A few days ago i was wondering about this and really tought about it. I think that mankiend always has wars because were afraid of change. In times of peace progress is ofthen made much faster then in times of war. (except maybe in the weapons department) And in times of peace when almost all can get to see the changes it is more likely that people start to feel scared, because people ofthen are afraid of change. And when people are afraid of change they turn to something the know very well, war. Since we all know what war is in some way or another it is very clear to us what it is so we dont have to be afraid for the unkown. We just choose war because we all know it and i think thats why mankiend has trouble maintaining peace.
So what do you guys think is the reason "Why do we always have wars?"
Actually, its simpler than that. Wars are faught for two reasons. Land and Religion.
| S3nd K3ys wrote: |
| Actually, its simpler than that. Wars are faught for two reasons. Land and Religion. |
Comes back to my idea, it all has to do with being afraid of change. People go to war because their afraid there religion is is in danger (changing or just ending) and as for land its the same. I dont think people really just want the land, there just afraid that if its a time of peace that they will have to adept and thus change.BTW, it's not just "man kind'" that has trouble maintaining peace. There are wars throughout the animal/insect world as well. It even spreads to plant life.
And yes, you could attribute just about ANYTHING to "change" if you want. So there's really not much point in this thread if you're going to refer everything back to "change". 
i am talking about humans because we fear change (mostly in the beginning) not about other life forms simply because i dont know how the feel about change.
Not all humans fear change. Some look forward to it. For the sake of argurment, you could also say we are always at war because we need change, not because we fear it.
Its not land and religion ... Its just religion and money ...
Its not religion, it has to do with power. the USA likes to have power over everybody | Ghost Rider103 wrote: |
| Its not religion, it has to do with power. the USA likes to have power over everybody |
So now the USA is responsible for ALL wars throughout ALL time.
It's true: the reason is real simple:
politics.
Every war ever started has been started for the sake of politics. Get rid of all the politicians and *magical formula* 
no more wars! | Verbato wrote: |
Get rid of all the politicians and *magical formula* no more wars! |
Eh and what about the chaos we have then, no law and order. I mean those are the guys who come up with themPeople think differently and are not willing to admit it.
| Revvion wrote: |
Eh and what about the chaos we have then, no law and order. I mean those are the guys who come up with them |
Oh, no, now you are mistaken my sweet and dear friend. 
You don't need politicians to maintain peace & order. You just need God and His son Jesus to come in to your life 
"Love thine neighbour as thine own self". No politician came up with that law. Still, it says and does so much more than any other law.
A world buildt upon Christ will be a world with no politicians, no weapons, no lies, nothing harmfull. All will be good. (key here is: no politicians --> good ) | Verbato wrote: |
| "Love thine neighbour as thine own self" |
So if you have a guys who hates himself and wants to shoot everyting he hates?
| Verbato wrote: |
| no weapons, no lies, nothing harmfull. |
oke, no weapons maybe possible but no lies and nothing harmfull? 
its just not in human nature.
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| People think differently and are not willing to admit it. |
Yup your right and even if i try to defend my idea, and thats just it. its an idea it dousnt always have to be right. | Revvion wrote: |
| Verbato wrote: | | "Love thine neighbour as thine own self" |
So if you have a guys who hates himself and wants to shoot everyting he hates?
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Come on, even you must have an eye for the obvious here?
Then he's breaking the law...
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| Verbato wrote: | | no weapons, no lies, nothing harmfull. |
oke, no weapons maybe possible but no lies and nothing harmfull? its just not in human nature.
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Ah, but under the reign of Christ all the nature in the flesh will be taken away, and everything evil with it. Including all politicians Cause humans are a violent, aggressive and arrogant species.
| The Conspirator wrote: |
| Cause humans are a violent, aggressive and arrogant species. |
Hmmm... Does that mean that those who are not "violent, aggressive and arrogant" are not humans in your perspective? Come on now | Verbato wrote: |
| The Conspirator wrote: | | Cause humans are a violent, aggressive and arrogant species. |
Hmmm... Does that mean that those who are not "violent, aggressive and arrogant" are not humans in your perspective? Come on now |
I think he means the nature of humans, i mean you can be arrogant but not show it, or its just a litle detail you dont see because some other trait overshadows it. | Revvion wrote: |
| Verbato wrote: | | The Conspirator wrote: | | Cause humans are a violent, aggressive and arrogant species. |
Hmmm... Does that mean that those who are not "violent, aggressive and arrogant" are not humans in your perspective? Come on now |
I think he means the nature of humans, i mean you can be arrogant but not show it, or its just a litle detail you dont see because some other trait overshadows it. |
Then this still begs the question, you are also saying that unless a person is "violent, aggressive and arrogant" you don't regard that person to be a human being?
That person must have "evolved" then. | Verbato wrote: |
| The Conspirator wrote: | | Cause humans are a violent, aggressive and arrogant species. |
Hmmm... Does that mean that those who are not "violent, aggressive and arrogant" are not humans in your perspective? Come on now |
Generally people are violent aggressive and arrogant, there are exceptions though.Because actions speak louder than words - ever hear that phrase? Sometimes mere diplomacy, or talking out the issues, doesn't solve said issue. And that prompts people to use force.
well, we have wars, because people have huge egos. And they need to massage their ego every now and then.
Please in one religiion think that their religion is better. People in one race or country thinks their is the best. This goes on and on and that is the sole reason.
It is sad, so many people die of this...
It seems that almost all wars are started either by an egotistical maniac that wants to rule the world(think WWII), There is disputed territiory/resources(Pakistan-India), someone wants someone elses resources(Imperialism), or simply because both sides don't understand each other. Case in point, the vietnam war.
North Vietnamese standpoint: Our country, our war, our buissness, we will not be ruled over by another country.
U.S. standpoint: We must stop communism from spreading to southeast asia. If vietnam goes, the whole region goes(domino theory).
Greed, miscommunication, disagreement, or just ambition are the usual causes of war. How can we fix that? We've been trying and failing for centuries.
| Verbato wrote: |
Oh, no, now you are mistaken my sweet and dear friend.
You don't need politicians to maintain peace & order. You just need God and His son Jesus to come in to your life
"Love thine neighbour as thine own self". No politician came up with that law. Still, it says and does so much more than any other law.
A world buildt upon Christ will be a world with no politicians, no weapons, no lies, nothing harmfull. All will be good. (key here is: no politicians --> good ) |
Wow! How'd I miss THIS the first time around?
1) You need force and discipline to maintain peace and order. Been like that for thousands of years.
2) Did God and His Son Jesus (pronounced "hey-zues" in my neighborhood) protect me from that robber that came into my house who punched me in the knee and tried to kick my cat? Or was it the .357 magnum under my pillow? Or the locks on the door that slowed him down long enough for me to get a clean shot?
3) Even if I love my neighbor, my neighbor may not love me. Especially if their twisted interpretation of their own religion told them to kill me because I don't believe in their God.
4) It's a fantasy that we'll (sadly) never see. The world is filled with people that want to kill you because you don't believe in their God or because you have something they want. And they're NOT polititions so getting rid of them won't fix the problem.
All we can do is hope to be happy and healthy and free, and provide the same protection for our children. Close your eyes to reality and pretend it's all going to some how change from a world full of wars since the beginning of civilization to a single belief in a single God and peace for everyone.
Lol, I made myself laugh on that last sentance. I think that the problem is that we humans are arrogant enough to think that we have tamed nature and the world, but we have not yet tamed ourselves.
The ancient Romans had a proverb that went something like "It is a brave man who conquers himself". The thing is that very few people ever achieve this in their lifetime.
Basically a large number of people are greedy and lust for power. They take advantage of those who are weaker and less informed/knowledgable than they are, so that they can enrich themselves or exert their perceived power (or frustration) over others.
Some people never learn, which is why "history repeats itself". As long as people are selfish, jealous, angry, vegeful, hateful and even ignorant there will always be wars.
It's only when each and every person on earth actually takes the time to grow as a person and do things for others first (without being a doormat0 that there can be peace. But it is likely that this will never happen, because there will always be those who take advantage of others in one way or another.
Christ Himself said that wars have to come but by those signs you will see that the day of the Lord is drawing close.
When Christ comes back and His feet touch the mount of olives there will be peace, and in New Jerusalem peace will always abide! 
Well... is our natural sin problem that we have since the beginning.
| AG007 wrote: |
| Well... is our natural sin problem that we have since the beginning. |
Yeah that's the problem, and Christ told that these things shall happen so don't be affraid. What do you think about the war now in middle east. Israel VS Lebanon.
Any comments? Our natural desires of independence, greed, and control.
Here's a thought. Most conflicts in history have a "simple" explanation and a host of "contributing causes". The one common denominator is politicians/rulers making a decision that the loss of human lives (other people's lives) is worth forcing their ideas on others.
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war occur in this worl from time to time n it has been occuring since the origin of the civilization.
it is humans who created the war n it was not created for fun but was necessity.
as the populatuion of the world increased rapidly different people developed different thoughts that this world couldnt accomodate that brought variations in thought.
something was needed to normalize the situation n war was the only option left.
this decreased the population n brought the whole world together n peace for atleat for few years.
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[/quote]The way I think about war, peace, and everysingle problem on earth, it is that there has to be a balance, because if there weren't people dying then there would be too many people on earth. And also I think that it is like electricity, if you want to use electricity, you need the + and -. So I think we are always going to have wars.
So you mean like, dark and light heaven and hell of all things there are 2 equel opisits? but if that where true they would need to cancel each other out or am i wrong?
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| So you mean like, dark and light heaven and hell of all things there are 2 equel opisits? but if that where true they would need to cancel each other out or am i wrong? |
Unfortunately it doesn't work so simply. I'm apt to say that "There can't be peace without war." Some people would parallel that to having sex for virginity, but again, these are two completely different situations.
I stick to my "actions speak louder than words" statement.War is in human nature. We as a race do not like having someone controlling our life, but most of us understand the need. Those of us that don't will rise up and create a conflict, because that is the easiest way to get noticed. Division and war tend to follow...
I believe that this physical world in which we reside is made half from divine forces and half demonic forces. when these demonic forces become too much...war is a natural occurrence.
Wars are started by countries that supply weapons. They start wars because its good for the economy, you get to use all the weapons that need to be replaced. And a war gives you good reason to make more weapons which get bought with taxpayer money by politicians from their friends in industry.
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war occur in this worl from time to time n it has been occuring since the origin of the civilization. |
Actually, I believe there has not been a single time in recorded history in which there was not some kind of (human) war going on between states/countries/tribes etc.
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it is humans who created the war n it was not created for fun but was necessity.
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Wrong.
Animals and (espeically) insects have wars all the time.
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as the populatuion of the world increased rapidly different people developed different thoughts that this world couldnt accomodate that brought variations in thought.
something was needed to normalize the situation n war was the only option left.
this decreased the population n brought the whole world together n peace for atleat for few years.
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The population (of humans) of the earth has almost constantly grown. War was NOT brought to being as a means of normalizing, it was brought to take your neighbor's land, women, food etc.
Right now there are less wars and there are fewer casualties in those wars, and the numbers have been in decline since the end of the Cold War.
| BBC News wrote: |
The Human Security Report found a decline in every form of political violence except terrorism since 1992.
"A lot of the data we have in this report is extraordinary," its director, former UN official Andrew Mack, said.
It found the number of armed conflicts had fallen by more than 40% in the past 13 years, while the number of very deadly wars had fallen by 80%.
The study says many common beliefs about contemporary conflict are "myths" - such as that 90% of those killed in current wars are civilians, or that women are disproportionately victimised.
The report credits intervention by the United Nations, plus the end of colonialism and the Cold War, as the main reasons for the decline in conflict.
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The average number of people killed per conflict has fallen from 38,000 in 1950 to just over 600 in 2002.
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| Rico wrote: |
| Wars are started by countries that supply weapons. They start wars because its good for the economy, you get to use all the weapons that need to be replaced. And a war gives you good reason to make more weapons which get bought with taxpayer money by politicians from their friends in industry. |
Oh. That explains it. 
War is typically bad for economies, the US and one or two other countries excluded because of their superior economies and strength. What you're thinking about is how the war brought us out of the Depression. We're not in one now, and we have very VERY low un-employment.I have not read all responses to this question so if my response sounds similar to others statements, then I am glad I am surrounded by cool people Anyways - It is hard to give a single answer to "why we have wars?" because I believe "Individuals" start wars and a particular purpose behind a war is usually up to the individual that starts the war. If I had to give the "general" reason or purpose for war I would say it is "WANT". That is, an individual "wants" money, power, or their ideaology (religion for example) to be spread throughout the world. Of course, these individuals may claim that there is a "higher power" behind them but I do not believe God would give out random executions to those who do not believe in him, especially since he gave us the power of free will (at least in my religion I believe he gave us free will Well that is my 2 cents on this issue.... Power, people is always looking for more power. It's human to have those feelings and even if it does seem stupid there is nothing we can do to stop it.
Its nature’s way to keep the world population down.
I think war can be best equated with the analogy of "How do you deal with a school yard bully?"
Hitting is wrong according to most families set of values they try to teach, fighting will get you expelled. But if you just continue to take the abuse, the Bully will never stop. Eventually you get jumped away from the teachers and beaten to within an inch or your life.
Bullys can't be reasoned with. If they were reasonable creatures, they would not be Bullys. Most of the time there is no reason for them to be beating up on you in the first place (like they really need your lunch money), they just can, so they do.
The only way to beat the Bully is to stand up to him, either by using your brains or taking karate classes. Either way you have to prove that you are no longer weaker than he is, and so no longer an easy target.
Standing up to the Bully = going to war.
Take Israel and Lebanon. Regardless of initial provocation, real or imagined, Hezbolah has been bullying Israel for decades (pushing him in the halls, stealing his textbooks, glueing his locker shut...). Israel finnaly got fed up and decided to stand up to the bully. So, there is war.
WWII - Hitler (Germany) was the bully with Italy and Japan as his nodding cronies. A bunch of reasonable kids ganged up to shut him up. War.
The Cold War - One Bully shows his brass knuckles to a rival Bully, the next day the rival shows up with a knife, the next day the orriginal Bully brings a bigger knife, and it escalates until they have nuclear arsenals in their lockers.
As soon as we can come up wit a solution to the School Yard Bully that does not involve violence, we can end war. (Since God dosen't seem likely to step in anytime soon and break things up, us kids are going to have to figure this one out for ourselves.)
| Rico wrote: |
| Its nature’s way to keep the world population down. |
Nature as being teleological? Dubious. More likely wars are an inevitable expression of basic human drive - Will to power. Nietzsche does not view wars as being negative, rather he views them as enabling progress. That is, progress in the sense of revaluation of values. After all, only in times of decadent government can there be real artistic and cultural expression.
Anyway, it is obvious that during the world wars of the past century technology boomed more than in any other period; a powerful argument for Nietzsche's theory. | Jinx wrote: |
Take Israel and Lebanon. Regardless of initial provocation, real or imagined, Hezbolah has been bullying Israel for decades (pushing him in the halls, stealing his textbooks, glueing his locker shut...). Israel finnaly got fed up and decided to stand up to the bully. So, there is war.
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uh hu, the snivvelt little geek with glasses has been bullying the stronest, most powerful, and most insane kid in the area for years.
give me a break, i don't think anyone is "bullying" israel, i think israel is bullying them. What kinds of country goes to war over 3 soldiers? certainly not the civilised 21st century big player israel likes to think it isI would have to say that wars arrise from a difference of communication that two groups carry steadfastly in their hearts. They will not change or compromise. That is why we have wars.
Because there are greedy and power-hungry people.
it seems to me the only reason war occurs is religion, hasnt everywar in history been based on religion one way or another?
also pointing out, france has NEVER one a single war.
No, not really. Religious wars are really a byproduct of Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
War is good for the economy.
Because we are stupid??? | Verbato wrote: |
It's true: the reason is real simple:
politics.
Every war ever started has been started for the sake of politics. Get rid of all the politicians and *magical formula* no more wars! |
Em, get rid of all the politicians? Well, we created them for a reason. I believe that the solution isn't for them to disappear but do their job well!!
And to get things right, we vote for them, and politicians come from the ancient greek word polis which means the same as πολιτεία (politea in english) which means the total of all the citizents. So politicians (that are created from us) are us!!!!! We have to understand that. (I really can't remember who said this but) " A society has the government that is deserves ".
Through education, I believe, we have to teach everybody and even ourselves about morality and ethics and try to create a justful society for which we will fight for. It is really easy to find blame for the others, but what have we done to change it. We have to make our daily war to be fair, stand on our moral laws, be open-minded and try to educate ourselves. Learn as much as we can about everything, do as much as we can for the other and have a wide perspective of the world. I haven't done much, I have only tried to educate myself as much as possible and I guess I am wrong and I for that I have the government that I deserve.
