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A 23-year-old medical student hailing from Himachal Pradesh was allegedly shot dead by some Afro-Asian youths in the American state of Pennsylvania, his family said on Sunday.
Hitendra Thakur, a student of medicine at the Harrisburg Area Community College in Pennsylvania, worked part-time at a departmental store owned by an Indian, Hoshiar Singh.
"We were informed about the killing by a friend of his," said Khem Singh Thakur, the father of Hitendra, who went to the US four years ago.
"Killing an innocent foreigner in a free country like America is highly shameful indeed," said the grieving father.
The body is expected to reach Hitendra's hometown Mandi by Monday. source |
I hope that American authorities do the justice and punish the culprits.
Last edited by manumiglani on Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:58 am; edited 1 time in totalI too hope that the murderer responsible for his death is apprehended and dealt with properly.
Having said that, this news story is very poorly written. There are two sides to every story. I'm not sure we can even see one side from this article. This is a poor story, and is lacking many many details.
| benjad wrote: |
| This is a poor story, and is lacking many many details. |
Well this article is from one of the best Indian newspapers.
Also, How can one provide every detail when these are unavailable. You are cursing the media for a bad story but not understanding the unavailability of information. | manumiglani wrote: |
Also, How can one provide every detail when these are unavailable. You are cursing the media for a bad story but not understanding the unavailability of information. |
You've already convicted the people that killed him without knowing what happened.
How do you know why they killed him? Self defense is a possibility.
ha ha ha ..... you make me laugh by your posts S3nd K3ys.
I convicted people. hah! I just said that lets hope the culprit would be punished. Does that mean that I am trying to convince people for anything ? I wonder how do you interpret things ot just post for the sake of posting.
| S3nd K3ys wrote: |
| Self defense is a possibility. |
Shame on you!
Think before you post anything. You are saying something about a dead person. You have no right to say these type of things and call him a attacker.
Instead of offering condolences to the victim and his family you are delibrately making false allegations on him.
We are not discussing of possibilities here. Even the possibilities are that he was killed by a ghost....
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ha ha ha ..... you make me laugh by your posts S3nd K3ys.
I convicted people. hah! I just said that lets hope the culprit would be punished. Does that mean that I am trying to convince people for anything ? I wonder how do you interpret things ot just post for the sake of posting.
| S3nd K3ys wrote: | | Self defense is a possibility. |
Shame on you!
Think before you post anything. You are saying something about a dead person. You have no right to say these type of things and call him a attacker.
Instead of offering condolences to the victim and his family you are delibrately making false allegations on him.
We are not discussing of possibilities here. Even the possibilities are that he was killed by american students because of racism. Also, American authorities should reveal why he was killed. They are tight lipped because they have something to hide. |
Wow. You should come back here tomorrow and re-read your first post.
No.
Really.
Or perhaps you just have some mental condition that prohibits you from putting your thoughts into properly descriptive words and sentance structure... 
You said:
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| I hope that American authorities do the justice and punish the culprits. |
If that's not a conviction, I don't know what is.
But please do continue this comical rant... 
| S3nd K3ys wrote: |
| manumiglani wrote: | ha ha ha ..... you make me laugh by your posts S3nd K3ys.
I convicted people. hah! I just said that lets hope the culprit would be punished. Does that mean that I am trying to convince people for anything ? I wonder how do you interpret things ot just post for the sake of posting.
| S3nd K3ys wrote: | | Self defense is a possibility. |
Shame on you!
Think before you post anything. You are saying something about a dead person. You have no right to say these type of things and call him a attacker.
Instead of offering condolences to the victim and his family you are delibrately making false allegations on him.
We are not discussing of possibilities here. Even the possibilities are that he was killed by american students because of racism. Also, American authorities should reveal why he was killed. They are tight lipped because they have something to hide. |
Wow. You should come back here tomorrow and re-read your first post.
No.
Really.
Or perhaps you just have some mental condition that prohibits you from putting your thoughts into properly descriptive words and sentance structure...
You said:
| Quote: | | I hope that American authorities do the justice and punish the culprits. |
If that's not a conviction, I don't know what is.
But please do continue this comical rant... |
hah! Do not worry about my mental condition. Everyone knows about the Frihost Freak who is Mentally ill but always makes the same allegations about others. Perhaps that is one of the symptoms of his mental sickness.
| S3nd K3ys wrote: |
| I don't know what is. |
So, you do not know about it. I thought you know the meaning of justice. But, Do not worry I will let you know what it is.
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| Justice is a concept involving the fair, moral, and impartial treatment of all persons, especially in law. |
That means that there should be fair, moral and impartial treamtment of the this case.
If this case is investigated properly with justice, and culprits are found. Shouldn't they be punished ?
please do not reply if you think the culprits should not be punished.
| S3nd K3ys wrote: |
| do continue this comical rant |
Its not a dam joke to make false self framed allegations about a dead person.
But, I know that you won't be able to understand it. Reason: I have stated above.
RAWRRRR!!!!!!!!!
Enragement ensues...
| manumiglani wrote: |
So, you do not know about it. I thought you know the meaning of justice. But, Do not worry I will let you know what it is.
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I know the meaning of justice.
I also know the meaning of
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| punish the culprits. |
And that you lumped them together...
As for the 'culprit' being punished, we don't know WHO is the culprit. Like I said, it could be that he was killed for attacking someone. We don't know. So we shouldn't judge until we do.
THAT, my ignorant irate friend, is justice.
| S3nd K3ys wrote: |
| So we shouldn't judge until we do. |
Here you are saying that we should not judge.
| S3nd K3ys wrote: |
| Like I said, it could be that he was killed for attacking someone. |
But in this statement you are judging that he was killed for attacking someone.
You are making and contradicting your own statements.
How can you say that he was killed for attacking someone? Unless, being proved one can only beleive that he was killed and the reasons should be revealed by american authorities. You can even say that he was killed by a ghost. Don't think that your baseless theories would be beleived. As far as reason of his murder is concerned, proper investigations should be done instead of taking the theory you mentioned.
And my friend, there are no "could be" in justice. | manumiglani wrote: |
| S3nd K3ys wrote: | | So we shouldn't judge until we do. |
Here you are saying that we should not judge.
| S3nd K3ys wrote: | | Like I said, it could be that he was killed for attacking someone. |
But in this statement you are judging that he was killed for attacking someone.
You are making and contradicting your own statements.
How can you say that he was killed for attacking someone? Unless, being proved one can only beleive that he was killed and the reasons should be revealed by american authorities. You can even say that he was killed by a ghost. Don't think that your baseless theories would be beleived. As far as reason of his murder is concerned, proper investigations should be done instead of taking the theory you mentioned.
And my friend, there are no "could be" in justice. |
Reading and Comprehension is key.
I put them out as possibilities. Please do yourself a favor and re-read my posts.The morale of the story is, this is a very poor news article. It is in no way informative, and in most ways strongly slanted.
No official source is sited for the article, it only says that the 'family' called the news source to say he was killed in Pennsylvania. This could easily be a fake news story, it's not from a credible source.
There is no story of what events actually transpired. For all we know, he was robbing a store, and was shot by the 'afro-asian' youth behind the counter.
Bottom line, this is VERY poor journalism. There is no credible source, and no real reason for anyone to carry this. Why post it here? If you really wanted to discuss this issue, why not find a Harrisburgh, PA news source and try to find the details.
But no, instead your point only is, shame on the US. A family member told me someone was shot in the US.
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| S3nd K3ys wrote: |
| I put them out as possibilities. |
There are no possibilities in Justice. Justice is fair, true without possibilities. No one cares a damn about your possibilities. You can even say that he was killed by a ghost.
Also, he was not killed in self defence.
Infact, He was killed just $100[
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According to Harrisburg police, the robber pointed a handgun at Thakur through an open window in the glass that surrounds the counter as protection for the clerk and as Thakur bent to shut the window he was fired upon.
Thakur was alone at the store and a customer later found the body behind the counter and called for help.
The killer is said to have emptied the register but netting only a little more than US$ 100. |
source : http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?ID=IE820060528120625&Page=8&Title=NRIs&Topic=0&
So, do you now agree S3nd K3ys, that he was not killed in self defence?
| benjad wrote: |
| No official source is sited for the article |
hah, i can give you tens of sources for this article.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1581959.cms
http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?ID=IE820060528120625&Page=8&Title=NRIs&Topic=0&
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1707670,000900010005.htm
http://in.news.yahoo.com/060528/43/64ltw.html
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1031864&CatID=9
http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=388223
http://www.hinduonnet.com/holnus/001200605281922.htm
http://news.webindia123.com/news/Articles/India/20060528/346906.html
http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnews&id=1628
http://www.chennaionline.com/colnews/newsitem.asp?NEWSID=%7B488A6B6A-A9D3-40B2-A931-67FF7974D0A6%7D&CATEGORYNAME=NATIONAL
http://www.nerve.in/news:2535002874
| benjad wrote: |
| it's not from a credible source. |
This gives me mix feelings of anger and compassion.
Do you trust outlook and yahoo for news ?
http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=388223
http://in.news.yahoo.com/060528/43/64ltw.html
S3nd K3ys, You should think before you post, Cursing and making false baseless allegations against a dead person will not prove your point and will lead you nowhere.
Last edited by manumiglani on Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:05 am; edited 1 time in totalWay to go, you posted links that all lead back to the same (two) uninformed articles.
Read the article carefully, and decide how credible the information is. In your article, a family member called the press to say a friend told them their son was shot in the US. This is not credible information! If I call my local newspaper and say my brother got shot, they aren't just going to print my story. They will contact appropriate officials to determine what really happened --- this is journalism.. The story you posted is not, it is simply sensational grandstanding.
Real news articles contain facts and details, and allow the reader to make informed decisions of the events which occured.
If you want REAL news, go local. Go to the source of the story. Here are four ACTUAL news articles that would be worthy of publishing and discussing:
My qualm is not with the events that take place, that is a tragedy. My qualm is the sham of a 'news' article you posted. It contains heresay 'news' and says 'How dare someone in the US commit a crime'. Everyone in the 'US' should be ashamed. Read the third article, and you will discover that EVERYONE in the US was not celebrating this crime being committed. You will see a community that was HORIFIED by the events that took place.
Would you like me to crawl Yahoo India and see how many crimes were committed against visitors to your country. I'm sure the numbers will be quite amusing. Are you telling me than Indian is a crime free country? The robber was after the money, and would probably have shot anyone behind the counter. The fact that it was an Indian need not mean that the killer shot him because he was an Indian.
Also, on a side note,
| original post's news-story wrote: |
| "Killing an innocent foreigner in a free country like America is highly shameful indeed," said the grieving father. |
Quite basically, one can see that the perceived notion of the USA (in general) is that of a free, developed and advanced nation, where one would hope that foreigners are not targetted (even though this is clearly not the case, in a lot of places).
On the other hand, crawling Yahoo to come up with stories of crime against foreigners in India is pointless, because most, or well, at least, some Americans don't think of India as an advanced or modern nation | benjad wrote: |
| Read the article carefully, and decide how credible the information is. |
hah....... in the article the Harrisburg police is quoted.
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| According to Harrisburg police, the robber pointed a handgun at Thakur |
SO, do you think Harrisburg police does not provide credible information? You can't be helped if you do not trust police of your own country.
Information is credible, it has information from Harrisburg police and the statement released from Mayor's office.
Its upto you to decide how credible your Police and Mayor are.
| benjad wrote: |
| a family member called the press to say a friend told them their son was shot in the US |
Please read the article from the links I have posted and then reply. Its not just their family members who said that he was killed. Your Police and Mayor also accept that this incident took place...
For your sake I am just quoting the story once again. Hope you read this fully this time. Please do not reply until you read it fully.
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INDIAN
Indian student shot dead in Pennsylvania
SRIDHAR KRISHNASWAMI WASHINGTON, MAY 28 (PTI)
An Indian student working part time at a convenience store in the US state of Pennsylvania has been shot dead by an unidentified assailant 23-year-old Hitender Thakur, hailing from Mandi, Himachal Pradesh, was working evenings at an all night convenience store when he was shot in the chest by the robber after midnight on May 25. According to Harrisburg police, the robber pointed a handgun at Thakur through an open window in the glass that surrounds the counter as protection for the clerk and as Thakur bent to shut the window he was fired upon. Thakur was alone at the store and a customer later found the body behind the counter and called for help.
The killer is said to have emptied the register but netting only a little more than US$ 100. A statement released by the Mayor's office said that police have few leads in the case other than the assailant being described only as a black male of thin built, under six feet tall, wearing a black hooded T shirt and blue jeans. |
| benjad wrote: |
| My qualm is not with the events that take place, that is a tragedy. |
Its good that you agree to this.
| benjad wrote: |
| How dare someone in the US commit a crime |
There is nothing like that in this news article.
And also I agree that no country is crime free, but saying that everyone is killed for self defence is indeed wrong.....
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| But, there aren't too many countries where robbers kill innocent persons for just $100. |
OMG!
I just spewed soda thru my nose!
Uhm, this type of stuff happens all the time. It dosnt matter that the person behind the counter was an indian, statistically, that is bound to happen. There are hundreds of deaths each year in armed robberies, usually for very small amounts of money.
Summary:
A tragedy, certainly, but nothing to take note of as world news. It's no more of a tragedy than any lethal japanese industrial accident, or an iraqi being in the wrong place at the wrong time, or an innocent spaniard being caught in a police shootout with a suspect. These things happen every day.
No amount of money is worth killing for, but I bet armed robbers in many african countries would kill for $100.
How could someone loss a life just like that man, Well the victim just lost a dream which he might have taught about. Anyway the culprit should be punished if not then there is no point of having police in this world where people are just killed and the nobody is getting punish for that....
damn man...
Okay? How many murders occur in the U.S. daily? How many of them occur to foreigners? Quite a bit, sadly. Not to seem callous, but I fail to see how this is "World News."
| S3nd K3ys wrote: |
| I just spewed soda thru my nose! |
Now plz don't say that you did that through your a$$ too.
| Soulfire wrote: |
| Okay? How many murders occur in the U.S. daily? How many of them occur to foreigners? Quite a bit, sadly. Not to seem callous, but I fail to see how this is "World News." |
So do you want to say that murders should not be taken care of?
Last edited by manumiglani on Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:07 am; edited 1 time in total | manumiglani wrote: |
| Soulfire wrote: | | Okay? How many murders occur in the U.S. daily? How many of them occur to foreigners? Quite a bit, sadly. Not to seem callous, but I fail to see how this is "World News." |
So do you wnat to say that murders are not a dam thing which usa government or citizens cares of. |
You're on a roll. I haven't seen this magnatude of self ownage in weeks! | manumiglani wrote: |
| S3nd K3ys wrote: | | I just spewed soda thru my nose! |
Now plz don't say that you did that through your a$$ too. |
Please stop flaming or the thread will be locked, and appropriate action taken against members found responsible.
I'm sure we are all capable of disagreeing without having to resort to impropriety.
Bypassing the word-filter amounts to a rule violation.
Also, please use the "edit" feature instead of double-posting.
