... would we still find reasons to hate one another?
Greed.
Greed.
If everyone was the same race, and there was no religion,
ARE YOU KIDDING?!?!?!?!? 
duh. There are SOOO many reasons. Prejudice isnt just based on race or religion. heres a few
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duh. There are SOOO many reasons. Prejudice isnt just based on race or religion. heres a few
- Physical ability
likes/dislikes
political views
size/stature
social standing
people skills (c00lness)
among others.
Seriously. Unless everyone was perfect (mind & body), we would always find ways to hate each other.
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Great question SendKeys, unfortunately its just like jabapyth said it wouldn't change anything at all. There will still be greed, there will still be envy and there sure will be idiots that just want to provoke. 
But i don't think that there can be a world without religion, as good old Voltaire said: "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent Him."
Some people are unable to exists without any kind of higher power, i am not saying that its foolishness or weakness at their part, i am just saying how it is.
But i don't think that there can be a world without religion, as good old Voltaire said: "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent Him."
Some people are unable to exists without any kind of higher power, i am not saying that its foolishness or weakness at their part, i am just saying how it is.Yeah, religion and race are just handy hat-racks to hang our hatred on.
A better question might be WHY some people hate what is different. Could it be an evolved defense mechanism to protect the tribe or pack from the unknown? What is it that makes us hate a member of a precieved group without knowing them?
I can't quote Voltaire, but I do remember this one...
I know that there are people who do not love their fellow man, and I hate people like that!
A better question might be WHY some people hate what is different. Could it be an evolved defense mechanism to protect the tribe or pack from the unknown? What is it that makes us hate a member of a precieved group without knowing them?
I can't quote Voltaire, but I do remember this one...
I know that there are people who do not love their fellow man, and I hate people like that!
I reckon that it is simply human nature to fight each other. Tribes have been waging war since the stone age. Put two people who both want power in one room and there will be a struggle for who is the more powerfull. Maybe it's just one of our remaining animalistic traits. I think that the Stanford Prison experiment would still go pretty much the same. Some just have a tendency towards random violence. That is present in alle the races so it is a human trait. Therefore in a single human race there would also be people with this need to commit acts of brutality against someone else. Krishnamurti said:
But then again Napoleon, one of the greatest generals and commiters of violence said:
So maybe there still is hope.
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| “Violence is not merely killing another. It is violence when we use a sharp word, when we make a gesture to brush away a person, when we obey because there is fear. So violence isn't merely organized butchery in the name of God, in the name of society or country. Violence is much more subtle, much deeper, and we are inquiring into the very depths of violence.” |
But then again Napoleon, one of the greatest generals and commiters of violence said:
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| “There are only two forces in the world, the sword and the spirit. In the long run the sword will always be conquered by the spirit.” |
power seeking people (no matter if we all are the same... there still would be some who would want all the power)... As long as we dont start looking inside ourselves and get our own mind in peace, we wont be able to live next to each other peacefully!
| S3nd K3ys wrote: |
| ... would we still find reasons to hate one another?
Greed. |
Gotta love the "optimism"!
Really, religion is not something that nature created : we, humans did.
To say that human beings exist, but religion doesn't, is very wishful thinking.
If human beings were to socialize at all, they will end up getting segregated into some sort of groups.
They will create something like religion eventually.
And we all know what happens next ...
It's the basic nature of all organisms to act hostile to anything that doesn't belong.
We, humans only take it to the next level by creating artificial parameters like religion and political boundaries to divide ourselves with.
Actually we are all the same race, it's calle dthe Human race. I doubt if there are any other races actively reading this forum!
If everyone was the same, looked the same, acted the same and stuff. Then i dont think we'd have reason to hate anyone, else you'd be hating everyone, including yourself, but then everyone else wld be hatin everyone else at some point too cuz were all the same and predictable.
But that'll never happen. lol I like being different.
But that'll never happen.
lol I like being different.Of course people would.
You have different social classes constantly whining about one another, i.e. " why do the wealthy get lower taxes, and why should the wealthy have to support the poor."
You have different cliques on one another.
People of different political standings who must prove their views are right
People from different countries protesting their country is better
You have different social classes constantly whining about one another, i.e. " why do the wealthy get lower taxes, and why should the wealthy have to support the poor."
You have different cliques on one another.
People of different political standings who must prove their views are right
People from different countries protesting their country is better
| Davidgr1200 wrote: |
| Actually we are all the same race, it's calle dthe Human race. I doubt if there are any other races actively reading this forum! |
I'm with you there, we are all the same race. As for religion, that's for babies who can't deal with reality, you live-you die-you rot away.
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| I'm with you there, we are all the same race. |
That's one interpretation, but not the only one, nor is it the predominate one. Ask a human what race they are, and they'll likely NOT answer "human".
| dictionary.com regarding "race" wrote: |
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# A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race. |
You can change the outside - but the greed and corruption of humanity remain. I'm sure we could come up with something 
I don't think it's going to solve any problems very much. People will still hate each other for how they act or what they say. Or what they do.
maybe there would be no wars............... almost all the wars are due to race and religion difference....
Oh I'm sure people would find other things to fight about. It's human nature to do so, race and religions are just excuses. Even if everyone was the same, we're wired in a way that makes us competitive, so there will always be people fighting. C'est la vie.
well, same kind of animals fight for the right of propagation, we human fight for our love... that's the rule of earth life...
Do you mean Get Ride OF Other races out of this planet?
I think the problem is we care about it.If everyone of us give no attention to it then There if no so meant ''Race'' in this world.We talk it,we notice it beacouse our parents and our friends talked about it.Our children will talk about it just beacouse we have talked about it.No matter what the purpose
we talked about this topic we were being on a wrong way....
I think the problem is we care about it.If everyone of us give no attention to it then There if no so meant ''Race'' in this world.We talk it,we notice it beacouse our parents and our friends talked about it.Our children will talk about it just beacouse we have talked about it.No matter what the purpose
we talked about this topic we were being on a wrong way....
| Davidgr1200 wrote: |
| Actually we are all the same race! |
My thoughts exactly
no religion and no race is not the answer to keep peace in the world....
the are 2 kind of people :
1. good people
2. bad people
they always appear although they have same race & same religion live in 1 isolated place.
how to control the bad people : law & religion
how to stay away from desease and get better children : marry someone difference in race
note:
there are bad religions
the are 2 kind of people :
1. good people
2. bad people
they always appear although they have same race & same religion live in 1 isolated place.
how to control the bad people : law & religion
how to stay away from desease and get better children : marry someone difference in race
note:
there are bad religions
Even people of the same race and religion hate each other day by day, just think about disputes in the neighbourhood or conjugal violence.
It's in the nature of mankind to destruct itself, race and religion only speed it up.
It's in the nature of mankind to destruct itself, race and religion only speed it up.
Yeah there would still be hatred as some others have said, size/ knowledge different none religious/race related things. But i defanetly think there would be less wars!
It might be a bit boring, if everyone was the same.
Sounds like Island "movie". Well, it's impossible. Diversity, variety and complexity always exist.
There will always be some sad individuals who will hate people for being different. If there was no difference they would hate them for being the same.
Just for an interesting point of reference, try reading The Lathe of Heaven by Ursula K. LeGuin
Religion is a powerful thing - it's a little unrealistic for it to be misplaced but as this is merely a hypothetical situation I will consider the possibilities. OK, whatever, I just felt like saying that. I think there would be a bit less violence because religion is special in that people place complete faith in something not completely logical, which makes people in some cases do not completely logical things (e.g. the branch of Islam which says that anything done for Allah, even if it kills people, is justified). But as everyone has been saying complexity and individuality will still exist.
THANKS BUT THE QUSTION IS really we have ^pure relegion or no because when we learn about "islam" we find that it's more logique and more organizide
| majnouna wrote: |
| THANKS BUT THE QUSTION IS really we have ^pure relegion or no because when we learn about "islam" we find that it's more logique and more organizide |
LoL!
Um, yeah. Ok.
The more I learn about Islam, the more I'm glad I'm not living in the ME somewhere.
do you think so??... people don't hate each other just for the different religions or race!... there are many problems in our society in the same race and religion, fact that proves that belonging to the same group of people doesn't mean that there are no problems!... the jealousy and competition on our jobs, schools and even inside our family are just examples how our world will never be peacefull..weather we have the same religion and race or not... infortunately!
Race and religion are completely ignorant ways to hate one another. Actually anyway to hate someone is completely ignorant. I'm speaking this in hypocrisy of course, as well as most people speaking on this forum. Some people can actually give you rage like myself. George Bush as the American president pisses me off.
Differences are what makes this world tick, and natural. Everyone has their differences. If everyone was the same, then the world would be boring.
Differences are what makes this world tick, and natural. Everyone has their differences. If everyone was the same, then the world would be boring.
If everybody was so perfect, I think this worl, would be very boring
But I am not relgious, and I dont see why other religions dont like others, to me it is just stupid to hate somone for their religion, I think because this religion hating thing is getting so bad, religion should be banned in the U.S. That may sound harsh, but it would solve alot of problems after everyone got over from the U.S. banning it.
But I am not relgious, and I dont see why other religions dont like others, to me it is just stupid to hate somone for their religion, I think because this religion hating thing is getting so bad, religion should be banned in the U.S. That may sound harsh, but it would solve alot of problems after everyone got over from the U.S. banning it.
I personally think that there would be more people that hated eachother because we would all be more similar. For example you might think someone is trying to be you because they are so much like you.
Sure, we'd have lots of great reasons to hate one another.
Am I the only one with in-laws???
Am I the only one with in-laws???
People would just make new seperations.
It looks like that you haven't seen the movie Gattaca, which I highly recommend to you. In Gattaca, it's set in the not-too-distant future where people are discriminated through their DNA, as people who have things "wrong" with their DNA have to become - in the case of this movie - Janitors, where people who have "perfect" DNA can do cool things - and in the case of this movie - people that work for perfect missions to space. You'll have to see the movie to get the full view on what I mean.
- Mike.
- Mike.
I agree.
No Race , NO Anguish,
But Again I aagree that the racism is just not in religion it is on many factors,
physical apperaence,
monetary status
many more
No Race , NO Anguish,
But Again I aagree that the racism is just not in religion it is on many factors,
physical apperaence,
monetary status
many more
If everyone was the same, it would just be a matter of time before there was conflict. Some people feel the need to dominate, and will do anything to get that. Religion and race just seem to be excuses to demonize and therefore validate domination.
Wow. This really turned out to be an interesting inquiry. What would it be like if everyone were the same? Well, isn't that how it is? I mean, aside from skin color, language, customs, what more are we than flesh and blood? Bones and a brain? Inside of each brain is occupied by a personality, with preferences and thought processes of their own. Each individual one is unique, and no 2 are the same. Oh sure, many are similar, even among different cultures, but this world is full of human beings with human tendencies. Sadly, among those tendencies is hate and violence, especially for no reason. Or even worse, reasons such as one's beliefs do not conform to others standards. But, this is the world we live in. My beliefs are we are living in this manner because of the fallen nature of man, and Satan's temptations everywhere around us. It is only when Jesus comes back that we will truly see world peace, in the sight of Him, the living, reigning King. But those are my beliefs. I understand that there are those among you who do not have the same beliefs as I, and I pray that there are those who do. My only wish would be for everyone to understand that there is a plan for this world, and their is a choice to made as to which side you are on. To those who do believe as I do, I only hope that at some point in time you will be able to open your mind to the truth and see is as it was meant to be seen. But that is a choice you will have to make.
I think yes we would still find reasons to hate one another. If you think about it, your mum/dad/guardian you like most of the time, probably has the same religion as you and possibly the same race but most people still manage to get into arguments and fights with their parents.
I think what is more likely is if there was one set religion that everyone would abide by then there would be more likeliness of "World Peace" but it would still be difficult. If you think about Christianity and everyone abiding by it perfectly
etc etc.
I think what is more likely is if there was one set religion that everyone would abide by then there would be more likeliness of "World Peace" but it would still be difficult. If you think about Christianity and everyone abiding by it perfectly
- There would be no killing
- No adultery
etc etc.
Wether you're stuck with four kids on a wage of 4.99 p/h, or runner-up in the selection of the company's new CEO - you always want more, and always need a reason for why you don't have it. Why you've failed to provide, or aren't the best in your field.
And that reason is never oneself.
If you can't blame the black guy, then you'll blame the "beautiful" people, the "arseholes" or the people from the "other" family.
Race and religion are just the two most obvious, and thereby easiest, options. If they "dissappeared", some other difference would fall into their place. Class/wealth, music... politics.
It's human nature. It's ambition;
And yes, it's greed.
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I'm pretty sure there are as many Christians out there commiting Adultery/Murder/Killing/Etc as in any other religion.
If you took any religion and had everyone abide by it perfectly, you would be just as close to Utopia.
And that reason is never oneself.
If you can't blame the black guy, then you'll blame the "beautiful" people, the "arseholes" or the people from the "other" family.
Race and religion are just the two most obvious, and thereby easiest, options. If they "dissappeared", some other difference would fall into their place. Class/wealth, music... politics.
It's human nature. It's ambition;
And yes, it's greed.
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| The-Master wrote: |
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I think what is more likely is if there was one set religion that everyone would abide by then there would be more likeliness of "World Peace" but it would still be difficult. If you think about Christianity and everyone abiding by it perfectly
etc etc. |
I'm pretty sure there are as many Christians out there commiting Adultery/Murder/Killing/Etc as in any other religion.
If you took any religion and had everyone abide by it perfectly, you would be just as close to Utopia.
| Davidgr1200 wrote: |
| Actually we are all the same race, it's calle dthe Human race. I doubt if there are any other races actively reading this forum! |
The English race?
I believe he's confusing it with 'species.'
i don't have much to say
that would be a very wierd world
that would be a very wierd world
One way of looking at it: we already are pretty similar, we are one race. And still we form groups, fight amongst ourselves. So what you're basically asking is, what if we were the same race according to the current definition of race? Ans: we would find a new definition.
I'm not prejudice.. I hate everyone equally.
And as for this human race....
When did it start? What do I get if I win? No one told me I was in a race!!!
Can I cheat?
And as for this human race....
When did it start? What do I get if I win? No one told me I was in a race!!!
Can I cheat?
| The-Master wrote: |
| I think yes we would still find reasons to hate one another. If you think about it, your mum/dad/guardian you like most of the time, probably has the same religion as you and possibly the same race but most people still manage to get into arguments and fights with their parents.
I think what is more likely is if there was one set religion that everyone would abide by then there would be more likeliness of "World Peace" but it would still be difficult. If you think about Christianity and everyone abiding by it perfectly
etc etc. |
yes, lovely thought.. but then, if people followed the written law that would be true as well...
(in some countries, adultery is not illegal, and then, it's not adultery either.. it's nothing.. it's normal.. let them be who they want to be)
| Davidgr1200 wrote: |
| (...)I doubt if there are any other races actively reading this forum! |
Maybe you've heard of Bondings, our lovely alien hoster?
| S3nd K3ys wrote: | ||
LoL!
Um, yeah. Ok. The more I learn about Islam, the more I'm glad I'm not living in the ME somewhere. |
Actually, SK, I believe the problem isn't in the religion itself, but in the interpretations we make of them. After you finished reading the Coram and the bible, you will see they have similar entries that can be misunderstood (or sometimes wrongly used in specific situations to justify bad actions). Problem isn't in religions, it's in men himself.
| halflife28 wrote: |
| George Bush as the American president pisses me off.
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You just gave S3nd K3ys a reason to hate you for life there. If there's something he does NOT like is someone oposing what he calls "The greatest American President ever".
| riv_ wrote: |
| Am I the only one with in-laws??? |
hell no! The difference is: I don't hate them
| wombatrpgs wrote: |
| I believe he's confusing it with 'species.' |
If you asked me 10 years ago, I would probably reply "I'm a caucasian", because that's what I was taught at school.
Nowadays, after perceiving what the "race" term may bring up, I would probably reply "I'm human". I would use the terms "hispanic", "asian", "caucasian", etc to describe someone's phisionomy, but people could (and some surely would) use it to diminuish other races. That's why I usually end up using the phrase "I'm human", except when describing myself fisically to someone who can not see me.
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As for my thoughts about anger, they are explicit in above posts. We will always find a reason to hate someone. I'll take this forum as an example.
I sometimes find myself hating this or that user on this same forums (you know who you are
). BUT we must learn to leave with this feeling and get over it. Although I may not like their actions/replies/quotes/signatures/whatever, I have to be able to not hate them. I have to be able to treat them as I do every other member.
This, unfortunately, is something not all of us are willing to do.. Some of us (Humans) are lazy and don't bother to try and understand others. It's just easier to hate someone rather than go to the trouble of understanding him/her.
Be Well
if we didn't want to have hate on this world then we shouldn't be on it =P
as long as we live there will be a reason to have wars
as long as we live there will be a reason to have wars
| roadruner wrote: |
| if we didn't want to have hate on this world then we shouldn't be on it =P |
I don't want hate on this world. Do you say I deserve to die? I think I'm misunderstanding you...
someone will hate something for some stupid reason for the rest of time
there will always be hate or love in this world, thats just how it is. noone can ever stop it! only if we would all be equal but i doubt that will ever happen! thats how humans are...they have to hate sometimes. The tv makes us hate Osama bin laden and Saddam Hussein, some stupid americans dont even know what exactly bin laden did, but they hate him. why because bush and the media says "HATE OSAMA BIN LADEN" (i'm not defending bin laden or anything,its just an example)
peace
peace
Without different races or religions, people would find stupider reasons to hate other people, no matter how small those differences would be.
As long as there is brokenness in our world that brokenness will live upon itself escalating the division and blocking healing and wholeness. So, until eschatology is fulfilled, brokenness will have a grip in the world because we are incapable of figuring this out on our own or fixing it.
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