are we in the matrix........?
Is the Matrix Real?
Im supposed to be helpful on these forums so YEAH IT IS REAL!!! HAVE FUN!! lol
leaving ur unhelpful or wunted sarcasim, its not as impossable or unlikly as it sounds........,
I don't know. Is it? Are we in the matrix? Can you prove that we are NOT in the matrix? Can you prove that the matix we are in is not inside ANOTHER matrix!?
The answer is: No, you cannot prove we are in, or not in, the matrix.
Although, if we WERE, wouldn't something be trying to filter out our knowledge of the matrix? Or would it be using revese psychology to make us think it is not possible to be in the matrix.
Red pill or blue pill?
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The answer is: No, you cannot prove we are in, or not in, the matrix.
Although, if we WERE, wouldn't something be trying to filter out our knowledge of the matrix? Or would it be using revese psychology to make us think it is not possible to be in the matrix.
Red pill or blue pill?
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Just like Hogwarts... Is it possible for our minds to think of something more than this world we live in. The world "we think is true"?
Platon's Cave Analogy is pretty interesting:
The people are similar to humans being tied in a cave, so they are just able to look at a wall in the cave. Onto this wall shadows of artificial things are casted by an invisible fire behind the person. The tied human thinks these shadows of images are the reality, which are but the sensual appearances. The things themselves, that casted the shadows, are just visible to the man who has got rid of his ties: He realises that the shadows are just projections of the real things.
Now when this person leaves the cave, he first gets blinded by the daylight, the light of the upper world, and he first will only see shadows and reflections; after a process of adaptation he'll see the things themselves and finally the sun, and understand that it is the main reason of being.
Platon's Cave Analogy is pretty interesting:
The people are similar to humans being tied in a cave, so they are just able to look at a wall in the cave. Onto this wall shadows of artificial things are casted by an invisible fire behind the person. The tied human thinks these shadows of images are the reality, which are but the sensual appearances. The things themselves, that casted the shadows, are just visible to the man who has got rid of his ties: He realises that the shadows are just projections of the real things.
Now when this person leaves the cave, he first gets blinded by the daylight, the light of the upper world, and he first will only see shadows and reflections; after a process of adaptation he'll see the things themselves and finally the sun, and understand that it is the main reason of being.
I saw the first Matrix as having an anti-capitalist statement at it's core. So in that regard, yes.
The reality of the situation could in fact be that we are all part of the same entity, multiple personalities if you will. All created along with the world around us as an elaborate dreamworld designed to quell the boredom faced by such a large intellect trapped in an otherwise empty eternity. Our notions of a higher power and unified spirituality could stem from the subconscious acknowledgement of that fact.
In short, reality is just a word and thus entirely dependant upon perception. therefore your 'reality' could be shattered in an action or a word as was the case in the Matrix for Neo.
Who knows?
The reality of the situation could in fact be that we are all part of the same entity, multiple personalities if you will. All created along with the world around us as an elaborate dreamworld designed to quell the boredom faced by such a large intellect trapped in an otherwise empty eternity. Our notions of a higher power and unified spirituality could stem from the subconscious acknowledgement of that fact.
In short, reality is just a word and thus entirely dependant upon perception. therefore your 'reality' could be shattered in an action or a word as was the case in the Matrix for Neo.
Who knows?
| We r the SYC wrote: |
| are we in the matrix........? |
Great question! A few more steps and you would be asking "How do we know that we know?" (Which is philosophical you know...)
| puredazzle wrote: |
| Just like Hogwarts... Is it possible for our minds to think of something more than this world we live in. The world "we think is true"?
Platon's Cave Analogy is pretty interesting: The people are similar to humans being tied in a cave, so they are just able to look at a wall in the cave. Onto this wall shadows of artificial things are casted by an invisible fire behind the person. The tied human thinks these shadows of images are the reality, which are but the sensual appearances. The things themselves, that casted the shadows, are just visible to the man who has got rid of his ties: He realises that the shadows are just projections of the real things. Now when this person leaves the cave, he first gets blinded by the daylight, the light of the upper world, and he first will only see shadows and reflections; after a process of adaptation he'll see the things themselves and finally the sun, and understand that it is the main reason of being. |
Or Decartes question: "How do I know I am not a butterfly dreaming that it is human?"
| puredazzle wrote: |
| Just like Hogwarts... Is it possible for our minds to think of something more than this world we live in. The world "we think is true"?
Platon's Cave Analogy is pretty interesting: The people are similar to humans being tied in a cave, so they are just able to look at a wall in the cave. Onto this wall shadows of artificial things are casted by an invisible fire behind the person. The tied human thinks these shadows of images are the reality, which are but the sensual appearances. The things themselves, that casted the shadows, are just visible to the man who has got rid of his ties: He realises that the shadows are just projections of the real things. Now when this person leaves the cave, he first gets blinded by the daylight, the light of the upper world, and he first will only see shadows and reflections; after a process of adaptation he'll see the things themselves and finally the sun, and understand that it is the main reason of being. |
hmm.. i particularly like this ideology of Plato. Giving alternative beliefs that are not the same as that of a godly presence of a divine being. it places humans into higher steps by making themselves the master of themselves and not under a divine being. Reminds me of Apology and Phaedrus..
and regarding the matrix. ask a psychiatrist or a psychologist, i think they will give excellent answers as they are good interpersonal thinkers! hehe
Is there a god?
Give me proof there is a god, proof based on a platform of logic, and if it makes sense and is indeed logical, I will believe you.
Ditto Matrix.
Give me proof there is a god, proof based on a platform of logic, and if it makes sense and is indeed logical, I will believe you.
Ditto Matrix.
Well, in fact it would be possible that we live in a matrix because
we don't really know how is this universe is made.
Maybe we live in the dream of somebody else or
maybe we just don't exist at all. I really think that
it is almost impossible to know what is this reality
and how it was created.
For the paradox of this question,
the only way to end it would be to prove
that we just don't exist or live or anything else
and by the same time, the fact of knowing this
would make no sense because if we don't exist,
nobody could know that.
My only theory would be that the time would
by cyclic and the temporal stamps would end
into a loop that would auto-recreate itself
and restart everything. So, if i'm correct,
the end would be the beginning so nobody or nothing
would have created us from scratch then make us evolve and live.
I really think we cannot know the awnsers and will never know them.
we don't really know how is this universe is made.
Maybe we live in the dream of somebody else or
maybe we just don't exist at all. I really think that
it is almost impossible to know what is this reality
and how it was created.
For the paradox of this question,
the only way to end it would be to prove
that we just don't exist or live or anything else
and by the same time, the fact of knowing this
would make no sense because if we don't exist,
nobody could know that.
My only theory would be that the time would
by cyclic and the temporal stamps would end
into a loop that would auto-recreate itself
and restart everything. So, if i'm correct,
the end would be the beginning so nobody or nothing
would have created us from scratch then make us evolve and live.
I really think we cannot know the awnsers and will never know them.
Hell Yeah!
I read a entire book about it and I am convited about. We can be in a Matrix know, and it can be a matrix inside another matrix inside another, inside another, and so on...
And the wally is in the last one
I read a entire book about it and I am convited about. We can be in a Matrix know, and it can be a matrix inside another matrix inside another, inside another, and so on...
And the wally is in the last one
it's really interesting to think what the world consist of... we know that the table that my computure stands on is of wood. and wood consists of atom. and atoms is elemtaryparticles. but what does they consists of? and the thing that the other consists of?!
it is a lot of questions. like; if we think that everything consist of atoms... does my thoughts and my emotions also consists of atoms?
it is a lot of questions. like; if we think that everything consist of atoms... does my thoughts and my emotions also consists of atoms?
No. We're not in the Matrix.
You want to know how I know - if there was a real Matrix, then there's no way the machines would allow us to be conscious of the fact that it might exist. They would have removed any mention of it, in order to sustain normality. Why go to so much effort to make us unaware, and then let it come out in a movie?
You want to know how I know - if there was a real Matrix, then there's no way the machines would allow us to be conscious of the fact that it might exist. They would have removed any mention of it, in order to sustain normality. Why go to so much effort to make us unaware, and then let it come out in a movie?
I love Quantum Physics...
The Matrix, and other ideas that seem so close yet so far away challenge our minds and what we think is true and real. We all have trouble even questioning our own truth and reality, so much for some that we can't even think outside our boxes. We can't consider the possibilities in their full forms. We either have "truth" or "God" or some other reason or virtue that is not letting our minds consider the possibilities outside of what we think is possible.
By the way, if you want a nice mind-challenge in this sense, read Velikovsky's Worlds In Collision ... it's quite amazing.
The Matrix, and other ideas that seem so close yet so far away challenge our minds and what we think is true and real. We all have trouble even questioning our own truth and reality, so much for some that we can't even think outside our boxes. We can't consider the possibilities in their full forms. We either have "truth" or "God" or some other reason or virtue that is not letting our minds consider the possibilities outside of what we think is possible.
By the way, if you want a nice mind-challenge in this sense, read Velikovsky's Worlds In Collision ... it's quite amazing.
THE matrix, No. A matrix, maybe. It all depends on how you look at life. You could look at it in one way and see one thing and in another another way.
| GProject wrote: |
| No. We're not in the Matrix.
You want to know how I know - if there was a real Matrix, then there's no way the machines would allow us to be conscious of the fact that it might exist. They would have removed any mention of it, in order to sustain normality. Why go to so much effort to make us unaware, and then let it come out in a movie? |
Yep, but if we are in a matrix and we know it, so we are "bugs", kind of anomalies in the program, just like in the movie and you know, we have to take care...
Nothing can be perfect, not even the machines.
No.
If we were in a Matrix, then it would have been designed to placate us, and keep us happy as it was in the movie.
If that were the case, then the machines would never have permitted the invention of Ex-Wives and Divorce Settlements.
Simple really, isn't it? Case Closed.
If we were in a Matrix, then it would have been designed to placate us, and keep us happy as it was in the movie.
If that were the case, then the machines would never have permitted the invention of Ex-Wives and Divorce Settlements.
Simple really, isn't it? Case Closed.
I don't belive in a thing like the matrix.. but a really great concept and a really good movie!!!
| We r the SYC wrote: |
| are we in the matrix........? |
Yes and no.
No, is not like in mouvie.
Yes, someone realy control our lives.
Someone controll us ? how about your free will ? you can do anything, good thing or bad thing, you can be a saint or a serial killer, no one controll your life. its all depend your self, you will a good person or a bad person, its your choice... we are not in a matrix, we are in the beautifull world. God created beautiful world for us, so lets make all be nice and beatifull
I think that "the Matrix" might actually be closer to the reality than we anticipate. There is a real reason for this suspicion and that is called physics. Modern physics is currently pushing out knowledge towards the creation of the universe, and a full understanding of the laws that govern it. And it seems the more we learn the stranger it seems.
The texture of the universe is far more complicated than we previously knew. That much is clear.
The texture of the universe is far more complicated than we previously knew. That much is clear.
Needra:
"THE matrix, No. A matrix, maybe. It all depends on how you look at life. You could look at it in one way and see one thing and in another another way."
"THE matrix, No. A matrix, maybe. It all depends on how you look at life. You could look at it in one way and see one thing and in another another way."
Well... I could spout off analytical theories that have popped into my head also... although it is good to wonder, and question things... don't rack your brain on trying to figure out how to find out when you really can't...
Good question. Can you think of an experiment which would allow you to tell the difference? I can't...
Matrix is real? Man, you should really go outside into nature.
depends on what people believe a matrix may be. i've thought about it a few times but not in the same way as the movie. by this i mean neo is not real nor is morpheus and some ideas from the movie may be complete bull. i believe what is proven to me though. according to me no matrix untill proven true but if we do prove this what would happen then? it what way would spending millions to find this help us. similar to looking for aliens(not overseas immigrants btw) how would it help us because millions/billions spent on looking could be used to do something better finiding a bacteria on mars scientists would call a breakthrough i would call bull because it doesnt help nor justify what we do. try to imagine that except with the matrix instead of aliens. so you may say i believe that the matrix is fake or to discourage people from trying to find out if it is. but then again could i be manipulated to say this because of the matrix?
Heres another question for ya, if we are, would you really want to leave it? Is this world not "Real" enough for you? I wouldn't, why? Cause I'm happy were I am.
"I think therefore I am" Thats good enough for me
"I think therefore I am" Thats good enough for me
I believe that Edger Allen Poe said it best...
Does that not parallel the matrix concept? Did Poe know something we do not? Was Poe trying to reveal it to us in this statement? Are we truely living within a dream in a dream?
Based on this alone and nothing more... yes we could be living in a Matrix
| Quote: |
| All that we see or seem, is but a dream within a dream |
Does that not parallel the matrix concept? Did Poe know something we do not? Was Poe trying to reveal it to us in this statement? Are we truely living within a dream in a dream?
Based on this alone and nothing more... yes we could be living in a Matrix
That's a great quote, but I think that perhaps Poe was abusing the pipe a little too much 
lol of course i took the red pill....thsi si sos dumbb
Before some years I read a essay with the title "Brains in the Vat" according which it shall not be possible to tell about the real situation, if you would live in a kind of matrix, because you would not be able to make references to the reality, which is unknown to you. According to this the matrix can never exist like in the film, even if we live in a world of phantasy.
But the idea of skeptizism is very old. The Pre-Socratic Parmenides told for example that the world of getting and deceasing is a fake, there is only to on (the being). His "pupil" Zenon made also some paradoxa against our seeing of the world. Many philosopher had a smaller scepticism telling. Platon postulated a parallel world of ideas, the school the sceptics had doubts on the human science...
During the 30-year-war Descartes tried to proof the reality, but for this a needs a proof of the existence for God, which is not totally convincing (Meditatio III: De deo quod existat), so that he can only proof his own existence "cogito ergo sum" (not in the Meditationes, but in the Discourse 4).
Ergo: The reality of what our senses tell us is a philosophical problem as old as the ontology or even older.
But the idea of skeptizism is very old. The Pre-Socratic Parmenides told for example that the world of getting and deceasing is a fake, there is only to on (the being). His "pupil" Zenon made also some paradoxa against our seeing of the world. Many philosopher had a smaller scepticism telling. Platon postulated a parallel world of ideas, the school the sceptics had doubts on the human science...
During the 30-year-war Descartes tried to proof the reality, but for this a needs a proof of the existence for God, which is not totally convincing (Meditatio III: De deo quod existat), so that he can only proof his own existence "cogito ergo sum" (not in the Meditationes, but in the Discourse 4).
Ergo: The reality of what our senses tell us is a philosophical problem as old as the ontology or even older.
Well, being in the matrix and being controlled by robots. It's ALMOST something like God, he also (if it exists) has a total control over you. I think the only way to find out the we live in the matrix is to die. Just like you would go to heaven/hell if God did exist.
I hope I'm not saying what someone else said before, I haven't read all the posts.
I hope I'm not saying what someone else said before, I haven't read all the posts.
This is a good question....
For us to live in the matrix in the way the movie depicts is not possible.
But...
I do however believe, that we live in a controlled....and....monitored time.
Everything we do is known and everything we want, feel, seek, need... is somehow pre determined....
I believe that we go where we're supposed to and we do what we're supposed to...
Tho the believers in God may embrace the concept of pre destination.....
Most people don't want to believe that God or the Powers that be....
are in charge....
there is an old movie with Will Smith....
Enemy Of The State (1998)
This movie sort of captures what I would like to say.
For us to live in the matrix in the way the movie depicts is not possible.
But...
I do however believe, that we live in a controlled....and....monitored time.
Everything we do is known and everything we want, feel, seek, need... is somehow pre determined....
I believe that we go where we're supposed to and we do what we're supposed to...
Tho the believers in God may embrace the concept of pre destination.....
Most people don't want to believe that God or the Powers that be....
are in charge....
there is an old movie with Will Smith....
Enemy Of The State (1998)
This movie sort of captures what I would like to say.
This is when you know you watch way too many movies...
i think the matrix could be real and there's no way of proving that its not. However the people that made the matrix film just came up with the idea and its very unlikely that its a coincidence that they came up with the idea for a film which is actually the truth about reality.
can you feel the elastic on your underwear? if so then you're real!
That's just a movie...
Nope. The only Matrix is in the movies.
I severely doubt if there is such a thing in real life.
I severely doubt if there is such a thing in real life.
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| Although, if we WERE, wouldn't something be trying to filter out our knowledge of the matrix? Or would it be using revese phycology to make us think it is not possible to be in the matrix. |
Would it make any difference? If we realy are in the matrix there would be no way out (except if someone from the outside helps). So even if we think or know we are in the matrix it wouldn't make any difference.
Neo told me its real so its real i suppose, now all that means is that I can go and perform experiments on my cat as he is only data
if it's real you would still get punished if you did something wrong so that wouldn't make a difference. And if it is real might your cat not also be real? Like we are just ghosts here and in the real real world just body's. So your cat would be just as real as you are yourself.
Sometimes I think it could be real...
It is of course a circular argument - is this the matix? if it is what is the real world like? If I was in the real world how would I know that that was real and not another matrix? Does it matter is the real question. Would you rather be happy in the matrix or tormented in the real world. Which could just be another matrix. You should make the most of whatever experience you have available to you.
Whats live? isnt it on itself a matrix of some sort? afther all what is a prison if you cant see smell feel or hear it? so until you know what live is i dont believe you can with rule it out 
You can't prove it exists, nor can you prove that it doesn't because this is a Brain in a Vat question - you can't prove that you aren't just a brain in a vat expirencing an extremely complex simulated reality in some futuristic society, and you can't prove that you're in the flesh and blood in a reality.
| We r the SYC wrote: |
| are we in the matrix........? |
does it matter?
(really, if you can't do anything about it anyway?)
If we're in a matrix, does it matter? If our entire lives were a dream that we would never snap out of, would it make a difference?
How many of you are familiar with the paintings of Magritte? And you've seen the one of the baseball that flies through the window and breaks the glass, only to reveal that when the glass falls to the floor, the glass in the window was actually a painting of the outside, made to look exactly like the real thing?
How many of you are familiar with the paintings of Magritte? And you've seen the one of the baseball that flies through the window and breaks the glass, only to reveal that when the glass falls to the floor, the glass in the window was actually a painting of the outside, made to look exactly like the real thing?
I actually thought the perfect ending for the last matrix installment would have been discovering that what they thought was the real world was really another matrix. I was quite disappointed when it went all 'neo is god' on it.
the truth is you will know how deep the rabbit hole is.... 
| parokya wrote: |
| Or Decartes question: "How do I know I am not a butterfly dreaming that it is human?" |
I just feel the need to set the record straight - that question was first posed by Zhuangzi (Chuang Tzu) about 1000 years before Descartes was born. Or maybe you were just making fun of the previous poster calling Plato "Platon."
I think that it is more likely that we are in the matrix then there is a god.
| We r the SYC wrote: |
| are we in the matrix........? |
depends how u perceive the matrix..
if u mean,, a world in which the majority of the human population are the slaves of a few number of "also" humans then yes it is possible. Basically, these few dictate what is presented on the news, they are one organisation, few in number, in powerful position, and they rule the world.
but If u mean a world ruled by machines,,, then not possible.
this question is fun. firstly, are we in a matrix? if we are, then who is God? if we are not, then where is God, and where is the matrix? if indeed there is a matrix, who are we to identify? and if there isn't, will God make one? if God doesnt make any, does that mean we are living in the real world? or the fake? whereby within this world there is another world? and if there is an another world within this world, then is that world a matrix? and if that world is not a matrix, then where is this matrix? and will this matrix appear in the future? will God make it in a near future? will we be there to witness it? will God make it like in the movie, or will this matrix be surrel? if yes, then how surreal will it be? if not, then how unsurreal will it be? then if there is no matrix at all, is God = matrix? so if there is no God, is there no matrix? if there is no matrix, is there no God? if there is no God who is God? are we God? are we a matrix? are we a matrix, in a matrix? or just a matrix? and oh, good luck! is luck a coincidence? does luck exist in a matrix?
uhmmm.. let me think...
NO!!
I mean are you really serious by your question?
LOL
NO!!
I mean are you really serious by your question?
LOL
| We r the SYC wrote: |
| are we in the matrix........? |
No, but seriously we might be in an another universe's equivalent of a "game or program". Here's why: Every thing on this planet seems scripted (prolly because are brains are designed that way) but the best reason "speed of light limit." Maybe that is the fastest their "proccesor" can render?
One may want to live in the matrix because it imposes some type of order. Even if the matrix were to really exist, we have no way to really tell whether we are inside. It is really a waste of time to give the plot line of a popular movie serious consideration for how the world works.
| greatfire wrote: |
| I think that it is more likely that we are in the matrix then there is a god. |
I am an atheist and I highly disagree. The movie series has many fundamental non-real occurrences that I have defined below:
In the matrix, when you get shot, in the "real-world" you magically start coughing up blood like you were shot.
Read Daniel C. Dennets "Consciousness Explained." Before the movies were even written he explains why the mental control accuracy in The Matrix is scientifically impossible. (Like in the first 10 pages.)
You could not possibly have that accurate detail in the Matrix. Think of a MMORPG. The speed of light would cause considerable latency in even a perfect supercomputer with 90 trillion terrabytes. (Assuming that would be one neccesary to host the Matrix based on the movies.) Now, every day you would notice occasional lag like any multiplayer computer game. The proccesor would have to be built unbelievable robust. It would have to render the graphics, which would have to have 1048576*1048576*1.618 (for mipmapping) for each PIXEL (incase of the magnifying or microscope object being used), and there would be about 1024 pixels per inch, so there would be around 9*10^25 pixels rendered every 1/500 seconds. The n the collisions, smells, sounds, emotions, feelings, etc, and then dynamic restructuring to fit the format of the human brain would be a tremendous task to behold, and I wont amaze you with how many sqr(Ghz*GhZ*Ghz*Ghz) that would take. And because of the speed of light not being infinite, it would be scientifically be IMPOSSIBLE for any LIGHT BASED COMMUNICATION SYSTEM to render that INSANE AMOUNT OF DATA and a HUMAN BRAIN to perceive it a steady 60 frames per second. That is only graphically. Emotionally, muscularly and sonically, it would have to be rendered at 500 fps.
In the last Matrix, Neo has magical powers (in real life) to see the machines when he is totally blind.
like the movie?...don't think so.
any matrix of any kind in any way?.... maybe.
any matrix of any kind in any way?.... maybe.
How do we know if we are in the matrix? The people living there don't know they are in a virtual world. They have their will and are being seen simultaneously by the matrix. BUT this is sci fiction.
For REAL, this is the same as the reality. We are in a world created by God. He can see all of us at the same time. He could make us to do what He wanted, but He lead us "alone" if we want and help us when we ask. He made a 'virtual' world if you analise the matter component: eletrons and nucleus, that is: nothing turning around nothing. Only energy.
Someone asked in the forum: how can be explained that after the Big Bang God, having only 1 second, created everything? I answer: who told us that the Big Bang is a fact? It is HIPOTHESIS. We can΄t say this is true. Only God can. We should ask Him if we want to know about this kind of difficult questions. Do you agree?
For REAL, this is the same as the reality. We are in a world created by God. He can see all of us at the same time. He could make us to do what He wanted, but He lead us "alone" if we want and help us when we ask. He made a 'virtual' world if you analise the matter component: eletrons and nucleus, that is: nothing turning around nothing. Only energy.
Someone asked in the forum: how can be explained that after the Big Bang God, having only 1 second, created everything? I answer: who told us that the Big Bang is a fact? It is HIPOTHESIS. We can΄t say this is true. Only God can. We should ask Him if we want to know about this kind of difficult questions. Do you agree?
I thought of this back when The Matrix came out and I saw it... I guess it's impossible to prove that we are or we aren't because even if someone came up with some scientific proof, someone could always say that that was bad evidence programmed in or something... but if we are in the matrix, then I agree with Cypher, I would rather be in the matrix living happily in my ignorance than outside of the matrix, always having to fight and worry about machines.
i guess not....but watever mite b the truth, the movie was awesome []....
]....There will always be speculations about the origins of Reality as we know it. All perspectives within this experiment in Consciousness will have their views, but no one can speak objectively on the whole because as of yet we have not been made aware of the larger picture.
Take a peak at Google Earth, if that doesn't make you feel small, I don't know what will. I think it's very possible that we are still very evolutionarily unadvanced and will gain insights in upcoming years that will rock our paradigms.
I think there are Matrices(the plural of Matrix I hope), but not like the fictional one illustrated in the movie, but more like our limiting beliefs and the mind machines put in place to confuse and subvert us. If you ask me The Matrix was a parallel to the governments and religions oppression of us, look up "Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars", Watch "Zeitgeist", research Floride and what it really does to the public, what about chemtrails and the poisons they feed us, where has our Freedom gone, will we always be chained to their money, caught in the debts they set us up to pay off for the rest of our lives, their indentured servants, WAR has been laid upon mankind and we've have been blind to their methods and trapped in a cycle of poor education and servitude. Slavery was merely updated at the end of the U.S. civil war, and in the corporate takeover that resulted in certain powers gaining control, the American public and the world came under the influence of entities not interested in the common good.
A rant it seems but, feels that way, I feel that the Human mind is capable of Soo much more than we've been taught, I think that it is time that the world now educate itself and go about changing the way society runs, I myself fully intend to make a deep impact on The Universe, I will use my mind to create a New Reality for All Humanity. I believe that with the application of Strong Desire, not only the opportunities will rise but also the talents.
I have resonace with this thought, it feels very real however unprovable that we may be the Creator and the Created, the facets inside the Eternal Moment of Now, and Actually very Powerful Creators once we become Aware of Our Full Potential. It very well could lead to Powers of the Mind, and the manipulation and manifestation of matter within this Matrix of thought.
Take a peak at Google Earth, if that doesn't make you feel small, I don't know what will. I think it's very possible that we are still very evolutionarily unadvanced and will gain insights in upcoming years that will rock our paradigms.
I think there are Matrices(the plural of Matrix I hope), but not like the fictional one illustrated in the movie, but more like our limiting beliefs and the mind machines put in place to confuse and subvert us. If you ask me The Matrix was a parallel to the governments and religions oppression of us, look up "Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars", Watch "Zeitgeist", research Floride and what it really does to the public, what about chemtrails and the poisons they feed us, where has our Freedom gone, will we always be chained to their money, caught in the debts they set us up to pay off for the rest of our lives, their indentured servants, WAR has been laid upon mankind and we've have been blind to their methods and trapped in a cycle of poor education and servitude. Slavery was merely updated at the end of the U.S. civil war, and in the corporate takeover that resulted in certain powers gaining control, the American public and the world came under the influence of entities not interested in the common good.
A rant it seems but, feels that way, I feel that the Human mind is capable of Soo much more than we've been taught, I think that it is time that the world now educate itself and go about changing the way society runs, I myself fully intend to make a deep impact on The Universe, I will use my mind to create a New Reality for All Humanity. I believe that with the application of Strong Desire, not only the opportunities will rise but also the talents.
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| I saw the first Matrix as having an anti-capitalist statement at it's core. So in that regard, yes.
The reality of the situation could in fact be that we are all part of the same entity, multiple personalities if you will. All created along with the world around us as an elaborate dreamworld designed to quell the boredom faced by such a large intellect trapped in an otherwise empty eternity. Our notions of a higher power and unified spirituality could stem from the subconscious acknowledgement of that fact. In short, reality is just a word and thus entirely dependant upon perception. therefore your 'reality' could be shattered in an action or a word as was the case in the Matrix for Neo. Who knows? |
I have resonace with this thought, it feels very real however unprovable that we may be the Creator and the Created, the facets inside the Eternal Moment of Now, and Actually very Powerful Creators once we become Aware of Our Full Potential. It very well could lead to Powers of the Mind, and the manipulation and manifestation of matter within this Matrix of thought.
Well, we can't prove we are not in the Matrix, or that we are in one.
But honestly, I doubt it; that's probably only because I'm a little cynical...
But honestly, I doubt it; that's probably only because I'm a little cynical...
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