[James007]
Because of the growing number of topics on the conflict in the Middle East, the moderation team made the decision to make a topic for everything concerning this matter to centralize information.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5119732.stm
Cliffnotes:
Hammas has Israel solider.
Israel has a bunch of tanks and crap on the border ready to bomb the **** out of them.
The way Hamas has been acting over this, I think Israel will clobber the dog**** out of them regardless.
Israel will NOT be seen to be weak, and that's how Hamas has been playing this.
Should be interesting. yeah, so how will it all end?
| Biodiesel wrote: |
| yeah, so how will it all end? |
According to my Magic Eight Ball: "My sources say 'yes'".
Who knows how it will end. But I've got a good idea how it's going to start. 
BBC reports that Isreal planes have engaged a Gaza bridge, increasing the current situation.
I think that whole area should be nuked. Because it will never, ever get resolved.
Israel attacks, Palestinians retaliate, Israelis restate for the retaliation.
There are only two plausible endings.
1. Nuclear war.
2. One side says "Thats it, were not fighting any more. We don't care what you do to us. We are not fighting and were not leaving!"
Seeing as Israel is the only one that can do that and it never will, that place is going to end up a nuclear wast land.
| Farhad wrote: |
BBC reports that Isreal planes have engaged a Gaza bridge, increasing the current situation.
I think that whole area should be nuked. Because it will never, ever get resolved. |
what a peaceful solution that you propose!!I don't know if it is a valuable reason to destroy three bridges and a power plant for a prisoneer...
Israel's wrong, at my opinion.
| XSTG wrote: |
I don't know if it is a valuable reason to destroy three bridges and a power plant for a prisoneer...
Israel's wrong, at my opinion. |
I fully agree with you and I think Israel wants to destroy Palestinians and searching for new reasons...I've got bored with it and still Israel says that they are peaceful! Israel ready to kill 2000 Palestinian people for 1 prisoner. Oh man every day 100 Palestinian are killed by Israel and they say that they are peaceful forget that!I'm a bit confused about the terminology used in the news broadcasts. It says that the hamas "kidnapped" the Israeli soldier. This is while Israel has more than 10 000 civilian (even children) Palestinians imprisoned. Those civilians are simply referred to as prisoners in the news.
I'd say that Israel has kidnapped those civilians. So the kidnapping score is 10000-1, hardly a just motivation to start an invasion.
So let me get this straight...Israel was attacked by Arabs in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1968 and 1973. These attacks essentially had nothing to do with Palestinians. If the conflict there really were a Palestinian-Israeli conflict, wouldn't it be reletively easy today to stop the terror campaign the Palestinians have been waging against Israel? Wouldn't Israel just obliterate the Palestinian terrorists and kick their supporters the ****** out and send them back to Lebanon or Syria?
The only reason the conflict over there continues is because it's not just an Israeli-Palestinian conflict, it's an Arab-Israeli conflict. That's a much taller order to handle. (Just ask Dubya. ) And when you look at the whole picture, it's not just about land, it's about modern civilization vs mid-evil barbarians. You might call it an Islamic Jihad agains the Israelites. Oh, my...
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Home Fly-By Sends Message to Syrian Leader
Jun 28 1:56 PM US/Eastern
By JOSEF FEDERMAN
Associated Press Writer
JERUSALEM
Israeli warplanes buzzed the summer residence of Syrian President Bashar Assad early Wednesday, military officials said, in a message aimed at pressuring the Syrian leader to win the release of a captured Israeli soldier.
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http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/28/D8IHC64G0.html | S3nd K3ys wrote: |
So let me get this straight...Israel was attacked by Arabs in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1968 and 1973. These attacks essentially had nothing to do with Palestinians. If the conflict there really were a Palestinian-Israeli conflict, wouldn't it be reletively easy today to stop the terror campaign the Palestinians have been waging against Israel? Wouldn't Israel just obliterate the Palestinian terrorists and kick their supporters the **** out and send them back to Lebanon or Syria?
The only reason the conflict over there continues is because it's not just an Israeli-Palestinian conflict, it's an Arab-Israeli conflict. That's a much taller order to handle. (Just ask Dubya. ) And when you look at the whole picture, it's not just about land, it's about modern civilization vs mid-evil barbarians. You might call it an Islamic Jihad agains the Israelites. |
Arabs had every right to attack Israel, The land the makes up Israel was once rules by Arab nations and the land it self was owned by Palestinian Arabs up until the formation of Israel by foreigner for foreigners who then kicked all the Palestinian who owned out of the new Israel. So the Arab attack on Israel was legitimate unlike the formation of Israel which was not. | The Conspirator wrote: |
Arabs had every right to attack Israel, The land the makes up Israel was once rules by Arab nations and the land it self was owned by Palestinian Arabs up until the formation of Israel by foreigner for foreigners who then kicked all the Palestinian who owned out of the new Israel. So the Arab attack on Israel was legitimate unlike the formation of Israel which was not. |
Oh...
| wiki wrote: |
| For over 3,000 years, Jews have regarded the Land of Israel as their homeland, both as a Holy Land and as a Promised land. The land of Israel holds a special place in Jewish religious obligations, encompassing Judaism's most important sites — including the remains of the First and Second Temples, as well as the rites concerning those temples. [5] Starting around 1200 BCE, a series of Jewish kingdoms and states existed intermittently in the region for more than a millennium. |
... I see 
Sometimes i wonder if religion really is something humanity benefit from in the long run, or if we would have been better off alltogether...
This rather silly conflict would not exist if it weren't for fanatical religous people (on both sides)
| S3nd K3ys wrote: |
| The Conspirator wrote: |
Arabs had every right to attack Israel, The land the makes up Israel was once rules by Arab nations and the land it self was owned by Palestinian Arabs up until the formation of Israel by foreigner for foreigners who then kicked all the Palestinian who owned out of the new Israel. So the Arab attack on Israel was legitimate unlike the formation of Israel which was not. |
Oh...
| wiki wrote: | | For over 3,000 years, Jews have regarded the Land of Israel as their homeland, both as a Holy Land and as a Promised land. The land of Israel holds a special place in Jewish religious obligations, encompassing Judaism's most important sites — including the remains of the First and Second Temples, as well as the rites concerning those temples. [5] Starting around 1200 BCE, a series of Jewish kingdoms and states existed intermittently in the region for more than a millennium. |
... I see |
Ethnicity's don't own land, people and governments do. People do not have certain rights to certain land just because they are of a certain ethnicity. Jewish people do not have any more rights to that land than Christens, Muslims or any one else of any religion or philosophy.
The people who owned that land and where kicked off by the foreigner who made Israel have the rights to that land, not the foreigner who invaded and stole it and them being Jewish dose not justify steeling the land of others. | The Conspirator wrote: |
Ethnicity's don't own land, people and governments do. People do not have certain rights to certain land just because they are of a certain ethnicity. Jewish people do not have any more rights to that land than Christens, Muslims or any one else of any religion or philosophy.
The people who owned that land and where kicked off by the foreigner who made Israel have the rights to that land, not the foreigner who invaded and stole it and them being Jewish dose not justify steeling the land of others. |
Um...
Huh? 
Who kicked the jews off 3,000 years ago?Interesting story, They are holding the soldier for a ransom. Isnt this considered kidnapping???
| S3nd K3ys wrote: |
| The Conspirator wrote: |
Ethnicity's don't own land, people and governments do. People do not have certain rights to certain land just because they are of a certain ethnicity. Jewish people do not have any more rights to that land than Christens, Muslims or any one else of any religion or philosophy.
The people who owned that land and where kicked off by the foreigner who made Israel have the rights to that land, not the foreigner who invaded and stole it and them being Jewish dose not justify steeling the land of others. |
Um...
Huh?
Who kicked the jews off 3,000 years ago? |
Um, you do remimber that they where let back in to Jeudea? | The Conspirator wrote: |
Arabs had every right to attack Israel, The land the makes up Israel was once rules by Arab nations and the land it self was owned by Palestinian Arabs up until the formation of Israel by foreigner for foreigners who then kicked all the Palestinian who owned out of the new Israel. So the Arab attack on Israel was legitimate unlike the formation of Israel which was not. |
Forgive me if I'm wrong, as my knowledge of this particular part of history isn't great, but I was under the impression that rather than the Israelis 'kicking all the Palestinians out', the Palestinians were told to leave by the other Arab states (in 1948) in preparation for them 'driving Israel into the sea'. These Arab states then kept the Palestinians in refugee camps rather than assimilating them, the same way the Palestinian government keeps many of its own in refugee camps today. It suits the Arab nations to continue to have a 'Palestine problem'.
I'm not saying Israel are blameless either but I think we ought to keep a balanced argument! | spoon1985 wrote: |
I'm not saying Israel are blameless either but I think we ought to keep a balanced argument! |
I love a dreamer! Hey, no one responded to the dude who was pointing out that they are asking a ransom for the soldier. Was that a point for the Israelis?Is 'a point for the Israelis' a tongue-in-cheek comment?
It's hard to tell on these forums!
In all seriousness, if by the ransom he meant the release of the prisoners then yes, it is kidnapping. But then one man's kidnapper is another man's freedom fighter.
Sigh.
Israel can't release the women and under-18s now (whether or not they should) as this would be seen as successful kidnapping and would open the floodgates for many more.
I don't see any way out for the poor 19 year old in the middle of this. According to the BBC, there are over a million people in the Gaza strip, meaning that it's probably far too difficult even for the Israeli special forces.
| spoon1985 wrote: |
Is 'a point for the Israelis' a tongue-in-cheek comment?
It's hard to tell on these forums!
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Yeah, it was tongue in cheek. Maybe inappropriate since this is such a serious topic, but it was meant to lighten things up a bit. Pointless, I know. But the point was brought up and then ignored.
It would do me a world of good to see discussions where people were willing to listen and not just rant. It is the rare situation that is as simple as people make it seem. Usually blame can be shared pretty equally.Good to hear - I thought it was!
Yup, there's always blame on both sides (or every side, even). Personally, I can't see there ever being peace in this region. We can hope and pray for it, and try our best to keep it as peaceful as possible. But Jerusalem is so important to both the Israelis and the Palestinians/other Arab nations.
Incidentally, I think people often confuse religion with culture. Like conflicts everywhere else, I think the problems in this region have absolutely nothing to do with religion and everything to do with differences of culture. Perhaps I'm overstating that but what I'm trying to say is that I think religion is just another aspect of the different cultures, it's just a very easy culprit to blame these days.
| spoon1985 wrote: |
Incidentally, I think people often confuse religion with culture. Like conflicts everywhere else, I think the problems in this region have absolutely nothing to do with religion and everything to do with differences of culture. Perhaps I'm overstating that but what I'm trying to say is that I think religion is just another aspect of the different cultures, it's just a very easy culprit to blame these days. |
You maybe overstating, but I think there is much truth there. Argue culture controlling religion or the other way around. Quesiton is if that is true, does that help us find a solution?Awkward question: does it help us find a solution?
Erm, probably not!
Actually, I don't know. Perhaps we can stop using religion as an excuse (religions are pretty irreconcilable) and focus on the different aspects of culture - things we can respect, that sort of thing.
Perhaps we in the West could, instead of dismissing other people as Muslim fanatics, think about why these hardline Muslims are attracting young, (previously-) moderate followers of Islam. Perhaps our decadent, greedy society is also to blame.
| spoon1985 wrote: |
Awkward question: does it help us find a solution?
Erm, probably not!
...(religions are pretty irreconcilable) |
Quoting movies can trivialize an issue (heck any qoute does that) But I can't resist.
| Quote: |
Rufus: He still digs humanity, but it bothers Him to see the shit that gets carried out in His name - wars, bigotry, but especially the factioning of all the religions. He said humanity took a good idea and, like always, built a belief structure on it.
Bethany: Having beliefs isn't good?
Rufus: I think it's better to have ideas. You can change an idea. Changing a belief is trickier. Life should malleable and progressive; working from idea to idea permits that. Beliefs anchor you to certain points and limit growth; new ideas can't generate. Life becomes stagnant. |
| The Conspirator wrote: |
Israel attacks, Palestinians retaliate, Israelis restate for the retaliation.
There are only two plausible endings.
1. Nuclear war.
2. One side says "Thats it, were not fighting any more. We don't care what you do to us. We are not fighting and were not leaving!"
Seeing as Israel is the only one that can do that and it never will, that place is going to end up a nuclear wast land. |
And people said I was crazy when I said nuclear war would solve everything. I think I pretty much agree with you. It's going to be a back-and-forth retaliation after retaliation, battle after battle, exhausting time. There's not much point there anymore.
You know, the U.N. could probably create the state of Palestine just as they did Israel, but I have a strong feeling that that would solve nothing. People would still fight - because that's how they've been raised, and that's what they know.
*Sighs* Troubling times ahead. I feel turbulent waters. | Quote: |
| And people said I was crazy when I said nuclear war would solve everything. |
I said that is how it would end, with the Israelis and Palestinians nuking each other. I didn't advocate nucking them.anyone interested see this site where Ive found some factual answers to questions Ive been asking
http://www.palestineremembered.com/ZionistFAQ.html
Last edited by eva789 on Thu Jun 29, 2006 5:06 pm; edited 1 time in total | spoon1985 wrote: |
| think about why these hardline Muslims are attracting young, (previously-) moderate followers of Islam. Perhaps our decadent, greedy society is also to blame. |
Because they're impressionable and immiture. Why do you think so many youths are being attracted to any other cult-like activity?
There's a nice unbiased source for 'answers'... 
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| PalestineRemembered.com The Home Of All Ethnically Cleansed Palestinians |
"Can I have a big helping of BIAS with a shit load of RACISIM on the side please?"
How bout some answers from http://www.israelremembered.com ?Impressionable and immature? Yes, probably.
However, it can't help that we give these people the ammunition with which to shoot us. I'm talking figuratively here, not about where terrorist weapons actually come from.
What I'm trying to say is that:
I think a contributing factor (along with the poison spread by fundamentalists) in normal, moderate Muslims turning to more extreme forms is our society and its ills.
Is it much of a surprise when all you see (in Britain at least) is broken families, no respect, thugs/yobs, young girls wearing next to nothing and jumping into bed with men they don't know?!
I know I'm painting a bleak picture and it's not all like that but it's not hard to see how it gets twisted.
| spoon1985 wrote: |
Impressionable and immature? Yes, probably.
However, it can't help that we give these people the ammunition with which to shoot us. I'm talking figuratively here, not about where terrorist weapons actually come from.. |
Actually, we do it both ways. We fund thier terror every time we fill up our tanks with thier oil or do their drugs. | S3nd K3ys wrote: |
| spoon1985 wrote: | | think about why these hardline Muslims are attracting young, (previously-) moderate followers of Islam. Perhaps our decadent, greedy society is also to blame. |
Because they're impressionable and immiture. Why do you think so many youths are being attracted to any other cult-like activity?
There's a nice unbiased source for 'answers'...
| Quote: | | PalestineRemembered.com The Home Of All Ethnically Cleansed Palestinians |
"Can I have a big helping of BIAS with a **** load of RACISIM on the side please?"
How bout some answers from http://www.israelremembered.com ? |
Don't beleve that, try this.
The people who rightfully owned that are not the not the people who live there. | The Conspirator wrote: |
Don't beleve that, try this.
The people who rightfully owned that are not the not the people who live there. |
Um, this is from YOUR OWN LINK....
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| the territories which came under Israeli control after the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. |
So now every piece of land that was ever taken from anybody in any war any time in history belongs to the people that were there originally?
Hardly ****ing likely, friend. I think you've been hittin' that hooka pipe a little heavily.dear mr frihoster freak Im sorry to have angered you but if yove seen it Id like to know what you find biased there( other than the heading) and you might have noticed that it was written by a jew not a 'mid-evil barbarian' as you call it.
| eva789 wrote: |
| dear mr frihost freak Im so sorry to have angered you but if youve read it Id like to know what you find biased about it( other than the heading) By the way you must have noticed that it was written by a jew not a 'mid-evil barbarian' as you call it. |
Um, excuse me, mr New Member... but the very first sentance states:
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| The Zionist FAQ section has been specifically built to counter the prevalent Israeli Zionist propaganda, |
That, in and of itself, touts it's adjenda and validates my claim of it's utter bias.
If you're done wasting my time now, please stay on the porch like a good little doggy, mkthks. | S3nd K3ys wrote: |
| The Conspirator wrote: |
Don't beleve that, try this.
The people who rightfully owned that are not the not the people who live there. |
Um, this is from YOUR OWN LINK....
| Quote: | | the territories which came under Israeli control after the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. |
So now every piece of land that was ever taken from anybody in any war any time in history belongs to the people that were there originally?
Hardly ****ing likely, friend. I think you've been hittin' that hooka pipe a little heavily. |
if some on put a gun to your head and threatened to kill you is you didn't give them every thing you have and you gave it to them, that means they have every right to keep it?
No one has any right to take something that belongs to some one else. war is no excuse for steeling peoples land. | The Conspirator wrote: |
| S3nd K3ys wrote: | | The Conspirator wrote: |
Don't beleve that, try this.
The people who rightfully owned that are not the not the people who live there. |
Um, this is from YOUR OWN LINK....
| Quote: | | the territories which came under Israeli control after the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. |
So now every piece of land that was ever taken from anybody in any war any time in history belongs to the people that were there originally?
Hardly ****ing likely, friend. I think you've been hittin' that hooka pipe a little heavily. |
if some on put a gun to your head and threatened to kill you is you didn't give them every thing you have and you gave it to them, that means they have every right to keep it?
No one has any right to take something that belongs to some one else. war is no excuse for steeling peoples land. |
Blah blah ef'n blah. Perhaps you have missed the last 3,000 or 5,000 years, but during that time, wars have been fought because of land and religion. Typically, the country that wins the war makes the rules. If you have a problem with that, get your ass out there and do something about it instead of saying it's 'wrong' and Isreal shouldn't be there.
What a lame excuse. | S3nd K3ys wrote: |
Blah blah ef'n blah. Perhaps you have missed the last 3,000 or 5,000 years, but during that time, wars have been fought because of land and religion. Typically, the country that wins the war makes the rules. If you have a problem with that, get your *** out there and do something about it instead of saying it's 'wrong' and Isreal shouldn't be there.
What a lame excuse. |
@conspirator
S3 is not very diplomatic, but there is a point there. How far back is it rational to believe that a territory belongs to a group? Should Australia be given back to the Aboriginals? The US to the native americans? These are obvious examples, but almost every land has been taken from someone else? I think you have to belief that after a given length of time, the current occupants "own" it, dont you? | HoboPelican wrote: |
@conspirator
S3 is not very diplomatic, |
Oops. You're right. Sorry conspirator.
Some times I forget I need to be civil and polite, even to ignorance that runs so deep it borderlines denial. | HoboPelican wrote: |
| S3nd K3ys wrote: |
Blah blah ef'n blah. Perhaps you have missed the last 3,000 or 5,000 years, but during that time, wars have been fought because of land and religion. Typically, the country that wins the war makes the rules. If you have a problem with that, get your *** out there and do something about it instead of saying it's 'wrong' and Isreal shouldn't be there.
What a lame excuse. |
@conspirator
S3 is not very diplomatic, but there is a point there. How far back is it rational to believe that a territory belongs to a group? Should Australia be given back to the Aboriginals? The US to the native americans? These are obvious examples, but almost every land has been taken from someone else? I think you have to belief that after a given length of time, the current occupants "own" it, dont you? |
Sometimes the best thing to do is not the right thing. Sometimes the consequence of the right thing is too grate.
But that doesn't mean some restitution shouldn't be made. And wrong action is still a wrong action and to forget it or worse, justifie it is far worse.
| S3nd K3ys wrote: |
| Oops. You're right. Sorry conspirator. |
Its ok, we've all done it. | S3nd K3ys wrote: |
....Perhaps you have missed the last 3,000 or 5,000 years, but during that time, wars have been fought because of land and religion. Typically, the country that wins the war makes the rules. .... |
That's the reason why we nowadays have the human rights, Geneva convention and other international laws. The military strong agressor can no longer get away with doing whatever it pleases as it could 3000 or 5000 years ago. Did you miss all that? | FunFunkyFritz wrote: |
| S3nd K3ys wrote: |
....Perhaps you have missed the last 3,000 or 5,000 years, but during that time, wars have been fought because of land and religion. Typically, the country that wins the war makes the rules. .... |
That's the reason why we nowadays have the human rights, Geneva convention and other international laws. The military strong agressor can no longer get away with doing whatever it pleases as it could 3000 or 5000 years ago. Did you miss all that? |
Um, considering what this topic is about, and what the Geneva Convention is for, I have to ask you ONE question...
Is there a GAS LEAK in your house?
No, really. You're not mentally capable of a legitimate argument here, are you? We're talking about how Israel owns (or doesn't according to some 'scholars' here) the land because they took it in a WAR.
We're NOT talking about POWs/civilians and thier treatment, as controlled by the GC. The GC has NOTHING to do with the land being 'taken'.
Another fine product of the American Education System, I presume...? | Quote: |
| No, really. You're not mentally capable of a legitimate argument here, are you? We're talking about how Israel owns (or doesn't according to some 'scholars' here) the land because they took it in a WAR. |
War is no excuse for steeling, weather taken in war or not, thats not there land and they have no rights to it.
Stop flaming people! If your not capable of having a civilised conversation, don't post. | The Conspirator wrote: |
War is no excuse for steeling, weather taken in war or not, thats not there land and they have no rights to it.
. |
BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
"War is no excuse for steeling"???
Sorry, I'm done laughing now. That was seriously funny shit, though, I may have to put that in my sig. 
Ok, BOT now...
That IS their land, they've got EVERY right to it. If you don't think they do, then by all means, you go take it from them. Just like they took it from someone. That's what wars are for... taking land and spreading religion. It's been like that for ever.
In fact, give back the land YOU'RE on, because chances are, it was 'taken' in a war or feud some time in the past and you have no right to it!! 
LoL, war is no excuse for steeling, lol
BTW, my posts lose civility based entirely on the level of ignorance of the person I'm replying to. Sorry, it's the only way to get your, err, I mean, their, attention... | Quote: |
| BTW, my posts lose civility based entirely on the level of ignorance of the person I'm replying to. Sorry, it's the only way to get your, err, I mean, their, attention... |
I'm ignorant? Your the one saying people have the right to steel from others.
Ok, your saying if some one put a gun to your head and and threatened to kill you if you didn't give him you're house, you give him your house so won't kill you. Thats not wrong and it belongs to him now?
Do you even have morels? | The Conspirator wrote: |
| Quote: | | BTW, my posts lose civility based entirely on the level of ignorance of the person I'm replying to. Sorry, it's the only way to get your, err, I mean, their, attention... |
I'm ignorant? Your the one saying people have the right to steel from others.
Ok, your saying if some one put a gun to your head and and threatened to kill you if you didn't give him you're house, you give him your house so won't kill you. Thats not wrong and it belongs to him now?
Do you even have morels? |
Yes.
YOU ARE IGNORANT.
Can I make it any more clear for you? Trying to compare street level robbery with full scale war is, well, IGNORANT! The land belongs to Israel until such time as some other country comes along and takes it from them, or they GIVE it away.
Get over it already. Your ignorant little posts here at Frihost are NOT going to change the rules of War. Ok?
And don't put words into my mouth, (or in my posts for that matter). I never said anything about someone trying to steel my house. Though I doubt any robber coming to my house will have a fair shot, considering he'll be largly out-gunned.
:edit:
O/T If you're going to try to make quotes, please run them thru a spell checker and then a grammer checker so the rest of us can see what you're trying to say...
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"Understanding dose not come from a cingle book, acingle person or a cingle idea. It comes from many sources and many places. "
-Me |
it's S-I-N-G-L-E
My Country Doesn't Have any diplomatic ties with Israel and I just read about that soldier in the Newspaper. Those Hamas and crap are actually tearing Islam apart. I actually think that they're crap I am A Muslim and They Are But That Doesn't Make Me Want To Fight and s***. I do think that there is a conspiracy to tear Islam apart ... and look at how unjust the US is (No Offence) They've Nukes And Iran Can't Have Them Uranium Enrichment Plants For Civilian Purposes. (Offtopic I Think)
| The Czar wrote: |
| My Country Doesn't Have any diplomatic ties with Israel and I just read about that soldier in the Newspaper. Those Hamas and crap are actually tearing Islam apart. I actually think that they're crap I am A Muslim and They Are But That Doesn't Make Me Want To Fight and s***. I do think that there is a conspiracy to tear Islam apart ... and look at how unjust the US is (No Offence) They've Nukes And Iran Can't Have Them Uranium Enrichment Plants For Civilian Purposes. (Offtopic I Think) |
I hope it DOES tear Islam apart, because then we'll be able to tell who is Islamic and who is RADICAL Islam.
I'd love to see Muslims EVERYWHERE denounce the methods the terrorists are using in their name.S3nd K3ys: There is only one excuse for steeling and that is survival. No other, not war not anything! If I raised an army and concurred where ever the hell it is that you live, would you think that is ok? If I took your home and what everything you have would that be ok? If I took you and your family as slaves, would that be ok? If I raped and murdered you mother and sister(s), murdered your father and brother(s) and chained you to my basement wall and tortured you for the rest of your life would that ok? Would all those be ok cause I did them in war?
All those things happen in war, they have been happening since the beginning of civilisation and all those who have done them have justified them in some way. But you don't know what there not right, there wrong! I have no right, weather it be in war or not to take your home, enslave you and your family, rape and murder your family, torture you! I have no right to do those and no one else dose ether. Steeling, rape, murder, slavery, torture. All of those are wrong no matter if they are done in war or not!
| The Conspirator wrote: |
S3nd K3ys: There is only one excuse for steeling and that is survival. No other, not war not anything! If I raised an army and concurred where ever the hell it is that you live, would you think that is ok? If I took your home and what everything you have would that be ok? If I took you and your family as slaves, would that be ok? If I raped and murdered you mother and sister(s), murdered your father and brother(s) and chained you to my basement wall and tortured you for the rest of your life would that ok? Would all those be ok cause I did them in war?
All those things happen in war, they have been happening since the beginning of civilisation and all those who have done them have justified them in some way. But you don't know what there not right, there wrong! I have no right, weather it be in war or not to take your home, enslave you and your family, rape and murder your family, torture you! I have no right to do those and no one else dose ether. Steeling, rape, murder, slavery, torture. All of those are wrong no matter if they are done in war or not! |
Oh, I'm sorry, perhaps I wrote it and didn't realize it, so could you show me exactally WHERE I said it was OK for them to take the land?
I didn't. I said that's how the game of War is played. I NEVER said I thought it was OK.
OK???
And again, please STOP putting words in my posts. And stop trying to get the goderators to ban me because I'm ****ing right and you can't make a valid argument to save your life except to say "SHUT UP" or "YOU SHOULD BE BANNED".You know exatly what I mean. You can not justefy something just cause it happend in war! Steeling, slavry, rape, murder, torture, war dose not justefy these. War dose not elavate you from morality!
And you need to be banned for flaming!
| The Conspirator wrote: |
You know exatly what I mean. You can not justefy something just cause it happend in war! Steeling, slavry, rape, murder, torture, war dose not justefy these. War dose not elavate you from morality!
And you need to be banned for flaming! |
No, I DON'T know what you mean. You see, unlike YOU, I don't pretent to know what you're thinking, or how, or even IF you're thinking. Again, I am not justifying ANY****INGTHING. I'm simply saying that the land BELONGS TO ISRAEL and there's NOTHING you or I can do about it.
And you need to be banned for being IGNORANT! S3nd K3ys and The Conspirator, at this point you both made it very clear to all of us that you don't like each other.
Now could you please get back on topic and handle your discussion privately? | Bondings wrote: |
Now could you please get back on topic and handle your discussion privately? |
Will do, boss. Sorry.
Bottom line is this:
Israel got that territory after a war. Arabs want it back. Arabs will have to kick Israel's ass in order to get it, and we all know that's not gonna happen any time soon. I would venture to guess that Israel is more powerful than all of the rest of the ME combined. That WITHOUT the help of the murdering, terroristic Americans sticking their noses in where it doesn't belong. How DARE they! | S3nd K3ys wrote: |
| FunFunkyFritz wrote: | | S3nd K3ys wrote: |
....Perhaps you have missed the last 3,000 or 5,000 years, but during that time, wars have been fought because of land and religion. Typically, the country that wins the war makes the rules. .... |
That's the reason why we nowadays have the human rights, Geneva convention and other international laws. The military strong agressor can no longer get away with doing whatever it pleases as it could 3000 or 5000 years ago. Did you miss all that? |
Um, considering what this topic is about, and what the Geneva Convention is for, I have to ask you ONE question...
Is there a GAS LEAK in your house?
No, really. You're not mentally capable of a legitimate argument here, are you? We're talking about how Israel owns (or doesn't according to some 'scholars' here) the land because they took it in a WAR.
We're NOT talking about POWs/civilians and thier treatment, as controlled by the GC. The GC has NOTHING to do with the land being 'taken'.
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Ok, maybe i should not have put the GC as the first example. But we ARE discussing the same thing. There are nowadays international laws, even for war. GC is just one of them.
My point was that those laws did not exists 3000 or 5000 years ago.
The Israel-Palestine border is not yet officially defined, don't you think Israel would have drawn the line already if they could? They would have, but there are international laws even Israel have to abey.
As for the rest of your rant i think you should cool down and read before posting. | FunFunkyFritz wrote: |
My point was that those laws did not exists 3000 or 5000 years ago.
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Those laws didn't exist hardly 100 years ago. They've only been taken to the level they're at now in the last few decades, and the evil, terroristic murdering Americans worked hard to make it happen, even at the cost of having it be applied to real terrorists that refuse to abide by it, and in fact, use it to their advantage because they know how 'soft hearted' the evil, terroristtic murdering Americans are.
So as time progresses along, and humans become more civilized, shown clearly in their application of laws to war, time seems to stand still for radical Islam, who are, IMNSHO, nothing more than barbaronous savages sawing off heads in a public forum and paraiding dead, mutilated bodies of their enemies around the town square.
Again, those laws say NOTHING about the spoils of war.So, not to dwell... but I found the "War is not an excuse to steal" thing quite comical.
How do you think our nation was formed? How do you think any nation was formed? There was war, and there was land stolen. We declared war on England, and stole land from England... Why aren't you guys ranting about us?
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So, not to dwell... but I found the "War is not an excuse to steal" thing quite comical.
How do you think our nation was formed? How do you think any nation was formed? There was war, and there was land stolen. We declared war on England, and stole land from England... Why aren't you guys ranting about us? |
As I said, in denial lies a strong urge to proliferate justification of that denial. Even to the point of public humility.
That is a large reason why I quit the Democratic Party years ago; they cut off their nose to spite their face. It didn't matter what the facts were, if they could get somebody, anybody, to believe them, they would stop at nothing to do it. And by nothing I mean not even the well-being of this country.
So now we are faced with blind dis-allegiance and profound hatred mulling in the minds of these 'followers' who would happily make themselves heard by attempting to spew more blatent and obvious lies to publically solidify thier falsely justified assertions and perceptions of reality. No matter the cost. No matter how obvious. | Soulfire wrote: |
So, not to dwell... but I found the "War is not an excuse to steal" thing quite comical.
How do you think our nation was formed? How do you think any nation was formed? There was war, and there was land stolen. We declared war on England, and stole land from England... Why aren't you guys ranting about us? |
Can't remember my history very well, but I think we also stole from France and Spain.... who all stole it from the native americans. Seems that very few people can say they come by their homeland honestly.
I tend to accept that the US owns this country legally even though we stole it over the years. Something to think about is if we accept that, can we condemn others for trying to "steal" land today? When is it right and when wrong? | HoboPelican wrote: |
| Soulfire wrote: | So, not to dwell... but I found the "War is not an excuse to steal" thing quite comical.
How do you think our nation was formed? How do you think any nation was formed? There was war, and there was land stolen. We declared war on England, and stole land from England... Why aren't you guys ranting about us? |
Can't remember my history very well, but I think we also stole from France and Spain.... who all stole it from the native americans. Seems that very few people can say they come by their homeland honestly.
I tend to accept that the US owns this country legally even though we stole it over the years. Something to think about is if we accept that, can we condemn others for trying to "steal" land today? When is it right and when wrong? |
Actually, a good portion of the land was purchased. Albeit often for beeds and guns, but purchased none the less. | S3nd K3ys wrote: |
Actually, a good portion of the land was purchased. Albeit often for beeds and guns, but purchased none the less. |
Ive got some good buds of a native persuasion who'd disagree. They claim that many of the treaties were misrepresented, coerced or arranged with people who had no right to bargain. That amounts to fraud and stealing, not a business transaction.
But the point I was making is
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Something to think about is if we accept that, can we condemn others for trying to "steal" land today? When is it right and when wrong? |
S3nd K3ys: War dose not give you an excuse or any right to rape, pillage, enslave or steel. All of which has been done in war since the beginning of time. War dose not negate morality.
Bondings: I didn't have a problem until he started flaming me
On topic: Israel wonted Palestinian elections and they elected Hammas. This isn't about a solder, they just won't to get rid of them cause there Hammas. The solder is just a convenient excuse.
| The Conspirator wrote: |
S3nd K3ys: War dose not give you an excuse or any right to rape, pillage, enslave or steel. All of which has been done in war since the beginning of time. War dose not negate morality.
Bondings: I didn't have a problem until he started flaming me
On topic: Israel wonted Palestinian elections and they elected Hammas. This isn't about a solder, they just won't to get rid of them cause there Hammas. The solder is just a convenient excuse. |
I think I agree with Conspirator on the first point. War does not negate morality, but war is hell. I think the more you focus on morality during a war, the less you have to answer for afterwards.
But, Conspirator, tell me, do you think Israel wants Hamas gone for no good reason? Is there a history of and continuing examples of bombing attacks that might be sort of annoying to the Israelis? Not supporting anybody, just trying to say that no one in the ME is without blame.Neither side is innocent, Israel and the Palestinians. Israel moves towards peace, then some Palestinian blows themself up on a bus full of Israelis, then Israel retaliates, and the cycle repeats.
As far as I know, Israel has been the one pushing for peace moreso than the Palestinians.
They wonted Palestinians elections, the Palestinians had those elections. Its hypocritical for them to won;t to get rid of Hammas now.
They go what they asked for and now they don't like it, well shouldn't have wonted elections if they did;t won;t to risk the Palestinians voting for some one they didn't like.
Yeah, [sarcasm]It's so stupid that Israel is mad because a terrorist government was elected. Shame on Israel[/sarcasm].
I think they're more disappointed than anything. They let the Palestinians vote, and what do the Palestinians vote for? A terrorist government that will only perpetuate the problems with Israel instead of making steps toward peace.
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| They wonted Palestinians elections, the Palestinians had those elections. Its hypocritical for them to won;t to get rid of Hammas now. |
Maybe you missed this in my post. I am interested in your reply to this.
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| But, Conspirator, tell me, do you think Israel wants Hamas gone for no good reason? Is there a history of and continuing examples of bombing attacks that might be sort of annoying to the Israelis? Not supporting anybody, just trying to say that no one in the ME is without blame. |
Yes they have a good reason but Hammas is now the ruling party cause of an election that Israel wonted so to go after them now is hypocritical. They now need to deal with hamas on different terms, not as a terrorist group but a ruling party.
Like the old saying says, be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.
And this is just another example of how Israel is being fair to Palestine, and that the Palestinians screwed up a bit.
The Palestinians wanted elections, right? Israel so graciously grants them, even though there is no nation of Palestine. What do they do? They elect terrorists to their government. If, and only if Palestine is willing to cease terror attacks in Israel should Israel listen.
Actions speak louder than words, and CLEARLY the Palestinians aren't ready for peace.
Israel fair to the Palestinians? Why do you think theres bin a downward spyierul since the 50's? The Israels do not treat the Palestinians fairly, far from it. In fact there treatment of the Palestinians has cause terrorist attacks by angering the Palestinians, who then attack the Israels, which then causes Israel to retaliate, which causes retaliations from the Palestinians. A vicious cycle. The only end is for one side to stop retaliating and Israel is the only side that can do that since the Palestinians are not organised enough to do that. But they don't.
And you forget, the preveus party (I forget its name, Arafats party) had allot of curoption and that was main reasin the Palisteins voted for Hammas.
If the Israel government wonts to stop the attacks against them than they need to go back to the original territory Israel took in there formation and stay there, not move, not retaliate and take it for a while. The Palestinians will loose interest in destroying Israel, the attacks will slow then eventually stop. That is the only way it could end peacefully.
Unfortunatly I believe these animals who call themeselves "people" alresdy killed the poor soldier probably in the most in-humane way posible.
This crisis could be a breaking point in the Israeli Palestinian relationship if only the soldier came back home earlier. i think the israeli people would prone to make peace with Hammas after an act of generousity = saving the soldier.
The moment has passed and now its the time of guns to play the music.
Did you forget that Israel stole there land, oppress there people, assassinate and murder Palestinians? Don;t forget, Israel started it and only Israel can stop it but instead they continue to oppress and offend Palestinians which pushes more Palestinians into groups like hammas.
people have the right to defined them selves from those who would steel, oppress and kill them.
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| ...people have the right to defined them selves from those who would steel, oppress and kill them. |
And this thought is probably being used by Israelis right now to justify their attacks. Cant you see that there is blame on both sides?
Hamas has not been without fault. Please explain to me how Hamas keeping this solider hostage and demanding a ransom is not a provacation. | Quote: |
| The Palestinians will loose interest in destroying Israel, the attacks will slow then eventually stop. That is the only way it could end peacefully. |
So, that's just it? You're naive enough to think that if Israel stops, Palestine will. My thoughts are no, especially considering the Palestinian government. This will just make it look like the Palestinians are winning, then they will want more, and attack more.
You expect Israel to just lay over dead and let the Palestinians walk all over them? I doubt they will do that.
Again I say, neither side is innocent.They both are wrong.
For Palestine, they should not abduct the Israel Soldier.
For Israel, they should not complicate the situation.
For both of them, they shuould being restrained.
The problem is, the conflict has been a cycle of retaliation for decades. The only way to end such a cycle is for one side to stop retaliating. The Palestinians are not organised enough to do so. Israel is, but it won't, the Israel government dose not won't it to end, even at the expanse of its own people.
You keep claiming that Israel must stop retaliation. It's not a sure thing. It just gives the Palestinians incentive to press harder, because they realize that they're winning.
More soldiers will be kidnapped, more terrorist attacks will occur, and I assure you... Israel rolling over and playing dead will not make things better. If anything, it could make the situation more unstable.
Perhaps peace is not meant for the middle east.
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| More soldiers will be kidnapped, more terrorist attacks will occur, and I assure you... Israel rolling over and playing dead will not make things better. If anything, it could make the situation more unstable.. |
In the beginning yes but you have to think long term, but with out the Israel retaliations, the reasoning behind the attacks on Israel will weaken, then the Israels could use propaganda to weaken it even further. In time, it will stop.I Hate Hamas, Islamists, and all violent and radical groups in the region. However, destroying bridges, roads, water and power plants will do nothing except increasing terror and empowering the islamists. If you really think that Islamists are not good for the region and the entire world, then PLEASE don't suppoet Israel in its war against innocent Palestenians. Let's all react in a more civilized and rational way so that Hamas and Jehad dissapear forever.
| bangala wrote: |
| I Hate Hamas, Islamists, and all violent and radical groups in the region. However, destroying bridges, roads, water and power plants will do nothing except increasing terror and empowering the islamists. If you really think that Islamists are not good for the region and the entire world, then PLEASE don't suppoet Israel in its war against innocent Palestenians. Let's all react in a more civilized and rational way so that Hamas and Jehad dissapear forever. |
Hamas and Jihad, civilized, rational?!?!
Something will give though, it's a matter of time. They're fighting a war for no reason. | Quote: |
| They're fighting a war for no reason. |
They are fighting a war against the Israel who stoled there land and oppressed there people. | The Conspirator wrote: |
S3nd K3ys: War dose not give you an excuse or any right to rape, pillage, enslave or steel. All of which has been done in war since the beginning of time. War dose not negate morality.
Bondings: I didn't have a problem until he started flaming me
On topic: Israel wonted Palestinian elections and they elected Hammas. This isn't about a solder, they just won't to get rid of them cause there Hammas. The solder is just a convenient excuse. |
Lets stay on topic, Con. Why do you keep trying to tell me it's imoral? I could give two ****s if it's moral. FACTS are FACTS. The land was taken by Israel in a WAR. It NOW BELONGS TO ISRAEL until such time as it is "taken back" or given away.
End Of Story.
I don't care if it's moral.
Honestly.
I just don't ****ing care.
That's the way it is.
If you don't like it, run for ****ing President and change it!
| The Conspirator wrote: |
They wonted Palestinians elections, the Palestinians had those elections. Its hypocritical for them to won;t to get rid of Hammas now.
They go what they asked for and now they don't like it, well shouldn't have wonted elections if they did;t won;t to risk the Palestinians voting for some one they didn't like. |
It's not hypocritical. It would be hypocritical if they had wanted to now do away with elections. Elections are GOOD. The results of them often aren't."They are fighting a war against the Israel who stoled there land and oppressed there people."
How the hell did we steal it?
We bought the land from arabs not so long ago. :\
It was their decision to sell it.
After that we even fought them in several wars, if I remember correctly.
They want it back? They should buy it back or conquer it. That's the way people gained land from other people since the beginning of time.
About the soldier, we just want our soldier back.
Looking at the situation, I don't think there will be a good solution to the problem 
Let's just wait and hope for the best. | Soulfire wrote: |
| bangala wrote: | | I Hate Hamas, Islamists, and all violent and radical groups in the region. However, destroying bridges, roads, water and power plants will do nothing except increasing terror and empowering the islamists. If you really think that Islamists are not good for the region and the entire world, then PLEASE don't suppoet Israel in its war against innocent Palestenians. Let's all react in a more civilized and rational way so that Hamas and Jehad dissapear forever. |
Hamas and Jihad, civilized, rational?!?!
Something will give though, it's a matter of time. They're fighting a war for no reason. |
Soulfire, I think you've missed the point I was trying to say. | Helios wrote: |
"They are fighting a war against the Israel who stoled there land and oppressed there people."
How the hell did we steal it?
We bought the land from arabs not so long ago. :\
It was their decision to sell it.
After that we even fought them in several wars, if I remember correctly.
They want it back? They should buy it back or conquer it. That's the way people gained land from other people since the beginning of time.
About the soldier, we just want our soldier back.
Looking at the situation, I don't think there will be a good solution to the problem
Let's just wait and hope for the best. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Exodus
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During the war of 1948, many fled or were expelled from their homes in the part of the land that would become the State of Israel to other parts of the land or to neighbouring countries.
The UN estimates their number at 711,000 [1] while the Israeli estimate of the refugees is 520,000 and the Palestinian estimate is 900,000. The degree to which the flight of the refugees was voluntary or involuntary is hotly debated. Some cases of expulsion are well-documented, such as in Lydda and Ramle. So is the attempt by some Jewish leaders in Haifa to stem the flight [2], and that some Arab leaders called for evacuation of civilian Arabs from the war zone. How much each factor has contributed is disputed.
At the Lausanne Conference, 1949, Israel and the Arab states discussed the issue of refugees but no agreement was reached.
The exodus, and the resulting Palestinian refugee problem remain a central and controversial topic in the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians. |
as for the nutrality dispute
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Palestinian_exodus
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Neutrality of this article is disputed
Some editors consider this article to be biased towards the Arab point of view because:
The fact that many Jews fled Arab countries during establishment of Israel is not mentioned.
Proposed compensation for the Palestinian refugees is not mentioned.
Israel's own argumentation for not allowing refugees to return is not mentioned.
Opinions (as opposed to facts) of pro-Arab historians and politicians such as Hanan Ashrawi are given undue weight, while persons with pro-Israeli views such as David Ben Gurion are presented unfairly.
A majority of people contributing to this article consider it to be neutral, and oppose changing the article. |
We've bought many parts of it, fought wars for it and now we have control over it.
Again, if the Arabs want this land for themselves, they will have to conquer it back. That's what I think. There's just no other option.
Anyway, the problem is in the present and this generation of both Arabs and Israelis must contribute it's part for solving the puzzle.
The problem is today, and it has to be dealt with today.
Now, let's get back to the subject.
From the Library of Congress (http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?frd/cstdy:@field(DOCID+il0029)
In October 1945 the combined Jewish resistance movement organized illegal immigration and kidnapping of British officials in Palestine and sabotaged the British infrastructure in Palestine. The most spectacular of which was the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem in July 1946.
In mid-March 1946, the military prospects changed dramatically after receiving the first clandestine shipment of heavy arms from Czechoslovakia. In April 1948, the Palestinian Arab community panicked after Begin's Irgun killed 250 Arab civilians at the village of Dayr Yasin near Jerusalem. The news of Dayr Yasin precipitated a flight of the Arab population from areas with large Jewish populations.
On May 14, 1948, Ben-Gurion and his associates proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel. On the following day Britain relinquished the Mandate at 6:00 P.M. and the United States announced de facto recognition of Israel.
The issues are religious, cultural, political, economic, etc... that involves more than two sides and not a black/white or good/bad issue.
Israel was born as a result of world guilt and their fight for statehood was not without many losses on all sides. If the solution is to Nuke them all as some have indicated, then we would be a central part of the defense of Israel since we have a treaty to protect them, ie, that an attack on Israel is an attack on the US since they are an ally. Do we want to go back to the appropriately named MAD policy ( mutually assured destruction) as we had with the Sovie Union for so many years or can the US take a more active role in the settlement?
| The Conspirator wrote: |
| Quote: | | They're fighting a war for no reason. |
They are fighting a war against the Israel who stoled there land and oppressed there people. |
I just realized something... didn't Israel take (buy) that land from Jordan? I don't even think Palestine was a country at that point.Israel stole the land (and no one say bought, the only land that was bough was a little bit of land that was bought long before the war to create Israel started) belonged to the Palestinians, the Palestinians owned that land. Palestinians individuals owned , land farms, houses until Israel came along and said "No Palestinians can't live on this land any more cause its Israel now. I don;t care how long this farm has been in your family got off or die!"
| The Conspirator wrote: |
Israel stole the land
...belonged to the Palestinians, the Palestinians owned that land. Palestinians |
BUAHAHAHAHA!
BUT BUT BUT.
THEY STOLE IT!
BUT!
Really, are you going to go and change the entire world? | The Conspirator wrote: |
| Israel stole the land |
Israel was created by the United Nations.
They didn't 'stole' it from anybody. I thought EVERYONE learned thta in 3rd grade history class. | Billy Hill wrote: |
| The Conspirator wrote: | | Israel stole the land |
Israel was created by the United Nations.
They didn't 'stole' it from anybody. I thought EVERYONE learned thta in 3rd grade history class. |
Read
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel#Background
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-Palestinian_conflict
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_refugee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Exodus Neutrality disputed!
Reasons
- The fact that many Jews fled Arab countries during establishment of Israel is not mentioned.
- Proposed compensation for the Palestinian refugees is not mentioned.
- Israel's own argumentation for not allowing refugees to return is not mentioned.
- Opinions (as opposed to facts) of pro-Arab historians and politicians such as Hanan Ashrawi are given undue weight, while persons with pro-Israeli views such as David Ben Gurion are presented unfairly.
Really, are you going to go and change the entire world? It isn't about changing the world mate.
You should judge everyone on a same basis.
Right now Israel are in a same category as Al Qaeda in my eyes and lots of others.
They are bombing entire cities just because they are annoyed by the fact that a commando of 6 guys guys could come and attack a bataljon AND capture some of their "ellite" soldiers.
Really how far will these bombings go ? ? ?
Already the Israeli population wants to halt these bombings.
And what I find strange is that America isn't even reacting 
Uhmmmm Israel is a nuclear power AND attacking another country.
isn't that worrying. Worst of all they are provocing Iran (also a nuclear power)
Oh man !!!!!!1 | rafifaisal wrote: |
You should judge everyone on a same basis.
Right now Israel are in a same category as Al Qaeda in my eyes and lots of others. |
How is this? If you’re judging people the same you would see the difference is that Al Qaeda targets civilians and Israel only kills them accidentally when they get in the way.
| rafifaisal wrote: |
| And what I find strange is that America isn't even reacting |
This is what Americans hear,
“People killing each other in the middle-east some more, people killing each other in the middle-east some more, people killing each other in the middle-east some more, people killing each other in the middle-east some more.” | rafifaisal wrote: |
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They are bombing entire cities |
No. They're not. They're bombing communications, airports, fuel depots, and transportation.
Not to mentino they're WARNING THE CITIZENS BEFORE THEY ATTACK.
The terrorists are the ones just lobbing bombs into the Israeli cities with ABSOLUTELY NO REGARD FOR CIVILIAN CASUALTIES.
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And what I find strange is that America isn't even reacting
Uhmmmm Israel is a nuclear power AND attacking another country.
isn't that worrying. Worst of all they are provocing Iran (also a nuclear power)
Oh man !!!!!!1
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We should NOT stop Israel. This has been coming for a long time. The terrorists over in the ME have gone far enough.
It's time to stop them.
As I said, this WILL NOT stop in Lebanon. It will continue to Iran and Syria and possibly beyone. | horseatingweeds wrote: |
Israel only kills them accidentally when they get in the way.
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What ? ? ?
Accidentally ? ? ?
Oh man that is the worst excuse heard in a war.
How can you "accidenally" kill civilians when you are bombing an airport ?
Please tell me that.
It's is like killing "Accidentally" children when shooting into a candyshop
Please stop these kinds of excuses.
Israel AND the Al qaeda are terrorists and are killing innocent people. | rafifaisal wrote: |
| horseatingweeds wrote: | Israel only kills them accidentally when they get in the way.
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What ? ? ?
Accidentally ? ? ?
Oh man that is the worst excuse heard in a war.
How can you "accidenally" kill civilians when you are bombing an airport ?
Please tell me that.
It's is like killing "Accidentally" children when shooting into a candyshop
Please stop these kinds of excuses.
Israel AND the Al qaeda are terrorists and are killing innocent people. |
Pay attention!
Israel is targeting STRATEGIC LOCATIONS.
Israel is WARNING THE CIVILIANS BEFORE AN ATTACK TO GET OUT OF THE WAY.
Israel is NOT TARGETING CIVILIANS. Even in the FEW cases where a non military target was hit, it was purposefully at a time when NO CIVILIANS WERE THERE, and typically resulted in NO CASUALTIES.
Please stop lying.So that's why they have targetted residential buildings...
| nopaniers wrote: |
| So that's why they have targetted residential buildings... |
Which ones? The leader's homes? Where NOBODY DIED except for the home?
Nice try. Where nobody died ? ?
If you read following article on the BBC site