What do you think is the most peaceful religion?
I'm sure it's the buddhism! The islam was spread with force. The christs
say they love their enemies but they tried to invade Jerusalem and drive out all muslims. The jews were mostly victims but in early middleage they knew to defend themselves. The Hinduism was also the reason for some wars. What`s left is the buddhism! There is nothing a buddhist may fight for as the aim is to reach nirvana and as a consequence forget desires and wishes.
Buddhism. It is the only peaceful religion. The others could be peaceful but they all have part that cause trouble.
The only religion that's 100% peacefull is the one who undestands the other religions and accepts them.. and no religion does that!! The people belonging to the religion may understand other religions, but the religion it self doesn't..
So I think that only none believing people can live with the most peacefull religion 
Islam. It's the religion of Peace. And Submission.
peacfull isn't what religion is supposed to be. A lot of people have this view of this happy, quaint, little relgion where everyone is happy, nobody has problems, and the world is a nice place. Not.
The idea of a religion is to do whatever that religion decides to do, but there isn't going to be one that is just sooo happy.
I would say that religion is not peacful from definition, nevertheless none!
| S3nd K3ys wrote: |
| Islam. It's the religion of Peace. And Submission. |
Its not about what its supposed to be, its about what it is, Islam like Christianity has allot of people who do horrible things in its name and the name of God despite what it says in there holy books. | mike1reynolds wrote: |
| Taoism! |
Are Tao people not Buddhists?i would say Buddhism aswell, its not total peace but thats no religion because humans are just animals who like to show off there superior fighting skills (not that most of us have any without guns).
| Coclus wrote: |
What do you think is the most peaceful religion?
I'm sure it's the buddhism! The islam was spread with force. The christs
say they love their enemies but they tried to invade Jerusalem and drive out all muslims. The jews were mostly victims but in early middleage they knew to defend themselves. The Hinduism was also the reason for some wars. What`s left is the buddhism! There is nothing a buddhist may fight for as the aim is to reach nirvana and as a consequence forget desires and wishes. |
Islam was actually spread like this.
Me being the missionary and you being the unbeliever.
I would say:
Hey you there, convert now or I'll will roundhouse kick you to jail.
You would then (Mostly):
Nay, I shalt not convertee unto yee religion.
I would send you to jail and basically you would a) As a prisoner of war who is educated, teach the muslim children basic knowledge.
b) As a prisoner of war who is well-built, work, like build walls and such.
c) As a prisoner of war who is not special, will also work normally.
It wasn't spread with force, it just gave you two options. Join or Work until you have payed off your fine for not being a muslim.
This only happens during war ofcourse. They never kill people who don't want to be muslim but are willing to surrender.i think "The Czar" is right, the force you speak off is something people tink of now because of wars in the middle east, and terrorist acts.
Buddhism seems to be a peaceful religion as it has stated in their teachings from the very beginning. It first stated about 'Ahimsa' i e non - violence.
definately agree with you on that one
Buddhism is truly a peaceful religion.
I find mahayana buddhism to be particularly peaceful, as it stresses compassion for all beings.
Christianity is essentially peaceful, too!
All religions essentially are!
Think of all that Jesus said. Good stuff!
It's human fallability that is cause for war.
I have to say Jehovah's Witnesses
yeah make fun but have you ever seen a baptised witness do something wrong?
| Panthrowzay wrote: |
I have to say Jehovah's Witnesses
yeah make fun but have you ever seen a baptised witness do something wrong? |
Knocking on my door at 7am on a sleepy Saturday morning is wrong in my book. | nam_siddharth wrote: |
| mike1reynolds wrote: | | Taoism! |
Are Tao people not Buddhists? |
No, Taoism and Buddhism are two different things. | Coclus wrote: |
What do you think is the most peaceful religion?
I'm sure it's the buddhism! The islam was spread with force. The christs
say they love their enemies but they tried to invade Jerusalem and drive out all muslims. The jews were mostly victims but in early middleage they knew to defend themselves. The Hinduism was also the reason for some wars. What`s left is the buddhism! There is nothing a buddhist may fight for as the aim is to reach nirvana and as a consequence forget desires and wishes. |
I disagree with some of your reasoning:
Islam - Well, I don't know enough to argue against its "force"ful ways...
Christianity - You're using the actions of men to disregard the whole religion. I thought the questions was what do you think the most peaceful religion is, not which religion has the most peaceful followers. Christianity, in all of its ideology, seems to be a great contendor in peacefulness. But I'm sure many would see the banishment of evil as violence, so maybe it's not the #1 choice..
Jews - Again, you're using your misguided knowledge of Jews to disregard their whole religion. But I think it the same as Christianity--punishing the evil is too much for some to deal with.
I cannot say Buddhism is the most peaceful because of everything shiva mentioned--I agree, 100%!Buddhism. Specifically, Theravada Buddhism.
that depends on a couple things. the first is if you mean what the religion would look like if lived out how it's intended. the second is what you mean by 'peace.' is peace simply the absent of conflict and violence, or something more? what i mean by that can be ilustrated by the hebrew word 'shalom.' i'm no hebrew scholar, but here's a little about this word. it's often translated as 'peace,' but when used in Jewish and Christian scriptures, it is far more than the absence of conflict. it means things as they should be. so when a Jew greats a Jew with 'shalom,' he is saying "may your life be how YHWH designed it to be', in effect, or how God designed life to be. this comes from the assumption that God is good and what he desinged is perfect.
given that, i would have to say Judeo-Christianity is the most 'shalom'-ful, despite the lack of humans living it out all the time.
It is my opinion that Buddhism isn't a religion, but a way of life. There's a difference to me, but might not to you.
At any rate, it's hard to have a peaceful religion, but the actions of some members of the religion should not mean that the religion itself is that way. All religion, ideally, is peaceful.
To me, Christianity is peaceful - I am at peace with God and peace with Jesus, that's just what works for me.
Now, you can say that "Yeah so and so Christian guy did so and so" and run your mouth, but like I said before, can the actions of a few people really equal the entire thing as a whole?
The actions of Muslim terrorists doesn't mean all Muslims are terrorists.
All religion are peaceful....
Its we the human beings that make the religion worse..by bending the rules to our needs...
I think humanity should be the only religion that should exists for us..
Thats the only religion thats going to put us in to one ...
Sandeepta
| Coclus wrote: |
What do you think is the most peaceful religion?
I'm sure it's the buddhism! The islam was spread with force. The christs
say they love their enemies but they tried to invade Jerusalem and drive out all muslims. The jews were mostly victims but in early middleage they knew to defend themselves. The Hinduism was also the reason for some wars. What`s left is the buddhism! There is nothing a buddhist may fight for as the aim is to reach nirvana and as a consequence forget desires and wishes. |
But the thing is, (as I've said before) its not what it should be its what it is.
Religions, philosophies or cultures are made by people, religions, philosophies or cultures are like people, actions speak louder than words. If that religion, philosophy or culture has a history of violence, no madder how peaceful the bases for it is, it is a violent religion, philosophy or culture.
You might as well say that a toothbrush is a weapon. Regardless of what it's intended for, they're sharpended into knives in prison, so they must be lethal weapons. At least, according to your logic.
People are violent--not the religions. Saying a religion is violent because of a few stray followers takes away the definition of a religion in the first place! The original topic pertains to religions, not people. But if you'd like to carry it over to the followers, go right ahead. Just don't confuse the two, as it seems to be a trend.
| The Conspirator wrote: |
| nam_siddharth wrote: | | mike1reynolds wrote: | | Taoism! |
Are Tao people not Buddhists? |
No, Taoism and Buddhism are two different things. |
Taoism and Buddism are two different things, I agree. But all taoists are Buddhists (there may me some exeptions), but all (most) Buddhists are not Taoist.I definitely agree with you even if I don´t believe in religions. The Christians used to kill for two thousands years, but the people who lead the warriors in to the battle were often just full of desire after power and money. I think that none of them really believe in God neither in another form of universal power. They were full of hatred and were the same like today politicians. These are the kind of people that will believe in everything, do everything, say everything and kill everybody just for the power and money. The type of chameleon people, with amorph soul, with the lost heart and tongue of the master of lies. Many religion are abused with this type of people, because where is religion there is also power..so this people are attracted to religion. If the power were somewhere else, for example, in the baking of bread, they will be definitily there. So many reilgions seems to be very drasticall and without mercy, but I think its only because of the type of people who are attracted to the religion. What do you think?
I think the most peaceful religion by far is buddhism.
There are parts of the bible and quran you can easily describe as violent and not peaceful, parts about revenge and justice. Lot gave up his daughters but not sons to the perverted rapist mob and is still called "just", charming 
), god drowns everything that breaths air in the great flood because they've all been a bit naughty, god rains fire down on whole cities, all very peaceful. God ensures all living things (his creations) experience misery and death, god instructs the jews to kill everyone in the promised land, yes even children, and to show no pity, Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made man" (Genesis 9:5–6), could go on and on really, anyway thats the old testament, but still any religion based on that cannot surely claim to be inherently peaceful. Anyway druids arent faultless either they did use to sacrifice occasionly and use 3 different ways to kill the subject, nice, mind you at least the victim was willing usually. | Soulfire wrote: |
| It is my opinion that Buddhism isn't a religion, but a way of life. There's a difference to me, but might not to you. |
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Religion is a way of life, to me.All religions are propagating non-violence but what people doing behind this religions are something different!
Sonam
Do u mean to say, "what's the most peaceful major religion?" cause im sure there are probably new religions that are 100x more peaceful than Buddhism. You just have to write down a doctrine that is more skeptical of violence than any other. I wouldn't join it though because violence is tool of survival, which is more important to me than doctrine. A wiser religion would focus on when is the best time to use violence to protect the greater good and when is the best time to restrain yourself from using it.
All religion is peaceful, but that peace doesn't necessarily remain with all followers of the religion.
| The Czar wrote: |
| Coclus wrote: | What do you think is the most peaceful religion?
I'm sure it's the buddhism! The islam was spread with force. The christs
say they love their enemies but they tried to invade Jerusalem and drive out all muslims. The jews were mostly victims but in early middleage they knew to defend themselves. The Hinduism was also the reason for some wars. What`s left is the buddhism! There is nothing a buddhist may fight for as the aim is to reach nirvana and as a consequence forget desires and wishes. |
Islam was actually spread like this.
Me being the missionary and you being the unbeliever.
I would say:
Hey you there, convert now or I'll will roundhouse kick you to jail.
You would then (Mostly):
Nay, I shalt not convertee unto yee religion.
I would send you to jail and basically you would a) As a prisoner of war who is educated, teach the muslim children basic knowledge.
b) As a prisoner of war who is well-built, work, like build walls and such.
c) As a prisoner of war who is not special, will also work normally.
It wasn't spread with force, it just gave you two options. Join or Work until you have payed off your fine for not being a muslim.
This only happens during war ofcourse. They never kill people who don't want to be muslim but are willing to surrender. |
I am muslim. Personally I think every religion has someone bad in it. Someone that just doesnt care. Not everybody can be as righteous as Jesus(Peace be with him), or Prophet Muhammad(S). These people were one out of many. As you have said Czar and Colculus, is not ethical. If you have ever read or known about Islam, you would think differently. I have never heard of Islamic People that come to your homes and ask you to believe in Islam. We spread Islam through friends and people we know, not just random people. Otherwise we tell publicly.
And as you said if you do not aquisce to Islam then we will kill you. This is very Haram as to say From our Holy Book the Quran clearly mentions; Islam is not to be forced upon anyone. Islam is a giving religion. If we ask someone to join. They may say yes. They may say No. It is not our judgement to believe in them to ALWAYS say Yes. And if they disincline, then we should be very humble towards them, for this is the way we should act. Not through brute. Let Allah(God) decide which is to choose what religion.
I would also like to say, in the times of when Islam Began, back in 500 A.D. In Suadi Arabi it is written in the Holy Book the Quran, that these were the Days of Jahilia. Arabic for Days of Ignorance. Many people did not accept Islam and Our Loved Prophets Teachings. They hurt our Prohpet(S) and threw malace towards him. This is one subliminal FACT and Supporting statement Which proves that Islamic Priests do not force people to join Islam.
I would like to add another mentioning. There are people"Terrorists" In fact that portray strict violence and judgement along with force to people. These are not Islamic ways. They claim to be Muslim these people, but in the mind the Real Muslims, we say that they are not Muslim, in fact they have nothing close to it. This is because they are spreading Islam the wrong way. And the hateful way. I say every Muslim is not a terrorist, but only to say that all terrorists are not muslims as well. Most people aboard 9/11 were of the Islamic Decent. These people have no right to claim them selves as Muslims. They are considered cruel people blinded by the Devils whispers. Killing is not an option, Amongst that, thousands of people will provide you a certain ticket out of Islam. Those terrorists may have been, Muslims before, but now, they arent.Peaceful != Religion... its quite simple 
Every major conflict in the history of the Human race has had something to do with religion if its the outright purpouse (crusades) or just and undercurrent which drives everyone it is quite clear religion is behind the conflicts.
The ideas of religion are great.. however people become obsessed with religion to the point they believe that only their religion is right and only their way is perfect... this obviously causes conflict. Ratman's version of Islam is very different than the version I've studied.. in the version I'm aware of, infidels (non-muslims) have 3 choices: 1. accept islam and become a muslim, 2. do not become a muslim but pay annual dues, or 3. be killed.. of course, even if you pay the dues, you could potentially be killed by having your head hacked off in the same manner that Muhammed did to his own uncle for refusing to acknowledge him as a prophet of Allah.. you can see how much Islam has changed based on the recent beheadings by muslim terrorists
keep in mind that I don't think Islam is a religion at all, but is actually the world's largest cult, invented and propogated by a twisted man who married (and had sex with) girls as young as 8 years old.. he was ostracized by his own neighbors and when he gained some power he turned on them for his revenge
Islam is a 'religion' of submission.. first by muslims to Allah.. then by all non-muslims to the 'faithful'.. it is not a religion of peace by any stretch of the imagination
as for the Crusades.. that was Christian retaliation to 200 years of persecution of Christians at the hands of Muslims.. granted, the Christians went a little overboard in their reaction, but they were being slaughtered and subjected to slavery for generations prior to that.. it was by no means a case of the poor defenseless muslims living in peace and harmony until the Christians showed up.. it was the Muslims who started it all by conquering Jerusalem and killing thousands of Christians on sight
| JoeFriday wrote: |
Ratman's version of Islam is very different than the version I've studied.. in the version I'm aware of, infidels (non-muslims) have 3 choices: 1. accept islam and become a muslim, 2. do not become a muslim but pay annual dues, or 3. be killed.. of course, even if you pay the dues, you could potentially be killed by having your head hacked off in the same manner that Muhammed did to his own uncle for refusing to acknowledge him as a prophet of Allah.. you can see how much Islam has changed based on the recent beheadings by muslim terrorists
keep in mind that I don't think Islam is a religion at all, but is actually the world's largest cult, invented and propogated by a twisted man who married (and had sex with) girls as young as 8 years old.. he was ostracized by his own neighbors and when he gained some power he turned on them for his revenge
Islam is a 'religion' of submission.. first by muslims to Allah.. then by all non-muslims to the 'faithful'.. it is not a religion of peace by any stretch of the imagination
as for the Crusades.. that was Christian retaliation to 200 years of persecution of Christians at the hands of Muslims.. granted, the Christians went a little overboard in their reaction, but they were being slaughtered and subjected to slavery for generations prior to that.. it was by no means a case of the poor defenseless muslims living in peace and harmony until the Christians showed up.. it was the Muslims who started it all by conquering Jerusalem and killing thousands of Christians on sight |
This is the most bullcrap I have ever heard from a non believer. Lol. So wrong.
1. Accept Islam or pay dues? Who pays people taxes to not be in Islam. This is ridiculous
2. As I have said killing is against Islam and as well as every Religion, you cannot say Islam kills for faith. Then how am I a muslim?No one threatened me.
Muhammad (S) Peace be upon him's Uncle, Abu Talib, was a Nonbeliever. Yet he cared and respected his nephew. In the teachings I learn in my Sunday School, and My own MOTHER is my very teacher, taught me even though, Abu Talib, valued his nephew, he was a Kuffar(Non Beliver) was respected. It is said that Abu Talib, had a natural death in fact nothing like what you said. He was in the dessert for 3 years exiled for helping the prophet along with the Banu Hashim Tribe, from the Makkan City from Kuffars. Not hacked away by the prophet. Abu Talib, is not sure to be a Muslim later on in his life, nor Kuffar. In recordings it is not certain.
Terrorists on the other hand, as I said before were once Muslims, But when there killing began they are not thought as Muslims, and have done nothing for Islam, but cause hatred. Do you think anyone likes terrorists in their right mind? No one except themselves.
Next I would like to say that ISLAM is in fact a religion. Your opinion cannot deny the fact. That we believe in a God and Holy Book as our practice and guide. Muhammad (S) was not the inventor of Islam, In fact he wasnt even the first Muslim. He was the last prophet. So therefore it is not true of what you said.
Thirdly when he was pronounced the Prophet he was 40 years old. Another thing is as he got old he had several different wives. This is because he wanted many children not for pleasure. In fact one of his wives, did not give a single child. Also he did not marry 8 year old girls. That is an exaggeration. He was 40 and older when he married about 20-40 year old wives. He also had a wife that was older than him. So once again you are dissproven.
So next time. Please read, understand, and know of Islam before you post misconceptions of things of which you do not know about. This is very wrong and is not to be tolerated with.
Its shameful really. To insult another young child like me's religion. And then to uptold by the informer. | ratman2050 wrote: |
This is the most bullcrap I have ever heard from a non believer. Lol. So wrong.
1. Accept Islam or pay dues? Who pays people taxes to not be in Islam. This is ridiculous |
Do you not know about "Jizya taxes" payable by non-muslims to remain in their religion.
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| In states ruled by Islamic law, jizya or jizyah (Arabic: جزْية) is a per capita tax imposed on non-Muslim adult males, known as dhimmis. |
I do not know, whether these taxes are still payable by minority in muslim countries, but it is true for Indian history. It was payable by non-muslims, in almost all muslim rule.
| Qur'an 9:29 wrote: |
| Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold forbidden that which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya | nam_siddharth wrote: |
| ratman2050 wrote: | This is the most bullcrap I have ever heard from a non believer. Lol. So wrong.
1. Accept Islam or pay dues? Who pays people taxes to not be in Islam. This is ridiculous |
Do you not know about "Jizya taxes" payable by non-muslims to remain in their religion.
| Quote: | | In states ruled by Islamic law, jizya or jizyah (Arabic: جزْية) is a per capita tax imposed on non-Muslim adult males, known as dhimmis. |
I do not know, whether these taxes are still payable by minority in muslim countries, but it is true for Indian history. It was payable by non-muslims, in almost all muslim rule.
| Qur'an 9:29 wrote: | | Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold forbidden that which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya |
I thought he was talking about the present. Everythings happens in the past Siddarth.
And in the writing of the Qur'an it does not literally mean "FIGHT" those who do not believe. It means withstand from those.sorry Ratman.. but just because you say so doesn't mean I'm disproven at all.. in fact, you offer absolutely no evidence for what you 'know'
but another member has already shown an example of where you were wrong, so I don't feel the need to hammer away at you more.. I don't have anything personally against you.. but I do feel you're ignorant about your own religion.. yes, the Quran does advocate violence.. however, muslims make allowances for that by saying "it's not violence when it's done to glorify Allah" and other such nonesense.. that's the same as Bill Clinton's famous line "it depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is"
and yes, Muhammed did marry children as young as 8.. actually, she was 6 when they married, but he was gracious enough to wait 2 years until he consummated the marriage.. what a great prophet he was, eh?
it's a shame that so many muslims aren't aware of their own religion's doctrine.. as well as the history of its founders.. and using the excuse that you're young and therefore untouchable is not a good way to debate
| Coclus wrote: |
What do you think is the most peaceful religion?
I'm sure it's the buddhism! The islam was spread with force. The christs
say they love their enemies but they tried to invade Jerusalem and drive out all muslims. The jews were mostly victims but in early middleage they knew to defend themselves. The Hinduism was also the reason for some wars. What`s left is the buddhism! There is nothing a buddhist may fight for as the aim is to reach nirvana and as a consequence forget desires and wishes. |
I believe that religion is personal. Thus the most peaceful religion is the religion of the most peaceful man. | Soulfire wrote: |
| All religion is peaceful, but that peace doesn't necessarily remain with all followers of the religion. |
I would have to disagree. Some religion most certainly preaches violence and hatred. | JoeFriday wrote: |
| and yes, Muhammed did marry children as young as 8.. actually, she was 6 when they married, but he was gracious enough to wait 2 years until he consummated the marriage.. what a great prophet he was, eh? |
Her name was Aisha.I think all religion are peaceful but the people which are said to be followers
(which are indeed not) are not peaceful.
All religions say for good things dont lie , dont kill any body , dont do fraud
but what the followers of religion do they do against that...
Jesus(peace be upon him ) was vey peaceful man ....what he said when some slaps your sheck
give him other .....
budha was also peaseful ....
islam ...well literally meaning of islam is peace ...
Muhammad (peace be upon him ) was peaceful man he did not done any fight without reason (self defance) he told about animal rights in that time when people where treated as animals
SELF DIFFANCE IS NOT TERROR IT IS RIGHT AND IT IS NOT BRAKING OF PEACE
so killing small children in a Beslan school is self defense? ahh.. I'm glad we cleared that up
and flying planes into a skyscraper full of people going about their daily work schedule.. self defense.. yeah, I can almost see that
Islam.. the Religion Of Peace
list all the terrorist attacks in the past 10 years.. I'd venture to say that 99% of them were committed by muslims
perhaps the muslims are a little off track these days.. but as I've said before, I think they're just 'staying the course'.. Islam has always been a religion of force and subjugation, starting with Muhammed
| JoeFriday wrote: |
Ratman's version of Islam is very different than the version I've studied.. in the version I'm aware of, infidels (non-muslims) have 3 choices: 1. accept islam and become a muslim, 2. do not become a muslim but pay annual dues, or 3. be killed.. of course, even if you pay the dues, you could potentially be killed by having your head hacked off in the same manner that Muhammed did to his own uncle for refusing to acknowledge him as a prophet of Allah.. you can see how much Islam has changed based on the recent beheadings by muslim terrorists
keep in mind that I don't think Islam is a religion at all, but is actually the world's largest cult, invented and propogated by a twisted man who married (and had sex with) girls as young as 8 years old.. he was ostracized by his own neighbors and when he gained some power he turned on them for his revenge
Islam is a 'religion' of submission.. first by muslims to Allah.. then by all non-muslims to the 'faithful'.. it is not a religion of peace by any stretch of the imagination
as for the Crusades.. that was Christian retaliation to 200 years of persecution of Christians at the hands of Muslims.. granted, the Christians went a little overboard in their reaction, but they were being slaughtered and subjected to slavery for generations prior to that.. it was by no means a case of the poor defenseless muslims living in peace and harmony until the Christians showed up.. it was the Muslims who started it all by conquering Jerusalem and killing thousands of Christians on sight |
Are you talking about Mr. Abu Lahab? Ey ...
I never read those things. It may be a conspiracy to stop people from wanting to convert ...
Beslan Siege.
Russians sent in T-72s or T-80s that actually killed the children. Them Spetznases were also careless. Not Muslims.
Hey hey hey, I am not being forced to be a Muslim. I just chose not to convert to other religions that could get me a place under. | JoeFriday wrote: |
| and yes, Muhammed did marry children as young as 8.. actually, she was 6 when they married, but he was gracious enough to wait 2 years until he consummated the marriage.. what a great prophet he was, eh? |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#Age_at_marriage
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| The age of Aisha at marriage is an unsettled issue, and the subject of increasing attention in recent years. There are several hadiths (said to have been narrated by Aisha herself) which state she was six or seven years old when betrothed and nine years old when married or when the marriage was consummated, but other traditional material (hadith, sira, etc.) suggests that Aisha may have been anywhere from twelve to nineteen years old when she married. It is possible that she was eight or nine years of age (or older) when a deal was made for marriage, but that the marraige did not actually take place until four years later. |
Arranged marriages were common back then. Marriages were often arranged when the person to be wed was a child and girls where could marry at 13 and 14 years old. | The Czar wrote: |
Beslan Siege.
Russians sent in T-72s or T-80s that actually killed the children. Them Spetznases were also careless. Not Muslims. |
that's bullsh*t on two levels.. first of all, the muslims instigated the whole siege by taking over 1200 people (mostly children) hostage at gunpoint
stories abound of children being forced to drink their own urine and eat flowers off the teachers' desks because they were denied food and water for 3 days.. and when one child asked for a glass of water, he was bayoneted in the stomach by his captor
then there are the stories of the teenage girls being raped on video in the same room
as the russians stormed the school to end the atrocities, the muslim gunmen shot the escaping children in the back
tell me there's any sort of person other than a sick psychopath who would do something like thatJoeFriday: Why do people like you insist on demonizing Islam? Are you aware of the atrocity's committed by Christens, Jews and Hindus? Do you judge the whole of Christianity based on the crusades, the inquisition, the oppression of many culture and people in the name of Christianity and Pat Robertson?
Instead of blaming the religion, look at the circumstances that lead up to the currant situation's.
because I don't believe Islam is a true religion.. as I said in a previous post, I think it's the world's largest cult, run by crazies
but hey, that's just my opinion.. I'm not claiming to know for sure
and yep, I'm aware of the atrocities committed by Christians, Jews and Hindus.. but this particular discussion veered onto the topic of Islam being so peaceful and I disputed that, based on facts
I never said Christianity was the most peaceful religion, did I? But I'm pretty sure Pat Robertson has never hacked anyone's head off, or even advocated doing so
yet, Islam does actually advocate that very thing.. so I'm not demonizing Islam.. I'm just pointing out the violence inherent in the religion
Oooo ... See ... Around 300 children died at Beslan. Discovery channel never said anything about bayoneted children. It did however say that the Russian Military assaulted the school with tanks and the first one starting it was a confused grenadier. Or was he really aware ... Its a conspiracy ... It will never be known like who really killed JFK??
The fact that large numbers of children were shot in the back was reported all across the American and European media. But instead you focus on the isolated bayoneting reference. How convenient.
It will never be known? What a manipulative argument. No one who isn't trying to defeend terrorists have any uncertainty about it.
Why are you trying to defend terrorist? The Sufis in Chechnia don’t, the exiled government condemned the attack on the school in no uncertain terms.
The Qur’an is a book of religious bigotry that accuses most Jews and Christians of trying to make Muslims disbelieve for dishonest reasons, does it not?
What!? I don't defend terrorists. I am only defending my religion. The terrorists aren't Muslims. For me atleast. If they were Muslims ... They wouldn't have killed or taken children hostage. Obvious that they aren't Muslims who wanted people to think they were Muslims in order to bring bad reputation to Islam. They could be Muslims that strayed too far. The footage of the Grenadier was cool ... Is that truly in the Qur'an?
I did read however that Muslims shant make friends or believe other non-muslims ey ... What I am actually doing here huh? Should I believe you?
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What do you think is the most peaceful religion?
I'm sure it's the buddhism! The islam was spread with force. The christs
say they love their enemies but they tried to invade Jerusalem and drive out all muslims. The jews were mostly victims but in early middleage they knew to defend themselves. The Hinduism was also the reason for some wars. What`s left is the buddhism! There is nothing a buddhist may fight for as the aim is to reach nirvana and as a consequence forget desires and wishes. |
I think when you say Islam is spread by force, perhaps you are referring to the terrorist attacks? That's pretty harsh. I myself is a stubborn science-believer, but do you know some of the medieval crusaders actually fought for money, not their religion? Then you can hardly call Christianity violent, because it is simply not the reason why some men decide to join the war. Do you know Islam is the second largest religion in the world? And how many terrorists are there? Every religion have their 'bad guys' who commit crime under the name of their god, but they alone does not change the whole group. My classmates and I have just undergone detailed study of the religion Islam and we learned that many Muslim missionaries actually spread their religion through trade, not force. So my opinion is that there is no 'most peaceful' religion. There's only people who doesn't know what's good for humanity and use their religion as an excuse for their crimes. | JoeFriday wrote: |
because I don't believe Islam is a true religion.. as I said in a previous post, I think it's the world's largest cult, run by crazies
but hey, that's just my opinion.. I'm not claiming to know for sure
and yep, I'm aware of the atrocities committed by Christians, Jews and Hindus.. but this particular discussion veered onto the topic of Islam being so peaceful and I disputed that, based on facts
I never said Christianity was the most peaceful religion, did I? But I'm pretty sure Pat Robertson has never hacked anyone's head off, or even advocated doing so
yet, Islam does actually advocate that very thing.. so I'm not demonizing Islam.. I'm just pointing out the violence inherent in the religion |
1. Why is Islam a cult? If Islam is a cult than so is Christianity and Judaism.
2. Have you read the bible? Theres more violence in the name of God than in the Qu'ron. Its only when people look only at the parts that seem to justify violence dose it become bad but thats not the Qu'ron as a whole.
3. Don't genres, Islam is a very large and very diverse religion, no one group, version, belief represents Islam as a whole.By far, I would agree it has to be Buddhism since I don't think it has fought any wars in its name.
The very basis for Buddhism is inherently peace of mind. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. 
I'm not Buddhist myself (I'm Catholic), but I do have a father who embraces Buddhism because of this peace of mind he yearns for. To a certain extent, I agree with Soulfire that Buddhism is not a religion, but a way of life and a belief in the goodness of all mankind. Buddha isn't God. Buddhists do not call Buddha their God or Shen in Chinese. He is simply an Indian prince (still very much human) who has attained divinity through meditation and good work. I think every staunch Buddhist's goal in life is to follow in the footsteps of Buddha to attain divinity. They believe anyone can. Once again, correct me if I'm wrong.
This basis of Buddhism is then pretty different from other religions such as Christianity and Islam, where one ultimate God is omnipresent and omnipotent. One can argue that Jesus Christ Himself is human just like Buddha. But let us not forget Jesus is the Son of God, who was with God in heaven, but was given to mankind as the key to eternal life.
However the foundation of all religions is to attain peace of mind, enjoy true happiness and to love our neighbours, isn't it? But essentially, man is the perpetrator of all wars fought in the name of religion and of God Himself. One cannot judge the goodness of a religion by how peaceful it is or if it has fought any religious wars. This does not reflect the goodness of religion at all. All religions are inherently good, I must stress. We should keep in mind that religion is man-made, but God isn't. He is divine, if you believe in Him that is.
But that's just me. Just my two cents' worth. | The Conspirator wrote: |
1. Why is Islam a cult? If Islam is a cult than so is Christianity and Judaism.
2. Have you read the bible? Theres more violence in the name of God than in the Qu'ron. Its only when people look only at the parts that seem to justify violence dose it become bad but thats not the Qu'ron as a whole.
3. Don't genres, Islam is a very large and very diverse religion, no one group, version, belief represents Islam as a whole. |
1. because I believe Muhammed claimed to be the voice of God, but was actually a con-man.. it's more likely that he was an epileptic who had 'visions', but later used his influence to manipulate (and kill) people.. there's not much difference between him and Jim Jones from Jonestown, IMO.. was the religion that Jim Jones advocating anything more than a cult? uh huh
to the best of my knowledge, there is no evidence that anything Muhammed said was factual or the word of God.. while there is plenty of evidence that the Bible is based on real events.. of course the 'miracles' have to be taken on faith, but they are more than just stories or laws that are decreed in order to make the leader of that faith more comfortable.. whereas about 80% of the Quran is laws that Muhammed said God decreed right at a time when it helps out Muhammed's lifestyle.. how convenient.. then there is also the fact that there are major contradictions in between various sections of the Quran.. how could that be if it's the word of God??
oh, and what about the Satanic Verses? you remember those.. the early parts of the Quran where Muhammed tried to get the 'people of the book' (jews and christians) to join together with him.. when they laughed at him and called him a fake, he changed his tune and decided it would be jihad against them for all eternity.. he wasn't exactly the forgive and forget kind of guy, it seems.. so what could he do about those early verses of the Quran where he urged his followers to accept the jews and christians? well the obvious answer is to claim insanity.. which he did, in a way.. he claimed that those verses were actually dictated to him by Satan, and not by God.. wow, if only that would have worked for Son of Sam! but to this day, those verses (that came from Muhammed himself) are now banned in all of Islam.. and death be to anyone who publishes them.. gee, this doesn't sound cultish at all, does it?
2. yep, I've read the Bible.. you're absolutely right about there being a lot of violence.. God was a fairly vengeful being in His early days.. but that changed dramatically when Moses showed up.. He started to soften up.. and was pretty mellow when He sent Jesus down to give us a lifeline.. the Bible no longer advocates violence in any way.. the Quran does
3. muslims are a diverse group.. Islam is not.. the core of Islam is the same now as it was centuries ago.. it oppresses women in ways that no other society does.. Islam is totally intolerant of other religions, too.. perhaps liberal muslims are (and my comments have nothing to do with individuals), but Islam doesn't tolerate diversity
at least that's how I see itLots of anger here in discussing the most peaceful religion... a little ironic.
I skimmed the posts so I missed these being posted, forgive me.
Buddhism maybe a god choice, not sure
Consider The Bahá’í Faith or The Religious Society of Friends (Quakers).
I don't think you can find a group less violent than the Quakers.
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| 1. because I believe Muhammed claimed to be the voice of God, but was actually a con-man.. it's more likely that he was an epileptic who had 'visions', but later used his influence to manipulate (and kill) people.. there's not much difference between him and Jim Jones from Jonestown, IMO.. was the religion that Jim Jones advocating anything more than a cult? uh huh |
So a religion that come from a person who claimed to here the voice of god is a cult but a religion that says a man was burn of a virgin, died and was then came back to life and was God is not?
There is very little evidence to support most of the bible. There isn't even evidence out side the bible of the existence of Jesus from the time of Jesus.
Thats hypacridical.
Only when you take certain passages by them selves, but if you look at the Qu'ran as a whole it dose only in certain circumstances.
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| muslims are a diverse group.. Islam is not. |
Islam is a religion, religions are made by people. If the people are diverse, the religion is diverse.JoeFriday ... Can your prophet split the moon ... with his bare hands?
Thats what people say about Muhammad. What about Jesus? Is he not like Muhammad?
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| Buddha isn't God. Buddhists do not call Buddha their God or Shen in Chinese. |
This is not entirely true, the Tibetan Buddists have a concept identical to the Trinity. The Trikaya, or three bodies of God, correspond precisely to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. | The Conspirator wrote: |
| Islam is a religion, religions are made by people. If the people are diverse, the religion is diverse. |
sure.. in the same way that if a prison is built by free people, it is therefore a place of freedom 
no.. the reality is that Islam has VERY rigid rules.. it is not diverse at all.. the people who claim to be muslims might be diverse, but the religion is not.. your claim might be that because Islam will accept any race, it is diverse.. but the religion itself does not allow diverse lifestyles or thoughtsIm not going argue Islam here, doesnt seem like the right thread. As to the most peaceful religion being Buddhism, let me just post this.
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| Buddhist monasteries were also large landholders, and they were expanding in size as Buddhist temples were expanding in wealth. Buddhist estates had their own armies - armed monks called acuso. And occasionally they fought against each other, against some other expanding estate, or against the government in Kyoto. |
Japan, Buddhism and Warlords
Their history has not been comletely benign.
I still hold the Bahá’í, the Quakers and as someone else said, the Jevoah's Witnesses as being better candidates for most peaceful
Anyone care to discuss the topic? | HoboPelican wrote: |
Im not going argue Islam here, doesnt seem like the right thread. As to the most peaceful religion being Buddhism, let me just post this.
| Quote: | | Buddhist monasteries were also large landholders, and they were expanding in size as Buddhist temples were expanding in wealth. Buddhist estates had their own armies - armed monks called acuso. And occasionally they fought against each other, against some other expanding estate, or against the government in Kyoto. |
Japan, Buddhism and Warlords
Their history has not been comletely benign.
Anyone care to discuss the topic? |
But those wars were not for religion. Those wars were not to force Buddhism on non-buddhists. Will you accuse buddhism for Japan being involved in 2nd world war, because Japan is a buddhist country? Japan also attacked China (another buddhist country), but is was not for religion, was it?
On the other hand, Islam openely advocate Jihad, war against non-muslims. The Crusades of Christians were for religion.
Buddhists have also fight many wars, to protect themselves or to expand there empire. But they have never fought wars on name of religion.If we are talking about the teachings of the religions, I'd have to go with christianity. Love thy enemy, turn the other cheek, forgive those who trespass against you. It's really all about love and forgiveness.
Most peaceful religion? what an interesting topic! What is Peace? Without Conflict? Harmony with All? What religion advocates absolute acceptance and integration with All? Buddhusim perhaps advocates that ideal in the journey of the soul to attain a enlightenment. Taoism advocates the ideal that an absolute Harmony exists amonst All Things. Yet I am unsure if these two religions have tolerance for other religions. If not then complete Harmony cannot exist and therefore neither can absolute peace.
The Sadhus adhere to an ideal that advocates Harmony with All. In fact that is all that the Saduhs do. These people after living fulfilling lives reject everything--right down to the shirt on thier backs, and live a life to obtain enlightenment: Absolute Peace.
http://www.adolphus.nl/sadhus/ | nam_siddharth wrote: |
But those wars were not for religion. Those wars were not to force Buddhism on non-buddhists. Will you accuse buddhism for Japan being involved in 2nd world war, because Japan is a buddhist country? Japan also attacked China (another buddhist country), but is was not for religion, was it?
On the other hand, Islam openely advocate Jihad, war against non-muslims. The Crusades of Christians were for religion.
Buddhists have also fight many wars, to protect themselves or to expand there empire. But they have never fought wars on name of religion. |
Sorry, I'm not accusing anyone or anything. The topic was the about most peaceful religion. Buddhism was being held up as a contender and I was just pointing out that while in general they are a peaceful religion, they do fight. Quakers on the other hand do not. As far as I am aware, they are not allowed to fight. The are not drafted and are listed as Conscientious Objectors. I think that is true with the other 2 religions I mentioned. It seems that religions that do not allow fighting would be considered more peaceful than one that simply tries to avoid it. | ralphbefree wrote: |
Most peaceful religion? what an interesting topic! What is Peace? Without Conflict? Harmony with All? What religion advocates absolute acceptance and integration with All? Buddhusim perhaps advocates that ideal in the journey of the soul to attain a enlightenment. Taoism advocates the ideal that an absolute Harmony exists amonst All Things. Yet I am unsure if these two religions have tolerance for other religions. If not then complete Harmony cannot exist and therefore neither can absolute peace.
The Sadhus adhere to an ideal that advocates Harmony with All. In fact that is all that the Saduhs do. These people after living fulfilling lives reject everything--right down to the shirt on thier backs, and live a life to obtain enlightenment: Absolute Peace.
http://www.adolphus.nl/sadhus/ |
May I know, what is religion of those Sadhus? It si neccessory to know, because it is a topic on religion. If religion of those Sadhus is hinduism, then are you sure Hinduism is a religion of peace? 
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There is very little evidence to support most of the bible. There isn't even evidence out side the bible of the existence of Jesus from the time of Jesus.
Thats hypacridical.
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Acctualy, there is quite a bit of evidence to support the Bible in numerous ways. For example, the Jewish historian Josephus, who worked for the Roman empire, wrote about Christians within about 15-20 years of the time Jesus is believed to be crucified. that's hardly time for a legand to be made. furthermore, there is considerable acrhlogical evidence and other written accounts that back the Bible.Religions were designed for peace but how people acted to spread them weren't always peaceful. So you can't say what religion is most peaceful you should say which people acted the most peacefully to spread the religion. I do agree and think that buddhism is porblably the most peacefully spread. 
I'm new to the forum and I thought this was an interesting topic to post on. There are a few "peaceful" religions out there. Buddists, are certainly one of my top 2 on the "Peaceful" list. the other is what I am. I am a Pagan, more specifically Wiccan. It is in our Rede to "Harm None" and most of us, want to live in harmony with nature, and each other. Like I said earlier, Why can't we all just get along?
AnnieSue | Coclus wrote: |
What do you think is the most peaceful religion?
I'm sure it's the buddhism! The islam was spread with force. The christs
say they love their enemies but they tried to invade Jerusalem and drive out all muslims. The jews were mostly victims but in early middleage they knew to defend themselves. The Hinduism was also the reason for some wars. What`s left is the buddhism! There is nothing a buddhist may fight for as the aim is to reach nirvana and as a consequence forget desires and wishes. |
i request author to put apoll and let see which is the most peaceful religion chosed by people ?May be that Islam nowadays is not well seen.
But let's see in the history.
I learned that even if The PROPHET made some wars, there were very little dead people and the the wars were always between muslims and colonialist people there and not with the original habitants.
Let's look at the wars made in the name of christianism in America.
I wonder always where are the original peoples of america before the arrival of christians??? Was it sahara in america befor christophe colombus???
At the same way, jewich people lived for centuries between muslims whithout getting killed like in the second world war.
They left theese countries when it became difficult even for muslims.
I dont believe in religion, but I do believe in God, Allah, Buddha... or however you want to call him (her, it?). ...
religion mostly forbids something... but there is nothing what is forbidden... you just need to look inside you and if there is something which is "wrong"... or better which goes against nature.. you will know, so you dont actually need any religion, priest or rabby ... to tell you what to do and what not to do.
so.. I do believe in God, in meditation, in our soul... but religion... no!
But again... everyone can choose... and if people feel they need to be a member of any kind of religion, its fine for me too... everybody has to find those things out by themselves... and whats "right" for me, does not necessarily be "right" for you (no right or wrong exists, just depends who is looking at the things, one thing can be right for me, but wrong for you, so whats right than anyway)... okay... enough talk... I could go on with this.. but dont have that much time
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| The Conspirator wrote: | | nam_siddharth wrote: | | mike1reynolds wrote: | | Taoism! |
Are Tao people not Buddhists? |
No, Taoism and Buddhism are two different things. |
Taoism and Buddism are two different things, I agree. But all taoists are Buddhists (there may me some exeptions), but all (most) Buddhists are not Taoist. |
Not quite sure how you arrived at that one, as to the best of my knowledge, Taoism predates Buddhism by some time. So saying that all Taoists are Buddhists would be odd. The only way they might be related is when the first Buddhists(originating in India) in China used Tauist terminology to explain how they saw the Tao as the way to Nirvana.Again, I'd like to point out that all religion is peaceful - it's the people who follow it who shatter that peace that we try to obtain. The people who falsely use religion to justify unjust actions.
in my view
buddism is the peaceful religion
this is due to that it spreads peace and preaches peace
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so killing small children in a Beslan school is self defense? ahh.. I'm glad we cleared that up
and flying planes into a skyscraper full of people going about their daily work schedule.. self defense.. yeah, I can almost see that
Islam.. the Religion Of Peace
list all the terrorist attacks in the past 10 years.. I'd venture to say that 99% of them were committed by muslims
perhaps the muslims are a little off track these days.. but as I've said before, I think they're just 'staying the course'.. Islam has always been a religion of force and subjugation, starting with Muhammed |
well i think you did not read my post and only saw that islam and Muhamad peace be upon hime is peace ful man read complete post and than reply
follower of islam are not following islam properly and niether other religion other wise they all are peaceful
i think you are more harsh to islam . | JoeFriday wrote: |
sure.. in the same way that if a prison is built by free people, it is therefore a place of freedom
no.. the reality is that Islam has VERY rigid rules.. it is not diverse at all.. the people who claim to be muslims might be diverse, but the religion is not.. your claim might be that because Islam will accept any race, it is diverse.. but the religion itself does not allow diverse lifestyles or thoughts |
religion are not regid they have alot flexibility so that all people follow them if you say that i quote which you say is regid and you will not step back from who will talk and argue you and believe on your quote
same is to religions if they are rigid than people will not accept them and follow them , than why is islam second largest religion and fastest spreading religion in the world
you have problum with islam , other thing post is not for that which religion is
terrorist and why ? it is which religion is peaceful , so give arguement to prove any religion peace ful or if you argue that islam is not than which one is tell it too | HoboPelican wrote: |
Im not going argue Islam here, doesnt seem like the right thread. As to the most peaceful religion being Buddhism, let me just post this.
| Quote: | | Buddhist monasteries were also large landholders, and they were expanding in size as Buddhist temples were expanding in wealth. Buddhist estates had their own armies - armed monks called acuso. And occasionally they fought against each other, against some other expanding estate, or against the government in Kyoto. |
Japan, Buddhism and Warlords
Their history has not been comletely benign.
I still hold the Bahá’í, the Quakers and as someone else said, the Jevoah's Witnesses as being better candidates for most peaceful
Anyone care to discuss the topic? |
these wars were fought for there Kingdom or the leadership but not for religion becaue budhist fought with budhist not religous clash was there
budhisim is one of the peaceful religions
i again say all religion say to do good and dont fight live peace fully it is belivers or followers who want to rule and they make religion to be like that ...as we see now all are fighting | haak_heu wrote: |
| HoboPelican wrote: | Im not going argue Islam here, doesnt seem like the right thread. As to the most peaceful religion being Buddhism, let me just post this.
| Quote: | | Buddhist monasteries were also large landholders, and they were expanding in size as Buddhist temples were expanding in wealth. Buddhist estates had their own armies - armed monks called acuso. And occasionally they fought against each other, against some other expanding estate, or against the government in Kyoto. |
Japan, Buddhism and Warlords
Their history has not been comletely benign.
I still hold the Bahá’í, the Quakers and as someone else said, the Jevoah's Witnesses as being better candidates for most peaceful
Anyone care to discuss the topic? |
these wars were fought for there Kingdom or the leadership but not for religion becaue budhist fought with budhist not religous clash was there
budhisim is one of the peaceful religions
i again say all religion say to do good and dont fight live peace fully it is belivers or followers who want to rule and they make religion to be like that ...as we see now all are fighting |
I don't disagree at all. In fact, of all the major religons, I would say it's practioners are the most peaceful. But the questions was what is the most peaceful. Don't you think those that do not allow fighting at all should be condsidered more peaceful than one that allows fighting in self-defense of land?
This disscussion gives me the feeling that people are defending their own religions more than actually looking for the most peaceful one. | mike1reynolds wrote: |
| ranciel wrote: | | Buddha isn't God. Buddhists do not call Buddha their God or Shen in Chinese. |
This is not entirely true, the Tibetan Buddists have a concept identical to the Trinity. The Trikaya, or three bodies of God, correspond precisely to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. |
But Buddha has never claimed that he is God or he is messanger of God or he has blood relations with God. He has denied the existance of god.
Buddha's thought on God
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1. If God is indeed the creator of all living things, then all things here should submit to His power unquestioningly. Like the vessels produced by a potter, they should remain without any individuality of their own. If that is so, how can there be an opportunity for any one to practice virtue?
2. If this world is indeed created by God, then there should be no sorrow or calamity or evil in this world, for all deeds, both pure and impure, must come from Him.
3. If it is not so, then there must be some other cause besides God which is behind Him, in which case He would not be self-existent.
4. It is not convincing that the Absolute has created us, because that which is absolute cannot be a cause. All things here arise from different causes. Then can we can say that the Absolute is the cause of all things alike? If the Absolute is pervading them, then certainly It is not their creator.
5. If we consider the Self as the maker, why did it not make things pleasant? Why and how should it create so much sorrow and suffering for itself?
6. It is neither God nor the self nor some causeless chance which creates us. It is our our deeds which produce both good and bad results according to the law of causation.
7. We should therefore "abandon the heresy of worshipping God and of praying to him. We should stops all speculation and vain talk about such matters and practice good so that good may result from our good deeds. |
Muhammad never murdered anyone as Joe has stated.
If you can give proof to me that he killed someone on purpose, then I will believe you. He is also not a con man. He was not God. He was a prophet. He had no power of God, he was just a man. In Islam it is very wrong to appoint yourself with Gods Power. No one on Earth has power of God's. Muhammad solely was a gateway of which God spent his power down to Earth to teach the people of his marvel.
| The Czar wrote: |
JoeFriday ... Can your prophet split the moon ... with his bare hands?
Thats what people say about Muhammad. What about Jesus? Is he not like Muhammad? |
Does Muhammada really did so? Even if he did, what it has to do with being Islam peaceful. It only show the destructiveness of Muhhammada, not peacefullness. | bluedragon wrote: |
Christianity is essentially peaceful, too!
All religions essentially are!
Think of all that Jesus said. Good stuff!
It's human fallability that is cause for war. |
Haven't you ever heard of the Crusades? Although I do agree with you about all religions being essentially peaceful, Christians (in particular the Vatican) haven't always been the most peaceful group of people.
