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Should marijuana be legal?





counselr10
I am a drug/alcohol counselor and many teens have told me if pot were legal there would be very few gang problems, kids in jail, and most of societies ills will be gone, except maybe for the few that get addicted. What do you think? I have arguements either way.
Hammy
Heyhey,

Well i dont smoke, or do drugs or anything. But, if it were legal, i think it would be a bit weird going to the local supermarket to buy a packet of marijuana fags lol. I dont think it would go down well with other around you either, You'd get some queer looks and stuff.

Drug dealers would also loose out on alot of thier income which i guess is a good thing. I dont know if it would cause less crime or more crime, becaue with drug dealers out of the marijuana business, there would be less crime.. but more people on marijuana, it might get out of hand causeing more crime. I guess they'd enfore a law like with drinking though. Having so much in your system.

I'd say personaly i'm against it because i dont smoke and i hate to see people smokeing, and smoking around me.

On the other hand, i have no problem with it becoming legal. and anyways, i'll try anything once.

Hammy.
Josso
Smoking marijuana is actually less harmful than normal smoking and also a much less harmful drug than say alcohol for example. I won't mention exactly who but someone in my family smokes pot... not around me (I don't like passive smoking of any kind Rolling Eyes). It's pretty harmless to be honest and if it was legalized there would be no real problem but like any drug it can be harmful and should be used in moderation.
alkady
If it was legal, Gangs would enter new markets or expand existing markets such as Loan Sharking and so on.

Plus you have to remember that if it was legal, Pot would be regulated by the government and a "Pot" tax will be imposed which would make buying from Drug Dealers a better Alternative since they would have lowered their prices to stay competitive.
PatTheGreat42
Many people who think that pot should be legal bring up prohibition. Regulated alcohol was much better than unregulated, violent-crime related bathtub gin. However, I think there is an important difference between alcohol and pot.

I've never heard of anyone claiming that having a drink leads to drug problems, though plenty of times has weed been labeled a gateway drug. I don't really think pot should be legal.

However, if it did become legal, I think at first everyone would get stoned, then the novelty would quickly wear off. Of course, the funniest bit is that as soon as the Prez signs that bill, he'd get truckloads of free weed.
a.Bird
alkady wrote:
If it was legal, Gangs would enter new markets or expand existing markets such as Loan Sharking and so on.

Plus you have to remember that if it was legal, Pot would be regulated by the government and a "Pot" tax will be imposed which would make buying from Drug Dealers a better Alternative since they would have lowered their prices to stay competitive.


Why would gangs "enter new markets" if "buying from Drug Dealers [would be] a better Alternative"?
hades9366
It is already such a mainstream part of the culture here I think I read (I can't remember where.) that around 30% of Australians have smoked marijuana or smoke it regularly. (Bear in mind that 90% of all statistics are made up.) I don't think legalisation would have any dramatic negative repercussions but there could be some quite positive repercussions to it's decriminalisation such as not taking up the courts time with pot cases and dragging kids into the criminal system. As someone else said we'd also be taking money away from dealers and giving it instead to the taxman.
hades9366
PatTheGreat42 wrote:
Many people who think that pot should be legal bring up prohibition. Regulated alcohol was much better than unregulated, violent-crime related bathtub gin. However, I think there is an important difference between alcohol and pot.

I've never heard of anyone claiming that having a drink leads to drug problems, though plenty of times has weed been labeled a gateway drug. I don't really think pot should be legal.

However, if it did become legal, I think at first everyone would get stoned, then the novelty would quickly wear off. Of course, the funniest bit is that as soon as the Prez signs that bill, he'd get truckloads of free weed.


As for pot being a gateway drug I personally think that has more to do with its criminal associations. We never had prohibition here but from what I know about the time I think there'd be a fair relationship between frequenting speakeasy's and developing problems with other drugs such as laudanum, opium or whatever else was around at the time.
Shanghai_Dragon
I don't think marijuana should be legal, because it messes with your brain a lot, and causes you to do stupid things. People should be clean from intoxicating things in my opinion. If everone was addicted to one sort of drug, and requires it to be functional in life, then the world will be a disasterous place...
myrevolt
I think the issue with marijuna, in comparison to drinking and smoking is not so much the addiction, but that prolonged usage of it, cause permanent brain damage.

To be frank, I know people that have stopped smoking pot, and yet they still have the side-effects from it. And as stereotype of a "pot-head" goes, it makes you stupid; and I would imagine, would make it difficult to learn.

Of course there is a divide in may areas regarding the legalization of said drug, but I think at least the adults that are pro pot, would agree that teens smoking it, just messes (apparently Frihost has a cussing filter...guess I haven't cussed on this board before...) up any chance for success.
THE11thROCK™
Lol, those who support Marijuana are drug users or addicts. Why would any normal person advocate its' use? Because they want it themselves. Marijuana causes every kind of mental disorders as well as a heap physical effects. Come on, do you want your kids smoking pot?
hades9366
I have tried pot but I don't consider myself a pot smoker. Personally I don't like anything that makes me sleepy. I'd much rather have a beer but I think people should have the right to make that choice for themselves.

Ok I agree that pot can have negative long and short term side effects with heavy use but I know a lot of older users who smoke it in a way that I consider responsible, say once a week, who appear to have no problem with it.

There are some people that probably shouldn't smoke pot because it can cause dramatic mood swings. I had a friend in high school who was probably a borderline schizophrenic to begin with but after he started smoking pot heavily, more than once a day, he started having full psychotic episodes. If you use the argument that pot should be banned because it will have a negative effect on some people then you'd have to apply it to alcohol too.
st_jimi
i USE to smoke pot over a two years ago for only half a year and never suffered from mental health problems because i only usd it in moderation and as a social thing
jipmerite
If is is such a safe thing, why is it prohibited in the first place?
ciaran27
First and foremost, if you accualy go and do the research on how the first drug laws in the US came into existance, it is a joke. They were created by extremly narrow minded bigoted people in our government for alterior motives. Geez that sounds familiar.

As to weather Pot shoud be legalized. I say anyone who has ever consumed an alcoholic drink, you have consumed a substance that has caused, and will continue to cause iresponcible people to mame and kill innocent people. To all those who smoke Cigarettes, you have made a choice to smoke a PLANT that produces MIND ALTERING AFFECTS in persuit of your lives happiness. That takes care of at least 3/4 of the people in the world from any country, income, or sex. To this day Cigarettes and Alcohol have harmed far more people than marijuana by far, yet they are legal, available, and heavily taxed world wide.

I have never seen a pothead come home from a pot bar after work and beat his wife in front of his children. I have never seen a pothead spend money he needs to eat on pot. I have never seen a pothead cause a 10 car pile up on a major road causing 3 deaths.

The bottom line of it is that the american people have been lied to since the first drug laws were put on the books. At the same time they were allowed to freely use other mind altering substances only becayse the government can tax them. It is an official legal policy called hypocrocy that the US government has kept around as standaed policy since day one.
cloudship
everything has the good and evil sides.

drugs can cure people and also can kill them.

i think for the teens, who are maybe mature physically but maybe not mentally, it is often too risky to let them alone to play with the drugs.

well, i think it is just like you will not allow a bay to play with fire or cigarette.

A wiser way to solve the social problem is probably to lead them live an active life, to realize what life and living really mean, but not in a medical way.
chrismen
I think that pot should be legal for sure.It is prob the most commonly used illegal drug in the world. I just think that the money would stay aways from helping crime if it was legal. The only problem would be that people would start to abuse it when it first becomes legal and prob some would die. In the end I think that that would be better than how it is now.
Agent ME
ciaran27 wrote:
I have never seen a pothead come home from a pot bar after work and beat his wife in front of his children. I have never seen a pothead spend money he needs to eat on pot. I have never seen a pothead cause a 10 car pile up on a major road causing 3 deaths.

That's probably because the number of routine-pot users is significantly lower than drinkers, due to the fact its illegal Rolling Eyes
cheh
yes i strongly support the legalisation of marijuana! and prostitution aswell. not that i'm a consumer of any of those and i don't really believe that there would be less criminal or anything such because of this, in fact in holland the usage of harddrugs increased since the legalisation of pot, but the state could collect taxes from it!
the people who used to engage in such activities wouldn't be breaking the law now. sometimes there's only a thin line between a criminal and a businessman Wink Very Happy
and what would people that have nothing to do with theese thing have of it (such as me Razz Very Happy )? nothing perhaps. but since the state would be collecting taxes in new fields, maybe it would be able to decrease taxes for alcohol, gas and cigarets Wink would be nice Very Happy
Helios
I don't see the point in taking chemicals.
Can someone explain to me why should I start smoking/drinking?
a.Bird
It's very interesting to compare arguments of legalization from people who are for and against. I've done a lot of research on marijuana because as someone who has smoked (and eaten) the natural herb, I've found it important to know exactly what it is all about. The best way to make a decision about most things in life is finding as much information as possible about the pros and cons because people generally have their own opinions, whether or not they really know what they are talking about. Think about it: would someone who has never gotten high be able to tell you exactly what it is like? Would someone who has never bothered to investigate the properties of the plant be able to tell you what exactly it does to your body?

Smoke from anything is generally not good for your lungs. However the main psychoactive substance in weed, THC, has such a low toxicity that you could smoke weed until you passed out from oxygen deprivation before you reached a lethal dose. Too much of ANYTHING, including water, is a bad thing. I would argue that eating 10 grams worth of pot in a brownie is healthier for you than eating a Big Mac.

Just remember to consider everything you hear while never truly accepting those things as fact before FULLY questioning the fundamentals of those beliefs. A man who's parents told him to hate gay people all of his life without any reason is probably going to tell you that he hates gay people.
Hobbit
I don't understand why people want mariguana legalized, it just doesn't make any sense to me. I have a brother who does it, and everything about him sucks when he's high. He's slow, he's stupid, and I could go on forever about the effects that the stupid drug has on him. Whenever I go to a gig or concert, there's always people high and they act really stupid. If it's legalized, it's just going to make the world more stupid, I doubt it will be legalized though. If it is though, the country will fail.
smokey4life
Hammy wrote:
Heyhey,

Well i dont smoke, or do drugs or anything. But, if it were legal, i think it would be a bit weird going to the local supermarket to buy a packet of marijuana fags lol. I dont think it would go down well with other around you either, You'd get some queer looks and stuff.

Drug dealers would also loose out on alot of thier income which i guess is a good thing. I dont know if it would cause less crime or more crime, becaue with drug dealers out of the marijuana business, there would be less crime.. but more people on marijuana, it might get out of hand causeing more crime. I guess they'd enfore a law like with drinking though. Having so much in your system.

I'd say personaly i'm against it because i dont smoke and i hate to see people smokeing, and smoking around me.

On the other hand, i have no problem with it becoming legal. and anyways, i'll try anything once.

Hammy.



I pretty much agree with you here, other then this quote "but more people on marijuana, it might get out of hand causing more crime." I wouldn't infer that more marijuana smokers would cause more crime, i would think that with the drug dealers out of business, they would be forced to move to more viscous crimes such as murder, robbery etc. I don't see, if marijuana was legalized that the higher population of smokers would cause increased crime.
Diebels
Hi, Marjuana was legal until 1937... At this time Mr. DuPont got the patent for nylon. He also got some other to make paper out of wood. Before it was madeout of hemp. The biggest competition for the patents, especially the nylon one was of course hemp.(you can make about 50000 different products out of it) Hemp needed to get of the market.

1st they taxed it so much that it was no more lucrative for the farmers.
2nd Mr. William Randolf Hurst (at this time one of richest mans and newspaper tycoons in the world) was very intersted in the possibilities of making paper out of wood. He had huge forests. So every time some drug related crime/offense made headlines in his newspapers until Marijuana was banned and criminal substance.

In 2nd WW Farmers who grow pot for the army(uniforms) where lucky because non of their sons needed to join the army...

There is much more to read about this...
Jack Herer "Hemp, Lifeline to the Future"
sibby
Why not? Alcohol is legal (at least in my country), and it causes lots of car accidents and liver illnesses everyday, no one really cares about it. They tried to forbid it in the USA during the "Great Prohibition", and people only smuggled it and consumed more.

Laws should encourage people to make a responsible use of drugs, I'm against laws circumcising your personal liberty to take decisions, except those with a criminal background (of which Marihuana doesn't make part in my eyes).

Furthermore, if you legalize Marihuana, there will be one big reason not to buy it anymore: the fact that it isn't prohibited.
HoboPelican
I've always had issues with victimless crimes. Why make something illegal that has no effect on others? (I think some of the real answers to that are listed above)

Legalizing it would free up police to focus on real crime, provide a tax source, and reduce a source of income for gangs. Downside? You'd have to establish a limit for operating a motor vehicle and a way to test for that level. Gateway drug? Pfft. No different than Alcohol. Well, one difference. With Dope you have to go to a guy who is selling every other drug.
Helios
Well, if it'll be legalised here in Israel, I don't care tbh.
I won't use it.
I don't need to get "high". Never needed it when I was a kid, so obviously I don't need it now.
Always faced my problems alone, won't start running away now Wink
THE11thROCK™
It's like Opium in china. So pot is legal in other countries. Well, lucky them. We should get rid of things which will not in anyway enhance our well being. For me, those who continue on smoking pot are LOSERS.
HoboPelican
THE11thROCK™ wrote:
... We should get rid of things which will not in anyway enhance our well being. For me, those who continue on smoking pot are LOSERS.

Really? I think a good case could be made for marijuana enhancing well being. In moderation, it relaxes you without side effects. It can help glaucoma symptoms. It eases the ill-effects of chemotherapy. I think those are enhancements to well-being.

How about alcohol, no enhancement there. Should we make that illegal in the states....again? That was a great success. Maybe just the things YOU don't approve of? Come on, shouldn't laws be based logic instead of personal feelings and fear?
kerouac
In the Uk in one London borough (Lambeth) possession for personal use is not illegal but selling and distribution is. There was a bit of an outcry when weed changed classes but the police have more important things to do than to bust people for possession of a single spliff.
IceNinjaa
i personally don't care if it is or not. yet i do think that it would be easier if they do legalize it. less money used on marijuana busts and could be put to use somewhere else. also im sure it would help with trade as well.
ivanegues
jipmerite wrote:
If is is such a safe thing, why is it prohibited in the first place?


For the same reason other and more harmfull drugs are legal. The economic power has the final word. Not reason, not fairness, not the common well, not justice, not justice, not moral, not goverments (slaves)...For the same reason US is in war. For the same reason it doesnt matter there wasnt weapons of mass destruction. For the same reason every agressor in war cleans their **** with the united nations opinion.

Anwering the question: yes.
(I don't smoke or drink to an addiction frecuency. Maybe I have like 5 smokes a year)

It makes you sleep so well!!!
Very Happy
a.Bird
Hobbit wrote:
I don't understand why people want mariguana legalized, it just doesn't make any sense to me. I have a brother who does it, and everything about him sucks when he's high. He's slow, he's stupid, and I could go on forever about the effects that the stupid drug has on him. Whenever I go to a gig or concert, there's always people high and they act really stupid. If it's legalized, it's just going to make the world more stupid, I doubt it will be legalized though. If it is though, the country will fail.


That's just your opinion man. Maybe when he's high, he thinks the way you act is stupid. When I'm high, I get so disgusted by how fast paced and serious the world can get when we are all just living organisms bred from this earth that need nothing more than to eat, poop, have sex and sleep. Weed has freed me from so many imaginary restrictions, including social ones that define "how you should act" and what is "stupid".
HoboPelican
Helios wrote:
I don't see the point in taking chemicals.
Can someone explain to me why should I start smoking/drinking?


Helios, if you have to ask, don't worry about it.
I was a heavy drug abuser 30 years ago for maybe 4 years. Since I quit, I haven't touched anything except alcohol. Mostly because I had more to lose from an arrest.

I did it originally out of curiosity. I liked the results so I kept pushing onward. I wouldn't change a thing, but if you aren't interested in the first place, I'd go with your gut feeling. It isn't for everyone. I just think people should be allowed to make their own decisions about it.
healyrj
I don't think mj should be legalised. I guess it's not that harmful a drug but do we need more of it around - more out in the open? Come on - the answer has to be no!
scotty
It should be legal to have it for personal use universially, also growing it should be legal as the shit they put in hydroponics is physcodelic. Would save on health issues and the fact that anybody can grow it would reduce the crime associated with the means of getting it.

A permit concept of giving away seeds for people to grow it provided they get a permit, are able to be audited or something in terms of the quantity they are growing and 5 times the penalty for having pot without a permit would be a good thing in my opinion.

(I don't smoke weed.)
HoboPelican
healyrj wrote:
but do we need more of it around - more out in the open? Come on - the answer has to be no!



Well, is there any reason at all to believe that? What is your reasoning? If you agree it isn't that harmful, why keep it illegal? Is it simple because YOU don't like it? What about the issue of police spending time on a drug you yourself think is "not that harmful"?
eku53ru
I've heard a number of arguments for and against the legalization of marijuana (partly because my English class had a persuasive speech project, and this became a few people's topics, and my Government class covered it to some degree), but I personally am indifferent about it. I have some confidence that I won't contract a disease that will require the drug as a remedy of sorts. Whether or not people need it would depend on each case, I think.

For medicinal purposes, I would probably say to legalize it if someone really needs it, but for personal use I don't see a point in its legalization.
sonic
I think mj should be legal for use to people with cancer, because that some people syas it actually works a bit against the cancer!
HoboPelican
sonic wrote:
I think mj should be legal for use to people with cancer, because that some people syas it actually works a bit against the cancer!


I hadn't heard about that, but I did hear that it can help with the nausea caused by chemotherapy.
sonic
Well HoboPelican like I wrote some people says I don't know it for sure, I havent got cancer myself so....
Soulfire
No, because in the U.S. we can barely control tobacco and alcohol being legal. Making marijuana legal would make it more attainable, and thus making it a much bigger problem than it is already.
aurigadelphinus
alkady wrote:
If it was legal, Gangs would enter new markets or expand existing markets such as Loan Sharking and so on.

Plus you have to remember that if it was legal, Pot would be regulated by the government and a "Pot" tax will be imposed which would make buying from Drug Dealers a better Alternative since they would have lowered their prices to stay competitive.


Which, moves us into a different alternative, decriminalization. The gang problem is not a linked issue, nor a result of pot use. The real hurdle is getting the world governments to stop spending resources in the fight against pot. I wonder if governments are even capable of taking a step back on any issue and there in lies the real hurdle. Sorry to say, but I do not see anything changing.
HoboPelican
Soulfire wrote:
No, because in the U.S. we can barely control tobacco and alcohol being legal. Making marijuana legal would make it more attainable, and thus making it a much bigger problem than it is already.


Curious about those two points.

What do you mean by
Quote:
barely able to control tobacco and alcohol being legal
I assume you mean controlling drunk driving. Would legalizing it change anything for the police. Road blocks would catch either type of intoxication without added cost. There could be an increase in OMVI (DUI, DWI, etc) arrests, but the total cost of those would have to be balanced against the decreased time spent in marijuana investigations. Tobacco? I don't get that at all.

What is the problem with marijuana? I'm not being flippant, I honestly do not see the harm involved. What makes it worse than alcohol?
AdamantMonk
REASONS THEY SHOULD:

Well basically I don't smoke but I used to, I honestly believe it's much easier for someone to believe something shouldn't be legal if they've never tried it (maybe the same philosiphy applies to Gay marriage?)

Marijuana is called a "Gateway Drug" because with it being Illegal anyone that deals can put Coke, PCP, Caps, X... Whatever into it and get them addicted to this "Weed" which has additional addictive affects because of whatever it was laced with. (Even a minute dose can still add to the addictive properties several times over, Still leaving the feeling still very similar to that of untouched weed.)

So then the smoker is put under the position of this specific dealer's "Weed" being the only kind strong enough to get him high, And of course because of it being more addictive he will be spending more and more of his time High until this laced weed doesn't do the trick anymore, and the buyer moves onto stronger, more dangerous substances.

Don't think that people aren't gullible to let this happen unless you've tried it, Marijuana messes with your perception and feelings... Every experience could be different in subtle ways, so it's not that much of a stretch. Bringing in one perception alterring substance with another is much more subtle than say, someone saying "hey try this tobacco" and the tobacco being like... actually crack or something.

Basically if weed was legal it could be more closely regulated, while of course reducing the number of Marijuana-related crimes, also potentially reducing the number of users that may be brought to the harder stuff through laced weed.

That's my take
jeremyyak
I think it should be legal. It isn't like most other drugs, it grows naturally without any human assitance. Most other drugs are made or mixed with other things such as chemicals.

Pot doesn't have such harmful affects as other drugs.

It was proven the pot combats lung cancer by encouraging older cells, which are more likely to become cancerous, to die out. Those cells will be replaced with new ones.

~Jeremy~
HoboPelican
jeremyyak wrote:
....
It was proven the pot combats lung cancer by encouraging older cells, which are more likely to become cancerous, to die out. Those cells will be replaced with new ones.

~Jeremy~


Hey, I keep seeing this mentioned. Can you cite a reference? If it's true that would be a big deal.
Vrythramax
With all the flack about second hand smoke, and it's cause and effect....I don't think anybody is going to legalize another form of smoke. MJ may or not be harmful or controllable, but it is still smoke.
psycosquirrel
I think it should be restricted the same way as cigarettes are. There is no need to fully prohibit it.
ciaran27
Hobbit wrote:
I don't understand why people want mariguana legalized, it just doesn't make any sense to me. I have a brother who does it, and everything about him sucks when he's high. He's slow, he's stupid, and I could go on forever about the effects that the stupid drug has on him. Whenever I go to a gig or concert, there's always people high and they act really stupid. If it's legalized, it's just going to make the world more stupid, I doubt it will be legalized though. If it is though, the country will fail.


Grass is just like anything else in the world, it can be used and it can be over used. I have seen plenty of ppl that smoke themselves into a stupor, and if that is what they want to do, than so be it. If you stop being biased by yor feelings towards your brothers behavior, you will see that the last statement you made is the very definition of ignorance. Grass has already been decriminalized in parts of the US. It's completly legal in Amsterdam and in other parts of the world. i have yet to see any caticlismic effects yet. It's people making uninformed, untruthfull and sencationalized claims like this that created the mass hysteria in the 1900's that got the ban on grass put in place in the first place.

Here's a little advice for you. People are going to do what they want to do. As long as they are not forcing it on you, leave them be. Don't go around making claims that are completly and totaly bogus.
livesport11
of course it must be legal
i love mariuana
Billwaa
IceNinjaa wrote:
i personally don't care if it is or not. yet i do think that it would be easier if they do legalize it. less money used on marijuana busts and could be put to use somewhere else. also im sure it would help with trade as well.


well, it kind of hurt teenagers, and teenagers are the people who are going to decide the future of Earth....
livesport11
there old enough to think about it ...
HoboPelican
Billwaa wrote:


well, it kind of hurt teenagers, and teenagers are the people who are going to decide the future of Earth....


I don't think making it legal means totally uncontrolled. I think we are, for the most part, considering legalization to involve the same safeguards as alcohol.
tlambert
It should be legal for medical use only. For example, persons with glaucoma or mutliple sclerosis would certainly benefit from it. Maybe it should be legal for personal use as well, but that's not the best for youngsters.
Shiva
I agree with you tlambert..

It should be ligal for medicin use only.. Some sicknesses can be helped or even cured with it..

But it's still not to wise to smoke it for personal use.. Confused
sibbahz
If its legal then maybe people wouldnt think they are so clever using it.
If its legal then maybe more people would use it though. Its a hard choice.
mavahntooth
IMHO there is no possibility that marijuana will be legalize. Some short term effects of marijuana use include: memory loss, distorted perception, trouble with thinking and problem solving, loss of motor skills, decrease in muscle strength, increased heart rate, and anxiety. so definitely no...
HoboPelican
mavahntooth wrote:
IMHO there is no possibility that marijuana will be legalize. Some short term effects of marijuana use include: memory loss, distorted perception, trouble with thinking and problem solving, loss of motor skills, decrease in muscle strength, increased heart rate, and anxiety. so definitely no...


So, while you're high, it's like being drunk? Isn't that we've been saying?
ciaran27
mavahntooth wrote:
IMHO there is no possibility that marijuana will be legalize. Some short term effects of marijuana use include: memory loss, distorted perception, trouble with thinking and problem solving, loss of motor skills, decrease in muscle strength, increased heart rate, and anxiety. so definitely no...


Another completly misinformed individual I see. If grass is so devestating to the thought process, why does it increase the creativity in nearly everyone that uses it? When I was going through college, I could work on a paper for days and get a mid grade. I could write it in a night while smoking and get an A. Don't go around quoting propaganda until you know it is truthfull.

As for legalization, it is already decriminalixed in several states.....with more lobying for it every day. Don't be so sure of yourself. Decriminilization=You don't get arrested for having it. They are using decriminilization rather than legalization to stop people from having problems with it. About time someone twists the legal system a little in favor of peoples rights. Just sad that they have to do so at all.
radd
i take pharmacy course and we discussed this issue in class before. making it legal have some good point but also have bad point too. it may reduce crime because selling and taking marijuana is not a crime anymore if it become legal...
but personally i dont agree with this. making it legal will enable teenagers to have easy access to it, thus increase number of addicts. it also might become a trend, just like cigarrate. well.. i dont know how to explain
Vrythramax
forgive my ignorance here...but has weed ever been proved to be beneficial, medically or otherwise?
ebinnion
Well... the thing is it might stop some violence...but then think about how many people are now under the influence or marijuana? how many people are going to walk around messed up now?

Maybe the medicinal use of marijuana can be approved...and for certain purposes. Let's just hope that we can find a way to restrain the sell of that that legal marijuana from the people who qualify for it
Da Rossa
counselr10 wrote:
I am a drug/alcohol counselor and many teens have told me if pot were legal there would be very few gang problems, kids in jail, and most of societies ills will be gone, except maybe for the few that get addicted. What do you think? I have arguements either way.


My opinion: NO. It stinks to intensively. I almost became a passive marijuana smoker. I felt bad. Imagine, in a restaurant for example, one in each four tables with a 'marijuaner'... Argh.
a.Bird
Soulfire wrote:
No, because in the U.S. we can barely control tobacco and alcohol being legal. Making marijuana legal would make it more attainable, and thus making it a much bigger problem than it is already.
What exactly is the problem with marijuana? Eh?

Da Rossa wrote:
My opinion: NO. It stinks to intensively. I almost became a passive marijuana smoker. I felt bad. Imagine, in a restaurant for example, one in each four tables with a 'marijuaner'... Argh.
In NY state (I don't know if it's a federal law or not) you are not allowed to smoke cigarrettes inside of any public building or something... i'm not exactly sure what the specifics are of the law but in any case, I'm sure that as soon as marijuana was legalized, it would not be a free rein thing. I would imagine that we would start off slow with only allow people to smoke in their own homes, for example. The issue is not so black and white and you must look around every corner from every lens.
Vanquish
Over 50% of the British population smoke pot, and it's true they are more "healthy" than normal ciggarettes, but they still kill off brain cells, whilst you are smoking it you are really chilled and mellowed out, but once you stop being stoned and whilst your a frequent user and aren't stoned, you get extremely paranoid and aggressive. I personally think it should be legalised, as if someone want's to use it, let them. It doesn't mean everyone else has to. Things can be very funny when you are stoned.

Neal
HoboPelican
Vanquish wrote:
...but once you stop being stoned and whilst your a frequent user and aren't stoned, you get extremely paranoid and aggressive.


First I ever heard that. Doesn't sound like anything I ever saw or experienced. You sure about that?
jaime_thom
It's an interesting question, and has many arguments either way. I can see the side of legalizing it, as it should reduce the risk of bad weed, and gangs, etc. However, I have to stand against the legalization of pot. While legalization was very close to occuring before the "Just say NO!" campaign, many people have come to realize that weed is a gateway drug, and leads to worse things.
HoboPelican
jaime_thom wrote:
... However, I have to stand against the legalization of pot. While legalization was very close to occuring before the "Just say NO!" campaign, many people have come to realize that weed is a gateway drug, and leads to worse things.


You don't think that the gateway aspect is due to the fact that the only people selling it now are dealers pushing harder drugs? If it was sold in liquor stores where is the gateway aspect? Right now it is intimately associated with other drugs because of it's illegality. Break that bond and it is just another way to relax.
jemmae
There was certainly a time when i would have been all for the legalization of pot. Confused Now that im a mummy however i would say no - but i have nothing against anyone who choses to smoke and have a number of friends who still smoke. Also a friends family went thru hell when her brother developed schitzophrenia - without doubt thru heavy pot use. Very scary Twisted Evil so i think i am definitely against the legalization of pot now
jipmerite
Despite the many reasons against legalizing it, I think it's a matter of time before it IT legalised. Just like smoking which has been proven again and again is harmful, not just to the smoker but those around him as well, smoking MJ will also become part of the popular culture. And once there is a big enough movement for legalising it, just like the Gay Marriage Movement.

It's like the Governments have no choice but to let the public hurt and kill themselves if they want to. It's not like the public doesn't know what it;s doing.

It's just a matter of time.
Ray Gravin
Gangs and Dealers would just focus on sales of much more damaging drugs. Not that there not already spending a great deal of energy on selling even more destructive substances as it is. Its disgusting to me. What kind of person tries to make a living of the suffering of others? How diluted by greed do you have to be?

I work at a pharmacy and our state has started a program requiring us to take the information of all our sales of some cold medicines and stuff. Anything that can be used in the manufacture of Meth. I've looked into Meth out of curiosity. WTF? who in there right mind would want to do that to them selves? Its ridiculously self destructive.

I guess legalizing the substances might make it a little safer for the end user. Government regulations and such might make it safer. Also a little more humane. Illegal drug trafficking has its victims Im sure. How many gang related killings do you hear about on the news?

I avoid those things for more then personal health reasons.
Its bad karma : (

I guess Im a bit of subject...
SusieSmacktard
If marijuana did become legal, I predict a massive Cheeto shortage.
the1991
personally i dont smoke, but from an outside perspective i think it should be legal. i just dont see it being more harmful that a drug like alcohol (in fact less harmful i would say). i don't really get why it is illegal i guess. for the most part though, i'm not really concerned. i would try it if it were legal, but i doubt that i'd really get into it.
Marston
To be honest, there's so much misinformation in this thread that I move it be closed. Here, I'll dispel a few myths about marijuana:

No, it cannot kill you.
No, it doesn't inherently lead to dangerous behaviour.
No, it does not cause any mental problems (learning disabilities, etc.)
No, smoking pot won't make you a schizo.
No, pot is NOT a gateway drug- think about it, it's totally illogical. How can one substance MAKE you want to try other substances? It's purely psychological.
Yeah, sure, pot kills braincells, just like a hard bump on the head kills brain cells.

Pot really isn't harmful at all- like I've stated above, it's about as harmfull as a bump on the head. What? Should the government make bumping your head illegal too? Clearly not.

Chances are, Marijuana will only ever become decriminalized (meaning it is ok to posess marijuana for personal use, but the sale of the substance, and possesion of the substance with intent to sell is illegal).

Frankly, I don't understand how the government can tell us that we can't consume something produced by lovely mother earth. It's pretty stupid. Additionally, I think the government should allow people to make choices about drugs for THEMSELVES. The government has no right to tell us what we can and cannot consume.

Word.
essentialmedia
counselr10 wrote:
I am a drug/alcohol counselor and many teens have told me if pot were legal there would be very few gang problems, kids in jail, and most of societies ills will be gone, except maybe for the few that get addicted. What do you think? I have arguements either way.


Your teens sound like stoners themselves. They lack the ability to grasp reality and make vaild judgements. Could you imagine how instantly stupid our society would be. I think it is the opposite, they need to stop considering even making it legal and start making these little drug addicts realize that it IS a drug.

If you spend anytime around people who smoke a lot you quickly realize just how stupied they really are and how they lack the ability to do anything productive. I have had nothing but problems with stoners, as clients, as friends, as employees. Make it legal in prison, then they can sit there and get stoned all they want but at least they are out of my way and not interferring with my life.
Marston
^ Man, just sit down and be quiet. You have no idea what you're talking about- have you ever even TRIED Marijuana? On the contrary, alot of people that I know who smoke pot have a BETTER grasp on reality than I do. Pot smokers are some of the most open minded people around.

Frankly, I find your stereotypical comments about people who consume Marijauana offensive and inane. You say Pot smokers can't do anything productive and are stupid? Yeah, so Bob Marley and Hunter S. Thompson weren't productive? Is that what you're saying?
essentialmedia
Marston wrote:
To be honest, there's so much misinformation in this thread that I move it be closed. Here, I'll dispel a few myths about marijuana:

No, it cannot kill you.
No, it doesn't inherently lead to dangerous behaviour.
No, it does not cause any mental problems (learning disabilities, etc.)
No, smoking pot won't make you a schizo.
No, pot is NOT a gateway drug- think about it, it's totally illogical. How can one substance MAKE you want to try other substances? It's purely psychological.
Yeah, sure, pot kills braincells, just like a hard bump on the head kills brain cells.

Pot really isn't harmful at all- like I've stated above, it's about as harmfull as a bump on the head. What? Should the government make bumping your head illegal too? Clearly not.

Chances are, Marijuana will only ever become decriminalized (meaning it is ok to posess marijuana for personal use, but the sale of the substance, and possesion of the substance with intent to sell is illegal).

Frankly, I don't understand how the government can tell us that we can't consume something produced by lovely mother earth. It's pretty stupid. Additionally, I think the government should allow people to make choices about drugs for THEMSELVES. The government has no right to tell us what we can and cannot consume.

Word.


Obviously the above user is himself a stoner. It doesn't cause mental problems!! You don't consider being stupid a mental problem? How about the lack of ability to be productive, or make rational thoughts? How about stupid statements like "produced by lovely mother earth"? Come on, get a life, get a job, put down the pipe, turn of the Phish album.

Yes it is a gateway drug, but you wouldn't know that because you probably forgot what we were talking about already. I like the way the drug addicts and stoners move for a forum to be closed. That is because he had to stop smoking for at least 20 minutes to formulate a response and it's cramping his style all this "adult talk".

Hey....don't procreate, PLEASE!!
Marston
Man, offending me isn't the way to make a point. You're making yourself look like a little kid. Try making actual points, instead of flaming ME. The only reason why you flame me is because not only are you an extremely repressed individual, but you seem to also not be able to counter ANY of my points with solid unarguable counterpoints. If anyone is stupid in this thread, it's you and your conservative ideologies.
essentialmedia
Marston wrote:
^ Man, just sit down and be quiet. You have no idea what you're talking about- have you ever even TRIED Marijuana? On the contrary, alot of people that I know who smoke pot have a BETTER grasp on reality than I do. Pot smokers are some of the most open minded people around.

Frankly, I find your stereotypical comments about people who consume Marijauana offensive and inane. You say Pot smokers can't do anything productive and are stupid? Yeah, so Bob Marley and Hunter S. Thompson weren't productive? Is that what you're saying?


You find it offensive? Sorry. Stop smoking and you might see the reality. Yes I have tried when I was a kid, but I grew up, you should try it. How can you say that pot smokers have a "better" grasp on reality!! That my friend is the definition of a stupid comment. They smoke weed to escape reality, they are weak and they need a crutch to get through life. They may have a grasp of where to buy cheetos at 3 am but believe me it is not a grasp on reality.

OF COURSE THEY ARE OPEN MINDED THEY ARE STONED!!! HA HA HA

You can't be serious right, you only prove everything people are saying. HA HA. But you probably don't see that, why.....because your stoned!!

BTW, Bob Marley was very productive, he did his thing, are you an amazing song writer? I think not. It worked for him, it was his gig. As for Hunter, well he was brilliant but he also hardly used weed when compared to the other things he did. Like I said though it worked for HIM, it was his gimick just like weed was Bob's.

Don't' try to justify addiction and the stupidification of a society with remarks that only prove ones inability to make rational statements.
Marston
You disproved your own point.


Good job! Wink

Anyways, I'm sorry that you've been terribly misinformed about Marijuana, and I forgive you for your offensive comments. Maybe in a few years, you will open your mind to alternative lifestyles, and realize that, in the past, you have acted immaturely. It seems you have alot to learn about life in general. Unfortunatley, due to your poor attitude about this subject, and the aforementioned flaming, I won't be posting in this topic anymore. If you ever want to debate about Marijuana in a mature fashion, hit me up with an email at marstonfleming@gmail.com.

Peace.
essentialmedia
Marston wrote:
Man, offending me isn't the way to make a point. You're making yourself look like a little kid. Try making actual points, instead of flaming ME. The only reason why you flame me is because not only are you an extremely repressed individual, but you seem to also not be able to counter ANY of my points with solid unarguable counterpoints. If anyone is stupid in this thread, it's you and your conservative ideologies.


Wow do you have that wrong....actually I am the least conservative person around and believe me I am not repressed in any way shape or form. Quite the opposite really.

I have worked in the entertainment industry for over 14 years, I make the music videos that you watch, I also deal with all the bands that you listen to, enjoy, etc. And through that I meet and know a LOT of people. Sorry if you feel like I am flaming you personally because I am not. Just recently I had another huge bout of drama with a client that seemed cool in the beginning, I didn't care that he was a stoner drug addict, I didn't think it would affect things. Well guess what? Stoners can't make judgements based on fact. So of course three months into his contract I had to get rid of him, it costs me money to break a contract, and I don't like wasting money.

It has happened more times that I can count and usually about twice a year I let my guard down start working with some stoner and next thing you know, oops they forgot, oops they weren't there, oops did I throw that away, oops where am I supposed to be?

From experience, working as a film director, artist and by day a counselor, I just know that there is nothing good that comes from drug addiction, even if it is an natural thing. So is oil, but I wouldn't reccomend drinking it.

I am not flaming you, I was simply saying that your statements were entirely untrue. What is YOUR basis for the statements you made? Weed can actually kill you in theory, problem is you would have smoke so much of it that you would forget you were trying to kill yourself with it and pass out. If you have tried weed then you can't tell me it makes you all "smart" and function well. No it doesn't, it makes you stupid and lazy. Saying anything on the contrary is denial.

So don't think I am personally attacking you, I am not, I am attacking the stupid ass culture that makes it cool to be a drug addict. People who wear pot leaves on their clothes, put things like "420" in the MySpace name, how stupid is that? Hell 99.9% of the stoners out there don't even know where 420 came from or what it meant!!

You can see my point or not, you don't have to accept it. Believe me I really don't care, I only came on here ot bring my points back up. So back to work for me. thank you for the healthy debate.
IDIDITFORLULZ
well you could arue either way on the subject but the problem with it is just this if it were to be legal nothing would get done right now the best solution i think is a rating system of people you get judged on a scale of how succsessful your life is and how many people will vowge for you depending on that you are allowed/ dissallowed to use obtain grow perchase ect. marijuana and substances like lsd
HoboPelican
essentialmedia wrote:

I have worked in the entertainment industry for over 14 years,

And you think that is a good cross sample of the users? I am not a user (30 years ago, that was NOT true! Smile ) and I gotta tell you that your experieneces are not mine. I'm an engineer and for the last 15 years I've worked with engineering interns on a regular basis. Through the years, many of the kids coming through our program have been users. Not losers in anyway. Hard workers, dependable and alert. Yeah, they smoked and drank on the weekends, but they were always clear headed and eager come Monday...well, as eager as most.Smile We are talking Mondays.

(BTW - I still stay in touch with most of those folks. Some still using, some not. But they all are still functioning and thriving in corporate America.)

Quote:

...I was simply saying that your statements were entirely untrue. ...Weed can actually kill you in theory, ... If you have tried weed then you can't tell me it makes you all "smart" and function well. No it doesn't, it makes you stupid and lazy. Saying anything on the contrary is denial.

Which of his statements are untrue? None that I can see. Kill you? That is a fatuous argument. Water can kill you if you drink enough. I have never heard of any study saying there was any deadly biological aspect to marijuana. Post it if you have reliable info. Stupid and lazy? pfft. My experiences dispute that. I guess we need a scientific study to prove it now, right?

Come on, sure there are losers smoking dope. There's loser drinking beer, losers playing in bands, losers doing everything. There are also well adjusted, normal people doing those things. If you are vocally anti-drugs, do you think the well-adusted users are gonna tell you they do drugs? Of course not. They are all around you and you don't even know it because they aren't addicted, aren't doing other drugs and function just fine.
HoboPelican
Essentialmedia, Marston, please, let's keep this non-personal. Personal experiences are fine to relate, but if you disagree with a staement, refute it calmly, ok?

Let's continue with a bit of decorum.

essentialmedia wrote:

I have worked in the entertainment industry for over 14 years,

And you think that is a good cross sample of the users? I am not a user (30 years ago, that was NOT true! Smile ) and I gotta tell you that your experieneces are not mine. I'm an engineer and for the last 15 years I've worked with engineering interns on a regular basis. Through the years, many of the kids coming through our program have been users. Not losers in anyway. Hard workers, dependable and alert. Yeah, they smoked and drank on the weekends, but they were always clear headed and eager come Monday...well, as eager as most.Smile We are talking Mondays.

(BTW - I still stay in touch with most of those folks. Some still using, some not. But they all are still functioning and thriving in corporate America.)

Quote:

...I was simply saying that your statements were entirely untrue. ...Weed can actually kill you in theory, ... If you have tried weed then you can't tell me it makes you all "smart" and function well. No it doesn't, it makes you stupid and lazy. Saying anything on the contrary is denial.

Which of his statements are untrue? None that I can see. Kill you? That is a fatuous argument. Water can kill you if you drink enough. I have never heard of any study saying there was any deadly biological aspect to marijuana. Post it if you have reliable info. Stupid and lazy? pfft. My experiences dispute that. I guess we need a scientific study to prove it now, right?

Come on, sure there are losers smoking dope. There's loser drinking beer, losers playing in bands, losers doing everything. There are also well adjusted, normal people doing those things. If you are vocally anti-drugs, do you think the well-adusted users are gonna tell you they do drugs? Of course not. They are all around you and you don't even know it because they aren't addicted, aren't doing other drugs and function just fine.

Edit - 20:09
Mixter
then tax it! Surprised
halflife28
Marijuana has a grey area. I agree with Marijuana for medical uses, and I also think it's not that bad as the media portrays it. It does the opposite of what many other drugs do. But it also makes many people not care about important things and lazy while under influence. So I dont agree with people abusing it, but people using it in moderation.

But in my case, I wouldn't touch it if it was legal or illegal. Drugs are just not in my state of mind.
Vrythramax
It seems everone is addressing the issue if why it shouldn't be legalized, and ignoring any questions as to why it should be legalized. I agree with some that it should not be legalized, and I (personally) disagree with some (for thier reasoning) that it should not. MJ has never (to my knowlege) been shown to cause any type of mental illness, long term effects, or habituation, and to just dismiss anyone who smokes as a "stoner", is just another form of discrimination. I can attest to many who have graduated with outstanding grades that have come from some of the finest universities the US has to offer that smoked, and continue to smoke. It really doesn't help the topic any by just saying "Yeah...it's cool"...that doesn't really further the conversation in any helpful way.

I would like to direct some to The National Organization (for) the Decriminilization of Marijuana Laws website for further information about the actions that have been going on in the US by some since the 1970's for the legalization of marijuana.

*Edited for spelling*
smokey4life
Legal or not there will still always be an underground market for it. Even if for some wild reason they were to legalize it, it wouldn't stop drug dealers from creating a whole new underground market. If it were to be legalized it would be under government control, and would more then likely be taxed up the a**!! Therefor freelance growers and drug dealers would more then likely do MORE business cause everyone wants that cheaper price.
HoboPelican
smokey4life wrote:
Legal or not there will still always be an underground market for it. Even if for some wild reason they were to legalize it, it wouldn't stop drug dealers from creating a whole new underground market. If it were to be legalized it would be under government control, and would more then likely be taxed up the a**!! Therefor freelance growers and drug dealers would more then likely do MORE business cause everyone wants that cheaper price.


Not sure if that's valid. If it became legal, it would just be another crop. Even if taxed like cigarettes I'm thinking it would still be cheaper than it is now. And people growing their own would be legal anyway Even if it was slightly cheaper to by it blackmarket, I'm betting most folk would rather go down to the liquor store and buy quality controlled dope instead of taking a chance with a street dealer.
Vrythramax
I'm not so sure the price would drop. It seems that the more people want something, the more the government wants to make off of it. It's rather like having a captive audience...they have to buy from you, know matter what the price. It is (possible) that the drug sellers would come up with a cheaper alternative in order to skirt the governments restrictions. Even if they (the drug dealers) didn't come up with a newer and cheaper drug, smuggling would still continue to avoid government imposed taxation.

In any even't, there really is no clear answer to this particular problem...and it will continue.
Demiah
XD its legal where i live ( The Netherlands )
Razz xD at least i can freely smoke a joint in front of a police car =)
(and belive me, i did)
Vanilla
No. At least, not in Brazil. We're a big and wonderful country, and we do have our own problems. It's hard to deal with traffic, and another countries from south america aren't like the best examples. Marijuana is, for sure, a dangerous drug.
izimngcubes15
counselr10 wrote:
I am a drug/alcohol counselor and many teens have told me if pot were legal there would be very few gang problems, kids in jail, and most of societies ills will be gone, except maybe for the few that get addicted. What do you think? I have arguements either way.


Health is most important, and plus if not one way, there'll still be gangs around maybe increasing.
ainieas
Make ALL drugs legal. If we can send kids barely out of their teens to die in foreign lands in wars not their own we can very well give them other easier ways to kill themselves.
Vrythramax
ainieas wrote:
Make ALL drugs legal. If we can send kids barely out of their teens to die in foreign lands in wars not their own we can very well give them other easier ways to kill themselves.


That is totally absurd! If that were the case, why not legalize all guns as well...it would make the killing so much faster.
Jman2425
I am in highschool and I see daily what is going on in there. Drugs do horrible things to people. I have watched it destroy peoples lives right before my eyes. I think that anyone who would want to use any type of drug is just asking for a screwed up life.

Now, whether or not it should be legalized to take these drugs? There are two sides to that. It is true that many people crave what they are not allowed to have greater than the things that they are allowed to have. This says that it should be legalized in an attempt to make it less appealling. On the other side, it would be morally wrong to place something on the market that has the potential to destroy peoples lives.

So when it comes down to it, I really don't have an opinion either way. I believe that when it comes to drugs, we all have to make a personal decision. Even if it is legalized, the way it affects people does not change. If you decide to do it, then that is your problem. But if you don't, then that just shows how much more intelligent you are than everyone else out there.
HoboPelican
Jman2425 wrote:
...

Now, whether or not it should be legalized to take these drugs? There are two sides to that. It is true that many people crave what they are not allowed to have greater than the things that they are allowed to have. This says that it should be legalized in an attempt to make it less appealling. On the other side, it would be morally wrong to place something on the market that has the potential to destroy peoples lives.


Well, I like the fact you see two sides to the issue, but I have point out that making it less appealing by legalizing it is NOT my point. My point is that medical studies and personal experiences by myself and others indicate that there is NOT a strong reason to keep it illegal. We are equating it, and fairly I think, with alcohol. Many people use one or the other with little effect on their lives. Of course, there is one difference that should be noted. They have shown that alcohol can be physically addictive. This has not been shown to be the case with grass. In fact, and this is strictly opinion here, they seem to have made up the term "psychological addiction" to make it sound like it is addictive. I think what it really means is that people like and want to do it again. Wink
MDCNK
Demiah wrote:
XD its legal where i live ( The Netherlands )
Razz xD at least i can freely smoke a joint in front of a police car =)
(and belive me, i did)

haha I know Laughing it's so cool, I live in Holland too and no problems here! I like it this way and I do not believe there would be more crime, I think less because everybody is just relaxing, you dont feel like doing much, you just want to relax, unless youre just 'high' then you can have fun and stuff but I still dont think it'll cause more crime, maybe less or just the same.

I'm not a big smoker but I recently just quit smoking tobacco, that's a real killer right there, when you smoke weed it comes down to 3 times more tar and carbon monoxide if you smoke it with tobacco. It all depends on yourself, how you deal with your drug, just like alcohol you just should use it with moderation.
We are all humans and have genes in our bodies, not every body can handle the same amount of weed or whatever it is that you're using. You should just keep in mind that you dont have to overdo it, when you're feeling high/stoned...stay there, don't keep puffing/drinking/sniffing etc. it.
jarred89
isnt it already Confused
erlendhg
I'm against drugs, and my personal opinion is that no drugs should be legal.
Others may have their opinion Smile
watersoul
Here in the UK cannabis was recently re-classified as class "c" (class "a" being heroin/crack etc) and it means that unless your smoking in a public place, or in possesion of a large amount considered to be for supply to others, you will not be arrested, but may have it confiscated from you by a police officer.
I'm not sure about complete legalisation for cannabis/pot/hash though, the price is so cheap here that hardly any thefts can be caused by people trying to fund a habit, it is the more expensive drugs that cause crimes like breaking & entering houses, street robbery etc.
One problem with the drug only being obtained from illegal dealers is that the dealers themselves often try to encourage users to buy other drugs such as speed/base/amphetamine or ecstacy/pills etc as well as the pot. You don't go to a legal chemist/drug store for painkillers and then get a hard sell from the person behind the counter trying to encourage you to buy harder substances!
This issue is so large and difficult, i wouldnt know what to suggest if i was in a position of government... it is perhaps ironic though, that the legalised drugs kill more people in the UK than illegal pot smoking - 30 to 40 thousand per year from alcohol, and over 100 thousand from cigarette smoking!
Anything in moderation my Grandmother always used to say - maybe she had a point, just because a government says something is good or bad doesnt always mean it is Smile
hive
Legalize the vegetables, they can't be guilty for our mistakes. They are free to grow.
aceflooder
if it become legal , get ready to see some people doing weird things in the street.and bad things
Vanquish
HoboPelican wrote:
Vanquish wrote:
...but once you stop being stoned and whilst your a frequent user and aren't stoned, you get extremely paranoid and aggressive.


First I ever heard that. Doesn't sound like anything I ever saw or experienced. You sure about that?

It changed my brother a great deal when he stopped smoking it, and I saw the things in him that he couldn't, now he's calmed down and isn't aggresive towards his girlfriend and isn't paranoid anymore, he's just getting his life sorted now.

Neal
RNTEACHER
There will always be drugs. They will always sell by powerful people and organizations. it's a way to control the mass. it's a way to portray the ultimate evil. it's important for the very structors of society. Legalization will push society towards other evils. if today many teens are using marijuana to rebel and feel "unattached", tomorrow it will be heroin or speeds or whatever. maybe if tabaco was illigal people would smoke that to rebel and the users of marijuana would have been concidered as hard users. evil is part of our daily control systems. but it is for us, for society to determin just what it is - canabus or speeds
hades9366
My take on all this is yes anything used excessively is bad for you whether it's pot, alcohol or even caffeine. I know that's simplifying things a lot and there are different scales of consequences but I don't believe that marjuana is more harmful than alcohol and I do believe that you have to let people be responsible for their own choices.
bulek
It shouldn't be legal, it's too dangerous to use and very unhealthy. That's my opinion...
Vrythramax
bulek wrote:
It shouldn't be legal, it's too dangerous to use and very unhealthy. That's my opinion...


I agree that is should be legalized for the [possible] exception of medicinal usage, but I think your reasoning may be a bit flawed. The only real danger (that I know of) to MJ use is the amount of tar and nicotine it puts into your lungs. In that resepct it is almost as hazardous as cigarette smoking.

I don't believe total legalization is going to help stop the problem. MJ has been called a "gateway" drug that only leads to usage of more powerful and dangerous drugs...I don't believe this to be true. I have known many who only smoke MJ and wouldn't touch anything harder unless you held a gun to thier head. I think if a person is inclined to actually want to use harder drugs, then yes, MJ is a great way to get your feet wet (sort to speak), but I think it has more to do with the charactor of the individual and not MJ itself.
Bockman
Note to readers: this is the USER Bockman talking and not any team position.

Vrythramax wrote:
I have known many who only smoke MJ and wouldn't touch anything harder unless you held a gun to thier head. I think if a person is inclined to actually want to use harder drugs, then yes, MJ is a great way to get your feet wet (sort to speak), but I think it has more to do with the charactor of the individual and not MJ itself.


In my case i could change the "unless" for "even if".

I have had my "I'll huff, and I'll puff till I bring myself down" days long ago and only thing i smoked was MJ (ash really puts me in a low mood, so i disliked it. only MJ). I never had the curiosity to smoke/sniff anything else (and i've had mostly everything at arms reach at one time or another), if i ever felt anything about other illegal drugs, it was fear.
I never heard of MJ causing addiction (the irritation and aggressiveness are usually related to people who stop smoking.. cigarrettes) and it didn't cost me one bit to stop smoking it (well, i sometimes miss the foolish things we did when we were high, but I must grow up at some point).

My only point in this thread is:
Why is MJ illegal on some countries (my situation is simillar to UK's, so not really a crime to smoke) and tobaco is legal? tobaco is much worse to anyone's health and governments allow it, as they allow alcoohol.
In Portugal's case, i can see the (real) reason for that. The government has almost 50% tax on tobaco products, so they have a great income from it. HENCE, it is and will remain legal. same thing with the booze, although i dunno how much tax there is in it (appart from the 21% all "luxury" products have (wich is almost everything but food and medicine))

I don't know if legalizing it would bring crime rates down, but it would sure stop street sellers and, most of all, it would decrease or eliminate the chance of people selling other (chemical) stuff to youngsters as if it were MJ.

now a little off-topic:

Has anyone ever wondered why we had a "catch the terrorist" farse on Afganistan?

I do not have the links but i've read from ONU's reports that before the Taliban had control of Afganistan there was a opium production of 5 000 TONS, and after they took control, they reduced it to 500 TONS (mostly produced in northern afganistan, not controlled by talibans).
Since the Taliban's were removed from power, the opium productions has sky rocketed again (last report said something about 4 500 TONS) in Afganistan.

Everyone had a catch on that war (Russia for example saved millions by passing the oleoduct through Afganistan, instead of around it. And no, the Taliban didn't allow Russia to build the oleoduct in Afganistan).

NOTE: I am NOT pro-Taliban and i agree that control by force WAS necessary and that terrorists had to be brought down. my problem is the real reason why they went there in the first place, and (for me) it wasn't because of terrorism...

Unfortunately, most governments have always something to gain out of drugs (legal or not)

Be Well Cool
Vrythramax
@Bockman and all Frihosters...

My comments are certainly my own and should not reflect the policies or opinions of frihost....I was mearly speaking my mind.

I apologize if my position was, or may have, been misunderstood.

Peace.
HoboPelican
And, of course it goes without saying that my comments are my own and should not be interpreted as anything else. Smile

Just a question for all of you who think it should be kept/made illegal. Do you think laws should be based soley on what what people "think", or should actual scientific evidence be considered? My point being, so many of you say things like "I think it kills brain cells", "I think it leads to harder drugs", "My friend did it and he's a loser", but these are all believes and feelings. If studies were listed that showed none of these were factual or that the vast majority of users are not affected in a negative way, would you change your minds?

I'm not saying that would be wrong, a lot of laws are based on community standards. I'm just wondering how those against legalization feel about this question.
sraya
That's what I am saying.

You dont want to use it? Just dont. If someone wanted to pass a law that every MUST use MJ, then it's wrong. I am against THAT... But why shouldn't I be able to.. legaly? People can do Banji jumps, or snepling or thousend other stuff wich are far more dangerous than smoking pott. Banji is legal... so should b MJ.

am I right or am I left?
S3nd K3ys
One question for the counselor; what medical affects does pot have on a user?
Vrythramax
S3nd K3ys wrote:
One question for the counselor; what medical affects does pot have on a user?


I have asked almost the same question....nobody seems to want to answer it. Go figure Confused
HoboPelican
Vrythramax wrote:
S3nd K3ys wrote:
One question for the counselor; what medical affects does pot have on a user?


I have asked almost the same question....nobody seems to want to answer it. Go figure Confused
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Well, to take the worst case position, I grabbed the governments descrption. Keep in mind that they have a vested interest in the status quo.

Quote:
The short-term effects of marijuana can include problems with memory and learning; distorted perception; difficulty in thinking and problem solving; loss of coordination; and increased heart rate. Research findings for long-term marijuana abuse indicate some changes in the brain similar to those seen after long-term abuse of other major drugs. For example, cannabinoid (THC or synthetic forms of THC) withdrawal in chronically exposed animals leads to an increase in the activation of the stress-response system5 and changes in the activity of nerve cells containing dopamine6. Dopamine neurons are involved in the regulation of motivation and reward, and are directly or indirectly affected by all drugs of abuse.
http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/marijuana.html

When reading, remember that "short-term effects" does not mean permanent effects from short term use, but effects while high/. Short term is just what you'd expect, and exactly what users want.

The rest seems to my mind to be trying to spin single studies. They use words like "similar" and then, where everything else in the article is written for the layman, they get very technical. " increase in the activation of the stress-response system", does that mean that they are no longer as laid back as they were when using it? They finish up with saying it affects dopamine receptors, "just like all drugs of abuse". and running, alcohol and all sorts of other things.

Later, I may do further digging, but I figured we could start with the governments facts/propaganda. Is this the sort of thing you guys wanted to see?
Vrythramax
With due respect to the government (??), but that description could also be applied to a first date with a pretty woman. They both seem to have the same effects. Confused
arkebuzer
I´m not saying it should be legal. But I think it´s really rather strange it´s illegal when alcohol isn´t.

Either make both illegal or allow both.

This is based on the info I have been given - that alcohol is way more dangerous than weed to your body.

I have not tried weed myself though, so I cant really say I know that for a fact. But from what I heard alcohol destroys quite a lot in your body while weed gives less cancer than ciggarettes and also only makes you think slower for a limited ammount of time.

It´s very possible though that the damage is permanent. who knows?
But so is damage from alcohol, and that´s prooven scientificaly (spelling?).
smokey4life
Hmm...that is very true, either way you cut it tho i see it causing more crime cause there will be many dealers out of work as a result of that.
Rosanova
ciaran27 wrote:
First and foremost, if you accualy go and do the research on how the first drug laws in the US came into existance, it is a joke. They were created by extremly narrow minded bigoted people in our government for alterior motives. Geez that sounds familiar.

As to weather Pot shoud be legalized. I say anyone who has ever consumed an alcoholic drink, you have consumed a substance that has caused, and will continue to cause iresponcible people to mame and kill innocent people. To all those who smoke Cigarettes, you have made a choice to smoke a PLANT that produces MIND ALTERING AFFECTS in persuit of your lives happiness. That takes care of at least 3/4 of the people in the world from any country, income, or sex. To this day Cigarettes and Alcohol have harmed far more people than marijuana by far, yet they are legal, available, and heavily taxed world wide.

I have never seen a pothead come home from a pot bar after work and beat his wife in front of his children. I have never seen a pothead spend money he needs to eat on pot. I have never seen a pothead cause a 10 car pile up on a major road causing 3 deaths.

The bottom line of it is that the american people have been lied to since the first drug laws were put on the books. At the same time they were allowed to freely use other mind altering substances only becayse the government can tax them. It is an official legal policy called hypocrocy that the US government has kept around as standaed policy since day one.


I've heard that it was an American general after 2nd ww that without any further analyses did recommand the US goverment to delegalize products from the Cannabis plant, and then did Europe bought it without any doubt. But nowadays have some sceientists find out that many contnets from the cannabis plant can be useful in many cases. There have even been written books about it. I've also heard that it is being used at some hospitals in California, but I don't know if it only roumors.

Politically would I mean that the police have much and more important things to do, than hunting people who uses cannabis/pot/hash.

My personal advice is as shot as follow: Legalize it!

Cheers!
MWANGI
counselr10 wrote:
I am a drug/alcohol counselor and many teens have told me if pot were legal there would be very few gang problems, kids in jail, and most of societies ills will be gone, except maybe for the few that get addicted. What do you think? I have arguements either way.


I think it should be legalized since it was planted there by God.I think it is everyones right to to what he or she wants as long as it is not affecting anyone else. People already know the risks they are taking and those are their own risks so why should it be banned.Let people live their own lives.Maybe they cannot afford alcohol. lol
a.Bird
MWANGI wrote:
People already know the risks they are taking and those are their own risks so why should it be banned.Let people live their own lives.

The U.S. government doesn't believe in this. The people in charge of the system have humbly taken the position of world police. They cannot kneel to the people, accept that a true democracy should exhibit citizens running the government, as opposed to the government running the citizens. They tell us what they think we should know and restrict us of any freedom to discover alternative truths.

I highly agree with you but I don't think officials of the cabinet could ever get over themselves enough to see where you are coming from.
smokey4life
Yeah there we go what the guy above me said lmao Wink I can definitely agree with the fact the police have more important issues to deal with then to hunt for such an unharmfull substance.
sarapicoazul
Alcohol or tobacco consumption is worse than marijuana consumption. It's all about social acceptance and prejudice.

CR
a.Bird
sarapicoazul wrote:
Alcool or tobacco consumption is worst than marijuana consumption. It's all about social acceptance and prejudice.

CR

Completely agree. When all the facts are on the table, ALL of them for both sides of the argument (something many extremists can't handle) all that is left in the way of officially accepting marijuana as part of our culture (It already is a HUGE part of our culture!!!) is prejudice, plain and simple.
wowz
Wow! I'm so glad to see that there are so many educated people out there instead of people just saying

"OMG NO! It'S DRUGS! DRUGS ARE BAD!"

Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Currently, in my country, we're researching medicinal marijuana.

Marijuana is habbitual, but then, so is everything else. It is not addictive. (Habbitual, for those that don't know... means you can make it a habbit.. but people make games, alcohol, excessive cleaning, internet use, etc.. habbits Smile it's all habbitual too)

And you're right about it being better for you than tobacco... even without filters, marijuana smokers intake less tar and all the other bad stuff that tobacco has. Comparison charts show that the amount of these things in tobacco are much higher than marijuana.

But they aren't going to make it legal in the USA anytime soon. Your pres tried to tell my country's leader not to decriminalize it (which we needed to do for reseach)... and so.. we didn't listen. LOL

Good luck with it though! Hopefully you'll get gay marriage too Smile like we have
ralphbefree
great question; but I think that a more important question should be:
Should Marijuana be Illegal? Before 1930 it was legal! When competition between plastic production from petro-sources VS. plastic production from Bio-sources became a heated debate major political and business players conspired to eradicate Cannabis Sativa. In fact it was only 2 days before the commitee voted to make marijuana illegal that they found out that this evil weed that makes people go crazy was the same as Cannabis, a mainstay ingredient in thier medicines that they themselves had been taking all thier lives.
During the 1930's under the CIA MK-ULTRA project marijuana was tested as a truth serum. When results indicated that subjects that smoke marijuana are less likely to succum to normal propoganda techniques a massive global "war" was declared on Cannabis.
Twenty years later Baby-Boomers where in full force making thier way into the world. Naturally rebelling against the ways of the previous generation caused a backlash of marijuana smoking once these baby-boomers reached thier early 20's. At this time the late 1960's marijuana smoking was so prevelant in the USA that it prompted the President to issue a commission to study the effects of Marijuana Smoking. Nixon was no fan of Cannabis and appointed some rather tough critics to the commision; named after its leader Shaffer. The Shaffer Report as it has become known as advised the president that marijuana should be made legal. Nixon became so outraged that he declared an official "war on drugs" with Marijuana and Heroin leading our society to distruction.

For the last 75 years political maneuvering has effected global sentiment to an anti-cannabis sediment.

could hemp be a logical solution to the oil crisis?
could hemp be a logical solution to the deforestation, and global warming?
could hemp be a logical solution to the social problem of alcoholism?
Game Fortress
Legalizing drugs dosent seem like a good idea to me. Its not quite like the prohibition of alcohol in the US in the early 1900 (wich caused severe problems and even sparked the beginnings of organized crime when people were driven to produce alcohol illegally as bootleggers) because the general public dosent foster an addiction. Making cigarettes legal has not really reduced their use either. Based on this assesment (and perhaps it is not well founded, but I do what I can) I think marijuana should remain illegal. Allowing people to use an additional drug that can lead to damage like car accidents with no fear of reprimand dosent strike me as wise.
Bones
essentialmedia wrote:


Yes it is a gateway drug, but you wouldn't know that because you probably forgot what we were talking about already. I like the way the drug addicts and stoners move for a forum to be closed. That is because he had to stop smoking for at least 20 minutes to formulate a response and it's cramping his style all this "adult talk".

Hey....don't procreate, PLEASE!!


No it is not a gateway drug.

Try doing some research about the gateway effect of marijuana, perhaps you will come up with links like this: http://www.marijuanalibrary.org/gateway.html

Or this one:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html From the Washington post that shows that studies have found there is no link to suggest that marijuana use (even heavy and chronic use) causes cancer.

The truth is, sure if you smoke weed every day and become a chronic user then you are going to have health problems. The same could be said if you abuse tobacco, or alcohol, or Advil for that matter.

I think that the responsibility to say enough is enough should be in the hands of the user and not the government, which is run by narrow minded politicians that have nothing more in mind than their own personal gain.
-+Enigma_84958+-
no not at all, i know it makes some people made when i say that but it is how i feel. if it wasnt illegal then we would be seriously messed up as a community and people woul drop out of school and become dumber than they already are.
HoboPelican
-+Enigma_84958+- wrote:
no not at all, i know it makes some people made when i say that but it is how i feel. if it wasnt illegal then we would be seriously messed up as a community and people woul drop out of school and become dumber than they already are.


Well, you are perfectly free to think that, obviously we all have opinions about it. Just be aware that others are refering to studies and situations that tend to disprove your beliefs. Just look at the countries where it is already decriminalized and you can see that your worries seem groundless.
Tyreal
my opinion is that pot should be allowed indoors.Cause its good to smoke some weed once in a while.Not to mutch tough but it's your own fault if you become a junkie
benwhite
It's not good for you, but what is. I like consistency. Since it's not particularly more dangerous (if at all) to many currently legal substances, then why not. I can understand why a government would feel obligated to restrict heroin, cocain, and meth.

But pot? Waste of time.
Da Rossa
Tyreal wrote:
my opinion is that pot should be allowed indoors.Cause its good to smoke some weed once in a while.Not to mutch tough but it's your own fault if you become a junkie


But it is not fair to have the neighbour from below smoking heavily. I have to deal with it constantly. There may be the neighbours from the floor under mine and those that smoke in groups on the ground. The smoke is still dense when it gets to the fourth floor..
a.Bird
Da Rossa wrote:
But it is not fair to have the neighbour from below smoking heavily. I have to deal with it constantly. There may be the neighbours from the floor under mine and those that smoke in groups on the ground. The smoke is still dense when it gets to the fourth floor..

Politely tell them your situation and ask them to smoke out of a window. If they refuse then tell them you're going to have to talk to your landlord about it and they probably won't be as understanding. This doesn't seem so much like an issue of pot use, but more of disrespect.

As far as people smoking weed on the ground goes, well... you really have no rein there. If you wanna get the man involved that's your decision but otherwise you can't really tell "groups on the ground" what to do with themselves.

Game Fortress wrote:
Making cigarettes legal has not really reduced their use either. Based on this assesment (and perhaps it is not well founded, but I do what I can) I think marijuana should remain illegal. Allowing people to use an additional drug that can lead to damage like car accidents with no fear of reprimand dosent strike me as wise.
Well you are correct that your assesment is not well founded, but I'll gladly point out why. For one, you cannot draw a parallel between tobacco and marijuana. They are two different substances with different psychoactive chemicals. I can see how limiting cigarette use could be for the good as it's physically addictive and users tend to smoke more and more cigarettes until they are posing health problems. However, strong evidence shows that marijuana is not physically addictive, mainly because consumers don't reach a tolerance, nor do they experience withdrawal that is commonly experienced when a tobacco user tries to quit.

Marijuana Myths, Claim No. 9
What if you knew that some research indicates that marijuana is not physically addictive?
05/24/05: Articles claiming that marijuana is physically addictive

Secondly, speaking from personal experience as well as stories told by close friends and many people on forums (best way to get information on first hand experiences is to find a forum and actually TALK to these people before making rash statements from an unexperienced position), being high behind the wheel does not make you a reckless driver. You are more aware of your surroundings, you are more focused on the road, and believe me... you are much more thoughtful of the repercussions of making bad decisions on the road while steering thousands of pounds of metal.

Just as an interesting sidebar for anyone who doesn't already know, there have been no reported deaths directly related to the use of marijuana, and I'm pretty sure that counts out any idea of people killing themselves while smoking behind the wheel.
Vrythramax
Everyone here is speaking the pros and cons about the legalization of pot....but I haven't heard anyone mentioning the effects of second hand smoke on non-users. Pot has just as much tar and nicotine as cigarettes, and people are so down on cigarette smokers cuz it's "bad for you, and those around you".

Any comments?
Bones
Vrythramax wrote:
Everyone here is speaking the pros and cons about the legalization of pot....but I haven't heard anyone mentioning the effects of second hand smoke on non-users. Pot has just as much tar and nicotine as cigarettes, and people are so down on cigarette smokers cuz it's "bad for you, and those around you".

Any comments?


Marijuana contains no nicotine. Nicotine is the addictive drug in tobacco.
As far as second hand smoke goes, I think that marijuana should be legal, but it should have the same restrictions that tobacco and alcohol have.

I don't think you should be able to walk down the street with a joint in your hand, any more than you can walk down the street with a beer in your hand.

Therefore, if I am smoking pot in my own house, then second hand smoke really becomes a non-issue, because if you don't want to be exposed to it, then fine, don't visit me when I'm having a puff, or step outside while I do.
a.Bird
Vrythramax wrote:
Everyone here is speaking the pros and cons about the legalization of pot....but I haven't heard anyone mentioning the effects of second hand smoke on non-users. Pot has just as much tar and nicotine as cigarettes, and people are so down on cigarette smokers cuz it's "bad for you, and those around you".

Any comments?


I really don't understand why second hand smoke is a public issue. Yeah, if you're chiefing ciggies in your car while the windows are rolled tight and your little daughter is in the back seat, that's messed up. However, in a public park where the area is WIDE open and smoke is quickly caught and dispersed by the slighest drift, I don't see why people are so worried. You aren't going to get lung cancer from people walking down the street smoking a cigarette. You're probably less likely to die from that than you are from eating at McDonalds. And whether it's a joint or a cigarette, the same basic principle applies. Anyone, please correct me if I'm wrong about anything.
datter
Short answer to the original question: Yes.
Vrythramax
Second-Hand smoke may indeed be a non-issue is some circumstances (and the contents, meaning tars and nicotine is open to question....I see no links), but here in the US it is a major factor. There are comunities where it is actully illegal to smoke a cigarette outdoors. It is is actually against federal law to smoke inside any public building. I don't see how the government is going to allow one form of smoke and try to ban another.

*edited*...for spelling.
HoboPelican
Actually, the British Journal of medicine recently published a peer reviewed article that gives good evidence that the dangers of second hand smoke are almost undectectable. There have bee other studies that have similar findings, but nobody wants to publish them... In this country, it's professional suicide to say such things.

Here is the link to the popluar (non-tech) article about it.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/05/21/1053196637934.html
Chris24
Pot should be legal, but just like alcohol at a certain age. It can be taxed and ease the burden that the gov't puts on other commodities like cigs, and gas.....If you can't control yourself then you shouldn't even drink, it is just as addictive
smgamerz
In Netherlands its legal..so I think it must be legal every where.
a.Bird
I could be very wrong but I feel like debating this issue with people who are conditioned to fear the drug is a lost cause. For those who have fallen into the scheme of listening to what Big Brother tells them, because only he can provide, it seems that giving a few honest answers about weed and sharing a few good facts just does not get through. Giving examples of other countries with legalisation and lower crime rate just does not get them to budge. I could go on and on. For those of us in the states, including myself, we have and are continuously being conditioned on a mass scale. So much for freedom of thought. It makes me sick.
blendbet
smgamerz wrote:
In Netherlands its legal..so I think it must be legal every where.



So what's the point to be legal?
In my country it is illegal to they want to keep the prices up Twisted Evil
Bones
Anyone who wants more information about marijuana, and anyone who still thinks it should not be legal should really read this http://www.drugwarfacts.org/marijuan.htm

It contains a LOT of information and references to every source used.
For instance:
Quote:
Since 1969, government-appointed commissions in the United States, Canada, England, Australia, and the Netherlands concluded, after reviewing the scientific evidence, that marijuana's dangers had previously been greatly exaggerated, and urged lawmakers to drastically reduce or eliminate penalties for marijuana possession.


Well, that's no surprise to ayone who has done any research into the subject, but still a very interesting read. It also dispels the myths regarding marijuana being a gateway drug, causing psychosis etc etc

Actually, one of the more interesting pieces of information I found was from the US DEA which surprised me because many states have extremely harsh penalties for possession
Quote:
The DEA's Administrative Law Judge, Francis Young concluded: "In strict medical terms marijuana is far safer than many foods we commonly consume. For example, eating 10 raw potatoes can result in a toxic response. By comparison, it is physically impossible to eat enough marijuana to induce death. Marijuana in its natural form is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man. By any measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within the supervised routine of medical care.:

Source: US Department of Justice, Drug Enforcement Agency, "In the Matter of Marijuana Rescheduling Petition," [Docket #86-22], (September 6, 1988), p. 57.


The one thing that I have found very hard to locate, is any hard evidence to show why marijuana prohibition should continue at all!
Mostly I have only managed to locate people's opinions, and incorrect and unfounded assumptions like marijuana is a gateway drug (which has been proven several times to be false). Not to mention the fact that if you really want to insist that it is a gateway drug (even though the evidence shows otherwise) don't forget the fact that almost every marijuana user started with either alcohol, tobacco or both.
HoboPelican
counselr10 wrote:
I am a drug/alcohol counselor and many teens have told me if pot were legal there would be very few gang problems, kids in jail, and most of societies ills will be gone, except maybe for the few that get addicted. What do you think? I have arguements either way.


Well, counselr, you asked for input and you got it! I'm curious if you have any response now that this issue has been beat to death? Smile
pjdesigns
Marijuana should be legalized. There'd be a lot fewer crimes that way. Look at this. In the States, I don't remember when exactly it was somewhere in between the 50's to the 70's, the government decided to make the USA a dry country therefore banning alcohol for beverage purposes. This caused the crime rate to increase exponentially, even the good citizens of the states were buying alcohol from dealers imagine that. If Marijuana was banned less people would smoke it from lack of the thrill of breaking the law, and alot less people would get tempted to try it because it isn't illegal anymore? It's natural, it's much better to dope and fly than to drink and drive. Those who think that everything sucks about a person who is high, I don't remember who posted that, i think it was about a brother or something like that, maybe you should look at your brother when he's not high and see if things still suck about him. Or maybe he just doesn't go with the dope. He should try something like only the flowers, or just the pollen. I hope this will contribute to something. I gotta go roll a joint. Peace out. Hasta La Victoria Siempre. Arrow PJdesigns
smokey4life
wow i cant believe on how active of a topic this is no matter where you discuss it....everyone feels strongly about it but damn just legalize it already and get it over with i dont see why they couldnt just change the law back to the way it was if things didnt work out but i also dont see why the hell it would hurt to try?
danevans
I recently visited Amsterdam, and the system there with the coffeeshops just makes so much more sense than the way it works in most other countries. I never saw any problems with stoned people there; besides smelling it occasionally I never saw anyone obviously stoned in the street or causing a nuisance of any kind. There was no vibe of aggression whatsoever in any of the coffeeshops or even in the cafés and bars or on the street at night, which I found to be a hugely refreshing change compared to most pubs and bars here in the UK.

The fact is marijuana is just a pretty benign drug. Sure, it can cause problems if you already have or are predisposed towards mental health issues, but then so can plenty of other legal things. It just comes down to personal responsibility really.

Until recently I smoked weed pretty much constantly. While this wasn't the best thing for me, it didn't screw me up anywhere near as much as drinking alcohol to that extent would have. And now I have been able to cut down with hardly any trouble and only smoke occasionally. Not something you'd expect to be able to do with any drug that is truly addictive. I have a lot of friends who have experienced the same thing.

Dan
Mannix
The basis on which it was banned has since been proven false, that reason being public outcry over stories of teens getting high and doing horrible things, like chopping thier families to pieces with axes. It was also, like the laws enacted to control cocaine and opium(Though I believe those drugs should remain illegal, as they really can cause serious harm), partly to do with racism, but instead of blacks and chinese, it was against the mexicans. Don't see what's so bad about it, aslong as it's done responsibly. In contrast with alchohol it seems to calm people down, as opposed to shortening their temper.

Another benefit of legalization is three fold, people who would be fighting over gang territory would lose one of thier main products, if it's legal, it's taxable, and it would decriminalize a large percentage of the population(and by doing so relieve a little bit of the strain on the legal system).

I also think users should be treated as addicts, not so much criminals, the legal system should try to help them become productive members of society, as opposed to simply penalizing them. Our focus should be on treatment more than simply locking people up(goes with everything really).
carlokes
Hi guys,

A friend of minewent to Holland and took some time to speak(flirt?) with a waitress of a coffee shop and she told him and dutch people don't smoke marijuana, although it is legal. She said him that generally speaking, only tourists smoke drugs in Holland.

I lately came to the conclusion that the majority of the people that have smoked/smokes marijuana does it because it is illegal and because of the excitment of making somethiung illegal.

Well...thats just my opinium.


Stay cool !!
Rwatson1
I think it should be legal just because it makes people so happy, and lots of things that can kill yet still make people happy is legal so yeah. ive done it before and it has made my night so much more fun, i have never gone crazy with it though so i guess id need that experience first.
bugsr00t
marijuana is nice Very Happy
kd5nrh
PatTheGreat42 wrote:
I've never heard of anyone claiming that having a drink leads to drug problems,


Huh? Nearly every single person I know who admits to trying weed or anything else got talked into it because they were drunk at the time.
mjhz
i dont want it to be legal to use.. becouse its a drug, and allways will be:(
a.Bird
mjhz wrote:
i dont want it to be legal to use.. becouse its a drug, and allways will be:(


Wikipedia.com wrote:
A drug is a molecule that binds with a receptor in a cell membrane or an enzyme which produces some biological effect by altering the cellular functions as a result of that binding. It is usually synthesized outside of an organism, but introduced into an organism to produce its action. That is, when taken into the organisms body, it will produce some effects or alter some bodily functions (such as relieving symptoms, curing diseases or used as preventive medicine or any other purposes).

Note that natural endogenous biochemicals (such as hormones) can bind to the same receptor in the cell, producing the same effect as a drug. Thus, drug is merely an artificial definition that distinguishes whether that molecule is synthesized within an organism or outside an organism. For instance, insulin is a hormone that is synthesized in the body; it is considered as a hormone when it is synthesized by the pancreas inside the body, but if it is introduced into the body from outside, it is considered as a drug.


Not all drugs are bad.
eLto
I don't think that the gang-violence would drop. Most murders related to drugs have nothing to do with marihuana, but cocain, heroin, amphetamine and such. the higher-level stuff. You see, the higher the price, the higher the risk, and the higher the thrill. Drugs like cocain are considered to be luxury drugs compared to marihuana, and therefore, it costs more. more money means more issues. If you "borrow" a small amount of marihuana, and pay for it later, the dealer wouldn't mind so much if you're late with the payment, but if the same thing is done with cocain, you might end up in a wheelchair the rest of your life.

So to all of you who are drug-councilers and such, please don't talk about a subject you really have no clue about. and by this I mean that you might know of all the drugs and their effects, may it be ups or downs, but as you've never actually been in the drugbusiness yourself, you shouldn't critisize or judge.

I can see that you think you know what you're talking about, being educated in the subject, but education has nothing to do with it. most dealers never even went to school.
drdestiny
legalizing marajuana will...
-fix our overspending and overcrowded jails
-reduce gang tensions
-legalize hemp

and its a fact that marajuana cannot kill you, it can disorrientate but cant kill.

i do think people should be allowed to do whatever they want in their own homes as long as it doenst harm others.

but there should be regualtions on where, and when. (like driving for example)

so i say go for it
jon9314
Josso wrote:
Smoking marijuana is actually less harmful than normal smoking and also a much less harmful drug than say alcohol for example. I won't mention exactly who but someone in my family smokes pot... not around me (I don't like passive smoking of any kind Rolling Eyes). It's pretty harmless to be honest and if it was legalized there would be no real problem but like any drug it can be harmful and should be used in moderation.
that is a misconception or a lie made up by pot heads.pot has more tar and othe harmfull "things" as well as destroy you memory. it is sad but i have seen many friends fall victim to that myth of it not being as bad. in short it should not be legalized but rather chacked down on more. i do however tink the male plants(the oned that don't get you high) should be grown for hemp. a verry usefull and durable fiber
mialynavahy
alkady wrote:
If it was legal, Gangs would enter new markets or expand existing markets such as Loan Sharking and so on.



yes, i agree, it's illegal like other drugs
ReubenWilliams
It is stupidly and redundantly hypocritical to legitimise some drugs whilst simultaneously condemming others, alcohol can be very harmfull, as can even choclate if taken with a bad attitude, however creating black markets encrouages criminal activity, not to mention, mixtures of all different quality supplies.

If people are relativly self centered and moderate enough then very few substances are truly harmfull if taken in safe enviroments, and in fact can lead to altered states of councousness which may be beneficial or thought provoking. If the user is unbalanced then branding that person a criminal and excluding them from society is certainly not going to help anybody as it marginalises that person, stops them being usefull and encourages them to commit crime etc.
funnyerror
I can see how it can be a life saver for some sick people, but too many people abuse it, so my answer is no.


-JC
zealious
ralphbefree wrote:
great question; but I think that a more important question should be:
Should Marijuana be Illegal? Before 1930 it was legal! When competition between plastic production from petro-sources VS. plastic production from Bio-sources became a heated debate major political and business players conspired to eradicate Cannabis Sativa. In fact it was only 2 days before the commitee voted to make marijuana illegal that they found out that this evil weed that makes people go crazy was the same as Cannabis, a mainstay ingredient in thier medicines that they themselves had been taking all thier lives.
During the 1930's under the CIA MK-ULTRA project marijuana was tested as a truth serum. When results indicated that subjects that smoke marijuana are less likely to succum to normal propoganda techniques a massive global "war" was declared on Cannabis.
Twenty years later Baby-Boomers where in full force making thier way into the world. Naturally rebelling against the ways of the previous generation caused a backlash of marijuana smoking once these baby-boomers reached thier early 20's. At this time the late 1960's marijuana smoking was so prevelant in the USA that it prompted the President to issue a commission to study the effects of Marijuana Smoking. Nixon was no fan of Cannabis and appointed some rather tough critics to the commision; named after its leader Shaffer. The Shaffer Report as it has become known as advised the president that marijuana should be made legal. Nixon became so outraged that he declared an official "war on drugs" with Marijuana and Heroin leading our society to distruction.

For the last 75 years political maneuvering has effected global sentiment to an anti-cannabis sediment.

could hemp be a logical solution to the oil crisis?
could hemp be a logical solution to the deforestation, and global warming?
could hemp be a logical solution to the social problem of alcoholism?



To the people saying that it makes you do bad things, shut up. You obviously haven't tried the plant.

When it comes to legality... the government is turning inccoent people into criminals because of marijuana. The government makes too much money from it being illegal. that is the main reason it is illegal.

Did you know that the constitution was written on hemp?

Did you know that if it wasn't for the marijuana plant being one of the most complex plants on the planet. America would not have won its independence? And yet now we forbid it.

When marijuana was legal it was used for medical purposes. and boy did it do wonders.

Another main factor that made Nixon start the war on drugs was Drug companies. If you could simply grow a plant that would cure ur pain (and in different strains breeds help with many other ailments) that would pretty much knock a lot of pharmaceutical companies off the shelves.

Anything can be considered a drug.
One can become addicted to anything.

For Christ sakes chocolate is the gateway drug.

Life is about balance. Anyone can tell u that all things in excess are bad. To be so brain washed and closed minded to not even do ur own research just proves u are nothing but a sheep.

Places where marijuana have been decriminalized; hard drug use went down, crime went down and the economy went up.

The thing is. the drug ,being illegal, is on the black market. the black market funds evil things..
make the plant legal and stop funding terrorism.
Fake
Pot should stay banned. Just becuase it is common it doesn't need to be legalised. And being on pot or whatever the hell it is called, it is not 'cool'
HoboPelican
Fake wrote:
Pot should stay banned. Just becuase it is common it doesn't need to be legalised. And being on pot or whatever the hell it is called, it is not 'cool'


Well, that is a common thought, but it sort of ignores the whole discussion here. Can you tell us why it SHOULD be illlegal? Read the posts here. Is it any worse than alcohol? Should alcohol be illegal? An opinion is a great thing to have, but put some thought behind the issue and and dig deeper into than "it's not cool". Besides "cool" is highly subjective.
mstreet
I am related to someone that is addicted to it. They can not deal wih any type of situation without having that spliff first. It's quite sad actually they smoke pot like one smokes cigarettes. It has really put me off.
I do see some medical merrit in the drug but at the same time I don't feel that it should be legal for all to partake.
The drinking age in the States is 21. Drinking age in most provinces in Canada is 18. What should the age restriction be? What should the penalty be for someone who sells to a minor. How is the THC going to be regulated. I'm from Canada and yes we are known to have some of the greatest stuff around, the more natural untouched stuff as well. When I was in the UK for instance it was a total different experience. It wasn't a "social" experience it was we need to get stoned in one inhale experience. What happens when someone laces it, then what is it the same or will it be a crime. I guess there's lots to consider.
mceejaydee
Government can't tax it probably. Since marijuana grows at a fast rate.
achowles
If it was legal then there would be a minimum age. That alone is enough of an argument in my book as at present there is nothing that the law can to to define the difference between pushing it on kids and pushing it on adults.

Also I've seen mid-late teens go through pretty major personality changes once they started using it. Adults don't seem to be as easily affected. I'm sure that there is some biological explanation for that - hormones, brain not fully developed etc.

Essentially it would give the law a foothold on regulating its use which they clearly don't have most places at present.
Ray Gravin
If Pot was legalized it wouldn't reduce gang related crime at all. In fact it would only motivate those who were only involved with just Pot to move on to selling harder drugs. the distribution of illegal substances is not going to stop so easily. Organized crime didn't end after the prohibition and surely will not end after the legalizing of pot.

It could make it safer for those using said substance to have it regulated by the government. Production methods could be monitored for safety and quality and prices would most likely become much more competitive. I have read studies that have shown smoking marijuana to be as dangerous or worse on your respiratory system as Tobacco. Its not exactly healthy anyway you go about it. Neither is tobacco or alcohol though.

There are alternative ways to getting the THC into your blood stream though. I've heard about special vaporizers and of course the infamous brownie recipes. Smoking anything can't be healthy for your lungs.

The hallucinogenic effects of the active chemical in pot will probably keep it on the wrong side of the law in most countries though. Its just to dangerous having a large population of people chasing pink dragons. Cheeto's sales would go up though, so if it happens, Im investing in salty snack companies.
ChipMo
counselr10 wrote:
I am a drug/alcohol counselor and many teens have told me if pot were legal there would be very few gang problems, kids in jail, and most of societies ills will be gone, except maybe for the few that get addicted. What do you think? I have arguements either way.


Thats utter nonsense, we will have gangs, we will have prisons, we will have morons with or without weed. However, I do belive it should be leagal in your own space, home etc. any form of public smoking, should be banned because of the passive effects.

However in your own home, or out in a field or whatever, ofcorse you should be free to do whatever you like, weed, pills, coke, lsd, shrooms, whatever none of m buisness & it's none of the police's either.

With legality comes tax revinuies, better quality drug, stuff ain't cut with harmfull crap then you ge less deaths. It also makes it alot easyer for the doctors & the likes to help you as we know where its being taken, by prescription or whatever.
dz9c
weed is healthier than drinking.
mwasimba
I did some weed in my early days and the minute i started, i learnt alot on how to deal with people due to the meditation it helps you understand alot of things, e.g. Th presence of God when you look at stars and trees and wildlife etc. (if you dont believe in God i am not suggesting you try it)
But for me it was an eyeopener, up untill my grades were affected in school. One actually becomes more cautious, hence slower and that slowness impacted my grades in school negatively, so i quit and today i am happy that i did. Just like alcohol and all the other substances people consume e.g. Tea, COffee, we find that in excess it is dangerous and so on, am not for its legalization though i thought it funny that the people of the Holy land had a party advocating for it's legalization and it did rally massive youth support.
IT IS MORE BAD THAN GOOD STICK TO COFFEE
HoboPelican
mwasimba wrote:
.....so i quit and today i am happy that i did. Just like alcohol and all the other substances people consume e.g. Tea, COffee, we find that in excess it is dangerous and so on, am not for its legalization....


So by your argument tea, coffee and alcohol should be illegal, too? Shouldn't there be a higher level of danger before something is made illegal? Virtually anything you can consume can cause harm if consumed in excess. I don't think is a very good argument for keeping it legal.
Danomite
mstreet wrote:
Drinking age in most provinces in Canada is 18.


mstreet wrote:
I'm from Canada


...I hate to point things out, but the legal drinking age in our country is 19 except for Quebec because they have their own Government controlling more of the laws, hence why all everything there is in french as opposed to bilingual...sorry but when I read that it bothered me
HoboPelican
Danomite wrote:
mstreet wrote:
Drinking age in most provinces in Canada is 18.


mstreet wrote:
I'm from Canada


...I hate to point things out, but the legal drinking age in our country is 19 except for Quebec because they have their own Government controlling more of the laws, hence why all everything there is in french as opposed to bilingual...sorry but when I read that it bothered me

Canada Drinking ages

Looks like it's 18 in Alberta, Manitoba and Quebec, so you both are close. But the drinking age in Canada really is not the issue. Let's not go off on a tangent.
carlospro7
I wouldn't oppose the legalization of marijuana. I don't smoke, but I have read that cannabis, in its natural form and other forms, can be a cure to many health problems.
skygaia
Should marijuana be legal?

I don't know what is difference between marijuanas and other drugs.
I'm from Korea. In my country, all kind of drugs are not legal including marijuana. Many people think marijuana is similar to other drugs....

Sometimes a entertainer who were grown up in other country like U.S took a marijuana. Then it became a big issue in my country.
Usually he has to have time for 3~5 years to come back to TV shows..
jharsika
1)They say one joing is the equivalent of 10 cigarrettes, but people don't smoke as many joints as they do cigarrettes.

2) When it's illegal, it's funner!

3) There aren't that many studies on how harmful it is...only with heavy usage, and that can be controlled. Anything at all in excess is bad for you...I think more people die from hamburgers than marijuana. Actually this site http://www.jackherer.com/comparison.html says NOONE dies from Marijuana. In fact, studies show it has very little long term health problems! http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/pot/a/blucsd030628.htm

So no worries on increasing health care costs! (In canada)

4) If it's your choice it's your fault!

....'nuff said.
Danomite
I smoke cigs and pot, and when I die I'll have no one to blame but myself, so why leave the responsibility on the government to tell me what's right and what's wrong?
account
I could see it now. Me walking into pizza hut and seeing all the waitresses high. Shocked Actually I wouldn't care I have a friend who smokes that (I don't do drugs) and I just stay away from him when he does so...
Kyraxe
I don't see why it shouldn't be legal... it's less harmful then drinking in a lot of ways. People are a lot less likely to get into brawls when they are having the munchies...
Satori
I just finished reading this whole thread....all 7 pages of it. And I must say that HoboPelican, a.Bird, and Bones seem to me to have the most logical, reasonable, and most importantly, WELL INFORMED views on this topic.

I can understand why some people think it makes you lazy or unproductive. To an outsider with no actual experience in using it, most of the people they see and associate with the drug ARE lazy and unproductive. The big question here is, "is the drug the cause, or are lazy, unproductive people just more prone to smoking pot?" I had many friends in college who smoked pot. They ranged all over the entire spectrum of productivity. Some of them were honor roll students with straight A's, and others were deadbeats who didn't do shit or care about their futures. But maybe the reason so many "outsiders" think ALL potheads are lazy and unproductive is because ALL the potheads who got straight A's weren't self proclaimed potheads. The "outsiders" only saw the lazy bums who bragged about being stoned all the time. Stereotypes tend to perpetuate themselves.

In my own personal experience, people are how they are, regardless of whether or not they smoke pot. My biggest problem with the legality of pot is the restriction of choice placed upon the average, law abiding citizen. Our government allows people to choose activities (and drugs) based upon some sort of level of risk. But the big problem is that there is no coherency or standard that is adhered to. Alcohol causes liver diseases among other health problems, but it's legal and deemed within the tolerance of choice allowed to the general public. Meat of all kinds (in a scale with red meat being the worst and fish meat being the best) causes heart disease and other kinds of health problems, but you don't see the government making hamburgers or bacon illegal. Cigarettes cause lung cancer, emphysema, and lots of other health problems, but they are legal. Jumping out of a plane, even with a parachute, can kill you in rare cases, but it's legal. All of these things are deemed legal, but all have risk of death or disease associated with them. The government says "there are risks, but we'll leave it up to you to decide if it's worth it or not."

Pot is at LEAST less harmful than alcohol. It is NOT harmless, despite what anyone says. Show me a study that says it is and I'll show you 10 that say it isn't. Inhaling smoke of any form into your lungs is BAD for them. Just try and debate this with me...you will not win. But the thing about it is this....OF COURSE there is risk associated with smoking pot. But it EASILY falls within the margin of risk that the government usually allows the general public to decide for themselves. But with pot, they don't and that's what bothers me.

There are plenty of examples of legalization or decriminalization of pot in other countries where crime did NOT increase, nor did USE. Amsterdam is of course the prime example. Those who argue otherwise are ignorant.

That's really the main reason it IS still illegal. Ignorance and misinformation. The government has many reasons to continue it's prohibition and the motivation behind all of their reasons is greed. Money is what it's all about.

Now, here's why pot SHOULD be legal. There are many reasons.

1. Hemp is an incredible resource. Paper made from hemp is better for the environment in many ways. 4 times as much paper can be made from an acre of hemp than an acre of trees, hemp grows MUCH faster than trees do and doesn't deplete the soil of nutrients as quickly. Hemp fibers are the most durable natural fibers known to man. Clothing made from hemp is cheaper, more environmentally friendly and more durable than cotton. Lots more can be done with hemp...check out this link to see all the amazing things this plant can do:

http://www.hempfarm.org/Papers/Hemp_Facts.html

2. Pot is our nations largest cash crop. In 2006 its total production was worth more than corn and wheat combined:

http://aine.newsvine.com/_news/2007/01/04/505711-marijuana-production-in-the-united-states-2006-the-nations-largest-cash-crop

If it were legalized and regulated, most of this HUGE market would be taxed and therefore would greatly increase the income of the government, allowing for more spending on education and environment and other important areas.

3. Almost HALF of the non-violent drug arrests in this country are for pot. There are 1.5 million non-violent drug arrests annually. Almost HALF for POT!! Nearly 90% of the pot arrests are for simple possession!! Do you realize how much time and resources are wasted on this inane legal process?? Yet despite this war on drugs we have going on, 85% of high school seniors say it would be "easy to buy pot." WHAT A WASTE!! Obviously what we're doing to "keep our kids safe" is NOT WORKING. If we legalize pot, we free up a HUGE amount of legal resources. We free up a huge amount of prison space. We free up a huge amount of time for our police officers to spend combating SERIOUS crimes. We free up a huge amount of money to spend on EDUCATION about the positive and negative aspects of using marijuana!! Kids who are educated are going to make better decisions!! Kids who are told "no, that's bad, you can't do that" are just going to DO IT ANYWAY.

http://www.aclu.org/drugpolicy/decrim/10853res20011015.html

4. Pot is fun! For all of you stuffy conservatives who think "drugs are bad," LIGHTEN UP! You're all more than willing to take prescription drugs when you have an ailment. Prescription drugs don't CURE anything. They alleviate symptoms, most of the time with negative side effects. MOST prescription drugs do more harm to your body than smoking a joint would do to you. For those of you who couldn't possibly inhale smoke into your lungs (which is a perfectly reasonable argument against smoking pot,) EAT A POT BROWNIE! Make some pot butter and spread it on your toast in the morning. For GOD'S SAKE, experience it before you formulate an opinion about it.

I have never been sky diving. I will never say "skydiving is good (or bad)" until I TRY IT FIRST. To do otherwise is judgemental. When you form opinions that have no basis in experience, you set yourself up to look stupid or ignorant.

Pot is not for everyone. Try it. If you don't like it, don't do it. But DON'T judge those who choose to do so. If they live a life they enjoy, they respect others, and they don't do anyone any harm, LEAVE THEM ALONE!!

LET PEOPLE HAVE A CHOICE! That is what makes us all who we are...the ability to make our own decisions and act according to our own beliefs. Government does not exist to stifle that essential freedom we all possess.

So short answer...YES, pot should be legalized.
Rako
pot is legal in Amsterdam it really stinks. plus if a government made it legal there would be a public out roar. so no it shouldn't be legal.
Satori
Rako wrote:
pot is legal in Amsterdam it really stinks. plus if a government made it legal there would be a public out roar. so no it shouldn't be legal.


Do you live in Amsterdam? If so, what about it being legal don't you like? Has it effected you personally in a negative way?

To say that there would be a "public out roar" is just speculation that has no basis on fact. So it appears your opinion is just that...and you haven't backed it up with any supporting statements.
Danomite
Satori is my hero, very well said my good man *high 5*
Satori
Danomite wrote:
Satori is my hero, very well said my good man *high 5*


Thanks Danomite! Can you tell I have strong convictions about the subject? If you really appreciate what I said, do me a favor and take a look at my website Smile If you like it, tell your friends.

Thanks!
Danomite
may I suggest making glass pipes? Wink
Satori
Danomite wrote:
may I suggest making glass pipes? Wink


You certainly can make such a suggestion, but it's a little off topic.
Qube
EXTREMELY well put Satori.
I applaud you.
Offtopic, be careful about shipping any pipes across state lines if you live in the US.
They busted Chong for that. Sad
I read his book, I loved it.
But that kinda ties in, has anyone ever met Tommy Chong?
I have.
He is 1 of the icons of marijuana. (At least in the US.)
He is quite possibly 1 of the most intelligent, open-minded people ever.
So much for killing all those brain cells.

ciaran27 and Marston, thanks for pointing out that ignorance is the main problem to deal w/ when talking to the puppets.
I'm sorry, that came out wrong, that might have been seen as a little offensive.
But that's what it seems like to me, that the government tells you it's wrong, so it is.
Why is that?

Let me just point out some random facts in MY case.
Yes I do smoke, not frequently imo, but often.
Every other day tops.
It doesn't make me anymore stupid than I am.
I feel more creative, liberated, all-in-all, euphoric.
Dictionary.com wrote:
a feeling of happiness, confidence, or well-being sometimes exaggerated in pathological states as mania.

The ONLY time I feel lazy is when I'm in a lazy environment.
Such as friends and I relaxing on the couch watching a movie.

Gateway drug?
Wow, funny that I have NEVER wanted to try any other drugs while smoking.
That doesn't mean I haven't, such as coke.
But what's this, funny that was a 1-time thing that I've never done again.
Damn gateway drugs getting me addicted to everything out there.
/sarcasm

Kills people?
I don't think I'm dead.
Am I?
And I've been smoking for what...*counts*...going on 8 years.
So much for those long term effects also.
True I am lazy, but that is to the fact that I have a JOB.
I want to relax while I'm off, I come home tired as hell.
Also ties in that I don't smoke right before I go to work.
Nothing ruins a high like having to work hard.

I honestly know that alcohol and tobacco are more dangerous than marijuana.
Just like umm, Marston or ciaran put, do you see any "pot-heads" going out and causing wrecks on the highway?
No.
Someone retorted that that's because there aren't as many smokers as there are people drinking.
Your ignorance shines through my good friend.
You would not believe how much of the population actually does smoke.
Hell, that's how I've met so many friends and acquaintances.
Most are nice people, productive members of society.
Some are even what you'd call successful in life.
Guess marijuana doesn't destroy lives like 1 thought.
Wonder how that "fact" got skewered.

I could rant on and on, but I feel that no matter how many points and facts I might bring to the table, we will always have the nay-sayers.
Especially the ones that let their uninformed brains make their decisions for them.
Just as you hold "pot-heads" in a negative light, such is the way I hold you.
Go out, educate yourself, make the world a better place and not spread your bigoted words of slander for once.
Thank you.

PS: Economy-wise, I feel it's a smart decision to legalize.
It would reduce the depth of drug-dealers pockets.
It would give the government something to tax for their "ethical" wars.
It would free up police/jail space for dangerous crimes such as murder, kidnappings, etc.
And who knows, it might even be a focal point for future elections.
Satori
Qube wrote:
EXTREMELY well put Satori.
I applaud you.
Offtopic, be careful about shipping any pipes across state lines if you live in the US.
They busted Chong for that. Sad


No worries, I don't even make pipes, so I have none to ship anywhere
HoboPelican
Qube wrote:

I honestly know that alcohol and tobacco are more dangerous than marijuana.
Just like umm, Marston or ciaran put, do you see any "pot-heads" going out and causing wrecks on the highway?
No.
Someone retorted that that's because there aren't as many smokers as there are people drinking.
Your ignorance shines through my good friend.
....


Hmm, If you've read this thread, you'll know that I am a big supporter of pots legalization, but I have to take issue with a couple of your statements. Actually, I DO know at least 3 different friends who got into accidents while driving with weed involved (2 caused the wrecks directly, one might have been avoidable if she was straight). Sorry, it happens. Just like alcohol, pot does have an effect on judgment/reflex and even if it is legalized, I think anyone caught driving while stoned should be penalized as if they had been drinking.

The other issue is that you make a claim that there are as many if not more weed smokers as alcohol drinkers. Do you have any numbers on that? In my experience, virtually all smokers drink, but I know a lot of drinkers that don't smoke. That is purely anecdotal, but unless you have actually studies to cite, I think you are wrong on this point.

Don't get me wrong. I am completely in favor of decriminalization. I just think we ought to have our facts straight. Hyperbole and rants are not going to convince anyone. Wink
dubya888
Everyone here that is promoting decriminalization of pot seem to making very good points while those opposed make ignorant statements and are reduced to namecalling pot users stupid and losers. This is getting a bit redundant but the fact is marijuana is far less harmful than alchohol. Both pot and alchohol have landed me in a jail cell overnight. The difference is that I really regret my DUI because I could have harmed someone else. Alchohol has also caused me to get in fights and I've been arrested for disorderly conduct. When I smoked pot the only bad effects were the fact that it was illegal. I've never put someone else in harms way because I was high. How can something that grows from the ground be illegal. God made marijuana. Man made alchohol. To quote Jack Black when he was talking about legalizing marijuana, "The tyranny and the bullshits gotta end." Many people on this thread make better points than me but I don't wanna be redundant. My only question is this, How do we get senators and the rest of congress to pull their heads out of their asses??
eday2010
I think the weak-minded people who take feel the need to take drugs in the first place shouldn't be enabled to do so. They should be enabled to just deal with life as it is instead of relying on a substance to make things easier.

And before it can be legalized, they have to come up with a way to do a quick accurate test to test the level of intoxication for driving and such. No test exists yet, so it can't be legalized because there would be no way to tell just how stoned the ****** behind the wheel is who just rear-ended someone else. It affects your reflexes and motor skills to affect your driving ability just like alcohol; so until a proper roadside test is developed, like the breathalizer for alcohol, they can't legalize it.
vdk777
You guys already talked about all negatives and possitives conssequences of Marie-janne Legalisation, i want to add that if they legalise that all gangs will start making money legally and getting more income for other drugs which aren't legal.


I will be just glad if they legalise |m-J| i would buy a big truck loaded with this drug and start making money !! Twisted Evil
a.Bird
eday2010 wrote:
I think the weak-minded people who take feel the need to take drugs in the first place shouldn't be enabled to do so. They should be enabled to just deal with life as it is instead of relying on a substance to make things easier.
Not everyone who takes drugs (in the broad spectrum of "drugs", i.e., marijuana, cocaine, heroin, tylenol, insulin, etc.) does so because they are weak-minded. I can advocate this statement because I've spoken to people who wish to explore their environment by trying substances for the sake of experiencing them before they can make a sound judgment. Consuming a psychoactive substance does not necessarily mean that one is weak-minded (that is clearly a baseless opinion), but it does widen your understanding of the drug culture and possible yourself as a person. This is the same with many things in life; new experiences pave the way towards self-discovery.
HoboPelican
eday2010 wrote:
...
And before it can be legalized, they have to come up with a way to do a quick accurate test to test the level of intoxication for driving and such. No test exists yet,


These test DO exist. Do a little searching and you will find them. Results in minutes. Besides, a field sobriety test is all that is really needed to judge if a driver is impaired.

Does that kill THAT argument?
ShuuJi
I think if the marijuana would be legal some people will not smoke it because some people do things only because they are ilegal, they feel good breaking a rule. I think we should try and see how it goes.

ShuuJi. Sorry for my bad english, i'm Argentinian Rolling Eyes
Ecaesar
counselr10 wrote:
I am a drug/alcohol counselor and many teens have told me if pot were legal there would be very few gang problems, kids in jail, and most of societies ills will be gone, except maybe for the few that get addicted. What do you think? I have arguements either way.
i think it should
upestudios
are u kidding DERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRr lol
everyone knw it shouldnt be
ur luving it lol
but there are a few things bad like
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Marijuana is the most commonly abused illicit drug in the United States. A dry, shredded green/brown mix of flowers, stems, seeds, and leaves of the hemp plant Cannabis sativa, it usually is smoked as a cigarette (joint, nail), or in a pipe (bong). It also is smoked in blunts, which are cigars that have been emptied of tobacco and refilled with marijuana, often in combination with another drug. It might also be mixed in food or brewed as a tea. As a more concentrated, resinous form it is called hashish and, as a sticky black liquid, hash oil. Marijuana smoke has a pungent and distinctive, usually sweet-and-sour odor. There are countless street terms for marijuana including pot, herb, weed, grass, widow, ganja, and hash, as well as terms derived from trademarked varieties of cannabis, such as Bubble Gum, Northern Lights, Fruity Juice, Afghani #1, and a number of Skunk varieties.

The main active chemical in marijuana is THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol). The membranes of certain nerve cells in the brain contain protein receptors that bind to THC. Once securely in place, THC kicks off a series of cellular reactions that ultimately lead to the high that users experience when they smoke


and In 2004, 14.6 million Americans age 12 and older used marijuana thats pretty bad if u ask me
come on
ok if ur older but 12 year olds na man
thats not on Evil or Very Mad
kerryworkman
Personally I don't believe that the government should have any control of what we do or do not do to ourselves. It is not a question of using or not using drugs, it is a question of how much control the government should be able to inject into our lives. It is the same thing as the seatbelt or motorcycle helmet laws. It is about interfereing with our personal freedom. If you choose to take drugs, not wear a seatbelt, etc then you have to accept the outcome of your actions. The politicians are not our parents and do not have the right to dictate to us what is right or wrong as long as it does not affect someone else's personal freedoms.
kerryworkman
Very well put Satori and I couldn't agree more. Excellently thought out arguement. If I had read this first I probably wouldn't have bothered to add my little rant on the subject. Let people live, if they arent hurting you leave them alone, and don't be so judgemental. It is like the old saying judge not lest yee be judged, I am sure that no matter how you try to live your life someone else takes offence to the way you do things.
Sin Dasine
Yes!
I think that marihuna should be legalized,but there is only one problem.
In that case it wont be funny to smoke weed in public,and show a middle finger to the cops Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
I apologize to those cops,reading this! Cool
Here in Croatia,it's forbiden,but it makes a lot of fun,just because of that Very Happy
BTW,how much do you people smoke a day in those countries in witch it's allowed to do that bong-ing? Question
arkebuzer
eday2010 wrote:
I think the weak-minded people who take feel the need to take drugs in the first place shouldn't be enabled to do so. They should be enabled to just deal with life as it is instead of relying on a substance to make things easier.

And before it can be legalized, they have to come up with a way to do a quick accurate test to test the level of intoxication for driving and such. No test exists yet, so it can't be legalized because there would be no way to tell just how stoned the ****** behind the wheel is who just rear-ended someone else. It affects your reflexes and motor skills to affect your driving ability just like alcohol; so until a proper roadside test is developed, like the breathalizer for alcohol, they can't legalize it.


Quite insulting to call everyone using a drug for "weak-minded". Not saying it´s bad or good to use drugs, but it´s noting you need to insult someone for Razz

Further I dont think the driving part would be any problem, if the cops think someone is affected by weed the y could probably just make a blood test.

If alcohol is legal, I think weed should be as well. Smile
Satori
eday2010 wrote:
I think the weak-minded people who take feel the need to take drugs in the first place shouldn't be enabled to do so. They should be enabled to just deal with life as it is instead of relying on a substance to make things easier.


First off, it's quite obvious you've never tried any illegal drugs. That being said, your opinion is based on speculation and other's opinions, NOT on any personal experience. You have essentially set yourself up to look stupid, and done quite a wonderful job at it.

Now before you brand me as a junky hugger, YES there are weak minded people that exist, and YES some of them take illegal drugs. But not all weak minded people take drugs, and not all people that take drugs are weak minded. To make such black and white generalizations just broadcasts your ignorance to the general public (which I doubt was your intention at all.)

Also, HAD you ever taken any illegal drugs, your experience would surely tell you that they DO NOT make life easier. People don't do them because they magically cure all your problems...people do them because they're FUN. The weak minded people are the ones who use them to ESCAPE from the reality of their problems, and can't deal with these situations in a sober mindset.

Basically my point to you is this: Try not to formulate opinions about anything you don't have personal experience with. When you do, it just makes you look ignorant or stupid (or both.)
jon9314
First and foremost, if you accualy go and do the research on how the first drug laws in the US came into existance, it is a joke. They were created by extremly narrow minded bigoted people in our government for alterior motives. Geez that sounds familiar.

As to weather Pot shoud be legalized. I say anyone who has ever consumed an alcoholic drink, you have consumed a substance that has caused, and will continue to cause iresponcible people to mame and kill innocent people. To all those who smoke Cigarettes, you have made a choice to smoke a PLANT that produces MIND ALTERING AFFECTS in persuit of your lives happiness. That takes care of at least 3/4 of the people in the world from any country, income, or sex. To this day Cigarettes and Alcohol have harmed far more people than marijuana by far, yet they are legal, available, and heavily taxed world wide.

I have never seen a pothead come home from a pot bar after work and beat his wife in front of his children. I have never seen a pothead spend money he needs to eat on pot. I have never seen a pothead cause a 10 car pile up on a major road causing 3 deaths.

The bottom line of it is that the american people have been lied to since the first drug laws were put on the books. At the same time they were allowed to freely use other mind altering substances only becayse the government can tax them. It is an official legal policy called hypocrocy that the US government has kept around as standaed policy since day one.
BosLady
I don't want to join this debate, I just want to make a statement on my own personal medicinal purpose of pot.

I was involved in a car accident about 4 years back. Since then I have had horrible headaches that are cause from muscle spasms on my skull. I get these headaches about twice a week and the only thing that "legally" helps them is to take double or triple the recommended dosage of my muscle relaxers. Then I am out for the count and unable to do anything but lay there or sleep.

About a year ago, smoked pot when I was having a horrible headache episode. My headache didn't return for a month. I beleive that the marijuana put me in such a state of relaxation that it numbed those muscles and allowed them to relax and not flare up as often. Over the past year, I have smoked about once every 2-3 months. I notice that as soon as I get to the 2 months between smoking stage, the headaches come back full force at least twice a week again. Purely coincidental?? I think not.

When I was a younger, I was an everyday smoker. I liked it, I enjoyed it, IT IS NOT ADDICTIVE! If we ran out of weed, we didn't go commit crimes or wig out because we didn't have any. I feel a lot safer smoking weed than I do drinking. The argument about driving while stoned versus drinking is plain dumb. Of course you shouldn't drive if you are impaired from any substance. DUH Aside from driving (or operating machinery Wink ) I feel that pot is a safer choice than alcohol in my opinion.

I better stop now, I said I wasn't entering this debate, I have now gone beyond adding my two cents.

~Tiffany
tom69
Would it matter wether it would be illegal or lega, peole do drugs anyway...

If they would make it legal, which would be ridicilous, then even more people would get aids etc...

Is it me or are you asking me a pretty dumb question?
eggg
Somehow, I appear to have missed posting in this thread. Here, I'll sum up my position: Legalize it, legalize it, legalize it, legalize it. First off, I find it immoral to outlaw a species. Second, the only arguments I've ever heard for its ban run along the lines of, "It has all these terrible effects... (which are actually a bunch of lies I heard somewhere)," or... "I personally don't like people who smoke marijuana." Third, the money spent imprisoning marijuana offenders is tax money wasted jailing people for victimless crimes. Fourth, taxed, regulated marijuana will decrease black market and gang activity because there is not as large of a market for harder drugs and legal marijuana will shrink it further. Fifth, George Washington grew hemp.

I'm sick and tired of arguing about this. I want action. I want politicians with the balls to bring this issue up. I want to grow marijuana in my garden.

HoboPelican wrote:
Actually, I DO know at least 3 different friends who got into accidents while driving with weed involved (2 caused the wrecks directly, one might have been avoidable if she was straight). Sorry, it happens. Just like alcohol, pot does have an effect on judgment/reflex and even if it is legalized, I think anyone caught driving while stoned should be penalized as if they had been drinking.


A common thing with the pro-marijuana crowd is over-compensating for the demonization the plant has received from the governments of the world. Marijuana, certainly, effects judgement and reaction time, but the effect is nowhere near the level of alcohol, and neither should the penalty be. The room will never spin if you've smoked too much marijuana. Of course, my personal favorite solution to this problem would be to ban cars, but that's another topic...
BosLady
tom69 wrote:
Would it matter wether it would be illegal or lega, peole do drugs anyway...

If they would make it legal, which would be ridicilous, then even more people would get aids etc...

Is it me or are you asking me a pretty dumb question?


Since when do people get aids from smoking marijuana???? And you think it is a dumb question??? ha ha ha

Hmm, I guess your post speaks for itself! Laughing

lol
sjjGFM
Even cigarettes must be banned!
Wynand
NO, it should absolutely not be legal. And this is the reason. Do you know how many road accidents, human errors, and human deaths ex? Are caused by people that were not by there full conscious. We can make the world a better place if alcohol is also banned.
Vrythramax
Dead subject........second hand smoke kills people.

Learn then post..

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wumingsden
Re-opened by Wumingsden - http://www.frihost.com/forums/vt-65744.html
Scott
I would love to see marijuana legalized. Most of the time it's less harmless than cigarettes. Depending on the method you use, you can do pot with virtually no bad side effects (to yourself or anyone else). I know lots of intelligent and respectable people who smoke marijuana, it doesn't ruin your life.
HDirtwater
Quote:
I know lots of intelligent and respectable people who smoke marijuana, it doesn't ruin your life.


This could be the most ignorant thing I've read all day (week).
Vrythramax
Well I ca say for sure the only violence I incured was a fight over that last pack of snackcakes.

Munchies rule the universe!
HoboPelican
HDirtwater wrote:

This could be the most ignorant thing I've read all day (week).

What a coincidence. Yours was the most ignorant thing I read all week!

If you have a point, make it. What did he say that is so ignorant? Are you saying that no intelligent and respected people use it? Rebutting a statement the way you did makes it look like you have no facts to back up your position and have to fall back on insult. Is that the case?
Qube
Oh my, you got me there Hobo.
I could use the defense that I bolded "my" for a reason.
But that'd just be dirty.

I'd like to point out "Thank You For Smoking" though.
Something along the lines of you don't have to prove yourself right, you just have to prove the other guy isn't.
Ya, that's how I roll, hah.

I really don't have anything against ppl that are against marijuana.
Honestly, I don't.
I just harbor an extreme hatred of ignorance.
Most of my rant was out of anger from the previous posts.
But it still is my opinion that the positives far outweigh the negatives.
Especially when considering tobacco is legal.
I've never seen anyone get addicted to marijuana.
Though I guess them getting aggravated/irritant is borderline addiction...
But that's 1 out of the 100+ smokers I've met.
Yes, I can literally count at least 100.
I even know a whole family that smokes together.
The youngest being 16. (I think)
Aww, family tenderness. <9
Vrythramax
sjjGFM wrote:
Even cigarettes must be banned!


Spoken like a true safety-nazi. I smoke in my home or in my car....how does the "second-hand" smoke effect you???
Yantaal
i really dont get what the big deal is

it smells lovley unlike tobacco, its not as cancerou si dontthink, the onlty sideffects i know of are becomging rediculousy laid back, maybe addicted, but people mainlt smoke it to relax, if people calmed down about it being a drug, its natural and nice
Illionaire
While I understand that smoking of any kind is horrible for you, I think that marijuana can be enjoyed responsibly. There will always be people who abuse it, much like alcohol and other drugs, but I don't think it is right to give somebody a criminal record for possesion of marijuana.

I'm not trying to sound like a hippy, but why should it be illegal for somebody to smoke a natural plant. Marijuana has been proven to have many medical and therapeutic benefits. Making it legal but controlled, would eliminate many of it's dangers.
Vrythramax
Since the topic has been re-opened (thank you wums Wink ), I'd like to state what I have stated in other topics about this same issue.

I don't believe the "government" is going to legalize another form of smoke after spending so much money establishing that second hand smoke kills people.

Also true is that it would be an another act of hypocricy by the US government to allow it.

Hey...I smoke cigarettes and weed....I just take care for those that may be around me.
Ragerin
I smoked pot few times, but it isn't that good. I don't think it should be legalized for people under 21, because it makes you extremely dizzy and slow, and that would make teens work less concentrated when in school.
Though, drinking alcohol is more dangerous than smoking weed. Alcohol kills the braincells and weed is only adding CO2 into the brainchamber. The minus is, that the CO2 lasts in there for up to 2 months, with effect.

I'm not 100% sure about all this, but it's what I think I can remember from the biology classes. Laughing
Captain Fertile
I have never tried marijuana but have tried cannabis on a number of occasions during my journey to adulthood so will answer the question with that experience in mind and the word marijuana and cannabis are interchangeable in this post.

If tobacco and alcohol are classed as socially acceptable by the law then marijuana is just as safe, even safer if used responsibly. In fact marijuana should be sold with the same constraints alcohol has now.

It should be used in the same context as alcohol too. Basically it should only be consumed in certain circumstances and avoided in others such as when driving, at work or where complete control is required at all times.

It doesn’t turn you into a raving freak, if used correctly (just like alcohol), but you are not totally centred either, life is ever so slightly skewed away from centre so your mind and body cannot totally be trusted to perform important tasks.

As for it leading to other drugs I don’t think this is any more true than with alcohol and tobacco – however, the types of people you need to be in contact with to supply and possibly consume illegal marijuana can lead you to be exposed to harder drugs so then chances increase you will try them. Legalise marijuana then people need not be exposed to elements advocating and supplying harder drugs.

Of course there is always the chance marijuana will become a problem in itself just like tobacco and alcohol. Where certain people, well a lot of people, have difficulty differentiating when and where it is acceptable to be consumed and which levels of consumption are reasonable and which are excessive.

If taken responsibly it offers health risks related to those of smoking rather than those of cocaine or heroin addiction. I think any information supplied that states otherwise is designed to discourage people to try it in the first place – aka propaganda, or downright lies.

If it were legal would I use it? Well I smoke tobacco now but barely drink so yes I probably would in certain social circumstances. If I did not smoke tobacco I am not so sure, just as I would not accept a cigarette from someone if I had quit – nothing to do with it being something overtly malevolent.

Would I like my kids to try it? NO! But just as I would not wish them to try cigarettes or motorcycle riding or hand gliding, I would worry about them. I wouldn’t be a hypocrite and punish them if it were legal and they used it, I would just hate it as a concerned father. But if it were illegal I would come down on them hard just as my father would have with me, the difference being the words legal and illegal.
DynamicNames
I don't know the facts on marijuana, I don't do drugs. But if it's not as harmful as a drug that people think it is, then of course. It's just that many things that out parents taught these days wouldn't look to good to others, like if some drugs were legal and you were taking it down the street, our parents have taught us that they are bad crackers and such, but that's not really true.
BlazeDragon132
As people have said, weed does cause alot less problems than any other drug. It is even less dangerous than smoking. Smoking can cause heart attacks and drinking can cause wrecks. There is no risks in legalizing it.

For one, you can't overdose on weed. This makes it alot safer than alot of other drugs. Also, when you legalize something, there is less use of it. One part of using drugs is the thrill of doing something illegal just like underage drinking and smoking. Weed also causes you to be lazy, which makes it be able to prevent alot of deaths rather than increasing it.
jabapyth
making drugs legal would solve problems??? Confused
psst: theres a reason they're illegal Wink
Captain Fertile
jabapyth wrote:
making drugs legal would solve problems??? Confused
psst: theres a reason they're illegal Wink


And what is that reason?

I am sure that whatever reason you can come up with can be said about tobacco or alcohol and yet they are prefectly legal.
Da Rossa
Oh my God this topic is lasting a long...
I'm gonna tell my opinion again: Marijuana should NOT become legal. It's to hassle for the ones nearby the smoker. (My neighbour isn't that close to me but I still get dizzy when she's with the pot). It's nonsense to argue that in the Netherlands it is legal under certain circumstantes, that's their problem. Also, I appreciate the NL freedoms, except for abortion, but they are going so far trying to broadcast their identity. When a hospital bought a shipment of pot pills to be used in some kind of treatment, the entire world media shouted it, what's the big deal? To the hell with the marijuana.
FaLLeN
To be honest im kind of half half with the subject. Id lean towards yes though, i mean it isnt all that bad as far as what it makes you do.
Infact i like sitting around after a few and letting my mind just think. Some of the stuff you imagine is crazy and fun, like imagining the music of a pokemon battle Very Happy

But back to serious, think of it this way, you have go a bar lots of people are drinking and fights break out bad things are said etc.
But imo, if they had a 'weed bar' it would just be a nice relaxed scene, no hassle or anything and i guess if it was leagalised to local burger place or maccas or whatever would be thriving with people with the munchies.

So yeah, there is lots for and against, but id say yes BUT! in moderation.
Vrythramax
Captain Fertile wrote:
I have never tried marijuana but have tried cannabis on a number of occasions during my journey to adulthood so will answer the question with that experience in mind and the word marijuana and cannabis are interchangeable in this post.

If tobacco and alcohol are classed as socially acceptable by the law then marijuana is just as safe, even safer if used responsibly. In fact marijuana should be sold with the same constraints alcohol has now.

It should be used in the same context as alcohol too. Basically it should only be consumed in certain circumstances and avoided in others such as when driving, at work or where complete control is required at all times.

It doesn’t turn you into a raving freak, if used correctly (just like alcohol), but you are not totally centred either, life is ever so slightly skewed away from centre so your mind and body cannot totally be trusted to perform important tasks.

As for it leading to other drugs I don’t think this is any more true than with alcohol and tobacco – however, the types of people you need to be in contact with to supply and possibly consume illegal marijuana can lead you to be exposed to harder drugs so then chances increase you will try them. Legalise marijuana then people need not be exposed to elements advocating and supplying harder drugs.

Of course there is always the chance marijuana will become a problem in itself just like tobacco and alcohol. Where certain people, well a lot of people, have difficulty differentiating when and where it is acceptable to be consumed and which levels of consumption are reasonable and which are excessive.

If taken responsibly it offers health risks related to those of smoking rather than those of cocaine or heroin addiction. I think any information supplied that states otherwise is designed to discourage people to try it in the first place – aka propaganda, or downright lies.

If it were legal would I use it? Well I smoke tobacco now but barely drink so yes I probably would in certain social circumstances. If I did not smoke tobacco I am not so sure, just as I would not accept a cigarette from someone if I had quit – nothing to do with it being something overtly malevolent.

Would I like my kids to try it? NO! But just as I would not wish them to try cigarettes or motorcycle riding or hand gliding, I would worry about them. I wouldn’t be a hypocrite and punish them if it were legal and they used it, I would just hate it as a concerned father. But if it were illegal I would come down on them hard just as my father would have with me, the difference being the words legal and illegal.


Now here's an excellent post! Applause

However it does beg the question of how you tried cannibis and not marijauna (cannibis sativa)? Could you clarify this for us? Or is this aa "don't ask, don't tell" situation?
Vrythramax
tis
Captain Fertile wrote:
I have never tried marijuana but have tried cannabis on a number of occasions during my journey to adulthood


Do we have to go into thaaaat for reaal? zzzzzzzzzzzmsssny ytu thingd ebbii99pmmmol

Edit: I was joking of course, but I would like to know how experience cannabis (cannabis sativa) and not marijauna (also cannibi 2sativa).
Captain Fertile
Thanks for that, I'm pleaed when my posts are appreciated.

I have tried cannabis (resin) rather than marijuana because it appeared the drug of choice at the time and was more widely available than marijuana (which we class here as the dried leaf rather than a resin).

Usually it belonged to someone elseat a party or in someone's home and so that is what a was offered (although I did buy it once myself to share with friends) . If I had been offered marijuana I would have accepted that to see how it compared and so I could give an iformed oppinion when the subject cropped up, like this thread for instance.

I have also been offered cocaine and ecstacy in the past but refused those because I personally believe they are too risky to even try. So I don't just accept anything that is on offer, I weigh up what I know about them first.

Marijuana and cannabis are both okay to legalise (while smoking and tobacco are deemed acceptable) under the right conditions, even though I have never been one for using it regularly (I've not even had a joint for over 5 years) but anything stronger I would be loathe to condone or even experiment with.
toughtrio
I agree with the fact that only people who are using Marijuana might consider the choice of allowing the free use of it. But I personally dont go for it, cuz as you make things more and more legal, people start thinking that there might have been a real cause for making a Soft Drug completely LEGAL.

I mean, the officials wont go to everyone and explain that it still intoxicates a person as it did before, and that there are no new discoveries made about smoking POT that it causes few less effects then we had thought about before.

Warm Regards,
Da Rossa
toughtrio wrote:
I agree with the fact that only people who are using Marijuana might consider the choice of allowing the free use of it. But I personally dont go for it, cuz as you make things more and more legal, people start thinking that there might have been a real cause for making a Soft Drug completely LEGAL.

I mean, the officials wont go to everyone and explain that it still intoxicates a person as it did before, and that there are no new discoveries made about smoking POT that it causes few less effects then we had thought about before.

Warm Regards,


Doesn't matter whether the user feels the effects or not, what matters is if the people nearby are bothered, specially if t's about your upper neighbour.
yhally
who ever say! even though marijuana can cure malaria,, still i go on "NO"
Da Rossa
yhally wrote:
who ever say! even though marijuana can cure malaria,, still i go on "NO"


That's another fair point: weak users claim, with lack of concern, "noooo man!! This is also good to prevent this this and that... that's why I smoke Very Happy" <-- with the idiot smile.
Vrythramax
Captain Fertile wrote:
Thanks for that, I'm pleaed when my posts are appreciated.

I have tried cannabis (resin) rather than marijuana because it appeared the drug of choice at the time and was more widely available than marijuana (which we class here as the dried leaf rather than a resin).

Usually it belonged to someone elseat a party or in someone's home and so that is what a was offered (although I did buy it once myself to share with friends) . If I had been offered marijuana I would have accepted that to see how it compared and so I could give an iformed oppinion when the subject cropped up, like this thread for instance.

I have also been offered cocaine and ecstacy in the past but refused those because I personally believe they are too risky to even try. So I don't just accept anything that is on offer, I weigh up what I know about them first.

Marijuana and cocaine are both okay to legalise (while smoking and tobacco are deemed acceptable) under the right conditions, even though I have never been one for using it regularly (I've not even had a joint for over 5 years) but anything stronger I would be loathe to condone or even experiment with.


I will admit that I do like your posting, and you have shown yourself to me as a friend....but I must disagree on the qouted post.

The active ingredient (sp?) in pot is THC, it doesn't matter how you imbibe it...it's what gives the high.

As for legalizing cocaine....do you have any idea how crazy that would be?? Look at all the crime statistics for cocaine abusers, making it legal would increase those numbers 10 fold easily.

Cigarettes are legal, but people still commit crimes over them....just like alcohol. Making any substance legal does not in any way reduce the crimes that may be committed to gain it.

Think about it.
Yjaxygames
Go to Holland, it's legal there.

It's hard to say if it should be legalized. It would end all the illegal trade of the weed, the prices will be lower, so less criminal activity, but other things like accidents would raise.
Captain Fertile
Vrythramax wrote:
I will admit that I do like your posting, and you have shown yourself to me as a friend....but I must disagree on the qouted post.

The active ingredient (sp?) in pot is THC, it doesn't matter how you imbibe it...it's what gives the high.

As for legalizing cocaine....do you have any idea how crazy that would be?? Look at all the crime statistics for cocaine abusers, making it legal would increase those numbers 10 fold easily.

Cigarettes are legal, but people still commit crimes over them....just like alcohol. Making any substance legal does not in any way reduce the crimes that may be committed to gain it.

Think about it.


The cocaine reference was an error on my part, please be secure in the knowledge I DO NOT suggest legalising cocaine.

Sorry for the confusuion (and, I can imagnine open mouthed amazement) this incorrect statement may have caused.

It was a typing error on my part and I have gone back to the post and changed the word to cannabis as it was intended to be and not cocaine. Good grief, I will have the drug squad breaking my door down by midnight if I really made suggestions like that!

I also agree that legalising cannabis or marijuana would not be a good idea per say. BUT...

...The thrust of my argument is that I believe it to be no more harmful than alcohol and tobacoo, especially when abused. I never claim that it is ever a wise thing to do, just no more stupid than smoking cigarettes or drinking an excess of alcohol.

Yet society, or our governments, see fit to allow supply of these presently legal products without fear of term in prison or at least a rather brutal cavity search. Shocked

Lets face it, if the first ships loaded with tobacco set sail for home today instead of hundreds of years ago they would be turned back long before docking and made to destroy their highly toxic cargo.

So while Alcohol and Tobacco are legally available I see no problem with cannabis and marajuana.

They are all bad for you, they cause intoxication, they can all lead to excess and (as you rightly pointed out) they can lead to crime.

I also stand by my statement that making these low level (in my oppinion) drugs legal does reduce the amount of crime. The great reduction of a black or illegal market for one, as long as the government don't get greedy and hike taxes up to the moon. Not to mention the reasons I mentioned in my original post (the one about not having to lay with dogs any longer and possibly catching fleas).

P.S. Please feel free to disagree at any time with me (I am wrong far too much for my own liking Wink ), that is why we are all here - for a discussion and to learn new thinking when it is better than our own.

I never mind a disagreement when it is worded so politely and my side is actually listened to in the first place, digested and then thoughtfully poo-pooed. Hmmm,maybe a bad choice of words there - rather too vivid Very Happy Laughing
Marston
HDirtwater wrote:
Quote:
I know lots of intelligent and respectable people who smoke marijuana, it doesn't ruin your life.


This could be the most ignorant thing I've read all day (week).
The same could be said about your post.
Yantaal wrote:
i really dont get what the big deal is

it smells lovley unlike tobacco, its not as cancerou si dontthink, the onlty sideffects i know of are becomging rediculousy laid back, maybe addicted, but people mainlt smoke it to relax, if people calmed down about it being a drug, its natural and nice
Marijuana is not a physically addictive drug, however, it can be mentally addictive (not unlike any other substance on earth- all you need to do is fall into the habit of consuming one thing at a certian time, and you can become "addicted").
jabapyth wrote:
making drugs legal would solve problems??? Confused
psst: theres a reason they're illegal Wink
Precisely, fewer crimes related to black market transportation of Marijuana would occur, which is mostly where Pot crimes are commited (robbery etc.). On your second point, there really is no valid reason in my eyes why Marijuana should be illegal.
Da Rossa wrote:
Doesn't matter whether the user feels the effects or not, what matters is if the people nearby are bothered, specially if t's about your upper neighbour.
So, just because you've got one incosiderate user near you, you choose to stereotype the whole group of people negatively? Your logic is so terribly flawed- just because something bothers you, it should be illegal? Say african-american people bothered me; should they not be allowed into the country? Should we be shipping african-american babies away? Hell no.

To sum up, it's pretty sickening that the governments have taken such control of the daily lives of citizens that they can tell us what we can and cannot do with our bodies. Who is the government to tell me that I can't consume a plant that grows out of the ground?
Da Rossa
Yjaxygames wrote:
Go to Holland, it's legal there.

It's hard to say if it should be legalized. It would end all the illegal trade of the weed, the prices will be lower, so less criminal activity, but other things like accidents would raise.


I'm either:
- Favourable of the legalization of ALL DRUGS, NO EXCEPTION, to be sold at pharmacies' shelves, this would disrupt the traffic.
OR
- Prohibit ALL DRUGS, including cigarrete. Alcohol would be difficult, but the only reason that cigarretes and cigars are allowed is because of the industry and taxes associated.
Marston
Again, flawed logic- clearly, you can't legalise all drugs (however, most controlled substances are legally available in the form of perscription pharmacuticals), some drugs actually do cause serious harm, eg. methamphetamines.

Of course you can't just criminalize cigarettes and alcohol, there would be massive protests.

The point is that Pot is hardly a problem drug: use of cannabis is basically de-facto in many countries (if your neighbour sees you smoking pot, it's highly unlikely that they're going to call the police- and if they did, a 9-1-1 operator would probably think they're prank calling). Marijuana does no harm to anybody- if you're stupid enough to drive while high, it's your own stupidity that harmed you in the first place. Anyone who is smart about consumption of controlled substances knows that the first thing to make sure of is that you're not putting yourself in a dangerous situation, or you try and find a location where there's the least chance that you'll be put in a dangerous situation.
Vrythramax
Yjaxygames wrote:
Go to Holland, it's legal there.

It's hard to say if it should be legalized. It would end all the illegal trade of the weed, the prices will be lower, so less criminal activity, but other things like accidents would raise.


Just by legalization would not really drop the price....it may even increase. Look at what it costs to make and package a pack of cigarettes....it's like .30 cents, but we have to pay almost $5.00 for that same pack.

Taxation will kill it before it kills anyone.
Vrythramax
Captain Fertile wrote:
Vrythramax wrote:
I will admit that I do like your posting, and you have shown yourself to me as a friend....but I must disagree on the qouted post.

The active ingredient (sp?) in pot is THC, it doesn't matter how you imbibe it...it's what gives the high.

As for legalizing cocaine....do you have any idea how crazy that would be?? Look at all the crime statistics for cocaine abusers, making it legal would increase those numbers 10 fold easily.

Cigarettes are legal, but people still commit crimes over them....just like alcohol. Making any substance legal does not in any way reduce the crimes that may be committed to gain it.

Think about it.


The cocaine reference was an error on my part, please be secure in the knowledge I DO NOT suggest legalising cocaine.

Sorry for the confusuion (and, I can imagnine open mouthed amazement) this incorrect statement may have caused.

It was a typing error on my part and I have gone back to the post and changed the word to cannabis as it was intended to be and not cocaine. Good grief, I will have the drug squad breaking my door down by midnight if I really made suggestions like that!

I also agree that legalising cannabis or marijuana would not be a good idea per say. BUT...

...The thrust of my argument is that I believe it to be no more harmful than alcohol and tobacoo, especially when abused. I never claim that it is ever a wise thing to do, just no more stupid than smoking cigarettes or drinking an excess of alcohol.

Yet society, or our governments, see fit to allow supply of these presently legal products without fear of term in prison or at least a rather brutal cavity search. Shocked

Lets face it, if the first ships loaded with tobacco set sail for home today instead of hundreds of years ago they would be turned back long before docking and made to destroy their highly toxic cargo.

So while Alcohol and Tobacco are legally available I see no problem with cannabis and marajuana.

They are all bad for you, they cause intoxication, they can all lead to excess and (as you rightly pointed out) they can lead to crime.

I also stand by my statement that making these low level (in my oppinion) drugs legal does reduce the amount of crime. The great reduction of a black or illegal market for one, as long as the government don't get greedy and hike taxes up to the moon. Not to mention the reasons I mentioned in my original post (the one about not having to lay with dogs any longer and possibly catching fleas).

P.S. Please feel free to disagree at any time with me (I am wrong far too much for my own liking Wink ), that is why we are all here - for a discussion and to learn new thinking when it is better than our own.

I never mind a disagreement when it is worded so politely and my side is actually listened to in the first place, digested and then thoughtfully poo-pooed. Hmmm,maybe a bad choice of words there - rather too vivid Very Happy Laughing


Your just too cool to rule! Smile PM me sometime, I'd like to get to know you better. For any pervs out there...that was no "come on".

I bow to your better graces captain.

Max.
Marston
Cannabis = Marijuana
Cannabis Resin = Hashish (am I not correct?)
Captain Fertile
Marston wrote:
Cannabis = Marijuana
Cannabis Resin = Hashish (am I not correct?)


That sounds about right to me.

EDIT* Sorry that was a stupid vague answer - yess cannabis resin is hashish but I need to check out if cannibis is marijuana. (now I'm intriqued)
Vrythramax
Marston wrote:
Cannabis = Marijuana
Cannabis Resin = Hashish (am I not correct?)


hashish is hand rubbed from the cannibus plant to collect the resin.....it's all the same thing don't you see? You need the pot plant first, then you can manipulate it.
Soulfire
I'm a bit undecided.

I honestly believe that legalizing marijuana would create more problems than solve. I mean, we've legalized Tabacco and Alcohol, but we can't control them at all.

Legalizing it would make it easier to obtain, which would make it even more out of control, and drugs in general aren't good for you.
Captain Fertile
Soulfire wrote:
I'm a bit undecided.

I honestly believe that legalizing marijuana would create more problems than solve. I mean, we've legalized Tabacco and Alcohol, but we can't control them at all.

Legalizing it would make it easier to obtain, which would make it even more out of control, and drugs in general aren't good for you.


I agree which begs the question, rather than making another negative element legal why don't the government make illegal cigarettes and alcohol?

I know this is over-simplifying things but our government is talking about banning those training shoes with built in wheels (like roller skates). They are quick to do this due to 'public safety'.

If there was a HUGE tax attached to this shoes, and if they were more established would they be quite as keen to ban them? I wonder.

But while they ban shoes that 'may' cause injury they allow cigarettes that DO kill thousands upon thousand every year (not sure of actual world wide figures).
HoboPelican
Da Rossa wrote:

Doesn't matter whether the user feels the effects or not, what matters is if the people nearby are bothered, specially if t's about your upper neighbour.


That is an different argument than most. Keep it illegal because it annoys someone? Would you apply that to owning a dog? It really annoys me when they bark and defecate on my lawn. Oh, and ladies using the elevator after using way too much perfume. How about those jerks who use the office microwave to cook fish? Man, that stinks for hours!

I know I'm being a bit silly there, but the point is that making things illegal because they are mild annoyances IS silly. In an urban environment, everyone does something that annoys someone else. I think we all are getting pretty intolerant and I don't think it is a good thing.
Kitten Kong
USA is stuck with illegal marijuana for as long as the electorates are controlled by christian fundamentalists who vote with their bible. The kind of people who only see things from the point of view of good and evil. Ironically of course and as many of you have probably already mentioned, these same people are most likely not averse to having a drink every now and then, even though there are far more negative effects and illnesses linked to the consumption of alcohol, whereas I challenge anyone to come up with a SINGLE case of someone dying of a THC overdose.
HoboPelican
Kitten Kong wrote:
.... whereas I challenge anyone to come up with a SINGLE case of someone dying of a THC overdose.


Let me save y'all some trouble.
From Wikipedia :
Quote:

There has never been a documented fatality from marijuana or THC overdose
Captain Fertile
HoboPelican wrote:


Let me save y'all some trouble.
From Wikipedia :
Quote:

There has never been a documented fatality from marijuana or THC overdose


This kind of backs up my argument a little, the only dangers from smoking this stuff is the ingesting into your body (similar to tobacco), not overdosing or jumping through windows because you thought you were superman. Exclamation
Montressor
Kitten Kong wrote:
USA is stuck with illegal marijuana for as long as the electorates are controlled by christian fundamentalists who vote with their bible.
Being a "Christian Fundamentalist" myself, I beg to differ. I think your statement would be better in this form, "The US is controlled by politicians that manipulate religious beliefs to gain support for their unpopular programs that are personal religious choices". The protestant faiths born out of the reformation were partially based on the precepts of Classical Liberalism. More clearly stated Protestants, like political classical liberals, believe in Individual Choice. National or State regulation of any issue, whether religious or irreligious in nature, based solely off of the religious beliefs of anyone, is nonsensical from the precepts that the US was founded, as well as the concepts of Protestantism. The "fundamentalist" leaders, are in fact ignoring one of the main (fundamental) points of their (supposed) faith, the belief in a personal(individual) relationship with God that cannot be forced or created by anyone other than God and that individual.
Kitten Kong wrote:
The kind of people who only see things from the point of view of good and evil.
Again as a "Christian Fundamentalist", I feel obliged to comment. There are many things that are not defined as good/evil (black/white, whatever) directly in the Bible. That is where I rely on the my personal convictions, and base my decision off of what I know about my faith. If I feel that something is bad or evil, than committing/doing that thing is sin for me, whatever someone else chooses is between that individual and God.

Kitten Kong wrote:
Ironically of course and as many of you have probably already mentioned, these same people are most likely not averse to having a drink every now and then, even though there are far more negative effects and illnesses linked to the consumption of alcohol, whereas I challenge anyone to come up with a SINGLE case of someone dying of a THC overdose.

I agree that many self-labeled "Christian Fundamentalists" are indeed harming American and the world as well as the Christian faith and are rather hypocritical in their practices, which is why, as a Christian Fundamentalist, I (in principle) do not oppose the legalization of Marijuana. I would personally never use it, but I cannot see how restricting another person based solely on my faith and my personal relationship with God, makes them a better person. I personally do not chose to champion the legalization of any drug, but I would not actively oppose other's efforts to legalize their drug of choice as long as legalization of that drug does not cause harm to others (to a personally defined extensive degree), or is a drug that has the only purpose to harm the user.
Captain Fertile
@Montressor

Well, said. I agree with what you said.

The jibes, untruths and generalisations about Chrsitians rather got under my skin too.

You are not alone! Applause
Montressor
Captain Fertile wrote:

I know this is over-simplifying things but our government is talking about banning those training shoes with built in wheels (like roller skates). They are quick to do this due to 'public safety'.

If there was a HUGE tax attached to this shoes, and if they were more established would they be quite as keen to ban them? I wonder.

But while they ban shoes that 'may' cause injury they allow cigarettes that DO kill thousands upon thousand every year (not sure of actual world wide figures).

Hmm, I would like to expand (and add my own over-simplifications) to your own admitted over-simplification. I see four main reasons why your gov't can easily ban shoes based on public safety, while leaving a more dangerous activity alone
  • The shoes are a relatively new product that has a relatively small and new consumer base. That is to say, if the gov't did decide to ban them, the average consumer/citizen would not have to alter his or her lifestyle too much, if at all.
  • The tax attached to these shoes is very minor when compared to the revenue that can be (and is) obtained though apply a "sin tax" to tobacco products
  • The "training shoes with built in wheels"-industry most likely has less revenue and thereby cannot support lobbying efforts to the extent that well established tobacco companies can
  • The shoes in question are directly marketed and openly created for children/youth (which could be said about tobacco products except for the openly part), in which case parents like yourself would be, at least, slightly less adverse to legislation limiting a "dangerous" product that you yourself would never use, but your child might.


People who oppose the legalization of marijuana don't necessarily (though many do) oppose it because they think you definitively shouldn't smoke/inhale/ingest/consume the drug because it is inherently bad or evil, they may chose to oppose it because of the difficulty in regulating an established industry (drug based or otherwise). Cigarettes are harmful to the consumer, but those who wish to ban cigarettes have no hope in doing so, and regulations of the industry can be difficult (other than half-hearted regulations on advertisements and requirements to disclose information). Sure you can up the tax, raise the minimum age or add enforcement measures, but you can't regulate much more than that. These people may feel that, should marijuana be legalized,develop into an influential industry, and be proven to have significant adverse effects on the community and individuals, the re-criminalization of marijuana (if needed) could prove very difficult if not impossible.
That is not to say I agree completely with that logic, but I respect it, even though it could be extended to any change in regulation of any law (I believe the political science term is "Conservatism" Wink )
Zink
ciaran27 wrote:
First and foremost, if you accualy go and do the research on how the first drug laws in the US came into existance, it is a joke. They were created by extremly narrow minded bigoted people in our government for alterior motives. Geez that sounds familiar.

As to weather Pot shoud be legalized. I say anyone who has ever consumed an alcoholic drink, you have consumed a substance that has caused, and will continue to cause iresponcible people to mame and kill innocent people. To all those who smoke Cigarettes, you have made a choice to smoke a PLANT that produces MIND ALTERING AFFECTS in persuit of your lives happiness. That takes care of at least 3/4 of the people in the world from any country, income, or sex. To this day Cigarettes and Alcohol have harmed far more people than marijuana by far, yet they are legal, available, and heavily taxed world wide.

I have never seen a pothead come home from a pot bar after work and beat his wife in front of his children. I have never seen a pothead spend money he needs to eat on pot. I have never seen a pothead cause a 10 car pile up on a major road causing 3 deaths.

The bottom line of it is that the american people have been lied to since the first drug laws were put on the books. At the same time they were allowed to freely use other mind altering substances only becayse the government can tax them. It is an official legal policy called hypocrocy that the US government has kept around as standaed policy since day one.


wow, but that is pretty agreeable.
budiman
I think legalized marijuana will reduce the crime rate considerable, which will make policeman happy. Another thing is that people will think it is safe using marijuana, which in fact will make them addicted. Alcohol and tobacco are similarly addicted for certain people.

Marijuana should not be legalized.
Marston
Vrythramax wrote:
Marston wrote:
Cannabis = Marijuana
Cannabis Resin = Hashish (am I not correct?)


hashish is hand rubbed from the cannibus plant to collect the resin.....it's all the same thing don't you see? You need the pot plant first, then you can manipulate it.
Yeah, I know, I know. I've just never heard anyone refer to hash as resin, and that cannabis = marijuana thing was to clear up something that capt. fertile said about having smoked cannabis, but not marijuana (when they are, in fact, the same thing).
HoboPelican
Marston wrote:
Vrythramax wrote:
Marston wrote:
Cannabis = Marijuana
Cannabis Resin = Hashish (am I not correct?)


hashish is hand rubbed from the cannibus plant to collect the resin.....it's all the same thing don't you see? You need the pot plant first, then you can manipulate it.
Yeah, I know, I know. I've just never heard anyone refer to hash as resin, and that cannabis = marijuana thing was to clear up something that capt. fertile said about having smoked cannabis, but not marijuana (when they are, in fact, the same thing).


And I thought he was referring to hash oil when he spoke of resin. Different times, different countries. Wink
Captain Fertile
The resin I mentioned was a very hard dark brown cube which had to be burned a little at a time and crumbled and mixed with the tobacco to make the joint (maybe that will make it clearer what I am fefering to, as you say it mgith be called something else where you are). So I heard Wink

As I say this was quite a few years ago, maybe the term for it has changed here too?
mind
Yes Cannabis should be legal. It makes me laugh how smoking is legal when it kills lots of people, here in the UK we get 1,600 people die every week from smoking related deaths.

Alcohol is one of the main causes why hospitals are full of idiots that have been binge drinking and got in to fights on the weekend, doctors have far more important things to be doing than attending to some kid who drunk to many Stella's and got their nose broken because he thought he as tough.

How many recorded deaths through Cannabis has there been? Well here in the UK there have been about 2 or 3 and this was only because the taker had choked on their own vomit, the death was not directly caused by any type of Cannabis poisoning. It is quite likely that if Cannabis is not made legal then we are gonna see more and more nasties cut with our weed or hash. In fact at the moment there is weed going about that contains glass, not good, and if the Gov't made this stuff legal we probably wouldn't be seeing this crap on our streets.
Bannik
Marijuana will never be legal, the government makes more money from it being illegal then it does it being legal.

But yes marijuana should be partially legalized with a few consequences, i.e you have to register to the medical service to buy and legally hold marijuana, it should be only smoked in a safe environment (your home), there would be teaching guides to help make it safer etc.
its like this, marijuana is less harmful then tobacco and alcohol,
it doesn’t cause so many deaths, its part of everyones culture,
no matter which culture you go too you will see marijuana there, it’s a part of our lives,
generally it has more beneficial effects, calm feeling, relaxed muscle, pain killer.
If legalised government may make a profit and put criminals out of business, could stop so many police cases as people who use it will not be criminals etc.

Heck research lately has been insane, some scientist found that marijuana actually increases brain cells

http://bodo.gnn.tv/blogs/17618/Study_Shows_Marijuana_May_Increase_Brain_Cell_Growth

but like I was saying before, the government makes more money by drugs being illegal, everytime a druggy needs a fix more then likely if its bad enough he will steal, it takes 1 dealer to have 10 out of those 10 4 of those will steal to get another fix, they steal items that are worth far more then the drug they get, the people they stole from will need to buy those products again…..that makes more profit
Montressor
Bannik wrote:
Heck research lately has been insane, some scientist found that marijuana actually increases brain cells
Is that similar to an infection increasing the amount of white blood cells? A fracture "creating" increased bone growth? Wink
Bannik
Montressor wrote:
Bannik wrote:
Heck research lately has been insane, some scientist found that marijuana actually increases brain cells
Is that similar to an infection increasing the amount of white blood cells? A fracture "creating" increased bone growth? Wink


that doesnt matter does it..... what matters is wether or not it is a positive effect.
Think about it Boxers damage their bones on their hands to harden them, it is a benefit for them and not something bad, and the increase in white blood cells, well it wouldnt be that bad if your blood cell count is low.
this applies to all forms of medicine, now marijuana in this case could be the creation of creativity cells....or something like that.....so it could be a good thing.
creakinator
We say drugs are bad, evil things, but we are allowing our population to buy a 'drug' that we know kills people and causes cancer, but all we do is put a warning on it says that tobacco is dangerous to you health.

Also alcohol which when a person drinks too much and who can cause death, accidents, and property damage when they are impaired by alcohol, is completely legal as long as you are of the right age.

We, as a group of people, are so hypocritical. We say "Illegal Drugs are evil and bad, but here you go - smoke tobacco and drink ethanol." we know the problems that alcohol and tobacco cause. We see it each day when we hear of a friend who died of lung cancer or a person hurt by a drunk driver. But what do we do - slap the drunk driver on the hand, take away their license and send them out until they kill someone. The average blood alcohol level in the county (in California) I live in is 0.17% - that's almost two times the legal limit of 0.08%. We act like smoking is a choice - like what choice do you have once you're addicted by the nicotine and other chemicals in the tobaco

Here's an article that talks about alcohol and tobacco being more dangerous that ectasy http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2026205,00.html
"The government is to be urged to consider a controversial plan to reclassify drugs according to the harm they do. The new ranking system would see alcohol placed high on the scale because of its links to violence and car accidents. Tobacco, estimated to cause 40 per cent of all hospital illnesses, would also come before the class-A drug ecstasy."

I think this is the original report:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmselect/cmsctech/1031/103102.htm

Christy
spider
Ok, this is right up my alley....
as a former pot smoker, happily clean, and that cant spell worth a darn.
I was 16 when I started smoking pot, and I started because my friends were doing it,, so i did too... I really didnt see anything wrong with smoking pot because it really didnt do much for me,, kinda like a bad smelling cigarette... other people could have other feelings about it because as a drug it will react differently with different people... I had one that was laced with coke once, and it wasnt a pretty picture,,, I was paranoid as heck, and I was watching my neices at the time... I could have killed myself for doing that... my wife and I had our first child, and children services came and gave us a quick piss test... unfortunately, my wife had a joint the night before,,, luckily for us she couldnt piss because she had already gone before they showed up... after that, it was more of a legal scare as for, its not worth losing your children over for anything illegal... anyhow,, ,should pot be leagalized, no,,, in my opinion,,, but thats just me,,, too many people lace it, or they react to it differently in many cases... legal as a medicine for doctors to prescribe? yes,,, because many people have benifited from its medicinal properties. Its like cigarettes,,, back in the old days, alcohole was made illegal, and you have the same problem there,,, and look at it today... Id actually have to say, it really depends on the person using the pot,, because if they use it responsibly,, yea, it could be legalized,, but with this government today, that will never happen... its illegal to smoke a cigarette in public areas here in ohio now... I hate it,, but would like to go back and try to change it,,, just like they did alcohole, but it wont ever happen because the people need to stand together to make it happen. If the people dont stand together, and try to prove the pro's and the con's of any drug, or alcohole, they will be illegal until the day we die,,, and they will push it that long just so they cant make it legal... once the main people die that are trying to push to legalize drugs or anything, it can be pushed to the side once these people pass away,,, who are the main supporters of changing laws or whatever.. now dont get me wrong, I love my country, and love my government,,, I just feel they make alot of wrong decisions without consulting the people better... course,,, so, if I was you, you need to remember, pot is different than alcohole,,, it affects different people differnetly... on the other hand, it can be considered the same as alcohole, and pushed in the laws to try to get it legalized....
Good luck because this isnt an easy question. Many of these teenagers havent see what pot can do evidently... I once watched a friend of mine get hit by a car, and put in the hospital for 9 months to recover.... because a certain somebody was high on pot and wasnt paying attention to what he was doing, and pushed him directly in front of it... the drug affects the brain in the same manor as alcohole, but again still affecting people differently...
Take Care...
Zug Zug
Now I don't do drugs or anything but I think it should become legal so we can tax it-etc. Might as well get more money for education and stuff. Then again it could all just got to the politicians.....etc....oh well.
spider
That is a good point zug, because there is so much out there, and with all the drug busts,, and jail terms,, we spend taxes to put these people in jail or prison because of just possesion. Taxing it would actually be a more liable way because how many people would possibly quit because its not as exciting to get caught also.... Ive known people like this,,, one who is actually a lawyer in florida right now,,, he quit drugs, cut his hair, and got his GED to go to law school... now he has only 1 year left,,, he wasnt in it as much for the excitement,, but sometimes you wondered,,,lol... if it was legalized and taxed, who would want to really buy it then,,, and would they make the decision to quit sometime like we do with cigarettes now?
I guess the only way to actually find out is to legalize it, and see,, if nothing else they can make it illegal again...
urbanbuddha
It's legal where I come from (Canada). But just for personal use.
rheanna
Quote:

Once-Secret Nixon Tapes Show Why the U.S. Outlawed Pot
Kevin Zeese, Alternate
March 21, 2002
Thirty years ago the United States came to a critical juncture in the drug war. A Nixon-appointed presidential commission had recommended that marijuana use not be a criminal offense under state or federal law. But Nixon himself, based on his zealous personal preferences, overruled the commission's research and doomed marijuana to its current illegal status.
This newly revealed information comes from declassified tapes of Oval Office conversations from 1971 and 1972, which show Nixon's aggressive anti-drug stance putting him directly at odds against many of his close advisor's. Transcripts of the tape, and a report based on them, are available at www.csdp.org.
Congress, when it passed the Controlled Substances Act in 1970, temporarily labeled marijuana a Schedule I substance -- a flatly illegal drug with no approved medical purposes. But Congress acknowledged that it did not know enough about marijuana to permanently relegate it to Schedule I, and so they created a presidential commission to review the research and recommend a long-term strategy. President Nixon got to appoint the bulk of the commissioners. Not surprisingly, he loaded it with drug warriors. Nixon appointed Raymond Shafer, former Republican Governor of Pennsylvania, as Chairman. As a former prosecutor, Shafer had a law and order, drug warrior reputation. Nixon also appointed nine Commissioners, including the dean of a law school, the head of a mental health hospital, and a retired Chicago police captain. Along with the Nixon appointees, two senators and two congressmen from each party served on the Commission.
The Shafer Commission -- officially known as the National Commission on Marijuana and Drug Abuse -- took its job seriously. They launched fifty research projects, polled the public and members of the criminal justice community, and took thousands of pages of testimony. Their work is still the most comprehensive review of marijuana ever conducted by the federal government.
After reviewing all the evidence, these drug warriors were forced to come to a different conclusion than they had at first expected. Rather than harshly condemning marijuana, they started talking about legalization. When Nixon heard such talk, he quickly denounced the Commission -- months before it issued its report.
As a result of Nixon's public rebuke, Shafer met with the President. The Commission was upset, and the purpose of the meeting was to reassure them. But Nixon didn't budge. Instead, he warned Shafer to get control of his commission and avoid looking like a bunch of do-gooders who are soft on marijuana. He warned Shafer that the Commission would look bad as hell if it came out with recommendations different from the direction of Congress and the President.
During their meeting, Shafer reassured the President that he would not support legalization, even though there were some on the Commission who did. He told Nixon they were looking for a unanimous recommendation. Nixon warned Shafer that he had very strong feelings on marijuana. Nixon and Shafer also discussed Shafer's potential appointment to a federal judgeship.
But in the end, the Shafer Commission issued a report that tried to correct the extensive degree of misinformation,to demythologize and symbolize marijuana. They reported finding that marijuana did not cause crime or aggression, lead to harder drug use or create significant biochemical, mental or physical abnormalities. They concluded: Marijuana's relative potential for harm to the vast majority of individual users and its actual impact on society does not justify a social policy designed to seek out and firmly punish those who use it.
The most important recommendation of the Commission was the decriminalization of possession or non-profit transfer of marijuana. Decriminalization meant there would be no punishment -- criminal or civil -- under state or federal law.
Nixon reacted strongly to the report. In a recorded conversation on March 21, the day before the Commission released its report, Nixon said, We need, and I use the word 'all out war,' on all fronts ... we have to attack on all fronts. Nixon and his advisor's went on to plan a speech about why he opposed marijuana legalization, and proposed that he do a drug thing every week during the 1972 presidential election year. Nixon wanted a Goddamn strong statement about marijuana ... that just tears the ass out of them.
Shafer was never appointed to the federal court.
Nixon's private comments about marijuana showed he was the epitome of misinformation and prejudice. He believed marijuana led to hard drugs, despite the evidence to the contrary. He saw marijuana as tied to radical demonstrators. He believed that the Jews, especially Jewish psychiatrists were behind advocacy for legalization, asking adviser Bob Haldeman, What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob?He made a bizarre distinction between marijuana and alcohol, saying people use marijuana to get high while a person drinks to have fun.
He also saw marijuana as part of the culture war that was destroying the United States, and claimed that Communists were using it as a weapon. Homosexuality, dope, immorality in general, Nixon fumed. These are the enemies of strong societies. That's why the Communists and the left-wingers are pushing the stuff, they're trying to destroy us. His approach drug education was just as simplistic: Enforce the law. You've got to scare them.
Unfortunately, Nixon did more than just scare them, whoever they were. His marijuana war rhetoric led to a dramatic increase in arrests. One year after his all out war comments, marijuana arrests jumped to 420,700 a year -- a full 128,000 more than the year before. Since then, nearly 15 million people have been arrested for marijuana offenses.
For thirty years, the United States has taken the path of Nixon's prejudice and ignored the experts. We now have the largest prison population in world history, and drug problems are no closer to solved. Indeed, plenty of evidence indicates that drug-related problems are worse than ever.
It did not have to be this way. At the same time that the Shafer Commission issued its report, the Bain Commission in Holland issued a report that made similar findings and recommendations. In Holland, they followed the advice of their experts. Thirty years later Holland has half the per-capita marijuana use as the U.S., far fewer drug-related problems and spends much less on drug enforcement. With statistics like that, it's no wonder that most of Europe is going Dutch. Just last week a British Commission issued a Shafer-like report, indicating that the U.K. is moving in the Dutch direction.
It is not too late for the U.S. to move to a more sensible path. We are approaching three quarters of a million marijuana arrests annually. Every year that the U.S. fails to adopt a policy based on research, science and facts we destroy millions of lives and tear apart millions of families.
Where will we be in another thirty years if we don't change course and make peace in the marijuana war? Now that we know the war's roots are rotten -- and after we've lived through the decades of damage and failure it has produced -- we should face the facts. The thirty-year- old recommendations of the Shafer Commission are a good place to start.
Kevin Zeese is the president of Common Sense for Drug Policy (www.csdp.org).
http://www.geocities.com/ceriason2000/Once.html


Yuh, I'm just curious how the major discovery of 40 millions dollars in coke and marijuana was found busted on Huffman but never tried, convicted and thrown out of the courts. Suppose to be the largest bust in history. But, everyone else with caught with a joint is in jail. Confused
HoboPelican
rheanna wrote:
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Yuh, I'm just curious how the major discovery of 40 millions dollars in coke and marijuana was found busted on Huffman but never tried, convicted and thrown out of the courts. Suppose to be the largest bust in history. But, everyone else with caught with a joint is in jail. Confused


Thanks for the trip down memory lane, Rhe! My college years fell during Dick's reign of terror. I remember all of us laugheing our butts off when they said smoking dope caused feelings of paranoia. We weren't paranoid, the government really was out to get us!Smile
rheanna
I don't smoke but for all the pot heads that do hahaha Laughing
j_f_k
Very tricky one.

The jury's still out on whether cannabis is more or less bad for your health than cigarettes or alcohol.

Illegal drugs lead to a crime culture for the supply of the substances. Legalising marijuana would destroy an avenue of income for the drug barons, as well as ensuring the quality of the substance for users.

There is an argument that says the drug barons will go elsewhere, so it won't cut crime, however when you make a business less attractive less people will go into it - this is a pretty basic market law which applies to organised crime as much as to legitimate business.

However, on the other hand the teenyboppers and the clubbing set will eschew the substance in favor of harder, more dangerous drugs, the appeal being the illegality.

Perhaps the solution to this last one is to make jelly beans illegal...
tijn01
I often wonder what the big debate is about, in Holland its legal and its one of the safest places I've lived. I would walk in any of the cities (maybe not Rotterdam) by myself at night without a thought....
At the same time the fact that its not legal in Australia (where I am now) has stopped me from using the stuff at all and for that I am eternally greatful because the world is a much better, saner place without drugs! A lot of people in Australia do use it, they grow there own and use what they grow, I don't know any one who is really developing any underworld of crime from their habit but I guess it exists.
I think its more important to look at the reasons as to why people turn to drugs at all- even smoking cigarettes or drinking...... its more important to conquer those problems than to worry about legalities, in the end people who want to use, do! whether its legal or not.
kevin briggs
Individuals deserve the right to decide whether or not they should use marijuana. The government should not tell individuals what to do as long as they do not harm others

We would have more money to spend on important problems if marijuana were legal.
mseiyai
Guys
I was just wondering if everything in this world is legalised what would happen!
justnewbie
I don't think possession of any kind of drug should be legalized. In fact I really hoped that smoking should be made illegal.
HoboPelican
justnewbie wrote:
I don't think possession of any kind of drug should be legalized. In fact I really hoped that smoking should be made illegal.

Why? Because YOU don't like it? Why not take a stab at telling us your reasons for wanting all drugs to be illegal? Since you specifically stated ANY kind of drug, I assume this applies to antibiotics also, right? Or do you just mean any drug that a government has arbitrarily criminalized?
justnewbie
HoboPelican wrote:
justnewbie wrote:
I don't think possession of any kind of drug should be legalized. In fact I really hoped that smoking should be made illegal.

Why? Because YOU don't like it? Why not take a stab at telling us your reasons for wanting all drugs to be illegal? Since you specifically stated ANY kind of drug, I assume this applies to antibiotics also, right? Or do you just mean any drug that a government has arbitrarily criminalized?


Alright alright, I meant possession of psychotheraputic drugs. Dude, you knew what I meant and you're trying to attack me just because of my simple mistake. I don't understand why on earth that they went to smoke or abusing drugs since they know the long term effects on their health.

You never know how much resources have been wasted just to cleanse our community from drug abusing. And about smoking, try to count how much you spent on buying cigarettes- you could invest those money on something else like, insurance. Maybe you would think it's their own business whether to smoke or not, but did you know that one person that starts smoking could influence others to smoke too? And imagine your roommate smoking in your room everyday, you will understand how NICE is it to inhale second hand smoke.
HoboPelican
justnewbie wrote:

Alright alright, I meant possession of psychotheraputic drugs. Dude, you knew what I meant and you're trying to attack me just because of my simple mistake. I don't understand why on earth that they went to smoke or abusing drugs since they know the long term effects on their health.

Well, I still am not sure exactly which drugs you want illegal. Psychotheraputic drugs include a whole range of pretty useful drugs....the therapeutic part of the word implies that they are useful (therapy). Not trying to attack you, I just wants you to be clear about what you think should be illegal.
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You never know how much resources have been wasted just to cleanse our community from drug abusing. And about smoking, try to count how much you spent on buying cigarettes- you could invest those money on something else like, insurance. Maybe you would think it's their own business whether to smoke or not, but did you know that one person that starts smoking could influence others to smoke too? And imagine your roommate smoking in your room everyday, you will understand how NICE is it to inhale second hand smoke.


As to wasting resources, in the case of marijuana(the topic here), I agree it is wasted. If it was legal, all those resources wouldn't have been wasted. The point some of us are making is that dope is NOT the evil drug it is portrayed to be.
Bannik
In my opinion if Marijuana is to be legalised then there should be a far greater form of control...... (you loose something and you gain something, something like that) i.e people who wish to grow or buy Marijuana have to be registered as users that way the country can keep control of the users so they dont go around selling chemicle crap.
secondeye
The fact is marijuana is just a pretty benign drug. Sure, it can cause problems if you already have or are predisposed towards mental health issues, but then so can plenty of other legal things. It just comes down to personal responsibility really.

Until recently I smoked weed pretty much constantly. While this wasn't the best thing for me, it didn't screw me up anywhere near as much as drinking alcohol to that extent would have. And now I have been able to cut down with hardly any trouble and only smoke occasionally. Not something you'd expect to be able to do with any drug that is truly addictive. I have a lot of friends who have experienced the same thing.
Japokskee
Well.

It can be a yes and it can be a no

For yes
It is still herbal or natural. You can actually see it in some remote jungles or farms.

For no
I can still affect your lungs and also the way you behave.

Summary
At least puff once in a while Very Happy
markblu
If everyone in the world sat down and smoked a nicely leafed honey dutch master or a garcia vega game green blunt, or even just a joint or a bowl, at least at 4:20 every day, there would be world peace. Well, I can wish.

sOuP
ashish2005
Marijuana should be legal all over the world because it has got more advantages than disadvantages. It should be legal for everyone and not just for a specific group of people. Like in my country Nepal, marijuana is legal for all those religious BaBa jees (those harey ram harey krishna guys) and even for tourists (I think) but not for the citizens of the country. Back in the times of my grandfather it was all legal and till today he tells me stories about smoking joints, chillims etc everyday. I wish I could go back to that time to smoke some water pot legally without having any fear.
LeatherRose
counselr10 wrote:
I am a drug/alcohol counselor and many teens have told me if pot were legal there would be very few gang problems, kids in jail, and most of societies ills will be gone, except maybe for the few that get addicted. What do you think? I have arguements either way.


i think it should..
i don't care what any of you negitive pot-haters think. Pfft on you.
i have been smoking pot for almost 6 years now and i have a damn good job that pays very well at a pharmacy (thank god for quick fix), i live on my own..well with my fiance..who also works in a pharmacy...but he has a better job. i don't do any other drugs, i hardly drink, i don't even smoke cigs honestly.

pot doesn't destroy dreams, it is people who stop trying to achieve them.
and what is all of this about gang violance and hard drugs and mentaly illness?
i'm just a little white girl, never been in a gang or affiliated(horrible spelling job) with anybody or any gang related activities. violance? i have never even been in a fight. and mental illnesses? my father was diagnosed with schitzophrenia, i don't have it and i smoke weed.

it isn't weed that make people bad, people make bad choices and that is what makes them bad.
and i know somebody is going to reply to this saying weed is a bad choice blah blah blah
and that is all i'm hearing from all of the "I-Hate-Weed-People" blah blah blah blah blah

as for the gate way thing.. hell no i think hard drugs are stupid..thoughs are the addictive live altering ones that people should be hating.

the only reasons i could think of why i wouldn't want it leagalized is it would cost more..i couldn't get it as easily free from friends.
and i'm not sure if it would be as fun if it was legal. haha

i think people would be more relaxed and easy going if it was leagalized.
i think that is why weed was put on this earth..to relax people. every thing that grows from the ground has a purpous. trees provide oxygen and food..and you know so on and so fourth
i think weed is a natural medican(sp) that should be used....weather in medical conditions or in just pure confort.

it smells good too Smile
SusieSmacktard wrote:
If marijuana did become legal, I predict a massive Cheeto shortage.

cheetos sound good..i'm going to go eat some cheetos and creamcheese and go to bed
skygaia
I'm in South Korea. I think it's less serioous to take Marijuanas in my country than in other western countries. Because to take Marijuanas is not in legal. I know many countries do not allow to take marijuanas by the law but in my country, it's not allowed more strongly. Many people think marijuana is like Heroin. so it's treated like other strong drugs.
I have never taken a marijuana. So I don't know exactly what marijuana is. But I have just learned it is very bad one like drug. So I don't want that Marijuana will be legal.
anime
i think yea we already got enough problem and its ILEGAL and in my country if they saw you with drugs you might spend 5~10 years in JAIL hm so its so hard and still people go mad and btw still alcohol same ILEGAL So we dont see alot of drunk ppl in our Streets maybe 1 in a whole year and it will became Scandal :DDDD So i thankgod to this rules cause it saves many lives ^^ Idea
Reubz
I thin it should. I dont so it, but i know its natural. And natura is ok. lol. Well, whatever. I think it should be legal! LEGAL!
rheanna
Should be legal if you ask me....Everyone I know does it but I preferably don't.. stuff is nasty. Tried it once and thought I was going to die.
Coledash
Well we all know whats it like to have alcohol full legal: drunk people killing innocent everyday, and the worst part is that we have got used to it that we forgive horrible people easier if they have been drunk.

All kinds of drugs should be illegal, but they should have some type of "drug parks" where people could go, "enjoy" drugs, rest for few days so affect wears away (even thou severe brain damage never wears off) and then go home happily. Im not sure how well it could work, but this is my two cents : )
gerpg
how can ou say that making a drug legal will make it less harmful? If its legal people start doing harder drugs just because they want to do something wrong, I think everything should be banned that can alter you state of mind, Tobbaco, Alcohol... if these things are baned then the criminals will start smuggling those things cause there's more demand for it, it would become harder to get hard drugs and we'll end up with fewer problems.


Louis.
KronikSindrome
The only reason the government won't legalize it is because it's too hard to tax...
not everyone can brew their own beer but anyone can grow a pot plant.....

I think marijuana is less harmful than alcohol....

it even has medical advantages.....

and yes...it should be legal Very Happy
sonicj
counselr10 wrote:
I am a drug/alcohol counselor and many teens have told me if pot were legal there would be very few gang problems, kids in jail, and most of societies ills will be gone, except maybe for the few that get addicted. What do you think? I have arguements either way.


I am no expert, but I was a teen once, so I would say their point of view is a little tainted. If they were in trouble for drugs or alcohol, then I would expect them to want it to be legal. The excuse they have given you is a real stretch for me. Marijuana is a minuscule part of gangs, and "most of societies ill will be gone?" Don't think so.
Srs2388
If weed was legal i would honestly smoke it, but not to the point that it's going to be too bad for me.. i would do it once in a while.
When I'm with friends instead of drinking I'd smoke a bowl...
go to the corner get me a 30 sack.
(for those who don't know half ounce)
split it with my friends and have a good time Smile...
also you could make brownies with it and it wouldn't be bad for you in any way at all.
KronikSindrome
weed IS addictive....ALCOHOL IS addictive......alcohol is way more addictive than marijuana....

FOOD is addictive, SEX is addictive, heck, almost ANYTHING is addictive....

GRANTED, some things do have addictive additives...CIGGARETTES, METH, CAFIENE.....

MARIJUANA has NO ADDED addictive chemicals........

people who DO get addicted to marijuana? tend to loose ambition or motivation, sit around
and watch tv too much, loose some social interest, forget things, are a little spacey...get a litte
iritable when they run out.

people who get addicted to alcohol? tend to BLACK OUT and do things they compeletely
can't remember, be violent, puke, pass out....Get the shakes and feel bad when without....

hhmmm.....WHY is alcohol legal and pot isn't? besides the prohibition being a FAILURE I mean...


I don't smoke pot on a daily basis..I smoke maybe 2-3 times a month.....
but I USED TO smoke everyday, and I do have friends and family who do...
they are not a danger to themselves or humanity........


PEOPLE who have addictive behaiviors should avoid all things that are addictive....
(but we can't ask them to stop eating certainly) Teens probably shouldn't use any
mind altering substances, I did when I was young and I was smart enough to stay
outa trouble, but not all of them are...and it can lead to problems (like getting busted)
that can lead to cycles (like being in teh system, saying 'fe#k it', goin' to meth and ruining
thier lives).....But as a grown adult I think that marijuana should be just as legal as alcohol....

okay I'm done ranting Laughing
KronikSindrome
anime wrote:
i think yea we already got enough problem and its ILEGAL and in my country if they saw you with drugs you might spend 5~10 years in JAIL hm so its so hard and still people go mad and btw still alcohol same ILEGAL So we dont see alot of drunk ppl in our Streets maybe 1 in a whole year and it will became Scandal :DDDD So i thankgod to this rules cause it saves many lives ^^ Idea


Alcohol is ilegal?! you shuold move. that's a bummer.

I'd go crazy if i couldn't have a beer once in a while
ExplicitRyan
Alcohol is legal and it's just as bad or worse than weed because you can actually OD on alcohol. Which you can't on weed. Alcohol is more addictive than weed as well. The only reason weed is illegal and alcohol isn't is because the goverment makes money off alcohol and not weed, people would grow their own plants if it were legal.
windrei
most people do it, most people take it, does not mean that it is a habit and not harmful to health. Marijuana is becoming more and more popular. Many people start to take it in their teenager ages. What should we do is to ban it, so that it will not harm to the teenagers anymore, not allowing it to continue to waving in the society just because most people take it, it's normal now.. It's completely an opposite idea to allow it...
justnewbie
Why everyone should compare marijuana with cigarettes or alcoholic drinks? I meant, marijuana is at least a pyschoactive drug, and in my opinion is much easier to get addicted than the other two. Imagine this case; so assume we legalize weed smoking, and it became a norm, thus society is seeking for an even dangerous drug, it's just basically when you open a small hole, sooner or later it will grow bigger and bigger.

Don't you think that we should think of reducing cigarette smokers or heavy drinkers instead of legalizing another drug? I meant like, wouldn't it be an utopia if there's no those negative substances. Imagine one of your family member came home drunk, or getting a call from the cops that one's been driving under alcohol influence- would you favor that? Cigarettes, hell, I hate them, and yet you're still smoking in front of me when I'm eating my lunch. It doesn't matter if you're trying to kill yourself, just don't drag me to hell with you.

Fine, I'm not saying all smokers or drinkers have such kind of attitude, and OK, you said that people have their own choice. But I preferred the government to play their role to reduce them, and I would be really happy if someone managed to ban caffeine. It's not how we should view these substances from benefits to disadvantages, look further, yeah, I meant a bit more further; and I would call it 'humanism', like the banning slaves, something that we should look at a larger scale, the mankind. We don't like our children to be associated with cigarettes, drugs, caffeine or something in the same group, then slowly reduce and ban them- that would be great.

Let me ask you again if legalizing marijuana is logic, you're allowing some kind of drug that alter our minds to think that the temporal subsconscious state is pleasurable, while logical and reasonal thinking doesn't apply to someone under drug influence. People know it's bad and they keep doing it, and you said it's their choice- which is totally illogical/unreasonable at all!
Tumbleweed
I think we/they should legalise all drugs , but make the punishments for criminal or anti-social behaviour under the influence of them more severe
spinout
I think it's best to forbidden as a drug. But it has other good qualities such as paper...
Whong
I don't think it should be allowed. It is a drug just like LSD or any other.
twilightlover15
I personally think that there would be the same problems.
And also I HATE having to stand close to people smoking and doing drugs. It makes me sick.
So i'm against it.
Srs2388
I wont lie i have smoked it more than once myself... nothing bad ever happened at all.
I smoked a joint i smoked a blunt and a bong.. not addicted im not going out killing people to get weed i didn't drop out of school. I have a job... i am keeping a job.
If it were legalized the government would add a weed tax though..
Vladalf
I think it should be legalized. People when they see its illegal they try.
If it would be legal there would be less people dying of drugs.
a.Bird
alkady wrote:
If it was legal, Gangs would enter new markets or expand existing markets such as Loan Sharking and so on.

Plus you have to remember that if it was legal, Pot would be regulated by the government and a "Pot" tax will be imposed which would make buying from Drug Dealers a better Alternative since they would have lowered their prices to stay competitive.


This may have already been mentioned but don't you think this sounds a bit contradictory? If buying from "drug dealers" would be a better alternative, then why would they need to expand their other markets? Or were you perhaps playing devil's advocate with your original point?
bundit
I don't see why it shouldn't be legal... it's less harmful then drinking in a lot of ways. People are a lot less likely to get into brawls when they are having the munchies...
medievalman26
No people are dumb enough without it so let those who are ignoramuses do what they want but leave it illegal. If you make it legal than you just end up with something worse being used because they can get pot easier so it doesn't matter there will always be similar arguments. I am staying out of it on this one.
kosecc
I would have to say yes, make it legal, but to an certain extent. It should be legalized for only some purposes, such as sedatives. Also, there should be more occasions like 420. For some reason, it seems a bit too peaceful on that day. Peace is good, no?
knight_frost
hehe... ok it would be nice for pot to legalized if we only think of money (imposed huge taxes on it).. but if you are going to after the care of the people, then you would not allow such medicine to roam the society grounds
awentsbury
There does to be so much missinformation on this subject , one minute it is harmless then the next it is not , Politics is behind this I am sure , some people say that it is much stonger now than it was 30 years ago when this present goverment`s cabinet were all smoking it , Is this true , I must say i do like the smell of it beeing smoked .
The police could be doing better things than wasting ime with this .

Any more thoughts??
Ian Laughing
Jack_Hammer
windrei wrote:
most people do it, most people take it, does not mean that it is a habit and not harmful to health. Marijuana is becoming more and more popular. Many people start to take it in their teenager ages. What should we do is to ban it, so that it will not harm to the teenagers anymore, not allowing it to continue to waving in the society just because most people take it, it's normal now.. It's completely an opposite idea to allow it...


Cannabis is illegal in most places (To be in posetion of a control substance is illegal)

I think cannabis should de-criminalised not legalised, it should be controlled (Just like it is in Holland). Though also cannabis can have a drastic effect on the developing mind (For constant users) so the age limit in my opinion should be 21 (When the male mind on average is fully developed also taking into account people will get it when they are a couple of years younger). With this in place I think that tobbacco should be banned. Tobbacco much more addictive and much worse for you as well.
TomGrey
Compared to alcohol, it is not so bad in some ways, worse in other ways.

It should be legal, regulated, and taxed, with stronger punishments against illegal sellers (like those selling to underage).

Peaceful, voluntary use of drugs by adults should be legal -- gov't violence should not be used to stop peaceful activities.
LukeZone
There is no question that if marijuana were any other drug, decisions about its medical use would be up to doctors and patients. Instead, today, the politics of the drug war intervene. Patients and doctors who get involved with medical marijuana face potentially grave risks. And government seems committed to maximizing the fear and uncertainty faced by those who might benefit using it.

It need not be this way. Scientific and medical texts going back thousands of years point to medicinal properties for marijuana. Modern scientific studies, including six sponsored by U.S. states in the 1970s and 1980s, demonstrate that smoked marijuana reduces nausea and reduces pain for many patients, especially those facing cancer chemotherapy and glaucoma.

More to the point, thousands of patients and their families and doctors have experienced and witnessed the medical benefits of marijuana. They have told others. They have testified at public hearings and appeared in the mass media. They have contributed to books and research studies on the drug. The phenomenon is real.

Those who say the evidence is not yet good enough miss the point. The evidence is clearly good enough to make two declarations now: 1) decisions about marijuana for medical use belong in the hands of doctors and patients, and 2) there is no reason at all to subject medical patients who use marijuana for legitimate medical purposes to the risk of arrest, jail, fines, and public embarassment.

Conclusion: Because current laws deprives doctors and patients of this freedom, and classify patients as criminals, all such laws should be changed.

Science should be free to pursue more definitive data on marijuana. Doctors and patients can only benefit from such new information.

But the political controversy that follows marijuana should not stretch all the way into doctors' offices and into patients' hospital rooms and homes. The drug war's generals should declare a hasty retreat from this front.
biljap
I don’t think that marijuana should be legalized; I don’t see the point of that. It doesn’t make sense. I can understand making it legal only for some medical cases, not for everybody.
Fake
My current opinion...

It doesn't mean whether there are millions of users of this thing or not, it is not good. Hence should not be legal
Bannik
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biljap

I don’t think that marijuana should be legalized; I don’t see the point of that. It doesn’t make sense. I can understand making it legal only for some medical cases, not for everybody.

- Why doesn’t it make sense? People smoke, drink and have weird sex, it’s a choice, and if I want to take something that isn’t harmful I should be allowed too.


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knight_frost
hehe... ok it would be nice for pot to legalized if we only think of money (imposed huge taxes on it).. but if you are going to after the care of the people, then you would not allow such medicine to roam the society grounds

-why wouldn’t you, you allow cigarettes and alcohol, you allow drugs that can kill be sold over the counter (paracetamol can kill if you take too many, with weed you can’t)

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medievalman26
No people are dumb enough without it so let those who are ignoramuses do what they want but leave it illegal. If you make it legal than you just end up with something worse being used because they can get pot easier so it doesn't matter there will always be similar arguments. I am staying out of it on this one.


-again why? Is it worse if its legal, you people keep posting these replies without a reason is really annoying.

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twilightlover15
I personally think that there would be the same problems.
And also I HATE having to stand close to people smoking and doing drugs. It makes me sick.
So i'm against it.


so how many people have done drugs next to you and where were you?

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Whong
I don't think it should be allowed. It is a drug just like LSD or any other.


if thats the case ban cough medicine or any other anti depressent or heck ban all medicine all together.

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spinout
I think it's best to forbidden as a drug. But it has other good qualities such as paper...


Hemp toilet paper Laughing

This is the best one – I love the nickname
Justnewbie

Why everyone should compare marijuana with cigarettes or alcoholic drinks? (Marijuana is used like cigarettes and alcohol a recreational tool) I meant, marijuana is at least a psychoactive drug, and in my opinion is much easier to get addicted than the other two (nope sorry it isnt, there has not been a full modern study to see the effects of marijuana) . Imagine this case; so assume we legalize weed smoking, and it became a norm, thus society is seeking for an even dangerous drug (why would people search for an even bigger drug, I can get my hands on any drug I want but I don’t, also people don’t take drug because it is dangerous, people take it because of the effects, and no 2 drugs are alike, salvia and marijuana both have different effects if one is legalised that doesn’t mean the other will be used more because the effects don’t ware off if its legal, they stay the same), it's just basically when you open a small hole, sooner or later it will grow bigger and bigger. (What if the hole is already open and people already using marijuana at a huge scale, would it be better to close the hole or take control of it)


Don't you think that we should think of reducing cigarette smokers or heavy drinkers instead of legalizing another drug? (that’s not the issue, the issue is people who smoke cigs and drink are allowed to take a substance that is dangerous and it causes far more crime and damage than marijuana but people are still going to jail for marijuana use and its just not fair, either make them all illegal or legalise the ones that aren’t harmful) I meant like, wouldn't it be a utopia if there's no those negative substances. Imagine one of your family members came home drunk, or getting a call from the cops that one's been driving under alcohol influence- would you favor that? Cigarettes, hell, I hate them, and yet you're still smoking in front of me when I'm eating my lunch. It doesn't matter if you're trying to kill yourself, just don't drag me to hell with you.

Negative substances? Like alcohol, marijuana, cigarettes, pain killers, cough medicine, caffeine, superglue (for the sniffers) – you have to be specific a lot of items on sale in our streets are harmful to us some less then others – take this for example no one has died of a marijuana overdose.

Fine, I'm not saying all smokers or drinkers have such kind of attitude, and OK, you said that people have their own choice. But I preferred the government to play their role to reduce them, and I would be really happy if someone managed to ban caffeine. It's not how we should view these substances from benefits to disadvantages, look further, yeah, I meant a bit more further; and I would call it 'humanism', like the banning slaves, something that we should look at a larger scale, the mankind. We don't like our children to be associated with cigarettes, drugs, caffeine or something in the same group, then slowly reduce and ban them- that would be great.

Look further? Slavery? Are you high? It’s the opposite I have the right of freedom to do what I want to my body unless it causes harm to others in a serious way i.e. if I want to stick a giant stud up my Johnson I can if I want to smoke pot I should be allowed as well.

If you ban these substances you are removing freedom to choose.



Let me ask you again if legalizing marijuana is logic, you're allowing some kind of drug that alter our minds to think that the temporal subconscious state is pleasurable, while logical and reasonal thinking doesn't apply to someone under drug influence.

If you are trying to say that it alters you mind then sure a lot of drugs do that heck masturbation causes chemicals discharge inside the human mind, stress causes flight of fight reaction (high blood pressure, dilated pupils, increases heart rate, increase in physical concentration.) are you suggesting the banning of masturbation and outlawing stress?
What about dandelion the flower with anti stress properties, when used as coffee works as a relaxing substance (it works) are you saying dandelions are evil to society?

People know it's bad and they keep doing it, and you said it's their choice- which is totally illogical/unreasonable at all!

So basically you want to ban all drugs of the counter in your local store and only allow prescriptions from doctors?
When you get a headache I hope all your local pharmacies are closed.



Hemp toilet paper Laughing
kilotun
Mary jane the greatest little "HERB" ever in the world, will never be legal because the government can't tax it. and the government can't tax it because it so easy to grow shame on vince Mc Mahon for giving away RVD's World Heavyweight Title, and the ECW title just because he was *busted* with a little bit of weed. Vince if you happen to read this and i ever see you i'll ram a rod down your throat
Ghost Rider103
It does too cause negative effects, even if it is used responsibly. Just like alcohol, it fries your brain.

You may not notice any difference within 5 years, but I guarntee you if you keep smoking pot for many years to come, even under moderation, you will have negative ling term effects. That is a proven fact for pot and alcohol. The same goes for smoking.
Ghost Rider103
Ghost Rider103 wrote:
It does too cause negative effects, even if it is used responsibly. Just like alcohol, it fries your brain.

You may not notice any difference within 5 years, but I guarntee you if you keep smoking pot for many years to come, even under moderation, you will have negative ling term effects. That is a proven fact for pot and alcohol. The same goes for smoking.


No, I do not think it should be legal. I think that it should stay illegal, and thos who choose to smoke it hopefully get caught and get what they deserve. It is in no way healthy for you at all, and is absolutely pointless.

If it becomes legal, I think crime will increase, by a lot. People will be getting high a lot more than they are now, and it will be even easier to get. Since it is so easy to get, people will be buying it like no other. So they will run out of money, what do thy do since they are high and brok? Commie crime, rob, murder, steal, etc. Including the drug dealers will also go broke, so their only option would be to comitt crime to get their pay.
Donutey
The amount of money spent on incarcerating people who deal/use marijuana greatly outweighs any possible negatives of marijuana use. A good comprise would be to make it a much lesser legal offense, closer to a parking ticket than to stabbing someone.
Stevezorr
It only gives an artificial happiness to the user temporarily and does nothing else to benefit society. It causes a lot of damage to the brain when used for its proper use. It should remain illegal.
marrs
Marijuana is stronger than it was 10 years ago, and this new, potent skunk weed presents dangers unrecognized years ago.

Maybe "Dangers" is too hard to use for a term but here are some facts:

The psychoactive chemicals in marijuana stay in the human body for a month.
Marijuana is far worse for the lungs than tobacco.
Difficulty keeping track of time, impaired or reduced short-term memory.heee I like that one!
Zombie
I think it should remain illegal, if someone needs it bad enough then they should give it to them, but its very addicting
Srs2388
I could actually go for some of the ganja right now... I think one day it will be legalized.
people are right it is alot more potent than it used to be.. new strands such as
"purple kush" it is the strongest straing.. the blueberry kush is also very potent.
there isn't stuff added to it though.
just the amazing chemical that naturally occurs... THC.
I bet when it is legalized that it will be illegal to have more than an ounce on you though.
but who would need that much? no one.
I could see getting away with a simple dime. or a 30 sack. I don't see why people think it's so bad.
FriBogdan
Of course it should be legal Smile). Some countries already accepted this drug and bad things didn't happen yet Razz
cloudship
I really hope that one day human can get rid of the smoking thing. However, marijuana is sometimes valuable as drugs to cure diseases. It is just a two-blade sword, the only question lies in how to utilize it in the right way.
Afaceinthematrix
I agree that it should be legal in the US. I have never drank or smoked anything. However, I wish it were legal. Most of the United State's jails are full of people with drug problems. I would much rather have that room available for rapists. There is so much crime because of drug dealing. I also feel that the quality of my eduction would have been better if marijuana was legal. In high school, so many people came to school simply to deal drugs. This created many problems at school, and brought down my education. If it was legal in the US, then the United States would save a lot of money fighting it and then they could at least tax the hell out of it, like cigarettes. That would make the marijuana safer (it sounds ironic, but the contents could be monitored). The tax collected from it could then be used for anti-drug programs. That also sounds ironic, but I just though of it and I think it would work. If more people use drugs, then more tax dollars will be collected. That works out because if more people do drugs, more programs become necessary. But as less and less people do drugs, fewer programs/tax dollars are needed.
thejam
I really do not understand why its illegal in the first place. The intoxicating efect is not as big as the efects of alcohol, the damages it does to your body is way less as well (depends on the way of consumption). The discussion wether to forbid weed seems to be forever. The discussion of punishing alcohol consumers seems hardly to exist at all. Don't get me wrong; i think both alcohol and marijuana must be (limited) available. But its the human hypocricy again what pisses me of about this issue.
ankitdatashn
Every thing that would cause a harm to human health as a whole should be banned. Things like cigarettes, tobacco, alcohol which would cause dieases of various kinds should not be sold in shops. I personally have that opinion
skygaia
In my country, marijuana is considerated a kind of drugs like cocaine. But i don't know how much it is addicted and harmful for people.
devotchka
Tobacco and Alcohol are as addictive and harmful as marijuana is, but they are socially acceptable and legal because of the huge profits it brings for companies and the government.
Pot is illegal because the government cannot tax it.
ZectorMS
No, too many people are already high and such. This would make drug dealers more powerful and more people going crazy. It would also encourage more drugs to be legal. This would hurt our regular lifes a much.
alyer
i think it woud be a hell
miacps
Marijuana should be legalized in the United States. In my opinion, it would be great for our society. Billions of dollars of citizen's money is spent every year trying to get rid of something that poses no real threat. What should be done is cannabis should be legalized, citizens allowed to legally grow their own, and reputable businesses should be allowed to sell it to those that are old enough; lets say 21 years old. The government should tax all cannabis sold and invest those taxes into a minimum health care that all U.S. citizens would be entitled to.

Prohibition has caused a very serious problem. Where do you think gangs and other criminal organizations get funding? Do you think they have part time jobs at Wendy's flipping burgers when they aren't out committing crimes? It wouldn't even be that much of a stretch to think that terrorists would invest in grow operations in order to earn some quick funds. Sure, there may be some growers out there that are simply good people making a product that they enjoy available in return for some monetary compensation. However, they are the minority and there are a huge amount that are in it with sole criminal intent.

Marijuana needs to be legalized and taxed, not so people can get high without fearing consequences (though there is absolutely nothing wrong with this philosophically), but so we can stop wasting money on prohibition (which has never worked) and start taking money out of the hands of the people that are actually damaging our society and are being funded by prohibition.
Ghost Rider103
I disagree, it needs to stay illegal.

With more high people on the loose, we will expierence more robbieres, since the people who are smoking it need more money because all they buy is weed, since they will be high, well then they might just rob someone, or a gas station, etc.

It would be a much more dangerous place if more people came out in public while they were high, espically while driving.
miacps
I don't mean to offend but your opinion is really ridiculous and seems to be based on propaganda. You seem to know very little of the herb's actual effects or addiction potential.

Quote:
With more high people on the loose, we will expierence more robbieres, since the people who are smoking it need more money because all they buy is weed, since they will be high, well then they might just rob someone, or a gas station, etc.


Marijuana is far less addictive than most legal substances which include nicotine, alcohol.

http://www.drugsense.org/mcwilliams/www.marijuanamagazine.com/toc/addictiv.htm

I'm unsure of how many people run out and rob someone because they don't have any money to buy beer and cigarettes, but considering that marijuana is far less addictive than those two, it must be a lot for you to come to that conclusion. You really should quit watching "Reefer Madness" and read a little bit into it.

In my experience I find that unlike alcohol, marijuana will increase your inhibitions making you less likely to do something you normally wouldn't.

At the risk of you totally disregarding what I have written and unfairly branding me as just some other pot head drug user, let me say that I find when I can't afford any marijuana, I just don't buy any marijuana. I have experienced little to no addiction. Let me define what I mean by little as to avoid any confusion. When I say little, I mean that in the past when I've had absolutely nothing to do, I've wished that I had some weed. I question if this qualifies as addiction since in a situation when one has nothing to do, they will often want to do something they enjoy to pass the time.

I also doubt that legalization would have that much of an increase in availability since all you have to do in most parts of America is to walk down the street and pick some up from a friend.

Legalizing marijuana and setting laws for its responsible use would be a great gain for our society, not to mention the taxes made will allow more government sponsored programs and money will be saved instead of used on eradicating harmless hemp plants which contain no where enough THC to be used as a drug. Isn't it great that the government is wasting tens of millions each year to destroy the equivalent of Bermuda crab grass?

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2006/09/08/043/34812

http://www.haleakalatimes.com/story2245.aspx
hoodline
i smoke weed and i dont care if its illegal or legal ill still smoke it
Afaceinthematrix
Ghost Rider103 wrote:
I disagree, it needs to stay illegal.

With more high people on the loose, we will expierence more robbieres, since the people who are smoking it need more money because all they buy is weed, since they will be high, well then they might just rob someone, or a gas station, etc.

It would be a much more dangerous place if more people came out in public while they were high, espically while driving.


Do you honestly think that legalizing it will make it to where more people smoke cannabis? I used to see people smoking it out in front of my school. I've seen people deal it at school. It's so easy to get a hold of that anybody can do it. It comes down to this: you either decide to do it or decide not to do it. I personally decide not to do it, and legalizing it wouldn't change my mind.
karysky
No it shouldn't be.

It stinks.

It's bad for health.

No way!

As for if legalizing it would create more smokers, I think that yes, a little percentage would start smoking it if it becomes legal. Or, at the very least, start smoking MORE.
Ghost Rider103
Yeas actually, I do believe legalizing it would create more smokers.

Why? Well since it's legal, more people will be more open about it, and more people will be getting offered to try it at leaste once, and well if they like it hey we got ourselves another pot head.
James_Hicks
I think it should be legalized in the United States of America. I was an alcoholic for years and smoked marijuana for years and I can testify that alcohol is a lot worse. Not just in the sense of being under the influence but in the way of judgment. I don't recall being an angry drunk but my wife says I was. She said I was comical when I smoked marijuana. Personal use is a great way to go but it could also solve a lot of the America debt if it were sold and heavily taxed. In my opinion, with all intoxicating drugs and alcohol, I see nothing wrong with it if it is done at home and no children are present. If you'd rather do heroin in your home, go right ahead. Just don't end up like Layne Staley from Alice In Chains and be rotting in your flat for two weeks when you overdose.
nilsmo
I don't think legalizing would reduce usage because usage seems to be low.. What is it anyway?
miacps
Ghost Rider103 wrote:
Yeas actually, I do believe legalizing it would create more smokers.

Why? Well since it's legal, more people will be more open about it, and more people will be getting offered to try it at leaste once, and well if they like it hey we got ourselves another pot head.

Don't you think taking marijuana out of the hands of children is much more important than "maybe if it were legal, more people might decide to try it"? The key is not just legalization, but control. Marijuana is all over public middle schools/ high schools. Ever wonder why the same isn't true for alcohol? When a substance is legal and controlled, its much harder for minors to attain because commercial vendors will be the first place to be investigated if a minor is caught with said substance. Gas stations aren't going to risk selling beer/cigarettes to minors when the consequences can be heavy fines and jail time. Dealers of illegal drugs, however, don't care at all who they sell their product to. The penalties would be the same no matter what if they are caught.

Also, are you saying that an adult of 21 years of age or older isn't responsible enough to decide for themselves if they should/should not use a substance that poses little health or addiction risk?
Zuex
Should be legalised, its just a plant, and if you happen to light it up, there are some side effects.
I mean Aspirin's perfectly legal, but if you take 10 of those mother ....ers, that'll be your last headache ..
KronikSindrome
it's less intoxicating than alcohol -
if beer is legal pot certainly should be.
tzabaot
Should Be
asdf2142
pot legal :/ idk friend does it hes going blind so i say no.
Dadde
Legalise !
miacps
asdf2142 wrote:
pot legal :/ idk friend does it hes going blind so i say no.

Marijuana is not known to cause any sort of optical issues. Though not effective in the long term, it can be used to temporarily treat glaucoma.

That said; I'm very sorry to hear that, it would be terrible to go blind. Hopefully your friend's condition is reversible.
fpwebs
Should Marijuana be legal?

I don't smoke any kind of drug and I am completely sober right now, and most likely the future. Many people would argue that Marijuana should be legal and many people have correct judgement upon their views. Trust me, I'm not here to post something to support "pot heads" and such like that, I'm going to actually give my honest opinion on the entire topic.

I have researched and had some friends research the harmfulness of Marijuana, and we practically found out that Marijuana isn't even that harmful of a drug. It's actually safer than Cigarettes and Alcohol, so honeslty speaking Marijuana is techinically safer than the other drugs, yet it's still illegal.

If it wasn't illegal and they made it legal than more people would want to do it because they wouldn't be doing something "forbidden" therefore people will move on to do something else that's illegal. However that doesn't mean that making it legal would help a lot of people out by making our society more safer since there probably wouldn't be so much hostile around towns for such a drug.

In conclusion I believe that making it legal would be a good thing to help out the community in many ways, however it wouldn't be too much of a help considering other problems that we have along with such.
Afaceinthematrix
fpwebs wrote:

If it wasn't illegal and they made it legal than more people would want to do it because they wouldn't be doing something "forbidden" therefore people will move on to do something else that's illegal. However that doesn't mean that making it legal would help a lot of people out by making our society more safer since there probably wouldn't be so much hostile around towns for such a drug.


I completely disagree. Marijuana is illegal yet I still see people smoking it all the time. It's so easy to get a hold of that anybody who wants to try it will try it. If you don't smoke, then you won't smoke. It's as simple as that. Cigarettes are legal yet many people don't use them.
orrvaa
i think people should find themselves better things to do, other than doing drugs, and no matter how "light" the drug is...we live once, so we better not waist our lives on smoking chimicals....
miacps
orrvaa wrote:
we live once, so we better not waist our lives on smoking chimicals....


This is very true. However, I don't think it's right to waste the lives of people that enjoy the herb by sending them to jail for something that just isn't hurting anyone but themselves(and the damage done is most likely equivalent to eating a big mac, maybe not even as bad). When used in moderation, its definitely not wasting your life. In fact, I would say that when used responsibly it can actually enrich your life.

Afaceinthematrix wrote:
Cigarettes are legal yet many people don't use them.


Very good point. I personally can't stand cigarettes. I can't understand why people like them, they're just not pleasant in anyway. Mad
chocbizkit
Many people who think that pot should be legal bring up prohibition. Regulated alcohol was much better than unregulated, violent-crime related bathtub gin. However, I think there is an important difference between alcohol and pot.

I've never heard of anyone claiming that having a drink leads to drug problems, though plenty of times has weed been labeled a gateway drug. I don't really think pot should be legal.

However, if it did become legal, I think at first everyone would get stoned, then the novelty would quickly wear off. Of course, the funniest bit is that as soon as the Prez signs that bill, he'd get truckloads of free weed.
a.Bird
orrvaa wrote:
i think people should find themselves better things to do, other than doing drugs, and no matter how "light" the drug is...we live once, so we better not waist our lives on smoking chimicals....
Orrvaa, don't you think that "our lives" are personal endeavors? Just as you apparently wish to not 'waste' your life by smoking (which by the way is a very subjective use of the term), I wish to make my own decisions in life without you telling me what to do as if you are some police authority. Ultimately, you will never stop people from doing what they really want to do unless you intervene directly, in which case you are taking other people's lives into your own hands. So, should people (everyone, including you) be able to choose to smoke or not smoke as long as they don't intervene in other people's affairs, or should one specific person or cabinet of people be in charge of everyone's personal life choices (including yours) whether or not you agree with them? As you said, "we live once."
friuser
In California pot is legal but federally it's still illegal and you can still get arrested since federally it's still illegal. I do not know what's the big deal since it's no more addictive than tobacco in my opinion. For example one can argue people should find better things to do than eat till they are obese cause you know that's an epidemic in the usa.
Ghost Rider103
friuser wrote:
In California pot is legal but federally it's still illegal and you can still get arrested since federally it's still illegal. I do not know what's the big deal since it's no more addictive than tobacco in my opinion. For example one can argue people should find better things to do than eat till they are obese cause you know that's an epidemic in the usa.


Then how would pot be illegal, yet still be legal? Your post doesn't make any sense at all to me.

I know in some states so much pot can get you in so much trouble. Like if you don't have very much, they will just take it away from you, and you will be on your way with a warning.

But how is it legal, yet fedrally illegal? lol that doesn't make any sense.
miacps
Ghost Rider103 wrote:
But how is it legal, yet fedrally illegal? lol that doesn't make any sense.


Theres federal laws, and theres state laws. The federal law says marijuana is completely illegal, thats why even though medical marijuana is legit and legal in California, federal law has been stepping in and charging people.

What it comes down to is federal laws and state laws are clashing.

Heres an older article that I found on google:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/06/scotus.medical.marijuana/index.html

By the way, friuser, I wasn't aware that marijuana was completely legal in California. Are you sure you don't mean medical marijuana is completely legal? Or has personal use been decriminalized?
ptfrances
Marijuana became legal in a lot of europeans countries but some as France are always reticent to legalize marijuana, even if researches have shown that there is no more cosumption when this drug is legalize or not
Feroc1ty
Legalize the leaf!
R4J4H-D4T-808
i say Marijuana should be legal because it well make the Government more money and people smoke it anyway so they should just make it legal
jamesfox
NO, it should not be legalized... at least in the states. Here, if they legalized it, they would tax the crap out of it and it would cost 3-4 x what you could buy it for on the streets! Forget about crime rates, they probably wouldn't skip a beat. Real dealers make their money on higher level drugs anyhow.
misterXY
alkady wrote:
If it was legal, Gangs would enter new markets or expand existing markets such as Loan Sharking and so on.

Plus you have to remember that if it was legal, Pot would be regulated by the government and a "Pot" tax will be imposed which would make buying from Drug Dealers a better Alternative since they would have lowered their prices to stay competitive.

Agreed.
quilledbroomstick
I don't smoke it, but I have tried it and I dont like it. On the other hand, I know many of my family members (wont mention any names) that smoke and have smoked for many many years. None of them are "stupid" or unable to learn by any means. In fact, most of them are very successful in their lives and have done quite well for themselves. I believe that Marijuana should be made legal, however, because it is an herb I don't think the government should regulate it by any means. I understand it has components that can alter the chemicals in the brain, however, there are other alternative herbs that can pretty much do the same thing and those are not illegal. There are folks that will argue that smoking and injesting marijuana actually has healing properties which can be beneficial to the human body. I am self-studying herbology right now and I can say that from what I have learned thus far, there are many herbs out there that can do more harm than marijuana. The American indians didn't smoke the "peace pipe" for nothing. Maybe if marijuana was made legal we would have less crime in this world.....

I vote to legalize it!
Srs2388
I think it would decrease crime because after smoking it you have a serene that comes over you and you don't want to harm anyone or anything.
You love everything
marrs
I guess marijuana should be legal for those in pain, but if we are talking about in general no, because even if you don't see effects right away you are still causing damage to your body. It doesn't make sense to cause unecessary harm if you aren't in some sort of condition. It's funny because in my intro to psychology class we had this same discussion and my professor said he thinks it should be legal if they let cigarettes be legal. i feel that we don't need two wrongs in the wprld of drugs and I hate cigarettes too, and I want those band too.
miacps
marrs, marijuana is no more harmful on the body than a bowl of chocolate ice cream (perhaps even less harmful). Both can bring enjoyment even if they aren't the most health conscientious activities. I personally hate chocolate ice cream but I wouldn't want to see it banned because of my own personal tastes. No ones going to make you smoke weed, cigarettes or eat chocolate ice cream so whats the problem? Wink
Afaceinthematrix
marrs wrote:
I guess marijuana should be legal for those in pain, but if we are talking about in general no, because even if you don't see effects right away you are still causing damage to your body. It doesn't make sense to cause unecessary harm if you aren't in some sort of condition. It's funny because in my intro to psychology class we had this same discussion and my professor said he thinks it should be legal if they let cigarettes be legal. i feel that we don't need two wrongs in the wprld of drugs and I hate cigarettes too, and I want those band too.


Why do you care if other people are harming themselves? I don't know where you live, but I think you would maybe feel differently if you lived in the U.S. (maybe you do) and fully understood the implications that making marijuana illegal has caused. The U.S. has spent trillions of dollars on their "War on Drugs" and that has partially led to a huge deficit (along with the War in Iraq) that has essentially been useless. Banning marijuana hasn't done anything - at all. People still smoke it every single day. The prisons are filled with drug dealers over rapists. If it was legal, the same people, for the most part, would smoke it. The only difference would be that the government could regulate it and tax the crap out of it. You have to let people make that personal choice on their own.
tony
counselr10 wrote:
I am a drug/alcohol counselor and many teens have told me if pot were legal there would be very few gang problems, kids in jail, and most of societies ills will be gone, except maybe for the few that get addicted. What do you think? I have arguements either way.


I think its true actually. The banning of marijuana has just created a taboo and moved the business to the underground society. As a result, there is no tax revenue from sales, its difficult to use it for medicinal value, and there is now a strong gang subculture tied to it.
Srs2388
i love it.
i wish it was legal. id smoke it now. Very Happy
Gonzalo
I don´t know if it´s right or wrong, but here in Buenos Aires there are actually more and more protests every day asking for marihuana personal cultivation to become legal. It would be a really interesting thing for regular consumers who have to enter some ghetto areas called "villas" in here to purchase the product. The villas are really dangerous, and I mean dangerous.

So, if this becomes law, you can not smoke or carry marihuana on the street, but you can actually make it grow in your house (1 plant per person I think, don´t really know what are they limitations they are asking for).


Gonzalo.
doapnixon
I know for a fact that if weed was legal, the prices of it would shoot up, which could lead to an increase in robberies because people would need more money to buy the weed
Afaceinthematrix
doapnixon wrote:
I know for a fact that if weed was legal, the prices of it would shoot up, which could lead to an increase in robberies because people would need more money to buy the weed


Legality doesn't necessarily have to mean price inflation. It can be a government regulated product. Price control could be implemented.
Gonzalo
doapnixon wrote:
I know for a fact that if weed was legal, the prices of it would shoot up, which could lead to an increase in robberies because people would need more money to buy the weed


I laughed at this conclusion but not in a harsh way. I’m sorry to dissent, but legality on a product means that the offer will rise due to now having a legal way to fight the monopoly of big retailers and this has a strict influence in price which goes down immediately.

“How to fight a big producer?” You may ask to yourself. Well, it’s obvious that a big enterprise producer can offer lower prices due to selling amount quantities, BUT they are still aware of not getting that product price OVER the offered by little sellers.
So the market price can get static or lower, but never higher because of this law friendly situation.


Gonzalo.

Pd, I laughed again when I finished writing this and realized I was talking about marihuana.
Srs2388
It's already pretty expensive. I think the prices would be cheaper than what they are now.
joostvane
What are drugs? Things that get you addicted? Well, if they don't want drugs to be legal, they should ban PC, smoking, drinking, ... I mean, thats addictive aswell.

If people want to use Marijuana it is their own choice... They should make it legal...
Afaceinthematrix
joostvane wrote:
What are drugs? Things that get you addicted? Well, if they don't want drugs to be legal, they should ban PC, smoking, drinking, ... I mean, thats addictive aswell.

If people want to use Marijuana it is their own choice... They should make it legal...


No. Drugs are any substance that goes into your body, besides food or drink, that can alter the way that you feel and/or think.
Srs2388
I doubt the prices would double or triple from the street price.. you couldn't even buy one blunt without spending like 15 dollars if that was the case. A dime would then cost the price of a half an ounce.
I would see the price being lower than what it is now. That is just me though.
It isn't addictive either... I've smoked it a few times and never went bizerk (spelling)
when i didn't have it.
I think it would be nice to go to the store purchase a pack of marijuana cigs. lol.
gr8inferno
legal to those who needs it, yes.
bigt
counselr10 wrote:
I am a drug/alcohol counselor and many teens have told me if pot were legal there would be very few gang problems, kids in jail, and most of societies ills will be gone, except maybe for the few that get addicted. What do you think? I have arguements either way.


I don't think marijuana is as harmless as most think. I also think it's a slippery slope; legalize marijuana then what, meth & crack? And marijuana does impair things like driving, so that could affect other people.
Gonzalo
Alcohol is actually the most viable reason nowadays for car accidents, alcohol makes you feel like he-man on wheels at 200 km/h. A person smoking marihuana will drive at 10km/h and think he is flying like meteoro.

I don´t really think street safety will be disrupted by weed.
Srs2388
It wouldn't everyone i have rode with on it drives slower and are all calm and drive better than without it.
If it were legal i would smoke it right now
dledhead
counselr10 wrote:
I am a drug/alcohol counselor and many teens have told me if pot were legal there would be very few gang problems, kids in jail, and most of societies ills will be gone, except maybe for the few that get addicted. What do you think? I have arguements either way.


Legalized marijuana and most other drugs could eliminate the criminal aspect of the drug market. William F. Buckley, father of the modern conservative movement in the United States, was a proponent of drug legalization for that very reason.
dledhead
friuser wrote:
In California pot is legal but federally it's still illegal and you can still get arrested since federally it's still illegal. I do not know what's the big deal since it's no more addictive than tobacco in my opinion. For example one can argue people should find better things to do than eat till they are obese cause you know that's an epidemic in the usa.


I would be curious to know if the tobacco lobbys against the legalization of marijuana. They may explain why it is a "big deal."
Gonzalo
Well, talking about the devil. Two days ago, in Argentina, a person went free of the charges they were indulting him, which were cultivating 6 marihuana plants in his garden (seems a neighbour took the time to advise the police that a person near his/her home was cultivating drugs). Anyhow, the laywers applied to the fact that it was not for selling it and was not actually disturbing anyone.
A "decreto" (don´t know the english translation for it) was aproved and made Law, it says we can cultivate in our homes 1 or 2 plants.



Smile
cadilak
NO, beacuse I never smoked Rolling Eyes
Insanity
Sure. I don't see why smoking should be legal and marijuana illegal. If it's legal, that might stop the whole black market thing and the drug trade. If it become legal, it might be cheaper to go to a legal store than to some dangerous dealer.
Zombie
no it shouldn't be legal, although in some places it almost is...
ashish2005
Sure marijuana should be legal. It is a herbal medicine and a gift of god. It gives inner peace to the mind you never really care about your tensions after you take it. It also makes you laugh at each and every thing unnecessarily.

It used to be legal in my country Nepal in the 80's. My grandfather tells me stories about smoking pot in a local Bhajan (a cultural singing about god i guess) place. Everyone used to smoke back and he talked about meeting lots of tourists and famous singers coming there just to enjoy the slow music and have some hukka, pot and such stuffs.

I don't know since when it stopped being legal but it's illegal now. Now and then I smoke marijuana, ganja but we have to fear about getting caught. My friends just got caught sometime back in a hill smoking marijuana and they really got a good nice beating from the police.
Gonzalo
They did actually hit your friends?
loonix
No it shouldn't IMHO due to the taxation the product would attract. Decriminalised maybe?
neogrinch
As far as the US goes, I think it should be legalized. I am not a pot smoker, though I have friends who toke up.

Quite frankly, I think marijuana is less dangerous a drug than alcohol.

If the govmt were to legalize weed, they would save massive amounts of money they spend arresting weed dealers and users. They could create a sin tax for it, like they do with alcohol and cigarettes and make tons of money that could go towards policing REAL criminals.

Its medicinal benefits have already been shown in recent years...the fact that it is illegal creates a stigma for users who may have a medical reason to use it.
Afaceinthematrix
bigt wrote:
counselr10 wrote:
I am a drug/alcohol counselor and many teens have told me if pot were legal there would be very few gang problems, kids in jail, and most of societies ills will be gone, except maybe for the few that get addicted. What do you think? I have arguements either way.


I don't think marijuana is as harmless as most think. I also think it's a slippery slope; legalize marijuana then what, meth & crack? And marijuana does impair things like driving, so that could affect other people.


So? It impairs driving. So does alcohol. Should alcohol be banned? Hell no. Prohibition was tried in the United States in the 1920s and many other places (like India) in the past and it has always failed. It's almost impossible to stop a black market. Money just gets wasted on trying to stop it and it turns out failing. That's what has already happened to marijuana.
Gonzalo
A smart way to fight weed it´s not trying to ban it, but actually formalizing the regular thinking affecting and molding the market. There should be more help to addicts, but...how many times have you heard of an addict that is only addicted to weed? In my experience, all the drug addict people I know take many other more dangerous drugs than marihuana. Even more, they down the effect of these drugs with marihuana. You may hear also the silly sentence: "but they START with marihuana and then get to other drugs!" <---- I bet they first consumed alcohol and tabacco.
Margery
Depends on the use, but because marijuana is mostly abused these days... it should be illegal except when you use it as a medicine for sickness.
ashish2005
Gonzalo wrote:
They did actually hit your friends?

Yes they did. The cops are very bad in doing their job here. The cops were actually there to poop. It was out of their area and they took my friends to their zone and line them up facing the other side and started hitting them on their behind. Then they took their mobile phones and told my friends to bring Rs. 5000 each the next day to the police station to get the mobile phone back. My friends did not have to pay because the next day, they took some policemen they knew to the police station to get their phones back.

Crazy isn't it?

And if marijuana was legal then there would never be such problems here again. But it might give rise to other problems like kids not caring about their lives and smoking pot the whole day long.
deanhills
counselr10 wrote:
I am a drug/alcohol counselor and many teens have told me if pot were legal there would be very few gang problems, kids in jail, and most of societies ills will be gone, except maybe for the few that get addicted. What do you think? I have arguements either way.


I think most parents will be very disturbed by this. I cannot see it happening. It is a narcotic of a kind, although I guess one can argue that glue and other substances like alcohol are also mood-altering. But still, now that we have it in a situation where it is not that easily available, possibly better to keep the status quo.

Personally I think if I were a teenager and wanted to do something adventurous and marijuana was available in the neighbourhood store, I would buy it to try it out. Thinking about it along those ways, no, I do not think it is a good idea.
linkmenot
counselr10 wrote:
I am a drug/alcohol counselor and many teens have told me if pot were legal there would be very few gang problems, kids in jail, and most of societies ills will be gone, except maybe for the few that get addicted. What do you think? I have arguements either way.



hell yeahhhhhhhhhhhh
Srs2388
I think with the economy in the US being in the shape it's in ... this would help it out a lot.
People have pain/stress/anxiety... It would be great for all of it.
Some need to unwind after a bad day at work.. (instead of drinking) smoke a joint.
They should place limits on it of course... 21 to buy or posses.
I don't see it happening though.
panthro
Yes it should.....Smoke On Smile
miacps
Srs2388 wrote:
They should place limits on it of course... 21 to buy or posses.


This is one of the key points here. I've read a lot of replies in this thread from people that are against legalization and an often used point is that if it became legal, kids would be doing it. Let me point out that this view is entirely flawed. When I was a teenager, weed was hundreds of times more easily acquired than alcohol. This is because most drug dealers don't really care who is buying their product.

I am for legalization and control of cannabis and I am also strictly against minors being able to acquire said substance. People say; "Legalize marijuana?! Are you serious?! Think of the children!" Prohibition is the reason marijuana is so easily attainable by minors. The key is control, and you can't control the black market.
bulek
I disagree that it should be legal, there is already too much drugs today, we don't need more of them.
Nehallyn
Personally, I don't care either way. But it should be done inside your own house, that crap stinks more than cigarettes, and there is already too much smoking going on in public places (hopefully, that will change with the public smoking bans going into effect in the US).
FriBogdan
I agree with the legalization of very light drugs Razz.
EyesBlu
Marijuana is harmless when used responsibly, and close to harmless when used incredibly irresponsibly. It is far less dangerous than alcohol, and therefore should have equal status under the law.
bow_death4
Remember how prohibition went? That is what is happening now except no one is rebeling for it to be legal


but there would be less crime if it were legal
vinx_18
I agree on legalizing marijuana but it should have limits... like some other towns in Europe.
Josso
It will never happen because the government would make hardly any money from it Laughing

However, giving people a false idea that it's absolutely fine is not actually a good plan. At the end of the day look at alcohol. People have this illusion that because it's legal it's fine, it's like MUCH better than illegal drugs. I mean it has to be right? Well no. The fact is it's about as harmful to you as weed if not more.
miacps
Josso wrote:
It will never happen because the government would make hardly any money from it Laughing


I doubt that. They could make a hefty sin tax off of cannabis products.

Josso wrote:
However, giving people a false idea that it's absolutely fine is not actually a good plan. At the end of the day look at alcohol. People have this illusion that because it's legal it's fine, it's like MUCH better than illegal drugs. I mean it has to be right? Well no. The fact is it's about as harmful to you as weed if not more.


I agree with your first statement, however when you go on to compare alcohol with other drugs, it apples and oranges. Alcohol is a much more dangerous substance than weed when used irresponsibly. It has toxins in it that cause damage to the brain if enough of it is consumed, while weed doesn't. Marijuana is a much more soft drug than alcohol. Alcohol, due to its addictiveness and probability to cause undesired/damaging effects, makes it a hard drug up there with coke and nicotine.

While weed shouldn't be abused, occasional use will cause close to no harm assuming it is used responsibly.
hizzy
Weed Legallized, i know a few people who have gotten charged with possesion and a buddy whos in jail for selling it, he never hurt anyone supplying them with weed, pot heads dont go smashin windows or gettin into fights, they simply sit arround smoking more pot, laughin at stupid ass things, so many good things would come if it was legalized, id imagine there might be some bad too, but thats how it happends thats life, and the goverment would make so much money, Canada is be coming the new Amsterdam, more people per capita smoking up in here than there.
xaogo
the amount of people in jail for drug related charges is absurd! Why isn't this money spent on universal health care or something useful. The war on drugs is the most useless, most time consuming, most expensive initiatives in american history.

We should not make it illegal to buy drugs, if you want drugs you'll find it one way or another. The best we can do is to educate the public about the effects/consequences of drugs. If they want to do it, then they do it.

Take cigarettes for example, they are equally as addictive as any drug and are legal to buy. However even with it being legal to buy, many people choose not to smoke because they are educated enough to know that smoking WILL lead to many serious health issues.

I'm not saying that we should sell drugs at the local pharmacy, I'm saying that we shouldn't target it because regardless of the law, people will go and do drugs.
jessic007
Marijuana should be legal because people need it for medical purposes.
Black2key
This is one of the key points here. I've read a lot of replies in this thread from people that are against legalization and an often used point is that if it became legal, kids would be doing it. Let me point out that this view is entirely flawed. When I was a teenager, weed was hundreds of times more easily acquired than alcohol. This is because most drug dealers don't really care who is buying their product.

I am for legalization and control of cannabis and I am also strictly against minors being able to acquire said substance. People say; "Legalize marijuana?! Are you serious?! Think of the children!" Prohibition is the reason marijuana is so easily attainable by minors. The key is control, and you can't control the black market.
--------- Quote end

I think marijuana should be legal because of that reason. In other words
W0rd

xD
Shazephre
counselr10 wrote:
I am a drug/alcohol counselor and many teens have told me if pot were legal there would be very few gang problems, kids in jail, and most of societies ills will be gone, except maybe for the few that get addicted. What do you think? I have arguements either way.


Marijuana is less harmfull than normal smoking unless it's excessive. Coming from me I don't think it should be legal even though I am a smoker... Don't get me wrong I like it and all but for society's sake I don't think it should be legalised.
xaogo
Shazephre wrote:
counselr10 wrote:
I am a drug/alcohol counselor and many teens have told me if pot were legal there would be very few gang problems, kids in jail, and most of societies ills will be gone, except maybe for the few that get addicted. What do you think? I have arguements either way.


Marijuana is less harmfull than normal smoking unless it's excessive. Coming from me I don't think it should be legal even though I am a smoker... Don't get me wrong I like it and all but for society's sake I don't think it should be legalised.


care to elaborate?



i don't see amsterdam going to hell and back. they are a perfectly fine society with no wasted tax payer dollars on stupid drug busts from people who are harmless.
Shazephre
xaogo wrote:
Shazephre wrote:
counselr10 wrote:
I am a drug/alcohol counselor and many teens have told me if pot were legal there would be very few gang problems, kids in jail, and most of societies ills will be gone, except maybe for the few that get addicted. What do you think? I have arguements either way.


Marijuana is less harmfull than normal smoking unless it's excessive. Coming from me I don't think it should be legal even though I am a smoker... Don't get me wrong I like it and all but for society's sake I don't think it should be legalised.


care to elaborate?



i don't see amsterdam going to hell and back. they are a perfectly fine society with no wasted tax payer dollars on stupid drug busts from people who are harmless.


True but where I live is f*cked up as it is.... I mean I cant go to either of my closest towns because about 20 chavs in each want to stab me because their little brothers and friends were stupid enough to start on me and get their a**es kicked =] Anyway yeah... Were I live is pretty rough and I'm not sure what legalising marajauna would do to society.
miacps
Shazephre wrote:
xaogo wrote:
Shazephre wrote:
counselr10 wrote:
I am a drug/alcohol counselor and many teens have told me if pot were legal there would be very few gang problems, kids in jail, and most of societies ills will be gone, except maybe for the few that get addicted. What do you think? I have arguements either way.


Marijuana is less harmfull than normal smoking unless it's excessive. Coming from me I don't think it should be legal even though I am a smoker... Don't get me wrong I like it and all but for society's sake I don't think it should be legalised.


care to elaborate?



i don't see amsterdam going to hell and back. they are a perfectly fine society with no wasted tax payer dollars on stupid drug busts from people who are harmless.


True but where I live is f*cked up as it is.... I mean I cant go to either of my closest towns because about 20 chavs in each want to stab me because their little brothers and friends were stupid enough to start on me and get their a**es kicked =] Anyway yeah... Were I live is pretty rough and I'm not sure what legalising marajauna would do to society.


I'm not understanding the link. If you're referring to gang violence, I'm positive legalization of marijuana would hit gangs hard (assuming these gangs are funded by drug money, which most are). If you're talking about something else though, I'm not understanding what other problems you think may occur due to legalization.

Anyways, sorry you have to live in a place like that. I've been in a similar situation but didn't bother roughing the kid up because I was sure he would have went crying to his big bro(s).
xaogo
Shazephre wrote:
xaogo wrote:
Shazephre wrote:
counselr10 wrote:
I am a drug/alcohol counselor and many teens have told me if pot were legal there would be very few gang problems, kids in jail, and most of societies ills will be gone, except maybe for the few that get addicted. What do you think? I have arguements either way.


Marijuana is less harmfull than normal smoking unless it's excessive. Coming from me I don't think it should be legal even though I am a smoker... Don't get me wrong I like it and all but for society's sake I don't think it should be legalised.


care to elaborate?



i don't see amsterdam going to hell and back. they are a perfectly fine society with no wasted tax payer dollars on stupid drug busts from people who are harmless.


True but where I live is f*cked up as it is.... I mean I cant go to either of my closest towns because about 20 chavs in each want to stab me because their little brothers and friends were stupid enough to start on me and get their a**es kicked =] Anyway yeah... Were I live is pretty rough and I'm not sure what legalising marajauna would do to society.



thats more an effect of illegal drugs in which the only people selling them are gangsters. It would actually help society if it were legal, that way drugs wouldn't be such a cash cow for gangs to fight over.
Wuppie
xaogo wrote:
Shazephre wrote:
xaogo wrote:
Shazephre wrote:
counselr10 wrote:
I am a drug/alcohol counselor and many teens have told me if pot were legal there would be very few gang problems, kids in jail, and most of societies ills will be gone, except maybe for the few that get addicted. What do you think? I have arguements either way.


Marijuana is less harmfull than normal smoking unless it's excessive. Coming from me I don't think it should be legal even though I am a smoker... Don't get me wrong I like it and all but for society's sake I don't think it should be legalised.


care to elaborate?



i don't see amsterdam going to hell and back. they are a perfectly fine society with no wasted tax payer dollars on stupid drug busts from people who are harmless.


True but where I live is f*cked up as it is.... I mean I cant go to either of my closest towns because about 20 chavs in each want to stab me because their little brothers and friends were stupid enough to start on me and get their a**es kicked =] Anyway yeah... Were I live is pretty rough and I'm not sure what legalising marajauna would do to society.



thats more an effect of illegal drugs in which the only people selling them are gangsters. It would actually help society if it were legal, that way drugs wouldn't be such a cash cow for gangs to fight over.


And that is very true.
In countries where drugs are grown people get killed because of all the business going on, and getting it to people in Europe or USA that want a nice party.
bvonb
it should absolutely be legal. It's not harmful and no matter which way you look at it, it's still miles and miles better than the array of meds being crammed down everyones throats to "keep them from being depressed." I'd vote for it for sure! Wink
Shazephre
bvonb wrote:
it should absolutely be legal. It's not harmful and no matter which way you look at it, it's still miles and miles better than the array of meds being crammed down everyones throats to "keep them from being depressed." I'd vote for it for sure! Wink


Yeah true. It still is harmfull if excessive it's just not as bad as smoking.
Kyohtee
With every thing comes equivilant exchange, however odd that may sound.So, in making marijuana legal, something else you happen, sort of like Cause and Effect. Either the U.S. Government would look bad or the State government would.That would eventually to a downfall of something, though i don't know what it is.And on the Verge of World war 3 with the Islamic people, we don't need it.And it being legal would cause more deaths than ever. Sad
miacps
Kyohtee wrote:
With every thing comes equivilant exchange, however odd that may sound.So, in making marijuana legal, something else you happen, sort of like Cause and Effect.


Yes.

1.) Less nonviolent people crowding prisons who are only there due to an unjust law that attempts to control what a "free" person may consume.

2.) A big boost for the economy through taxation.

3.) A huge hit to criminal activity funded through illegal sales.

4.) The creation of jobs due to legitimate companies being able to make a product available to those that wish to purchase it.

I'm sure there's probably more I'm forgetting at the moment.

Kyohtee wrote:
Either the U.S. Government would look bad or the State government would.That would eventually to a downfall of something, though i don't know what it is.And on the Verge of World war 3 with the Islamic people, we don't need it.And it being legal would cause more deaths than ever. Sad


If you want your opinion to be taken seriously, you're going to have to be less vague. You really haven't said anything to support your view except "Bad things will happen!".

Why would it make the government look bad?

Why would it lead to the downfall of "something"?

What does tension in the middle east/terrorism/the war have to do with legalization and control? (You do realize that illegal drugs can become funds for terrorism, right? All the money goes somewhere..)

Why would it cause more deaths than ever? Last time I checked there have been zero recorded deaths as a direct result of cannabis use.
shkumbin
I think it should be legal, anyway people find ways to get hold off it, plus its good for mediacal use to ease the pain and nausea in some cancer patients..... LEGALISE IT!!!!!!
jabce85
i'm from the US and just so you know, i have never tried it. anyway, i think it is a big waste of time for the police and everyone else involved in trying to stop it when they could be concentrating on other drugs that really harm people...
Zombie
If it's needed for health reasons, maryjane should definitely be legal.
mwsupra
I think it should be legal in the US, but why isn't it? It would be hard to tax it, that's one reason. People could very easily grow it in their backyard and not pay the governemt a penny. I think that's why alcohol is legal and pot isn't. The amount of tax they get on alcohol between the alcohol itself as well as liquor licenses is probably astounding. Well, at least that's my opinion on it Very Happy
andredesignz
marijuana is life good to drink for tea
airh3ad
There is no chance can legalize marijuana here in our country they call it drugs not a herbal.
bonestorm74
Yes I think it should. Alcohol is far worse in most cases for your health, marijuana really isn't that harmful when you look at it.
nigam
here in our country, marijuana is illegal...for me, it is fine as other countries where marijuana is legal.
sondosia
I don't see why marijuana needs to be legalized. Just because people can't control their own kids? That's a bad reason. Learn some better parenting skills.

I'm 17 and have never smoked a single joint or cigarette, or taken a single drink of alcohol outside of my parents' consent. If my parents hadn't emphasized early on that such things just aren't done in this family, PERIOD, things may have gone differently.

But who knows? They also instilled in me this wonderful ability called common sense. So even if they hadn't made sure that I'd never engage in any illegal or dangerous behavior by TELLING me not to, I probably wouldn't have anyway, because my parents taught me how to THINK. For myself. Not for my "friends" or "clique" or whatever the heck else other (stupid) teenagers do.

Just my thoughts on the matter.
Gonzalo
This thread is still on? wow!

Well, legalize it for once, fight rotten drug dealers where it hurts. It´s silly up to this point to still neglect this kind of things, when children about not more than 10 are in the streets inhaling glue.

It gets worst every day.
Kaseas
IMHO marijuana is about the same as alcahol, and should be regulated, but legalized.
Katina
I believe that marijuana should be a controlled legal substance, the way alcohol is. Marijuana is no more of a gateway drug than alcohol is, and is less likely to kill you. You can drink too much and kill yourself, but its very difficult to kill yourself smoking marijuana.
mattyj
i think marajuana should be legal - it causes less problems than cigarettes (cancer, lung & heart disease, etc) yet they are legal

why dont governments legalise it and tax the crap out of it?
deanhills
mattyj wrote:
i think marajuana should be legal - it causes less problems than cigarettes (cancer, lung & heart disease, etc) yet they are legal

why dont governments legalise it and tax the crap out of it?


Guess a good starting point would be to look at the reasons why marajuana is illegal and to work with those for presenting a case why marajuana should be legal?

I did some searches and liked the article at the URL below for addressing the seven top reasons and how to argue for making marijuana illegal though the reasons:

Quote:
Why is Marijuana Illegal? Top 7 Reasons
By Tom Head, About.com

1. It is perceived as addictive.
Under the Controlled Substances Act of 1970, marijuana is classified as a Schedule I drug on the basis that is has "a high potential for abuse." What does this mean?

It means that the perception is that people get on marijuana, they get hooked and become "potheads," and it begins to dominate their lives. This unquestionably happens in some cases. But it also happens in the case of alcohol--and alcohol is perfectly legal.

In order to fight this argument for prohibition, legalization advocates need to make the argument that marijuana is not as addictive as government sources claim.

2. It has "no accepted medical use."
Marijuana seems to yield considerable medical benefits for many Americans with ailments ranging from glaucoma to cancer, but these benefits have not been accepted well enough, on a national level. Medical use of marijuana remains a serious national controversy.

In order to fight the argument that marijuana has no medical use, legalization advocates need to highlight the effects it has had on the lives of people who have used the drug for medical reasons.

3. It has been historically linked with narcotics, such as heroin.
The first piece of federal legislation to formally regulate marijuana was the Narcotics Act of 1914, which regulated heroin, cocaine, and marijuana. The only trouble is that cocaine and marijuana are not technically narcotics; the word "narcotic," when used in English, has historically referred to opium derivatives such as heroin and morphine.

But the association stuck, and there is a vast gulf in the American consciousness between "normal" recreational drugs, such as alcohol, caffeine, and nicotine, and "abnormal" recreational drugs, such as heroin, cocaine, and methamphetamine. Marijuana is generally associated with the latter category, which is why it can be convincingly portrayed as a "gateway drug."

4. It is associated with unfashionable lifestyles.
Marijuana is often thought of as a drug for hippies and losers. Since it's hard to feel enthusiastic about the prospects of enabling people to become hippies and losers, imposing criminal sanctions for marijuana possession functions as a form of communal "tough love."

5. It was once associated with oppressed ethnic groups.

The intense anti-marijuana movement of the 1930s dovetailed nicely with the intense anti-Chicano movement of the 1930s. Marijuana was associated with Mexican Americans, and a ban on marijuana was seen as a way of discouraging Mexican-American subcultures from developing.

Today, thanks in large part to the very public popularity of marijuana among whites during the 1960s and 1970s, marijuana is no longer seen as what one might call an ethnic drug--but the groundwork for the anti-marijuana movement was laid down at a time when marijuana was seen as an encroachment on the U.S. majority-white culture.

6. Inertia is a powerful force in public policy.
If something has been banned for only a short period of time, then the ban is seen as unstable. If something has been banned for a long time, however, then the ban--no matter how ill-conceived it might be--tends to go unenforced long before it is actually taken off the books.

Take the ban on sodomy, for example. It hasn't really been enforced in any serious way since the 18th century, but most states technically banned same-sex sexual intercourse until the Supreme Court ruled such bans unconstitutional in Lawrence v. Texas (2003).

People tend to be comfortable with the status quo--and the status quo, for nearly a century, has been a literal or de facto federal ban on marijuana.

7. Advocates for marijuana legalization rarely present an appealing case.
To hear some advocates of marijuana legalization say it, the drug cures diseases while it promotes creativity, open-mindedness, moral progression, and a closer relationship with God and/or the cosmos. That sounds incredibly foolish, particularly when the public image of a marijuana user is, again, that of a loser who risks arrest and imprisonment so that he or she can artificially invoke an endorphin release.

A much better argument for marijuana legalization, from my vantage point, would go more like this: "It makes some people happy, and it doesn't seem to be any more dangerous than alcohol. Do we really want to go around putting people in prison and destroying their lives over this?"

http://civilliberty.about.com/od/drugpolicy/tp/Why-is-Marijuana-Illegal.htm
evilgeniuself
To be honest, I would not like to see Marijuana legalized, other than the type used for medical purposes (the kind prescribed by a doctor, not the home remedy kind). To keep it simple, I'll just post 4 reasons (I'm not one who likes to take up much time, yet this is a really touchy subject with me):
1. It really doesn't matter whether or not it's addictive. All smoking is considered a health hazard, and for those who say "well, so is regular smoking, which in some ways is even worse", there are some cities in the US that do not allow that either. Also, THC -an active ingredient in marijuana- has been proven to have more dangerous effects on the brain and heart, even though a watered down medically altered version can help with eye stigmata and some cancers. To make this even clearer, unaltered marijuana has little to no health benefits and the medical kind does not have enough of the chemicals that get you high.
2.Selling and taxing marijuana would in no way help the economy. Even if they were selling an ounce for 50 cents it couldn't be effective enough to work. The fact that it cannot be regulated on a large enough scale (makes it too easy for the seeds to get away) really helps this factor, as this would prevent an effective supply to keep stores from being raided so that their customers can get some "Mary Jane". What's even worse about this is that a good amount of marijuana in circulation is laced with something else, which makes it far more dangerous and in no way could the popular laced kind be purchased in stores, which means that users could still prefer buying it illegally ("yes, I would like to see Misty and Mary Jane", for those who would like to see how a common deal concerning this would sound). Selling it legally would just mean that the meth lab would get a better business just by going to the convenient store.
3.Crime wouldn't budge an inch for quite some time. This is based more on history than on the effects of marijuana, although that will be mentioned. When the prohibition laws were lifted, and alcohol was legal again, bootleggers and underground clubs still acted on illegal basis for quite some time, usually because they refused to pay the taxes they didn't have to before. It takes time for people to switch from underhanded deals to trusting the store down the street. Also, if a person thinks that the only thing that destroys a person's life when dealing with marijuana, then they are horribly mistaken. Take this from a guy who's best friend was shot at the age of 10 (he lived, fortunately) because a guy couldn't get his "fix" and the boy was "in the way"(they guy actually had the nerve to say that). The fact that people like it is because it gets them high, and high people are not very rational. Now imagine everyone and their parents running around stoned, which, like the major increase in alcoholism after the prohibition, would most likely happen.
4. Who in the world would benefit from this? Seriously, other than people who don't want to go to prison for their own choices (no one's making you waste your money on marijuana, and since it's "not addictive" there's nothing compelling you to do it) and people shooting each other and the surrounding schoolchildren to get the best business, who would benefit from it?

There's plenty more I could say on the subject, yet that is my main opinion. I do agree that the political reasoning around the ban is unreasonable, and people shouldn't be punished as they are for marijuana (they should still go through rehabilitation), yet I do not ever want to see it legalized, sold in stores, or go unpunished.
Afaceinthematrix
sondosia wrote:
I don't see why marijuana needs to be legalized. Just because people can't control their own kids? That's a bad reason. Learn some better parenting skills.

I'm 17 and have never smoked a single joint or cigarette, or taken a single drink of alcohol outside of my parents' consent. If my parents hadn't emphasized early on that such things just aren't done in this family, PERIOD, things may have gone differently.

But who knows? They also instilled in me this wonderful ability called common sense. So even if they hadn't made sure that I'd never engage in any illegal or dangerous behavior by TELLING me not to, I probably wouldn't have anyway, because my parents taught me how to THINK. For myself. Not for my "friends" or "clique" or whatever the heck else other (stupid) teenagers do.

Just my thoughts on the matter.


Most people here aren't talking about mj being legalized because parents can't control their kids; most people are listing economic benefits to mj being legalized. I don't think there's any person out there who would argue that it would hurt the economy to legalize it. It would do wonders to the economy to legalize it. So this doesn't have to do with parenting skills, it has to do with the economy. Oh yeah, and it also has to do with crime because there would probably be far less crime (less gang funding, less crowded prisons which just makes room for real criminals) if mj would just be legalized.
miacps
evilgeniuself wrote:
1. It really doesn't matter whether or not it's addictive. All smoking is considered a health hazard, and for those who say "well, so is regular smoking, which in some ways is even worse", there are some cities in the US that do not allow that either.


There is evidence that marijuana has anti carcinogenic properties. This means that hypothetically, smoking cannabis is not as dangerous as smoking tobacco.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8812248

Furthermore, what's it matter if smoking is harmful or not? I am of the opinion that smoking cigarettes (along with marijuana if it were legal) should not be allowed in public places, but to try to deny someone something they like because it has negative health risks? Adults should be more than able to make up their own mind about whether or not the risks are worth the benefit. The government should not have the power to jail those who wish to consume a plant. It's ridiculous, no two ways about it!

evilgeniuself wrote:
Also, THC -an active ingredient in marijuana- has been proven to have more dangerous effects on the brain and heart, even though a watered down medically altered version can help with eye stigmata and some cancers.


Please provide some evidence for your claims, I've seen zero credible scientific research that has suggested this.

evilgeniuself wrote:
To make this even clearer, unaltered marijuana has little to no health benefits and the medical kind does not have enough of the chemicals that get you high.


1.) Unaltered marijuana when smoked can relieve pain.

2.) Marinol, marketed as a legal pharmaceutical alternative to natural cannabis can most certainly get you high AND is reported to be much more psychoactive.

http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6635

evilgeniuself wrote:
2.Selling and taxing marijuana would in no way help the economy. Even if they were selling an ounce for 50 cents it couldn't be effective enough to work. The fact that it cannot be regulated on a large enough scale (makes it too easy for the seeds to get away) really helps this factor, as this would prevent an effective supply to keep stores from being raided so that their customers can get some "Mary Jane".


I'll assume your mention of "seeds getting away" is intended to imply that others can simply grow their own supply. While it is true that SOME would be able to grow their own, not everyone is a master gardener. Half the people I know couldn't grow Bermuda grass to save their life.

Cultivation of marijuana is a lot more complicated then taking a little 6 inch pot, throwing in some soil and adding seeds and water. If you want an end product that is worth consuming you'd have to be a very able gardener and knowledgeable in not only the Cannabis life cycle, but also advanced fertilization techniques among other things.

Lets for a moment take a look at alcohol taxation vs home brewing. Home brewing is easy, can be done cheaper than buying your own beer, and doesn't require any fancy high powered fluorescent lights or a big sunny yard (as marijuana cultivation does); you can do it in kitchen and ferment it in any unused closet.

In theory, people would go the cheaper route and just brew their own, right? Well this just doesn't happen on a large scale. People would rather just go to the store and buy some cheap beer. But why when home brewing is a cheaper alternative?

1.) People are lazy and they call it a "Convenience store" for a reason.

2.) Not everyone is willing to educate themselves to the point that they'll be able to come up with an end product that is worth consumption.

3.) It takes time and effort.

I think all three points stand effectively with not only home brewing, but also marijuana cultivation.

Finally, some regulation is a hell of a lot better than no regulation regardless of taxation benefits.

evilgeniuself wrote:
What's even worse about this is that a good amount of marijuana in circulation is laced with something else, which makes it far more dangerous and in no way could the popular laced kind be purchased in stores, which means that users could still prefer buying it illegally ("yes, I would like to see Misty and Mary Jane", for those who would like to see how a common deal concerning this would sound). Selling it legally would just mean that the meth lab would get a better business just by going to the convenient store.


Wow, what have YOU been smoking? In no way is laced weed "the popular kind". User don't want coke or other chemicals when they're looking for weed, that's complete nonsense!

Laced weed is also a rarity. Why the hell would drug dealers lace weed when:

1.) Users don't want their weed laced with anything.

2.) It's MORE expensive for the drug dealers.

3.) They would f**k up their reputation with their buyers, NO ONE WANTS LACED WEED!

The only weed laced with other drugs that I've known about was done so by the user, not the dealer.

Weed laced with other cheap chemicals and cleaning products is also a reason AGAINST prohibition. Do you want citizens exposed to an increased danger (however minor of an occurrence) through laced marijuana?

evilgeniuself wrote:
3.Crime wouldn't budge an inch for quite some time. This is based more on history than on the effects of marijuana, although that will be mentioned. When the prohibition laws were lifted, and alcohol was legal again, bootleggers and underground clubs still acted on illegal basis for quite some time, usually because they refused to pay the taxes they didn't have to before. It takes time for people to switch from underhanded deals to trusting the store down the street.


So in other words, you're saying that if results can't be obtained immediately, it's not worth any effort? What kind of insane anti-progressive thinking is that? We're also not capable of intergalactic space travel at present, so lets just forget about working towards that goal. Your kind of thinking says just that; if it doesn't show immediate results, scratch it off the list of plausible.

evilgeniuself wrote:
Also, if a person thinks that the only thing that destroys a person's life when dealing with marijuana, then they are horribly mistaken. Take this from a guy who's best friend was shot at the age of 10 (he lived, fortunately) because a guy couldn't get his "fix" and the boy was "in the way"(they guy actually had the nerve to say that).


That's horrible, but it's very important to make a distinction here. This guy you speak of was obviously a psychopath, and doesn't in any way represent your average marijuana user. To think otherwise would be to say "Hitler was your average Christian". Rolling Eyes

evilgeniuself wrote:
The fact that people like it is because it gets them high, and high people are not very rational. Now imagine everyone and their parents running around stoned, which, like the major increase in alcoholism after the prohibition, would most likely happen.


You have a strange misunderstanding of what it is to be high on marijuana. I am confident that prohibition will NOT increase the amount of casual users in any substantial way. My reasoning for this can be posed in the following question: Would you or any current non user (for health or other reasons not relating to law) start smoking marijuana if it were legal? I know for a fact that if heroin, meth, or coke were legalized, I'd still stay far the hell away from them. Legalization has only very minimal effects on the amount of users.

evilgeniuself wrote:
4. Who in the world would benefit from this? Seriously, other than people who don't want to go to prison for their own choices (no one's making you waste your money on marijuana, and since it's "not addictive" there's nothing compelling you to do it) and people shooting each other and the surrounding schoolchildren to get the best business, who would benefit from it?


Yes, who would benefit from a reduction in non-violent drug users crowding jails, and reduced gang related crime? Oh, that's right, America would. Rolling Eyes

People don't do it because it's addictive, but because they get favorable benefits from use; much like sports, eating good food instead of junk food, hiking, enjoying nature, or anything else that qualifies as recreation.

evilgeniuself wrote:
There's plenty more I could say on the subject, yet that is my main opinion. I do agree that the political reasoning around the ban is unreasonable, and people shouldn't be punished as they are for marijuana (they should still go through rehabilitation), yet I do not ever want to see it legalized, sold in stores, or go unpunished.


I love that! You say "people shouldn't be punished as they are for marijuana", yet in the same sentence you explicitly say you "do not ever want to see it... go unpunished."! Oh, the absurdity of it all...

You, my friend, may be better suited to living in dictatorship, since it is clear that in your opinion the average working man can't be trusted to make his own decisions. Ponder that for a while.
Kyohtee
To be honest i have no clue as of what i last said..so i'll say something else.I think marijuana should be legal if most other drugs are, it isn't as bad.And i beleive that gangs would be much less lower populated.This forum gets many post..i like it.
deanhills
Kyohtee wrote:
To be honest i have no clue as of what i last said..so i'll say something else.I think marijuana should be legal if most other drugs are, it isn't as bad.And i beleive that gangs would be much less lower populated.This forum gets many post..i like it.


Why do you think gangs would be less populated? How would marijuana being legal make a difference?
PennStateengl
Marijuana: The New Penicillin?
The issues with marijuana being a medicine are as vast as the reasons that alcohol should be illegal. Although confessing that I was a “pot head” in the past, I have no need or desire to use marijuana in the future. Having said this, I, does not mean all inclusive. The debate of who needs medical marijuana falls into two categories, those who need it and those who think they need it. It is the users who think they need the drug that are holding the process back.
When I was in my hippie phase, I knew that I could not write well without being stoned. This often led me to have a mental block; this focused my brain on the desire to smoke pot to get into my genius. However, this mental block was something that I was creating myself. It was something that I learned later on in life after the parties and irresponsible behavior. What I was doing was basically making my mind run in place. After this fixation was alleviated, I hooked myself on another more stable and safe drug; Bob Dylan.
Current knowledge about marijuana’s effects derives from three main sources: Personal and historical accounts of its use, a limited number of clinical studies, and basic scientific research on Marijuana and its constituent compounds (Allison 13).
The initial use of marijuana, unknown to many is that its use can be traced to a hemp rope found in an archeological dig; this rope was dated back to 8000 B.C. The first discovery of marijuana as a medicine is credited to the 2700 B.C. Chinese emperor, Shen Nung. Emperor Shen Nung was also credited with discovering two other drugs; ephedrine and ginseng. He believed that marijuana was a cure-all discovery, attributing the plant’s psycho active chemicals to cure over 100 ailments. Other than usual suspects, marijuana was claimed to have healing powers with Gout, Rheumatism, Malaria, and Absent-mindedness.
In the past hundred years the medicine has been attributed with more modern diseases. Multiple sclerosis patients are often prescribed sedatives to help with their muscle spasticity. The sedatives are usually effective albeit high doses often encourage muscle weakness to a point that it causes harm. With a disease like MS, this situation can be very problematic. Marijuana has been clinically tested numerous times to relieve muscle spasticity and is very effective in treating the symptoms and also in relieving the debilitating pain associated with this progressive disease.
One of the more graven uses for medicinal Marijuana is in treating “wasting” syndrome in HIV/AIDS patients. A pseudonym, “wasting” syndrome is used to describe a clinical syndrome where a patient loses more than 10% percent of their body weight without a pertinent cause. This usually signifies that the disease is progressing. Other than the dangers of losing mass quantities of weight, this syndrome places immeasurable amounts of stress on the patient. Usually people with HIV/AIDS attribute the weight loss to themselves “wasting” away. Not only is Marijuana extremely effective in staving off the effects of wasting away, it also counter acts many of the unfavorable side effects of the protease inhibitor drugs that they are diagnosed with.
The most well known treatment that Marijuana is used for is in helping cancer patients. The reason that I write to my congressmen for the legalization of medicinal Marijuana is because of personal experience in the suffering of a loved one.
With cancer the patients often go through many stages and many different treatments. The most effective but also the most debilitating is chemotherapy. Chemotherapy, depending on the cancer, often makes the patient even sicker than the cancer that they are fighting. The reactions of this maniacal treatment are nausea and emesis, extreme fatigue, visceral pain, and usually very poor appetite. A large majority of cancer patients elect to stop chemotherapy because of the rampant side effects (BMA 21).
Cancer patients who have had the opportunity to use Marijuana as a treatment say that it suppresses nausea and emesis, relieves pain, stimulates appetite, and most importantly it soothes anxiety (Allison 13). Dronabinol is a synthetic form of THC used frequently in the UK and is licensed in the USA for specific patients. It is often given as an oral suspension. However, the drawback to oral Dronabinol is that patients often vomit before effect doses of the drug can be absorbed (BMA 21).
The negative aspect of legalizing medicinal marijuana is that it might send a bad message to our youth. When the worst criminals in the country get the death penalty they are injected with mood altering drugs to lessen the pain and to relax the convict. This in quintessence is what medicinal Marijuana is trying to do with people suffering from terminal illnesses. Why do we provide them less fair treatment than the criminals put to death? The real negative message we are sending is that we have no compassion. The following is my account of the suffering that we as a people should be ashamed of.
I recall with morbid detail the nights spent sitting with my girlfriend while she lay on the bathroom floor, sick for sometimes days at a time. The radiation marks on her body showing her impending death were like little kids pointing and laughing at my incapacity to help. With her type of cancer she didn’t often get nauseas. Nauseas as in our sense would be to vomit what we just consumed. Her “fits” of coughing would precede a horror show as she would spew blood from her mouth. The ghastly contrast on her sallow skin was all too much for me to handle. She eventually pushed me away to fight the beast by herself. Although marijuana can’t take her cancer away, it could make it more tolerable.
I believe that the most important aspect of knowledge and logical thinking is experience. Objectivity without knowledge or experience is like being led down an ambiguous road with no destination in sight. The point of my morose depiction is to give you insight into the unneeded suffering of someone. Every drug on the market has a very serious side effect. I believe the only pertinent side effect of Marijuana is misinterpretation.
Even though Marijuana is not a cure-all, it is sometimes a vehicle to greater peace. If you were to have to stumble down this avenue I hope that Marijuana is available to ease your path.


Work Cited
Mack, Allison, and Janet Joy. Marijuana As Medicine?: The Science Beyond The Controversy. Washington D.C. National Academy Press, 2001.

British Medical Association. Therapeutic Uses of Cannabis. Amsterdam. Harwood Academic Publishers, 1997.
evilgeniuself
miacps wrote:
evilgeniuself wrote:
1. It really doesn't matter whether or not it's addictive. All smoking is considered a health hazard, and for those who say "well, so is regular smoking, which in some ways is even worse", there are some cities in the US that do not allow that either.


There is evidence that marijuana has anti carcinogenic properties. This means that hypothetically, smoking cannabis is not as dangerous as smoking tobacco.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8812248

Furthermore, what's it matter if smoking is harmful or not? I am of the opinion that smoking cigarettes (along with marijuana if it were legal) should not be allowed in public places, but to try to deny someone something they like because it has negative health risks? Adults should be more than able to make up their own mind about whether or not the risks are worth the benefit. The government should not have the power to jail those who wish to consume a plant. It's ridiculous, no two ways about it!

evilgeniuself wrote:
Also, THC -an active ingredient in marijuana- has been proven to have more dangerous effects on the brain and heart, even though a watered down medically altered version can help with eye stigmata and some cancers.


Please provide some evidence for your claims, I've seen zero credible scientific research that has suggested this.

evilgeniuself wrote:
To make this even clearer, unaltered marijuana has little to no health benefits and the medical kind does not have enough of the chemicals that get you high.


1.) Unaltered marijuana when smoked can relieve pain.

2.) Marinol, marketed as a legal pharmaceutical alternative to natural cannabis can most certainly get you high AND is reported to be much more psychoactive.

http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6635

evilgeniuself wrote:
2.Selling and taxing marijuana would in no way help the economy. Even if they were selling an ounce for 50 cents it couldn't be effective enough to work. The fact that it cannot be regulated on a large enough scale (makes it too easy for the seeds to get away) really helps this factor, as this would prevent an effective supply to keep stores from being raided so that their customers can get some "Mary Jane".


I'll assume your mention of "seeds getting away" is intended to imply that others can simply grow their own supply. While it is true that SOME would be able to grow their own, not everyone is a master gardener. Half the people I know couldn't grow Bermuda grass to save their life.

Cultivation of marijuana is a lot more complicated then taking a little 6 inch pot, throwing in some soil and adding seeds and water. If you want an end product that is worth consuming you'd have to be a very able gardener and knowledgeable in not only the Cannabis life cycle, but also advanced fertilization techniques among other things.

Lets for a moment take a look at alcohol taxation vs home brewing. Home brewing is easy, can be done cheaper than buying your own beer, and doesn't require any fancy high powered fluorescent lights or a big sunny yard (as marijuana cultivation does); you can do it in kitchen and ferment it in any unused closet.

In theory, people would go the cheaper route and just brew their own, right? Well this just doesn't happen on a large scale. People would rather just go to the store and buy some cheap beer. But why when home brewing is a cheaper alternative?

1.) People are lazy and they call it a "Convenience store" for a reason.

2.) Not everyone is willing to educate themselves to the point that they'll be able to come up with an end product that is worth consumption.

3.) It takes time and effort.

I think all three points stand effectively with not only home brewing, but also marijuana cultivation.

Finally, some regulation is a hell of a lot better than no regulation regardless of taxation benefits.

evilgeniuself wrote:
What's even worse about this is that a good amount of marijuana in circulation is laced with something else, which makes it far more dangerous and in no way could the popular laced kind be purchased in stores, which means that users could still prefer buying it illegally ("yes, I would like to see Misty and Mary Jane", for those who would like to see how a common deal concerning this would sound). Selling it legally would just mean that the meth lab would get a better business just by going to the convenient store.


Wow, what have YOU been smoking? In no way is laced weed "the popular kind". User don't want coke or other chemicals when they're looking for weed, that's complete nonsense!

Laced weed is also a rarity. Why the hell would drug dealers lace weed when:

1.) Users don't want their weed laced with anything.

2.) It's MORE expensive for the drug dealers.

3.) They would f**k up their reputation with their buyers, NO ONE WANTS LACED WEED!

The only weed laced with other drugs that I've known about was done so by the user, not the dealer.

Weed laced with other cheap chemicals and cleaning products is also a reason AGAINST prohibition. Do you want citizens exposed to an increased danger (however minor of an occurrence) through laced marijuana?

evilgeniuself wrote:
3.Crime wouldn't budge an inch for quite some time. This is based more on history than on the effects of marijuana, although that will be mentioned. When the prohibition laws were lifted, and alcohol was legal again, bootleggers and underground clubs still acted on illegal basis for quite some time, usually because they refused to pay the taxes they didn't have to before. It takes time for people to switch from underhanded deals to trusting the store down the street.


So in other words, you're saying that if results can't be obtained immediately, it's not worth any effort? What kind of insane anti-progressive thinking is that? We're also not capable of intergalactic space travel at present, so lets just forget about working towards that goal. Your kind of thinking says just that; if it doesn't show immediate results, scratch it off the list of plausible.

evilgeniuself wrote:
Also, if a person thinks that the only thing that destroys a person's life when dealing with marijuana, then they are horribly mistaken. Take this from a guy who's best friend was shot at the age of 10 (he lived, fortunately) because a guy couldn't get his "fix" and the boy was "in the way"(they guy actually had the nerve to say that).


That's horrible, but it's very important to make a distinction here. This guy you speak of was obviously a psychopath, and doesn't in any way represent your average marijuana user. To think otherwise would be to say "Hitler was your average Christian". Rolling Eyes

evilgeniuself wrote:
The fact that people like it is because it gets them high, and high people are not very rational. Now imagine everyone and their parents running around stoned, which, like the major increase in alcoholism after the prohibition, would most likely happen.


You have a strange misunderstanding of what it is to be high on marijuana. I am confident that prohibition will NOT increase the amount of casual users in any substantial way. My reasoning for this can be posed in the following question: Would you or any current non user (for health or other reasons not relating to law) start smoking marijuana if it were legal? I know for a fact that if heroin, meth, or coke were legalized, I'd still stay far the hell away from them. Legalization has only very minimal effects on the amount of users.

evilgeniuself wrote:
4. Who in the world would benefit from this? Seriously, other than people who don't want to go to prison for their own choices (no one's making you waste your money on marijuana, and since it's "not addictive" there's nothing compelling you to do it) and people shooting each other and the surrounding schoolchildren to get the best business, who would benefit from it?


Yes, who would benefit from a reduction in non-violent drug users crowding jails, and reduced gang related crime? Oh, that's right, America would. Rolling Eyes

People don't do it because it's addictive, but because they get favorable benefits from use; much like sports, eating good food instead of junk food, hiking, enjoying nature, or anything else that qualifies as recreation.

evilgeniuself wrote:
There's plenty more I could say on the subject, yet that is my main opinion. I do agree that the political reasoning around the ban is unreasonable, and people shouldn't be punished as they are for marijuana (they should still go through rehabilitation), yet I do not ever want to see it legalized, sold in stores, or go unpunished.


I love that! You say "people shouldn't be punished as they are for marijuana", yet in the same sentence you explicitly say you "do not ever want to see it... go unpunished."! Oh, the absurdity of it all...

You, my friend, may be better suited to living in dictatorship, since it is clear that in your opinion the average working man can't be trusted to make his own decisions. Ponder that for a while.


First of all, if you are going to be rude enough to compare one of the worst situations of my life, caused by an obviously "non violent" drug user, to me calling all Christians Hitler, then I hope that you weren't trying to be serious. Second, I would like you to read the post you are responding to before calling it absurd (only saying this since you obviously felt like targeting me). When I said "they shouldn't be punished as they are", I did not mean that I was against punishment. That merely means that the punishment should be changed, although not specified on how. Third, and back on the non-violent topic, a large amount of drug related crime is merely to get drug money (see table three). Also, drug abuse of any kind is not a form of recreation, but of self loathing. If people are always in pain (physically or mentally), or they cannot be happy otherwise until they are high, then they obviously need to see a doctor instead of handling it on their own and get some real help. Still, if it is only harming, and a government can prevent people from hurting themselves by taking something away (and you can relate this to guns, which some cities already ban) that users have no need for, then why shouldn't they? Finally, for your last statement, I was not talking about the average working man, yet the average drug user (not the same demographic), and what they already have proven to be capable of. Please think before criticizing the person before the points of knowledge that the person presents, since it doesn't help the case and just hurts the person involved and it was rarely done. Good day.[/b]
miacps
evilgeniuself wrote:
First of all, if you are going to be rude enough to compare one of the worst situations of my life, caused by an obviously "non violent" drug user, to me calling all Christians Hitler, then I hope that you weren't trying to be serious.


I am completely serious. Your logic goes along these lines: "Person A commits violent crime. Person A uses marijuana. Therefor, all marijuana users will commit violent crime." It is the same exact way of thinking if someone was to say "Person A (Hitler) kills thousands. Person A (Hitler) is a Christian. Therefor, all Christians kill thousands." It doesn't make any sense. You're using weed as a scapegoat.

Here's an idea; Instead of blaming a non-sentient object (in this case a plant), blame the person! Unheard of, I know.

Here's a true story; years ago one child killed another over Pokemon cards. Using your logic, we should blame the cards. Does that make sense? Is it really too hard to blame the individual that commits the act?

evilgeniuself wrote:
Second, I would like you to read the post you are responding to before calling it absurd (only saying this since you obviously felt like targeting me).


I did and I found your opinion (the thing that I am "targeting", though I prefer the term "addressing") absurd. I gave many reasons why I think this. I believe all my thoughts on the matter were very reasonable.

evilgeniuself wrote:
When I said "they shouldn't be punished as they are", I did not mean that I was against punishment. That merely means that the punishment should be changed, although not specified on how.


My mistake then. I would, however, like to know exactly why you think an adult should be punished for smoking a plant.

evilgeniuself wrote:
Third, and back on the non-violent topic, a large amount of drug related crime is merely to get drug money (see table three).


It's not at all a surprise to me that some people turn to crime to obtain drug money. Many criminals obtain money in an illegal way so they can buy all sorts of things; Drugs, Food, Clothes, Electronics, Vehicles, Shoes, Diapers, etc. That is what makes them criminals. The table also shows me that the majority of offenses were not committed in order to get drug money. Finally, since the table doesn't indicate exactly what percentage of the criminals were trying to get money specifically for marijuana, all we can do is speculate. My personal speculation would be that the majority of that minority were after money for the hard, addictive drugs: Coke, Meth, Heroin and Alcohol.

evilgeniuself wrote:
Also, drug abuse of any kind is not a form of recreation, but of self loathing. If people are always in pain (physically or mentally), or they cannot be happy otherwise until they are high, then they obviously need to see a doctor instead of handling it on their own and get some real help.


I agree completely. It's my fault since in my reply I failed to mention that I was specifically speaking of Marijuana used in moderation. Drug abuse is not recreation.

evilgeniuself wrote:
Still, if it is only harming, and a government can prevent people from hurting themselves by taking something away (and you can relate this to guns, which some cities already ban) that users have no need for, then why shouldn't they?


Because the laws banning marijuana end up being more harmful than the alternative, which is regulation. Because the government should work for the people, not against the people. Because the government should protect rights instead of taking them away. People that are capable of responsible use end up incarcerated through a law that attempts to dictate what a free person may or may not consume! The majority of those jailed only for possession or personal use end up wasting away in a cell instead of contributing to our society as a free person. The law jailing non-violent marijuana users is NEEDLESSLY BURDENING OUR NATION.

That America would be a lot worse off with guns banned instead of regulated is also true. I could go into much greater detail on this, but I don't want to take this post off topic.

evilgeniuself wrote:
Finally, for your last statement, I was not talking about the average working man, yet the average drug user (not the same demographic), and what they already have proven to be capable of.


So what is the difference between the average working man and average drug user? It seems to me that you think anyone that gets off work after a long day, grabs a beer and relaxes is certainly in the demographic of "average working man". Yet, if he opts to relax with a joint instead of a beer, he is immediately stripped of his title of "average working man" and thrown into the much more sinister title of "average drug user" even though his marijuana use is a minuscule aspect of his life.

This certainly is what the law reflects, and as I have thoroughly pointed out before, it is 100% absurd.
hamza1122
I dont think it is a good idea because a lot of the injuries and fights that break out on the street are usually caused by people who have been inducing drugs such as marijuana. If it were legal, more people would have easy access to these prohibitied drugs which will result in a greater number of crimes and brawls that break out.

Since marijuana is prohibited less people are taking the risk of buying or selling illegal drugs and therefore keeping more people out of jail.

I think marijuana should not be made legal.
Josso
hamza1122 wrote:
I dont think it is a good idea because a lot of the injuries and fights that break out on the street are usually caused by people who have been inducing drugs such as marijuana. If it were legal, more people would have easy access to these prohibitied drugs which will result in a greater number of crimes and brawls that break out.


I think you'll find violence is generally caused by alcohol out on the street. Trust me, if green became the soft drug of choice there would probably be less violent crime - either that or there would be about the same amount. I don't know anyone (even naturally violently people) that would smoke green and feel more like having a fight, it's completely the opposite.

hamza1122 wrote:
Since marijuana is prohibited less people are taking the risk of buying or selling illegal drugs and therefore keeping more people out of jail.


I don't quite understand this, if it was legal no-one would be going to jail anyway.


By the way I don't actually support legalization due to economic and social impacts that I'm not going into I just think you should rethink your reasoning.
actionuns
In France everybody smokes, even the cops. I know some villages where there's marijuana plants on top of a police office...

But i don't, and i'm against usage of any kind of drugs. I don't wanna forbid it, i just mean it's useless cause you can get high in other ways.
isnawan
i think thats not gr8... it can't be legal at all
PatTheGreat42
Isn't this kinda moot for at least four years? Obama is not in favor of it, perhaps unfortunately.
Donutey
Possession shouldn't be illegal, or at most should warrant a fine. Though full on legalization would make the most money for government, since it could be taxed and such... Rolling Eyes
sw0277
I don't smoke marijuana myself but i do know people that do. These people go to work, have family's, and pay there bills just like you and I which show's you can smoke marijuana and still be responsible. But you also have the one's that get consumed in it and never do anything with there lives. The same can be said about the people that drink alcohol too. I'm really not sure but i don't believe it would be any worse than alcohol.
Zombie
Its very addicting and I've heard it can be bad for your health, so i think it should remain illegal
roxys_art
I don't see why marijuana is illegal when cigarettes and alcohol are legal. Can someone explain the difference please?
8166UY
That kind of drugs destroy your lungs 5 time faster and make chemoreceptors in your brains unsufficient. Smoking will be banned too in a small amount of time. Wink
Josso
Ok I want to revise my previous post by updating my statement a little...

I smoke a bit of the old green on occasion, this makes me biased in this thread probably. I'm not pro-legalization however. I think that the social and economic impacts would be bad and at the end of the day there are health consequences (on a similar level to alcohol) so it's probably best that it stays illegal.

roxys_art wrote:
I don't see why marijuana is illegal when cigarettes and alcohol are legal. Can someone explain the difference please?


Mainly due to cigarettes and alcohol having been established and taken widespread for a longer amount of time. If alcohol was discovered tomorrow it would be a Class A drug which was highly illegal. Also it's due to the fact that they have very low mental effects long-term. I mean LSD for example is not proven to harm your body in any way and isn't chemically addictive but it's illegal because of the psychological dangers. Green can turn your brain to mush long term, I'm sure alcohol can but the government makes too much money from it and it's not as bad really in terms of affecting concentration/learning/brain processes. Hope that's a sufficient explanation.

8166UY wrote:
That kind of drugs destroy your lungs 5 time faster and make chemoreceptors in your brains unsufficient. Smoking will be banned too in a small amount of time. Wink


Don't think there's much evidence for the lungs thing, although the second may be true I don't know. Doubt smoking (if your referring to tobacco) will be banned or illegalized any time soon. Can you imagine the black market? Also the government makes too much money from it.

Zombie wrote:
Its very addicting and I've heard it can be bad for your health, so i think it should remain illegal


The chemical addictiveness is debatable but I agree with you.

Donutey wrote:
Possession shouldn't be illegal, or at most should warrant a fine. Though full on legalization would make the most money for government, since it could be taxed and such... Rolling Eyes


It would indeed - green would most certainly become the soft drug of choice (as I pointed out earlier) and due to taxation the government would make a fair bit of money but then subsequently loose out on alcohol sales I would imagine. I think possession shouldn't be come down on so hard (especially in the US), over here realistically you get a slap around the wrist and a fine on most occasions but it can be more serious depending on the amount. It doesn't link to violent crime at all apart from occasionally the dealing side of it tends to get a bit nasty (one point that could be used in pro-legalization). I think fines at all times are probably the correct way to deal with possession - this is relevant to the US more than the UK I think.
miacps
Josso wrote:
Ok I want to revise my previous post by updating my statement a little...

I smoke a bit of the old green on occasion, this makes me biased in this thread probably. I'm not pro-legalization however. I think that the social and economic impacts would be bad and at the end of the day there are health consequences (on a similar level to alcohol) so it's probably best that it stays illegal.


The health consequences are definitely not on par with alcohol. Alcohol abuse can cause liver damage/failure, brain damage and a handful of other medical problems.

On the other hand, marijuana abuse over a period of 20 years can, at most, cause some of the things described in this article: http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN02271474 *

It is also well known that alcohol contains toxins while marijuana have none.

Josso wrote:
Also it's due to the fact that they (alcohol & nicotene) have very low mental effects long-term.


If you're referring to alcohol used long-term in moderation, then weed is no different.

Josso wrote:
I mean LSD for example is not proven to harm your body in any way and isn't chemically addictive but it's illegal because of the psychological dangers. Green can turn your brain to mush long term, I'm sure alcohol can but the government makes too much money from it and it's not as bad really in terms of affecting concentration/learning/brain processes. Hope that's a sufficient explanation.


Your comparison of alcohol and marijuana are pretty bad. Alcohol is hands down worse on the brain than marijuana. Toxic compound flowing over the cerebral cortex vs a non-toxic receptor target-er.

Josso wrote:
Donutey wrote:
Possession shouldn't be illegal, or at most should warrant a fine. Though full on legalization would make the most money for government, since it could be taxed and such... Rolling Eyes


It would indeed - green would most certainly become the soft drug of choice (as I pointed out earlier) and due to taxation the government would make a fair bit of money but then subsequently loose out on alcohol sales I would imagine. I think possession shouldn't be come down on so hard (especially in the US), over here realistically you get a slap around the wrist and a fine on most occasions but it can be more serious depending on the amount. It doesn't link to violent crime at all apart from occasionally the dealing side of it tends to get a bit nasty (one point that could be used in pro-legalization). I think fines at all times are probably the correct way to deal with possession - this is relevant to the US more than the UK I think.


I still don't think adults should be fined for smoking plants, especially since marijuana use doesn't link to violent crime. I find it a waste of my tax money, a waste of an economic resource and plain unfair to users.

*I think the results of the article I linked to are questionable. How are they so sure that marijuana did indeed cause a size change in the hippocampus and amygdala? I've never heard of any chemical causing brain parts to shrink, much less one that only targets specific receptors, and it seems more likely to me that these heavy users were born with a smaller hippocampus and amygdala. It would make sense to me if the results reflected that people with smaller hippocampus and amygdala were just more likely to abuse a substance (especially considering exactly what these two brain parts regulate).
flyfamilyguy
counselr10 wrote:
I am a drug/alcohol counselor and many teens have told me if pot were legal there would be very few gang problems, kids in jail, and most of societies ills will be gone, except maybe for the few that get addicted. What do you think? I have arguements either way.


IMHO, Pot is the LEAST of society's problems!
seannie
I hate the smell of pot. Especially when people around me starts smoking it, and they cough their lungs out. I hope they cough to death.
Whether it's legalize or not, they will still always have ways to get pot, the only difference is you won't be seeing them smoking in public.
So IMO, pot should still be illegal.
paul_indo
The legal consequences of illegal pot are far worse than any of the consequences of legaliseing it.
deanhills
paul_indo wrote:
The legal consequences of illegal pot are far worse than any of the consequences of legaliseing it.


What would the legal consequences be for having pot in Indonesia? Can you ever imagine it being legalized? Smile
jessicawalker
Marijuana can't be legal until they find an efficient way to test for it on the spot. Like a breathalyzer, you know.
Afaceinthematrix
jessicawalker wrote:
Marijuana can't be legal until they find an efficient way to test for it on the spot. Like a breathalyzer, you know.


Oh that's easy. Tell the suspect a completely unfunny joke. If the suspects laughs, they're high.
deanhills
Afaceinthematrix wrote:
jessicawalker wrote:
Marijuana can't be legal until they find an efficient way to test for it on the spot. Like a breathalyzer, you know.


Oh that's easy. Tell the suspect a completely unfunny joke. If the suspects laughs, they're high.
Laughing Good one! You should patent it. I think the smell of it is a dead give away. Even before I knew what it was, I once asked at a party what that terrible smell was about, and that was it. Still can't understand the attraction to it. Some of my friends particularly liked the cookie version of it. Probably was much easier to ingest and more enjoyable.
miacps
deanhills wrote:
paul_indo wrote:
The legal consequences of illegal pot are far worse than any of the consequences of legaliseing it.


What would the legal consequences be for having pot in Indonesia? Can you ever imagine it being legalized? Smile


The drug laws are particularly scary over there. Can you imagine getting put to death over dried plant material? Sad...

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/11/01/1099262780975.html?from=storylhs
roxys_art
Josso wrote:
Mainly due to cigarettes and alcohol having been established and taken widespread for a longer amount of time. If alcohol was discovered tomorrow it would be a Class A drug which was highly illegal.


This does not qualify as a legit reason. The use of marijuana became illegal in most parts of the world during the early 20th century. Hmm, now I'm trying to think what other drug became illegal during the early 20th century.

Obviously I'm talking about Prohibition which took place in the 1920s and into the early 1930s. So, to say that alcohol was more widespread than marijuana is false. Both seemed to catch a high (no pun intended) during the early 20th century.

Josso wrote:
Also it's due to the fact that they have very low mental effects long-term.


Alcohol has lower mental effects long-term than alcohol? Really? So, killing your brain cells by drinking doesn't do anything to your brain in the long-term? That's very, very interesting.

Josso wrote:
Green can turn your brain to mush long term, I'm sure alcohol can


You just contradicted yourself. In the quote above you said, "due to the fact that they have very low mental effects long-term" and then you just stated, "I'm sure alcohol can". I don't really know what to think about your stance and what you believe alcohol does to someone's brain in the long-term.

Josso wrote:
...but the government makes too much money from it and it's not as bad really in terms of affecting concentration/learning/brain processes.


Government makes too much money from alcohol? Yeah, they do make quite a bit on alcohol. However, Cannabis is the largest cash crop in the United stated, generating an estimated $36 billion market, I don't see how money could be a part of the argument. You don't think the government would cash in on this HUGE market? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(drug)#History)

Josso wrote:
Hope that's a sufficient explanation


It's not.

Bottom-line: if I do not harm any other living thing, what business is it of yours, my neighbor, the government, or anyone else what I put into my body?

Correct answer: none of their business.
Ghost900
I hope that marijuana stays illegal as many more people would abuse it and it would add one more thing that ruins the mind.

Some of you talked about smoking possibly becoming illegal soon but since the Government has a cigarette tax as well as a liquor tax I doubt they will drop either of them.

The Government isn't going to allow other drugs to become Legal so they can make more money, unless it gets really corrupt, which may happen.

roxys_art wrote:

Bottom-line: if I do not harm any other living thing, what business is it of yours, my neighbor, the government, or anyone else what I put into my body?

Correct answer: none of their business.


Its actually funny how much the law makes us protect ourselves. Very Happy

If you are driving drunk you are endangering others and should get a fine, but in Minnesota you can get a ticket for not wearing a seat belt. Not wearing a seat belt doesn't endanger anybody except yourself but they still enforce it and fine you.
Josso
roxys_art wrote:
<various bullshit>


I agree with your conclusion and overall opinion but you've just misinterpreted what I said, however accurate the alcohol comparison may be.

miacps wrote:
I still don't think adults should be fined for smoking plants, especially since marijuana use doesn't link to violent crime. I find it a waste of my tax money, a waste of an economic resource and plain unfair to users.


I agree but legalization won't happen and fines are a much more realistic way to compromise between the anti-weed and pro-weed people.
kojakos
i say yes! it is less dangerous then alcohol so why not Twisted Evil
miacps
Josso wrote:
miacps wrote:
I still don't think adults should be fined for smoking plants, especially since marijuana use doesn't link to violent crime. I find it a waste of my tax money, a waste of an economic resource and plain unfair to users.


I agree but legalization won't happen and fines are a much more realistic way to compromise between the anti-weed and pro-weed people.


A compromise shouldn't have to be made. What's good for the anti-prohibitionists is just as good for the prohibitionists. The prohibitionists just fail to see that the vast majority of problems caused by marijuana are directly linked to laws banning the plant.

Fines aren't a good compromise because they do nothing to stop all the money going to criminals, gangs and the black market.

Realistically, there are only two ways this problem can be addressed.

Solution #1

The first way is to legalize marijuana and place strict regulations on it's use while making permits available to businesses that wish to grow and sell the product.

Solution #2

The second and only other way to address the black market issue is for us to give away all our human rights. If we surrender our freedoms to law enforcement, they can effectively stamp out everyone and everything that has to do with cannabis, eventually making the plant extinct.


Now I'm sure everyone can see the huge problems with solution #2. I would rather die than give up any of my human rights. Solution #2 would completely destroy the free world.

So that basically leaves us with solution #1 as the only viable way to deal with the problems surrounding weed's contributions to crminal, gang and black market funding.
8166UY
Josso wrote:
8166UY wrote:
That kind of drugs destroy your lungs 5 time faster and make chemoreceptors in your brains unsufficient. Smoking will be banned too in a small amount of time. Wink


Don't think there's much evidence for the lungs thing, although the second may be true I don't know. Doubt smoking (if your referring to tobacco) will be banned or illegalized any time soon. Can you imagine the black market? Also the government makes too much money from it.



I study medicine at the university of Rotterdam and I can assure you it are both solid facts. We even had a patient talking about it occured to him. He was 47 and had 7% of his lungs left. The poor guy had a life expectancy of 5 months. The doctors told him to keep on smoking pod to make the suffering a bit less.
Solon_Poledourus
This is a tricky subject, socially speaking. Especially if you live in the States, where our Draconian drug laws have put millions of people in prison for extended periods, over what many would argue, are minor offenses.

For 3,000 or so years, the plant was arguably the most useful and important plant in the world. Every ships sail and ropes, as well as the clothes most people wore, were made ov hemp. In fact, the first known woven fabric was hemp And until 1883 75%-90% of all paper in the world was made of hemp. Including bibles. The word canvas comes from the root word of canibus, which is one of the oldest root words in any human language. Hemp seed oil was used for food, medicine, and lamp oil(it burns brighter and cleaner than kerosine). The marijuana plant was the first farmed plant that people realised had two distinct sexes, as well as a hermaphroditic aspect. Meaning it could pollinate itself.

Of course, I suppose the question was aimed at the smokeable aspect of the plant. Since I don't want to be too long winded, a good resource for this would be The Emperor Wears no Clothes. It's an interesting read, and he's done his research. The historical use, potential modern use, and the reasons we have such a stigma about using it(for manufacturing or smoking) are all in there.

Check it out.
ptfrances
I think it should be legal because alcohol is a drug as dangerous as marijuana and it's more than legal.

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Solon_Poledourus
To clarify my last post, as I didn't actually say one way or another; I do think it should be legal. I truly believe the only crime being committed, where marijuana is concerned, is the illegalization of it.

The thing is, the US-led so-called "War on Drugs" is a sham. These governments don't want drugs illegalized, they just dont want you using drugs unless they manufacture them. The biggest drug dealer in the States is the FDA, and they sell more harmful s**t to people than anyone. They have meds for depression that have side effects ranging from stomache bleeding, nosebleeds, dizziness, uncontrollable bowel movements, vomiting, depression(yes, from an anti-depressant, i've seen it), etc. Oh yeah, not to mention DEATH.

They pay labratories billions of dollars a year to manufacture these drugs, knowing that they are no better for you than what they are supposedly curing, and yet they stand there straight-faced, telling us how bad marijuana is for us.

And where crime is concerned, here is the scoop:
If there is a market for something, and you outlaw it, you actually create more crime. This is a fact. America, of all places, should know this better than most. Due to Prohibition, or the Noble Experiment, from 1919 to 1933, the government actually helped create a huge network of organized crime in America.

This war on personal freedom must stop.
roxys_art
Solon_Poledourus wrote:
To clarify my last post, as I didn't actually say one way or another; I do think it should be legal. I truly believe the only crime being committed, where marijuana is concerned, is the illegalization of it.

The thing is, the US-led so-called "War on Drugs" is a sham. These governments don't want drugs illegalized, they just dont want you using drugs unless they manufacture them. The biggest drug dealer in the States is the FDA, and they sell more harmful s**t to people than anyone. They have meds for depression that have side effects ranging from stomache bleeding, nosebleeds, dizziness, uncontrollable bowel movements, vomiting, depression(yes, from an anti-depressant, i've seen it), etc. Oh yeah, not to mention DEATH.

They pay labratories billions of dollars a year to manufacture these drugs, knowing that they are no better for you than what they are supposedly curing, and yet they stand there straight-faced, telling us how bad marijuana is for us.

And where crime is concerned, here is the scoop:
If there is a market for something, and you outlaw it, you actually create more crime. This is a fact. America, of all places, should know this better than most. Due to Prohibition, or the Noble Experiment, from 1919 to 1933, the government actually helped create a huge network of organized crime in America.

This war on personal freedom must stop.


Agreed. As you pointed out - and as I pointed out earlier - the whole Prohibition did wonders for the underground brewing of alcohol. However, I look at cigarettes and wonder what the hell is going on. Cigarettes - which have been proven to cause lung cancer, heart disease, and other things - are somehow legal.

My point is this. If the government was SO concerned about our health like they say they are, then tobacco, cigs, and alcohol would all be illegal. They are not. Why? Because the government is make huge money by taxing the hell out of them. They aren't concerned with our health, they are concerned about the fact that they do not know how to properly distribute and tax it. Therefore, if they can't do it and get the money, then they don't want anyone to.
Heretic45
It should be legal because there are a lot worse things out there!! but at the same time it could be illegal because people use it for other things besides medical issues!
shrykull
I agree with authorities that drugs such as marichuana should be banned from usage. I have talked to people that used it and they say that this drug is not harmful but regular and long term usage of it makes one stupid and lazy. Thay say that marihuana affects frontal lobe of the brain is somehow influenced and this part of the brain is responsible for logic thinking and emotional reactions. So if you take marihuana you stop developing emotionally and don't make regress in logical thinking. All in all it is good that marihuana is illegal for if it was legall our societies would not be mature nor productive.

Regards,
Shrykull
Solon_Poledourus
shrykull wrote:
I have talked to people that used it and they say that this drug is not harmful but regular and long term usage of it makes one stupid and lazy.

I know plenty of people that smoke it and are not lazy or stupid. Anecdotal evidence is worth exactly nothing anyway.
shrykull wrote:
Thay say that marihuana affects frontal lobe of the brain is somehow influenced and this part of the brain is responsible for logic thinking and emotional reactions. So if you take marihuana you stop developing emotionally and don't make regress in logical thinking.

"They say"? How about some evidence? Marijuana has short term and long term effects, none of which stunt your emotional growth or ability to think logically. Mostly, it changes the activity of nerve cells containing dopamine. But all drugs do this either directly or indirectly.
shrykull wrote:
All in all it is good that marihuana is illegal for if it was legall our societies would not be mature nor productive.

First, you are assuming that every person in society would be smoking marijuana if it was legal. That's a ridiculous assumption. Secondly, you are just wrong about the effects.
andredesignz
hell yea..... i would love to see and hear that.. alot of Jamaican RAstas would love to have this freedom Very Happy
kody
Definitely.

It would be a huge cash cow for the government
kody
Because of taxes I mean...
flytye4life
I don't see any benefit socially but if legalizing it will help benefit our country financially I am all for it. It could help reduce the deficit by taxation and reduce the burden on the tax payers who pay for these non-violent criminals to be incarcerated.
stel4e
I don't think it should be treated like drug, but I also don't agree to sell marijuana in stores ... maybe just in special caffes where people can smoke with friends Wink
kody
stel4e wrote:
I don't think it should be treated like drug, but I also don't agree to sell marijuana in stores ... maybe just in special caffes where people can smoke with friends Wink


Like alcohol...
MasterPK
I honestly couldnt care less.Drugs are Drugs, wether they are medications or just..."bad" drugs to get you high and whatnot.I've never done Drugs, and I never will.But I will say if Marijuana was legal, there would be fewer Gang affliations.And for whoever said it was legal up until 1937, im not entirely sure that's true, but I don't really know. Confused If it was sold in stores though(which it still is in some places that are sly),some of the gangs(Hoover Criminals. Bloods,etc.)would be alot less poor, because of the high demand for it would be gone.(I might be getting this confused with cocain, but as far as i know they are both big buck makers.) Rolling Eyes
MasterPK
shrykull wrote:
I agree with authorities that drugs such as marichuana should be banned from usage. I have talked to people that used it and they say that this drug is not harmful but regular and long term usage of it makes one stupid and lazy. Thay say that marihuana affects frontal lobe of the brain is somehow influenced and this part of the brain is responsible for logic thinking and emotional reactions. So if you take marihuana you stop developing emotionally and don't make regress in logical thinking. All in all it is good that marihuana is illegal for if it was legall our societies would not be mature nor productive.

Regards,
Shrykull
I won't offend you by your spelling mistakes, but I'll help you out in your post.Yes, long term usage of Marijuana can kill brain cells, but it does not make one "stupid and lazy", it just makes them not care about much anymore.After quitting, although, one will regain his/her...hmm i don't know how to put it so I'll say "enjoyment" in life.You're right about it affecting Emotional actions though, as after one uses Marijuana, they may think they are useless, have no point in life, their parents don't care about them, ETC.But you were wrong when you said "So if you take Marijauan you stop developing emotionally", because you actually gain more emotional experiences.And finally you say, "our societes would not be mature or productive." I don't understand this one.I remeber back in D.A.R.E(a program against drugs), records show that only 21% of people use Marijuana in the past 6 months.So again, explain to me how our societies would be immature and non-productive.
samjog
if it were up to me, i would ban all those drugs and alcohol. But if emotions aside... everyone can choose, its free will. We have a right to self destruction and we have a right to be happy.
Tuvitor
Marijuana should be legal for anybody over the age of 21 to purchase and use, legal for regulated dealers to sell (taxed with quality control) at licensed liquor stores and pharmacies, and legal for anybody to grow (subject to local zoning laws at worst).
PatTheGreat42
I think alcohol and cigarrettes kill people and ruin lives, as could marijuna if legalized, or if not legalized. At least if it were legalized we'd be able to tax it.
deanhills
PatTheGreat42 wrote:
I think alcohol and cigarrettes kill people and ruin lives, as could marijuna if legalized, or if not legalized. At least if it were legalized we'd be able to tax it.
The bottomline for me is that most people look at marijuana as the equivalent of "forbidden fruit", so it is very likely that it will be abused once legalized.
Solon_Poledourus
deanhills wrote:
The bottomline for me is that most people look at marijuana as the equivalent of "forbidden fruit", so it is very likely that it will be abused once legalized.

The problem with making these "forbidden fruit" substances illegal in the is that we end up with situations like we had back in the early 20th century with prohibition. The illegalization of alcohol was the single biggest factor in turning small criminal organizations into things like the Mafia in New York and the Outfit in Chicago.
As Abraham Lincoln once said:
"Prohibition . . . goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes . . . A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded."
Humans will always crave the intoxicants of drink and drug. To legislate the denial of this upon another person is to take away the most personal of freedoms.
kody
samjog wrote:
if it were up to me, i would ban all those drugs and alcohol. But if emotions aside... everyone can choose, its free will. We have a right to self destruction and we have a right to be happy.


What good would a ban do? You would like to encourage a black market?
kody
deanhills wrote:
PatTheGreat42 wrote:
I think alcohol and cigarrettes kill people and ruin lives, as could marijuna if legalized, or if not legalized. At least if it were legalized we'd be able to tax it.
The bottomline for me is that most people look at marijuana as the equivalent of "forbidden fruit", so it is very likely that it will be abused once legalized.


Alcohol gets abused as well. Should we eliminate the "forbidden fruit" tag and remove all age restrictions on controlled substances as well?

Hell, should we just make all medical drugs available on a store shelf too so nobody abuses pain killers?
kody
Solon_Poledourus wrote:
deanhills wrote:
The bottomline for me is that most people look at marijuana as the equivalent of "forbidden fruit", so it is very likely that it will be abused once legalized.

The problem with making these "forbidden fruit" substances illegal in the is that we end up with situations like we had back in the early 20th century with prohibition. The illegalization of alcohol was the single biggest factor in turning small criminal organizations into things like the Mafia in New York and the Outfit in Chicago.
As Abraham Lincoln once said:
"Prohibition . . . goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes . . . A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded."
Humans will always crave the intoxicants of drink and drug. To legislate the denial of this upon another person is to take away the most personal of freedoms.


EXACTLY. I live in Vancouver, BC, and we have huge gang problems because pot is NOT legal, so it goes underground. This is a multi-billion dollar underground business! May as well make it government controlled and tax the hell out of it.
Solon_Poledourus
kody wrote:
EXACTLY. I live in Vancouver, BC, and we have huge gang problems because pot is NOT legal, so it goes underground. This is a multi-billion dollar underground business! May as well make it government controlled and tax the hell out of it.
There are more benefits than pitfalls to the legalization of canibus. When governments wake up and realize this, we will all live in a better place.
Check out this New York Times article.
The Guvernator wrote:
“I think it’s time for a debate,” he said. “I think all of those ideas of creating extra revenues; I’m always for an open debate on it. And I think we ought to study very carefully what other countries are doing that have legalized marijuana and other drugs. What effect did it have on those countries?”
Of course, most of us know that Ahnuld smoked weed back in the day(there's a very infamous video of a young Ahnuld toking). But I still think it's very mature and realistic of him to take this issue of legalization seriously. Canibus has an unfair stigma attached to it. People seem to think that because it's illegal, it must be bad. The same people blindly accept the FDA's approval of prescription drugs which have side effects that are much worse. This "war on drugs" is just the government reacting to a viable, profitable commodity, from which they can't get 100% of the profit.
It's marketplace fascism: they can't own the rights to all of it, so they deny our rights to any of it.
kody
Solon_Poledourus wrote:
kody wrote:
EXACTLY. I live in Vancouver, BC, and we have huge gang problems because pot is NOT legal, so it goes underground. This is a multi-billion dollar underground business! May as well make it government controlled and tax the hell out of it.
There are more benefits than pitfalls to the legalization of canibus. When governments wake up and realize this, we will all live in a better place.
Check out this New York Times article.
The Guvernator wrote:
“I think it’s time for a debate,” he said. “I think all of those ideas of creating extra revenues; I’m always for an open debate on it. And I think we ought to study very carefully what other countries are doing that have legalized marijuana and other drugs. What effect did it have on those countries?”
Of course, most of us know that Ahnuld smoked weed back in the day(there's a very infamous video of a young Ahnuld toking). But I still think it's very mature and realistic of him to take this issue of legalization seriously. Canibus has an unfair stigma attached to it. People seem to think that because it's illegal, it must be bad. The same people blindly accept the FDA's approval of prescription drugs which have side effects that are much worse. This "war on drugs" is just the government reacting to a viable, profitable commodity, from which they can't get 100% of the profit.
It's marketplace fascism: they can't own the rights to all of it, so they deny our rights to any of it.



LOL! Awesome video! Ahhhhnold is Numero Uno...
shkumbin
I believe that marihuana should be used only for medical reasons, to ease the pain to calm sick patiens or to sleep better, but I am against legalizing marihuna, I know its not a hard drug but it is a way towards harder and more destructive drugs, but on the other side everyboy is doing it so i dont know....
SyHz
it should absolutly be illegal...
Solon_Poledourus
SyHz wrote:
it should absolutly be illegal...

Do you have any reasons for this? Any thoughts on the matter? 5 words to get fri$ is kinda lame in my opinion. An explanation/information/reasoning to go with your statement is kind of what these threads are for.
RipperGOD
LOL no It shouldn't be! You want most of the world's population stonned or what?
kody
RipperGOD wrote:
LOL no It shouldn't be! You want most of the world's population stonned or what?


Is "most" of the world's population currently drunk because of legal alcohol?
kody
Solon_Poledourus wrote:
SyHz wrote:
it should absolutly be illegal...

Do you have any reasons for this? Any thoughts on the matter? 5 words to get fri$ is kinda lame in my opinion. An explanation/information/reasoning to go with your statement is kind of what these threads are for.


Totally lame. Wish there was a "smite" button for user's karma...
Solon_Poledourus
RipperGOD wrote:
LOL no It shouldn't be! You want most of the world's population stonned or what?
The fact that canibus gets people "stonned" is not the reason it's illegal.

Which brings up an interesting question(I know the answer, so I just want to see if others do as well).
There are a good number of people who came on this thread and simply said "yes, it should be illegal". I would like to know if any of the people who say it should be illegal, actually know why it's illegal in the first place. I'll give you a hint: The laws passed to illegalize canibus have nothing at all to do with getting high, and were not based on any scientific or medical research.

The story of this misunderstood plant is much, much more interesting and dramatic than that.
Not only was canibus legal until early in the 20th century, but it was a requirement for many very important things, such as textiles, clothing, ships sails, rope, paper, medicine, lamp oil, etc. The list goes on and on.
Although California passed the first law regarding marijuana in 1913, it didn't really take. In 1915 Wyoming specifically outlawed marijuana, and other states soon fell in line. But why? Not a single doctor, scientist, or botanist came forward to testify to the harmful effects of this innocuous little plant.
So ask yourself; who stood to benefit from the illegalization of a plant which, until 1913-ish, was seen by the entire world as a versatile substance from which many uses could be had? Who was using marijuana most often at the time? Who would gain from these groups of users being turned into criminals?
I find it very interesting that people are so accepting of laws which are baseless. A century of propoganda and lies have completely brainwashed entire generations of people into thinking something is bad, without giving any reasons why. Sure, we can argue that marijuana smoking has harmful long term side effects. But so does eating sausage.
Satan will be sh*tting snowflakes before they take my sausage away. Why have they taken my canibus?
kody
Quote:
Sure, we can argue that marijuana smoking has harmful long term side effects. But so does eating sausage.
Satan will be sh*tting snowflakes before they take my sausage away. Why have they taken my canibus?


LOL! This is probably the most amazing quote I've ever read. Well done, sir!

I'm also looking forward to the answer to your question though. I have an idea that I've heard before, but cannot recall all the details.
Solon_Poledourus
kody wrote:
LOL! This is probably the most amazing quote I've ever read. Well done, sir!
Funny part is, I was eating sausage when I wrote it. Got a bit of mustard on the keys.
kody wrote:
I'm also looking forward to the answer to your question though. I have an idea that I've heard before, but cannot recall all the details.
I figure if nobody answers by tomorrow, I'll make a great big long post about the history and the prejudice of the canibus plant.
emonbd
we are human. and human life is too short to feel perfectly enough during this short time. i think barriers for this sort of legal or illegal things (like marijuana or alcohol) should be desolved anyway. we have enough conciouses to think what is right or wrong for us. human consider barriers as to be broken from so long.
dakotanurse
in reply to pat about marijuana being a gateway drug. It is not marijuana that is the gateway drug, it is TOBACCO that is the gateway drug. Why do people not realize that nicotine and alcohol are DRUGS and when we have 10 and 12 year old kids drinking and smoking they are easily on the path to harder drugs. The research has proven that smoking pot and driving is far less dangerous than drinking even one drink and driving and how many people are out there driving under the influence of their "legal" prescription medications!!!! It blows my mind that the medical profession will let people practice even though they have to take pain medications to make it through their shift when in all truthfulness, they shouldn't even have been driving to work because it is illegal to drive while under the influence! Pot should never have been made illegal. It was only done so in a political battle with the states. Quit being ignorant and do some research before you say (without ever even having tried it) that it is a terrible drug and leads to all of the worlds drug problems.
Solon_Poledourus
dakotanurse wrote:
Pot should never have been made illegal. It was only done so in a political battle with the states
In short, that's correct. It's a much more complex story though, filled with racism, corporate bullying and monopolizing, immigration, and many other factors. The very same thing was done with alcohol, but without corporate sponsorship. With canibus, they made movies about how bad it was, the same was done with alcohol. Politicians tiraded about how only poor people and mexicans smoked marijuana, they said very similar things about alcohol. The similarities between the treatment of canibus and alcohol pertaining to their illegalization are staggering. So why did we force the government to give us back our booze? Why did the American public react so violently to prohibition, but not to the illegalization of canibus, which is a much more useful substance?
kody
Solon_Poledourus wrote:
dakotanurse wrote:
Pot should never have been made illegal. It was only done so in a political battle with the states
In short, that's correct. It's a much more complex story though, filled with racism, corporate bullying and monopolizing, immigration, and many other factors. The very same thing was done with alcohol, but without corporate sponsorship. With canibus, they made movies about how bad it was, the same was done with alcohol. Politicians tiraded about how only poor people and mexicans smoked marijuana, they said very similar things about alcohol. The similarities between the treatment of canibus and alcohol pertaining to their illegalization are staggering. So why did we force the government to give us back our booze? Why did the American public react so violently to prohibition, but not to the illegalization of canibus, which is a much more useful substance?


What about the rest of the world? Why is Mary Jane banned all over Europe as well?
Solon_Poledourus
kody wrote:
What about the rest of the world? Why is Mary Jane banned all over Europe as well?
Because other nations tend to follow Americas' lead when it comes to drug laws.
Melacos
To me it makes sense making it legal I guess... Maybe somekind of institutionalized legalisation, where you'd be able to smoke/whatever the marihuana in a more or less controlled environment. Ex in Holland this is practiced to some extent, and the 'coffee shops' have in fact brought down the general use of marihuana in the country as a whole. If prices could be held low, this I think could help take away the 'drug' from the streets..
skygaia
well.... its's the one of the controversial issues here. And there have been lots of time to discuss that issue here for long time.
Actually, I don't know. because I don't have any experience to take marijuana ever. I've learned that it's very dangerous and very addicted since I was young.
kody
Solon_Poledourus wrote:
kody wrote:
What about the rest of the world? Why is Mary Jane banned all over Europe as well?
Because other nations tend to follow Americas' lead when it comes to drug laws.


But not when it comes to liquor?
Solon_Poledourus
kody wrote:
But not when it comes to liquor?
The propaganda machine against liquor was a group of old church ladies. The people who railed against canibus were senators and congressman. The world didn't care what our "moral majority squad" had to say about liquor, but when our senators and congressmen speak, everyone seems to listen. Take Iraq, for example...
Greatking
i think there should be restrictions surrounding the use of mariguana. i know it has medicinal benefits. it can be found in a lot of hair products as well. it grows the hair. but if in the course of helping it destroys as well, then measures should be taken to ensure they dont get into wrong hands. cause good intentions will ensure that its benefits is enjoyed.
kody
Greatking wrote:
... it can be found in a lot of hair products as well. it grows the hair...


Wow, I can't get over this one part of your reply, since you've got an avatar of tom cruise with long flowing locks of hair staring down at me...
paskifire
I haven't tried marijuana or other drugs but i think marijuana is safer than other illegal drugs.
andredesignz
Yes yes!!!!
sum12nv
of course marijuana should be illegal unless u have a prescribtion from a doc then everythings a ok
paskifire
i believe marijuana should be legal for love and peace Very Happy
deanhills
I was just thinking today that if marijuana was to be made legal, the drug industry will suffer as a consequence, so maybe it is in their interest not to have marijuana legal. Most people who need to treat pain or related discomforts may ask for marijuana over the counter if they can, without having to go to a doctor first to get a prescription, and then to a pharmacy, all of which are of course very expensive. Even simple headache pills is expensive these days. So maybe it is in the interest of the pharmaceutical industry to keep marijuana illegal.
Vrythramax
deanhills wrote:
I was just thinking today that if marijuana was to be made legal, the drug industry will suffer as a consequence, so maybe it is in their interest not to have marijuana legal. Most people who need to treat pain or related discomforts may ask for marijuana over the counter if they can, without having to go to a doctor first to get a prescription, and then to a pharmacy, all of which are of course very expensive. Even simple headache pills is expensive these days. So maybe it is in the interest of the pharmaceutical industry to keep marijuana illegal.


I was about to agree with you wholeheartedly here till you got the end. I can't see how it would benefit the pharmaceutical industry by losing potential control over something that has such far reaching profit margins. Think about it, marijauna is a weed, it takes very little to grow (hydroponics are optional), you don't have to do much prep work before packaging....and the price markup is through the roof. When you think about it, it's actually surprising they aren't lobbying for legalization...on their terms Exclamation
kody
Vrythramax wrote:
deanhills wrote:
I was just thinking today that if marijuana was to be made legal, the drug industry will suffer as a consequence, so maybe it is in their interest not to have marijuana legal. Most people who need to treat pain or related discomforts may ask for marijuana over the counter if they can, without having to go to a doctor first to get a prescription, and then to a pharmacy, all of which are of course very expensive. Even simple headache pills is expensive these days. So maybe it is in the interest of the pharmaceutical industry to keep marijuana illegal.


I was about to agree with you wholeheartedly here till you got the end. I can't see how it would benefit the pharmaceutical industry by losing potential control over something that has such far reaching profit margins. Think about it, marijauna is a weed, it takes very little to grow (hydroponics are optional), you don't have to do much prep work before packaging....and the price markup is through the roof. When you think about it, it's actually surprising they aren't lobbying for legalization...on their terms Exclamation


Hm... you don't think there'd be people undercutting such price markups if it was legal to grow and sell? If it does grow like a 'weed', everyone and their mom's dog will be growing it and selling it for pennies on the gram! Smile

Wow, I'd really look forward to that day! W000000000000t!!!!!
Jamestf347
I'm 16 and Have Never Tried Pot Or Anything Like That, Not wanting to but still, I think it should be legalized sorta, because well, if it's not people are going to be sent to jail trying to do it at least. Then Again it shouldn't be legal because, of the health risks of everyone, not only your own but the people around you. Kids would treat it like the new cigarette and honestly I think it kinda ruin this country. Just my opinion keep it illegal, It ruins lives, for what a few hours of being high?
kody
Jamestf347 wrote:
I'm 16 and Have Never Tried Pot Or Anything Like That, Not wanting to but still, I think it should be legalized sorta, because well, if it's not people are going to be sent to jail trying to do it at least. Then Again it shouldn't be legal because, of the health risks of everyone, not only your own but the people around you. Kids would treat it like the new cigarette and honestly I think it kinda ruin this country. Just my opinion keep it illegal, It ruins lives, for what a few hours of being high?


So, alcohol should also be illegal?
rodexa
I live in the Netherlands and everyone aged 18 and older can buy hashish and weed here. It is not legal but tolerated.
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