Considering religion and philosophy of all types what are the things in life that are really important for happiness and wellbeing?
What is really important?
I do not believe that it is some "points" with life which makes us happy. I do not believe in any god and neither that it is any certain point with life.
So... I think that the things which makes us happy varies from person to person. I mean, religious people becomes very happy by believing in a god and that is good for them, and by the way, I have nothing against religious people and if they believes in something which makes them happy that is very good so please don`t fire me for saying that.
You "just" have to find the things which makes you happy, they varies from person to person.
But I guess that the simplest way to put it is: take care of youself, take care of others and we will all be happy
So... I think that the things which makes us happy varies from person to person. I mean, religious people becomes very happy by believing in a god and that is good for them, and by the way, I have nothing against religious people and if they believes in something which makes them happy that is very good so please don`t fire me for saying that.
You "just" have to find the things which makes you happy, they varies from person to person.
But I guess that the simplest way to put it is: take care of youself, take care of others and we will all be happy
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Freedom
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what are the things in life that are really important for happiness and wellbeing? Freedom |
Very true, I didn`t think about that one.
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Very true, I didn`t think about that one. |
One of the mods didn't either, because my first reply from a few hours ago got deleted. It's funny how they just delete crap without thinking.
(I didn’t delete any posts here, but it’s possible it was done because one-word posts are discouraged.)
I came here because I wanted to address the substantial issue.
I think that freedom (which S3nd K3ys offered) is a very decent answer at a high level. If we were to get only slightly deeper, the answer that comes to my mind is personal control, which could be considered a nuanced version of freedom.
When people feel that there is rational cause-and-effect at their disposal, then they can act according to what they want to have happen -- and of course can adjust their acts along the way, as they learn how to cause the effects they want.
When there’s not freedom, then personal control also can’t happen. If laws (backed by threat and force of a monopoly) are constantly changing and are not very logical and reasonable, and thus cannot be predicted, then that lack of freedom assuredly causes lack of personal control.
But there could also theoretically be situations of freedom, where there were not personal control (and thus serious unhappiness and no well-being). An example of that would be someone who, for whatever reason, has not learned how to take care of themselves as an adult, and yet they are living in an adult world.
But, having said that, the thing I think we all should be working towards is definitely freedom, because none of us have that. Unfortunately, the overall world approach today is anti-freedom. We’ll never get to the point of having personal control until we get freedom.
(We can all see relative amounts of freedom and personal control, today; some environments, some countries, some cities, etc. are more or less free as compared to each other. But when all land and all people’s labor is effectively owned by governments, there is no freedom, but only crumbs of freedom.)
I came here because I wanted to address the substantial issue.
| ludio_ wrote: |
| Considering religion and philosophy of all types what are the things in life that are really important for happiness and wellbeing? |
I think that freedom (which S3nd K3ys offered) is a very decent answer at a high level. If we were to get only slightly deeper, the answer that comes to my mind is personal control, which could be considered a nuanced version of freedom.
When people feel that there is rational cause-and-effect at their disposal, then they can act according to what they want to have happen -- and of course can adjust their acts along the way, as they learn how to cause the effects they want.
When there’s not freedom, then personal control also can’t happen. If laws (backed by threat and force of a monopoly) are constantly changing and are not very logical and reasonable, and thus cannot be predicted, then that lack of freedom assuredly causes lack of personal control.
But there could also theoretically be situations of freedom, where there were not personal control (and thus serious unhappiness and no well-being). An example of that would be someone who, for whatever reason, has not learned how to take care of themselves as an adult, and yet they are living in an adult world.
But, having said that, the thing I think we all should be working towards is definitely freedom, because none of us have that. Unfortunately, the overall world approach today is anti-freedom. We’ll never get to the point of having personal control until we get freedom.
(We can all see relative amounts of freedom and personal control, today; some environments, some countries, some cities, etc. are more or less free as compared to each other. But when all land and all people’s labor is effectively owned by governments, there is no freedom, but only crumbs of freedom.)
I wholeheartedly agree with S3nd K3ys and The Philosopher Princess on this one: freedom and personal control, and the balance that must be maintained in order for each to co-exist.
Anybody else here agree that we take the freedom we have for granted? I think that the fact that we can make our own choices and decisions are drastically overlooked.
When we turn on a light switch, we expect the light to come - without even thinking about it. When we turn a faucet, we expect water to come out - without thinking about it. It's the big things (like freedom) that make the little pleasures of life worthwhile.
Anybody else here agree that we take the freedom we have for granted? I think that the fact that we can make our own choices and decisions are drastically overlooked.
When we turn on a light switch, we expect the light to come - without even thinking about it. When we turn a faucet, we expect water to come out - without thinking about it. It's the big things (like freedom) that make the little pleasures of life worthwhile.
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| Anybody else here agree that we take the freedom we have for granted? |
I agree that some people do. (To be truthful, I do not.)
You share an interesting additional observation, which reminds me of a cute essay that was written decades ago but still has application today (because it identifies principles of reality -- in particular concerning the free market). Here is one link to it I just found: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/760868/posts.
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The Freeman ^ | December 1958 | Leonard E. Reed [...] I am a lead pencil--the ordinary wooden pencil familiar to all boys and girls and adults who can read and write. Writing is both my vocation and my avocation; that's all I do. You may wonder why I should write a genealogy. [...] |
The essay is about how something as seemingly simple as a pencil comes into existence (not because of hierarchical control by government of its citizen-laborers, but) in a free market (freedom) where each individual pursues his or her own self-interests (personal control).
I hope some readers will go check it out. I don’t see how anyone looking for freedom (and happiness) couldn’t be inspired by it. And, Soulfire, I hope that you recognize this as corroborating your own points.
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.... But there could also theoretically be situations of freedom, where there were not personal control (and thus serious unhappiness and no well-being). An example of that would be someone who, for whatever reason, has not learned how to take care of themselves as an adult, and yet they are living in an adult world. |
There is a corresponding scenario also worth mentioning perhaps. It is possible to be 'free' to take a particular course of action or decision, but be unaware that the opportunity exists.
I put the quotes around the word free because in this scenario it is almost certainly true that the freedom is, at best, notional and, realistically, does not exist.
It can be simply summarised as 'if you don't know that you can do something then you are not free to do it'.
This was, incidentally, one of the reasons I first decided to become a teacher - a frustration with the curtailment of personal freedoms caused not by authoritarian government but, instead, by the lack of awareness of options. I still believe that to be as free as possible requires one to be as 'educated' as possible, otherwise many of the supposed freedoms are in fact illusory. I use educated in the original sense of the word - 'ex ducere' - 'to lead towards' or 'bring out'.
Just a point in passing to add to the thought provoking post here.
xChris.
for Personal :
Freedom
for Mankind :
Survival.
We humanity must united to survive ourselves.
One day all of our resources in earth will be over.
or our earth will be end by something. I mean the end of the earth
until that day if we still can not left the earth,
find a new home, that's mean we (Mankind) will be perish
that's the most important..
Freedom
for Mankind :
Survival.
We humanity must united to survive ourselves.
One day all of our resources in earth will be over.
or our earth will be end by something. I mean the end of the earth
until that day if we still can not left the earth,
find a new home, that's mean we (Mankind) will be perish
that's the most important..
I don't think there is an answer to this question that could apply to everyone, it's different for everyone.
And it's not a question that can be answered easily, it's something people realize through living.
And it's not a question that can be answered easily, it's something people realize through living.
Is freedom attainable? There are many circumstances which constrain our freedom to act. We cannot choose our country of birth or congenital health, our genetics or many other things that can have a profound influence on our happiness and wellbeing. Freedom must be constrained so that we can cooperate. I can't act like an a--hole just because I feel like it, there are limits to freedom within which I can still be content with my lot. It's not hard to imagine even a prisoner can have contentment or even happiness. I can be happy without being completely free if I have...
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| for Personal :
Freedom for Mankind : Survival. We humanity must united to survive ourselves. One day all of our resources in earth will be over. or our earth will be end by something. I mean the end of the earth until that day if we still can not left the earth, find a new home, that's mean we (Mankind) will be perish that's the most important.. |
Very pious and worthy sounding. What do you actually do about this on a personal level ? Do you fly ? Use a car ? Recycle ?
The problem with the hand-wringing and wailing is that it generally achieves not very much in the light of political and economic cynicism and self-interest. As an individual the most important thing to remember is that you are morally responsible for something to the extent which it is in your power to change. This means the starting point must always be personal behaviour for most of us, since we are in no position to influence large numbers of others to do as we think should be done. Celebrities and stars, I believe, have a bigger responsibility, since they are in a position to effect more change. Politicans also bear more responsibility for the same reason. The normal member of the public is responsible for themself and maybe the family. For most people that is aready more than they are willing to tackle but for all it is the starting point.
Chris.
I think they are just ways to consume time and get quiet times...
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Freedom |
Above all else
peace of mind.
I agree, I think that peace of mind is what is really important. From that you can add some other things like familly, a wife, relatives, religion, money, security, goods, or any other thing that you may think is necesary for being happy. But the important thing is that all this things are contained in the peace of mind, obviously these things vary from person to person. You have to define what makes you happy and look for it so you can have peace of mind.
thanx alot ya man
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