I think of evil as a lack of conscience but wouldn't that make me evil when I kill a bug with out a second thought.
The people in Al Queda think that America is the evil empire, the grate satin, they think that they are justified in there actions and we are the evil ones but we think that they are the evil ones, the cruel terrorist that target innocent people, we think of 9/11 as horrible act done and planed by cruel and evil people who should be shot on site (which is what I believe) but they think of 9/11 as a grate victory done by grate people who was willing to sacrifice themselves for there grate cause (which I believe only evil or very stupid people believe). But isn't the United Stats guilty of worse tragedies? Like the fire bombing of Dresden during ww2. The reason they gave for the bombing was that three train tracks converged there but a single carpet bombing (which was the only way to guaranty that they hit the target back then) would have taken that out instead they bombed the city then they dropped incendiary devices setting the city on fire and creating a fire storm and then just after dawn they bombed the city again and they did similar thing to Tokyo and very one knows about Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Were these justified? How could someone justify them? If you look a world war 2 as a whole, the Germans and Japanese did much more horrible asks. Does that justify the bombings?
Christens Jews and Muslims believe that God is a good god but if you reed the bible or the Torah, in the book of Exodus it stats that God killed all the first born of Egypt. If God is a good god, how could he kill thousands of innocent men women and children? That sounds more like the act of an evil god, but it says that god is a good god. Is he?
Or is evil in the eye of the beholder? Is there even such thing good and evil? Or is good and evil an abstract idea humans made up to justify there actions?
how can countrys in this day and age kill millions of people in the name of peace and its "ok" to them, is that evil or is that good.......,
as far as evil goes, i belive satan brought evil into the world in his campagne to leader as many people as he can away from god and to hate him. satans dearist wish....or one of them to have all the earth, all of gods wonderful creations hating him and united against him....., so i think satan has a "force" so to speak that is in the world...., creating ideas..... giving hints, pushing buttons.......,
as for Good..... God himself on earth in force..... battling the evil...in people and, well in the bible it talks about there ebing a spiritual battle going on....., i think of it as angles vs demons pretty much lol, but im not sure its them vs each other directly... more like battle for the most human souls......,
as for God killing thousands of people thoughtout the bible or mass genicide, in almost all of thoose cases the people that were killed were strongly against God....., and showed it. they wernt jus as now told theres a God and expected to belive it or else, but God often personaly asked them if they would accept him. in almost all cases they completely refused them.
as force the eygptions........ enslaving and entire populations for 100's of years hardly counts as innocent.
as for the killing of the first born. they were warned by moses, but they ignored him....... 
, rather sad really...... Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself. These before all are what is important.
Love is good, evil is lack of love. Some expressions of love are good and some are not. Some things that we think of as love contain thoughts that are selfish or fearful and therefore are not fully love. Lust is not love. Envy is not love. Anything you do where you fail to love yourself is not full love.
Before anything went wrong with mankind, Satan fell from faith, stopped loving himself, and began lying for whatever reasons. This is the root of making bad choices. Do not do this. Love God, love yourself. Ask forgiveness for the times you've failed to follow God's commandments and be restored to full goodness with Jesus Christ. Be vibrant and with God!
As for Good and Evil That is really a simple Equations.
See if your deeds hurt somebody elses Then its Evil and if it is benefitial for the others then it is good.
| Quote: |
As for Good and Evil That is really a simple Equations.
See if your deeds hurt somebody elses Then its Evil and if it is benefitial for the others then it is good. |
let's see, if there was a fellow about to set a schoolbus on fire, and you are some distance away with a sniper rifle. You can only shoot him or watch the schoolchildren burn. either way you're hurting someone.
About good or evil, it's just two aritary words defined to fool you.
There is one very fundamental law and that is balance. Whatever good you do has some evil attached to it. Everything in the universe is balanced. That's why something that you do that's really good to someone can hurt you. Sacrifices are considered good but they hurt you. The same way you can't hurt anyone without feeling guilt. Maybe you can't account for everything but good and evil are equaly balanced | prototype_angel wrote: |
About good or evil, it's just two aritary words defined to fool you.
There is one very fundamental law and that is balance. Whatever good you do has some evil attached to it. |
You used an outlandish situation to make your point and I've no issue with that, but let's take it down to the mundane. I hold a door open for a guy in a wheelchair, where's the evil to balance that good? I think it's a nice thought to think that there is a balance, but I don't buy it myself.
Maybe there is not just good and evil, maybe it's a spectrum. And I would tend to use the "how bad and how many are you harming" criteria. Of course, if you live by any religious creed, you've gotta live with whatever they dictate.This is a famous chain-email (also called a forwarded e-mail, I suppose). To me, it makes some sense:
Cold is the absense of heat
Darkness is the absense of light
Evil is the absense of God
| Soulfire wrote: |
| Evil is the absense of God |
Sorry there, but that just really threw me off...
Not to threaten your thoughts or anything, but are you saying that there is something that God is not part of? In other words, that evil is not part of God's creation? That it was created by some entity with no connection whatsoever to God? Give me a hand here... I really want to understand your claim.... | Che wrote: |
| Soulfire wrote: | | Evil is the absense of God |
Sorry there, but that just really threw me off...
Not to threaten your thoughts or anything, but are you saying that there is something that God is not part of? In other words, that evil is not part of God's creation? That it was created by some entity with no connection whatsoever to God? Give me a hand here... I really want to understand your claim.... |
God didn't create evil. In His creation, He wanted everything perfect, Humans to live in total harmony with God... but humans created evil. By disobeying God, the earliest humans (known as Adam and Eve) proved that trust could not always exist between God and His people, therefore temptation and sin came into the world and it became what is known as a "fallen" world, a world of evil and sometimes good. | Soulfire wrote: |
God didn't create evil. In His creation, He wanted everything perfect, Humans to live in total harmony with God... but humans created evil... |
So God didn't create evil, he just created something that could create evil? I assume the same logic applies to Satan? Not created evil, but choose to be? Never thought about it alot. I guess that implies angels have free will also?
Not arguing here, just trying to learn your thoughts. | Quote: |
So God didn't create evil, he just created something that could create evil? I assume the same logic applies to Satan? Not created evil, but choose to be? Never thought about it alot. I guess that implies angels have free will also?
Not arguing here, just trying to learn your thoughts. |
In a sense, yes. Satan was created good (Lucifer), but chose to rebel against God. For this rebellion, Lucifer was banished into Hell. This does imply that angels have free will, in my opinion.God dident "create" evil persay..., but he allowed for its existanse, Satan. became somthing which was evil and brought it into the world
| Soulfire wrote: |
| Quote: | So God didn't create evil, he just created something that could create evil? I assume the same logic applies to Satan? Not created evil, but choose to be? Never thought about it alot. I guess that implies angels have free will also?
Not arguing here, just trying to learn your thoughts. |
In a sense, yes. Satan was created good (Lucifer), but chose to rebel against God. For this rebellion, Lucifer was banished into Hell. This does imply that angels have free will, in my opinion. |
I am sorry but really... lets be logical here Soulfire...
Are you saying that an entity is able to create (become?) something that was not at first in God's plan for creation? Are you saying that God is not able to determine any possible action or thought an entity could generate? Are you saying God is not the great all knowing? If you said No to any of this questions, I'd invite you to reconsider your claim.
I'm temped to say that one is not able to experience something, which wasn't already provided in God's creation for experience.
We might also say, if God gave existence to light and dark, and he gave existence to love, than he also gave existence to evil. "For in the absence of that which is not, that which is, is not"
Cordially...Satan "WASENT" in God plan for creation, he already existed as Gods High Musical Angle i think......,
its an interesting idea that angles have "freewill", becoz stat took from "hevean all other angles loyal to him.....,
I guess we'll find out @ some point,....
| Che wrote: |
I am sorry but really... lets be logical here Soulfire...
Are you saying that an entity is able to create (become?) something that was not at first in God's plan for creation? Are you saying that God is not able to determine any possible action or thought an entity could generate? Are you saying God is not the great all knowing? If you said No to any of this questions, I'd invite you to reconsider your claim.
I'm temped to say that one is not able to experience something, which wasn't already provided in God's creation for experience.
We might also say, if God gave existence to light and dark, and he gave existence to love, than he also gave existence to evil. "For in the absence of that which is not, that which is, is not"
Cordially... |
I don't buy into Soulfire's beliefs completely, but I don't see any logical issues with what he said.
Why shouldn't man be able to create something that God didn't?
God likely knew ahead of time man would create evil, but that could be part of his plan to lt man find his own way. same answer for your 3rd question.
I'm sure a true believer could answer this better, but I can't fault the logic here. | Quote: |
I am sorry but really... lets be logical here Soulfire...
Are you saying that an entity is able to create (become?) something that was not at first in God's plan for creation? Are you saying that God is not able to determine any possible action or thought an entity could generate? Are you saying God is not the great all knowing? If you said No to any of this questions, I'd invite you to reconsider your claim.
I'm temped to say that one is not able to experience something, which wasn't already provided in God's creation for experience.
We might also say, if God gave existence to light and dark, and he gave existence to love, than he also gave existence to evil. "For in the absence of that which is not, that which is, is not"
Cordially... |
I said God didn't create evil, but He allowed it to happen through the actions of humans. Agreed I could've worded it better, but there is no fault in my logic. Again, evil in the world was part of His plan.Ok guys, let me ask you... could you create a color that doesn't already exists? No? Why not? Well because all colors have already been created. Perhaps, we might discover a new color, but we didn't create it, it has existed since "the begining".
We didn't create evil, we experience it. In order to experience evil, it needed to already exists. If God is able to know the outcome of the future (considering that he is "all knowing") then he needed to provide the tools necesary for the outcome of this future. He creates evil, but I guess we could say, evil is not experienced until who ever did an evil act, but in order for that person to do that act, evil needed to already exists. The soul is provided with the tools for experience. We don't create "hate" we simply experience it, hate is an element source of creation...
I hope this makes more sence...
| Quote: |
| Why shouldn't man be able to create something that God didn't? |
You got it good there... The answer to your question:
Everything there is is part of creation. God created everything there is right? Including angels? or not? If so, then in order for us to "create" something we use that which has been already created. For this reason we can't create something that God didn't allow for creation in the first place. Doesn't fit yet? It's sort of the same reason for why we can't create a color that didn't already exists...
Makes any sence guys? | Che wrote: |
Makes any sence guys? |
No, not completely.
It's not that they say he didn't "allow" for it. they say he didn't "create" it.
God didn't built skyscrapers. Man CAN create new stuff.
Your color thing might be a better metaphor with a slight modificaition. Imagine God gave man red, green and blue paints. From those, man can create the full spectrum.
Actually, I've heard another explanation, but I may not do it justice. Something about God making the ground, but by removing dirt man can make a hole. I think that metaphor goes back to man's removing God from his live to create the "hole" of evil.
I have never understood the idea that man can't create something that God didn't. I don't remember reading that God 'couldn't' create evil, just 'didn't'.
Anyone feel free to correct me on this stuff
Lets get off the God subject.
The question is what is evil, not what is evil.
Those who flue the plains into the twin towers on 9/11 thought they were doing something good, they thought that the US was evil. We see ourselves as good and we see them as evil. In WW2, two atomic bombs were dropped in Hiroshima and Nogisocy killing thousands and we see the those who flue the plane and pushed the button to drop the bomb as good. Both actions killed thousands. So what makes one evil and the other good? Are they both evil actions? Are they both good cause the people who does them thought they where good? Or is good and evil just words that people made up to justify there actions?
Saying good is God and saying evil is lack of God is too simplistic, it ignores the complexity of the issue. If God told a person to kill an innocent person, and the guy dose it, is he still a good person cause he did what God said or is he evil for killing an innocent person or is he a good person cause he believed himself to be doing good or dose believing he was doing good him more evil?
Note: Saying God wouldn't do that is dogging the question. Its hypothetical.
In regards to dropping the atomic bomb, it is a well-accepted (I won't use proven here so you can't flame me) generalization that dropping the bombs saved millions of more lives than if America had just invaded Japan and encountered heavy resistance. So if that makes us evil, then so be it, we were thinking a bit outside the box.
Thats a good point. By prevention more deaths it can be considered a good act. But if you do something evil for goo reason, dose that make the action good is an evil action still an evil action no matter the reasons behind it or dose the evil of the action and the good of the reasoning cancel each other out making it some wear in between?
On that. I wasn't saying that as a criticism of the act but the question is party of the over all issue.
its easier to understand good and evil, if we define 'values' first. also known as, ethics, moral standards and beliefs. a 'good' act, is something that conforms to a set of values, 'bad' is something that goes against it. The concept aint digital. its not black and white. Like nagasaki and hiroshima, that was bad, lots of innocents died, but it was a lesser bad, than sending in land forces.
| HoboPelican wrote: |
| Che wrote: |
Makes any sence guys? |
No, not completely.
It's not that they say he didn't "allow" for it. they say he didn't "create" it.
God didn't built skyscrapers. Man CAN create new stuff.
Your color thing might be a better metaphor with a slight modificaition. Imagine God gave man red, green and blue paints. From those, man can create the full spectrum.
Actually, I've heard another explanation, but I may not do it justice. Something about God making the ground, but by removing dirt man can make a hole. I think that metaphor goes back to man's removing God from his live to create the "hole" of evil.
I have never understood the idea that man can't create something that God didn't. I don't remember reading that God 'couldn't' create evil, just 'didn't'.
Anyone feel free to correct me on this stuff
|
I understand your point HoboPelican, but hang with me in here. Let me put it this way...
In order for love to exists, evil needed to also exist. Valance is a paradigm or a rule of creation since the begining. It's not a post-satan effect...
Like I said, there was light, and there was dark. Possitive and negative, etc. ---- Love and Evil.
Thus when God creates Love, if we assume he did, he also creates Evil in order for us to be recognize (better word - experience) Love. He gives us the tool (evil) and we experience it we do evil deeds.
Man can create a skyscrapers, by setting up the perimeters, calculations, materials etc. But man can't create evil, man experiences evil by doing evil deeds. You can't experience a skyscraper for it is matter. Evil is thought infringed in our nature since the beginning of creation.
You might desagree with me, for it a natural factor - to support that which you've been raised to think. But keep an open mind and analize the matter. Think of the distinctions between creating and experiencing.
Cordially | The Conspirator wrote: |
Thats a good point. By prevention more deaths it can be considered a good act. But if you do something evil for goo reason, dose that make the action good is an evil action still an evil action no matter the reasons behind it or dose the evil of the action and the good of the reasoning cancel each other out making it some wear in between?
On that. I wasn't saying that as a criticism of the act but the question is party of the over all issue. |
Very good point, and I guess you can replace the saying "Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder" with "Evil/Good is in the eyes of the beholder." In my humble opinion, performing an "evil" (I use quotations, because it is subjective) act for good reason negates the evil part, or perhaps makes it neutral. Again, it's all up to how you see it.
And I know you weren't criticizing the act, we just learned about WWII in history class not long ago, I wanted to put a bit of that knowledge in real life. Sorry I nitpicked a bit. | Che wrote: |
In order for love to exists, evil needed to also exist. Valance is a paradigm or a rule of creation since the begining.
.....
You might desagree with me, for it a natural factor - to support that which you've been raised to think. But keep an open mind and analize the matter. Think of the distinctions between creating and experiencing.
|
Actually, I wasnt raised in any particular religious belief system. But I dont understand (agree with?) your point about evil and love being depended on each other. Why do you think this is a given? I don't think evil and good obey any laws similar to conservation of energy. But even if they did it should not preclude a universe of only good. I hate using concrete examples for concepts, but try this on.
Assume red and green m&ms can only be created together. But you want a bowl of only Red. Create the pair, put the greens in one bowl, the red in another. Of course, God would be using big bowls. We live in one called the universe.
I fear I am getting silly. But I guess I dont see any reason to assume one can't exist without the other.Good can't exist without evil, and vice versa. One defines the other. The absence of good would eliminate evil as there would be no way to compare, no offset. Love would define hate, not evil.
Good and evil are words used to describe actions that are acceptable/unacceptable, this really depends on your own conscience and whether or not you can live with your actions. Then there is the 'holier than thou' crowd that judge your actions severely, yet conveniently ignore their own transgressions.
Please excuse while I go and flog myself for this post.
Mediadar.
| HoboPelican wrote: |
| Che wrote: |
In order for love to exists, evil needed to also exist. Valance is a paradigm or a rule of creation since the begining.
.....
You might desagree with me, for it a natural factor - to support that which you've been raised to think. But keep an open mind and analize the matter. Think of the distinctions between creating and experiencing.
|
Actually, I wasnt raised in any particular religious belief system. But I dont understand (agree with?) your point about evil and love being depended on each other. Why do you think this is a given? I don't think evil and good obey any laws similar to conservation of energy. But even if they did it should not preclude a universe of only good. I hate using concrete examples for concepts, but try this on.
Assume red and green m&ms can only be created together. But you want a bowl of only Red. Create the pair, put the greens in one bowl, the red in another. Of course, God would be using big bowls. We live in one called the universe.
I fear I am getting silly. But I guess I dont see any reason to assume one can't exist without the other. |
You certainly are getting silly, but that's never a problem. Ok my friend, so let me explain why evil is dependent of love or a better word would be good.
I see you like colors so, let's talk about them. How do you know something is blue? Well, because there are other colors look different on light. You are able to call otu and say, this is blue and that is red because there are various of them. But what if everything was blue, and I mean, no lighter blue or darker blue but simply a one tone universe of Blue. Would you ever be able to recognize what blue is? You'd have no reference point. Only God would be capable to calling out such thing, for our brains differenciate entities given a reference point. Do we agree so far?
So let me chew it down some more. Without anything but blue, you would never recognize blue. For you have no reference point.
Now HoboPelican, apply this princible to Evil and Good (Love). If all there is is Good, then you'll never be aware that such thing exists. Thus, in order for us to recognize and appreciate Good (love), we need to have Evil and a reference point. The laws of the Universe apply to more than what you'd imagine. The deffinition couldn't be more exact - the universe is everything there is.
In a previous quote I wrote a quote I read in a book: "In the absence of that which is not, that which is, is not" -CwG
Apply this to these principles and you might better understand why balance or the existance of opposites are necesary for our recognition of such principles.
And I didn't necessarely mean to a religion when mentionning the way one is raised.
Hope this might help.
Cordially | Che wrote: |
... ... apply this princible to Evil and Good (Love). If all there is is Good, then you'll never be aware that such thing exists. Thus, in order for us to recognize and appreciate Good (love), we need to have Evil and a reference point. ....
the universe is everything there is....
And I didn't necessarely mean to a religion when mentionning the way one is raised....
|
Love the thoughts, but I still have issues.
1) I accept that you need both to recognize and appreciate. That has no bearing on God creating a world with out Evil. Adam and Eve most likely couldn't appreciate the good in paradise until evil manifested itself.
2) Only one universe is an assumption. I dont assume that. If God created this universe, there is nothing to indicate it is the only one. So, again, even if evil must be created with good, there still could be a larger environment in which to isolate it.
As far as being raised, you stated:
| Quote: |
| You might desagree with me, for it a natural factor - to support that which you've been raised to think. But keep an open mind and analize the matter |
.
I don't think you meant it so, but it comes off as if you are implying I am blind to rational analysis because of my upbringing. In fact, I'm not supporting any particular belief, just questioning the logic of others. You are positing that good and evil had to have been created in the beginning. Maybe, I really don't know. But I am interested in the logic of why you would believe that. Being unable to differentiate and appreciate does not make it impossible.
Personally, I can see either being true in fact. I just can't see that either one has to true. | HoboPelican wrote: |
| Che wrote: | ... ... apply this princible to Evil and Good (Love). If all there is is Good, then you'll never be aware that such thing exists. Thus, in order for us to recognize and appreciate Good (love), we need to have Evil and a reference point. ....
the universe is everything there is....
And I didn't necessarely mean to a religion when mentionning the way one is raised....
|
Love the thoughts, but I still have issues.
1) I accept that you need both to recognize and appreciate. That has no bearing on God creating a world with out Evil. Adam and Eve most likely couldn't appreciate the good in paradise until evil manifested itself.
2) Only one universe is an assumption. I dont assume that. If God created this universe, there is nothing to indicate it is the only one. So, again, even if evil must be created with good, there still could be a larger environment in which to isolate it.
As far as being raised, you stated:
| Quote: | | You might desagree with me, for it a natural factor - to support that which you've been raised to think. But keep an open mind and analize the matter |
.
I don't think you meant it so, but it comes off as if you are implying I am blind to rational analysis because of my upbringing. In fact, I'm not supporting any particular belief, just questioning the logic of others. You are positing that good and evil had to have been created in the beginning. Maybe, I really don't know. But I am interested in the logic of why you would believe that. Being unable to differentiate and appreciate does not make it impossible.
Personally, I can see either being true in fact. I just can't see that either one has to true. |
Hi HoboPelican...
I'm sorry my friend, this seems to have become a circular argument...
According to what I am able to grasp from your claim, "in the begining..." God created all sorts of things (with opposites), but just left that one out of the creation... Evil.
I mean he creates Light and Dark, Matter and Space, Blah and Halb. But pardon me here, when it came to Good, God decided to have Evil comes later on... "We have to leave this one off for man or someone else who God himself created to 'create' it."
Sorry again HoboPelican, for I have too turned a bit silly.
Botton Line:
An entity other than God can't create evil, evil just as good is experienced. You might do evil actions, but this is nothing more than induce a factor that already exists -- to experience it.
When you pinch a finger, you don't create pain, you experience pain. For pain is a factor that has already been created.
In regards to upbringing. All human beings act through habit. Doesn't mean you can't deliberate on a given matter, but it has been shown that the way one deliverates, or I could also say, observes a given spectrum is influenced by upbringing, or habit (feeling too but that is another topic). Yet, this is out of topic, and I apologize if it bothered you.
In regards to multiple universe... cool thoughts man... really a place with different rules sounds facinating... but I guess for this one on where you live, that doesn't really matter.
Good chat... | Che wrote: |
According to what I am able to grasp from your claim, "in the begining..." God created all sorts of things (with opposites), but just left that one out of the creation... Evil.
I mean he creates Light and Dark, Matter and Space, Blah and Halb. But pardon me here, when it came to Good, God decided to have Evil comes later on... "We have to leave this one off for man or someone else who God himself created to 'create' it." |
I don't see the problem, possibly something in YOUR upbringing is keeping you from seeing this. After all, he left woman for later on also.
| Quote: |
Botton Line:
An entity other than God can't create evil, evil just as good is experienced. |
Now THAT is something to ponder....That might need a better explanation for me. Are you saying evil (and good) dont exist except in an experiential sense. If so, are you saying evil and good are completely subjective?There is no such thing as right (good) and wrong (evil). It is all a matter of opinion and perspective.
There's something to ponder. 
| Surreal Killa wrote: |
There is no such thing as right (good) and wrong (evil). It is all a matter of opinion and perspective.
There's something to ponder. |
Good and Evil do exist! and well defined, I might add. To have an opinion on something it must first, exist! Whether an act is good or evil is what may be subjective, first defined by religion, secondly defined by society, then punished by said establishments. Killing can either be good or bad, and I don't mean toss a coin here, you can kill, for the benefit of man.
Example: a serial killer/rapist is stalking a neighbourhood, you take it upon yourself to catch the perpetrator of these deplorable acts, finding yourself in a situation where you must kill or be killed, you pull the trigger.
The situation is debatable on whether your actions were evil/good, we can even debate whether the serial/killer was evil or good. Circumstances may dictate his actions, circumstances we would need to know before making a fair analysis of the situation.
Do animals have an equivalent to our good/evil? Animal societies such as that which we see in apes, may include banishment for killing. You see, like humans, other primates do commit murder, rape and war.
Something to chew on,
MediadarThat's cool. I didn't know that about Apes. Where can I read more on the subject?
And what I meant by good and evil is; I could think rape and murder is good. You could think it is bad. Who is right? Just because the majority would be on you side, does that make you correct? Cuz with that logic... well, it isn't a "good" thing, I am sure you would agree. Because then whenever there was a majority of people who believed one way, all others would have to agree with them or else be deemed "wrong". Kinda like ancient Christians, killing non-believers. And recently in the Middle East some man changed his religion from Islam to Christianity, and he was to be executed if he did not revert back. With this, I am sure we see eye-to-eye on this being "wrong". But then again... perhapse Islam is the correct religion and by forcing him to revert they are saving his soul from eternal damnation, which then, it would be a "good" thing. Are you starting to see what I mean?
you could start with the book, 'Demonic Males : Apes and the Origins of Human Violence ', by Dale Peterson, Richard Wrangham.
Surreal, I understood what you meant, however, no matter how we look at it, good and evil exist in some form. African tribes, with no awareness of god, distinguish between good and evil, this includes punishment for acts deemed undesirable in relation to their society.
| Surreal Killa wrote: |
Because then whenever there was a majority of people who believed one way, all others would have to agree with them or else be deemed "wrong". Kinda like ancient Christians, killing non-believers. |
(Majority rules) Commonly administered via a government, their goal is to maintain decorum and control. On the other side of the coin, religion maintains a strict set of precepts/commandments/laws/rule to abide by, and are imposed without the need for a majority. (fascism)
Yes we may find the brutal beatings and slayings of woman in Asia deplorable, their culture supports it. Clitoridectomies are still performed as part of religious customs, we may not agree, but there is not a whole lot we can do about it.
So yes, good and evil are subjective, but do exist, and with the absence of government and religion, I'm certain that we'd maintain a certain level of justice, within smaller societies/tribes, for dealing with indecorous behaviour.
Mediadar. god - good thinking
evil - bad thinking
