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Now the UN wants in on the US bashing...





S3nd K3ys
According to Fox News...

Quote:
UNITED NATIONS The United Nations' No. 2 official accused the U.S. government of keeping Middle America in the dark about the world body's good works, a rare direct criticism that drew an angry response Wednesday from Ambassador John Bolton.


Say g'bye to any support that MIGHT have been left for the UN in the US. The US created the UN and the US will abandon it if it keeps up the shenanigans.
-TomJ-
S3nd K3ys wrote:
The US created the UN ...


I beg your pardon? The US created the UN???
I know some Americans have a somewhat distorted notion of how the world turns, but this is the limit. Have you ever heard of the League of Nations that existed before World War II which was the predecessor of the United Nations?

Some Americans - the best known one goes by the name of George W. Bush - think their cowboys-and-sherrifs play can be applied to the entire globe. Hasn't anyone been able to convice them that it is absolutely ludicrous to declare US legislation to be valid worldwide? Don't they know that there more than 120 INDEPENDENT states on the globe that all have their own moral standards and values, and that none of them is waiting for the Americans to interfere in their national affairs.
There is this thing going on in the US about the legalisation of same-sex-marriages. The US Federal Constitution declares all men equal, but when gay persons want exactly this equal treatment, some people want to impose their so-called "Christian" values upon everyone. While at the same time the USA is the biggest producer of porn ("Thou shalt not covet thy neighbours wife"), the US allows guns to sold to anyone being able to recite the ABC ("Thou shalt not kill"). Why don't the US have the guts to commit to the International Courts? Why are people taken prisoner and denied a trial for more than four years? Why is the USA supporting warlords in Somalia that only a few years ago were dancing on the bodies of American helicopter crew members? Why won't the US subscribe to international treaties to reduce global heating? ...

The USA has commited to be a UN member, but refuses to live up to the obligations that come with that membership. Rather than paying the agreed fees that would allow the UN to function more smoothly, the USA is moaning that the nations of the world dare to have an opinion of their own!

And here is someone claiming the UN to be yet another US invention? Learn to read and find yourself a history book, preferably from a unbiased source!
risuarez
S3nd K3ys wrote:

Say g'bye to any support that MIGHT have been left for the UN in the US. The US created the UN and the US will abandon it if it keeps up the shenanigans.


This is a clear example of someone copletely uncapable of performing impartial analysis and completely biased by his ideology and his beliefs of superiority over the rest of us. It isn't even worth it to discuss with him.
lyndonray
So now any criticism of the U.S. is considered U.S.-bashing!! The whole Us vs Them mentality a lot of americans have, is really counter-productive. It's like they believe the whole world is out to destroy them - even the UN, forget that their HQs are in NYC!! Whenever anybody, or any country doesn't agree with the US they are called anti-US. If that isn't childish i don't what is!!

The person I blame the most for this rediculous rationale is none other than the world's most popular guy, who, among other questionable things, happens to have the presidential seal on his cowboy boots (no really, he does!!!): W. His whole, "you are either with us or against us" bull-hockey has a lot of americans acting dumb and saying stupid things. [Hint]

Seriously, I can't wait until that... i don't even know what to call him any more, leaves the oval office, and hopefully some rational behaviour will return. As for the UN, they should really ban John Bolton and his moustache!! Actually maybe if the guy was introduced to a Gillette Mach 3 razor he would return to his senses!! That guy went there with the whole purpose of antogonising the UN. Why do you think it took him so long to be confirmed. Wait a minute, he wasn't even confirmed properly: W had to wait until the congress was in recess to get the scruffy punk in!!
S3nd K3ys
Enragement ensues... Laughing Laughing

And history owns you.

Not only did the US (for the most part) create the UN, (just ask Theo), but the US is STILL the country funding (by a LONG SHOT) the majority of it. We're putting more resources in it. We do more than just about any other country does. Headquarters is in the US.

You're damn right they're going to get cut off if they don't quit badmouthing the US. They insulted the American PEOPLE. Not just the government. That, in and of itself, will not go well for the UN.

BTW, with the corruption going on in the UN, it's shameful for them to blame their problems on US.
Miniwood
S3nd K3ys wrote:
Enragement ensues... Laughing Laughing


Was the whole point of the post to enrage people and thus amuse you?
S3nd K3ys
Miniwood wrote:
S3nd K3ys wrote:
Enragement ensues... Laughing Laughing


Was the whole point of the post to enrage people and thus amuse you?


No. If I wanted to enrage people for amusement, I'd use something more likely to get better result (including a ban), like put up a picture of Hitler or say all Muslims are Terrorists and should be Killed or something along those lines.

But the enragement obtained here was strictly coincidental and will be considered more of a bonus than a goal. Wink
Miniwood
I asked because I come across a lot of ignorant Fox viewers with an inflated opinion of Americas role in the world who seem to hold their views simply because other people don't like it.

In the way that rebellious teenagers get into music that their parents don't approve of. The teen doesn't particularly like the music better than any other but their enjoyment of it is sweetened by the disapproval. Your statement:

S3nd K3ys wrote:
the enragement obtained here was strictly coincidental and will be considered more of a bonus than a goal


seems to show that you get a thrill from the disapproval.

I don't think the UN is perfect but I think it is a step towards uniting humanity in the common cause of keeping us all fed, with decent healthcare and education. The UN makes mistakes but it is far easier to change an institution from the inside, as a member. I think that sticking with something and making it work is better than leaving because people will not do it all your way. Negotiation is a skill that requires commitment and compromise.
S3nd K3ys
Miniwood wrote:
I asked because I come across a lot of ignorant Fox viewers with an inflated opinion of Americas role in the world who seem to hold their views simply because other people don't like it.



If you're insinuating I'm ignorant, I would beg to differ. I spend more time on CNN, Reuters and Al Jezera than I do on Fox most times. And while I am strongly vocal in my opinions, those opinions are most times formed with equal information from BOTH sides. Wink (I'm a recovering Democrat)

Quote:

S3nd K3ys wrote:
the enragement obtained here was strictly coincidental and will be considered more of a bonus than a goal


seems to show that you get a thrill from the disapproval.


When the enragement is from ignorance or stupidity, yes, it's a thrill. When enragement is from denial, tis even better. Laughing

Quote:
I don't think the UN is perfect but I think it is a step towards uniting humanity in the common cause of keeping us all fed, with decent healthcare and education. The UN makes mistakes but it is far easier to change an institution from the inside, as a member. I think that sticking with something and making it work is better than leaving because people will not do it all your way. Negotiation is a skill that requires commitment and compromise.


I agree 90%. But what the UN did was attack the US citizens. Not the government. The UN is a civil servant and that was completely un-called for. They've got issues, sure. But they are not willing to work them out, then blame US for the problems.

Why isn't the UN taking care of problems that seriously need addressing? Both internally in the UN and internationally?

BTW, not sure if you heard just hours after the speach, he apologized for attacking Fox News like he did and admitted to being strongly 'addicted' to Fox News.
Miniwood
S3nd K3ys wrote:

If you're insinuating I'm ignorant, I would beg to differ. I spend more time on CNN, Reuters and Al Jezera than I do on Fox most times. And while I am strongly vocal in my opinions, those opinions are most times formed with equal information from BOTH sides. Wink (I'm a recovering Democrat)


No, I don't know you well enough to insinuate anything. I was just sounding you out and I'm glad to hear you keep yourself informed.

S3nd K3ys wrote:
what the UN did was attack the US citizens. Not the government. The UN is a civil servant and that was completely un-called for.


There is a difference between 'attack' and 'criticise'. As I understand it the UN guy criticised the US government for giving the American people a biased and unbalanced view of the UN, criticising but not pointing out the good that it does too. I know that Bush likes a one sided fight but it's a little unfair of Washington to talk the UN down and then call foul when the UN bites back.

S3nd K3ys wrote:
They've got issues, sure. But they are not willing to work them out, then blame US for the problems. Why isn't the UN taking care of problems that seriously need addressing? Both internally in the UN and internationally?


As John Bolton himself said (UK Channel 4 news today) the UN is going through a difficult and far reaching reform process. This reform is what's at stake here, the US wants the UN formed in a way that will benefit the US. This little spat is a reflection of the negotiations going on behind closed doors.

I disagree that America formed the UN, the headquarters were based in the New York to appease the US which was in danger of returning to isolationism after WW2.

I agree that the US foots a lot of the bills, but it is the richest country. If you invite me out to dinner, and you're paying, you can choose the restaurant but not what I eat.
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