Many people told me everything set by the god. But what i know is the god create humans, earth, animals and plants. So, did the god plan anything for us? Well, i don't think so. I believe the god set rules for us, and what we need to do is just follow the rules. If we are wrong, there will be other people to correct us. so, is it everything in the bible are true? Why some people said the god is not fair to them?? In fact we deal with our own life. When we walk or want to sit, all this was planned by yourself, human. no body can control. Everything we do is influence by environment. In Gelstalt Theory, B=f(P, E), which B = behavior, f = factor, P = person's thinking, feeling, charateristic and E = environment. As we can see here, there is no "GOD" in our behavior. For example, A kills B. so can we say God plans A to kill B? If you say yes, then, why we want to have religion?? Because we want to be a good person, every religion teach us to be good to everyone. so, there is no way god planned human to kill others. This mean our life is set by our own thinking, our rational thinking. so, we must think rationaly and don't let sadness or temper cover our mind. Your destiny, is yours.
IS OUR DESTINY PLANNED BY GOD??
| cvkien wrote: |
| But what i know is the god create humans, earth, animals and plants. |
I think that your destiny isn't planned by God, simply because I believe that the humans have created God because they need something to explain things they can't understand.
Well, let's take into consideration that God is an all-knowing being. That being said, God knows and has planned everything out for you. Surely you don't know what you're going to choose (whether it be food, when to sit down, whatever), but God knows.
It's a strange, and difficult concept to grasp at first.
It's a strange, and difficult concept to grasp at first.
Many theists say God has a plan and many say God is omniscient. many Many who say those also say that we have free will which contradicts the first two statements.
| The Conspirator wrote: |
| Many theists say God has a plan and many say God is omniscient. many Many who say those also say that we have free will which contradicts the first two statements. |
Okay, I see where you are coming from, and it is my opinion that both sides of the argument are correct.
We do have the freedom of choice, or free will as you put it. I can choose what I want to eat, I can choose where I want to go, I can choose who to talk to, when to get out of bed, etc... It's just that God knows what I'm going to choose in advance.
That is a direct contradiction, the idea that you have choice, but that someone knows what your choice will be...
Either you have free will and god doesn't know what you are going to do, or you don't have free will and god is all-knowing.
Another prospect is that there is no god, and our "decisions" are pre-ordained through a mixture of genetics and environment.
Either you have free will and god doesn't know what you are going to do, or you don't have free will and god is all-knowing.
Another prospect is that there is no god, and our "decisions" are pre-ordained through a mixture of genetics and environment.
| soulfire wrote: |
| We do have the freedom of choice, or free will as you put it. I can choose what I want to eat, I can choose where I want to go, I can choose who to talk to, when to get out of bed, etc... It's just that God knows what I'm going to choose in advance. |
| LeviticusMky wrote: |
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Another prospect is that there is no god, and our "decisions" are pre-ordained through a mixture of genetics and environment. |
Yeah I agree with you, there does not exists coincidence.
| LeviticusMky wrote: |
| That is a direct contradiction, the idea that you have choice, but that someone knows what your choice will be...
Either you have free will and god doesn't know what you are going to do, or you don't have free will and god is all-knowing. Another prospect is that there is no god, and our "decisions" are pre-ordained through a mixture of genetics and environment. |
If only you weren't so black and white. How does someone knowing what your choice will be make it impossible to have a choice? You still choose what you want, Someone just knows in advance.
Well, actually, I'll have to agree with Leviticus.
If someone knows before-hand what choice you're going to make, then that means that you've already made the choice before you make it. The only thing left is a personal illusion of choice, because we don't know what choice we have made.
If someone knows before-hand what choice you're going to make, then that means that you've already made the choice before you make it. The only thing left is a personal illusion of choice, because we don't know what choice we have made.
I believe that the worst thing you can to when it comes to GOD is physically seem him human. I believe in a God. But God to me is everything just like bibles say. But God is pure energy. it's proven that humans carry certain amounts of energy and so does everything else. And that is god. A powerfull energy. Period.
The bible was written by man. If you notice the 10 comanments now adays are simple law in almost every culture. I believe that Moses, just like Jesus, Buddha, Ghandi. and any other peace maker, just had this incredible moment of clarity. That gave them this divine knowledge, now what did Jesus call it. He called it God, and the others called it something else. But think about it .
It all has to do with a human being wanting answers. It all breaks down with our brains. We only use 10 percent. What will happen when we evolve and use more, and will be able to cure, or defy gravity. Something that we only see in movies, or that we believe on GOD is capable of?
Just a taste, got a lot to say, but people tend to get bored when they see a lot of wrtiting.. Please comment
Will
The bible was written by man. If you notice the 10 comanments now adays are simple law in almost every culture. I believe that Moses, just like Jesus, Buddha, Ghandi. and any other peace maker, just had this incredible moment of clarity. That gave them this divine knowledge, now what did Jesus call it. He called it God, and the others called it something else. But think about it .
It all has to do with a human being wanting answers. It all breaks down with our brains. We only use 10 percent. What will happen when we evolve and use more, and will be able to cure, or defy gravity. Something that we only see in movies, or that we believe on GOD is capable of?
Just a taste, got a lot to say, but people tend to get bored when they see a lot of wrtiting.. Please comment
Will
| Soulfire wrote: | ||
If only you weren't so black and white. How does someone knowing what your choice will be make it impossible to have a choice? You still choose what you want, Someone just knows in advance. |
For some one to know with a 100% accuracy your actions before you make them, then you actions are determined by something. Weather that be fate or or an infinite set of variables (determinism) you don;t actually have a choice, free will is an illusion.
Every thing is planed
God knows every thing
there is 50:50 thing given to us
there is what we can chose and there is what we cant chose
like u studyed alot but u dont get 1st position because there is one else
who got he even did not sudyed much it is will of God
you can chose which thing u want to eat which thing u want to wear
but you cant chose when will be ur accident , when will you die
these are done by God
Geniteics and envirement influnce is actually Gods influnce
Genetics say your colour will be black it will be because it is written in genes by GOD
envirement like accident u dont know where will it occur , even there ur no any mistake but envirement will decide and in it GOD has already decided it
now how God knows ALl things .....
GOd is supereme
You six sense or para pyhscology ...people know future ...
even my six sense is also good (not good enough) i say this will happen and that occurs what is this ...if people can know the future
how GOd know ......you can see your self
God is supereme
God knows every thing
there is 50:50 thing given to us
there is what we can chose and there is what we cant chose
like u studyed alot but u dont get 1st position because there is one else
who got he even did not sudyed much it is will of God
you can chose which thing u want to eat which thing u want to wear
but you cant chose when will be ur accident , when will you die
these are done by God
Geniteics and envirement influnce is actually Gods influnce
Genetics say your colour will be black it will be because it is written in genes by GOD
envirement like accident u dont know where will it occur , even there ur no any mistake but envirement will decide and in it GOD has already decided it
now how God knows ALl things .....
GOd is supereme
You six sense or para pyhscology ...people know future ...
even my six sense is also good (not good enough) i say this will happen and that occurs what is this ...if people can know the future
how GOd know ......you can see your self
God is supereme
| todabeat wrote: |
| it's proven that humans carry certain amounts of energy and so does everything else. And that is god. A powerful energy. Period. |
. But we aren't sure there is destiny or not.| Zarcok wrote: |
| But it is a possibility. When we die we will now, if we will appear before God you can ask him |
.yes i believe that everything that goes on in this world is planned by the god. Because we each have our own fate and that is also planned by the God. We seems to say that it is us who would plan our own future, but in the end its our destiny, which is planned by the God..
Me being a muslim ... ( I hope I don't offend Anyone)
I believe in Allah.
I believe in Muhammad.
I believe in the Angels.
I believe in Heaven and Hell and the 4 Holy Books.
Everything was destined by Allah. Me typing this about typing about typing this and so on was planned.
We can try to stray from what was planned for us but I don't really know much of what will happen if we tried.
I believe in Allah.
I believe in Muhammad.
I believe in the Angels.
I believe in Heaven and Hell and the 4 Holy Books.
Everything was destined by Allah. Me typing this about typing about typing this and so on was planned.
We can try to stray from what was planned for us but I don't really know much of what will happen if we tried.
I do believe that God setup everything... that he knows whats going to happen and that everything is just "perfect" the way it is and the way it will be... but I also believe we have choice... not choice like in choosing where we take our next vacations... but choice in the sense of our own spirituality our emotional status... the choice of how to react to certaing things and certain situations... how to interact with people... how we want to feel... there you have two choices... you feel good or you want to feel bad... that I believe is your own choice... God did not set this up for you... he set up whats going to happen but your choice is to react to it.
If you said everything is planned by god, how you know that??
And how God plans it? is he use any devices to transfer data to our mind?
As i know, our action is all according to our mind. So, can our mind function as a data reciever, to recieve "plan" that had planned by god?
If it is not this way, then how god make us do something we do that god want?
If u said everything planned by god, why god wanna plans CRIME?
why war? why kills? What is the purpose you believe in god?
my purpose i believe in god because i want to be good, living harmony with each others. forgive some1 who did wrong and love some1.
Why god wanna plans human to hate? Hate can make people kills. OR you want to said god is just like human, god also have feeling, or us, everything in this world is a game play by god? but i didn't see any hand holding my land, no 1 pushing you to do something. all can control by you.
As i said, if everything plan by god, why there are still humans Not believe in god? or they believe in other god? so is there any other god? we dunno. mayb it is correct that we had create god in our mind. to explain someting we can't explain in science.
Maybe this is the human's ego that whatever they can't explain in science, they'll assume that it is involving god.
And how God plans it? is he use any devices to transfer data to our mind?
As i know, our action is all according to our mind. So, can our mind function as a data reciever, to recieve "plan" that had planned by god?
If it is not this way, then how god make us do something we do that god want?
If u said everything planned by god, why god wanna plans CRIME?
why war? why kills? What is the purpose you believe in god?
my purpose i believe in god because i want to be good, living harmony with each others. forgive some1 who did wrong and love some1.
Why god wanna plans human to hate? Hate can make people kills. OR you want to said god is just like human, god also have feeling, or us, everything in this world is a game play by god? but i didn't see any hand holding my land, no 1 pushing you to do something. all can control by you.
As i said, if everything plan by god, why there are still humans Not believe in god? or they believe in other god? so is there any other god? we dunno. mayb it is correct that we had create god in our mind. to explain someting we can't explain in science.
Maybe this is the human's ego that whatever they can't explain in science, they'll assume that it is involving god.
My teacher once said ... Crime Is To Balance The Good ... Life Would Be Boring Without Crime ... Without Evil There Won't Be Jobs For Cops And Such ... Islam Prefers Its Followers To Have A Job That Is Hardest Yet Pure Of Heart And Full Of Good ...
Here ...
Here are two paths (destinies) that we have
We Do Wrong S*** We Go To Hell
We Do Good We Go To Heaven
So Allah Gave Us The Right To Choose But Not To Add More Options ...
I Sorry I Can't Use The Word G*D
Allah isn't human .. He is supreme .. He knows .. Hate and stuff are just inner demons or outer ones that whisper into your heart ... You choose to entertain the demons or ignore ..
Here ...
Here are two paths (destinies) that we have
We Do Wrong S*** We Go To Hell
We Do Good We Go To Heaven
So Allah Gave Us The Right To Choose But Not To Add More Options ...
I Sorry I Can't Use The Word G*D
Allah isn't human .. He is supreme .. He knows .. Hate and stuff are just inner demons or outer ones that whisper into your heart ... You choose to entertain the demons or ignore ..
I believe that God has plans for us but its up to us on how we do it in out everyday lives.
He cant stop us from doing the things we want to do, he is just there to guide us in out way, and correct the paths we have taken in our lives.
We cant be contented in this life because he has something planned for us in the afterlife.
He cant stop us from doing the things we want to do, he is just there to guide us in out way, and correct the paths we have taken in our lives.
We cant be contented in this life because he has something planned for us in the afterlife.
I believe in destiny. But, I also believe that we have the power of choice. I believe we have lots of destiny and that the result depends on what we choose.
Yes, there is a plan. A plan for everything and everyone. Whether it's free will or not is obviously being argued here, but that doesn't really matter, because that's how (I believe) it is.
The only thing that is sure is your birth and death. The rest you can choose yourself, if there is a destiny it is too great to understand so it would be like there is no destiny.
| Soulfire wrote: |
| Yes, there is a plan. A plan for everything and everyone. Whether it's free will or not is obviously being argued here, but that doesn't really matter, because that's how (I believe) it is. |
Thats kind of boring dont you think? I mean i dont even like puppet shows it would be even worse if i was a one
) But another question if everything is so planned why god planned something that is obviously against his will? This kind of puts another dimension on the saying "God works in a mysterious ways" I believe that you destiny is NOT planned by God by his design , I think God wants you to develop your own spirtuality , to be an individual a companion and not a servant ,God wants you to join him, I dont even think a true God would want you to worship him in the conventional sense of the church (blindly).....Maybe I am the only one who thinks this way but to say that God knows everything thats ever going to happen to everyone who will ever exist is another way of saying the life and existance God has given you is pointless....from Gods point of view not ours..........I mean if God allready knows whats going to happen, to him it has in essence allready happened.
So who agrees that God is just going through the motions ?
who will say God was'nt disapointed (angry) when Adam and eve ate the apple, if he knew it was allready going to happen why be angry ?
was he just pretending for "showbiz" reasons ?
So who agrees that God is just going through the motions ?
who will say God was'nt disapointed (angry) when Adam and eve ate the apple, if he knew it was allready going to happen why be angry ?
was he just pretending for "showbiz" reasons ?
If you have a destiny how do you know what it is? it might just be a follow up on a choice you once made, but what if that choise was already desided? i mean you can speculate all you want but i think we will never be able to determine if we have it.
If you believe your destination is decided by yourself. There is half a chance you can change them. But if you believe your destination is planned by the God, then it probably is.
Ye god has a plan for us it i called Gods will and he has a prophecy that is full filling
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