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soulfire said: Christianity is the only religion that exists in some form in all 238 countries of the world. Every 24 hours, there are 69,000 new Christians, which makes it the fastest growing religion on earth. That being said, no - I was born Christian and remain Christian. For me, all the truths of life that I need are within Christianity, and I have found nothing wrong or irrelevant with it to this day. |
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swapnalokam said: I think loyal is correct in a way.. people who covert to christiansim because of faith is very less according to people who convert according to business.. and at the same rate they get out of the relegion.. they may remain christian on their certificate but they will return to the practices of their ancestors one period or another.. true belivers are very less in christiansim comparing to many other relegion.. in the chart you said christians are 33% of the population... I bet they are not all the same.. there is ... catholics, protestants.. and a ton of other groups with diffrent ideas.. and ready to cut throats of others.. fast growing and fast splitting is what I say about christainsim.. it is not as fast growing as you think.. either.. if I say Iam christian.. are you counting me in.. I don't think so.. I can assure you that not even 1% in this world are true christians.. NO OFFENSE TO ANY CHRISTIANS.. I AM SORRY IF YOU FELT SO |
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Subsonic Sound said: My conversion was simple enough - from a very early age I've had quite a scientific mind. I was taught tales like Jonah and the Whale, Noah's Ark, that kind of thing... and even as a little kid I'd question them - asking questions my teachers couldn't - or wouldn't explain. Didn't take long for me to lose faith in the religion. |
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The Islamic religion has a long history of myth making. The claim they are the fastest growing religion in the world is pure myth. We have collected the latest statistics from David A. Barrett’s huge two volume, "World Christian Encyclopedia", the 2001 AD edition. In case you haven’t heard of this work, it is the world standard for religious statistics. Muslim's claim that their growth rate is 235 percent and 47 percent for Christianity. This statistic came from the Readers Digest Almanac and Yearbook 1983, and represents 235 percent increase over 50 years. Muslims always leave off the 50 year fact to make it appear they are going 235% every year. A simple review of the readers Digest study shows that the growth rate of Islam vs. Christianity is directly linked to the birth rate in Third World countries where Islam dominates and not actual conversions to each religion. Christianity has always been larger than Islam. These statistics from Readers Digest are over 20 years old. Further, we do not consider readers digest to be an authority on such matters. Why will Muslims not quote real authoritative statistics from certified research groups who show Islam is not the fastest growing religion in 3/4’s of the worlds countries. There are over a billion Muslims in the world today, including 3 to 5 million in the U.S., making it the second most populous religion on earth after Christianity. According to some estimates, Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the world. (The Joy of Sects, Peter Occhigrosso, 1996, p394-397) Islam is the religion which has developed from the preaching and life of Muhammad, a citizen of the city of Mecca in Arabia, who early in the seventh century of the Christian Era appeared as a preacher of monotheism to his own people and founded a religious movement which today counts perhaps as many as 300,000,000 followers, mostly in the heat belt from Indonesia to Morocco. (Islam: Muhammad and His Religion, Arthur Jeffery, 1958, p xi-xiv) |
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From Table 1-1, there are 1.9 Billion Christians making up 31% of the world population, whereas there are only 1.2 Billion Muslims making up only 20% of the population. It seems that Allah's little trick by making Judas appear like Jesus, so Jesus could escape crucifixion and Judas was crucified in his place, kind of backfired, since 31% of the world's population never learned Allah played a trick and really believes that Jesus not only died, but was raised from the dead! This should be most troubling for Muslims to think that "Allah's deception" (Qur'an 4:156) actually became the world's largest religion! From Table 1-1, the relative growth rates of Islam to Christianity are compiled from data that ended the very year before the great terrorist attacks of 911 against the world trade towers in 2001 and the train bomb in Spain in 2004. Statisticians are predicting that Islamic motivated terrorism will last the decade and bring Islam into great disrepute with the world population. This will have a very strong dampening effect on the long term predicted Islamic growth rates for the years 2025 and 2050. From Table 1-1 you can see that the world growth rate of Muslims is 2.13, and for Christians it is 1.36. A closer look reveals, however that the birth rate of Muslims world wide, is literally double that of Christians. This is due to the fact that Muslims are largest in the developing world where dirt floors, thatched roofs and large families are common. When you the actual conversion rate, where men chose their religion, rather then are born into it, you can see that Christians are converting, on a percentage basis, almost twice as many as Muslims (1.7:1). This means that individual Christians are out converting Muslims almost two to one! What this means, is that as third world Muslim controlled countries gain the advantages of education and technology found in the Western world, their birth rate will drop off to match that of the West, but Christians will still continue to out convert them at a rate of 1.7:1. Total adherents New from conversion Number of adherents to make one new convert: Muslims 1,188,242,789 865,558 1,372 Christians 1,999,563,838 2,501,396 799 From Table 1-1 you can see that while Muslims claim they are the fastest growing religion in the world (2.13), the statistics say that Baha'is are growing at a faster rate (2.2  and faster still are Zoroastrians (2.65).
From Table 1-1 regarding world distribution, you can see that Islam is only in 204 of the worlds 238 countries. Christianity, on the other hand is in all 238 countries of the world. Christianity has a 100% penetration rate world wide! From Table 1-2, you can see that presently every 24 hours, the world population of Christians increases by 69,000, whereas there are only 68,000 Muslims. The only reason Muslims are anywhere near Christians is because of higher birth rates in the parts of the world where Muslims are largest. The vast majority of the 69,000 Christians will be educated, whereas the majority of the 68,000 Muslims will be illiterate peasants without clean drinking water. From Table 1-4, you can see the relative growth rates of Christianity vs. Islam broken down into 6 continents. In each of the 6 continents, Christianity enjoys a wider distribution of countries. From Table 1-4 the continent "Africa" we observe that Christianity slightly larger but is growing at a much faster rate than Islam. Although the birth rates are about identical, individual Christians are making twice as many converts as Muslims. In the African continent, Christians are both the largest and fastest growing in relation to Islam. From Table 1-4 the continent "Asia" we observe that although Islam is 25% and Christianity is only 10% of the population, again Christianity is growing at a must fast rate. Even the Jews are growing at a faster rate (2.99) than the Muslims in Asia! While birth rates for Muslims are higher than Christians, individual Christians are 13 times more effective at making new converts than Muslims. In the Asian continent, Christians are growing faster than Muslims. From Table 1-4 the continent "Europe" we observe that while Muslims are growing faster than Christians, Buddhists claim the prize for the fastest growing religion at a rate of 1.39. Muslims make up only 5% of the population in Europe and most of the Muslim growth in Europe is from immigration. Although 77% of Europeans are Christians, Buddhists, not Muslims, are the fastest growing religion in the continent of Europe. From Table 1-4 the continent "Latin America" that we observe that while Muslims (1.99) are growing faster than Christians (1.63), they make up only 1/3 of 1% (.3%) of the population, whereas Christians are 92 % of the population. The down trend in Christianity conversion is mainly defects from Catholics to non-religious. It must be troubling for Muslims to know that although they are growing faster than Christians, Baha’is are growing much faster than Muslims at a rate of 2.87! In the Latin American continent, Christians make up 93% of the population. Although tiny Islam is fastest growing faster than Christianity, it is the Baha’is, who take the prize for fastest growing the Latin America. From Table 1-4 the continent "North America" we observe that while Muslims are growing faster than Christians, they make up only 4% of the population, whereas 84% are Christians. Most of the Muslim growth in North America is from immigration. Canada alone immigrates more Muslims apart from the USA, to account for almost all the growth in all of North America every year! It sure must be a hollow boast for Muslims to claim they are the fastest growing religion in North America, when it is because of the kindness and generosity of Christians who let them immigrate, often fleeing the persecution between hostile Muslim sects. There are still 50% more Jews in North America than Muslims in 2004. Muslims lie when they tell you they are the fastest growing (1.56) religion in North America. From Table 1-4, we can see that they are no better than 5th place in growth behind: Atheists (3.51), Hindus (3.13), Sikhs (2.81), Buddhists (2.75), Baha’is (2.25). We tire of the lies and myth making of Islamic spin doctors. Muslims claim they are the fastest growing religion in Canada, based upon the National Census: 1971: 33,000; 1981: 98,000; 1991: 253,000. But from Table 1-4 shows that there were less than 11,000 Muslims in Canada in 1900! Sure on a purely statistical basis, dividing the small initial numbers by those added by immigration, they come out on top, but that’s because of the kindness of the Christians who let them into their country! It is a myth that Muslims are converting any measurable numbers of non-Muslims. The most common reason somone converts to Islam is through marriage. These same individuals would have converted to be Jews or Christians, if that was their new spouses religion. From Table 1-4 the continent "Oceania" we observe that Christians represent 83% of the population and Muslims are a miniscule 1%.Yet the facts are that in Oceania, Muslims are indeed growing at a fast rate than Christians at 3.04. But the fastest growing religion is "new-religionists" at a staggering rate of 9.02, followed by Buddhists at 5.19, then Sikhs at 3.55, then Zoroastrians at 3.18. Muslims are no better than the 5th fastest growing religion in Oceania! |
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Introduction: The Islamic religion has a long history of myth making. The claim they are the fastest growing religion in the world is pure myth. We have collected the latest statistics from David A. Barrett’s huge two volume, "World Christian Encyclopedia", the 2001 AD edition. In case you haven’t heard of this work, it is the world standard for religious statistics. Muslim's claim that their growth rate is 235 percent and 47 percent for Christianity. This statistic came from the Readers Digest Almanac and Yearbook 1983, and represents 235 percent increase over 50 years. Muslims always leave off the 50 year fact to make it appear they are going 235% every year. A simple review of the readers Digest study shows that the growth rate of Islam vs. Christianity is directly linked to the birth rate in Third World countries where Islam dominates and not actual conversions to each religion. Christianity has always been larger than Islam. These statistics from Readers Digest are over 20 years old. Further, we do not consider readers digest to be an authority on such matters. Why will Muslims not quote real authoritative statistics from certified research groups who show Islam is not the fastest growing religion in 3/4’s of the worlds countries. There are over a billion Muslims in the world today, including 3 to 5 million in the U.S., making it the second most populous religion on earth after Christianity. According to some estimates, Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the world. (The Joy of Sects, Peter Occhigrosso, 1996, p394-397) From Table 1-1, the relative growth rates of Islam to Christianity are compiled from data that ended the very year before the great terrorist attacks of 911 against the world trade towers in 2001 and the train bomb in Spain in 2004. Statisticians are predicting that Islamic motivated terrorism will last the decade and bring Islam into great disrepute with the world population. This will have a very strong dampening effect on the long term predicted Islamic growth rates for the years 2025 and 2050. From Table 1-1 you can see that the world growth rate of Muslims is 2.13, and for Christians it is 1.36. A closer look reveals, however that the birth rate of Muslims world wide, is literally double that of Christians. This is due to the fact that Muslims are largest in the developing world where dirt floors, thatched roofs and large families are common. When you the actual conversion rate, where men chose their religion, rather then are born into it, you can see that Christians are converting, on a percentage basis, almost twice as many as Muslims (1.7:1). This means that individual Christians are out converting Muslims almost two to one! What this means, is that as third world Muslim controlled countries gain the advantages of education and technology found in the Western world, their birth rate will drop off to match that of the West, but Christians will still continue to out convert them at a rate of 1.7:1. Total adherents New from conversion Number of adherents to make one new convert: Muslims 1,188,242,789 865,558 1,372 Christians 1,999,563,838 2,501,396 799 From Table 1-1 you can see that while Muslims claim they are the fastest growing religion in the world (2.13), the statistics say that Baha'is are growing at a faster rate (2.2Cool and faster still are Zoroastrians (2.65). From Table 1-1 regarding world distribution, you can see that Islam is only in 204 of the worlds 238 countries. Christianity, on the other hand is in all 238 countries of the world. Christianity has a 100% penetration rate world wide! From Table 1-2, you can see that presently every 24 hours, the world population of Christians increases by 69,000, whereas there are only 68,000 Muslims. The only reason Muslims are anywhere near Christians is because of higher birth rates in the parts of the world where Muslims are largest. The vast majority of the 69,000 Christians will be educated, whereas the majority of the 68,000 Muslims will be illiterate peasants without clean drinking water. From Table 1-4, you can see the relative growth rates of Christianity vs. Islam broken down into 6 continents. In each of the 6 continents, Christianity enjoys a wider distribution of countries. From Table 1-4 the continent "Africa" we observe that Christianity slightly larger but is growing at a much faster rate than Islam. Although the birth rates are about identical, individual Christians are making twice as many converts as Muslims. In the African continent, Christians are both the largest and fastest growing in relation to Islam. From Table 1-4 the continent "Asia" we observe that although Islam is 25% and Christianity is only 10% of the population, again Christianity is growing at a must fast rate. Even the Jews are growing at a faster rate (2.99) than the Muslims in Asia! While birth rates for Muslims are higher than Christians, individual Christians are 13 times more effective at making new converts than Muslims. In the Asian continent, Christians are growing faster than Muslims. From Table 1-4 the continent "Europe" we observe that while Muslims are growing faster than Christians, Buddhists claim the prize for the fastest growing religion at a rate of 1.39. Muslims make up only 5% of the population in Europe and most of the Muslim growth in Europe is from immigration. Although 77% of Europeans are Christians, Buddhists, not Muslims, are the fastest growing religion in the continent of Europe. From Table 1-4 the continent "Latin America" that we observe that while Muslims (1.99) are growing faster than Christians (1.63), they make up only 1/3 of 1% (.3%) of the population, whereas Christians are 92 % of the population. The down trend in Christianity conversion is mainly defects from Catholics to non-religious. It must be troubling for Muslims to know that although they are growing faster than Christians, Baha’is are growing much faster than Muslims at a rate of 2.87! In the Latin American continent, Christians make up 93% of the population. Although tiny Islam is fastest growing faster than Christianity, it is the Baha’is, who take the prize for fastest growing the Latin America. From Table 1-4 the continent "North America" we observe that while Muslims are growing faster than Christians, they make up only 4% of the population, whereas 84% are Christians. Most of the Muslim growth in North America is from immigration. Canada alone immigrates more Muslims apart from the USA, to account for almost all the growth in all of North America every year! It sure must be a hollow boast for Muslims to claim they are the fastest growing religion in North America, when it is because of the kindness and generosity of Christians who let them immigrate, often fleeing the persecution between hostile Muslim sects. There are still 50% more Jews in North America than Muslims in 2004. Muslims lie when they tell you they are the fastest growing (1.56) religion in North America. From Table 1-4, we can see that they are no better than 5th place in growth behind: Atheists (3.51), Hindus (3.13), Sikhs (2.81), Buddhists (2.75), Baha’is (2.25). We tire of the lies and myth making of Islamic spin doctors. Muslims claim they are the fastest growing religion in Canada, based upon the National Census: 1971: 33,000; 1981: 98,000; 1991: 253,000. But from Table 1-4 shows that there were less than 11,000 Muslims in Canada in 1900! Sure on a purely statistical basis, dividing the small initial numbers by those added by immigration, they come out on top, but that’s because of the kindness of the Christians who let them into their country! It is a myth that Muslims are converting any measurable numbers of non-Muslims. The most common reason somone converts to Islam is through marriage. These same individuals would have converted to be Jews or Christians, if that was their new spouses religion. From Table 1-4 the continent "Oceania" we observe that Christians represent 83% of the population and Muslims are a miniscule 1%.Yet the facts are that in Oceania, Muslims are indeed growing at a fast rate than Christians at 3.04. But the fastest growing religion is "new-religionists" at a staggering rate of 9.02, followed by Buddhists at 5.19, then Sikhs at 3.55, then Zoroastrians at 3.18. Muslims are no better than the 5th fastest growing religion in Oceania! In conclusion: 1) There are more Christians added to the world each day than any other religion. The fact is that today, Christianity is the fastest growing religion. That's not to say it couldn't change, but for now, Christianity takes that prize of fastest growing. 2) Islam is not the fastest growing religion on any of the 6 inhabited continents. 3) Islam isn't the fastest growing religion, and only appears to be on the surface with deceptive facts. I'm not denying that Islam is a large world-religion, I mean, the quotes above make it clear that Islam is the world's second largest religion, but the same arguments can be made back and forth. If you say that "well, those people say they are Christian, but don't really follow it" that argument can simply be changed to "well, those people say that they are Muslims, but don't really follow Islam." From Table 1-1, there are 1.9 Billion Christians making up 31% of the world population, whereas there are only 1.2 Billion Muslims making up only 20% of the population. It seems that Allah's little trick by making Judas appear like Jesus, so Jesus could escape crucifixion and Judas was crucified in his place, kind of backfired, since 31% of the world's population never learned Allah played a trick and really believes that Jesus not only died, but was raised from the dead! This should be most troubling for Muslims to think that "Allah's deception" (Qur'an 4:156) actually became the world's largest religion! http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-myths-fastest-growing.htm (Source of Quotes and reworded conclusion) |
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It is the Christians who do not believe in Allah's trick. If you read the bible you will know that after the cruci-fiction Jesus came among his followes and when they were afraid, saying it was a ghost, Jesus told them to feel his flesh and see that he is not a Spirit. Christians now stubbornly refuse to acknowlege the teaching and history of Jesus in order to uphold the fictional concept of the Trinity. |
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Trying to prove that Islam is growing faster because "Muslims are largest in the developing world where dirt floors, thatched roofs and large families" is really lame because whether Islam is growing due to converts or due to a growth of population inside the Islamic community, scientifically followers of Islam is still growing and apparantly, faster than Christianity. But obviously Chrsiatianity has reason to be a faster growing religion, given it's large Missionary movement. Islam does not have a huge network of people going to unheard of remote places and converting them from their traditional beliefs. It is funny that despite these missionaries going as far as to go to Arab countries, wearing Hijab and acting like Muslims and slowing trying to mislead the people, in the world Islam is still growing faster. |
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I don't hate Islam, I'm just sick of people saying that it's the fastest growing religion when in reality, it's not. |
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Perhaps the people, the terrorists, who "follow" Islam have (unfortunately) made a name for Islam - and a bad name at that. Let's look at it like this: Imagine if people who claimed to follow Christianity flew the airplanes into the twin towers on September 11, 2001. |
.. just kiddin.. you guys go ahead.. Iam listening..
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damn... people are trying to prove which one grows much larger... this seems actually funny for me.. hey any hindus here... should we get in... we are one sixth of the whole population anybody know that.. since hinduism is the way of life... every single body in indian sub continent is defined as a hindu.. including pakistan, bangladesh, nepal, parts of tibet and srilanka.. hey... since we are one sixth of the world can we get in this argument... Wink Wink .. just kiddin.. you guys go ahead.. Iam listening.. |
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but one personal opinion though.. I do not belive in bible completely.. as you said.. noah flood was a city not the entire world.. I heard one time the logical explanation of the 10 plagues by moses.. I do not remember it completely.. but I can give what remains in my brain.. (I forgot the river name..) the river flooded into nile.. causing the level of (a kind of) bacterias to rise.. turning the water to red and killing fishes.. which caused frogs to escape to land.. attracting some kind of flies.. ( belive it is the order) infection causing all animals to die.. since.. most of eldest son where on the field (they are incharge) they died of infection too.. (it was exageration that all first born died).. apparently... the stone showering.. was a result of some volcanic eruption.. |
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ok guys.. this is all I got.. damn.. I wish I was good at argument.. why do I keep forgetting stuff... but I know for damn sure.. there are misinterpretations, and exagerations a lot.. like.. the mis translation of "yam suph" the word " Yam suph" the point where mosess crossed the water.. "Yam suph" means "sea reads" which was mis translated as Red Sea by greeks.. and stuff like that.. there is a lot of them in bible... No offense guys.. but that is the truth... so I hope somebody is gonna comment me hard on this... thanks.. |
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Extremists, barbarians, fundamentalits, terrorists, Just few of the first words that come to mind when one hears of Islam, Muslims, Arabs, Middle East. The questions is not whether Islam is the fastest growing religion. The real question, the one not many want to ask, is WHY are so many Christians opting to leave their religion of Grace, forgiveness, sophistication, moderation, tolerance and change over to this 'backward' belief that is Islam. This despite the huge Anti-Islamic propaganda of misinformation against Islam. WHY? |
Lol i am kidding. so Iam sure we will not go back.. you can't convert from hindusim.. unless.. you move out to other european countires.. you can't live like romans in india.. right? so you can't convert to another idea and still live in India.. when we migrate to other countries we are trying not to go out of hinduism.. "no matter what relegion you are.. you can be a good hindu in india.." | Quote: |
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Trilobites, one of the oldest living species, appeared 530 million years ago. Their eyes represent the first visual system in the world. These eyes, with their extremely sophisticated and flawless design, deal a fatal blow to the claim of the theory of evolution that "Life evolved from primitive to advanced forms". |
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irreducible design is NOT and argument against evolution. i amnot even going to be drawn into a debate with someone of faith, i cannot argue with you. |
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If Athiesm is a belief that there is no God, can it be called a religion at all? Isn't athiesm a complete lack of religion? And if so, can someone be converted into a religion that is a complete lack of religion?! Confusing.... |
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No idea lol. But lots of atheists are similar. That's why people tend to group them. The two main types of atheists as far as religious people are concerned are the type that does not want to look at what religion has to offer and the type that does not know what religion has to offer. |
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Most of them have already looked at what it has to offer, and they've come to one of several conclusions, the only common point being that they decide to not believe in a god or gods. People who haven't given it any thought at all rarely call themselves atheist. |
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But I've never "converted" to atheism - I've always been an atheist, because, somewhat like Subsonic Sound, I don't have a reason to believe. Not because of science or lack of proof, but simply because I don't have a reason. If someone else does, fine, I'm not going to try and convince them otherwise. |
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| Wrong. It's the opposite. Most people who'd call themselves atheists know very little what religion has to offer. |
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Yes they do. All the time. And they call themselves Christian too. |
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| Glorious Qur'an [4:82]: Why do they not study the Quran carefully? If it were from other than GOD, they would have found in it numerous contradictions. |
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| Yeah right! Most people know very little. Most Christians, and i mean most, know nothing about Islam..
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You can PM me if you think it's worth it. After 28 years, I doubt you have any reason that I haven't heard about 20 times before. When I say "I have no reason to believe", what I mean is, believing would add no value to my life. I have my cosmology settled; I have a well-developed sense of wonder at nature, people and the world in general; my morality works fine; and my life has meaning. Those aspects are, in a nutshell, what religion offers. And I have them. Believe it or not |
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| Religion incompatable? Are you making Christianity 'all religions'? Sikhism, Islam, hinduism are religions i bet you do not know about. |
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you sure? you probably need to just open your eyes. I find even the rudest least civil person is amazing, i need to know why they are the way they are |
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i have a reasonable knowledge of christianity, and a basic understanding of islam and buddhism, as well as experience in aikido which is a faith system as much as in is a marshall art. |
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| If Athiesm is a belief that there is no God, can it be called a religion at all? Isn't athiesm a complete lack of religion? And if so, can someone be converted into a religion that is a complete lack of religion?!
Confusing.... |
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I'm not sure if i should PM you. It depends on a) whether you are closeminded or not b) whether you do NOT WANT to believe. It's only if YOU WANT. I'm not most people. You're worth my time. It's upto you. May God bless you. |
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Does anyone else find this paragraph deeply funny? |
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| Qaeda urges non-Muslims to convert to Islam: video
Sat Sep 2, 2006 1:49pm ET138 Email This Article | Print This Article | Reprints [-] Text [+] DUBAI (Reuters) - Al Qaeda called on non-Muslims especially in the United States to convert to Islam and abandon their 'misguided' ways or else suffer, according to a video tape posted on a Web site on Saturday. The speaker was identified as Azzam the American, also known as Adam Yahiye Gadahn -- an Islamic convert from California wanted for questioning by the FBI and who U.S. authorities believe to be involved in an information campaign for al Qaeda. "To Americans and the rest of Christendom we say, either repent (your) misguided ways and enter into the light of truth or keep your poison to yourself and suffer the consequences in this world and the next," Gadahn said in English. He appeared in the video dressed in a white turban and seated in front of a computer and books. Al Qaeda's second-in-command Ayman al-Zawhari made a brief statement at the beginning of the tape -- dated September 2006 -- urging viewers to listen carefully to the message, entitled: "An Invitation to Islam". |
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I find it very accurate. Islam has constantly 'skewed' or completely re-written historical facts. Even in modern day, (radical) Islam lies to gain popularity. |
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| Qaeda urges non-Muslims to convert to Islam: video
Sat Sep 2, 2006 1:49pm ET138 Email This Article | Print This Article | Reprints [-] Text [+] DUBAI (Reuters) - Al Qaeda called on non-Muslims especially in the United States to convert to Islam and abandon their 'misguided' ways or else suffer, according to a video tape posted on a Web site on Saturday. The speaker was identified as Azzam the American, also known as Adam Yahiye Gadahn -- an Islamic convert from California wanted for questioning by the FBI and who U.S. authorities believe to be involved in an information campaign for al Qaeda. "To Americans and the rest of Christendom we say, either repent (your) misguided ways and enter into the light of truth or keep your poison to yourself and suffer the consequences in this world and the next," Gadahn said in English. He appeared in the video dressed in a white turban and seated in front of a computer and books. Al Qaeda's second-in-command Ayman al-Zawhari made a brief statement at the beginning of the tape -- dated September 2006 -- urging viewers to listen carefully to the message, entitled: "An Invitation to Islam". |
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| Wrong. All real historians agree that the Islamic period was golden.
It must be actually strange to you how Islam is growing so fast, yet you think it lies about everything. |
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| Obviously noone would convert to Islam because of this message. get real. no Muslim even pays attention to osma bin laden and his gang of hypocrites. |
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And you can just 100% conclude that all historians agree. I don't believe that, and you can't say that. What exactly is this Islamic period you speak of? |
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The only reason Islam is growing is because of uncontrollable and rediculously high birth rates in Islamic countries, not because of peoples' choice (although some do choose). |
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That explains why time and time again there are terrorists or "freedom fighters" that are killing the innocent all in the name of this Allah, all in the name of this religion we know as Islam... |