I am a drug/alcohol counselor and many teens have told me if pot were legal there would be very few gang problems, kids in jail, and most of societies ills will be gone, except maybe for the few that get addicted. What do you think? I have arguements either way.
Should marijuana be legal?
Heyhey,
Well i dont smoke, or do drugs or anything. But, if it were legal, i think it would be a bit weird going to the local supermarket to buy a packet of marijuana fags lol. I dont think it would go down well with other around you either, You'd get some queer looks and stuff.
Drug dealers would also loose out on alot of thier income which i guess is a good thing. I dont know if it would cause less crime or more crime, becaue with drug dealers out of the marijuana business, there would be less crime.. but more people on marijuana, it might get out of hand causeing more crime. I guess they'd enfore a law like with drinking though. Having so much in your system.
I'd say personaly i'm against it because i dont smoke and i hate to see people smokeing, and smoking around me.
On the other hand, i have no problem with it becoming legal. and anyways, i'll try anything once.
Hammy.
Well i dont smoke, or do drugs or anything. But, if it were legal, i think it would be a bit weird going to the local supermarket to buy a packet of marijuana fags lol. I dont think it would go down well with other around you either, You'd get some queer looks and stuff.
Drug dealers would also loose out on alot of thier income which i guess is a good thing. I dont know if it would cause less crime or more crime, becaue with drug dealers out of the marijuana business, there would be less crime.. but more people on marijuana, it might get out of hand causeing more crime. I guess they'd enfore a law like with drinking though. Having so much in your system.
I'd say personaly i'm against it because i dont smoke and i hate to see people smokeing, and smoking around me.
On the other hand, i have no problem with it becoming legal. and anyways, i'll try anything once.
Hammy.
Smoking marijuana is actually less harmful than normal smoking and also a much less harmful drug than say alcohol for example. I won't mention exactly who but someone in my family smokes pot... not around me (I don't like passive smoking of any kind 
). It's pretty harmless to be honest and if it was legalized there would be no real problem but like any drug it can be harmful and should be used in moderation.
). It's pretty harmless to be honest and if it was legalized there would be no real problem but like any drug it can be harmful and should be used in moderation.If it was legal, Gangs would enter new markets or expand existing markets such as Loan Sharking and so on.
Plus you have to remember that if it was legal, Pot would be regulated by the government and a "Pot" tax will be imposed which would make buying from Drug Dealers a better Alternative since they would have lowered their prices to stay competitive.
Plus you have to remember that if it was legal, Pot would be regulated by the government and a "Pot" tax will be imposed which would make buying from Drug Dealers a better Alternative since they would have lowered their prices to stay competitive.
Many people who think that pot should be legal bring up prohibition. Regulated alcohol was much better than unregulated, violent-crime related bathtub gin. However, I think there is an important difference between alcohol and pot.
I've never heard of anyone claiming that having a drink leads to drug problems, though plenty of times has weed been labeled a gateway drug. I don't really think pot should be legal.
However, if it did become legal, I think at first everyone would get stoned, then the novelty would quickly wear off. Of course, the funniest bit is that as soon as the Prez signs that bill, he'd get truckloads of free weed.
I've never heard of anyone claiming that having a drink leads to drug problems, though plenty of times has weed been labeled a gateway drug. I don't really think pot should be legal.
However, if it did become legal, I think at first everyone would get stoned, then the novelty would quickly wear off. Of course, the funniest bit is that as soon as the Prez signs that bill, he'd get truckloads of free weed.
| alkady wrote: |
| If it was legal, Gangs would enter new markets or expand existing markets such as Loan Sharking and so on.
Plus you have to remember that if it was legal, Pot would be regulated by the government and a "Pot" tax will be imposed which would make buying from Drug Dealers a better Alternative since they would have lowered their prices to stay competitive. |
Why would gangs "enter new markets" if "buying from Drug Dealers [would be] a better Alternative"?
It is already such a mainstream part of the culture here I think I read (I can't remember where.) that around 30% of Australians have smoked marijuana or smoke it regularly. (Bear in mind that 90% of all statistics are made up.) I don't think legalisation would have any dramatic negative repercussions but there could be some quite positive repercussions to it's decriminalisation such as not taking up the courts time with pot cases and dragging kids into the criminal system. As someone else said we'd also be taking money away from dealers and giving it instead to the taxman.
| PatTheGreat42 wrote: |
| Many people who think that pot should be legal bring up prohibition. Regulated alcohol was much better than unregulated, violent-crime related bathtub gin. However, I think there is an important difference between alcohol and pot.
I've never heard of anyone claiming that having a drink leads to drug problems, though plenty of times has weed been labeled a gateway drug. I don't really think pot should be legal. However, if it did become legal, I think at first everyone would get stoned, then the novelty would quickly wear off. Of course, the funniest bit is that as soon as the Prez signs that bill, he'd get truckloads of free weed. |
As for pot being a gateway drug I personally think that has more to do with its criminal associations. We never had prohibition here but from what I know about the time I think there'd be a fair relationship between frequenting speakeasy's and developing problems with other drugs such as laudanum, opium or whatever else was around at the time.
I don't think marijuana should be legal, because it messes with your brain a lot, and causes you to do stupid things. People should be clean from intoxicating things in my opinion. If everone was addicted to one sort of drug, and requires it to be functional in life, then the world will be a disasterous place...
I think the issue with marijuna, in comparison to drinking and smoking is not so much the addiction, but that prolonged usage of it, cause permanent brain damage.
To be frank, I know people that have stopped smoking pot, and yet they still have the side-effects from it. And as stereotype of a "pot-head" goes, it makes you stupid; and I would imagine, would make it difficult to learn.
Of course there is a divide in may areas regarding the legalization of said drug, but I think at least the adults that are pro pot, would agree that teens smoking it, just messes (apparently Frihost has a cussing filter...guess I haven't cussed on this board before...) up any chance for success.
To be frank, I know people that have stopped smoking pot, and yet they still have the side-effects from it. And as stereotype of a "pot-head" goes, it makes you stupid; and I would imagine, would make it difficult to learn.
Of course there is a divide in may areas regarding the legalization of said drug, but I think at least the adults that are pro pot, would agree that teens smoking it, just messes (apparently Frihost has a cussing filter...guess I haven't cussed on this board before...) up any chance for success.
Lol, those who support Marijuana are drug users or addicts. Why would any normal person advocate its' use? Because they want it themselves. Marijuana causes every kind of mental disorders as well as a heap physical effects. Come on, do you want your kids smoking pot?
I have tried pot but I don't consider myself a pot smoker. Personally I don't like anything that makes me sleepy. I'd much rather have a beer but I think people should have the right to make that choice for themselves.
Ok I agree that pot can have negative long and short term side effects with heavy use but I know a lot of older users who smoke it in a way that I consider responsible, say once a week, who appear to have no problem with it.
There are some people that probably shouldn't smoke pot because it can cause dramatic mood swings. I had a friend in high school who was probably a borderline schizophrenic to begin with but after he started smoking pot heavily, more than once a day, he started having full psychotic episodes. If you use the argument that pot should be banned because it will have a negative effect on some people then you'd have to apply it to alcohol too.
Ok I agree that pot can have negative long and short term side effects with heavy use but I know a lot of older users who smoke it in a way that I consider responsible, say once a week, who appear to have no problem with it.
There are some people that probably shouldn't smoke pot because it can cause dramatic mood swings. I had a friend in high school who was probably a borderline schizophrenic to begin with but after he started smoking pot heavily, more than once a day, he started having full psychotic episodes. If you use the argument that pot should be banned because it will have a negative effect on some people then you'd have to apply it to alcohol too.
i USE to smoke pot over a two years ago for only half a year and never suffered from mental health problems because i only usd it in moderation and as a social thing
If is is such a safe thing, why is it prohibited in the first place?
First and foremost, if you accualy go and do the research on how the first drug laws in the US came into existance, it is a joke. They were created by extremly narrow minded bigoted people in our government for alterior motives. Geez that sounds familiar.
As to weather Pot shoud be legalized. I say anyone who has ever consumed an alcoholic drink, you have consumed a substance that has caused, and will continue to cause iresponcible people to mame and kill innocent people. To all those who smoke Cigarettes, you have made a choice to smoke a PLANT that produces MIND ALTERING AFFECTS in persuit of your lives happiness. That takes care of at least 3/4 of the people in the world from any country, income, or sex. To this day Cigarettes and Alcohol have harmed far more people than marijuana by far, yet they are legal, available, and heavily taxed world wide.
I have never seen a pothead come home from a pot bar after work and beat his wife in front of his children. I have never seen a pothead spend money he needs to eat on pot. I have never seen a pothead cause a 10 car pile up on a major road causing 3 deaths.
The bottom line of it is that the american people have been lied to since the first drug laws were put on the books. At the same time they were allowed to freely use other mind altering substances only becayse the government can tax them. It is an official legal policy called hypocrocy that the US government has kept around as standaed policy since day one.
As to weather Pot shoud be legalized. I say anyone who has ever consumed an alcoholic drink, you have consumed a substance that has caused, and will continue to cause iresponcible people to mame and kill innocent people. To all those who smoke Cigarettes, you have made a choice to smoke a PLANT that produces MIND ALTERING AFFECTS in persuit of your lives happiness. That takes care of at least 3/4 of the people in the world from any country, income, or sex. To this day Cigarettes and Alcohol have harmed far more people than marijuana by far, yet they are legal, available, and heavily taxed world wide.
I have never seen a pothead come home from a pot bar after work and beat his wife in front of his children. I have never seen a pothead spend money he needs to eat on pot. I have never seen a pothead cause a 10 car pile up on a major road causing 3 deaths.
The bottom line of it is that the american people have been lied to since the first drug laws were put on the books. At the same time they were allowed to freely use other mind altering substances only becayse the government can tax them. It is an official legal policy called hypocrocy that the US government has kept around as standaed policy since day one.
everything has the good and evil sides.
drugs can cure people and also can kill them.
i think for the teens, who are maybe mature physically but maybe not mentally, it is often too risky to let them alone to play with the drugs.
well, i think it is just like you will not allow a bay to play with fire or cigarette.
A wiser way to solve the social problem is probably to lead them live an active life, to realize what life and living really mean, but not in a medical way.
drugs can cure people and also can kill them.
i think for the teens, who are maybe mature physically but maybe not mentally, it is often too risky to let them alone to play with the drugs.
well, i think it is just like you will not allow a bay to play with fire or cigarette.
A wiser way to solve the social problem is probably to lead them live an active life, to realize what life and living really mean, but not in a medical way.
I think that pot should be legal for sure.It is prob the most commonly used illegal drug in the world. I just think that the money would stay aways from helping crime if it was legal. The only problem would be that people would start to abuse it when it first becomes legal and prob some would die. In the end I think that that would be better than how it is now.
| ciaran27 wrote: |
| I have never seen a pothead come home from a pot bar after work and beat his wife in front of his children. I have never seen a pothead spend money he needs to eat on pot. I have never seen a pothead cause a 10 car pile up on a major road causing 3 deaths. |
That's probably because the number of routine-pot users is significantly lower than drinkers, due to the fact its illegal
yes i strongly support the legalisation of marijuana! and prostitution aswell. not that i'm a consumer of any of those and i don't really believe that there would be less criminal or anything such because of this, in fact in holland the usage of harddrugs increased since the legalisation of pot, but the state could collect taxes from it!
the people who used to engage in such activities wouldn't be breaking the law now. sometimes there's only a thin line between a criminal and a businessman
and what would people that have nothing to do with theese thing have of it (such as me
)? nothing perhaps. but since the state would be collecting taxes in new fields, maybe it would be able to decrease taxes for alcohol, gas and cigarets would be nice
the people who used to engage in such activities wouldn't be breaking the law now. sometimes there's only a thin line between a criminal and a businessman
and what would people that have nothing to do with theese thing have of it (such as me
)? nothing perhaps. but since the state would be collecting taxes in new fields, maybe it would be able to decrease taxes for alcohol, gas and cigarets would be nice I don't see the point in taking chemicals.
Can someone explain to me why should I start smoking/drinking?
Can someone explain to me why should I start smoking/drinking?
It's very interesting to compare arguments of legalization from people who are for and against. I've done a lot of research on marijuana because as someone who has smoked (and eaten) the natural herb, I've found it important to know exactly what it is all about. The best way to make a decision about most things in life is finding as much information as possible about the pros and cons because people generally have their own opinions, whether or not they really know what they are talking about. Think about it: would someone who has never gotten high be able to tell you exactly what it is like? Would someone who has never bothered to investigate the properties of the plant be able to tell you what exactly it does to your body?
Smoke from anything is generally not good for your lungs. However the main psychoactive substance in weed, THC, has such a low toxicity that you could smoke weed until you passed out from oxygen deprivation before you reached a lethal dose. Too much of ANYTHING, including water, is a bad thing. I would argue that eating 10 grams worth of pot in a brownie is healthier for you than eating a Big Mac.
Just remember to consider everything you hear while never truly accepting those things as fact before FULLY questioning the fundamentals of those beliefs. A man who's parents told him to hate gay people all of his life without any reason is probably going to tell you that he hates gay people.
Smoke from anything is generally not good for your lungs. However the main psychoactive substance in weed, THC, has such a low toxicity that you could smoke weed until you passed out from oxygen deprivation before you reached a lethal dose. Too much of ANYTHING, including water, is a bad thing. I would argue that eating 10 grams worth of pot in a brownie is healthier for you than eating a Big Mac.
Just remember to consider everything you hear while never truly accepting those things as fact before FULLY questioning the fundamentals of those beliefs. A man who's parents told him to hate gay people all of his life without any reason is probably going to tell you that he hates gay people.
I don't understand why people want mariguana legalized, it just doesn't make any sense to me. I have a brother who does it, and everything about him sucks when he's high. He's slow, he's stupid, and I could go on forever about the effects that the stupid drug has on him. Whenever I go to a gig or concert, there's always people high and they act really stupid. If it's legalized, it's just going to make the world more stupid, I doubt it will be legalized though. If it is though, the country will fail.
| Hammy wrote: |
| Heyhey,
Well i dont smoke, or do drugs or anything. But, if it were legal, i think it would be a bit weird going to the local supermarket to buy a packet of marijuana fags lol. I dont think it would go down well with other around you either, You'd get some queer looks and stuff. Drug dealers would also loose out on alot of thier income which i guess is a good thing. I dont know if it would cause less crime or more crime, becaue with drug dealers out of the marijuana business, there would be less crime.. but more people on marijuana, it might get out of hand causeing more crime. I guess they'd enfore a law like with drinking though. Having so much in your system. I'd say personaly i'm against it because i dont smoke and i hate to see people smokeing, and smoking around me. On the other hand, i have no problem with it becoming legal. and anyways, i'll try anything once. Hammy. |
I pretty much agree with you here, other then this quote "but more people on marijuana, it might get out of hand causing more crime." I wouldn't infer that more marijuana smokers would cause more crime, i would think that with the drug dealers out of business, they would be forced to move to more viscous crimes such as murder, robbery etc. I don't see, if marijuana was legalized that the higher population of smokers would cause increased crime.
Hi, Marjuana was legal until 1937... At this time Mr. DuPont got the patent for nylon. He also got some other to make paper out of wood. Before it was madeout of hemp. The biggest competition for the patents, especially the nylon one was of course hemp.(you can make about 50000 different products out of it) Hemp needed to get of the market.
1st they taxed it so much that it was no more lucrative for the farmers.
2nd Mr. William Randolf Hurst (at this time one of richest mans and newspaper tycoons in the world) was very intersted in the possibilities of making paper out of wood. He had huge forests. So every time some drug related crime/offense made headlines in his newspapers until Marijuana was banned and criminal substance.
In 2nd WW Farmers who grow pot for the army(uniforms) where lucky because non of their sons needed to join the army...
There is much more to read about this...
Jack Herer "Hemp, Lifeline to the Future"
1st they taxed it so much that it was no more lucrative for the farmers.
2nd Mr. William Randolf Hurst (at this time one of richest mans and newspaper tycoons in the world) was very intersted in the possibilities of making paper out of wood. He had huge forests. So every time some drug related crime/offense made headlines in his newspapers until Marijuana was banned and criminal substance.
In 2nd WW Farmers who grow pot for the army(uniforms) where lucky because non of their sons needed to join the army...
There is much more to read about this...
Jack Herer "Hemp, Lifeline to the Future"
Why not? Alcohol is legal (at least in my country), and it causes lots of car accidents and liver illnesses everyday, no one really cares about it. They tried to forbid it in the USA during the "Great Prohibition", and people only smuggled it and consumed more.
Laws should encourage people to make a responsible use of drugs, I'm against laws circumcising your personal liberty to take decisions, except those with a criminal background (of which Marihuana doesn't make part in my eyes).
Furthermore, if you legalize Marihuana, there will be one big reason not to buy it anymore: the fact that it isn't prohibited.
Laws should encourage people to make a responsible use of drugs, I'm against laws circumcising your personal liberty to take decisions, except those with a criminal background (of which Marihuana doesn't make part in my eyes).
Furthermore, if you legalize Marihuana, there will be one big reason not to buy it anymore: the fact that it isn't prohibited.
I've always had issues with victimless crimes. Why make something illegal that has no effect on others? (I think some of the real answers to that are listed above)
Legalizing it would free up police to focus on real crime, provide a tax source, and reduce a source of income for gangs. Downside? You'd have to establish a limit for operating a motor vehicle and a way to test for that level. Gateway drug? Pfft. No different than Alcohol. Well, one difference. With Dope you have to go to a guy who is selling every other drug.
Legalizing it would free up police to focus on real crime, provide a tax source, and reduce a source of income for gangs. Downside? You'd have to establish a limit for operating a motor vehicle and a way to test for that level. Gateway drug? Pfft. No different than Alcohol. Well, one difference. With Dope you have to go to a guy who is selling every other drug.
Well, if it'll be legalised here in Israel, I don't care tbh.
I won't use it.
I don't need to get "high". Never needed it when I was a kid, so obviously I don't need it now.
Always faced my problems alone, won't start running away now
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I won't use it.
I don't need to get "high". Never needed it when I was a kid, so obviously I don't need it now.
Always faced my problems alone, won't start running away now
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It's like Opium in china. So pot is legal in other countries. Well, lucky them. We should get rid of things which will not in anyway enhance our well being. For me, those who continue on smoking pot are LOSERS.
| THE11thROCK™ wrote: |
| ... We should get rid of things which will not in anyway enhance our well being. For me, those who continue on smoking pot are LOSERS. |
Really? I think a good case could be made for marijuana enhancing well being. In moderation, it relaxes you without side effects. It can help glaucoma symptoms. It eases the ill-effects of chemotherapy. I think those are enhancements to well-being.
How about alcohol, no enhancement there. Should we make that illegal in the states....again? That was a great success. Maybe just the things YOU don't approve of? Come on, shouldn't laws be based logic instead of personal feelings and fear?
In the Uk in one London borough (Lambeth) possession for personal use is not illegal but selling and distribution is. There was a bit of an outcry when weed changed classes but the police have more important things to do than to bust people for possession of a single spliff.
i personally don't care if it is or not. yet i do think that it would be easier if they do legalize it. less money used on marijuana busts and could be put to use somewhere else. also im sure it would help with trade as well.
| jipmerite wrote: |
| If is is such a safe thing, why is it prohibited in the first place? |
For the same reason other and more harmfull drugs are legal. The economic power has the final word. Not reason, not fairness, not the common well, not justice, not justice, not moral, not goverments (slaves)...For the same reason US is in war. For the same reason it doesnt matter there wasnt weapons of mass destruction. For the same reason every agressor in war cleans their **** with the united nations opinion.
Anwering the question: yes.
(I don't smoke or drink to an addiction frecuency. Maybe I have like 5 smokes a year)
It makes you sleep so well!!!
| Hobbit wrote: |
| I don't understand why people want mariguana legalized, it just doesn't make any sense to me. I have a brother who does it, and everything about him sucks when he's high. He's slow, he's stupid, and I could go on forever about the effects that the stupid drug has on him. Whenever I go to a gig or concert, there's always people high and they act really stupid. If it's legalized, it's just going to make the world more stupid, I doubt it will be legalized though. If it is though, the country will fail. |
That's just your opinion man. Maybe when he's high, he thinks the way you act is stupid. When I'm high, I get so disgusted by how fast paced and serious the world can get when we are all just living organisms bred from this earth that need nothing more than to eat, poop, have sex and sleep. Weed has freed me from so many imaginary restrictions, including social ones that define "how you should act" and what is "stupid".
| Helios wrote: |
| I don't see the point in taking chemicals.
Can someone explain to me why should I start smoking/drinking? |
Helios, if you have to ask, don't worry about it.
I was a heavy drug abuser 30 years ago for maybe 4 years. Since I quit, I haven't touched anything except alcohol. Mostly because I had more to lose from an arrest.
I did it originally out of curiosity. I liked the results so I kept pushing onward. I wouldn't change a thing, but if you aren't interested in the first place, I'd go with your gut feeling. It isn't for everyone. I just think people should be allowed to make their own decisions about it.
I don't think mj should be legalised. I guess it's not that harmful a drug but do we need more of it around - more out in the open? Come on - the answer has to be no!
It should be legal to have it for personal use universially, also growing it should be legal as the shit they put in hydroponics is physcodelic. Would save on health issues and the fact that anybody can grow it would reduce the crime associated with the means of getting it.
A permit concept of giving away seeds for people to grow it provided they get a permit, are able to be audited or something in terms of the quantity they are growing and 5 times the penalty for having pot without a permit would be a good thing in my opinion.
(I don't smoke weed.)
A permit concept of giving away seeds for people to grow it provided they get a permit, are able to be audited or something in terms of the quantity they are growing and 5 times the penalty for having pot without a permit would be a good thing in my opinion.
(I don't smoke weed.)
| healyrj wrote: |
| but do we need more of it around - more out in the open? Come on - the answer has to be no! |
Well, is there any reason at all to believe that? What is your reasoning? If you agree it isn't that harmful, why keep it illegal? Is it simple because YOU don't like it? What about the issue of police spending time on a drug you yourself think is "not that harmful"?
I've heard a number of arguments for and against the legalization of marijuana (partly because my English class had a persuasive speech project, and this became a few people's topics, and my Government class covered it to some degree), but I personally am indifferent about it. I have some confidence that I won't contract a disease that will require the drug as a remedy of sorts. Whether or not people need it would depend on each case, I think.
For medicinal purposes, I would probably say to legalize it if someone really needs it, but for personal use I don't see a point in its legalization.
For medicinal purposes, I would probably say to legalize it if someone really needs it, but for personal use I don't see a point in its legalization.
I think mj should be legal for use to people with cancer, because that some people syas it actually works a bit against the cancer!
| sonic wrote: |
| I think mj should be legal for use to people with cancer, because that some people syas it actually works a bit against the cancer! |
I hadn't heard about that, but I did hear that it can help with the nausea caused by chemotherapy.
Well HoboPelican like I wrote some people says I don't know it for sure, I havent got cancer myself so....
No, because in the U.S. we can barely control tobacco and alcohol being legal. Making marijuana legal would make it more attainable, and thus making it a much bigger problem than it is already.
| alkady wrote: |
| If it was legal, Gangs would enter new markets or expand existing markets such as Loan Sharking and so on.
Plus you have to remember that if it was legal, Pot would be regulated by the government and a "Pot" tax will be imposed which would make buying from Drug Dealers a better Alternative since they would have lowered their prices to stay competitive. |
Which, moves us into a different alternative, decriminalization. The gang problem is not a linked issue, nor a result of pot use. The real hurdle is getting the world governments to stop spending resources in the fight against pot. I wonder if governments are even capable of taking a step back on any issue and there in lies the real hurdle. Sorry to say, but I do not see anything changing.
| Soulfire wrote: |
| No, because in the U.S. we can barely control tobacco and alcohol being legal. Making marijuana legal would make it more attainable, and thus making it a much bigger problem than it is already. |
Curious about those two points.
What do you mean by
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| barely able to control tobacco and alcohol being legal |
What is the problem with marijuana? I'm not being flippant, I honestly do not see the harm involved. What makes it worse than alcohol?
REASONS THEY SHOULD:
Well basically I don't smoke but I used to, I honestly believe it's much easier for someone to believe something shouldn't be legal if they've never tried it (maybe the same philosiphy applies to Gay marriage?)
Marijuana is called a "Gateway Drug" because with it being Illegal anyone that deals can put Coke, PCP, Caps, X... Whatever into it and get them addicted to this "Weed" which has additional addictive affects because of whatever it was laced with. (Even a minute dose can still add to the addictive properties several times over, Still leaving the feeling still very similar to that of untouched weed.)
So then the smoker is put under the position of this specific dealer's "Weed" being the only kind strong enough to get him high, And of course because of it being more addictive he will be spending more and more of his time High until this laced weed doesn't do the trick anymore, and the buyer moves onto stronger, more dangerous substances.
Don't think that people aren't gullible to let this happen unless you've tried it, Marijuana messes with your perception and feelings... Every experience could be different in subtle ways, so it's not that much of a stretch. Bringing in one perception alterring substance with another is much more subtle than say, someone saying "hey try this tobacco" and the tobacco being like... actually crack or something.
Basically if weed was legal it could be more closely regulated, while of course reducing the number of Marijuana-related crimes, also potentially reducing the number of users that may be brought to the harder stuff through laced weed.
That's my take
Well basically I don't smoke but I used to, I honestly believe it's much easier for someone to believe something shouldn't be legal if they've never tried it (maybe the same philosiphy applies to Gay marriage?)
Marijuana is called a "Gateway Drug" because with it being Illegal anyone that deals can put Coke, PCP, Caps, X... Whatever into it and get them addicted to this "Weed" which has additional addictive affects because of whatever it was laced with. (Even a minute dose can still add to the addictive properties several times over, Still leaving the feeling still very similar to that of untouched weed.)
So then the smoker is put under the position of this specific dealer's "Weed" being the only kind strong enough to get him high, And of course because of it being more addictive he will be spending more and more of his time High until this laced weed doesn't do the trick anymore, and the buyer moves onto stronger, more dangerous substances.
Don't think that people aren't gullible to let this happen unless you've tried it, Marijuana messes with your perception and feelings... Every experience could be different in subtle ways, so it's not that much of a stretch. Bringing in one perception alterring substance with another is much more subtle than say, someone saying "hey try this tobacco" and the tobacco being like... actually crack or something.
Basically if weed was legal it could be more closely regulated, while of course reducing the number of Marijuana-related crimes, also potentially reducing the number of users that may be brought to the harder stuff through laced weed.
That's my take
I think it should be legal. It isn't like most other drugs, it grows naturally without any human assitance. Most other drugs are made or mixed with other things such as chemicals.
Pot doesn't have such harmful affects as other drugs.
It was proven the pot combats lung cancer by encouraging older cells, which are more likely to become cancerous, to die out. Those cells will be replaced with new ones.
~Jeremy~
Pot doesn't have such harmful affects as other drugs.
It was proven the pot combats lung cancer by encouraging older cells, which are more likely to become cancerous, to die out. Those cells will be replaced with new ones.
~Jeremy~
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It was proven the pot combats lung cancer by encouraging older cells, which are more likely to become cancerous, to die out. Those cells will be replaced with new ones. ~Jeremy~ |
Hey, I keep seeing this mentioned. Can you cite a reference? If it's true that would be a big deal.
With all the flack about second hand smoke, and it's cause and effect....I don't think anybody is going to legalize another form of smoke. MJ may or not be harmful or controllable, but it is still smoke.
I think it should be restricted the same way as cigarettes are. There is no need to fully prohibit it.
| Hobbit wrote: |
| I don't understand why people want mariguana legalized, it just doesn't make any sense to me. I have a brother who does it, and everything about him sucks when he's high. He's slow, he's stupid, and I could go on forever about the effects that the stupid drug has on him. Whenever I go to a gig or concert, there's always people high and they act really stupid. If it's legalized, it's just going to make the world more stupid, I doubt it will be legalized though. If it is though, the country will fail. |
Grass is just like anything else in the world, it can be used and it can be over used. I have seen plenty of ppl that smoke themselves into a stupor, and if that is what they want to do, than so be it. If you stop being biased by yor feelings towards your brothers behavior, you will see that the last statement you made is the very definition of ignorance. Grass has already been decriminalized in parts of the US. It's completly legal in Amsterdam and in other parts of the world. i have yet to see any caticlismic effects yet. It's people making uninformed, untruthfull and sencationalized claims like this that created the mass hysteria in the 1900's that got the ban on grass put in place in the first place.
Here's a little advice for you. People are going to do what they want to do. As long as they are not forcing it on you, leave them be. Don't go around making claims that are completly and totaly bogus.
of course it must be legal
i love mariuana
i love mariuana
| IceNinjaa wrote: |
| i personally don't care if it is or not. yet i do think that it would be easier if they do legalize it. less money used on marijuana busts and could be put to use somewhere else. also im sure it would help with trade as well. |
well, it kind of hurt teenagers, and teenagers are the people who are going to decide the future of Earth....
there old enough to think about it ...
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well, it kind of hurt teenagers, and teenagers are the people who are going to decide the future of Earth.... |
I don't think making it legal means totally uncontrolled. I think we are, for the most part, considering legalization to involve the same safeguards as alcohol.
It should be legal for medical use only. For example, persons with glaucoma or mutliple sclerosis would certainly benefit from it. Maybe it should be legal for personal use as well, but that's not the best for youngsters.
I agree with you tlambert..
It should be ligal for medicin use only.. Some sicknesses can be helped or even cured with it..
But it's still not to wise to smoke it for personal use..
It should be ligal for medicin use only.. Some sicknesses can be helped or even cured with it..
But it's still not to wise to smoke it for personal use..
If its legal then maybe people wouldnt think they are so clever using it.
If its legal then maybe more people would use it though. Its a hard choice.
If its legal then maybe more people would use it though. Its a hard choice.
IMHO there is no possibility that marijuana will be legalize. Some short term effects of marijuana use include: memory loss, distorted perception, trouble with thinking and problem solving, loss of motor skills, decrease in muscle strength, increased heart rate, and anxiety. so definitely no...
| mavahntooth wrote: |
| IMHO there is no possibility that marijuana will be legalize. Some short term effects of marijuana use include: memory loss, distorted perception, trouble with thinking and problem solving, loss of motor skills, decrease in muscle strength, increased heart rate, and anxiety. so definitely no... |
So, while you're high, it's like being drunk? Isn't that we've been saying?
| mavahntooth wrote: |
| IMHO there is no possibility that marijuana will be legalize. Some short term effects of marijuana use include: memory loss, distorted perception, trouble with thinking and problem solving, loss of motor skills, decrease in muscle strength, increased heart rate, and anxiety. so definitely no... |
Another completly misinformed individual I see. If grass is so devestating to the thought process, why does it increase the creativity in nearly everyone that uses it? When I was going through college, I could work on a paper for days and get a mid grade. I could write it in a night while smoking and get an A. Don't go around quoting propaganda until you know it is truthfull.
As for legalization, it is already decriminalixed in several states.....with more lobying for it every day. Don't be so sure of yourself. Decriminilization=You don't get arrested for having it. They are using decriminilization rather than legalization to stop people from having problems with it. About time someone twists the legal system a little in favor of peoples rights. Just sad that they have to do so at all.
i take pharmacy course and we discussed this issue in class before. making it legal have some good point but also have bad point too. it may reduce crime because selling and taking marijuana is not a crime anymore if it become legal...
but personally i dont agree with this. making it legal will enable teenagers to have easy access to it, thus increase number of addicts. it also might become a trend, just like cigarrate. well.. i dont know how to explain
but personally i dont agree with this. making it legal will enable teenagers to have easy access to it, thus increase number of addicts. it also might become a trend, just like cigarrate. well.. i dont know how to explain
forgive my ignorance here...but has weed ever been proved to be beneficial, medically or otherwise?
Well... the thing is it might stop some violence...but then think about how many people are now under the influence or marijuana? how many people are going to walk around messed up now?
Maybe the medicinal use of marijuana can be approved...and for certain purposes. Let's just hope that we can find a way to restrain the sell of that that legal marijuana from the people who qualify for it
Maybe the medicinal use of marijuana can be approved...and for certain purposes. Let's just hope that we can find a way to restrain the sell of that that legal marijuana from the people who qualify for it
| counselr10 wrote: |
| I am a drug/alcohol counselor and many teens have told me if pot were legal there would be very few gang problems, kids in jail, and most of societies ills will be gone, except maybe for the few that get addicted. What do you think? I have arguements either way. |
My opinion: NO. It stinks to intensively. I almost became a passive marijuana smoker. I felt bad. Imagine, in a restaurant for example, one in each four tables with a 'marijuaner'... Argh.
| Soulfire wrote: |
| No, because in the U.S. we can barely control tobacco and alcohol being legal. Making marijuana legal would make it more attainable, and thus making it a much bigger problem than it is already. |
| Da Rossa wrote: |
| My opinion: NO. It stinks to intensively. I almost became a passive marijuana smoker. I felt bad. Imagine, in a restaurant for example, one in each four tables with a 'marijuaner'... Argh. |
Over 50% of the British population smoke pot, and it's true they are more "healthy" than normal ciggarettes, but they still kill off brain cells, whilst you are smoking it you are really chilled and mellowed out, but once you stop being stoned and whilst your a frequent user and aren't stoned, you get extremely paranoid and aggressive. I personally think it should be legalised, as if someone want's to use it, let them. It doesn't mean everyone else has to. Things can be very funny when you are stoned.
Neal
Neal
| Vanquish wrote: |
| ...but once you stop being stoned and whilst your a frequent user and aren't stoned, you get extremely paranoid and aggressive. |
First I ever heard that. Doesn't sound like anything I ever saw or experienced. You sure about that?
It's an interesting question, and has many arguments either way. I can see the side of legalizing it, as it should reduce the risk of bad weed, and gangs, etc. However, I have to stand against the legalization of pot. While legalization was very close to occuring before the "Just say NO!" campaign, many people have come to realize that weed is a gateway drug, and leads to worse things.
| jaime_thom wrote: |
| ... However, I have to stand against the legalization of pot. While legalization was very close to occuring before the "Just say NO!" campaign, many people have come to realize that weed is a gateway drug, and leads to worse things. |
You don't think that the gateway aspect is due to the fact that the only people selling it now are dealers pushing harder drugs? If it was sold in liquor stores where is the gateway aspect? Right now it is intimately associated with other drugs because of it's illegality. Break that bond and it is just another way to relax.
There was certainly a time when i would have been all for the legalization of pot. Now that im a mummy however i would say no - but i have nothing against anyone who choses to smoke and have a number of friends who still smoke. Also a friends family went thru hell when her brother developed schitzophrenia - without doubt thru heavy pot use. Very scary 
so i think i am definitely against the legalization of pot now
Now that im a mummy however i would say no - but i have nothing against anyone who choses to smoke and have a number of friends who still smoke. Also a friends family went thru hell when her brother developed schitzophrenia - without doubt thru heavy pot use. Very scary so i think i am definitely against the legalization of pot nowDespite the many reasons against legalizing it, I think it's a matter of time before it IT legalised. Just like smoking which has been proven again and again is harmful, not just to the smoker but those around him as well, smoking MJ will also become part of the popular culture. And once there is a big enough movement for legalising it, just like the Gay Marriage Movement.
It's like the Governments have no choice but to let the public hurt and kill themselves if they want to. It's not like the public doesn't know what it;s doing.
It's just a matter of time.
It's like the Governments have no choice but to let the public hurt and kill themselves if they want to. It's not like the public doesn't know what it;s doing.
It's just a matter of time.
Gangs and Dealers would just focus on sales of much more damaging drugs. Not that there not already spending a great deal of energy on selling even more destructive substances as it is. Its disgusting to me. What kind of person tries to make a living of the suffering of others? How diluted by greed do you have to be?
I work at a pharmacy and our state has started a program requiring us to take the information of all our sales of some cold medicines and stuff. Anything that can be used in the manufacture of Meth. I've looked into Meth out of curiosity. WTF? who in there right mind would want to do that to them selves? Its ridiculously self destructive.
I guess legalizing the substances might make it a little safer for the end user. Government regulations and such might make it safer. Also a little more humane. Illegal drug trafficking has its victims Im sure. How many gang related killings do you hear about on the news?
I avoid those things for more then personal health reasons.
Its bad karma : (
I guess Im a bit of subject...
I work at a pharmacy and our state has started a program requiring us to take the information of all our sales of some cold medicines and stuff. Anything that can be used in the manufacture of Meth. I've looked into Meth out of curiosity. WTF? who in there right mind would want to do that to them selves? Its ridiculously self destructive.
I guess legalizing the substances might make it a little safer for the end user. Government regulations and such might make it safer. Also a little more humane. Illegal drug trafficking has its victims Im sure. How many gang related killings do you hear about on the news?
I avoid those things for more then personal health reasons.
Its bad karma : (
I guess Im a bit of subject...
If marijuana did become legal, I predict a massive Cheeto shortage.
personally i dont smoke, but from an outside perspective i think it should be legal. i just dont see it being more harmful that a drug like alcohol (in fact less harmful i would say). i don't really get why it is illegal i guess. for the most part though, i'm not really concerned. i would try it if it were legal, but i doubt that i'd really get into it.
To be honest, there's so much misinformation in this thread that I move it be closed. Here, I'll dispel a few myths about marijuana:
No, it cannot kill you.
No, it doesn't inherently lead to dangerous behaviour.
No, it does not cause any mental problems (learning disabilities, etc.)
No, smoking pot won't make you a schizo.
No, pot is NOT a gateway drug- think about it, it's totally illogical. How can one substance MAKE you want to try other substances? It's purely psychological.
Yeah, sure, pot kills braincells, just like a hard bump on the head kills brain cells.
Pot really isn't harmful at all- like I've stated above, it's about as harmfull as a bump on the head. What? Should the government make bumping your head illegal too? Clearly not.
Chances are, Marijuana will only ever become decriminalized (meaning it is ok to posess marijuana for personal use, but the sale of the substance, and possesion of the substance with intent to sell is illegal).
Frankly, I don't understand how the government can tell us that we can't consume something produced by lovely mother earth. It's pretty stupid. Additionally, I think the government should allow people to make choices about drugs for THEMSELVES. The government has no right to tell us what we can and cannot consume.
Word.
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No, it cannot kill you.
No, it doesn't inherently lead to dangerous behaviour.
No, it does not cause any mental problems (learning disabilities, etc.)
No, smoking pot won't make you a schizo.
No, pot is NOT a gateway drug- think about it, it's totally illogical. How can one substance MAKE you want to try other substances? It's purely psychological.
Yeah, sure, pot kills braincells, just like a hard bump on the head kills brain cells.
Pot really isn't harmful at all- like I've stated above, it's about as harmfull as a bump on the head. What? Should the government make bumping your head illegal too? Clearly not.
Chances are, Marijuana will only ever become decriminalized (meaning it is ok to posess marijuana for personal use, but the sale of the substance, and possesion of the substance with intent to sell is illegal).
Frankly, I don't understand how the government can tell us that we can't consume something produced by lovely mother earth. It's pretty stupid. Additionally, I think the government should allow people to make choices about drugs for THEMSELVES. The government has no right to tell us what we can and cannot consume.
Word.
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| counselr10 wrote: |
| I am a drug/alcohol counselor and many teens have told me if pot were legal there would be very few gang problems, kids in jail, and most of societies ills will be gone, except maybe for the few that get addicted. What do you think? I have arguements either way. |
Your teens sound like stoners themselves. They lack the ability to grasp reality and make vaild judgements. Could you imagine how instantly stupid our society would be. I think it is the opposite, they need to stop considering even making it legal and start making these little drug addicts realize that it IS a drug.
If you spend anytime around people who smoke a lot you quickly realize just how stupied they really are and how they lack the ability to do anything productive. I have had nothing but problems with stoners, as clients, as friends, as employees. Make it legal in prison, then they can sit there and get stoned all they want but at least they are out of my way and not interferring with my life.
^ Man, just sit down and be quiet. You have no idea what you're talking about- have you ever even TRIED Marijuana? On the contrary, alot of people that I know who smoke pot have a BETTER grasp on reality than I do. Pot smokers are some of the most open minded people around.
Frankly, I find your stereotypical comments about people who consume Marijauana offensive and inane. You say Pot smokers can't do anything productive and are stupid? Yeah, so Bob Marley and Hunter S. Thompson weren't productive? Is that what you're saying?
Frankly, I find your stereotypical comments about people who consume Marijauana offensive and inane. You say Pot smokers can't do anything productive and are stupid? Yeah, so Bob Marley and Hunter S. Thompson weren't productive? Is that what you're saying?
| Marston wrote: |
| To be honest, there's so much misinformation in this thread that I move it be closed. Here, I'll dispel a few myths about marijuana:
No, it cannot kill you. No, it doesn't inherently lead to dangerous behaviour. No, it does not cause any mental problems (learning disabilities, etc.) No, smoking pot won't make you a schizo. No, pot is NOT a gateway drug- think about it, it's totally illogical. How can one substance MAKE you want to try other substances? It's purely psychological. Yeah, sure, pot kills braincells, just like a hard bump on the head kills brain cells. Pot really isn't harmful at all- like I've stated above, it's about as harmfull as a bump on the head. What? Should the government make bumping your head illegal too? Clearly not. Chances are, Marijuana will only ever become decriminalized (meaning it is ok to posess marijuana for personal use, but the sale of the substance, and possesion of the substance with intent to sell is illegal). Frankly, I don't understand how the government can tell us that we can't consume something produced by lovely mother earth. It's pretty stupid. Additionally, I think the government should allow people to make choices about drugs for THEMSELVES. The government has no right to tell us what we can and cannot consume. Word. |
Obviously the above user is himself a stoner. It doesn't cause mental problems!! You don't consider being stupid a mental problem? How about the lack of ability to be productive, or make rational thoughts? How about stupid statements like "produced by lovely mother earth"? Come on, get a life, get a job, put down the pipe, turn of the Phish album.
Yes it is a gateway drug, but you wouldn't know that because you probably forgot what we were talking about already. I like the way the drug addicts and stoners move for a forum to be closed. That is because he had to stop smoking for at least 20 minutes to formulate a response and it's cramping his style all this "adult talk".
Hey....don't procreate, PLEASE!!
Man, offending me isn't the way to make a point. You're making yourself look like a little kid. Try making actual points, instead of flaming ME. The only reason why you flame me is because not only are you an extremely repressed individual, but you seem to also not be able to counter ANY of my points with solid unarguable counterpoints. If anyone is stupid in this thread, it's you and your conservative ideologies.
| Marston wrote: |
| ^ Man, just sit down and be quiet. You have no idea what you're talking about- have you ever even TRIED Marijuana? On the contrary, alot of people that I know who smoke pot have a BETTER grasp on reality than I do. Pot smokers are some of the most open minded people around.
Frankly, I find your stereotypical comments about people who consume Marijauana offensive and inane. You say Pot smokers can't do anything productive and are stupid? Yeah, so Bob Marley and Hunter S. Thompson weren't productive? Is that what you're saying? |
You find it offensive? Sorry. Stop smoking and you might see the reality. Yes I have tried when I was a kid, but I grew up, you should try it. How can you say that pot smokers have a "better" grasp on reality!! That my friend is the definition of a stupid comment. They smoke weed to escape reality, they are weak and they need a crutch to get through life. They may have a grasp of where to buy cheetos at 3 am but believe me it is not a grasp on reality.
OF COURSE THEY ARE OPEN MINDED THEY ARE STONED!!! HA HA HA
You can't be serious right, you only prove everything people are saying. HA HA. But you probably don't see that, why.....because your stoned!!
BTW, Bob Marley was very productive, he did his thing, are you an amazing song writer? I think not. It worked for him, it was his gig. As for Hunter, well he was brilliant but he also hardly used weed when compared to the other things he did. Like I said though it worked for HIM, it was his gimick just like weed was Bob's.
Don't' try to justify addiction and the stupidification of a society with remarks that only prove ones inability to make rational statements.
You disproved your own point.
Good job!
Anyways, I'm sorry that you've been terribly misinformed about Marijuana, and I forgive you for your offensive comments. Maybe in a few years, you will open your mind to alternative lifestyles, and realize that, in the past, you have acted immaturely. It seems you have alot to learn about life in general. Unfortunatley, due to your poor attitude about this subject, and the aforementioned flaming, I won't be posting in this topic anymore. If you ever want to debate about Marijuana in a mature fashion, hit me up with an email at marstonfleming@gmail.com.
Peace.
Good job!
Anyways, I'm sorry that you've been terribly misinformed about Marijuana, and I forgive you for your offensive comments. Maybe in a few years, you will open your mind to alternative lifestyles, and realize that, in the past, you have acted immaturely. It seems you have alot to learn about life in general. Unfortunatley, due to your poor attitude about this subject, and the aforementioned flaming, I won't be posting in this topic anymore. If you ever want to debate about Marijuana in a mature fashion, hit me up with an email at marstonfleming@gmail.com.
Peace.
| Marston wrote: |
| Man, offending me isn't the way to make a point. You're making yourself look like a little kid. Try making actual points, instead of flaming ME. The only reason why you flame me is because not only are you an extremely repressed individual, but you seem to also not be able to counter ANY of my points with solid unarguable counterpoints. If anyone is stupid in this thread, it's you and your conservative ideologies. |
Wow do you have that wrong....actually I am the least conservative person around and believe me I am not repressed in any way shape or form. Quite the opposite really.
I have worked in the entertainment industry for over 14 years, I make the music videos that you watch, I also deal with all the bands that you listen to, enjoy, etc. And through that I meet and know a LOT of people. Sorry if you feel like I am flaming you personally because I am not. Just recently I had another huge bout of drama with a client that seemed cool in the beginning, I didn't care that he was a stoner drug addict, I didn't think it would affect things. Well guess what? Stoners can't make judgements based on fact. So of course three months into his contract I had to get rid of him, it costs me money to break a contract, and I don't like wasting money.
It has happened more times that I can count and usually about twice a year I let my guard down start working with some stoner and next thing you know, oops they forgot, oops they weren't there, oops did I throw that away, oops where am I supposed to be?
From experience, working as a film director, artist and by day a counselor, I just know that there is nothing good that comes from drug addiction, even if it is an natural thing. So is oil, but I wouldn't reccomend drinking it.
I am not flaming you, I was simply saying that your statements were entirely untrue. What is YOUR basis for the statements you made? Weed can actually kill you in theory, problem is you would have smoke so much of it that you would forget you were trying to kill yourself with it and pass out. If you have tried weed then you can't tell me it makes you all "smart" and function well. No it doesn't, it makes you stupid and lazy. Saying anything on the contrary is denial.
So don't think I am personally attacking you, I am not, I am attacking the stupid ass culture that makes it cool to be a drug addict. People who wear pot leaves on their clothes, put things like "420" in the MySpace name, how stupid is that? Hell 99.9% of the stoners out there don't even know where 420 came from or what it meant!!
You can see my point or not, you don't have to accept it. Believe me I really don't care, I only came on here ot bring my points back up. So back to work for me. thank you for the healthy debate.
well you could arue either way on the subject but the problem with it is just this if it were to be legal nothing would get done right now the best solution i think is a rating system of people you get judged on a scale of how succsessful your life is and how many people will vowge for you depending on that you are allowed/ dissallowed to use obtain grow perchase ect. marijuana and substances like lsd
| essentialmedia wrote: |
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I have worked in the entertainment industry for over 14 years, |
And you think that is a good cross sample of the users? I am not a user (30 years ago, that was NOT true!
) and I gotta tell you that your experieneces are not mine. I'm an engineer and for the last 15 years I've worked with engineering interns on a regular basis. Through the years, many of the kids coming through our program have been users. Not losers in anyway. Hard workers, dependable and alert. Yeah, they smoked and drank on the weekends, but they were always clear headed and eager come Monday...well, as eager as most. We are talking Mondays.
(BTW - I still stay in touch with most of those folks. Some still using, some not. But they all are still functioning and thriving in corporate America.)
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...I was simply saying that your statements were entirely untrue. ...Weed can actually kill you in theory, ... If you have tried weed then you can't tell me it makes you all "smart" and function well. No it doesn't, it makes you stupid and lazy. Saying anything on the contrary is denial. |
Which of his statements are untrue? None that I can see. Kill you? That is a fatuous argument. Water can kill you if you drink enough. I have never heard of any study saying there was any deadly biological aspect to marijuana. Post it if you have reliable info. Stupid and lazy? pfft. My experiences dispute that. I guess we need a scientific study to prove it now, right?
Come on, sure there are losers smoking dope. There's loser drinking beer, losers playing in bands, losers doing everything. There are also well adjusted, normal people doing those things. If you are vocally anti-drugs, do you think the well-adusted users are gonna tell you they do drugs? Of course not. They are all around you and you don't even know it because they aren't addicted, aren't doing other drugs and function just fine.
Essentialmedia, Marston, please, let's keep this non-personal. Personal experiences are fine to relate, but if you disagree with a staement, refute it calmly, ok?
Let's continue with a bit of decorum.
And you think that is a good cross sample of the users? I am not a user (30 years ago, that was NOT true! ) and I gotta tell you that your experieneces are not mine. I'm an engineer and for the last 15 years I've worked with engineering interns on a regular basis. Through the years, many of the kids coming through our program have been users. Not losers in anyway. Hard workers, dependable and alert. Yeah, they smoked and drank on the weekends, but they were always clear headed and eager come Monday...well, as eager as most. We are talking Mondays.
(BTW - I still stay in touch with most of those folks. Some still using, some not. But they all are still functioning and thriving in corporate America.)
Which of his statements are untrue? None that I can see. Kill you? That is a fatuous argument. Water can kill you if you drink enough. I have never heard of any study saying there was any deadly biological aspect to marijuana. Post it if you have reliable info. Stupid and lazy? pfft. My experiences dispute that. I guess we need a scientific study to prove it now, right?
Come on, sure there are losers smoking dope. There's loser drinking beer, losers playing in bands, losers doing everything. There are also well adjusted, normal people doing those things. If you are vocally anti-drugs, do you think the well-adusted users are gonna tell you they do drugs? Of course not. They are all around you and you don't even know it because they aren't addicted, aren't doing other drugs and function just fine.
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Let's continue with a bit of decorum.
| essentialmedia wrote: |
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I have worked in the entertainment industry for over 14 years, |
And you think that is a good cross sample of the users? I am not a user (30 years ago, that was NOT true!
) and I gotta tell you that your experieneces are not mine. I'm an engineer and for the last 15 years I've worked with engineering interns on a regular basis. Through the years, many of the kids coming through our program have been users. Not losers in anyway. Hard workers, dependable and alert. Yeah, they smoked and drank on the weekends, but they were always clear headed and eager come Monday...well, as eager as most. We are talking Mondays.
(BTW - I still stay in touch with most of those folks. Some still using, some not. But they all are still functioning and thriving in corporate America.)
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...I was simply saying that your statements were entirely untrue. ...Weed can actually kill you in theory, ... If you have tried weed then you can't tell me it makes you all "smart" and function well. No it doesn't, it makes you stupid and lazy. Saying anything on the contrary is denial. |
Which of his statements are untrue? None that I can see. Kill you? That is a fatuous argument. Water can kill you if you drink enough. I have never heard of any study saying there was any deadly biological aspect to marijuana. Post it if you have reliable info. Stupid and lazy? pfft. My experiences dispute that. I guess we need a scientific study to prove it now, right?
Come on, sure there are losers smoking dope. There's loser drinking beer, losers playing in bands, losers doing everything. There are also well adjusted, normal people doing those things. If you are vocally anti-drugs, do you think the well-adusted users are gonna tell you they do drugs? Of course not. They are all around you and you don't even know it because they aren't addicted, aren't doing other drugs and function just fine.
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then tax it! 
Marijuana has a grey area. I agree with Marijuana for medical uses, and I also think it's not that bad as the media portrays it. It does the opposite of what many other drugs do. But it also makes many people not care about important things and lazy while under influence. So I dont agree with people abusing it, but people using it in moderation.
But in my case, I wouldn't touch it if it was legal or illegal. Drugs are just not in my state of mind.
But in my case, I wouldn't touch it if it was legal or illegal. Drugs are just not in my state of mind.
It seems everone is addressing the issue if why it shouldn't be legalized, and ignoring any questions as to why it should be legalized. I agree with some that it should not be legalized, and I (personally) disagree with some (for thier reasoning) that it should not. MJ has never (to my knowlege) been shown to cause any type of mental illness, long term effects, or habituation, and to just dismiss anyone who smokes as a "stoner", is just another form of discrimination. I can attest to many who have graduated with outstanding grades that have come from some of the finest universities the US has to offer that smoked, and continue to smoke. It really doesn't help the topic any by just saying "Yeah...it's cool"...that doesn't really further the conversation in any helpful way.
I would like to direct some to The National Organization (for) the Decriminilization of Marijuana Laws website for further information about the actions that have been going on in the US by some since the 1970's for the legalization of marijuana.
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I would like to direct some to The National Organization (for) the Decriminilization of Marijuana Laws website for further information about the actions that have been going on in the US by some since the 1970's for the legalization of marijuana.
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Legal or not there will still always be an underground market for it. Even if for some wild reason they were to legalize it, it wouldn't stop drug dealers from creating a whole new underground market. If it were to be legalized it would be under government control, and would more then likely be taxed up the a**!! Therefor freelance growers and drug dealers would more then likely do MORE business cause everyone wants that cheaper price.
| smokey4life wrote: |
| Legal or not there will still always be an underground market for it. Even if for some wild reason they were to legalize it, it wouldn't stop drug dealers from creating a whole new underground market. If it were to be legalized it would be under government control, and would more then likely be taxed up the a**!! Therefor freelance growers and drug dealers would more then likely do MORE business cause everyone wants that cheaper price. |
Not sure if that's valid. If it became legal, it would just be another crop. Even if taxed like cigarettes I'm thinking it would still be cheaper than it is now. And people growing their own would be legal anyway Even if it was slightly cheaper to by it blackmarket, I'm betting most folk would rather go down to the liquor store and buy quality controlled dope instead of taking a chance with a street dealer.
I'm not so sure the price would drop. It seems that the more people want something, the more the government wants to make off of it. It's rather like having a captive audience...they have to buy from you, know matter what the price. It is (possible) that the drug sellers would come up with a cheaper alternative in order to skirt the governments restrictions. Even if they (the drug dealers) didn't come up with a newer and cheaper drug, smuggling would still continue to avoid government imposed taxation.
In any even't, there really is no clear answer to this particular problem...and it will continue.
In any even't, there really is no clear answer to this particular problem...and it will continue.
XD its legal where i live ( The Netherlands )
xD at least i can freely smoke a joint in front of a police car =)
(and belive me, i did)
xD at least i can freely smoke a joint in front of a police car =)
(and belive me, i did)
No. At least, not in Brazil. We're a big and wonderful country, and we do have our own problems. It's hard to deal with traffic, and another countries from south america aren't like the best examples. Marijuana is, for sure, a dangerous drug.
| counselr10 wrote: |
| I am a drug/alcohol counselor and many teens have told me if pot were legal there would be very few gang problems, kids in jail, and most of societies ills will be gone, except maybe for the few that get addicted. What do you think? I have arguements either way. |
Health is most important, and plus if not one way, there'll still be gangs around maybe increasing.
Make ALL drugs legal. If we can send kids barely out of their teens to die in foreign lands in wars not their own we can very well give them other easier ways to kill themselves.
| ainieas wrote: |
| Make ALL drugs legal. If we can send kids barely out of their teens to die in foreign lands in wars not their own we can very well give them other easier ways to kill themselves. |
That is totally absurd! If that were the case, why not legalize all guns as well...it would make the killing so much faster.
I am in highschool and I see daily what is going on in there. Drugs do horrible things to people. I have watched it destroy peoples lives right before my eyes. I think that anyone who would want to use any type of drug is just asking for a screwed up life.
Now, whether or not it should be legalized to take these drugs? There are two sides to that. It is true that many people crave what they are not allowed to have greater than the things that they are allowed to have. This says that it should be legalized in an attempt to make it less appealling. On the other side, it would be morally wrong to place something on the market that has the potential to destroy peoples lives.
So when it comes down to it, I really don't have an opinion either way. I believe that when it comes to drugs, we all have to make a personal decision. Even if it is legalized, the way it affects people does not change. If you decide to do it, then that is your problem. But if you don't, then that just shows how much more intelligent you are than everyone else out there.
Now, whether or not it should be legalized to take these drugs? There are two sides to that. It is true that many people crave what they are not allowed to have greater than the things that they are allowed to have. This says that it should be legalized in an attempt to make it less appealling. On the other side, it would be morally wrong to place something on the market that has the potential to destroy peoples lives.
So when it comes down to it, I really don't have an opinion either way. I believe that when it comes to drugs, we all have to make a personal decision. Even if it is legalized, the way it affects people does not change. If you decide to do it, then that is your problem. But if you don't, then that just shows how much more intelligent you are than everyone else out there.
| Jman2425 wrote: |
| ...
Now, whether or not it should be legalized to take these drugs? There are two sides to that. It is true that many people crave what they are not allowed to have greater than the things that they are allowed to have. This says that it should be legalized in an attempt to make it less appealling. On the other side, it would be morally wrong to place something on the market that has the potential to destroy peoples lives. |
Well, I like the fact you see two sides to the issue, but I have point out that making it less appealing by legalizing it is NOT my point. My point is that medical studies and personal experiences by myself and others indicate that there is NOT a strong reason to keep it illegal. We are equating it, and fairly I think, with alcohol. Many people use one or the other with little effect on their lives. Of course, there is one difference that should be noted. They have shown that alcohol can be physically addictive. This has not been shown to be the case with grass. In fact, and this is strictly opinion here, they seem to have made up the term "psychological addiction" to make it sound like it is addictive. I think what it really means is that people like and want to do it again.
| Demiah wrote: |
| XD its legal where i live ( The Netherlands )
xD at least i can freely smoke a joint in front of a police car =)
(and belive me, i did) |
haha I know
it's so cool, I live in Holland too and no problems here! I like it this way and I do not believe there would be more crime, I think less because everybody is just relaxing, you dont feel like doing much, you just want to relax, unless youre just 'high' then you can have fun and stuff but I still dont think it'll cause more crime, maybe less or just the same.
I'm not a big smoker but I recently just quit smoking tobacco, that's a real killer right there, when you smoke weed it comes down to 3 times more tar and carbon monoxide if you smoke it with tobacco. It all depends on yourself, how you deal with your drug, just like alcohol you just should use it with moderation.
We are all humans and have genes in our bodies, not every body can handle the same amount of weed or whatever it is that you're using. You should just keep in mind that you dont have to overdo it, when you're feeling high/stoned...stay there, don't keep puffing/drinking/sniffing etc. it.
isnt it already
I'm against drugs, and my personal opinion is that no drugs should be legal.
Others may have their opinion
Others may have their opinion
Here in the UK cannabis was recently re-classified as class "c" (class "a" being heroin/crack etc) and it means that unless your smoking in a public place, or in possesion of a large amount considered to be for supply to others, you will not be arrested, but may have it confiscated from you by a police officer.
I'm not sure about complete legalisation for cannabis/pot/hash though, the price is so cheap here that hardly any thefts can be caused by people trying to fund a habit, it is the more expensive drugs that cause crimes like breaking & entering houses, street robbery etc.
One problem with the drug only being obtained from illegal dealers is that the dealers themselves often try to encourage users to buy other drugs such as speed/base/amphetamine or ecstacy/pills etc as well as the pot. You don't go to a legal chemist/drug store for painkillers and then get a hard sell from the person behind the counter trying to encourage you to buy harder substances!
This issue is so large and difficult, i wouldnt know what to suggest if i was in a position of government... it is perhaps ironic though, that the legalised drugs kill more people in the UK than illegal pot smoking - 30 to 40 thousand per year from alcohol, and over 100 thousand from cigarette smoking!
Anything in moderation my Grandmother always used to say - maybe she had a point, just because a government says something is good or bad doesnt always mean it is
I'm not sure about complete legalisation for cannabis/pot/hash though, the price is so cheap here that hardly any thefts can be caused by people trying to fund a habit, it is the more expensive drugs that cause crimes like breaking & entering houses, street robbery etc.
One problem with the drug only being obtained from illegal dealers is that the dealers themselves often try to encourage users to buy other drugs such as speed/base/amphetamine or ecstacy/pills etc as well as the pot. You don't go to a legal chemist/drug store for painkillers and then get a hard sell from the person behind the counter trying to encourage you to buy harder substances!
This issue is so large and difficult, i wouldnt know what to suggest if i was in a position of government... it is perhaps ironic though, that the legalised drugs kill more people in the UK than illegal pot smoking - 30 to 40 thousand per year from alcohol, and over 100 thousand from cigarette smoking!
Anything in moderation my Grandmother always used to say - maybe she had a point, just because a government says something is good or bad doesnt always mean it is
Legalize the vegetables, they can't be guilty for our mistakes. They are free to grow.
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if it become legal , get ready to see some people doing weird things in the street.and bad things
| HoboPelican wrote: | ||
First I ever heard that. Doesn't sound like anything I ever saw or experienced. You sure about that? |
It changed my brother a great deal when he stopped smoking it, and I saw the things in him that he couldn't, now he's calmed down and isn't aggresive towards his girlfriend and isn't paranoid anymore, he's just getting his life sorted now.
Neal
There will always be drugs. They will always sell by powerful people and organizations. it's a way to control the mass. it's a way to portray the ultimate evil. it's important for the very structors of society. Legalization will push society towards other evils. if today many teens are using marijuana to rebel and feel "unattached", tomorrow it will be heroin or speeds or whatever. maybe if tabaco was illigal people would smoke that to rebel and the users of marijuana would have been concidered as hard users. evil is part of our daily control systems. but it is for us, for society to determin just what it is - canabus or speeds
My take on all this is yes anything used excessively is bad for you whether it's pot, alcohol or even caffeine. I know that's simplifying things a lot and there are different scales of consequences but I don't believe that marjuana is more harmful than alcohol and I do believe that you have to let people be responsible for their own choices.
It shouldn't be legal, it's too dangerous to use and very unhealthy. That's my opinion...
| bulek wrote: |
| It shouldn't be legal, it's too dangerous to use and very unhealthy. That's my opinion... |
I agree that is should be legalized for the [possible] exception of medicinal usage, but I think your reasoning may be a bit flawed. The only real danger (that I know of) to MJ use is the amount of tar and nicotine it puts into your lungs. In that resepct it is almost as hazardous as cigarette smoking.
I don't believe total legalization is going to help stop the problem. MJ has been called a "gateway" drug that only leads to usage of more powerful and dangerous drugs...I don't believe this to be true. I have known many who only smoke MJ and wouldn't touch anything harder unless you held a gun to thier head. I think if a person is inclined to actually want to use harder drugs, then yes, MJ is a great way to get your feet wet (sort to speak), but I think it has more to do with the charactor of the individual and not MJ itself.
Note to readers: this is the USER Bockman talking and not any team position.
In my case i could change the "unless" for "even if".
I have had my "I'll huff, and I'll puff till I bring myself down" days long ago and only thing i smoked was MJ (ash really puts me in a low mood, so i disliked it. only MJ). I never had the curiosity to smoke/sniff anything else (and i've had mostly everything at arms reach at one time or another), if i ever felt anything about other illegal drugs, it was fear.
I never heard of MJ causing addiction (the irritation and aggressiveness are usually related to people who stop smoking.. cigarrettes) and it didn't cost me one bit to stop smoking it (well, i sometimes miss the foolish things we did when we were high, but I must grow up at some point).
My only point in this thread is:
Why is MJ illegal on some countries (my situation is simillar to UK's, so not really a crime to smoke) and tobaco is legal? tobaco is much worse to anyone's health and governments allow it, as they allow alcoohol.
In Portugal's case, i can see the (real) reason for that. The government has almost 50% tax on tobaco products, so they have a great income from it. HENCE, it is and will remain legal. same thing with the booze, although i dunno how much tax there is in it (appart from the 21% all "luxury" products have (wich is almost everything but food and medicine))
I don't know if legalizing it would bring crime rates down, but it would sure stop street sellers and, most of all, it would decrease or eliminate the chance of people selling other (chemical) stuff to youngsters as if it were MJ.
now a little off-topic:
Has anyone ever wondered why we had a "catch the terrorist" farse on Afganistan?
I do not have the links but i've read from ONU's reports that before the Taliban had control of Afganistan there was a opium production of 5 000 TONS, and after they took control, they reduced it to 500 TONS (mostly produced in northern afganistan, not controlled by talibans).
Since the Taliban's were removed from power, the opium productions has sky rocketed again (last report said something about 4 500 TONS) in Afganistan.
Everyone had a catch on that war (Russia for example saved millions by passing the oleoduct through Afganistan, instead of around it. And no, the Taliban didn't allow Russia to build the oleoduct in Afganistan).
NOTE: I am NOT pro-Taliban and i agree that control by force WAS necessary and that terrorists had to be brought down. my problem is the real reason why they went there in the first place, and (for me) it wasn't because of terrorism...
Unfortunately, most governments have always something to gain out of drugs (legal or not)
Be Well
| Vrythramax wrote: |
| I have known many who only smoke MJ and wouldn't touch anything harder unless you held a gun to thier head. I think if a person is inclined to actually want to use harder drugs, then yes, MJ is a great way to get your feet wet (sort to speak), but I think it has more to do with the charactor of the individual and not MJ itself. |
In my case i could change the "unless" for "even if".
I have had my "I'll huff, and I'll puff till I bring myself down" days long ago and only thing i smoked was MJ (ash really puts me in a low mood, so i disliked it. only MJ). I never had the curiosity to smoke/sniff anything else (and i've had mostly everything at arms reach at one time or another), if i ever felt anything about other illegal drugs, it was fear.
I never heard of MJ causing addiction (the irritation and aggressiveness are usually related to people who stop smoking.. cigarrettes) and it didn't cost me one bit to stop smoking it (well, i sometimes miss the foolish things we did when we were high, but I must grow up at some point).
My only point in this thread is:
Why is MJ illegal on some countries (my situation is simillar to UK's, so not really a crime to smoke) and tobaco is legal? tobaco is much worse to anyone's health and governments allow it, as they allow alcoohol.
In Portugal's case, i can see the (real) reason for that. The government has almost 50% tax on tobaco products, so they have a great income from it. HENCE, it is and will remain legal. same thing with the booze, although i dunno how much tax there is in it (appart from the 21% all "luxury" products have (wich is almost everything but food and medicine))
I don't know if legalizing it would bring crime rates down, but it would sure stop street sellers and, most of all, it would decrease or eliminate the chance of people selling other (chemical) stuff to youngsters as if it were MJ.
now a little off-topic:
Has anyone ever wondered why we had a "catch the terrorist" farse on Afganistan?
I do not have the links but i've read from ONU's reports that before the Taliban had control of Afganistan there was a opium production of 5 000 TONS, and after they took control, they reduced it to 500 TONS (mostly produced in northern afganistan, not controlled by talibans).
Since the Taliban's were removed from power, the opium productions has sky rocketed again (last report said something about 4 500 TONS) in Afganistan.
Everyone had a catch on that war (Russia for example saved millions by passing the oleoduct through Afganistan, instead of around it. And no, the Taliban didn't allow Russia to build the oleoduct in Afganistan).
NOTE: I am NOT pro-Taliban and i agree that control by force WAS necessary and that terrorists had to be brought down. my problem is the real reason why they went there in the first place, and (for me) it wasn't because of terrorism...
Unfortunately, most governments have always something to gain out of drugs (legal or not)
Be Well
@Bockman and all Frihosters...
My comments are certainly my own and should not reflect the policies or opinions of frihost....I was mearly speaking my mind.
I apologize if my position was, or may have, been misunderstood.
Peace.
My comments are certainly my own and should not reflect the policies or opinions of frihost....I was mearly speaking my mind.
I apologize if my position was, or may have, been misunderstood.
Peace.
And, of course it goes without saying that my comments are my own and should not be interpreted as anything else.
Just a question for all of you who think it should be kept/made illegal. Do you think laws should be based soley on what what people "think", or should actual scientific evidence be considered? My point being, so many of you say things like "I think it kills brain cells", "I think it leads to harder drugs", "My friend did it and he's a loser", but these are all believes and feelings. If studies were listed that showed none of these were factual or that the vast majority of users are not affected in a negative way, would you change your minds?
I'm not saying that would be wrong, a lot of laws are based on community standards. I'm just wondering how those against legalization feel about this question.
Just a question for all of you who think it should be kept/made illegal. Do you think laws should be based soley on what what people "think", or should actual scientific evidence be considered? My point being, so many of you say things like "I think it kills brain cells", "I think it leads to harder drugs", "My friend did it and he's a loser", but these are all believes and feelings. If studies were listed that showed none of these were factual or that the vast majority of users are not affected in a negative way, would you change your minds?
I'm not saying that would be wrong, a lot of laws are based on community standards. I'm just wondering how those against legalization feel about this question.
That's what I am saying.
You dont want to use it? Just dont. If someone wanted to pass a law that every MUST use MJ, then it's wrong. I am against THAT... But why shouldn't I be able to.. legaly? People can do Banji jumps, or snepling or thousend other stuff wich are far more dangerous than smoking pott. Banji is legal... so should b MJ.
am I right or am I left?
You dont want to use it? Just dont. If someone wanted to pass a law that every MUST use MJ, then it's wrong. I am against THAT... But why shouldn't I be able to.. legaly? People can do Banji jumps, or snepling or thousend other stuff wich are far more dangerous than smoking pott. Banji is legal... so should b MJ.
am I right or am I left?
One question for the counselor; what medical affects does pot have on a user?
| S3nd K3ys wrote: |
| One question for the counselor; what medical affects does pot have on a user? |
I have asked almost the same question....nobody seems to want to answer it. Go figure
| Vrythramax wrote: | ||
I have asked almost the same question....nobody seems to want to answer it. Go figure |
Well, to take the worst case position, I grabbed the governments descrption. Keep in mind that they have a vested interest in the status quo.
| Quote: |
| The short-term effects of marijuana can include problems with memory and learning; distorted perception; difficulty in thinking and problem solving; loss of coordination; and increased heart rate. Research findings for long-term marijuana abuse indicate some changes in the brain similar to those seen after long-term abuse of other major drugs. For example, cannabinoid (THC or synthetic forms of THC) withdrawal in chronically exposed animals leads to an increase in the activation of the stress-response system5 and changes in the activity of nerve cells containing dopamine6. Dopamine neurons are involved in the regulation of motivation and reward, and are directly or indirectly affected by all drugs of abuse. |
When reading, remember that "short-term effects" does not mean permanent effects from short term use, but effects while high/. Short term is just what you'd expect, and exactly what users want.
The rest seems to my mind to be trying to spin single studies. They use words like "similar" and then, where everything else in the article is written for the layman, they get very technical. " increase in the activation of the stress-response system", does that mean that they are no longer as laid back as they were when using it? They finish up with saying it affects dopamine receptors, "just like all drugs of abuse". and running, alcohol and all sorts of other things.
Later, I may do further digging, but I figured we could start with the governments facts/propaganda. Is this the sort of thing you guys wanted to see?
With due respect to the government (??), but that description could also be applied to a first date with a pretty woman. They both seem to have the same effects.
I´m not saying it should be legal. But I think it´s really rather strange it´s illegal when alcohol isn´t.
Either make both illegal or allow both.
This is based on the info I have been given - that alcohol is way more dangerous than weed to your body.
I have not tried weed myself though, so I cant really say I know that for a fact. But from what I heard alcohol destroys quite a lot in your body while weed gives less cancer than ciggarettes and also only makes you think slower for a limited ammount of time.
It´s very possible though that the damage is permanent. who knows?
But so is damage from alcohol, and that´s prooven scientificaly (spelling?).
Either make both illegal or allow both.
This is based on the info I have been given - that alcohol is way more dangerous than weed to your body.
I have not tried weed myself though, so I cant really say I know that for a fact. But from what I heard alcohol destroys quite a lot in your body while weed gives less cancer than ciggarettes and also only makes you think slower for a limited ammount of time.
It´s very possible though that the damage is permanent. who knows?
But so is damage from alcohol, and that´s prooven scientificaly (spelling?).
Hmm...that is very true, either way you cut it tho i see it causing more crime cause there will be many dealers out of work as a result of that.
| ciaran27 wrote: |
| First and foremost, if you accualy go and do the research on how the first drug laws in the US came into existance, it is a joke. They were created by extremly narrow minded bigoted people in our government for alterior motives. Geez that sounds familiar.
As to weather Pot shoud be legalized. I say anyone who has ever consumed an alcoholic drink, you have consumed a substance that has caused, and will continue to cause iresponcible people to mame and kill innocent people. To all those who smoke Cigarettes, you have made a choice to smoke a PLANT that produces MIND ALTERING AFFECTS in persuit of your lives happiness. That takes care of at least 3/4 of the people in the world from any country, income, or sex. To this day Cigarettes and Alcohol have harmed far more people than marijuana by far, yet they are legal, available, and heavily taxed world wide. I have never seen a pothead come home from a pot bar after work and beat his wife in front of his children. I have never seen a pothead spend money he needs to eat on pot. I have never seen a pothead cause a 10 car pile up on a major road causing 3 deaths. The bottom line of it is that the american people have been lied to since the first drug laws were put on the books. At the same time they were allowed to freely use other mind altering substances only becayse the government can tax them. It is an official legal policy called hypocrocy that the US government has kept around as standaed policy since day one. |
I've heard that it was an American general after 2nd ww that without any further analyses did recommand the US goverment to delegalize products from the Cannabis plant, and then did Europe bought it without any doubt. But nowadays have some sceientists find out that many contnets from the cannabis plant can be useful in many cases. There have even been written books about it. I've also heard that it is being used at some hospitals in California, but I don't know if it only roumors.
Politically would I mean that the police have much and more important things to do, than hunting people who uses cannabis/pot/hash.
My personal advice is as shot as follow: Legalize it!
Cheers!
| counselr10 wrote: |
| I am a drug/alcohol counselor and many teens have told me if pot were legal there would be very few gang problems, kids in jail, and most of societies ills will be gone, except maybe for the few that get addicted. What do you think? I have arguements either way. |
I think it should be legalized since it was planted there by God.I think it is everyones right to to what he or she wants as long as it is not affecting anyone else. People already know the risks they are taking and those are their own risks so why should it be banned.Let people live their own lives.Maybe they cannot afford alcohol. lol
| MWANGI wrote: |
| People already know the risks they are taking and those are their own risks so why should it be banned.Let people live their own lives. |
The U.S. government doesn't believe in this. The people in charge of the system have humbly taken the position of world police. They cannot kneel to the people, accept that a true democracy should exhibit citizens running the government, as opposed to the government running the citizens. They tell us what they think we should know and restrict us of any freedom to discover alternative truths.
I highly agree with you but I don't think officials of the cabinet could ever get over themselves enough to see where you are coming from.