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Now most of us here at some point in their life have used pirated software. I would like to ask what is your take on software piracy?

do you think it helps a business maintain a higher market share of their software?
do you think the copy protection being employed is only annoying legit users?
what do you think can be done to curb piracy.. besides a much lower pricing scheme

I also read somewhere that software companies treat software as physical property or intellectual property depending on the situation that benefits them. Anyone know of any examples of such cases Question ?
Balthamos
Piracy is bad. If you think stealing from a store is okay, then you will think piracy is okay as well. People tend to belittle software piracy because they are really not physically taking something, when in fact, they are actually stealing something.

It's a problem, but it cannot be stopped. The version tracking and protection help some, but do not stop the problem, but fuels it, as well as make real users usually do something extra for the problems of others. Nothing can really be done to stop it, as there will always be the rogue and headstrong types.

I don't know about such cases as where companies treat software as physical/intellectual property, but when you think about it, you would be ticked too if someone stole something you are trying to make some money off of? You can never truly appreciate a piece of software until you have tried to program one yourself.

~Balthamos
otiscom
Stealing is stealing, whether it's cars, money, bread or software!

You should not do it.
rajhank
Stealing is not good for the country's economy also.

Buy original softwares, games because a time will come when there will be no pirated things, then what will u do, of course buy the original, so make it a habit from now to buy original.

PIRACY SUCKS!!! Boo hoo!
ashik
Piracy is a crime. It's stealing.. Even not being able to afford a software is no excuse for stealing it..
eznet
Fortunately there are more and more useful open-source and free apps and os's to help people obtain the tools they need without being forced to use something that the creator doesn't want them to use. As far as piracy being a morally repugnant sin worthy of death; I can't say i agree. Now, I will admit that stealing is wrong and that piracy has the potential to damage and hinder development. With that said, often times the structure of piracy laws governing piracy shield and benefit the big guys while leaving the little guys high and dry. Between strong arm partnerships and frivolous patents big business exploits the legal system leaving the smaller companies with little foothold to compete in development. Also, it is well known with-in the industry that piracy often times benefits the company whose product is being pirated. M$ is a perfect example in its software being both the most pirated and most profitable software ever. As I said to being though, thank goodness that the open source movement is slowly making piracy something no longer needed for those in need to software!
babumuchhala
The reason piracy exists is because the softwares are too expensive.

If you take the case of my country India whwere the average cost of a PC is less tha $500, and then would like him to spend just $200 on windows xp is utter stupidity. It makes no sense when an average Indian family makes abt $250 per month. PC here come with all the sofwares installed (taking abt local pc vendrs and not big companies)

Softwares are prices exorbitantly high and thats why most of us pirate softwares. If i can get a software for $2 why would i spend $200 on some software.

The other reason is the net. Most of the stuff on the internet is free and thats causing problems. Since most of the stuff on the net is free why cant softwares be so.
N!Ce
Developing good software is really not easy. (Proper) Programming can be a quite hard job. Programmers deserve their money, that is why you should really buy an app if you have the money.

That is however, easily said for people who can afford it. For instance, a student who can hardly get his bread paid, will never be able to buy a 600$ app.

Also keep in mind that one of the reasons Microsoft had grown that fast were 'illegal copies'. I doubt more than 10% of Dos users in old times have purchased their copy of it.

A thing I really dislike and absolutely not tolerate is trying to get money out of piracy.
eznet
I agree. Never should people make money off of pirated software. It is one thing for someone to pirate a piece of software out of neccesity but an entirely different thing to pirate for financial gain.

There is no denying that writing good functional software is a difficult task and that the writer should be paid for it. The question comes in when you ask should he get paid for it a million times. Many programmers (actually MOST all) freelance their abilities out for projects often times affording themselves very lucritive lifestyles while working from home. I would bet less than 5% of the programmers out there actually work writing software for m$ or the other 2 companies you actually buy stuff from. Our software market is much like the music industry (tho not as soul-less), the rich people keep on getting richer off of their products while the small guy gets the same thing they always have.

These laws profit the big guys more than anything... there are just as talented guys making $ off of projects who arent crying over piracy because they just write another peice of software to make more $.
chat
I agree with all of you,it is profit and bussiness like everything other Exclamation
m0u53m4t
Balthamos wrote:
Piracy is bad. If you think stealing from a store is okay, then you will think piracy is okay as well. People tend to belittle software piracy because they are really not physically taking something, when in fact, they are actually stealing something.

It's a problem, but it cannot be stopped. The version tracking and protection help some, but do not stop the problem, but fuels it, as well as make real users usually do something extra for the problems of others. Nothing can really be done to stop it, as there will always be the rogue and headstrong types.

I don't know about such cases as where companies treat software as physical/intellectual property, but when you think about it, you would be ticked too if someone stole something you are trying to make some money off of? You can never truly appreciate a piece of software until you have tried to program one yourself.

~Balthamos

I'm not endorsing piracy, but here is what I think. Stealing money/food/other physical items will effect the person alot, because if you steal it from them, they dont have it anymore. Some people could probably think piracy is ok, because 1. the company already has loads of cash 2. They wont notice a difference, but I will.

Just a thought... Rolling Eyes
exarkun
m0u53m4t wrote:
Some people could probably think piracy is ok, because 1. the company already has loads of cash 2. They wont notice a difference, but I will.

Just a thought... Rolling Eyes


So I take it that your company software got attacked by 'pirates'? Oh well, but did you think of the poor as well? Even in some countries, people had to struggle hard to survive in this present economic too. Where do they have the extra money for original software?
Stubru Freak
Come on, people, I'm a programmer myself, and really.

If you're rich and can afford the software, piracy is bad.

If you're poor and can't afford the software, it's totally different from stealing a car.

A car costs money per item. So one stolen car costs someone money.

Software doesn't cost money per item. So if you have to decide between using pirated software and not using that software, and you choose the pirated, who loses? Nobody. Not the company, because they now make zero dollar out of your copy instead of... zero dollar if you hadn't pirated it.
Who wins?
You
The company (market share!)

And software IS something inbetween physical and intellectual property, for various reasons. For example:
Almost no intellectual property can produce something and make profit for a company. Software can.
Physical property can't be copied for (almost) free. Software can.
And a lot more.

Software should be treated seperately, we shouldn't edit the current laws to include software, but instead use completely new laws. Software is something unique not seen before.
alienjones
Stubru Freak wrote:

If you're rich and can afford the software, piracy is bad.

If you're poor and can't afford the software, it's totally different from stealing a car.

A car costs money per item. So one stolen car costs someone money.

Software doesn't cost money per item. So if you have to decide between using pirated software and not using that software, and you choose the pirated, who loses? Nobody.


WORD!

It's also about fairness - take a look at music producing.

When I am using warezed software in order to produce music and this music is going to be sold, I am a really bad guy.

But when I am a music-student and I use warezed software in oder to just learn it, I am not a bad guy. When it later comes to the question of buying a music-software, the warezed one will be bought, beacause it is already known.
Lapinbleu
Piracy? Not piracy? A thorny question indeed.

1 - If I steal your shoes, I have shoes and you go barefoot.

2 - If I copy your Idea, you still have the idea, but might righteously feel a bit pissed that I didn't ask, or give you credit...

3 - If we share an idea, we both have as much as before, perhaps more, for we may have added something in the sharing.

The first scenario doesn't really exist with software - by copying I am not depriving anyone of anything.

The second is like trying shareware, and putting up with the nag screen rather than paying the $20 or $40 it costs. It's a bit mean, you could at least send them a postcard of your village, or a mail of thanks - who knows, the developers might send you the serial for being honest... This has happened to me.

The third situation is Free Software. That's not free as in gratos, that's Free as in liberty. The Free Software movement has brought us softs that are equal to or better than those you can buy. Since I tried OpenOffice I threw my pirate copy of MS Office out to make room - it just doesn't cut the mustard!

We cannot all program to the level required to improve Open Source software, any more than we can all run a mile in four minutes. But I am glad that there are those who can, very glad.

We all use Free software, and most of us have something pirated or unpaid shareware. It upsets me then to see discussions here about "how can I stop people stealing my images?" There is an easy way. Share... No-one can steal what is given freely.
Timothysm
I'm a college student, so yeah, I pirate. Its hard to pay money I could use for laundry, gas, food, etc on something that I can find freely available on the internet.

However, there are times when I don't, like say if someone is providing me a free service and they ask that I don't use pirated software on their machines. I have no problem, I just do it on my own machine in my dorm.
jayandsilo
software piracy isn't theft, it's copyright infringement. I hate those stupid movie ads that say 'would you steal a car' etc. because they aren't even comparing the same criminal offence.
sgwreviews
I'm not happy about this, but I do use pirated software sometimes, cause I just can't afford to buy it.
I also think that software company's don't mind it that much if you only use it for your own use. But they will mind if you make copies it and sell it.

Now if everyone is honest, who would buy for example Dreamweaver, or Photoshop at that price.
It's just to much that they charge for it. I know it costs much to make these programs, but if you think about how many copy's they do SELL, then whow, those company's are making big money, even with alot of people pirating it.
eznet
Seems to be unanimous… if you can’t afford it, then most people think that it is okay to rip it. As long as you can stand in judgment by your peers and be deemed a good man/woman and rest at night knowing that, then the world is indeed a good and just place! Thank the heavens there is more and more open source freeware becoming available every day. With its quality rapidly improving this discussion may one day be a thing of the past. Viva la revolution!
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