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Stem cell research: for or against?
Where do the human begin or end?
Stem cell research have given us a much better understanding of the human blueprints as well as helping a lot of sick people. The possibilities of what we can do with stem cells are endless!
Yet, many people think that researching on stem cells that ultimately dies is like murdering babies.
If a starfish loses an arm it can grow into a new starfish. Would destroying that arm before it has grown into a new fish be like killing a babyfish?
Where do you stand in the stem cell debate? Where do humans begin?
Stem cell research have given us a much better understanding of the human blueprints as well as helping a lot of sick people. The possibilities of what we can do with stem cells are endless!
Yet, many people think that researching on stem cells that ultimately dies is like murdering babies.
If a starfish loses an arm it can grow into a new starfish. Would destroying that arm before it has grown into a new fish be like killing a babyfish?
Where do you stand in the stem cell debate? Where do humans begin?
i support stem cell research... it holds so much promise... diseases like diabetes, alzhiemers, etc and so many more can be cured if this works out...
about the morality/ethics side of it... well i wont call it stupid, but it really gets very close to that... extracting cells before a state of consciousness is reached, is NOT killing babies! most of us kill and eat animals for food and yet dont see anything morally wrong with it! but still so mnay of us will find stem cell extraction morally wrong! hypocrites!
about the morality/ethics side of it... well i wont call it stupid, but it really gets very close to that... extracting cells before a state of consciousness is reached, is NOT killing babies! most of us kill and eat animals for food and yet dont see anything morally wrong with it! but still so mnay of us will find stem cell extraction morally wrong! hypocrites!
murdering babies??? what? they never have sex? they were killing millions then.
in my religion, god gives life exactly 100 day after conception, that is when life (human) begin. before that, is just your body excretion.
in my religion, god gives life exactly 100 day after conception, that is when life (human) begin. before that, is just your body excretion.
| Rymdpingvin wrote: |
| Where do the human begin or end?
Stem cell research have given us a much better understanding of the human blueprints as well as helping a lot of sick people. The possibilities of what we can do with stem cells are endless! Yet, many people think that researching on stem cells that ultimately dies is like murdering babies. If a starfish loses an arm it can grow into a new starfish. Would destroying that arm before it has grown into a new fish be like killing a babyfish? Where do you stand in the stem cell debate? Where do humans begin? |
I'm all for embryonic stem cell research, but I support the ban on federal money for embryonic stem cell research. Besides, whenever you attach federal money to anything it becomes corrupted by the government handing out the money.
I don't know why everyone is talking about embryonic stemcells, there are other type of stemcells (some which have proven to be more useful than the embryonic stemcells). I am for it because there is a lot of potential from using them.
| Rymdpingvin wrote: |
| Where do the human begin or end?
Stem cell research have given us a much better understanding of the human blueprints as well as helping a lot of sick people. The possibilities of what we can do with stem cells are endless! Yet, many people think that researching on stem cells that ultimately dies is like murdering babies. If a starfish loses an arm it can grow into a new starfish. Would destroying that arm before it has grown into a new fish be like killing a babyfish? Where do you stand in the stem cell debate? Where do humans begin? |
| badai wrote: |
| murdering babies??? what? they never have sex? they were killing millions then.
in my religion, god gives life exactly 100 day after conception, that is when life (human) begin. before that, is just your body excretion. |
Wow, never heard that one! What religion is that?
| Roberts'Classes wrote: |
| I'm all for embryonic stem cell research, but I support the ban on federal money for embryonic stem cell research. Besides, whenever you attach federal money to anything it becomes corrupted by the government handing out the money. |
You are talkning like someone who grew up with an untrustworthy goverment and doesn't want to believe there are better ones out there cause that wouldn't put your homeland in a good light. But believe me there are plenty of countries in the world where the goverment is trusted and liked by the people.
I think this poll is heading in the right direction... =)
Maybe the world is soon ready for my army of crabpeoples!! =D
Maybe the world is soon ready for my army of crabpeoples!! =D
These discoveries and techniques could lead us to grow new organs and repair damaged nerves. This would be one of the greatest advances in medicine in a long while.
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You are talkning like someone who grew up with an untrustworthy goverment and doesn't want to believe there are better ones out there cause that wouldn't put your homeland in a good light. But believe me there are plenty of countries in the world where the goverment is trusted and liked by the people. |
I am proud of my country and support her, but government isn't there to do everything for everyone. If you like some other government better then why aren't you living there? (maybe you already are?)
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| I am proud of my country and support her, but government isn't there to do everything for everyone. If you like some other government better then why aren't you living there? (maybe you already are?) |
I'm sorry.. I didn't mean to talk bad about your country nor government. My point is that government funding is not a bad thing most of the times and it is often the main funding available for basic research. Cutting all goverment fundings for research would efficiently kill any research goal aiming solely to help people not to profit from them. I believe that ppl should be able to trust their government with such a simple task as to distribute money to scientists that try to help mankind. Cutting the funds to stemcell research will only slow down the progress of cures and treatments and result in the suffering of millions of ppl worldwide that otherwise could have been cured. Is it really right to cause this suffering to millions of ppl just because of your beliefs or because you don't like government fundings? (or that you've had a bad day and just don't feel like discusssing it and thus dismissing as evil, which -if I know mankind- is the main reason ppl feel bad about stemcell research)
| Rymdpingvin wrote: |
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If a starfish loses an arm it can grow into a new starfish. Would destroying that arm before it has grown into a new fish be like killing a babyfish? |
I don't mean to be difficult but star fish cannot reproduce via fragmentation.
Hm... I think this issue really does depend on the first question, when does life begin. Personally I don't consider life to begin at conception. But where does a being start to develop consciousness? Do we agree that that is the start of life, or is there some other standard we are judging by?
If you know anyone with MS or any other disease like it, you would likely be highly in support of it.
| Rymdpingvin wrote: |
| But believe me there are plenty of countries in the world where the goverment is trusted and liked by the people. |
Believe me, there are plenty of people in most countries who trust their government.
| S3nd K3ys wrote: |
| If you know anyone with MS or any other disease like it, you would likely be highly in support of it. |
If you were responding to me, I actually am. Life does (I think) begin at either birth or the development of the nervous system. Neither of these are against stem cell research, and I do know people who would be infinitely improved by this.
| wombatrpgs wrote: | ||
If you were responding to me, I actually am. Life does (I think) begin at either birth or the development of the nervous system. Neither of these are against stem cell research, and I do know people who would be infinitely improved by this. |
Actually, I was generalizing for the sake of the thread. But it's all good.
I guess I'm not sure. To me, cloning yourself (or someone else), and then killing them to use their cells seems a bit unethical, but the promise it holds is tempting.
Suppose I'm still on the fence about this one.
Suppose I'm still on the fence about this one.
I'm definately for stem cell research, finding cures to deadley diseases would better everyones life, ethics aside. Besides why would we even need to grow full human beings? If we only need certain cells why not just grow those specific cells and nothing else? Really growing a whole human just to use one part would be a complete waste, just growing what you need shouldn't bother anyone if what your growing has no brain, it would be the equivilant of fighting to protect cancer based on the fact it's living tissue, the cancer removed also has no mind yet we don't have a problem with it, using blank cells to grow needed tissues is no different, with the exeption that one kills and one saves lifes of course.
The results of this poll seem to reflect that 10/10 people support it thus far 
| Soulfire wrote: |
| To me, cloning yourself (or someone else), and then killing them to use their cells seems a bit unethical |
This is not what people here are referring to, that is not stem cell treatment. Stem cells are taken from human embryos, months before the are born, and using them for research purposes. This research may work wonders for people with once uncurable diseases, such as MS, arthritis, and many others.
Destroying live babies for the purpose of research and continuation of another human would indeed be unethical. Here we are debating when life begins. Is it ethical to 'kill' (is it alive?) an embryo for research? Unless you believe, like some people do, that an ebryo and a newborn are the same thing, than this is different.
And in any case, this is certainly seperate from cloning for the purpose of organ harvesting. (The only real thing I've read about that was fiction, in House of the Scorpion. I really have no clue what I'm talking about there.)
Even so, it's a natural process that once the first egg cell divides into two cells, the cycle of life has begun and regardless of whether or not you think those cells are alive (even a general definition of cells are "smallest units of life") they will have life eventually.
It's a very, very sensitive issue for me.
It's a very, very sensitive issue for me.
Okay, then you would consider those first cells babies. I'm fine with that, but you can see where I would condone the slaughter of newborns.
About cells being the smallest unit of life, would you consider me shedding tons of skin cells murder? They are cells, but would you consider them, seperate from the whole, alive? Or would you save this designation for stem cells, with the prospect of creating a new whole living being?
About cells being the smallest unit of life, would you consider me shedding tons of skin cells murder? They are cells, but would you consider them, seperate from the whole, alive? Or would you save this designation for stem cells, with the prospect of creating a new whole living being?
The research to stem cells is very important.
Look to the many things that can be done with this research.
Persons with a disease of malfunctionating organs can be helped with this, because stem cells are mutatting to this cells that are needed in that specific organ.
Every person that is against this research must be teached a lesson so that they could learn the important research.
I hope that there are enough people who will choose for this research.
Look to the many things that can be done with this research.
Persons with a disease of malfunctionating organs can be helped with this, because stem cells are mutatting to this cells that are needed in that specific organ.
Every person that is against this research must be teached a lesson so that they could learn the important research.
I hope that there are enough people who will choose for this research.
it's ironic that bush's veto against stem cell research to 'preserve ethical values' safeguards stem cells already labelled for discard...
Would you believe that people are actually adopting those embryos labelled for destruction? As if there weren't enough actual children elsewhere that need homes.
as long as the brain or the memory could be reserved, the other part of the body is no more than a tool of the body. When a car needs to change a ram, it is not a big deal, right?
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But what if that replacement part, if left alone, would grow into a new car, even if it itself isn't atthe moment a car. You could see it as grabbing a part, or destroying another car for the sake of the preservation of the old one.
Stem cell research is a necessary evil- it is really the only way we will probably ever manage to defeat some major genetic ailments. And if it can solve the problems with the transplant waiting lists by enabling whole organs to be cloned- where's the wrong in that?
IMO, The sperm and egg make a self-sustaining biological reaction. The DNA, enzyme complex now has enough to reproduce itself and diversify its cells into its respective tissue typing, leading to organ development, brain development and heart beat. The heart beats as little as two weeks after conception. After that you have a little baby that is on it's way out into the world.
If the baby is in the womb, it doesn't dimish it's rights. Just as a kangaroo baby sits in it's mother's pouch until it's ready to come out. They are very different. Even the baby's immune system, brain activity and pulse is different that the mothers.
But I really like placental stem cell research. Anyway. There is already embryonic stem cell lines already produced artificially without disturbing live embryo's. So we don't have to kill off any more embryos.
If the baby is in the womb, it doesn't dimish it's rights. Just as a kangaroo baby sits in it's mother's pouch until it's ready to come out. They are very different. Even the baby's immune system, brain activity and pulse is different that the mothers.
But I really like placental stem cell research. Anyway. There is already embryonic stem cell lines already produced artificially without disturbing live embryo's. So we don't have to kill off any more embryos.
I think we are playing with fire here. I'm actually all for stem cell research.. I believe it could help out in so many avenues and help out so many people living a life of pain and misery.. but unfortunately, us humans are falable.. and it's that evil scientist in us that worries me. As much as I am for stem cell reasearch and I am totally against cloning!
I am against stem cell research and a large portion of the medical field that currently exists. We are spending millions and trillions of dollars every year to try and find cures, and crap. At the same time we are killing our babies and using birth control, and claiming that we need to stop overpopulation.
WHEN ARE PEOPLE GOING TO WAKE UP!
The cure to overpopulation is disease DUH! People need to stop looking for cures, and start investing in ways to make this world a better place for the people that are alive.
Yea its hard for people to say goodbye to friends and family. I understand that, if it wasn't for the medical field my mother, and grandfather would be dead now. But if we want to not destroy our planet we need to accept the fact that diseases have a place and a purpose and that is for population control.
Anybody that has studied biology, or ecology at all knows that when any animal population reaches its maximum sustainable threshold 3 things can happen. A. Disease spreads rapidly and reduces the population, B. food and water are in limited supply and the population is reduced through starvation/dehydration, or C. Predators populations increase and reduce the prey population.
In the human population we obviously don't have to worry about C. (predators). So the only way that we can reduce our population is disease or starvation. We have fought tooth and nail against disease almost to the point that its affect on the human population is negligible. Starvation is happening but also because of genetic manipulation, and other scientific advances, we have reduced its affect to a small amount.
So now what will happen to the human population. We will become so large we destroy our Earth and in the end ourselves. Or an incredible unstoppable disease/virus makes its way to the human population and wipes out everyone.
Liberals are so 2 faced, on one side they say have an abortion and help stop overpopulation. At the same time the other side is saying lets support stem cell research to help save people from dieing.
They say kill your babies, and help stop overpopulation. While the other side is saying stop the war because people might get killed.
WTF?
Yea because that makes sense.
WHEN ARE PEOPLE GOING TO WAKE UP!
The cure to overpopulation is disease DUH! People need to stop looking for cures, and start investing in ways to make this world a better place for the people that are alive.
Yea its hard for people to say goodbye to friends and family. I understand that, if it wasn't for the medical field my mother, and grandfather would be dead now. But if we want to not destroy our planet we need to accept the fact that diseases have a place and a purpose and that is for population control.
Anybody that has studied biology, or ecology at all knows that when any animal population reaches its maximum sustainable threshold 3 things can happen. A. Disease spreads rapidly and reduces the population, B. food and water are in limited supply and the population is reduced through starvation/dehydration, or C. Predators populations increase and reduce the prey population.
In the human population we obviously don't have to worry about C. (predators). So the only way that we can reduce our population is disease or starvation. We have fought tooth and nail against disease almost to the point that its affect on the human population is negligible. Starvation is happening but also because of genetic manipulation, and other scientific advances, we have reduced its affect to a small amount.
So now what will happen to the human population. We will become so large we destroy our Earth and in the end ourselves. Or an incredible unstoppable disease/virus makes its way to the human population and wipes out everyone.
Liberals are so 2 faced, on one side they say have an abortion and help stop overpopulation. At the same time the other side is saying lets support stem cell research to help save people from dieing.
They say kill your babies, and help stop overpopulation. While the other side is saying stop the war because people might get killed.
WTF?
Yea because that makes sense.
It would seem you are a more intelligent conservative than those who would stop abortion because of "Go forth and multiply." What do you think about abortion then?
And about the overpopulation: We could try and stop this through colonization, as then one disease couldn't 'planet hop,' and then hopefully any self-destructive planet cannot affect the others.
And about the overpopulation: We could try and stop this through colonization, as then one disease couldn't 'planet hop,' and then hopefully any self-destructive planet cannot affect the others.
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