im not trying to be a treehugger or anything like that, but i mean if we switched to electric cars the world would gain so many benefits. The ozone would be better off along with the enviornment. People would have more money in there pocket. We could save millions even billions if we didnt use gas. That money could be used for charities, helping world huner, ending wars/dictatorships. etc. only if our technology was used for good and not evil. And if we can't i don't know what our world would come to. Maybe they could run on solar panels.
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Most of your claims are completely untrue.
Vehicles require energy to run. If cars convert to electric, that electricity is still going to need to be generated somewhere (the way things are going in the US, most likely from a coal fired power plant).
The majority of the fuel used in the US is in the form of diesel used to move freight. There is simply not battery strong enough to perform the same task using an electric system, the diesel system works better.
How? There is no such thing as free energy. Plugging your car in will still cost you money.
So would not spending 2 billion dollars a day in IRAQ, but sadly I'm not in charge of this country.
Research what today's solar cars look like. Barely large enough for one person.
Before you go on this topic anymore, do some research. I'm all for intelligent discourse, but I also dream of visiting mars. Dreaming doesn't get me anywhere.
Most of your claims are completely untrue.
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The majority of the fuel used in the US is in the form of diesel used to move freight. There is simply not battery strong enough to perform the same task using an electric system, the diesel system works better.
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Before you go on this topic anymore, do some research. I'm all for intelligent discourse, but I also dream of visiting mars. Dreaming doesn't get me anywhere.
If people switch to electric cars, we wouldn't be able to drive past 40 miles and would spend more money charging up there cars than for filling up there tanks.
Theres an alternative, fuel cell coarse but if we all switched to fuel cell cars, we wouldn't be going any where for a while cause the infrastructure to fuel everyones cars up with hydrogen isn't in existence yet.
Than there hybrids. No real down side there. Except screaming oil excites. "AHHHH! Profits are way down! Now how am I going to pay the guy black mailing me?! He'll release the pictures of my trip to Cambodia!"
Theres an alternative, fuel cell coarse but if we all switched to fuel cell cars, we wouldn't be going any where for a while cause the infrastructure to fuel everyones cars up with hydrogen isn't in existence yet.
Than there hybrids. No real down side there. Except screaming oil excites. "AHHHH! Profits are way down! Now how am I going to pay the guy black mailing me?! He'll release the pictures of my trip to Cambodia!"
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This is where oil has an advantage. The energetic cost of producing one gallon of gasoline is less than the amount of energy it will provide.
So, while the car might not be spitting out hydrocarbon emissions, the power plant producing the energy to split water still will be.
Dislamier: bioreactors creating H+ ? Our bodies do it fairly easily.
I think that it shouldn't be so much a question of what form of energy we will use as a species to power our great society. Its more of a question of how we will reduce the amount of energy we use. No form of energy is going to be a perfect resource.
though its not the case in all 1rst world countries there is a very distructive attitude towards the accumulation of money. Its understandable to disire finacial stability but alot of companies and individuals take more then enough and there disire for more dictates some less humane actions. This attitude drives mankind to build very self distructive conditions.
Aside from that particular human issue in our society there are a lot of other very "human" attitudes that could be changed in order to reduce the amount of stress we put on our resources. for example walking or riding a bike when plausable instead of being to lazy or "busy".
though its not the case in all 1rst world countries there is a very distructive attitude towards the accumulation of money. Its understandable to disire finacial stability but alot of companies and individuals take more then enough and there disire for more dictates some less humane actions. This attitude drives mankind to build very self distructive conditions.
Aside from that particular human issue in our society there are a lot of other very "human" attitudes that could be changed in order to reduce the amount of stress we put on our resources. for example walking or riding a bike when plausable instead of being to lazy or "busy".
If everybody buying a new car bought one with much better fuel economy then we could decrease pollution AND save money at the same time. There are several cars which can go 20 km on 1 litre of petrol. However, as long as people are not worried about the price of petrol and buy 200hp gas-guzzlers then petrol consumption is going to continue at this high rate until it starts to run out.
Very true, but people here in the US would rather spend more on gas and drive an SUV than save money.
Well as oil reserves are likely to run out* within our or our childrens lifetime we're just going to have to wait and see.
*For a given definition of "run out" - reach a point where it is too expensive to extract it to make using oil profitable.
*For a given definition of "run out" - reach a point where it is too expensive to extract it to make using oil profitable.
Its a big planet with allot of crust that very thick in some areas, I doubt we'll run our within our grate, great, grate grandchildren time.
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I've researched this a bit. New cars that are more fuel efficient are also nore costly, If you buy a hybrid car, it'll still cost more to operate and pay for it than a normal car for the first five or six years, until you pay off the car. So it takes about five or six years to really start saving money.
Especially in the US, where the gas prices are considered one of the lowest in all the world. If we adjusted our gas prices to reflect some European countries, there would be less cars and other alternative solutions to it.
I once saw an article about a fireplace that produced heat from water. The water was electolyzed and the resulting hydrogen was burned to create heat, while the oxygen was added back for color. The device was touted as eco-friendly because burning hydrogen only created water vapor. However, similar points were raised about the fact that electricity had to be created elsewhere, most likely involving the burning of fossil fuels. Just because the pollution is not at the point of energy use, it's somewhere along the line.
I’m no expert but I don’t see why people are looking at hybrids and hydrogen. Alcohol seems to be the future of mobility. It’s renewable and clean burning. You can add it to gas in higher and higher percentages or simple add the new fuel. It would be as easy logistically as replacing a grade of gas.
Hybrids use big heavy copper cores and heavy metal filled batteries. Hydrogen is expensive, nasty, and expensive. Hydrogen is also expensive and nasty. Solar panels are ridiculous. The only thing a solar powered car might replace is an obnoxiously wide bicycle.
Spirits driven economy.
Hybrids use big heavy copper cores and heavy metal filled batteries. Hydrogen is expensive, nasty, and expensive. Hydrogen is also expensive and nasty. Solar panels are ridiculous. The only thing a solar powered car might replace is an obnoxiously wide bicycle.
Spirits driven economy.
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Hybrids use less gas and thus saving money and putting out less emissions.
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Nothing is clean burning plus alcohol would cost more than gas to fill up.
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And gas isn't?
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Please read, copper and heavey metals, very $. CAN NOT REPLACE current # ov V hicles
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In comp to H2 anyway
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Just like every other part of a car, and alternate brakes, you get a cracked head. Money, money, money. Except gas is the most expose part of the car so you still and you use less so you still help the environment.
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One of the things gas has going for it is it is cheep, Alcohol would cost more to produse. And nothing is clees burning, it would still put out emitions.
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Its not? Than how do cars run on, after all it is called an internl combustion engin.
Gas is very flammable and burns hotter than hydrogen. Gas is just as dangerous if not more dangerous than hydrogen.
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Just like every other part of a car, and alternate brakes, you get a cracked head. Money, money, money. Except gas is the most expose part of the car so you still and you use less so you still help the environment. |
Hybrids use large batteries (heavy metals that poison ground water and accumulate in living things) and larger and a greater number of copper cores (the thing made of wire inside motors generators and alternators, not a practical replacement).
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temporary: lasting for a time only. Webster
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Its not? Than how do cars run on, after all it is called an internl combustion engin. Gas is very flammable and burns hotter than hydrogen. Gas is just as dangerous if not more dangerous than hydrogen. |
expensive: high in price, cost. Webster
nasty: troublesome.
Hydrogen is stored under pressure. When it is released it absorbs very large amounts of energy, line nitrogen. It has a diffusion rate that is very fast. In high concentration it is flammable to the point of explosive.
The reason it is nasty is that it takes more energy no make than you get from it and it produced more emissions than gas counting the electricity to make it.
There is less fact and more partisan arguing here than the threads I've seen on God and homosexuality. 
Everyone has his point of view, but nobody is backing up with facts (with references, anyway)
Oh well, when in Rome.....
We will go with Nuclear for power generation and alcohol will be used for cars. Whoever was saying alcohol was too expensive, please remember there is a huge industry built up around supplying gas for cars, don't you think the economy of scale would reduce the cost of alcohol once it became more prevalent? And are you expecting gas prices to stay where they are? My money is on higher prices in the long run, so at what price per gallon for gas does alcohol become equivilant?
Everyone has his point of view, but nobody is backing up with facts (with references, anyway)
Oh well, when in Rome.....
We will go with Nuclear for power generation and alcohol will be used for cars. Whoever was saying alcohol was too expensive, please remember there is a huge industry built up around supplying gas for cars, don't you think the economy of scale would reduce the cost of alcohol once it became more prevalent? And are you expecting gas prices to stay where they are? My money is on higher prices in the long run, so at what price per gallon for gas does alcohol become equivilant?
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