HI, TODAY I WAS DISCUSING WITH A FRIEND ABOUT THE EXISTENCE OF GOD, BUT FINALLY, SHE HAD A LOT OF VALID ARGUMENTS THAT I COULD NOT DEFEND, SHE WAS SAYING THAT THE THING OCCURS ONLY BY CASUALITIES, AND I TOLD HER, THAT IN THE BIBLE SAID THAT EVEN THE FALLS MOVES WAS BY HIS VOLUNTATE.
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| albusa wrote: |
| HI, TODAY I WAS DISCUSING WITH A FRIEND ABOUT THE EXISTENCE OF GOD, BUT FINALLY, SHE HAD A LOT OF VALID ARGUMENTS THAT I COULD NOT DEFEND, SHE WAS SAYING THAT THE THING OCCURS ONLY BY CASUALITIES, AND I TOLD HER, THAT IN THE BIBLE SAID THAT EVEN THE FALLS MOVES WAS BY HIS VOLUNTATE. |
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what do you think
ok, here's what i think (i'll try to keep this as brief as possible).
So far in my life, I have not witnessed anything to believe the existance of this supreme being as "god". Now I also know that if we didn't have a such thing as religion during our present lives, I strongly believe Earth would become a living hell. The explanation for this belief is (this is in someway philoshopical), humans are scared of things they don't understand, ever child during sometime of their life is scared of the dark, now I wonder has anyone wondered why that kid is scared. Since that kid can't see what is around him he is scared, although there is nothing uncommon in the room, the kids immagination kicks in to answer that question mark that is spinning around his head "what is in the darkness". So the kid eventually creates imaginary beings in his head like "the boogie man" or "bed bugs". Since the kid doesn't understand why he is afraid of the dark, their immagination in a way makes a mascot for them to be scared of, a mascot that they can understand.
Now think about this, there was religion way before Jesus Christ was born. This kid is a concept, people have been scared of the unknown thousands of years ago and we still are scared of the unknown today.
In the simplest words, I believe religion and "god" is a creation of human imagination.
NOTE: Please don't flame me for my opinion, as i just said this is only my opinion and i am not saying this is a fact.
So far in my life, I have not witnessed anything to believe the existance of this supreme being as "god". Now I also know that if we didn't have a such thing as religion during our present lives, I strongly believe Earth would become a living hell. The explanation for this belief is (this is in someway philoshopical), humans are scared of things they don't understand, ever child during sometime of their life is scared of the dark, now I wonder has anyone wondered why that kid is scared. Since that kid can't see what is around him he is scared, although there is nothing uncommon in the room, the kids immagination kicks in to answer that question mark that is spinning around his head "what is in the darkness". So the kid eventually creates imaginary beings in his head like "the boogie man" or "bed bugs". Since the kid doesn't understand why he is afraid of the dark, their immagination in a way makes a mascot for them to be scared of, a mascot that they can understand.
Now think about this, there was religion way before Jesus Christ was born. This kid is a concept, people have been scared of the unknown thousands of years ago and we still are scared of the unknown today.
In the simplest words, I believe religion and "god" is a creation of human imagination.
NOTE: Please don't flame me for my opinion, as i just said this is only my opinion and i am not saying this is a fact.
The Bibe does not try to prove the existence of God, It just declares it.
| cynforyouth wrote: |
| The Bibe does not try to prove the existence of God, It just declares it. |
Hear hear!
I am a regular church-goer and a firm Christian. However, I have never felt any utter conviction that God really is there. That is until I felt the presence of God for the first time, last Sunday (from time of posting). I won't go into detail, but I will say that my experience at that time has completely cemented my belief and I will not stop believing until the end of my life, when you know, not believe.
You want proof? Well, you won't get it, but there's a huge amount of evidence pointing towards the existance of God. The scientific theory is that the world was a series of coincidences. The world was created by a collision of two large chunks of matter (no explanation for where that matter came from, notice) and the particles, by pure coincidence, reacted in such a way that a whole universe came about. More and more unlikely coincidences resulted in life forming, firstly simple life, but for some reason changing continuously to result in animal and intelligent life. Hmm...
This sounds far more farfetched than the existance of God, so I do the smart thing and believe in Him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Earth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_origin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Evolution
Do some research. Theres no evidence for the existence of any god divine force or supernatural forces.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Earth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_origin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Evolution
Do some research. Theres no evidence for the existence of any god divine force or supernatural forces.
I do not pertain to any religion in particular, but I certainly believe in God or any other name you might like for the force of Creation.
you mean no evidence that you have seen.
One can only speak for ones' self really
| The Conspirator wrote: |
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Do some research. Theres no evidence for the existence of any god divine force or supernatural forces. |
you mean no evidence that you have seen.
One can only speak for ones' self really
| earthchild wrote: |
| you mean no evidence that you have seen.
One can only speak for ones' self really |
Exactly, one can never find proof of God that is widely accepted. Faith is inside each individual, and the existance of God is up to the Individuals beliefs. I personally believe that God does exist, and my Proof is the Bible and Quran, which I believe to be Infallible. Of course, I believe this 100%, but this doesn't mean that another person will, however in my own world and perception, God is a very real thing.
I guess nobody will ever be able to prove if Gos exists or not, but I for one believe he does.
I am a practicing Muslim.
I believe There is one god, and only one god.
Thing about it...
Why would there be human beings? What was the point of creating 'us' if there was no light at the end of the long journey called life?
There must be an afterlife, hence, there must be someone who created this life and afterlife and its definitely not just anyone..
Why would there be books dating back to millions of years ago that told the creation of religions and how we should abide with our day to day lives? Is there any other history books that go back to that time...No.
Not only, this books predicted the future. They told of how music will become more popular, told how messages will take seconds to send, not months or years (email) and more!
How could one man or woman predict such things?
These books/stories/events were the work of someone far greater.
I believe There is one god, and only one god.
Thing about it...
Why would there be human beings? What was the point of creating 'us' if there was no light at the end of the long journey called life?
There must be an afterlife, hence, there must be someone who created this life and afterlife and its definitely not just anyone..
Why would there be books dating back to millions of years ago that told the creation of religions and how we should abide with our day to day lives? Is there any other history books that go back to that time...No.
Not only, this books predicted the future. They told of how music will become more popular, told how messages will take seconds to send, not months or years (email) and more!
How could one man or woman predict such things?
These books/stories/events were the work of someone far greater.
| Jomhuri_Eslami wrote: |
| I guess nobody will ever be able to prove if Gos exists or not, but I for one believe he does. |
It's the same case with ghosts and aliens, why aren't they believed as much as religion, is it possible that religion gives us comfort?
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Why would there be books dating back to millions of years ago that told the creation of religions and how we should abide with our day to day lives? Is there any other history books that go back to that time...No. Not only, this books predicted the future. They told of how music will become more popular, told how messages will take seconds to send, not months or years (email) and more! How could one man or woman predict such things? These books/stories/events were the work of someone far greater. |
If I were to right a book right now predicting that sometime in the future that humans were to become extinct from wars due to the fact that more and more people aren't believing in god and if this book was dicovered to be true after the war. People would think it was a supreme being who wrote it although i'm only an average guy that knows how to write a book.
When it comes to old book dating back 1000 of years, just like today, there were geniuses back then, they could've guessed these things were going to happen just by using their imagination (modern script writers for movies do the exact same thing) and since these books are 1000's of years old, people along the way could've manipulated the books to either suit the future or could've changed in a way to suit their own biased thoughts.
If there had been one true book/ the original then most of what i said would've been of no use, but during the years many theories and books have come up interpreting the past and the future.
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No, there is evidence. All the evidence we have says there were natural processes that lead to the universe as it is now.
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| Why would there be human beings? What was the point of creating 'us' if there was no light at the end of the long journey called life? |
But if we evolved than the point is what you make it and if you look for it else were and not in your self you will never find the purpose you seek.
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| Why would there be books dating back to millions of years ago that told the creation of religions and how we should abide with our day to day lives? |
There isn't, the oldest stories are only thousands of years old and come from polytheistic culture long before the Jewish, Christan and Muslim God was even thought of.
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| It's the same case with ghosts and aliens, why aren't they believed as much as religion, is it possible that religion gives us comfort? |
And Throe, Zeus and Radian from Mortal Kombat.
You can easily find there is existence of God. There is big power we all feel it. When you look nature,sky, other word, everywhere u find there is God.
| insolent1 wrote: |
| You can easily find there is existence of God. There is big power we all feel it. When you look nature,sky, other word, everywhere u find there is God. |
The thing is... I don't know if we can all feel it. It's probably how much you're in touch with your soul but it could be something else. I've never felt the big power until very recently, although I had been believing in it since before then.
| insolent1 wrote: |
| You can easily find there is existence of God. There is big power we all feel it. When you look nature,sky, other word, everywhere u find there is God. |
1. I and many, many others have never felt the presents of any god.
2. Our brain proses not only our thought it also proses our seances our seances. So our beliefs, emotions and thoughts can and do effect our how we perceive the environment around us. this is why people in creepy places can feel the presents of ghosts, it is why people who believe strongly enough in a God can feel its presents in there lives and why in my bedroom in a house I once lived in, I sometimes felt as if I was being watched, as if there was some one else in the room (usually behind me), I felt it most when I was trying to go to sleep, the sensation that there was some one there, behind me, watching me. There was no one there of course and I knew that, it was just the creepiness of the room and my subconscious causing me to feel like there was some one there.
3. All the evadence we have says the the unavers and everything in it including us were all formend by natrel prosesis.
So a feeling dose not prove the existence of God and nether dose our existence prove it ether.
Unless you mean that in a pantheistic way in which you mean all that is God. Then I miss understood.
Yes, I believe whole-heartedly in God and His Son Jesus, born of the Virgin Mary to relieve our sins and open up Heaven for those who believe.
Jesus said: "I am the way, the truth, and the life. The only way to the Father is through me"
Jesus said: "I am the way, the truth, and the life. The only way to the Father is through me"
Did you know: there have been tests carried out stimulating parts of the brain to see what happens, and people have been feeling different emotions depending on what part was stimulated. In one experiment, a psychologist stumbled across a part that made the subject have a feeling of a "higher presence", and they instantly wanted to find out more about what this could be. When they stopped stimulating that part of the brain, the feeling vanished. Some psychologists are pondering over whether that may be the soul, and stimulating that part of the brain puts the brain in contact with the soul.
All the above is completely true.
All the above is completely true.
Yes, very much so....... 
| vahsi000 wrote: |
| ok, here's what i think (i'll try to keep this as brief as possible).
So far in my life, I have not witnessed anything to believe the existance of this supreme being as "god". Now I also know that if we didn't have a such thing as religion during our present lives, I strongly believe Earth would become a living hell. The explanation for this belief is (this is in someway philoshopical), humans are scared of things they don't understand, ever child during sometime of their life is scared of the dark, now I wonder has anyone wondered why that kid is scared. Since that kid can't see what is around him he is scared, although there is nothing uncommon in the room, the kids immagination kicks in to answer that question mark that is spinning around his head "what is in the darkness". So the kid eventually creates imaginary beings in his head like "the boogie man" or "bed bugs". Since the kid doesn't understand why he is afraid of the dark, their immagination in a way makes a mascot for them to be scared of, a mascot that they can understand. Now think about this, there was religion way before Jesus Christ was born. This kid is a concept, people have been scared of the unknown thousands of years ago and we still are scared of the unknown today. In the simplest words, I believe religion and "god" is a creation of human imagination. NOTE: Please don't flame me for my opinion, as i just said this is only my opinion and i am not saying this is a fact. |
You're right, but you have no arguments about the non-existence of god. Plus Proofs of hos existence are there to be seen, and if wa close our eyes on so many wonders, it's normal that we say we don't believe he's teher in every one of us.
Religion was there way before Jesus, that's because Religion started with the creation of Man, Adam wa s aprophet, Joseph, Abrahan, Noah, david, Jonas ... Thousands and Thousands of them were prophets, Jesus is one of the latest, precisely, the before-last. So Religion is there as long as men exist, and as long as there is creation, everytime one of us is born, million times a minute, religion is re-born, and god is there even stronger.
Look at the miracle of birth the miracle of existenc of life on earth, the perfect positioning of stars and planets, at the miracle of the human eye where thousand sof chemical reactionns occur every second, proofs of his existence are everywhere, in us as in around us, even way further than we are ever gonna reach, there are proofs, just open eyes and mids and see, see, see....
| supjapscrapper wrote: |
| Look at the miracle of birth the miracle of existenc of life on earth, the perfect positioning of stars and planets, at the miracle of the human eye where thousand sof chemical reactionns occur every second, proofs of his existence are everywhere, in us as in around us, even way further than we are ever gonna reach, there are proofs, just open eyes and mids and see, see, see.... |
All of which have more plausible explanation that don't include any god.
I personaly don't believe that he exists. But i understand those who believe in his existence. Everyone has the right to believe, and I see that many people gain much courage and strength from their belief. So there is meaningful reason why people believe in various gods, it is completely natural for humans to believe in something that helps them go though their life.
I do believe that God exists. I also realize that if I were to state my reasons, some here would try to explain it away, but that's okay. Does believing in God bring me comfort? Of course. But that's not the only reason I believe. Things I've seen, felt and experienced have shaped my faith. Each person has to decide for themself if they will believe in God or not.
I don't know if God exists, but in my opinion there has got to be something. The whole galaxy came from a giant explosion of gasses, but where did the gasses came from? See, they came from somewhere. We don't know where, so we say God created all of this.
Also, people need something to believe in. When everything you do goes wrong and you only have bad luck, you turn to God, just to have something to believe in. If we didn't have that, we'd be lost.
This is my opinion, feel free to comment.
Also, people need something to believe in. When everything you do goes wrong and you only have bad luck, you turn to God, just to have something to believe in. If we didn't have that, we'd be lost.
This is my opinion, feel free to comment.
I just don't care at all. If people want to trust in God, may they be happy but please don't disturb me. I got absolutely no proof for God to exist and I think it's just a human brain invention. HUman needs a superior being to trust in because Human is weak... but anyway...
| biffi wrote: |
| I don't know if God exists, but in my opinion there has got to be something. The whole galaxy came from a giant explosion of gasses, but where did the gasses came from? See, they came from somewhere. We don't know where, so we say God created all of this.
Also, people need something to believe in. When everything you do goes wrong and you only have bad luck, you turn to God, just to have something to believe in. If we didn't have that, we'd be lost. This is my opinion, feel free to comment. |
I must agree, you're right... only on the second point. People turn to god when their life's dark. For exemple, in Quebec (one of the places where religion is the less practiced) whenever there's a natural disaster, we see ALL the churches FULL of people.
I don't trust either to Big-Bang lol
How will you define God ?
I believe in the existance Of GOD
I believe in ONLY ONLY one GOD , no one is like him
I believe in ONLY ONLY one GOD , no one is like him
| haak_heu wrote: |
| I believe in the existance Of GOD
I believe in ONLY ONLY one GOD , no one is like him |
the notion of a personal god is a western idea.. i believe in the existance of god but he has never dropped by my house to have a beer with me.
The Bible clearly declares the existence of God Almighty.
No offence but I think all those who say that 'there is no god' dont realise that theyre all mortals and are going to die one day.
None of us think of this much but we do act like were going to live forever.
So if there is no god what happens when you die? you dissapear forever -like you never even existed?
Doesnt that make life the most meaningless thing that ever was?
And you must be blind and deaf and even far more impaired if you think this whole universe and every detail in it could come to being by coincidence.
What is the simplest thing you know that happened by coincidence and as a result created something that didnt exist before? Let alone a whole universe and everything in it.
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None of us think of this much but we do act like were going to live forever.
So if there is no god what happens when you die? you dissapear forever -like you never even existed?
Doesnt that make life the most meaningless thing that ever was?
And you must be blind and deaf and even far more impaired if you think this whole universe and every detail in it could come to being by coincidence.
What is the simplest thing you know that happened by coincidence and as a result created something that didnt exist before? Let alone a whole universe and everything in it.
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Stop being so conical.
I know I'm going to die one day, I hope its when I'm an old man but it could be today hell I could die right this instant. But thats you, me me you and every one has to terms with and largely we all have.
Theres plenty of meaning in life. Just look at the alternative, nothingness, oblivion, non existence. That right there gives life meaning. You can't experience happiness, pleasure, joy, love or anything else if you don't exists. You won't more than that? Just look with in your self, you will find meaning, you will find purpose.
Conscience? I think you mean coincidence. Things don't just happen by coincidence.
Please read these. NBig Bang Wikipedia, Evolution Wiki pedia and Human Evolution Wikipedia
I know I'm going to die one day, I hope its when I'm an old man but it could be today hell I could die right this instant. But thats you, me me you and every one has to terms with and largely we all have.
Theres plenty of meaning in life. Just look at the alternative, nothingness, oblivion, non existence. That right there gives life meaning. You can't experience happiness, pleasure, joy, love or anything else if you don't exists. You won't more than that? Just look with in your self, you will find meaning, you will find purpose.
Conscience? I think you mean coincidence. Things don't just happen by coincidence.
Please read these. NBig Bang Wikipedia, Evolution Wiki pedia and Human Evolution Wikipedia
Depends on what you mean. Do you mean what makes a god a god? Or do you mean what is the Christan or Jewish or Muslim God?
I agree that there is meaning in life regardless of whether God exists or not. But the theories don't explain why the Big Bang happened. Something must have caused the BB to happen, if it did happen. That, my friend, is God.
| The Conspirator wrote: |
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1. I and many, many others have never felt the presents of any god. 2. Our brain proses not only our thought it also proses our seances our seances. So our beliefs, emotions and thoughts can and do effect our how we perceive the environment around us. this is why people in creepy places can feel the presents of ghosts, it is why people who believe strongly enough in a God can feel its presents in there lives and why in my bedroom in a house I once lived in, I sometimes felt as if I was being watched, as if there was some one else in the room (usually behind me), I felt it most when I was trying to go to sleep, the sensation that there was some one there, behind me, watching me. There was no one there of course and I knew that, it was just the creepiness of the room and my subconscious causing me to feel like there was some one there. 3. All the evadence we have says the the unavers and everything in it including us were all formend by natrel prosesis. So a feeling dose not prove the existence of God and nether dose our existence prove it ether. |
Gees if you assosiate God with the ghosts in your bedroom then I guess whatever I wrote is not meant for you you can ignore it I mean and do as much research as you want and enlighten us with everything from 'wiki' about your monkey
(and before that amphibean?) ancestors.
Theres this site at http://www.harunyahya.com/m_video_atheism.php for anyone else interested.
and thanks for correcting my English:)
| eva789 wrote: |
| No offence but I think all those who say that 'there is no god' dont realise that theyre all mortals and are going to die one day.
None of us think of this much but we do act like were going to live forever. So if there is no god what happens when you die? you dissapear forever -like you never even existed? Doesnt that make life the most meaningless thing that ever was? And you must be blind and deaf and even far more impaired if you think this whole universe and every detail in it could come to being by coincidence. What is the simplest thing you know that happened by coincidence and as a result created something that didnt exist before? Let alone a whole universe and everything in it. |
All of the above is written with the viewpoint that there must be a god. Coming from a neutral viewpoint however, it makes absolutely no sense:
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This is assuming that there is a reason to believe that there is something after life, and this belief stems from a belief in god.
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| And you must be blind and deaf and even far more impaired if you think this whole universe and every detail in it could come to being by coincidence. |
As a neutral observer I have no idea how the world came to be. Still, I see no reason to believe in god. The most logical thing to do would perhaps be to believe in "nature".
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| What is the simplest thing you know that happened by coincidence and as a result created something that didnt exist before? Let alone a whole universe and everything in it. |
There are many, many great artists that used a lot of randomness in their work. Their works of art were created many times by the random (from the artists perspective obviously) falling of leaves, etc.
From all of the above, assuming one knew no theories and had no beliefs, there is still no reason to believe in god.
| eva789 wrote: | ||
Gees if you assosiate God with the ghosts in your bedroom then I guess whatever I wrote is not meant for you you can ignore it I mean and do as much research as you want and enlighten us with everything from 'wiki' about your monkey (and before that amphibean?) ancestors.
Theres this site at http://www.harunyahya.com/m_video_atheism.php for anyone else interested. and thanks for correcting my English:) |
1. You missed my point, a feeling is not good evidence of anything cause of the nature of our brain. Our perception of reality is altered by our beliefs, thoughts, subconscious and so on. So our brain can easily produce a sensation based on a strong enough belief that there is a God.
2. Why do you people continuously criticise evolution based on faulty arguments? "Evolution says we evolved from moneys" No! Humans and monkeys share a common ancestry but we did not evolve from monkeys. "Evolution is not a science cause it can not be observed" Wrong! You need to see something to know its there, we can't see the fusion reactions at the core of the sun but we know its happening. "Carbon dating is inaccurate" Wrong! Carbon dating is a proves to be accurate. "Life can't form cause of the first laws of thermodynamics" Wrong! That would only apply if the earth was a closed system, it is not, just look at the sun.
Learn about evolution before criticize it, learn about the big band before you criticize it! Thats why I keep posting links to wikipedeas evolution page, to try and get you people to learn about it. Its not the best place but its a hell of a lot better than some random site found on google.
Its not that hard to learn about theses subjects, all you have to do is read about them.
| The Conspirator wrote: |
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Earth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_origin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Evolution Do some research. Theres no evidence for the existence of any god divine force or supernatural forces. |
You Don't Need Explanations And Actually Proofs For That ...
You Only Need To Believe. If You Believe There Is A God There Is If You Don't Then Maybe You've Chosen So ... Don't Take Advice For A High Schooling Dude ...
hey I got two meanings of the word god (not a definition but the view)
Inside India : God is a face of supreme power/soul which is "Para-Brahmam"
Every where else; God is the supreme power/soul itself
write your thoughts on it.. and this is not a definition.. it is just the point of view.. of people.. from two regions..
Inside India : God is a face of supreme power/soul which is "Para-Brahmam"
Every where else; God is the supreme power/soul itself
write your thoughts on it.. and this is not a definition.. it is just the point of view.. of people.. from two regions..
God is energy, God is everywhere and is everything. A human can't define God because he is so great we even can't imagine what God is. If God exists.
GOD...is an idea put forth by man kind to make human beings aware of their responsibilty. It's an idea which has ingrained into their minds that they are being watched and evaluated for what they do in their life. But by worshipping GOD, they actually end up worshipping the good qualities expected from them .This means GOD symbolises all the good things in this world although not all are achievable to all beings all the time. Hence the effort to improve constantly and set higher ideals is needed from human beings.
This is just an intro and there's a lot deeper philosophy to it but basically this shud suffice.
Thx .let's keep this going.
This is just an intro and there's a lot deeper philosophy to it but basically this shud suffice.
Thx .let's keep this going.
God is indescribable, but one of my favorite quotes is from my priest, and in a way it does define God (at least for me)
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GOD IS ONLY ONE
GOD has no parts
GOd has no son
God is Supreme
GoD has no gender
God has created every thing
God is not created by any body
God is every where
GOD has not given birth to any body
GOd is not born from any body
GOD dont sleep
GOD sees and hears every one
GOD just orders and things happen
Nothing can happen without his will .
THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD
GOD is Light ...Light is energy
For athists who dont believe in GOD
PROVING THE EXISTENCE OF ALLAH (SWT)TO AN ATHEIST
by
Dr. Zakir Naik
CONGRATULATING AN ATHEIST
Normally, when I meet an atheist, the first thing I like to do is to congratulate him and say, " My special congratulations to you", because most of the people who believe in God are doing blind belief - he is a Christian, because his father is a Christian; he is a Hindu, because his father is a Hindu; the majority of the people in the world are blindly following the religion of their fathers. An atheist, on the other hand, even though he may belong to a religious family, uses his intellect to deny the existence of God; what ever concept or qualities of God he may have learnt in his religion may not seem to be logical to him.
My Muslim brothers may question me, "Zakir, why are you congratulating an atheist?" The reason that I am congratulating an atheist is because he agrees with the first part of the Shahada i.e. the Islamic Creed, ‘La ilaaha’ - meaning ‘there is no God’. So half my job is already done; now the only part left is ‘il lallah’ i.e. ‘BUT ALLAH’ which I shall do Insha Allah. With others (who are not atheists) I have to first remove from their minds the wrong concept of God they may have and then put the correct concept of one true God.
LOGICAL CONCEPT OF GOD
My first question to the atheist will be: "What is the definition of God?" For a person to say there is no God, he should know what is the meaning of God. If I hold a book and say that ‘this is a pen’, for the opposite person to say, ‘it is not a pen’, he should know what is the definition of a pen, even if he does not know nor is able to recognise or identify the object I am holding in my hand. For him to say this is not a pen, he should at least know what a pen means. Similarly for an atheist to say ‘there is no God’, he should at least know the concept of God. His concept of God would be derived from the surroundings in which he lives. The god that a large number of people worship has got human qualities - therefore he does not believe in such a god. Similarly a Muslim too does not and should not believe in such false gods.
If a non-Muslim believes that Islam is a merciless religion with something to do with terrorism; a religion which does not give rights to women; a religion which contradicts science; in his limited sense that non-Muslim is correct to reject such Islam. The problem is he has a wrong picture of Islam. Even I reject such a false picture of Islam, but at the same time, it becomes my duty as a Muslim to present the correct picture of Islam to that non-Muslim i.e. Islam is a merciful religion, it gives equal rights to the women, it is not incompatible with logic, reason and science; if I present the correct facts about Islam, that non-Muslim may Inshallah accept Islam.
Similarly the atheist rejects the false gods and the duty of every Muslim is to present the correct concept of God which he shall Insha Allah not refuse.
(You may refer to my article, ‘Concept of God in Islam’, for more details)
QUR’AN AND MODERN SCIENCE
The methods of proving the existence of God with usage of the material provided in the ‘Concept of God in Islam’ to an atheist may satisfy some but not all.
Many atheists demand a scientific proof for the existence of God. I agree that today is the age of science and technology. Let us use scientific knowledge to kill two birds with one stone, i.e. to prove the existence of God and simultaneously prove that the Qur’an is a revelation of God.
If a new object or a machine, which no one in the world has ever seen or heard of before, is shown to an atheist or any person and then a question is asked, " Who is the first person who will be able to provide details of the mechanism of this unknown object? After little bit of thinking, he will reply, ‘the creator of that object.’ Some may say ‘the producer’ while others may say ‘the manufacturer.’ What ever answer the person gives, keep it in your mind, the answer will always be either the creator, the producer, the manufacturer or some what of the same meaning, i.e. the person who has made it or created it. Don’t grapple with words, whatever answer he gives, the meaning will be same, therefore accept it.
SCIENTIFIC FACTS MENTIONED IN THE QUR’AN: for details on this subject please refer to my book, ‘THE QUR’AN AND MODERN SCIENCE – COMPATIBLE OR INCOMPATIBLE?
THEORY OF PROBABILITY
In mathematics there is a theory known as ‘Theory of Probability’. If you have two options, out of which one is right, and one is wrong, the chances that you will chose the right one is half, i.e. one out of the two will be correct. You have 50% chances of being correct. Similarly if you toss a coin the chances that your guess will be correct is 50% (1 out of 2) i.e. 1/2. If you toss a coin the second time, the chances that you will be correct in the second toss is again 50% i.e. half. But the chances that you will be correct in both the tosses is half multiplied by half (1/2 x 1/2) which is equal to 1/4 i.e. 50% of 50% which is equal to 25%. If you toss a coin the third time, chances that you will be correct all three times is (1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2) that is 1/8 or 50% of 50% of 50% that is 12½%.
A dice has got six sides. If you throw a dice and guess any number between 1 to 6, the chances that your guess will be correct is 1/6. If you throw the dice the second time, the chances that your guess will be correct in both the throws is (1/6 x 1/6) which is equal to 1/36. If you throw the dice the third time, the chances that all your three guesses are correct is (1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6) is equal to 1/216 that is less than 0.5 %.
Let us apply this theory of probability to the Qur’an, and assume that a person has guessed all the information that is mentioned in the Qur’an which was unknown at that time. Let us discuss the probability of all the guesses being simultaneously correct.
At the time when the Qur’an was revealed, people thought the world was flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth. It could be triangular, it could be quadrangular, pentagonal, hexagonal, heptagonal, octagonal, spherical, etc. Lets assume there are about 30 different options for the shape of the earth. The Qur’an rightly says it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being correct is 1/30.
The light of the moon can be its own light or a reflected light. The Qur’an rightly says it is a reflected light. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both the guesses i.e the earth is spherical and the light of the moon is reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60.
Further, the Qur’an also mentions every living thing is made of water. Every living thing can be made up of either wood, stone, copper, aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, oil, water, cement, concrete, etc. The options are say about 10,000. The Qur’an rightly says that everything is made up of water. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/10,000 and the probability of all the three guesses i.e. the earth is spherical, light of moon is reflected light and everything is created from water being correct is 1/30 x 1/2 x 1/10,000 = 1/60,000 which is equal to about .0017%.
The Qur’an speaks about hundreds of things that were not known to men at the time of its revelation. Only in three options the result is .0017%. I leave it upto you, to work out the probability if all the hundreds of the unknown facts were guesses, the chances of all of them being correct guesses simultaneously and there being not a single wrong guess. It is beyond human capacity to make all correct guesses without a single mistake, which itself is sufficient to prove to a logical person that the origin of the Qur’an is Divine.
CREATOR IS THE AUTHOR OF THE QUR’AN
The only logical answer to the question as to who could have mentioned all these scientific facts 1400 years ago before they were discovered, is exactly the same answer initially given by the atheist or any person, to the question who will be the first person who will be able to tell the mechanism of the unknown object. It is the ‘CREATOR’, the producer, the Manufacturer of the whole universe and its contents. In the English language He is ‘God’, or more appropriate in the Arabic language, ‘ALLAH’.
QUR’AN IS A BOOK OF SIGNS AND NOT SCIENCE
Let me remind you that the Qur’an is not a book of Science, ‘S-C-I-E-N-C-E’ but a book of Signs ‘S-I-G-N-S’ i.e. a book of ayaats. The Qur’an contains more than 6,000 ayaats, i.e. ‘signs’, out of which more than a thousand speak about Science. I am not trying to prove that the Qur’an is the word of God using scientific knowledge as a yard stick because any yardstick is supposed to be more superior than what is being checked or verified. For us Muslims the Qur’an is the Furqan i.e. criteria to judge right from wrong and the ultimate yardstick which is more superior to scientific knowledge.
But for an educated man who is an atheist, scientific knowledge is the ultimate test which he believes in. We do know that science many a times takes ‘U’ turns, therefore I have restricted the examples only to scientific facts which have sufficient proof and evidence and not scientific theories based on assumptions. Using the ultimate yardstick of the atheist, I am trying to prove to him that the Qur’an is the word of God and it contains the scientific knowledge which is his yardstick which was discovered recently, while the Qur’an was revealed 1400 year ago. At the end of the discussion, we both come to the same conclusion that God though superior to science, is not incompatible with it.
SCIENCE IS ELIMINATING MODELS OF GOD BUT NOT GOD
Francis Bacon, the famous philosopher, has rightly said that a little knowledge of science makes man an atheist, but an in-depth study of science makes him a believer in God. Scientists today are eliminating models of God, but they are not eliminating God. If you translate this into Arabic, it is La illaha illal la, There is no god, (god with a small ‘g’ that is fake god) but God (with a capital ‘G’).
Surah Fussilat:
"Soon We will show them our signs in the (farthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?"
[Al-Quran 41:53]
GOD has no parts
GOd has no son
God is Supreme
GoD has no gender
God has created every thing
God is not created by any body
God is every where
GOD has not given birth to any body
GOd is not born from any body
GOD dont sleep
GOD sees and hears every one
GOD just orders and things happen
Nothing can happen without his will .
THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD
GOD is Light ...Light is energy
For athists who dont believe in GOD
PROVING THE EXISTENCE OF ALLAH (SWT)TO AN ATHEIST
by
Dr. Zakir Naik
CONGRATULATING AN ATHEIST
Normally, when I meet an atheist, the first thing I like to do is to congratulate him and say, " My special congratulations to you", because most of the people who believe in God are doing blind belief - he is a Christian, because his father is a Christian; he is a Hindu, because his father is a Hindu; the majority of the people in the world are blindly following the religion of their fathers. An atheist, on the other hand, even though he may belong to a religious family, uses his intellect to deny the existence of God; what ever concept or qualities of God he may have learnt in his religion may not seem to be logical to him.
My Muslim brothers may question me, "Zakir, why are you congratulating an atheist?" The reason that I am congratulating an atheist is because he agrees with the first part of the Shahada i.e. the Islamic Creed, ‘La ilaaha’ - meaning ‘there is no God’. So half my job is already done; now the only part left is ‘il lallah’ i.e. ‘BUT ALLAH’ which I shall do Insha Allah. With others (who are not atheists) I have to first remove from their minds the wrong concept of God they may have and then put the correct concept of one true God.
LOGICAL CONCEPT OF GOD
My first question to the atheist will be: "What is the definition of God?" For a person to say there is no God, he should know what is the meaning of God. If I hold a book and say that ‘this is a pen’, for the opposite person to say, ‘it is not a pen’, he should know what is the definition of a pen, even if he does not know nor is able to recognise or identify the object I am holding in my hand. For him to say this is not a pen, he should at least know what a pen means. Similarly for an atheist to say ‘there is no God’, he should at least know the concept of God. His concept of God would be derived from the surroundings in which he lives. The god that a large number of people worship has got human qualities - therefore he does not believe in such a god. Similarly a Muslim too does not and should not believe in such false gods.
If a non-Muslim believes that Islam is a merciless religion with something to do with terrorism; a religion which does not give rights to women; a religion which contradicts science; in his limited sense that non-Muslim is correct to reject such Islam. The problem is he has a wrong picture of Islam. Even I reject such a false picture of Islam, but at the same time, it becomes my duty as a Muslim to present the correct picture of Islam to that non-Muslim i.e. Islam is a merciful religion, it gives equal rights to the women, it is not incompatible with logic, reason and science; if I present the correct facts about Islam, that non-Muslim may Inshallah accept Islam.
Similarly the atheist rejects the false gods and the duty of every Muslim is to present the correct concept of God which he shall Insha Allah not refuse.
(You may refer to my article, ‘Concept of God in Islam’, for more details)
QUR’AN AND MODERN SCIENCE
The methods of proving the existence of God with usage of the material provided in the ‘Concept of God in Islam’ to an atheist may satisfy some but not all.
Many atheists demand a scientific proof for the existence of God. I agree that today is the age of science and technology. Let us use scientific knowledge to kill two birds with one stone, i.e. to prove the existence of God and simultaneously prove that the Qur’an is a revelation of God.
If a new object or a machine, which no one in the world has ever seen or heard of before, is shown to an atheist or any person and then a question is asked, " Who is the first person who will be able to provide details of the mechanism of this unknown object? After little bit of thinking, he will reply, ‘the creator of that object.’ Some may say ‘the producer’ while others may say ‘the manufacturer.’ What ever answer the person gives, keep it in your mind, the answer will always be either the creator, the producer, the manufacturer or some what of the same meaning, i.e. the person who has made it or created it. Don’t grapple with words, whatever answer he gives, the meaning will be same, therefore accept it.
SCIENTIFIC FACTS MENTIONED IN THE QUR’AN: for details on this subject please refer to my book, ‘THE QUR’AN AND MODERN SCIENCE – COMPATIBLE OR INCOMPATIBLE?
THEORY OF PROBABILITY
In mathematics there is a theory known as ‘Theory of Probability’. If you have two options, out of which one is right, and one is wrong, the chances that you will chose the right one is half, i.e. one out of the two will be correct. You have 50% chances of being correct. Similarly if you toss a coin the chances that your guess will be correct is 50% (1 out of 2) i.e. 1/2. If you toss a coin the second time, the chances that you will be correct in the second toss is again 50% i.e. half. But the chances that you will be correct in both the tosses is half multiplied by half (1/2 x 1/2) which is equal to 1/4 i.e. 50% of 50% which is equal to 25%. If you toss a coin the third time, chances that you will be correct all three times is (1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2) that is 1/8 or 50% of 50% of 50% that is 12½%.
A dice has got six sides. If you throw a dice and guess any number between 1 to 6, the chances that your guess will be correct is 1/6. If you throw the dice the second time, the chances that your guess will be correct in both the throws is (1/6 x 1/6) which is equal to 1/36. If you throw the dice the third time, the chances that all your three guesses are correct is (1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6) is equal to 1/216 that is less than 0.5 %.
Let us apply this theory of probability to the Qur’an, and assume that a person has guessed all the information that is mentioned in the Qur’an which was unknown at that time. Let us discuss the probability of all the guesses being simultaneously correct.
At the time when the Qur’an was revealed, people thought the world was flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth. It could be triangular, it could be quadrangular, pentagonal, hexagonal, heptagonal, octagonal, spherical, etc. Lets assume there are about 30 different options for the shape of the earth. The Qur’an rightly says it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being correct is 1/30.
The light of the moon can be its own light or a reflected light. The Qur’an rightly says it is a reflected light. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both the guesses i.e the earth is spherical and the light of the moon is reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60.
Further, the Qur’an also mentions every living thing is made of water. Every living thing can be made up of either wood, stone, copper, aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, oil, water, cement, concrete, etc. The options are say about 10,000. The Qur’an rightly says that everything is made up of water. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/10,000 and the probability of all the three guesses i.e. the earth is spherical, light of moon is reflected light and everything is created from water being correct is 1/30 x 1/2 x 1/10,000 = 1/60,000 which is equal to about .0017%.
The Qur’an speaks about hundreds of things that were not known to men at the time of its revelation. Only in three options the result is .0017%. I leave it upto you, to work out the probability if all the hundreds of the unknown facts were guesses, the chances of all of them being correct guesses simultaneously and there being not a single wrong guess. It is beyond human capacity to make all correct guesses without a single mistake, which itself is sufficient to prove to a logical person that the origin of the Qur’an is Divine.
CREATOR IS THE AUTHOR OF THE QUR’AN
The only logical answer to the question as to who could have mentioned all these scientific facts 1400 years ago before they were discovered, is exactly the same answer initially given by the atheist or any person, to the question who will be the first person who will be able to tell the mechanism of the unknown object. It is the ‘CREATOR’, the producer, the Manufacturer of the whole universe and its contents. In the English language He is ‘God’, or more appropriate in the Arabic language, ‘ALLAH’.
QUR’AN IS A BOOK OF SIGNS AND NOT SCIENCE
Let me remind you that the Qur’an is not a book of Science, ‘S-C-I-E-N-C-E’ but a book of Signs ‘S-I-G-N-S’ i.e. a book of ayaats. The Qur’an contains more than 6,000 ayaats, i.e. ‘signs’, out of which more than a thousand speak about Science. I am not trying to prove that the Qur’an is the word of God using scientific knowledge as a yard stick because any yardstick is supposed to be more superior than what is being checked or verified. For us Muslims the Qur’an is the Furqan i.e. criteria to judge right from wrong and the ultimate yardstick which is more superior to scientific knowledge.
But for an educated man who is an atheist, scientific knowledge is the ultimate test which he believes in. We do know that science many a times takes ‘U’ turns, therefore I have restricted the examples only to scientific facts which have sufficient proof and evidence and not scientific theories based on assumptions. Using the ultimate yardstick of the atheist, I am trying to prove to him that the Qur’an is the word of God and it contains the scientific knowledge which is his yardstick which was discovered recently, while the Qur’an was revealed 1400 year ago. At the end of the discussion, we both come to the same conclusion that God though superior to science, is not incompatible with it.
SCIENCE IS ELIMINATING MODELS OF GOD BUT NOT GOD
Francis Bacon, the famous philosopher, has rightly said that a little knowledge of science makes man an atheist, but an in-depth study of science makes him a believer in God. Scientists today are eliminating models of God, but they are not eliminating God. If you translate this into Arabic, it is La illaha illal la, There is no god, (god with a small ‘g’ that is fake god) but God (with a capital ‘G’).
Surah Fussilat:
"Soon We will show them our signs in the (farthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?"
[Al-Quran 41:53]
Jehova or YEHWAH or what ever to means to cause to be so there it its from god it self
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| THEORY OF PROBABILITY
In mathematics there is a theory known as ‘Theory of Probability’. If you have two options, out of which one is right, and one is wrong, the chances that you will chose the right one is half, i.e. one out of the two will be correct. You have 50% chances of being correct. Similarly if you toss a coin the chances that your guess will be correct is 50% (1 out of 2) i.e. 1/2. If you toss a coin the second time, the chances that you will be correct in the second toss is again 50% i.e. half. But the chances that you will be correct in both the tosses is half multiplied by half (1/2 x 1/2) which is equal to 1/4 i.e. 50% of 50% which is equal to 25%. If you toss a coin the third time, chances that you will be correct all three times is (1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2) that is 1/8 or 50% of 50% of 50% that is 12½%. A dice has got six sides. If you throw a dice and guess any number between 1 to 6, the chances that your guess will be correct is 1/6. If you throw the dice the second time, the chances that your guess will be correct in both the throws is (1/6 x 1/6) which is equal to 1/36. If you throw the dice the third time, the chances that all your three guesses are correct is (1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6) is equal to 1/216 that is less than 0.5 %. Let us apply this theory of probability to the Qur’an, and assume that a person has guessed all the information that is mentioned in the Qur’an which was unknown at that time. Let us discuss the probability of all the guesses being simultaneously correct. At the time when the Qur’an was revealed, people thought the world was flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth. It could be triangular, it could be quadrangular, pentagonal, hexagonal, heptagonal, octagonal, spherical, etc. Lets assume there are about 30 different options for the shape of the earth. The Qur’an rightly says it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being correct is 1/30. The light of the moon can be its own light or a reflected light. The Qur’an rightly says it is a reflected light. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both the guesses i.e the earth is spherical and the light of the moon is reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60. Further, the Qur’an also mentions every living thing is made of water. Every living thing can be made up of either wood, stone, copper, aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, oil, water, cement, concrete, etc. The options are say about 10,000. The Qur’an rightly says that everything is made up of water. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/10,000 and the probability of all the three guesses i.e. the earth is spherical, light of moon is reflected light and everything is created from water being correct is 1/30 x 1/2 x 1/10,000 = 1/60,000 which is equal to about .0017%. The Qur’an speaks about hundreds of things that were not known to men at the time of its revelation. Only in three options the result is .0017%. I leave it upto you, to work out the probability if all the hundreds of the unknown facts were guesses, the chances of all of them being correct guesses simultaneously and there being not a single wrong guess. It is beyond human capacity to make all correct guesses without a single mistake, which itself is sufficient to prove to a logical person that the origin of the Qur’an is Divine. |
Don't be fool. I like math and theory of probability, and you can't use it in quoran. There are a lot of more things u must conclude. Even with the coin , there's not always 50%, the sides may weight diffrent and when you toss a coin the weight play a role, so its not exactly 50%. Saying 50% we assume that the enviroment and everything around is perfect, and there are no other things most of times random events that can change the output. Real life, son, is not perfect so we can't make such assumptions (although when fliping a coin, the % dont change dramatically, so we can assume 50%)! So about earth lol of course earth can be spherical, octagonal, endless, looking like chair or something. There are not 30 but billions of options. But people long time ago argued about two options flat or spherical, and they were most probable other options weren't even considered. So let's say both are 49,5% and the rest of billions options in sum is only 1%. Of course it's not exactly it's just to show you how people are blinded, like to manipulate using science, science tools (like math), and big words, don't know exactly anything about them.
It's like the pascal problem. He said something like: "The God can exist or not. When you don't belive in him you achive nothing and nothing you lose. When you belive him you can go to heaven (or something like that). So why not to belive, when you cant lose anything, but only achieve".
And it's wrong theory and thinking. There can exist 2 gods or more like in Greek or Roman Religion. The gods would like or wouldn't like when you pray to them. There also could be the God in which people belive, and other God who could be more powerful and wouldn't like when people pray to the 1st one, so after dead he could send them to hell or just send cataclisms to earth. There are billions of probabilities, most of them you can't even imagine, not only 2!
And about definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God i agree.
Perhaps it could be a good idea to make a distinction between a PERSONAL GOD and GOD AS A POWER.
Two very different things are suggested. Often there is confusion in these definitions. Many times people say "I believe in God" and another one answer "Yes, me too", but one means personal God and the other God as a power.
A personal God has things similar to emotions and thoughts. He interacts with people. Despise them. Talks to them. Loves them.
God as a power is more refered to as the ultimate power of universe which sustains or creates the world we live in. It's like the ultimate natural power. But this is not a God who has a personal relationship with us.
Two very different things are suggested. Often there is confusion in these definitions. Many times people say "I believe in God" and another one answer "Yes, me too", but one means personal God and the other God as a power.
A personal God has things similar to emotions and thoughts. He interacts with people. Despise them. Talks to them. Loves them.
God as a power is more refered to as the ultimate power of universe which sustains or creates the world we live in. It's like the ultimate natural power. But this is not a God who has a personal relationship with us.
We are all gods. We have not still realized but we are god and god is us.
Czar, exuse me but your sig has an compilation error:
You're a beginner like me? Here is how it should be mate.. :
I'm also a C programming enthusiast, a begineer like you, friend..
Anyway, I do believe in God, it is declared clearly in the bible..
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main() { printf ("My Favourite Host Is Frihost"); } Or My_Favourite_Host_Is_Frihost = 1 if My_Favourite_Host_Is_Frihost: print "Yay, Frihost" |
You're a beginner like me? Here is how it should be mate..
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#include <stdio.h> int main() { printf("My Favourite Host Is Frihost"); int My_Favourite_Host_Is_Frihost = 1; if(My_Favourite_Host_Is_Frihost == 1) { printf("Yay, Frihost"); } return 0; } |
I'm also a C programming enthusiast, a begineer like you, friend..
Anyway, I do believe in God, it is declared clearly in the bible..
The Czar: I'm adult, I've been out of high school for along time.
According to my view, God exists. Without the knowledge of God, not even a leaf can move. And we can say that, God does not reside on any temple or church or mosque. God resides on one's heart, one's mind. God can be identified through one's deeds. If one person does some good work or has some virtue, we can consider him to be a Godly man. But the reverse is also possible. That means, bad deeds can change man into a beast or a devil. There is a saying that the heaven and hell are inside our mind, inside our heart. Likewise, God resides in our mind. God can be reflected in us through our good deeds.So better be consious about one's deeds, one's purpose of life and live accordingly. We can lead a peaceful , pious life. We should love our co-beings, through which we can see God. Try to see the same God in everyone's heart. By doing so , you will not feel any hatred towards your co-beings. Peace will prevail in the whole world.
Thank you
Thank you
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Czar, exuse me but your sig has an compilation error:
You're a beginner like me? Here is how it should be mate.. :
I'm also a C programming enthusiast, a begineer like you, friend..
Anyway, I do believe in God, it is declared clearly in the bible.. |
Why not use void? You're not exactly programming a conditional are you?
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#include <stdio.h> void main() { printf("My Favourite Host Is Frihost"); int My_Favourite_Host_Is_Frihost = 1; if(My_Favourite_Host_Is_Frihost) { //you don't need to add an ==1 here, it assumes that's what you mean printf("Yay, Frihost"); } } |
Unless you use...
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#include <stdio.h> int main() { printf("My Favourite Host Is Frihost"); int My_Favourite_Host_Is_Frihost = 1; if(My_Favourite_Host_Is_Frihost == 1) { printf("Yay, Frihost"); return 1; } else return 0; } |
Anyways, everyone from secondary school upwards (since they started teaching it in secondary school at any rate) knows about the BB theory and evolution and all that stuff, most of us don't need to read up. Yes there might be evidence for these theories, but they're not proof now are they? The evidence could well mean something completely different, and what scientists have come up with seems to be something made to sound convincing just to try and undermine religion.
I have thought a lot about this, if I believe in god. I have come up with the conclusion that I believe there is something out there, but I don’t believe in God.
I do not believe in the bible, it has a lot of stuff that I think is just fiction. It is just a book that has been taken to serious.
I have been tout to pray when I go to bed, eat and do other things, but I have kind of grown out of it.
I do not believe in the bible, it has a lot of stuff that I think is just fiction. It is just a book that has been taken to serious.
I have been tout to pray when I go to bed, eat and do other things, but I have kind of grown out of it.
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| Anyways, everyone from secondary school upwards (since they started teaching it in secondary school at any rate) knows about the BB theory and evolution and all that stuff, most of us don't need to read up. Yes there might be evidence for these theories, but they're not proof now are they? The evidence could well mean something completely different, and what scientists have come up with seems to be something made to sound convincing just to try and undermine religion. |
No they both pretty much been proven. The problems come when people don't read up on them, they become victims of popular misconception which people then use to try and refute them.
I don't believe in god at all. Are we realy supposed to believe all those bible stories and Jesus rose from the dead which doesn't happen and is impossible. Someone cant just put a baby inside you. Its all so stupid.
Nowadays there is a drop of 77% of people going to church compred to the 70s. That just shows people are bussier and have no time for this nonsence.
God is just an overhyped David Blaine
Nowadays there is a drop of 77% of people going to church compred to the 70s. That just shows people are bussier and have no time for this nonsence.
God is just an overhyped David Blaine
You should not declare int main() as void main(). The compiler probably won't give you an error, because it is syntactically correct, but when the function main() is called from the C runtime library it will expect an integer to be returned. If you declare it as void it won't necessarily return the correct exit status (like EXIT_SUCCESS) to the environment which invoked it.
And IMHO God exists.
And IMHO God exists.
whether you believe in God depends on whether you believe any part of the bible. If you believe in part of the bible, you believe in God. There are some people that won't believe in the bible no matter how much proof is provided. Those people can't be helped.
ok..
1: are ther a god of some sort!? NO!!
2: Are ther anything else? YES!!
The only explanation for "not explainable things" is: God!
"Ok, I just saw something wierd.. That must be god.."
Good! then you don't have to think it over any more! case closed, sleep well..
Well.. what do I belive?
No god. What should we use a god for? We can handle everything by us self today, what should we use god for?
But what about the spiritual folks? are they all nuts?
No, I don't think so, and I don't think that the one whriting the bible in the beginning was a complete idiot..
I belive in souls, not in the body psysiklly, but around us, they are the one to control the things around us that we cannot see.. and I belive its there!!
Hope it was understandable.. if not.. too bad...
1: are ther a god of some sort!? NO!!
2: Are ther anything else? YES!!
The only explanation for "not explainable things" is: God!
"Ok, I just saw something wierd.. That must be god.."
Good! then you don't have to think it over any more! case closed, sleep well..
Well.. what do I belive?
No god. What should we use a god for? We can handle everything by us self today, what should we use god for?
But what about the spiritual folks? are they all nuts?
No, I don't think so, and I don't think that the one whriting the bible in the beginning was a complete idiot..
I belive in souls, not in the body psysiklly, but around us, they are the one to control the things around us that we cannot see.. and I belive its there!!
Hope it was understandable.. if not.. too bad...
guys pls thinks this, do you thinks all the great world its maked without by creator ? I dont thinks so. God is the great creator. He make me and you with perfect and complicated system. and the good one, He give a freedom to us to think or do anything. Even he give His Son to the earth for save our souls because our sin.
| The Conspirator wrote: |
| The Czar: I'm adult, I've been out of high school for along time. |
I am a high schooler
and I put or because that works in python ...
The question here is: Do you believe in God?
And guess what, there isn't a right answer. What a person believes is their own preference. But if you were to talk about what a person SHOULD believe, then the correct answer would be to believe in the bible. Because the bible holds so much truth in it. There is so much in there that has come true and has happened, and if you make me, I'll prove it. Now, if a person were to believe in the bible, then the next correct move would to believe the whole bible. In believing the whole bible, they would simply have to believe in God.
It's all a matter of how you look at things. If you choose to believe in the bible, then there is a God, if you choose to ignore all facts and be totally blind, then you can believe that there isn't a god.
And guess what, there isn't a right answer. What a person believes is their own preference. But if you were to talk about what a person SHOULD believe, then the correct answer would be to believe in the bible. Because the bible holds so much truth in it. There is so much in there that has come true and has happened, and if you make me, I'll prove it. Now, if a person were to believe in the bible, then the next correct move would to believe the whole bible. In believing the whole bible, they would simply have to believe in God.
It's all a matter of how you look at things. If you choose to believe in the bible, then there is a God, if you choose to ignore all facts and be totally blind, then you can believe that there isn't a god.
I believe i may be god
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| Because the bible holds so much truth in it. There is so much in there that has come true and has happened, and if you make me, I'll prove it. |
I encourage you to try.
I can only say: I believe there is no God That's right, I hold it as one of my beliefs, as I cannot honestly say I know one way or another. And I certainly don't disrespect anybody who believes in God, especially if that helps them live a more decent life and strive to be a better person! Peace
That's right, I hold it as one of my beliefs, as I cannot honestly say I know one way or another. And I certainly don't disrespect anybody who believes in God, especially if that helps them live a more decent life and strive to be a better person! Peace I certainly believe that there is a God. Even if I had not been born into a Christian family, all I have to do is look around me. There is no way that this universe came into being simply by chance. There is a Supreme Being in control..
Here you go... And this is just touching on the surface!
http://www.100prophecies.org/default.htm
http://www.bprc.org/topics/fulfill.html
http://www.spiritualcuriosity.com/curiosity/bible.htm
http://www.bible.ca/b-prophecy-60.htm
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-t003.html
http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/prophecy.shtml
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/fulfill.shtml
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| The Conspirator wrote: | ||
I encourage you to try. |
Here you go...
And this is just touching on the surface!
http://www.100prophecies.org/default.htm
http://www.bprc.org/topics/fulfill.html
http://www.spiritualcuriosity.com/curiosity/bible.htm
http://www.bible.ca/b-prophecy-60.htm
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-t003.html
http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/prophecy.shtml
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/fulfill.shtml
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Ok here is the thing god is real no matter what you say. He made the earth he made man and women he made animals and all that happened in the bible happened. ITs all true. We are all realted if u didnt know thanks to adam and eve which were brought to us by "god" There is an afetrlife in heaven or hell (for all u bad ppl). I believe in god more then anythign else and i hope you all do too no matter what because when u die and find out he was real ur going to hell. Burn!!! Burn!! burn!! This is true ill be laughing at you in heaven j/k but god is real. Also u dotn have to be christian to believe in god.
i do but there are much more questions i would like to get answers to, dealing to the concept of a belief.
Yes I do, and I'm not going to discuss anything about it. I hope for all of you that you will meet a real Christian someday, and that his life -not only his words- will convince you of God.
| Rocky3478 wrote: | ||||
I certainly believe that there is a God. Even if I had not been born into a Christian family, all I have to do is look around me. There is no way that this universe came into being simply by chance. There is a Supreme Being in control..
Here you go... And this is just touching on the surface!
http://www.100prophecies.org/default.htm http://www.bprc.org/topics/fulfill.html http://www.spiritualcuriosity.com/curiosity/bible.htm http://www.bible.ca/b-prophecy-60.htm http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-t003.html http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/prophecy.shtml http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/fulfill.shtml |
Before I say anything, remember this. If a prophecy can not be proven to have came before the event than should be considered false, if the prophecy is vague and can be interpreted different ways than should be considered false.
Since there allot of "prophecy's" on those sites I will only talk about a few.
http://www.100prophecies.org/page1.htm
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| 1. Abraham's descendants would have their own country
Bible passage: Genesis 15:18 Written: perhaps 1400 BC Fulfilled: 1400 BC and in 1948 The Bible’s book of Genesis explains that about 4000 years ago, the Lord found a man who had strong faith. That man’s name was Abraham. In Genesis 12:1-3, the Lord calls out to Abraham and chooses to reward him. In Genesis 15:18, the Lord said that Abraham’s descendants would have their own country, and that this country would be between the river of Egypt and the Euphrates River. (People sometimes call this the Promised Land.) Genesis also explains that this promise of land to the descendants of Abraham was inherited by Abraham’s son, Isaac, and then by Abraham’s grandson, Jacob. Jacob is the father of the 12 Tribes of Israel. (This web site uses the terms Jews, Israelites, people of Israel, and Hebrews, interchangeably.) This prophecy of nationhood has been fulfilled more than once. About 3400 years ago, the Hebrew descendants of Abraham first established Israel. The Bible’s book of Joshua explains how Joshua led the Israelites into the land that had been promised to them, as descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and established the nation of Israel. |
Theres no profe that the prediction predated the events described, no scrool or tablate with any insgriptions of such a prediction has been found to bredate the evints.
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| 2. Jacob saw a vision of Israel's future
Bible passage: Genesis 28:10-15 Written: perhaps 1400 BC Fulfilled: Throughout history In Genesis 28:10-15, the Bible says that Jacob, who lived about 4000 years ago, received a vision from God about the future of his descendants (the Israelites, who today are commonly called "Jews"). The vision accurately foretold their future. Here is our summary: 1. Jacob's descendants would have Israel as their own country. (Gen. 28:13). This was fulfilled about 3400 years ago when the Israelites first established Israel. 2. The Israelites would be like dust, spreading out to the east, west, north and south. (Gen. 28:14). Throughout history, the Jews have been scattered worldwide. They are the first and only group of people to be scattered worldwide. 3. The Israelites would have a worldwide impact. (Gen. 28:14). Jews have had a tremendous worldwide impact in science, art, literature, economics, music and theology. The worldwide spread of Christianity began 2000 years ago by Jews who were followers of Jesus. 4. Jacob’s descendants would be brought back to Israel. (Gen. 28:15). This began to be fulfilled during the late 1800s when many Jews worldwide began returning to their ancient homeland. They re-established Israel's independence in 1948. - Copyright AboutBibleProphecy.com and 100prophecies.org Genesis 28:10-15 Jacob ... had a dream in which he saw a stairway resting on the earth, with its top reaching to heaven, and the angels of God were ascending and descending on it. There above it stood the Lord, and he said: "I am the Lord, the God of your father Abraham and the God of Isaac. I will give you and your descendants the land on which you are lying. Your descendants will be like the dust of the earth, and you will spread out to the west and to the east, to the north and to the south. All peoples on earth will be blessed through you and your offspring. I am with you and will watch over you wherever you go, and I will bring you back to this land. I will not leave you until I have done what I have promised you." |
| bible wrote: |
| {28:13} And, behold, the
LORD stood above it, and said, I [am] the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed; {28:14} And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed. {28:15} And, behold, I [am] with thee, and will keep thee in all [places] whither thou goest, and will bring thee again into this land; for I will not leave thee, until I have done [that] which I have spoken to thee of.] |
As I said if is interpritationable, that is interpritation, it can be interprited the way the site intrprits it but it can be interprited as the isrealits will grow and spread across the world as they grow not through being kick off there land.
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| 3. Counting Abraham's descendants would be like counting the stars
Bible passage: Genesis 15:5 Written: perhaps 1400 BC Fulfilled: Throughout history In Genesis 15:5, the Bible said that Abraham would have many descendants and that counting them would be like counting the stars. The fulfillment of this prophecy is obvious. In fact it is so obvious that it can be easily overlooked: Abraham is the only person revered by large numbers of people throughout world as being their ancestor. He is the father of the Jewish people, as explained in the book of Genesis, through his son Isaac, and through Isaac's son Israel. Christians become descendants of Abraham through faith (Galatians 3:29), just as Abraham became the father of many nations through faith (Genesis chapters 12-17; Romans 4:1 .
And many other peoples count themselves as descendants of Abraham, through his son Ishmael. It also should be noted that the first part of his name, "Ab," means "father," and that his name was changed by God. The reason for the change is explained in Genesis 17:5, for which the NIV translation is: No longer will you be called Abram; your name will be Abraham, for I have made you a father of many nations. - Copyright AboutBibleProphecy.com and 100prophecies.org Genesis 15:5 He took him outside and said, "Look up at the heavens and count the stars - if indeed you can count them." Then he said to him, "So shall your offspring be." |
Again a most probably postdiction.
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| 4. The people of Israel would be scattered worldwide
Bible passage: Deuteronomy 28:64 Written: perhaps 1400 BC Fulfilled: 721 BC, 586 BC, 70 AD, 135 AD, modern times In Deuteronomy 28:64, the Bible said the Jews would be scattered worldwide. This prophecy has been fulfilled in detail. Take a look at the explanation of the Jewish "Diaspora," which means "scattering," from the Columbia Encyclopedia, Fifth Edition: "… by 70 A.D. Jewish communities existed in Babylonia, Syria, Egypt, Cyrene, Asia Minor, Greece, and Rome. Jews followed the Romans into Europe and from Persia and Babylonia spread as far east as China. In modern times, Jews have migrated to the Americas, South Africa, and Australia. The Jewish population of Central and Eastern Europe, until World War II the largest in the world, was decimated in the Holocaust. Despite the creation of the state of Israel in 1948, the vast majority of the Jewish people remains in the Diaspora, notably in North America, Russia, and Ukraine." - Copyright AboutBibleProphecy.com and 100prophecies.org Deuteronomy 28:64 Then the Lord will scatter you among all nations, from one end of the earth to the other. … |
| bible wrote: |
| {28:1} And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken
diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe [and] to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth: {28:2} And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God. {28:3} Blessed [shalt] thou [be] in the city, and blessed [shalt] thou [be] in the field. {28:4} Blessed [shall be] the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep. {28:5} Blessed [shall be] thy basket and thy store. {28:6} Blessed [shalt] thou [be] when thou comest in, and blessed [shalt] thou [be] when thou goest out. {28:7} The LORD shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways. {28:8} The LORD shall command the blessing upon thee in thy storehouses, and in all that thou settest thine hand unto; and he shall bless thee in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. {28:9} The LORD shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, and walk in his ways. {28:10} And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of the LORD; and they shall be afraid of thee. {28:11} And the LORD shall make thee plenteous in goods, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers to give thee. {28:12} The LORD shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow. {28:13} And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do [them: ]{28:14} And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, to the right hand, or [to] the left, to go after other gods to serve them. {28:15} But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee: {28:16} Cursed [shalt] thou [be] in the city, and cursed [shalt] thou [be] in the field. {28:17} Cursed [shall be] thy basket and thy store. {28:18} Cursed [shall be] the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep. {28:19} Cursed [shalt] thou [be] when thou comest in, and cursed [shalt] thou [be] when thou goest out. {28:20} The LORD shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me. {28:21} |
Sin and thou shalt be cursed!
See how things seem different if you read whats above and below it?
And "if" is not a "will". "if you do this bad things will happen" is not the same as "bad things will happen"
I will debunk more later, I don't feel like it now.
If your going to look for proof of God using a google search, you should look for proof theres no God with a google search. Look at both side of the coin.
Okay being a Christian, I will take that challenge. When I googled the first that I found was (and I admit it was already debunked, but I will repeat it here):
Which is just plain wrong, and it comes from a basic misunderstanding of waves (forget quantum mechanics, the uncertainty principle can be seen as purely classical). If we put constraints on where a wave can be, it must necessarily have a broad range of frequencies. So therefore, if I know what position a wave has, I do not know exactly what frequency it has. Conversely, if a wave has only one frequency, it must extend for an infinite distance.
So to paraphrase this argument: Because I know the position of a wave, on a piece of string, God cannot tell me exactly what frequency it has. Which is patent nonsense, because the wave doesn't have one particular frequency, it has many.
Quantum mechanics works much the same way, with momentum playing the role of frequency, and position the role of, well, position. The argument is equally wrong there for the same reasons.
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| It is impossible to know the exact position and momentum of a particle at the same time. It is also impossible to know the exact kinetic energy of a particle in a finite amount of time, which is particularly useful for estimating spectral line widths. This comes in conflict with the ability of god to know everything that will happen. |
Which is just plain wrong, and it comes from a basic misunderstanding of waves (forget quantum mechanics, the uncertainty principle can be seen as purely classical). If we put constraints on where a wave can be, it must necessarily have a broad range of frequencies. So therefore, if I know what position a wave has, I do not know exactly what frequency it has. Conversely, if a wave has only one frequency, it must extend for an infinite distance.
So to paraphrase this argument: Because I know the position of a wave, on a piece of string, God cannot tell me exactly what frequency it has. Which is patent nonsense, because the wave doesn't have one particular frequency, it has many.
Quantum mechanics works much the same way, with momentum playing the role of frequency, and position the role of, well, position. The argument is equally wrong there for the same reasons.
i have found this bout the god's existence.
The debate concerning God’s existence has, of course, been going on for millenia. That does not mean, however, that no progress has been made. Some of the classic arguments for God’s existence have been largely abandoned, others have been refined, and new arguments or points about arguments do regularly appear. The search for an answer to the question of God’s existence should not be written off as futile simply because the question is an old one.
If There is a God, then What is He Like?
Many arguments seek to exploit a perceived incoherence in the traditional doctrines concerning God’s nature, raising questions as to how those doctrines are best formulated. The challenge If God is just, then how can he also be forgiving?, for instance, has led theists to understand both God’s justice and his forgiveness in ways that can be reconciled. The challenge If God is all-knowing, then how can our choices be free? has prompted a similar approach to divine omniscience and human freedom. The arguments for atheism, then, no less than the arguments for theism, influence the way that theists conceive of God, so contribute to the project of answering the question If there is a God, then what is he like?
If God exists then we were created for a purpose; we are valued, loved. If God exists then we also have an incentive, not to mention a moral duty, to fulfil this purpose; our eternal fate hangs on whether we follow God, as we were created to, or rebel against his authority. Classical theism is therefore often felt to restrict our freedom, but to do so not because we are unimportant, but because we are important and so have a duty of care to ourselves and to others. Theism thus affirms our value even as it constrains our freedom.
The debate concerning God’s existence has, of course, been going on for millenia. That does not mean, however, that no progress has been made. Some of the classic arguments for God’s existence have been largely abandoned, others have been refined, and new arguments or points about arguments do regularly appear. The search for an answer to the question of God’s existence should not be written off as futile simply because the question is an old one.
If There is a God, then What is He Like?
Many arguments seek to exploit a perceived incoherence in the traditional doctrines concerning God’s nature, raising questions as to how those doctrines are best formulated. The challenge If God is just, then how can he also be forgiving?, for instance, has led theists to understand both God’s justice and his forgiveness in ways that can be reconciled. The challenge If God is all-knowing, then how can our choices be free? has prompted a similar approach to divine omniscience and human freedom. The arguments for atheism, then, no less than the arguments for theism, influence the way that theists conceive of God, so contribute to the project of answering the question If there is a God, then what is he like?
If God exists then we were created for a purpose; we are valued, loved. If God exists then we also have an incentive, not to mention a moral duty, to fulfil this purpose; our eternal fate hangs on whether we follow God, as we were created to, or rebel against his authority. Classical theism is therefore often felt to restrict our freedom, but to do so not because we are unimportant, but because we are important and so have a duty of care to ourselves and to others. Theism thus affirms our value even as it constrains our freedom.
God is nature.
God is love.
God is wisdom.
God is so many things.
But I think we've forgotten about these things we call "God."
A simple answer to, in turn, simplify the minds of those posessed.
God is love.
God is wisdom.
God is so many things.
But I think we've forgotten about these things we call "God."
A simple answer to, in turn, simplify the minds of those posessed.
If you mean a being of infinte age, and power
I have to say yes.
I have to say yes.
There are so many levels of God, it would be unwise to try to know for certain God's existence. Yet it seems it has become our Philosophy and Religion obsession.
God is nature. What is nature?
God is love. What is love? baby don't hurt me
God is wisdom. What the f... is wisdom?!
So many other things... should not we be figuring these out first?
God is nature. What is nature?
God is love. What is love? baby don't hurt me
God is wisdom. What the f... is wisdom?!
So many other things... should not we be figuring these out first?
| nopaniers wrote: | ||
Which is just plain wrong, and it comes from a basic misunderstanding of waves (forget quantum mechanics, the uncertainty principle can be seen as purely classical). If we put constraints on where a wave can be, it must necessarily have a broad range of frequencies. So therefore, if I know what position a wave has, I do not know exactly what frequency it has. Conversely, if a wave has only one frequency, it must extend for an infinite distance. |
or its a misunderstanding of who god is. we tend to feel we could fathom what he is capable of, but by doing so, we usually just end up "defining" him short.
the perception of god is highly subjective.
...well, it is to me.
...well, it is to me.
Isn't there enough posts about God?
There are other religious and philosophical subjects, many more important than God.
There are other religious and philosophical subjects, many more important than God.
ows.. god can mean those things too, you know... if you really think about it.
I'm a Roman Catholic by family religion, but you won't find me upholding the faith in any way.
Personally, I don't really believe in God. Of course, I do believe in some sort of a Higher power, yet God doesn't seem to do it for me. Ideally, things like muses, the etheric web, etc. are more up my alley. I (and I must express that this is my opinion) just think that time and society have twisted the concept of God so much that we can hardly recognise any substantial, truthful information about him/her/it/whatever without somebody else speaking over us and even contradicting what we supposedly know. For the Goddess's sake ... for all we know, God could be an enormous serpent slithering through the heavens with a white beard and red socks on.
That's just my opinion.
Personally, I don't really believe in God. Of course, I do believe in some sort of a Higher power, yet God doesn't seem to do it for me. Ideally, things like muses, the etheric web, etc. are more up my alley. I (and I must express that this is my opinion) just think that time and society have twisted the concept of God so much that we can hardly recognise any substantial, truthful information about him/her/it/whatever without somebody else speaking over us and even contradicting what we supposedly know. For the Goddess's sake ... for all we know, God could be an enormous serpent slithering through the heavens with a white beard and red socks on.
That's just my opinion.
| The Conspirator wrote: |
| Isn't there enough posts about God?
There are other religious and philosophical subjects, many more important than God. |
God is broad, as I have previously implied. So maybe there are other religious and philosophical subjects, many that might better explain God. Why don't you try posting some, Conspy.
To debate the existance of god is futile, for there can be no evidence brought forward that can either prove or disprove(unless god one day came down and told us ). One can always ask "why?" once more until the answer is simply "because". So there will always be questions unanswered, and so there will always be people who will find the answer, "because god made it so", God is unknown, unseen, unheard, and yet all around. There are three ways(I know of) to look at the unknown, it just is, it is because God made it so, or there is a reason why it is this way, we just don't know it yet.
). One can always ask "why?" once more until the answer is simply "because". So there will always be questions unanswered, and so there will always be people who will find the answer, "because god made it so", God is unknown, unseen, unheard, and yet all around. There are three ways(I know of) to look at the unknown, it just is, it is because God made it so, or there is a reason why it is this way, we just don't know it yet.If God did not exist, then explain the fall of the Berlin wall?
Comunisim, .......somthing rose up..... and it wasent a monkey taking a shave and learning to play playstation thas for sure!
If God dose not exist then over 500,000 people in berlin in one public group were preying to nothing 2 weeks before the wall fell.....
Comunisim, .......somthing rose up..... and it wasent a monkey taking a shave and learning to play playstation thas for sure!
If God dose not exist then over 500,000 people in berlin in one public group were preying to nothing 2 weeks before the wall fell.....
God is beyond space and time. Human mind is bound by two constraints--space and time. For example, can you think of a "situation" where there is no time? Can you think of 4 dimensions? Or 4 dimensional object?
Just like this God is beyond our reach. Trying to know about him is a hard process. Even then some people try to know through meditation and penance. There are many ways to reach God. Just do your Dharma-duty. And you know God.
Just like this God is beyond our reach. Trying to know about him is a hard process. Even then some people try to know through meditation and penance. There are many ways to reach God. Just do your Dharma-duty. And you know God.
| We r the SYC wrote: |
| If God did not exist, then explain the fall of the Berlin wall?
Comunisim, .......somthing rose up..... and it wasent a monkey taking a shave and learning to play playstation thas for sure! If God dose not exist then over 500,000 people in berlin in one public group were preying to nothing 2 weeks before the wall fell..... |
that is the weakest argument I've ever read. I don't even need t refute it, just run it through your head once.
| The Conspirator wrote: | ||
that is the weakest argument I've ever read. I don't even need t refute it, just run it through your head once. |
Then again, I think I've had a conversation similar to this with you before. I could put mountains of evidence in front of you. All you would do is reject it. God could come down, slap you across the face, and you would dismiss it. Why? Because you've already made up your mind, just as We r the SYC has. And you can try to refute as many arguments as you want with me, but it's futile. Just as it's futile for me to try and refute you. I believe we're just at a stalemate.
I believe GOD is there.
What is he like?
Thats very important to answer...
Does Breeze Exists!!!
Has any one seen the breeze.....
I have not seen ....
But I have felt it.
I have felt it over the sea on a summer night...
God is there ... he is there every where.. just have to feel it...
Sandeepta
What is he like?
Thats very important to answer...
Does Breeze Exists!!!
Has any one seen the breeze.....
I have not seen ....
But I have felt it.
I have felt it over the sea on a summer night...
God is there ... he is there every where.. just have to feel it...
Sandeepta
| cvkien wrote: |
| i have found this bout the god's existence.
The debate concerning God’s existence has, of course, been going on for millenia. That does not mean, however, that no progress has been made. Some of the classic arguments for God’s existence have been largely abandoned, others have been refined, and new arguments or points about arguments do regularly appear. The search for an answer to the question of God’s existence should not be written off as futile simply because the question is an old one. If There is a God, then What is He Like? Many arguments seek to exploit a perceived incoherence in the traditional doctrines concerning God’s nature, raising questions as to how those doctrines are best formulated. The challenge If God is just, then how can he also be forgiving?, for instance, has led theists to understand both God’s justice and his forgiveness in ways that can be reconciled. The challenge If God is all-knowing, then how can our choices be free? has prompted a similar approach to divine omniscience and human freedom. The arguments for atheism, then, no less than the arguments for theism, influence the way that theists conceive of God, so contribute to the project of answering the question If there is a God, then what is he like? If God exists then we were created for a purpose; we are valued, loved. If God exists then we also have an incentive, not to mention a moral duty, to fulfil this purpose; our eternal fate hangs on whether we follow God, as we were created to, or rebel against his authority. Classical theism is therefore often felt to restrict our freedom, but to do so not because we are unimportant, but because we are important and so have a duty of care to ourselves and to others. Theism thus affirms our value even as it constrains our freedom. |
A force.....
A shadow thats there always beside you...
A light at the other side of the tunnel.....
But above all he is there for you IF YOU BELIEVE IN HIM....
A shadow thats there always beside you...
A light at the other side of the tunnel.....
But above all he is there for you IF YOU BELIEVE IN HIM....
| haak_heu wrote: |
| How will you define God ? |
| Soulfire wrote: | ||||
Then again, I think I've had a conversation similar to this with you before. I could put mountains of evidence in front of you. All you would do is reject it. God could come down, slap you across the face, and you would dismiss it. Why? Because you've already made up your mind, just as We r the SYC has. And you can try to refute as many arguments as you want with me, but it's futile. Just as it's futile for me to try and refute you. I believe we're just at a stalemate. |
No I looked, there is none, if there where I would acknowledge it and look at it but I don't don't look at the universe with religious eyes, I don't look to faith. I look at the evidence, I've seen no evidence of God, everything every one has presented as evidence of God has been braced on misconceptions, urban legends, ignorants on particular subjects and things that have rational and more plausible explanations. I fit my view around what the evidence says I don't fit the evidence around my view.
Even you can see the flaw in We r the SYC argument. he's arguing that it was the prayers of people and Gods will that brought the Berlin Wall down when we all know, that it was the collapsing communist structures of eastern Europe, collapsing due to the flaws in the communist system.