimination was, i told my teacher that i discriminated against food. on an honest note, i personally joke around with my friends how indians take all of the IT jobs, but i really have nothing against the general population overall.
I feel like i'm surrounded by rascial discrimination on tv and in person. why can't we understand that at the end of the day, we're all humans. I wonder how we would discriminate each other if we all were born blind.
i'm what i like to call myself a "semi-muslim", i goto mosque from time to time and listen to advise that i get from my elders, but personally my common sense comes before any advise i can get from anyone (incl. my parents).
I think stereotyping, descrimination, and other forms of the like are just easier. They simplify life and what one needs to do to get through it. It is not healthy, nor is it right. I think that if one knows a lot about another person without actually meeting them, it is easier to file them away.
It is a matter of being lazy?
discrimination was not here from the begining of earth.. I think people came with that idea so that they can take contorl over other people.. ofcourse I am thinking about the divide and rule policy... don't think Iam focusing on old british colonization... but even before that.. if I can divide people into diffrent groups.. make one feel bad about the other.. then it will be easy to control isn't it.. I think that is the whole point.. even today..
After 9/11 many Arabs and Muslims were discriminated against out of fear. I believe discrimination for the most part arrives out of fear and generally is a bad idea. But I do believe discrimination (by definition) applies to so many things in our everyday lives that we cannot say discrimination is wrong. Every time we make a choice we discriminate.
Discrimination is pretty much human nature, though I'd have to agree it wasn't here in the start.
It's basis is greed. Humans could never live in peace, with the thought that everyone were equal. Everyone wants their own little bit of power over the other, or just something to claim some tiny amount of fame to. As long as it means being better than someone else, people are generally for it.
By now racism is subliminally programmed into each generation because it's become such a large part of our society. Being overly sensitive to the topic, I believe, only perpetuates its existence..
But the truth is, you probably discriminate as well - everyone does it because naturally, we are judgemental (apparently). Regardless of whether it's intentional or not, it happens, it's unfortunate, and I agree - at the end of the day we are all humans.
Why are we fighting each other? Why are we flying airplanes into each other's buildings?
It's so stupid, this world. Why can't we just get along?
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when i first learned what discrimination was, i told my teacher that i discriminated against food. on an honest note, i personally joke around with my friends how indians take all of the IT jobs, but i really have nothing against the general population overall.
I feel like i'm surrounded by rascial discrimination on tv and in person. why can't we understand that at the end of the day, we're all humans. I wonder how we would discriminate each other if we all were born blind.
i'm what i like to call myself a "semi-muslim", i goto mosque from time to time and listen to advise that i get from my elders, but personally my common sense comes before any advise i can get from anyone (incl. my parents). |
Salam alaykum, brother.
Discrimination exists. We cannot change such a fact.
Historically, it develops usually by someone oppressing or affecting someone's background. For example a person might become discriminating if his country suddenly changed and he was pulled from his 'roots'. Karen Armstrong says in one of her books that the one of the first recorded hate-muslim incident happened, when a christian started randomly insulting Islam. He kept doing it and the authorities, who were embrassed, did not know what to do. He kept doing it until he the law said he had to be excuted. A group of martyrs sprang up, and ever since Islam has been attacked violently. The Christian had had his roots changed and hated Islam because it had replaced the background.
The only way to deal with discriminaton, is through knowledge, response and ignoring the attacker. For example, you could educate the attacker. Or you could attack him back, but that isn't a good solution. Or you could simply ignore the attacker. Thus the attacker after a few weeks/months, looses interest and stops it.
I agree with you about common sense. But i prefer to use the Qur'an sometimes as i feel its arguments are so right and logical.
may God bless you.That lazyness theory makes sense, like i'm currently living in australia and recently there has been a case of discrimination and guess who it was??? The prime minister of australia himself (funny how australia is seen as a multiculturally tolerant country). He recently single handedly picked on muslims by stating that there was a "small" group of muslims which didn't learn english after living in australia for such a long time and on there was a news report how there was so many other people from all different backgrounds which didn't know any english themselves.
I believe most things happen for a reason (not everything). Now, by saying that are more of those elderly muslims going to start learning english? No! What our prime minister has just done is to stir the pot. I'm not saying those muslim terrorists are innoncent, but if you think about it for a bit, why would anyone take their own lives? Most people say they are brain washed by their leaders through the use of religion, I don't think that's the only reason why they do it. I think in a way they're being pushed into it by outsiders.
I think i'll sum it all up, muslim terrorists are dumb and the american government is even more dumb by sending those troops and invading those peoples homes instead of listening to them and asking how they could help them.
All of this is just my own opinion and not a fact so if you feel there's something in here that you feel offended by just pm me and i'll be glad to remove it. Make Peace Not War!!!
It is human nature to discrminate we do it when we watch tv by always nowing the bad guy from the good guy we cant help it if you see a "bum" in a street you think bad of him for no reson apart from "because we can"
even in animals they discriminate you know survival of the fitist the female goes for the biggest and strongest male leaving the small and week out
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I think i'll sum it all up, muslim terrorists are dumb and the american government is even more dumb by sending those troops and invading those peoples homes instead of listening to them and asking how they could help them.
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How very true.
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Discrimination is pretty much human nature, though I'd have to agree it wasn't here in the start.
It's basis is greed. Humans could never live in peace, with the thought that everyone were equal. Everyone wants their own little bit of power over the other, or just something to claim some tiny amount of fame to. As long as it means being better than someone else, people are generally for it.
By now racism is subliminally programmed into each generation because it's become such a large part of our society. Being overly sensitive to the topic, I believe, only perpetuates its existence.. |
It is in our nature to discriminate. Sometimes we do that without our knowledge, and most people do no realize they were at it. But however if we ARE aware of our discriminations against certain things, we should strive to change it.discrimination is without doubt human nature, and it is a powerful survival tool, so as an instinct it was probably selected for by natural selection.
during my psychology subsid i learnt that discrimination is so central to the human psychie, that a human being would rather create another discriminatory group than accept that their prejudicies about a group are wrong
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| discrimination is without doubt human nature, and it is a powerful survival tool |
how so?when i look at everyones reponses i've realised how everyone accepts the fact that humans "generally" are discriminative beings instead of identifying themselves as discriminators.
I've been thinking about it and it seems like we're all looking at discrimination from a negative point of view. Maybe all this religious discrimination is a sign stating that people overall aren't religiously tolerant, like i've studied ancient history (ancient persia) and one of the kings (Darius) brought in this idea of religious tolerance and this was thousands of years ago and it worked. With this tolerance the king became the great leader of the persian empire but after he died and some other king came to the throne, the empire started to fall apart and the religious tolerance was only a temporary sollution for the empire to be united. I guess what I am trying to say is that, if religious tolerance hasn't worked for thousands of years, then it's only common sense that it's not going to work for any other nation on earth any time soon. If you think about it, it might be best for everyone to live in their own country where their religion is accepted naturally.
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| mgumn wrote: | | discrimination is without doubt human nature, and it is a powerful survival tool |
how so? |
discrimination is a psychological tool for quickly deciding if a person is friend or foe based on their attributes, stereotyping of a group allowed us to make such decisions.
discrimination is a terrible thing, althought it is a natural reflex to exclude and actively discriminate against those who are unlike us. When living in family groups it makes sense to discriminate who arent in your family group as they share less genes with you than those of your family groupDiscrimination is lack of faith in others. We do lack faith in this world, especially in my country, though we claim to have plenty of it. Silly "Christians" ...
Given our development as a society discrimination is an inherited factor. Every time we choose one thing over the other, we discriminate that we didn't choose. For example, a long time ago when you were in 9th grade there was this girl who liked you a lot, but you didn't like her. In fact you dated her friend who was a lot pretties... Here you have discriminated...
One discriminates for one chooses that which one consciously or unconsciously considers better. You see this paradigm in action when looking at most CEOs - these tend to be in average 6.2, white and handsome men... Wonder why...?
Unfortunately, our understanding of better has gone downfalls, and thus we arrive to human discrimination. One discriminates a human being because he/she considers it less, and thus chooses to place admiration/ approval upon a different skin color or physical structure and cultural background. Think as Gods!
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discrimination is a psychological tool for quickly deciding if a person is friend or foe based on their attributes, stereotyping of a group allowed us to make such decisions.
discrimination is a terrible thing, althought it is a natural reflex to exclude and actively discriminate against those who are unlike us. When living in family groups it makes sense to discriminate who arent in your family group as they share less genes with you than those of your family group |
that doesn't effect survival though, unless you truely believe that every single person in a massive group of people only intentions are to kill you.Im not talking about now, but in a historical tribal situation it is likely that more outsiders were trying to kill you than werent, hence selection for the trait, be it social or genetic
here's an interesting view of discrimination
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51843
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There's so much confusion and emotionalism about discrimination that I thought I'd take a stab at a dispassionate analysis. Discrimination is simply the act of choice. When we choose Bordeaux wine, we discriminate against Burgundy wine. When I married Mrs. Williams, I discriminated against other women. Even though I occasionally think about equal opportunity, Mrs. Williams demands continued discrimination.
You say, "Williams, such discrimination doesn't harm anyone." You're wrong. Discriminating in favor of Bordeaux wine reduces the value of resources held in Burgundy production. Discriminating in favor of Mrs. Williams harmed other women by reducing their opportunity set, assuming I'm a man other women would marry.
Our lives are spent discriminating for or against one thing or another. In other words, choice requires discrimination. When we modify the term with race, sex, height, weight or age, we merely specify the choice criteria.
Imagine how silly, not to mention impossible, life would be if discrimination were outlawed. Imagine engaging in just about any activity where we couldn't discriminate by race, sex, height, weight, age, mannerisms, college selection, looks or ability; it would turn into a carnival.
I've sometimes asked students if they believe in equal opportunity in employment. Invariably, they answer yes. Then I ask them, when they graduate, whether they plan to give every employer an equal opportunity to hire them. Most often they answer no; they plan to discriminate against certain employers. Then I ask them, if they're not going to give every employer an equal opportunity to hire them, what's fair about requiring an employer to give them an equal opportunity to be hired?
Sometimes students will argue that certain forms of discrimination are OK, but it's racial discrimination that's truly offensive. That's when I confess my own history of racial discrimination. In the late 1950s, whilst selecting a lifelong mate, even though white, Mexican, Indian, Chinese and Japanese women might have been just as qualified as a mate, I gave them no chance whatsoever. It appears that most Americans act identically by racially discriminating in setting up marriage contracts. According to the 1992 Census Bureau, only 2.2 percent of Americans are married to people other than their own race or ethnicity.
You say, "All right, Williams, discrimination in marriage doesn't have the impact on society that other forms of discrimination have." You're wrong again. When there is assortive (non-random) mate selection, it heightens whatever group differences exist in the population. For instance, higher IQ individuals tend toward mates with high IQs. High-income people tend to mate with other high-income people.
It's the same with education. To the extent there is a racial correlation between these characteristics, racial discrimination in mate selection exaggerates the differences in the society's intelligence and income distribution. There would be greater equality if there weren't this kind of discrimination in mate selection.
In other words, if high-IQ people were forced to select low-IQ mates, high-income people forced to select low-income mates, and highly educated people forced to select lowly educated mates, there would be greater social equality. While there would be greater social equality, the divorce rate would soar since gross dissimilarities would make for conflict.
Common sense suggests that not all discrimination should be eliminated, so the question is, what kind of discrimination should be permitted? I'm guessing the answer depends on one's values for freedom of association, keeping in mind freedom of association implies freedom not to associate. |
Discrimination is related to the human selfishness: we can't stand what is different from us.
If there is no "objective" reason to do it, we look for and we usually find one: if someone is fat or thin or ugly or has another religion or lifestyle, everything can be used to discriminate.
Discrimination is related to the humans being afraid of the unknow! Whites don't no what blacks or yellows or reds think of them. (Sorry, I don't intend to hurt anyone with those names!) I don't have anything against anyone only because he/she is a different colour. I have Vietnamese friends, also I have African friends, Finnish friends, British friends and so on so I don't look at the color or nationality! But some people like Adolf Hitler who did so horrible things! Jews are very, very, very, very nice people and yet this man went and killed 6 million of them. Man, I get furious when I think of that! 
Discrimination is simply the act of fearing or hating anything that is different or that we don't understand. And while I feel that everyone discriminates, to one degree or another, the degree of that discrimination varies. After all, I would love to say that I never discriminate against anyone, but I would be lying. I find myself thinking thoughts of that nature and it shames me.
You cannot accuse one group over another for discrimination. It's something we all do.
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| But the truth is, you probably discriminate as well - everyone does it because naturally, we are judgemental (apparently). Regardless of whether it's intentional or not, it happens, it's unfortunate, and I agree - at the end of the day we are all humans. |
I come from a country that’s rife with discrimination, in my experience I think it’s a matter of what goes around comes around.
