has anybody noticed the false calls that the refs have been calling? and also the calls that they have missed. the match between tunisia and ukraine i had seen myself and it clearly shows a handball and the ref gives it a corner??? and also the match between australia and italy.. is the ref blind???? the italian fell over the aussie player, thats his own fault!!! i reackin refs should get fined for calling false plays. what do you people think?
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I agree. The refereeing has been terrible. In the match Australia vs. Croatia one player managed to get three yellow cards... and in Portugal vs. Holland there were 16 yellow cards and 4 red cards. Also, so many goals have been disallowed for offside which should have been onside, and several goals which counted were actually offside.
i reackon that the refs should be fined or recieve some kind of penalty for their actions
Ya..
I agree..
The refrees in this world cup did not really do well in the competition...
A lots of cards and falses...
I agree..
The refrees in this world cup did not really do well in the competition...
A lots of cards and falses...
Yep. A lot of referees were taking sides. For example, in the Mexico Vs Argentina game, the referee didn't get out yellow cards when he was supposed to, didn't call fouls when they were obvious, and stole 3 penalty kicks from Mexico, because Argentina did 3 fouls inside the box. Dang referees were bribed. 
omg, if that penalty wasnt given in the australia vs italy match then australia could have made it to the finals, just like italy did!! 
these refs really need to be penalised for their actions
these refs really need to be penalised for their actionsBy far the refs were the worst in this world cup. im surprised they dont get shot.... well maybe later we'll hear about something like that. it always happens after the world cup. the italy - usa game was a clear example of a retarded ref. he carded an italian player for sending an elbow right into the face of mcbride. that deserves a red card. then start of te second half a us player slides from the side and he gives him a direct red with no warning what an idiot! one of the best refs i saw was the ref for the germany - italy game. their were a lot of slides here and their but he let them play. if the slide got too dangerous then a warning. but no card right off the back like the other refs. he was the best ref yet.
i wonder who they are gonna pick for the final game ref......
i wonder who they are gonna pick for the final game ref......
I dont think referees should be penalised simply because of certain decisions
Nunipio, you are an Aussie and obviously you are distraught at losing out to Italy or any other team
It comes down to the fact that penalties are mostly disputable
Almost every penalty brings with it a fair share of problems.
Also, referees are after all, human and are capable of making mistakes.
You cant expect all of them to be perfect in each and every game
Now, people like you criticise referees for one single bad decision(according to you) that caused your country to go out of the world cup
But think about how many times have you or any other sports commentator or newspaper commended a referee after a match appreciating good refereeing on his part>?
There are lots of matches where referees have performed extremely well in their duty but even then, they are not thanked for that
All people see is one bad decision and criticism rains for the referee.
People look at the refereeing from one point of view which is the one of their country's .
Only if you look at the refereeing in an unbiased point of view like I am, will you understand the difficulty of the occupation
Nunipio, you are an Aussie and obviously you are distraught at losing out to Italy or any other team
It comes down to the fact that penalties are mostly disputable
Almost every penalty brings with it a fair share of problems.
Also, referees are after all, human and are capable of making mistakes.
You cant expect all of them to be perfect in each and every game
Now, people like you criticise referees for one single bad decision(according to you) that caused your country to go out of the world cup
But think about how many times have you or any other sports commentator or newspaper commended a referee after a match appreciating good refereeing on his part>?
There are lots of matches where referees have performed extremely well in their duty but even then, they are not thanked for that
All people see is one bad decision and criticism rains for the referee.
People look at the refereeing from one point of view which is the one of their country's .
Only if you look at the refereeing in an unbiased point of view like I am, will you understand the difficulty of the occupation
fines? hahaha... no one would want to be a ref
video ref might do the job for offside. the challenge system in tennis is being tested. each player gets a number of challenges for close calls. if they're right, they dont lose the number of challenges they have. each team in football could have 1 challenge or something. close offside goals are pretty rare but it is so important so i think 1 is enough
video ref might do the job for offside. the challenge system in tennis is being tested. each player gets a number of challenges for close calls. if they're right, they dont lose the number of challenges they have. each team in football could have 1 challenge or something. close offside goals are pretty rare but it is so important so i think 1 is enough
well atlest video ref should take priority
Bad reffing? What planet do you people live on? The refs have been doing a fantastic job! Yes, there have been some mistakes such as 3 yellow cards to one player being the biggest in my mind, but for the most part, they have done an excellent job of keeping the game about football.
Both the Italian penalty kick against Australia and the red card for the side tackle against the USA were totally justified. Doesn't mean you have to like the decisions, but they were the right decisions to make. I am not an Italy fan, but I am not so blind as to think that the calls were unfair.
Anyways, if you want to see better reffing, how's about making them professional, just like the players? Do you realise that nearly every referee working at the World Cup is doing it in his spare time? They all have "real jobs" the rest of the time. Clerks, managers, dentists and teachers (among others) are what they do professionally.
It's easy to sit back on your couch, watching 6 replays of the same foul from 3 different angles to judge what was a good call and what wasn't. It's another thing to be out there on the field and making the call in a split second. The referees for a very large part get it right.
Both the Italian penalty kick against Australia and the red card for the side tackle against the USA were totally justified. Doesn't mean you have to like the decisions, but they were the right decisions to make. I am not an Italy fan, but I am not so blind as to think that the calls were unfair.
Anyways, if you want to see better reffing, how's about making them professional, just like the players? Do you realise that nearly every referee working at the World Cup is doing it in his spare time? They all have "real jobs" the rest of the time. Clerks, managers, dentists and teachers (among others) are what they do professionally.
It's easy to sit back on your couch, watching 6 replays of the same foul from 3 different angles to judge what was a good call and what wasn't. It's another thing to be out there on the field and making the call in a split second. The referees for a very large part get it right.
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| Bad reffing? What planet do you people live on? The refs have been doing a fantastic job! Yes, there have been some mistakes such as 3 yellow cards to one player being the biggest in my mind, but for the most part, they have done an excellent job of keeping the game about football.
Both the Italian penalty kick against Australia and the red card for the side tackle against the USA were totally justified. Doesn't mean you have to like the decisions, but they were the right decisions to make. I am not an Italy fan, but I am not so blind as to think that the calls were unfair. Anyways, if you want to see better reffing, how's about making them professional, just like the players? Do you realise that nearly every referee working at the World Cup is doing it in his spare time? They all have "real jobs" the rest of the time. Clerks, managers, dentists and teachers (among others) are what they do professionally. It's easy to sit back on your couch, watching 6 replays of the same foul from 3 different angles to judge what was a good call and what wasn't. It's another thing to be out there on the field and making the call in a split second. The referees for a very large part get it right. |
You must be watching the wrong world cup than the one that they shown on TV recently. Their are some referees that were good during the cup. One very good example ithe ref for the German vs Italy game. He left THEM PLAY. Unlike majority of the referees who make calls and throw our yellow cards like they are cany. By the way do you even follow the world cup? If you did you would realize that the referees broke the records for most fouls, [u]most yellow cards, and [u]most red cards. And dont you realize that every referee working at the world cup is [u]getting paid! This is not their spare time. Its something they supposedly know how to do and its a profession.
I've played soccer and refereed games in my time and i havent seen anything so poorly done than i have seen in this world cup. As for being on the field and making the call, i've been in situations like that so i know how that situation goes.
If you want to know the facts read the news, they will also tell you how bad of a job the referees in this world cup have done. Nuff said.
I totally agree with AndiMac.
And kamu I'd like to clarify the following:
They know how to do it, but it is not their profession. They are indeed as andimac said
You might have refereed games, so have a million others. But you have not refereed a world cup game, have you>
In front of 50000 fans and a billion watching through tv, the tension gets to everyone, even the players who end up missing a penalty kick
A referee is no different.
As I said, you ve not been before 50k fans screaming in your face.
We get around 20 different facts of the same story from the so-called "news". Do you end up believing every one of them in everything they say?
What you say about refereeing being bad is not the whole story
For e.g. just because I play football and i Know the "scenario" back home, I cant comment that some international player is playing lousy football
Because I have no experience as to how it will be when you are facing very strong opponents in front of millions of fans
That pretty much applies to you
PS: underlining does not help reading
And kamu I'd like to clarify the following:
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They know how to do it, but it is not their profession. They are indeed as andimac said
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You might have refereed games, so have a million others. But you have not refereed a world cup game, have you>
In front of 50000 fans and a billion watching through tv, the tension gets to everyone, even the players who end up missing a penalty kick
A referee is no different.
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As I said, you ve not been before 50k fans screaming in your face.
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If you want to know the facts read the news, they will also tell you how bad of a job the referees in this world cup have done |
We get around 20 different facts of the same story from the so-called "news". Do you end up believing every one of them in everything they say?
What you say about refereeing being bad is not the whole story
For e.g. just because I play football and i Know the "scenario" back home, I cant comment that some international player is playing lousy football
Because I have no experience as to how it will be when you are facing very strong opponents in front of millions of fans
That pretty much applies to you
PS: underlining does not help reading
Kamu8recon: Yes, I am watching the games, having even seen one game live. I happen to live in Germany, and I've probably seen more games than you, considering you are 12 time zones away. I also happen to be a referee too, so I am perfectly aware of "how the situation goes" too.
I never said the referees weren't being paid. Good lord, you couldn't expect them to do this for 6 weeks, away from home and family, for free, could you? What I said was that they do other jobs first, refereeing second. To be professional in my mind, it should be your first and full-time job. Don't believe me that refereeing is what they do in their spare time? Go look here, at the Fifa World Cup site. Click on nearly any ref and you will see down the list "Occupation", meaning, what they do when they aren't at football games.
Now, as for fouls. It isn't the referees who have broken the record, it's the players! Let's get this straight. If you are going to elbow someone in the face or going to go charging in straight-legged with no intention of playing the ball, you get what is coming to you. All the teams were told well in advance of the tournament what FIFA would be especially looking out for and what they would be penalising harshly. It's not like any of it came as a surprise to the teams.
Facts. News. Yes, of course, read the paper from the losing country and they will tell you what a lousy job the refs did. For the most part, I think you'll find that most the media and football organisations in general feel that things have been handled well.
EDIT: Scorpio, thanks for the back-up.
I never said the referees weren't being paid. Good lord, you couldn't expect them to do this for 6 weeks, away from home and family, for free, could you? What I said was that they do other jobs first, refereeing second. To be professional in my mind, it should be your first and full-time job. Don't believe me that refereeing is what they do in their spare time? Go look here, at the Fifa World Cup site. Click on nearly any ref and you will see down the list "Occupation", meaning, what they do when they aren't at football games.
Now, as for fouls. It isn't the referees who have broken the record, it's the players! Let's get this straight. If you are going to elbow someone in the face or going to go charging in straight-legged with no intention of playing the ball, you get what is coming to you. All the teams were told well in advance of the tournament what FIFA would be especially looking out for and what they would be penalising harshly. It's not like any of it came as a surprise to the teams.
Facts. News. Yes, of course, read the paper from the losing country and they will tell you what a lousy job the refs did. For the most part, I think you'll find that most the media and football organisations in general feel that things have been handled well.
EDIT: Scorpio, thanks for the back-up.
Facts:
NUREMBERG, June 26 (SW) - FIFA president Sepp Blatter has criticized Russian referee Valentin Ivanov, the official responsible for the 16 yellow and 4 red cards awarded during last night’s testy encounter between Holland and Portugal.
Both sides had two players sent off - Costinha and Deco of Portugal, and Khalid Boulahrouz and Giovanni van Bronckhorst of Holland.
"I consider that the referee was not at the same level as the participants, the players. There could have been a yellow card for the referee," Blatter told Portugal's SIC television channel.
"This was a game of emotion, with exceptional drama in the last instant, with a deserved winner," he added.
"It was a great show with intervention by the referee that was not consistent and (had) lack of fair play by some players."
Can anyone of you argue this? The President of FIFA also stated that "the referee wasn't t the same level as the participants. So answer me this. Can you argue with the President of FIFA, if you can argue his comments then you should be in charge of FIFA.
As for playing the game... I played for a Club in front of thousands of fans and throughout my career i've never seen so many bad calls at any level of play.
this is why they are professionals. they do this for a living.
NUREMBERG, June 26 (SW) - FIFA president Sepp Blatter has criticized Russian referee Valentin Ivanov, the official responsible for the 16 yellow and 4 red cards awarded during last night’s testy encounter between Holland and Portugal.
Both sides had two players sent off - Costinha and Deco of Portugal, and Khalid Boulahrouz and Giovanni van Bronckhorst of Holland.
"I consider that the referee was not at the same level as the participants, the players. There could have been a yellow card for the referee," Blatter told Portugal's SIC television channel.
"This was a game of emotion, with exceptional drama in the last instant, with a deserved winner," he added.
"It was a great show with intervention by the referee that was not consistent and (had) lack of fair play by some players."
Can anyone of you argue this? The President of FIFA also stated that "the referee wasn't t the same level as the participants. So answer me this. Can you argue with the President of FIFA, if you can argue his comments then you should be in charge of FIFA.
As for playing the game... I played for a Club in front of thousands of fans and throughout my career i've never seen so many bad calls at any level of play.
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this is why they are professionals. they do this for a living.
Kamu, how many times do you have to be told, the referees do NOT, repeat do NOT do this for a living. But that's the last I'll mention on this point, you can't seem to get it.
Yes, one quote about one referee. Here's a couple more:
From FIFA Referees Committee President Angel Maria Villar Llona:
Yes, one quote about one referee. Here's a couple more:
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| FIFA president Sepp Blatter is happy with the standard of World Cup refereeing so far. "The performance of the referees has been great. Everything is going to plan and we hope it continues like that," |
From FIFA Referees Committee President Angel Maria Villar Llona:
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| “I would like to take this opportunity to thank each and every official for their wonderful performances. I am proud of them. On the whole, I have been very happy with the performances of the match officials, even though they were not always error-free, something that is impossible to achieve. So far, the main objective – to protect the players – has been accomplished.” |
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| Can anyone of you argue this? The President of FIFA also stated that "the referee wasn't t the same level as the participants. So answer me this. Can you argue with the President of FIFA, if you can argue his comments then you should be in charge of FIFA.
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Thats hilarious dude!
Sepp Blatter is no god and it is not as if he is error-free all the time
Also, you say if i argue with Blatter's comments then i should in charge of Fifa
So, for e.g if the US is against Saddam Hussein's comments, then can the US be like him.
Or perhaps if you are against GW Bush's comments, can you be president then?
Sepp Blatter has known and proved himself to be eccentric many a time, so a comment of yellow carding the referee is not something we have not expected from him
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Perhaps this shows you have not seen enough.
The refereeing was very very bad at this cup
and i think ref comitte at fifa was fault
by chossing bad refrees
and i think ref comitte at fifa was fault
by chossing bad refrees
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| The refereeing was very very bad at this cup
and i think ref comitte at fifa was fault by chossing bad refrees |
Yeah! Unfortunately they did not choose you
Why dont you read what is posted in all the above arguments, before posting a utterly nonsensical reply like this
scorpio you should get a life
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| scorpio you should get a life |
Oh! Here we go!
Since you dont have anything to respond, you give a standard no brainer like this
im still upset how italy won, its not fair!!! seems like they train more on diving then they do in playing the sport itself
Seriously Nuni.... the french are the ones that took the dive. thats how they got that early pk. I have to say that christiano ronoldo is by far the worse i've seen yet. its like he practices diving which pisses me off.
they should call it the world diving cup instead
What i think is that small countries are most of the time disadvantaged. Belgium, where i come from for example. They get a free kick against in Italy 1990 against England that was none. England scored. Belgium out.
In USA 1994 they didn't get a penalty kick that clearly was one against the germans. In Japan 2002 there was a goal from belgium totally unfair disallowed against brazil. Belgium out. Finally i think the big countries are more important
In USA 1994 they didn't get a penalty kick that clearly was one against the germans. In Japan 2002 there was a goal from belgium totally unfair disallowed against brazil. Belgium out. Finally i think the big countries are more important
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| What i think is that small countries are most of the time disadvantaged. Belgium, where i come from for example. They get a free kick against in Italy 1990 against England that was none. England scored. Belgium out.
In USA 1994 they didn't get a penalty kick that clearly was one against the germans. In Japan 2002 there was a goal from belgium totally unfair disallowed against brazil. Belgium out. Finally i think the big countries are more important |
see.. these games are rigged, i bet the refs are in it together, probably betting on the team they want to win and ref the game so they win! argh, whatever happened to fairness
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