The absence of system has something to do with being rid of any complications that cause us to stress or become too involved. There is a difference between wisdom and knowledge. Knowledge is valuable for living, Wisdom valuable for understanding. Systems complicate everything. We are complicated people from the beginning. We teach our children to go by the system of writing and learning mathematics. All a system. But this emotion inside. What is it? Is it not another complexity expressed through art and language? Animals are different, but only by simplicity. Alcohol makes us stupid like an animal. When what makes us so high and mighty and important???
Absence of System
man there is a lot for me to think there.. hmm... but for the last question if it was one.. what makes us mighty and high.. I don't think like that.. I do not think human beings are mighy and high .. man.. we are the stupidest of all living beings.. Your Dog or horse understands exactly what you are saying.. but do you understand a single word they says.. ofcourse you see dog barking.. but hey he is saying something.. in his language.. most of us think money is everything.. we are the one who is having born criminals.. we are the one who can't feel the nature until it is right on our face.. we are the one who have racial discriminations.. we think we are high because we invented light bulb.. IF we understood what animals and birds language or what they say.. then I am damn sure it will be them who will be teachers in colleges and schools
| swapnalokam wrote: |
| man there is a lot for me to think there.. hmm... but for the last question if it was one.. what makes us mighty and high.. I don't think like that.. I do not think human beings are mighy and high .. man.. we are the stupidest of all living beings.. Your Dog or horse understands exactly what you are saying.. but do you understand a single word they says.. ofcourse you see dog barking.. but hey he is saying something.. in his language.. most of us think money is everything.. we are the one who is having born criminals.. we are the one who can't feel the nature until it is right on our face.. we are the one who have racial discriminations.. we think we are high because we invented light bulb.. IF we understood what animals and birds language or what they say.. then I am damn sure it will be them who will be teachers in colleges and schools |
amen
| swapnalokam wrote: |
| man there is a lot for me to think there.. hmm... but for the last question if it was one.. what makes us mighty and high.. I don't think like that.. I do not think human beings are mighy and high .. man.. we are the stupidest of all living beings.. Your Dog or horse understands exactly what you are saying.. but do you understand a single word they says.. ofcourse you see dog barking.. but hey he is saying something.. in his language.. most of us think money is everything.. we are the one who is having born criminals.. we are the one who can't feel the nature until it is right on our face.. we are the one who have racial discriminations.. we think we are high because we invented light bulb.. IF we understood what animals and birds language or what they say.. then I am damn sure it will be them who will be teachers in colleges and schools |
In spite of my agreement with you that humans are the only animals who kills the one of its same species for other reason than survival! I do not comply with the statement that animals hava a language. A Language is a very (perhaps the most) evolutionized mean of comunication. I do beleive animals comunicate each other becasu so science have proven but they do not have such a complex and rich language as ours!
PS: Maxtoid I love your signature. Do you know who said the first statement?
Never mind Maxtoid, I got it. It was Eleanor Roosevelt.
| risuarez wrote: |
| PS: Maxtoid I love your signature. Do you know who said the first statement? |
Why? Do you want to discuss people?
Just kidding!ok ok I rephrase that one... not language.. but some kind of communication.. actually I meant.. by saying language.. as a means to communicate.. I was not thinking about the definition of language.. well.. we can't say that.. animals communication is limited.. since they do everything we do.. except for things like watching tv and playing play station.. I meant in their daily life.. until they die... it is all common for us and animals... if we have a word for each events occur to our body ofcourse I belive they have it too.. atleast a sound or gesture or something like that... so you can't say it is very limited... we say it is limited because.. they do not write stories... well who knows... if animals.. tell stories to their kids... and about scientific identification understanding how animals communicate.... we already proved that we are stupid that we do not understand them completely.. so we can't rely on science to understand animal communication... just because we have idetified some of the meaning to their gestures doesn't mean we got everything....
| swapnalokam wrote: |
| ok ok I rephrase that one... not language.. but some kind of communication.. actually I meant.. by saying language.. as a means to communicate.. I was not thinking about the definition of language.. well.. we can't say that.. animals communication is limited.. since they do everything we do.. except for things like watching tv and playing play station.. I meant in their daily life.. until they die... it is all common for us and animals... if we have a word for each events occur to our body ofcourse I belive they have it too.. atleast a sound or gesture or something like that... so you can't say it is very limited... we say it is limited because.. they do not write stories... well who knows... if animals.. tell stories to their kids... and about scientific identification understanding how animals communicate.... we already proved that we are stupid that we do not understand them completely.. so we can't rely on science to understand animal communication... just because we have idetified some of the meaning to their gestures doesn't mean we got everything.... |
Ermmm..
1) Animals do not do everything we do....in fact they do very little that we do depending on the species and habitat. You would have to be a bit more specific...are we talking about bacteria or chimps ?
2) This assumption of homo-sapiens stupidity seems a little self-flagellatory to me...compared with what are we stupid ? If you mean stupid as in selfish/self-centred then, fair enough. That goes with the territory of being self-conscious which is certainly not a common animal trait in the way we mean it. If we are stupid because we don't completely understand animal gesture and communication, it begs the question - how many languages do you speak ?
Chris
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In spite of my agreement with you that humans are the only animals who kills the one of its same species for other reason than survival! |
Incorrect.. There are too many examples to be comprehensive, but here are a few:
Chimps - specifically amazonian chimps appear to kill for 'fun' in a very similar manner to that which some humans have been known to do.
Many fish are 'cannibals' with their own offspring. In fact many mammals are likewise. This is only 'survival' behaviour in the sense that everything a wild animal does, in one sense, is a matter of survival. It is not, for example, apparently related to scarcity of other prey/food.
Lastly mating behaviour. Many species have violent mating/courtship pre-ambles which are sometimes fatal. Whilst this is a matter of survival in the evolutionary sense, it is not a matter of immediate life/death
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