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A new definition of a Planet

 


einstein


In 2006, the International Astronomical Union proposed that the term "planet" be redefined to include other objects beyond the traditional nine planets considered a part of the solar system. Members of the IAU will vote on the proposal on August 24, 2006 in Prague, in the Czech Republic.

The three new planets would be Ceres (first considered a planet, then an asteroid), Charon (formerly considered a moon of Pluto; would be considered a double planet under the proposed definition) and the recently discovered 2003 UB313 (nicknamed Xena). It is quite possible that, after more searching, astronomers will discover more objects in the solar system that meet this new definition.

A planet is a celestial body that (a) has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that it assumes a hydrostatic equilibrium (nearly round) shape, and (b) is in orbit around a star, and is neither a star nor a satellite of a planet.

WELL, THIS REALLY LOOKS LIKE OUR SOLAR SYSTEM HAS 12 PLANETS NOW. Surprised
WHO KNOWS .....MORE MAY STILL BE DISCOVERED!!! Very Happy

Source: Wrote it myself... Razz
Mannix
I read about this in USA today, here's a link to the full story http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/space/2006-08-17-planet-controversy_x.htm

Kinda interesting, I never knew where ceres was either Confused
Soulfire
Hm, intriguing. The new definition sounds a bit more inclusive.
suntzu3500
I like the new definition better... I never figured out why Pluto was picked as the planet and Charon as the moon since they're not that much different in size and they orbit eachother as well as the sun (Charon has as much gravitational pull as Pluto does)
maclui
Who cares?? A new definition of planet will not make our lifes better nor more happy.
suntzu3500
Woah... picture size increase?
FunDa
So, finally how many planets r there in the solar system ?

Pluto was an enigma - but I didn't know about it's "moon". Why the preference to Pluto for the planet title Rolling Eyes ?
einstein
maclui wrote:
Who cares?? A new definition of planet will not make our lifes better nor more happy.


ah....here's a person who is as ignorant as can be (no offence) Razz
poet
I beleave it was either cnn or yahoo news who is saying that with this new definition that Pluto is no longer considered a planet. Did anyone else see that or is it something I mistaken to be a fact?
Bondings
poet wrote:
I beleave it was either cnn or yahoo news who is saying that with this new definition that Pluto is no longer considered a planet. Did anyone else see that or is it something I mistaken to be a fact?

They keep telling it on the radio in Belgium so I guess it's indeed true. It's a "dwarf planet" (not sure about the English term) or something similar now.

It's a lot easier to not consider Pluto as a planet as there are a lot of similar objects in our solar system and making them all planets isn't really an option.
poet
"Dwarf Planet" is the term used here in the states, and agree that it really isnt an option to name similar objects all planets.
manumiglani
So Guys!....... Pluto is not a planet....... I wonder what effect will it have on the Zodiac signs?
FunDa
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Why the preference to Pluto for the planet title Rolling Eyes ?

Now, finally- it's official. I'm so happy !

Quote:
"Leading astronomers declared Thursday that Pluto is no longer a planet under historic new guidelines that downsize the solar system from nine planets to eight. "

"The decision on Pluto at a conference of 2,500 astronomers from 75 countries was a dramatic shift from just a week ago, when the group's leaders floated a proposal that would have reaffirmed Pluto's planetary status and made planets of its largest moon and two other objects.

That plan proved highly unpopular, splitting astronomers into factions and triggering days of sometimes combative debate that led to Pluto's undoing. In the end, only about 300 astronomers cast ballots"


Very scientific - to decide by votes Twisted Evil

So, finally what does it come to ? No eccentrics allowed in sun's orbit?
Just because it is the eccentric one, who is sometimes 8th and sometimes 9th around the sun; and it goes through the backyard and front of other planets' which has not been cleared .

Now for some Indian background, in Indian astrology Neptune and Pluto have been named Varuna and Yama. (Yama is the god of death - comes through the backdoor)

Varuna and Yama are digpals, guardians of two of the eight digs (directions) in Indian mythology.

The nine planets (grahas) according to Indian mythology and astrology are: Surya, Chandra, Mangala, Budha, Guru (or Brihaspati), Shukra, Shani, Rahu and Ketu. Celestial objects that move around (unlike stars, which are stationary in relation to each other) and do not twinkle were called grahas. Each graha was assigned a god as its adhipati. (Rahu and Ketu, though asuras by birth, partook of the amrut through guile and became immortals like the devas. They are not adhipatis of any visible celestial objects but periodially consume and conceal the two largest grahas in retaliation for their sneaking to Vishnu of their deception.)

Until the invention of the telescope by Galileo, only the planets upto Saturn were visible to the naked eye and only these were described as planets by various civilizations. Uranus, it is said, can be seen with the naked eye as a green speck, under favorable conditions. However, it generally twinkles a bit like stars.

Anyways - now we've just eight planets - all the astrologists have some major re-learning to do and predictions to re-write ! Laughing
ralphbefree
Oh My! what are all the scorpios going to do?
einstein
haha....lol

well, its a "dwarf planet" now, and i have no idea what they are going to do abt the zodiac signs!!!
simp
Gotta agree with the new definition. At least there IS a definition now. Yes, it will be hard to give up things you have taken for granted your whole life, like Pluto being a planet. But eight is enough, and 8,000,000 (or many, many more) is way too much.

Got a better definition? Let's hear it.
Tumbleweed
Why dont they just say if it has an perminant atmosphere its a planet !!!!! , as to Pluto I think they should leave pluto alone as the only none planet planet and use whatever is the new definition on new found objects, to me its a bit like redefining the Wright brothers flight as a long jump in a 100 years time because it was under 1000 feet ( or some other inane point ) as someone mentioned before we can call pluto a rhino in a pink dress and it wont effect our lives
largelyobscure
The planet, Mercury, the closest to the sun, does not have an atmosphere. It is larger than Pluto, but it doesn't have an atmosphere as its proximity to the sun would cause an atmosphere to be burned off by solar wind and heat.

I remember hearing about this argument with Pluto, some time ago, but this is the first time they have changed or so defined planets and if they are to stick to A definition then I think that the definition should affect the current, not just be something that matters only for adding later.

They may find more planets even by the new definition at a later point, somewhere closer to the heliosphere, with better technology in astronomy. I think that's how they found that UB-2003 planet a while back was by noticing the slight gravitational pull of another planetary body that caused the formula for the orbit of pluto and neptune to be slightly off so they knew that something had to be there. They may, they may not, but they are always finding out something, but I would imagine, I don't think that it would be a long-shot, to think, that with today's technology, i.e. Hubble Telescope and all the like, that anything with significant size would have showed up by now, so under the new definition then they wouldn't be added. I wonder what the actual breaking off point for mass or volume would be for a planet vise dwarf-planet.... I don't know.

It is pretty interesting though that after all this time, they decided to change the definition, therefore changing the status of one of the previously described. Textbooks and encyclopedias, true, will have to be changed, but reallly, that in itself is alright, if that is what is needed to correct an inconsistently with current info.

It might not affect our daily lives, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't matter. Facts are important, and in the scientific community expressly having the facts right are very important, even a small difference from the facts can have dire consequences, like the probes that failed going to Mars. I know that's an unrelated topic and the definition of what Pluto is certainly will not cause a space craft to crash or malfunction, but facts no matter how unrelated to daily life will always be important, and not just in the scientific community, but as a general rule. In teaching and just in casual conversation we learn every day. Good for the scientists for making the change, as they are admitting they were wrong, but they schould probably have drafted this definition years ago, for if they did then they wouldn't be in this situation now. Like in the previous post... better 8 than 8000. Could you even imagine having the memorize even 30 planets? Well, if that's what it took I would, but these little planetary bodies such as Pluto exist probably, even more so than we are aware such as the new discoveries and probably further out and more out of the planetary plane.

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