http://us.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/11/underage.sex.pact.ap/index.html
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MUSKEGON HEIGHTS, Michigan (AP) -- A woman who feared she would lose her boyfriend while she recuperated from surgery arranged for her 15-year-old daughter to have sex with him, authorities said.
Police said the three signed an agreement specifying the sexual services the girl would perform and the compensation she would receive, including clothing and body piercings. The 37-year-old man and the girl had sex about 20 times over two months, police said.
"It's incredible that any parent would be involved in such a blatant case of abuse against her own daughter," prosecutor Tony Tague told The Muskegon Chronicle for a story published Thursday. |
Mirror mirror on the wall which one of them is the sickest of all? The mom who doesn't want to lose her boyfriend so she gives him the daughter as a sex servant, the boyfriend who goes in on the deal or the daughter who becomes a ****** for clothing and body piercing. That's revolting. Talk about bad parenting. meh.
How long before that family is on Springer....or Howard Stern? The good old midwest and family values, ya just can't beat 'em!
It would be a mightly cold day in you know where before I traded my daughter off for a buch of affectations. Just goes to show that some people don't deserve parenthood, yeah I know sometimes it happens by accident, or carelessness, but if you can't love the child and treat them well....there are many people out there that can not have children, and will provide for them. Adoption is always an alternative.
well, it IS Michigan.. the land of the mullet.. but yeah, that's really messed up
Apparently the woman was recovering from surgery and couldn’t have sex so in order to keep her man she offered her daughter to tide him over, an example of selfishness on the part of the man and desperation on the part of the woman.
The man and woman also where trading his daughter’s mind and body for cigarettes.
The meaning of sexuality within that household must have been very odd.
| JoeFriday wrote: |
| well, it IS Michigan.. the land of the mullet.. but yeah, that's really messed up |
I'm from Michigan, thanks.
I don't think its indicative of any lack of morals in Michigan. Now if it was Florida, I would just say, hey, its florida! I think some people are just insane. Normally they come one per family, at the most, unless if you live in a place where the homes in your neighbourhood have/had wheels. Now when two insane people hook up, this sort of mess happens. I feel really sorry for the poor kid! She is now officially screwed up for life!
I don't think is a lack of morals (well of course it is), but not geared towards any one state, or country for that matter. This may, or may not have been the first time we have heard of it, but I am sure it is more frequent than any of us care admit....these people just got caught. Child abuse, no matter how old the child, is a rampart, and growing problem in all countries.
Please let's not single out one particular state or country for this problem....it's all over the place.
Lack of morals. Reflects new age parenting. VERY BAD!!!
Can people fall any lower? Looks like we have lost all humanity inside us. Too materialistic this whole world seems to be.
And people think it's only in the middle east, arab countries, muslim communities that such things occurr.
Isn't the US supposed to be civilised? But of course no one will remember this. Only the women and daughters who are protected by their religion are supposed to be oppressed.
It happens everywhere. And it's sicker than words can express.
my apologies to any normal Michigan folk.. as I'm sure there are plenty.. but I've run into quite an abundance of rednecks from Michigan
| JoeFriday wrote: |
| my apologies to any normal Michigan folk.. as I'm sure there are plenty.. but I've run into quite an abundance of rednecks from Michigan |
"Normal" people live everywhere, to classify only the people you have had a chance to meet kinda makes you a "Redneck" also.
@Soulfire....sorry, I had to say something. I lived in the Southern states and I met alot of people who could be classified as "Rednecks", but the vast majority were not.
@JoeFriday
I think I can speak for most here when I say..."apology accepted".
Peace. | jipmerite wrote: |
And people think it's only in the middle east, arab countries, muslim communities that such things occurr.
Isn't the US supposed to be civilised? But of course no one will remember this. Only the women and daughters who are protected by their religion are supposed to be oppressed. |
WTF? Only in Arab countries that such things occur? Excuse me, but when the gkjgfg was the last time you heard about a woman giving her daughter to her boyfriend in an Arab/Muslim country? You're making it seem like it's normal in this part of the world or something. That's seriously retarded.
1. A woman wouldn't openly have a "boyfriend" in a conservative Arab country.
2. Women aren't open about sexuality here.
3. It's sick EVERYWHERE to have your daughter sleep with your partner because you couldn't.
4. Body piercings aren't popular here.
Don't screw with where I'm from. | freecitizen wrote: |
| Don't screw with where I'm from. |
It seems perfectly alright to mess with someone elses country if they don't prescribe to your particular way of life? I am not saying that the behavior outlined in this topic is common place in your country. Practice what you preach, or your just another hypocrite. For the record I agree with much you had to say....till that last line.
With all the US bashing going on I think it rather nervy to say something of that nature.
That aside, may we please show a bit of decorum here and get back to to the original topic....it has nothing to do with anybodies country, it has to do with child abuse...plain and simple.i was also obviously kidding with the Florida comment I made above. But I agree with Vrythramax that we should look at this for what it is: two friggin sickos taking adavantage of a youngster for their own selfish needs. It is not reflective of American society and or any other society for that matter. This could have happened anywhere! Now when people seriously genralisre a whole group of people based on the actions of a few, that to me is dumb ignorance. No society on earth (that I know of) believes in this sort of behaviour.
I have to say I agrre with lyndonray.
These people are a trio comprising of a bad mother, a badly brought up child and a peodophile.
We should focus on prevention of this sort of thing in every country and culture.
The more I read of this sort of thing though, the more I wonder why some people are ever allowed ot have children let alone raise them...
I Wonder what sort of children the daughter will raise if she ever has children of her own.
Personally I think every pedophile should have his "stuff" cut off, maybe then they wouldn't be so inclined to hurt anyone.
Kids are a gift, a joy, I could never understand why some people want to hurt them 
Just my opinion. yeah man, forget all that stuff about generalizing about a group... that article was disturbing man. that's a f*cked up way to treat your kid, wherever you are. don't people normally want to beat the piss out of older men for having sex with their daughter instead of using them as a tool to keep their boyfriend?
These are the stories that get me very angry and upset. Putting your boyfriend in front of your own child. I think there should be some harsh punishment just for her ignorance!!!!
That is just sick. In my humble opinion the mother should never have been released on bond she is just as guilty for it happening as her boyfriend. I would have no mercy for either stripping them both of their goods.. Sexual assault on children or anyone else for that matter needs to be dealt with swiftly and severely. That article made me sick to my stomach.
~Scorp wow! Just when you think that the human cesspool couldn't get any lower ... it does.
JERRY!! JERRY!! JERRY!!
sick sick indeed... I saw this on one of the various news sites I read, but never bothered posting..
Now, the psychology of it.. the daughter might be one of those that think they are falsely in love with the boyfriend anyway. So she could be looking for a way to make him love her... It wouldn't be her fault. It's the parents taking advantage of this.. many young girls get crushes on older men - teachers especially, but also any older man in their life.
So the mother or the man? Who's worse? Well who suggested it? It doesn't really matter. The other should have freaked out and ditched whoever suggested it once it came up...
The woman is crazy and the man is a pediophile. I pity the child immensly. She'll never be able to live this **** down.
You really don't know how easy it is to take advantage of young people. I place no fault whatsoever in her for it. She's not a ***** - whatever you meant by that diverden. She was horribly used/abuse/etc. It's statitory rape - there's a reason statitory is called rape... whether they agree to it or not, they're not at an age where they really realize what's going on...
Poor girl, I say. Castarate the man, lock the woman up, get theraphy for the poor girl.
| wowz wrote: |
JERRY!! JERRY!! JERRY!!
sick sick indeed... I saw this on one of the various news sites I read, but never bothered posting..
Now, the psychology of it.. the daughter might be one of those that think they are falsely in love with the boyfriend anyway. So she could be looking for a way to make him love her... It wouldn't be her fault. It's the parents taking advantage of this.. many young girls get crushes on older men - teachers especially, but also any older man in their life.
So the mother or the man? Who's worse? Well who suggested it? It doesn't really matter. The other should have freaked out and ditched whoever suggested it once it came up...
The woman is crazy and the man is a pediophile. I pity the child immensly. She'll never be able to live this **** down.
You really don't know how easy it is to take advantage of young people. I place no fault whatsoever in her for it. She's not a ***** - whatever you meant by that diverden. She was horribly used/abuse/etc. It's statitory rape - there's a reason statitory is called rape... whether they agree to it or not, they're not at an age where they really realize what's going on...
Poor girl, I say. Castarate the man, lock the woman up, get theraphy for the poor girl. |
I agree totally, but alas the statuary laws vary from state to state in this country (the US), for example in my state you must be 18 before legally engaging in sexual activity, but in Tenn. you only have to be 14. I'm sorry but I don't think a child of 14, 15 or even 16 can make the rational descions required for a sexual relationship.
I also feel nothing but sympathy for the girl...makes you wonder what her upbringing was. Poor kid
Any thoughts Scorp?interesting.... weird how three of them could have agreed to this. I don't know else to say, but the three them sound pretty messed up to me.
So, who gets the blame. The mother, the daughter or the boyfriend? whos fault? ....interesting
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interesting.... weird how three of them could have agreed to this. I don't know else to say, but the three them sound pretty messed up to me.
So, who gets the blame. The mother, the daughter or the boyfriend? whos fault? ....interesting |
Interesting point of view...but can you really hold a child responsible for being molested?I'm gonna play devil's advocate...........lol
Actually, that's kinda hard to do, cuz I wouldnt think of condoning this for anything......
But, for those that keep making the comment "taking advantage of the daughter".....
As wrong as the situation was, nobody was taken advantage of. A 15 yr old girl is old enough to have her own mind, and I dont think she was taken advantage of at all.
With the fact that she entered into a signed agreement, and had sex over 20 times in two months, that tells me that she had no problem having a sexual relationship with the guy.
Hell, from the girls standpoint, how many girls (daughters) will get the green light from their parents, to have sex as much as they wanted. Plus she was getting "incentive bonuses"........
There was an actual discussion and a "contract" signing to implement this crap...........
I think the topic here isn't more about sexual abuse.........I think it's more about sexual morality and what we're teaching our kids.
Personally, I like Gene Simmon's views on his daughter dating..........
Daughter: Daddy, when will I be old enough to date?
Gene Simmons: No!
*Edit* One more thing..... you have to take into account the intelligence of the people involved.........for example....how stupid is it that because there was a "contract" signed, that it supercedes the law. I can't think of any other reason that they would have developed a signed agreement about this, except to try and circumvent any legal action.
i can't believe this...
it's very very bad parenting 
I'm having a bit of trouble with the rationality displayed...this is not "devils advocy" we are talking about. Apparently you have no children of your own....or you would NEVER take such a stance. A 15 year old girl, or boy for that matter, can not make the mature descions you speak of. I believe this girl was used....and no matter what kind of "spin" you want to put on it....it was/is just plain wrong...and illegal.
Just a thought, what if it was a 7 year old girl was forced to have sex every day for 2 months....is that right in your estimation...if not, why?
That woman probobly has no feelings for her daughter. It was extermely selfish of her and she should be ashamed. The trouble is-people like that never learn their lesson.... 
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I'm having a bit of trouble with the rationality displayed...this is not "devils advocy" we are talking about. Apparently you have no children of your own....or you would NEVER take such a stance. A 15 year old girl, or boy for that matter, can not make the mature descions you speak of. I believe this girl was used....and no matter what kind of "spin" you want to put on it....it was/is just plain wrong...and illegal.
Just a thought, what if it was a 7 year old girl was forced to have sex every day for 2 months....is that right in your estimation...if not, why? |
You seriously need to actually READ what youre reading. At no point did I ever say I agreed or condoned what happened in that family.......in fact, I said I would never condone something like that.
In further fact, my post was about the daughter being to blame as much as anyone else. Nobody was taken advantage of. That is my viewpoint on it after reading the story, and being from Michigan, I've been able to read more of the story than just posted here.
And as a matter of fact, I have two children of my own. So dont make judgements about people you dont know.
As a moderator, I would assume that you would actually read the posts that you're going to comment towards.
Furthermore, who said anything remotely concerning maturity was involved here? With 12 year old girls getting pregnant every day in this world, it is not such a stretch to believe that this 15 year old girl wholeheartedly agreed to this contract and the sexual actions involved.
Just the incentive bonuses and the amount of sexual relations between her and the boyfriend should be evidence of that.
When I post on topics of this serious of a nature, I do not post unintelligently. Mark me on that.Wow that very bad. I find it ironic that they had a written document about the agreement. What were they afraid of? Getting sUed?
Anyways poor girl but it sounds like she was willing to do it. I wonder what will happen to the girl now considering the BF will go to jail for statutory rape and the mother might loose her too for contributing to the deliquincy of a minor.
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| As wrong as the situation was, nobody was taken advantage of. A 15 yr old girl is old enough to have her own mind, and I dont think she was taken advantage of at all. |
Do a few courses in psychology, step back to when you were that old (if you're much older now... if you're 16 or 17 it won't really work...)
They really don't know. She really isn't old enough to have her own mind. This is why the laws are what they are - it is statitory rape. She doesn't understand how this will affect her in the future - no one told her. She doesn't understand much more than material goods - which is how they used her. A child understand free popsicles, but doesn't understand future therapy. They don't have the concept of future well enough...
A kid can't leave home til they're 16 (some exceptions apply of course), nor can they have sex til then (in my country). Parent can't kick them out of the house til 18.
Because they are kids...
You think you know when you're 15... and many people think a 15 year old has sense enough to know... but they really don't. I'm sorry.
Whether she agreed to it or not isn't the point. She signed the contact yes.. but that means nothing. I can have a 8 year old sign a contract and he not understand what it entails or it's ramifications... I mean, really. Just because she knew the words, doesn't mean she understands. She might think she does. You might. And yes, 12 year olds do get pregnant, but then, I've heard of a 9 year old getting pregnant too... that just means they are capable... their bodies can do this... doesn't mean they should or understand anything about it.
"if there's grass on the field, play ball" - makes me sick really.. body might be mature, but the mind is not
She was taken advantage of pure and simple. They appealed to her childish wants. The mother is horrible.. I wouldn't even consider her a mother. The boyfriend is a pedophile. They should both be locked up.
The child needs a new home. She can't face people that know her after this.. not now that she'll be made aware of what happened...
BTW... 15... not legal adult.. contract doesn't work, not legally binding (this is why kids can't get cell phone contracts in their names! This is why kids can't sign up for movie clubs without being 18!)
IMO, this is 100% rape, child molestation, etc.@ Vandalyzed, @ Max
I actually have to agree with Vand. in that this is not an issue of child abuse, but of sexual morality. A daughter of any age effectively prostituting herself, for goods/privileges, for the sake of a mother… is wrong.
"Too cruel", wether she had been 15 or 20.
I have to say, as a 15 year old girl myself, that by now she would be more than capable of understanding what was going on.
She may have been used and/or manipulated, but in no more a way than if she had been eighteen or older.
She may have been slower at psychological maturation than others, how-ever this cannot be indicative of age as there are many who never grow-up.
In terms of not having maturity enough to handle a sexual relationship - most of "us" have had sex by 15 "now-a-days". We have boyfriends, we have casual sex. A hundred or so years ago we were bearing children - 15 is the prime age for child-bearing.
Sexual innuendo surrounds us, and our school's pump us full of information to help us deal with it.
Unless she was pressured into it, the girl is as much at fault for contractually entering the agreement as either of the adults…
If all were fair and equal and she was made to feel she had every right to back out… If it was free of emotional blackmail from her mother… Etcetera.
On the same token, any one of them could be most at fault. The man for forcing that option as the only option, the mother if it were her own desperate idea, the daughter if she had manifested the situation over a pre-existing “interest” in the man… etcetera.
And @ wowz, “children” grow out of the “black-and-white” faze by about the age of 10.
No-matter where you look in history, child-hood has never extended further than 11, or possibly 13, years of age. There didn’t even used to be teen-agers. At 11 or 13 children automatically became adults.
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I have to say, as a 15 year old girl myself, that by now she would be more than capable of understanding what was going on.
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Thanks, Jess. I was going to reply to what he had to say, but then saw your post, and being that you're 15, I couldnt make the point any better than you can.All of this reasserts my belief that people should have to get a license to have kids 
Nothing major, mind you, but consider you need a license to:
A) Hunt / Fish
B) Drive a car
C) Fly a plane
and numerous other things. Hell, make sure the person is capable! I've seen far too many 'mothers' living in front of grocery stores with 12 kids in the back of their Oldsmobile-ripoff. I went to school with some of them. They didn't deserve that! | Vandalyzed wrote: |
| blackheart wrote: | I have to say, as a 15 year old girl myself, that by now she would be more than capable of understanding what was going on.
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Thanks, Jess. I was going to reply to what he had to say, but then saw your post, and being that you're 15, I couldnt make the point any better than you can. |
No thanks required, it was just my point of view.
It did occur to me (how-ever) that my perspective/perception may be distorted, for that same reason...lol....... Well, maybe, but I have to say not.
I mean it's like this.......how many 15 yr olds are in these forums, and they make a post........ Their posts aren't questioned and dismissed because they're only 15 and they're not old enough or mature enough to know what they're talking about.
A young person may be easily swayed or influenced, but.........not old enough to understand? I dont buy that.
I am impressed with you honesty and courage to express such views Vandalyzed and I agree with you entirely.
I had left home and was working at the age of sixteen. I am not saying I was fully mature or never made bad desicions but who can ever say that. I still make bad desicions at 4*, don't ask me my age thank you. 
As I have mentioned in another post tonight, I grew up in a country and environment where everything was just roses.
I later learnt that the world is not like that.
I thought we had the "right" to be children untill we reached 19 or maybe 20, even though I had to work at 16.
I have since seen that what I grew up in was a bit of a dream world.
Where I live now many children leave school at 12 to 14 years of age. Some to help their parents earn money, others to get married and take the burden of feeding them from their parents.
This is not a wonderful situation, but it is all they know and they actually have no trauma or phsycological problems because of it.
I have met 15 year olds who are more mature than some 30 year olds and I believe that is the case in any society.
I agree, here they sometimes have no choice, but who does? only the lucky few.
I would rather have gone to university and had fun for a few more years but that is life, make the most of what you are given.
The situation concerned is indeed a sad thing, but I'm sure all parties understood and agreed to what they were doing, at least according to the information as it was presented. It would be great if childhood could last untill we were all so mature that we understood the consequences of all our decisions, but then we may still be children untill 100 years old or more. We get smarter and better able to make good desicions as we grow older and more mature, but there is no "age" that delineates between childhood and adulthood. It is a continually advancing process. Many societies consider the attainment of puberty to indicate that a child has progressed to sexual maturity. Standards vary from culture to culture, they also vary from individual to individual.
So to judge these people so harshly is really a measure of immaturity as we do not know the circumstances which caused them to come to such a place in their lives. And it is only in the modern, developed world that children have ever had the right or even opportunity to hang on to childhood for so long.
Do not get me wrong. I am not condoning this behaviour, but nor will I condemn those people on such little information.
If they knowingly broke the law then they should recieve punishment, but not condemnnation. I appreciate the compliment. Opinions and Viewpoints should be expressed (when asked).
If someone didnt ask if slavery was wrong, nobody would have expressed their viewpoints and we might still have slavery today, right?
That's probably an overdramatic example, but it's by expressing viewpoints and opinions that changes to society begin to happen.
What happened there was sick, to be sure, but you have to take into account the lack of education or knowledge these people had, especially to think that a self drawn (and I"m betting unnotarized) contract would supercede the law.
So, with that, I do agree with everyone here. Make no mistake. But I just disagree with the concept of "taking advantage and who did what to whom".
I think it's a great topic for debate, which is why I keep checking and posting in here. It's a prime example of the loss of morals today within a family unit.
I am not sure who said it, but there is a quote......... "It only takes a thought to move a mountain". So, I dont mind the objections I've had to my posts in this thread. It creates a great discussion.
its totally warped and sick to ever do that to your child.
if the man really cared about her, he would have stayed with her no matter what.
anyway how old was the daughter, it doesn't say
Why can't all mothers do that? Now that's real love! Wish my girlfriend's mother was that cool.
This is not bad parenting, this is a f***ing sickness. I still cannot believe this thing, it's completely messed up.
i think its not just sick, its more like socially exploiting peoples, don't they deserve a more moral punishment? (generally talking)
yeah, she isn totally sick(mother)
I can believe this has happened, but I am revolted by it. I mean....SICK DUDE!!! I myself am 15, and wouldn't want my parents to do that ^^ THough, I know they'd ńever do it.....right? Right, guys? Errr.... 
yeah, those sickos must be mentally deranged
like ur sig nox-hand
The page is no longer avaiable.
try getting a google cache or a cache off the way back machine.
Can sex makes him stay? I mean you can get sex easily form anywhere. I think the mother is being irrational by spoiling the child's future.
I really wonder sometimes what goes through these peoples heads. Like how sick do you have to be to make your 15 year old daughter have sex with your boyfriend just to keep him as your boyfriend.
I bet you they don't last another year together.
Something like this can happen anywhere. And I feel bad for the little girl who was forced upon to do something she didn't want by her mother.
Things like this a sick and something that sad to say happens all the time all over the world...
Does anyone know what happened to the older man how long is he in jail?
definately not the 1st i've read about. Sick indeed, parents treating their children like a piece of meat
Thats too much i can't believe this...The parent has to set example to kids.....here a bad parent is spoiling the life of kid......
Bad parenting
Mother ?? She must not be her mother - And probably she would be something else to that 15 year old girl, in the name of Mother.
And more over, why should that young girls accept that offer for useless compensation. Even the girl is to be blammed here.
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| Vrythramax wrote: | I'm having a bit of trouble with the rationality displayed...this is not "devils advocy" we are talking about. Apparently you have no children of your own....or you would NEVER take such a stance. A 15 year old girl, or boy for that matter, can not make the mature descions you speak of. I believe this girl was used....and no matter what kind of "spin" you want to put on it....it was/is just plain wrong...and illegal.
Just a thought, what if it was a 7 year old girl was forced to have sex every day for 2 months....is that right in your estimation...if not, why? |
You seriously need to actually READ what youre reading. At no point did I ever say I agreed or condoned what happened in that family.......in fact, I said I would never condone something like that.
In further fact, my post was about the daughter being to blame as much as anyone else. Nobody was taken advantage of. That is my viewpoint on it after reading the story, and being from Michigan, I've been able to read more of the story than just posted here.
And as a matter of fact, I have two children of my own. So dont make judgements about people you dont know.
As a moderator, I would assume that you would actually read the posts that you're going to comment towards.
Furthermore, who said anything remotely concerning maturity was involved here? With 12 year old girls getting pregnant every day in this world, it is not such a stretch to believe that this 15 year old girl wholeheartedly agreed to this contract and the sexual actions involved.
Just the incentive bonuses and the amount of sexual relations between her and the boyfriend should be evidence of that.
When I post on topics of this serious of a nature, I do not post unintelligently. Mark me on that. |
Good Reply That's completely sick. I can't even really take that seriously. It's too preposterous that someone would do that. For starters, why the hell would she even want the boyfriend back after he's been sleeping with her daughter?
Don't blame the kid though. Clearly she's been raised by an appalling lack of standards and is just acting accordingly. She would have been aware of what's going on, but she'd have a completely different perspective on the situation than someone who had been raised with a sense of morality.
Excuse me, but I'll be blunt.
A girl at the age of 15 is old enough to be a mother herself. It is only the society of the United States that has dictated that she has to be at least 18. Case in point, my mother married at 15 and had 9 children. One of my sisters married at 15 and had 3 children.
It's not the age that should be in question, but the maturity of the female involved. This blanket policy of someone under the age of 18 having sex is akin to military men not being able to drink until they're 21 but able to die at 17.
Perhaps I'm naive in assuming that the United States dictates morality more than any country I've ever been in.
@ RT Cunningham
America is a super power and has been for a long time which goes to show they are doing something right. If their society seems distorted and unfair/illogical to you you're probably no on your own but, when it comes to marriage and alcohol, activities/events which are only successful when the person involved is mature, I think the USA (and those with similar laws) is right. I will also be blunt, 15 is too young to be a mother. That is my opinion and it in now way reflects your situation. All I'm saying is that only a few years ago I was 15 and I never met a 15 year old fit to be a parent.
You are exactly right when you say that maturity is the measure of when a person is ready to be a parent but I'd say any attempt to avoid parenthood when under the age of 18 is a good move. It's not about being ready to be a parent, it's about enjoying a period of your life that is drastically different to anything you will ever experience again.
Well, luckily everyone is entitled to an opinion, even if we don't quite agree. I don't agree that maturity should be legislated, regardless of the circumstances. Especially since it's one-sided. Ever see an old fart driving in the slow lane of the freeway, 20 miles below the posted speed limit? They won't do anything about that because it might be called age discrimination. Yet, they do discriminate against young people... not only with matters of maturity, but monetary things like automotive insurance. Insurance did not cost much when it was voluntary. As soon as it was legislated into being mandatory, rates went sky high.
Ok, sorry, rant over.
@ RT Cunningham.
I don't disagree with a lot of what you're saying. I think that your views are slightly put out of context by your personal situation though.
If it's common for girls to be married by the time they hit 15 then society would be such that they would mature quicker and be better prepared to take on that kind of responsibility. It's only really since Victorian times that the West has set the present standards regarding sexual maturity that it presently has. No doubt that this was influenced in no small part by Christianity.
Anyway, it's not the age which really bothers me but the attitudes of all those involved (which clearly demonstrate a lack of maturity in even the mother, never mind the daughter). Like it or not, the situation was completely exploitative and does make me question just how selfish and materialistic we're becoming.
very bad parenting @ achowles
Don't get me wrong. I'm not condoning what the mother of the girl or the boyfriend or even what the daughter did. It was immoral and illegal to say the least. I was just pointing out that 15 is old enough to be a mother if the girl is mature enough. Of course, some might say I'm not mature enough at 45.
That is sick. How the hell could someone do that?! I actually think the daughter is the worst one for accepting the deal for some measly clothes and body piercings... Wow.
Just wow.
