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Psychics, the Afterlife and Religious truth?

 


redwulfe
I have never been an orthidox thinker. I have never foolowed the beat of the same drummer, so why would I just buy into the way someone 2,000+ years before my birth tells me how to think?

That was my question when someone talks about he bible. I don't know what I beleive, and that is why I am here. I am seeking opinions. to me it seems that their are three possibilities when it comes to religion and life after death.

1. It's true: what ever it is their is a higher power he fights wiht his adversary for the controll of human souls and only by following one or the other can you attain the afterlife you choose for yourself.

2. It' crap: You die when you die welcome to life on the big rock we call major coinsidence.

3. It's an illusion: What you think is not what is real and what is real is simply a matter of perception.

Well, what to believe? Well number 1 has merits its means that knowone ever dies we just go on for ever in one form or another serving a more powerfull entity than us and if we don't serve we just keep on keeping on. But how can I truely believe in this hollywood style drama of the eternal struggle. It just seems to far feched to not have any reallistic evedence to it's exsistence.

Number two is very bleak and I really hate this one but on the up side how could it just be a coincidence? I mean I have seen things that can not be explained and to popular belief science proves number tow but science still doesn't know what truth is. It constently reevaluates what it bielives. Look at pluto, no longer a planet, WTF.

So that left me with the third choice. What if their is no meaning, or higher conciousness guiding our fate, but there is still something out their that can not be explained and that's why it all makes no sense.

There isa lot of reasearch done into the power of the mind and its abilities. there is also proffs that hive minds exist and that there may be racial memoryies passed down form one generation to the next. So here is the theory that I want to discuse:

All living beings are connected through the subconsious. they have the ability thorugh this to effect change on others through this link. This is what heaven is. When you die you die but your personality was a part of this network and that can not change. Magic is nothing more than effecting change through this subconscious network. Ghosts and are also nothing more than the remenecince of the resedue on the subconcious network.

I have done alot of thinking on this and there is nothing I have came up with that has beenable to disprove my theory or that I could not explain using this theory. I know that what i have written down above is very short and It is probbably not a good explination of the theory but what I need is others to prove it wrong to me.

Thanks, for your help.
Bikerman
redwulfe wrote:

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3. It's an illusion: What you think is not what is real and what is real is simply a matter of perception.
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So that left me with the third choice. What if their is no meaning, or higher conciousness guiding our fate, but there is still something out their that can not be explained and that's why it all makes no sense.
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All living beings are connected through the subconsious. they have the ability thorugh this to effect change on others through this link. This is what heaven is. When you die you die but your personality was a part of this network and that can not change. Magic is nothing more than effecting change through this subconscious network. Ghosts and are also nothing more than the remenecince of the resedue on the subconcious network.

I have done alot of thinking on this and there is nothing I have came up with that has beenable to disprove my theory or that I could not explain using this theory. I know that what i have written down above is very short and It is probbably not a good explination of the theory but what I need is others to prove it wrong to me.
Thanks, for your help.


OK...some possible ways to test this.
1) If beings are linked through the subconscious then presumably the link will be stronger when the subconscious is more active ? If the link uses some sort of energy to transmit back and forth then it would be measurable, yes ? Change in others presupposes a signal being sent from the senders mind/brain, a receiving mechanism picking it up and some mechanism to interpret and act on the received signal in the receivers mind/brain. Presuming the signal is what we understand as such then it should be detectable somewhere across the EM band so all one does is sweep the full EM spectrum and look for such a signal and correlate any changes in the signal for a subject asleep and awake (your subconscious is more active in the former).
2) Your point 3 does not say the same thing as your explanation of it a bit later. Actually it was point 3 that grabbed my attention because I thought it might be a lead into a more subtle argument (IMHO) about the quantum world and the Copenhagen interpretation (basically states that the quantum world only exists when it is percieved, in a very simplistic summary). Point 3 says that reality is what can be perceieved which is not the same as then going on to a mysterious higher being which cannot be perceived...
3) If you hold that what we think is not real then you have to explain the correspondance between observable phenomena and our theories of the physical universe. This is possible, by arguing a mentalist position as part of a dualist existential philosophy (ie everything we perceive comes through the senses, the senses might be connected to a giant computer or might be misleading us) but this is ultimately a stale argument because although it cannot be disproved, neither does it allow any predictions or statements about the personal reality inhabitted if it is true and all one can then do is accept the statement and go no further.

Regards
Chris.
Shike
redwulfe wrote:

1. It's true: what ever it is their is a higher power he fights wiht his adversary for the controll of human souls and only by following one or the other can you attain the afterlife you choose for yourself.


Personally I think this is a very limited view of this particular side of the triangle. There are many beliefs, not all are a battle for human souls, not all contain "good" and "evil" in their view points (some offer "order" vs "chaos").

I guess my point is that description for #1 is a purely islamic-Judeo-Christian point of view when there are thousands of other possibilities avialable.

If you are walking the path of belief I would like to suggest researching many different beliefs (both polytheistic (many gods/goddesses) and monotheistic (one god/goddess), as well as different interpretations of the afterlife, practical magic/miracles, etc) There is a much larger world out there in relation to belief that looking at a single point of view for an afterlife is just falacy.
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