[/u]origin of the name
[b]christianity :believers in christ
islam:complete submission to the will of GOD
Believers
christianity:33%of the world population
islam:20%of the world population
concept of deity
christianity:most believe in trinity:three in one,father son and holy spirit
islam:God is one(allah)
status of jesus
christianity:considered the son of God,and worshiped as God
as a part of the trinity
islam:very highly respected as the second last prophet
death of jesus
christianity:he was crucified by roman army
islam:never been dead or crucified,sent to heaven alife
political state nowadays
christianity:most countries live in democracy
islam:most countries live under dictatorship(i wonder why)
BOTH AGREE IN
the second return of jesus
the life after death
heaven and hell(christians believe that salvation is by grace)(muslims believe that salvation is by work)
they both believe in other prophets who existed before jesus
to be continued...
tell me wut you think guys 
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[/u]origin of the name
[b]christianity :believers in christ
islam:complete submission to the will of GOD
Believers
christianity:33%of the world population
islam:20%of the world population
concept of deity
christianity:most believe in trinity:three in one,father son and holy spirit
islam:God is one(allah)
status of jesus
christianity:considered the son of God,and worshiped as God
as a part of the trinity
islam:very highly respected as the second last prophet
death of jesus
christianity:he was crucified by roman army
islam:never been dead or crucified,sent to heaven alife
political state nowadays
christianity:most countries live in democracy
islam:most countries live under dictatorship(i wonder why)
BOTH AGREE IN
the second return of jesus
the life after death
heaven and hell(christians believe that salvation is by grace)(muslims believe that salvation is by work)
they both believe in other prophets who existed before jesus
to be continued...
tell me wut you think guys |
i think good and i suggest that say Allah not "allah" it isn't so important but it would be better...And as a Muslim i have reely respect Maria,Jesus.They were the chosen people...the main differences beetween Islam and Christanity "Trinity" and "One GOD"...And the changes of Bible(Muslim think it's changed and most of Christians think Quran is a fake!)I find this a good comparison. I, however, am not sure as to why you put "I Wonder Why?" after you put the fact that many Islamic contries are controlled by a dicatatorship. Please answer this question, or revise your post, as it seems you are stereotyping Muslims.
Thanks,
--Chris
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christianity:most countries live in democracy
islam:most countries live under dictatorship(i wonder why) |
Up until a little over 200 years ago all Christan's lived in totalitarian monarchies that were just as bad the Islamic fundamentalist governments.according to christianity, jesus also went to the skies alive after his ressurection. I dont know much about islam, but i dont think their prophet ressurected as well
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I find this a good comparison. I, however, am not sure as to why you put "I Wonder Why?" after you put the fact that many Islamic contries are controlled by a dicatatorship. Please answer this question, or revise your post, as it seems you are stereotyping Muslims.
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He is a Muslim who is trying to imply that there is a vast conspiracy to keep Muslims down. Far from being bigoted against Muslims, he IS a Muslim.that was a horrible comparison of christianity and islam. and i'm neither, so i'm not particularly biased towards one. you should go read up and check your sources before you tell me that christians believe that jesus is a god and that christians believe there are three. the holy trinity is but their one "God" and that is three forms of him.
there's more but i won't continue.
p.s., most islamic countries are theocracies.
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| He is a Muslim who is trying to imply that there is a vast conspiracy to keep Muslims down. Far from being bigoted against Muslims, he IS a Muslim. |
WHAT??? I personly recon that if there is any1 on this site steriotyping it is you mike Muslims belive in bigtry LOL yep where all a bunch of ppl that like to strap a nitro glicerit bomb to our stomch and go BOOM
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| p.s., most islamic countries are theocracies. |
whats that mean | death_dealer wrote: |
| Quote: | | He is a Muslim who is trying to imply that there is a vast conspiracy to keep Muslims down. Far from being bigoted against Muslims, he IS a Muslim. |
WHAT??? I personly recon that if there is any1 on this site steriotyping it is you mike
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The original statement is of someone accusing the original poster, who is a Muslim, of being bigoted against Muslims. If I am wrong and you disagree with me so vehemently then you must be arguing that the original Muslim poster is a bigot.
I have only made statements about the Qur'an, but you will apparently always twist this into being statements about all Muslims, yet you are the one who is guilty of stereotyping non-Muslims with all sorts of really insulting conspiracy theories about us. Just because you happen to be a bigot doesn’t mean that all Muslims are bigots.
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| Muslims belive in bigtry |
I never said all Muslims are bigots, but there are more religious bigots in Islam than in other religions, that is what religious killings are -- the most extreme example of religious bigotry.
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LOL yep where all a bunch of ppl that like to strap a nitro glicerit bomb to our stomch and go BOOM
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I was practically the only American on your “just wanna know” thread who expressed no fear at all of Muslims in public places. You couldn’t be more wrong about me and you are quick to jump to absurdly false negative conclusions about me personally, but that is all part and parcel of religious bigotry.
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| Quote: | | p.s., most islamic countries are theocracies. |
whats that mean |
That means control by religious law and rule by clerics. | Quote: |
| I have only made statements about the Qur'an, but you will apparently always twist this into being statements about all Muslims, yet you are the one who is guilty of stereotyping non-Muslims with all sorts of really insulting conspiracy theories about us. Just because you happen to be a bigot doesn’t mean that all Muslims are bigots. |
I have no problems with non-muslims. All I was saying is I didn't realy understand what you said thats what the WHAT??? was for I continued couse I was saying what I interpertated of what you said hope you no what im sayin
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| I was practically the only American on your “just wanna know” thread who expressed no fear at all of Muslims in public places. |
And I appreciate that I have a certain respect for people like you
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| You couldn’t be more wrong about me and you are quick to jump to absurdly false negative conclusions about me personally, but that is all part and parcel of religious bigotry. |
Once again my own interpertation on what you said erlier
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| That means control by religious law and rule by clerics. |
thanx a lot I realy didn't mean to say anything about you that you have a particuler problem with usabout why i wrote(i wonder why) coz i really do wonder why,and i don't think it's islam's fault and the proof is that there was a time when muslims were really practicing democracy and their empire was so big,coz then they were true muslims,and by true muslims i don't mean bigots.they use to respect science and scientists..philosphy and philosiphers,arts and artists.they were practising right islam..coz islam is not just about bombing as most of ppl think.
and now i'll try to answer my own question..i think it's all muslims fault.goverments and ppl.our rulers want to stay thier forever and the only way to do that is to be a dictator!!and mostly it's ppl fault coz a dictator needs someone to stop him from being so..
one more thing i don't blame anyone who thinks that muslims are only bombers,i tried to put myself in your own shoes..only thing i am seeing in tvs is terrorists threatining innocent ppl with swords over thier necks...but i think i have an answer for that...bbut later guys
and about the tirinity..i know very well that they are not three persons and that the rule is three in one..i read about it alot already.
God is a single being existing simultaneously as three distinct persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
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muslims were really practicing democracy and their empire was so big,coz then they were true muslims,and by true muslims i don't mean bigots.they use to respect science and scientists..philosphy and philosiphers,arts and artists.they were practising right islam..
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That is because Mohammed was a very intelligent man. In the beginning Mohammed’s character played the biggest role shaping Muslims culture, but over time the memory of him faded and the Qur’an played a bigger and bigger role. While I can clearly see how the advancement of early Muslim culture flows from Mohammed’s character, I can’t see it coming at all from the Qur’an. Naturally over time the influence of Mohammed’s character on Islamic culture would wane and the influence of the book would grow.
Also, the Middle East had a head start, it benefited from the rise of the Roman Empire but did not suffer from it’s fall. Being at the cross-roads between East and West it was in the best position to benefit from the demise of the Roman Empire. If not for the Qur’an I think that the Middle East would have come to dominate the world the way Europe did instead.
I think that the murder of the Kalif, Mohammed's heir, and his entire family 200 years after Mohammed was the beginning of the end of Islam.i agree with you that prophet muhammed was a very intellegent character,he was one of the greatest characters in the entire historty,and according to michael hart ,the contemprory american scientist he is the greatest .and those were his words in his book:"the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular levels." Within a century, his followers controlled the largest empire in human history.
but it wasn't just his character,for your knowledge ,he was not educated"he doesn't know how to read or write"so,we have to admit that it was the quraan too that influenced his whole character..and according to his own words he said"i left in you a book,that if you truely understand and follow,you will never be lost"
and people who did so in islam history achieved victory,and i'll give you a recent example not only 200 years after muhammed's death it was 800 years and more,his name is Mehmed II and you can read about him more in this link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmed_II
i still insist that it's people fault not holy books,for christians for example donot achieved the contemprory true dimocracy by following the bible ,and they didn't live in dark agescenturies ago also coz they didn't follow the bible..the bible was always thier in thier hearts ,exactly like the quran to muslims.
see you | dodah wrote: |
i agree with you that prophet muhammed was a very intellegent character,he was one of the greatest characters in the entire historty,and according to michael hart ,the contemprory american scientist he is the greatest .and those were his words in his book:"the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular levels." Within a century, his followers controlled the largest empire in human history.
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From a religious point of view conquering a great empire through an aggressive campaign of war is anything *but* a sign of spirituality. You have to understand that here in the West the Crusades, the Conquests and the Holy Wars are the same kind of symbols, but not at all something that Westerners are even remotely proud of. It is a source of shame that forces white people to have to acknowledge that their ancestors were inhuman savages who were the furthest thing from spiritual, indeed they would probably be criminals today. So creating such a virulently aggressive religion that barbarically converted by the sword is a huge mark against Mohammed and anything but a plus.
If he had been educated at a young age and been able to read and knew more about the larger world, especial in terms of ecclesiastical knowledge, none of that would have been possible. Mohammed is very intelligent, but he was what we today would call a redneck, a hillbilly, not an educated person. That is the only way someone as intelligent as Mohammed could embrace something as emotionally and intellectually retarded as the Qur’an.
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| but it wasn't just his character,for your knowledge ,he was not educated"he doesn't know how to read or write"so,we have to admit that it was the quraan too that influenced his whole character.. |
At 40?! Hardly, your moral character is molded and set in childhood. Your ideological character is set by 30, which is why the hippies use to say never trust anyone over 30. By 40 you are pretty well set in your ways.
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i still insist that it's people fault not holy books,for christians for example donot achieved the contemprory true dimocracy by following the bible
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You acknowledge that theocracy is the culprit, but that is the Qur’an’s fault. Political appeals to religion are always an ugly twisted thing. Religion and politics are hopelessly intertwined in the Middle East because the Qur’an strongly encourages conservatism. It is not true that the Bible has played no role in politics in the West, it has always and still does play a profound role in conservative politics. By encouraging conservatism the Qur’an unavoidably encourages theocracy. Theocratic rule, the complete immersion of politics into religion, is the reason that democracy is nearly impossible in Islamic countries. | Quote: |
| If he had been educated at a young age and been able to read and knew more about the larger world, especial in terms of ecclesiastical knowledge, none of that would have been possible. Mohammed is very intelligent, but he was what we today would call a redneck, a hillbilly, not an educated person. That is the only way someone as intelligent as Mohammed could embrace something as emotionally and intellectually retarded as the Qur’an. |
1. you NEVER speek of the prophet like that again
2. Yes he did't know how to read or write he had men around him who knew. God made himilliterit so people don't say he was a poet or a medican ppl at him time called him insain yet if he truly was then islam will not be standing with the 3 know religions today
Also as metioned befor resaerch the Qur'an befor speeking about it and wait I mean do self interpertit becouse if you want to do that you have to be fluen fluent ARABIC!!!!i think that all you know about quraan are very limited informations,quran was not just about religion,or full of angry verses asyou claim and as i read before your replys in other topics,and it is definitly not mentally retarded it simply contains scientific facts that never been known that time by any human
and a very simple example..
[[/b]He has created both sexes, male and female from a drop of semen which has been ejected. (Qur'an, 53:45-46
Until fairly recently, it was thought that a baby's sex was determined by the mother's cells. Or at least, it was believed that the sex was determined by the male and female cells together. But, we are given different information in the Qur'an, where it is stated that masculinity or femininity is created out of "a drop of sperm which has been ejected."
another example in embryology
[/b][We] then formed the drop into a clot and formed the clot into a lump and formed the lump into bones and clothed the bones in flesh; and then brought him into being as another creature. Blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators! (Qur'an, 23:14)
Until very recently, embryologists assumed that the bones and muscles in an embryo developed at the same time. Yet, advanced microscopic research conducted by virtue of new technological developments has revealed that the revelation of the Qur'an is word for word correct.
[T]he shape of the skeleton determines the general appearance of the embryo in the bones stage during the 7th week; muscles do not develop at the same time but their development follows soon after. The muscles take their positions around the bones throughout the body and therefore clothe the bones. Thus, the muscles take their well known forms and structures… The stage of clothing with muscle occurs during the 8th week…86
and i actually don't understand what you mean by emotionally retarded!!
there is no comparison between the crusades and the islamic conquests
The origins of the crusades lie in developments in Western Europe earlier in the Middle Ages, as well as the deteriorating situation of the Byzantine Empire in the east. The breakdown of the Carolingian Empire in the later 9th century, combined with the relative stabilisation of local European borders after the Christianisation of the Vikings, Slavs, and Magyars, meant that there was an entire class of warriors who now had very little to do but fight amongst themselves and terrorise the peasant population. The Church tried to stem this violence with the Peace and Truce of God movements , Muslim presence in the Holy Land goes back to the initial Arab conquest of Palestine in the 7th century. This did not interfere much with pilgrimage to Christian holy sites or the security of monasteries and Christian communities in the Holy Land of Christendom, which is a proof that islam is not forced by sword,and that the main purpose of islamic conquests was to let people hear about islam,and what it calls for,then they have the freedom whether to be muslims or not,and look at the conditions of those countries before islam and after.it spreads culture,people were freed fom enslaveness and injustice,and they were free to practice the religion they choose.
i agree with you that politics should not be completely immensed in religion,but again because nowadays people practice religion in wrong ways.
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political state nowadays
christianity:most countries live in democracy
islam:most countries live under dictatorship(i wonder why)
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I would be interested in seeing the numbers for this. Also interested if you are implying that anything NOT democratic is a dictatorship.first i am aware of the exact definition of democracy:a political system in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who can elect people to represent them
and even many dictatorships claim to be democratic and often hold illiberal elections to garner legitimacy, both internally and internationally
and all they really practice is faked elections,and nonsene.they are only fooling themselves.
and you say you are interested in numbers so i found this for you..
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Freedom_House_world_map_2005.png
This map reflects the findings of Freedom House's 2006 survey Freedom in the World, concerning the state of world freedom in 2005.
where the green color=free(liberal democracy)
yellow=partly free
red=not free
now i think it's very obvious what i meant 
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and you say you are interested in numbers so i found this for you..
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Freedom_House_world_map_2005.png
This map reflects the findings of Freedom House's 2006 survey Freedom in the World, concerning the state of world freedom in 2005.
where the green color=free(liberal democracy)
yellow=partly free
red=not free
now i think it's very obvious what i meant |
Yeah, I found that link to, but the one posted was just the one map, not the whole article. That is a secondary map that is sort of... subjective.
I don't know who "freedom house" is, but at least give the whole link so that people can read and make up their own minds.
Link to wiki article - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forms_of_government
And as I was trying to point out, you are calling anything not a "democracy" a "dictatorship". As you can see by the article, These words are part of an entire spectrum of governments.
As an example of the subjectiveness of the Freedom Houses map, I kow a number of egyptians from school and THEY seem convinced they live in a democracy, even though FH says they are not free...Ask the Islamic Brotherhood if they think Egyptian elections are free. It is as if Jimmy Swaggart or Jim & Tammy Baker were in a position to win an election. There is something wrong with the education and moral discernment of religious conservatives. The Qur’an strongly encourages religious conservatism. Thus, the Qur’an is the source of the inability of the Middle East to democratize.
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| Ask the Islamic Brotherhood if they think Egyptian elections are free. It is as if Jimmy Swaggart or Jim & Tammy Baker were in a position to win an election. There is something wrong with the education and moral discernment of religious conservatives. The Qur’an strongly encourages religious conservatism. Thus, the Qur’an is the source of the inability of the Middle East to democratize. |
LOL! Jeez, did ya have to yell? 
Not sure what your point is, though. Doesn't the bible encourage religious conservatism? I think that is a somewhat simplistic response. But that seems to be the sort of thing americans look for these days. Sound bite politics. Quick fix answers. <sigh>. | HoboPelican wrote: |
LOL! Jeez, did ya have to yell?
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I like big fonts, but I only do it if there is extra space in the message that would otherwise be blank.
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Not sure what your point is, though. Doesn't the bible encourage religious conservatism?
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Jesus was a rebellious antiestablishment liberal. When NBC did a dramatized biography of Jesus in 2000, they took some liberties, but there was one scene that prompted my friend to sneer “Jim Morrison IS Jesus”, which turned out to be straight from the Gospels. There really was something very hippy about Jesus. The New Testament is overflowing with references to love and acts of compassion. But even if you look only at the Old Testament, 80% of Jews in America are liberal, so I completely disagree that any part of the Bible promotes conservatism.
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| I think that is a somewhat simplistic response. But that seems to be the sort of thing americans look for these days. Sound bite politics. Quick fix answers. <sigh>. |
I’m referring to theological conservatism vs. liberalism, not political. Only 30% of politically conservative Republicans are theologically conservative. Although it is a simple dichotomy, I think that you underestimate its power. | mike1reynolds wrote: |
| HoboPelican wrote: | Not sure what your point is, though. Doesn't the bible encourage religious conservatism?
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Jesus was a rebellious antiestablishment liberal. When NBC did a dramatized biography of Jesus in 2000, they took some liberties, but there was one scene that prompted my friend to sneer “Jim Morrison IS Jesus”, which turned out to be straight from the Gospels. There really was something very hippy about Jesus. The New Testament is overflowing with references to love and acts of compassion. But even if you look only at the Old Testament, 80% of Jews in America are liberal, so I completely disagree that any part of the Bible promotes conservatism.
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Not sure about the part where the gospels say JM is Jesus. But Yeah, Jesus bucked the system, but he did it with the knowledge that he was the son of God. I think the whole Bible lays out what you have to do to be saved. No sidesteping, no waffleing, no do the right thing. You do this (accept Christ as your saviour) and that is the only way you get in. It encourages you to do what the Rebel says, not to be a rebel yourself. We probably are walking a slippery slope with definitions, but I really see it as a rebelious text preaching a conservative acceptance.
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| HoboPelican wrote: | | I think that is a somewhat simplistic response. But that seems to be the sort of thing americans look for these days. Sound bite politics. Quick fix answers. <sigh>. |
I’m referring to theological conservatism vs. liberalism, not political. Only 30% of politically conservative Republicans are theologically conservative. Although it is a simple dichotomy, I think that you underestimate its power. |
Hey, I was questioning your use of democratic and dictatorship. That's all. If you want to restate with new terminology, that's cool. | HoboPelican wrote: |
Not sure about the part where the gospels say JM is Jesus. But Yeah, Jesus bucked the system, but he did it with the knowledge that he was the son of God. I think the whole Bible lays out what you have to do to be saved. No sidesteping, no waffleing, no do the right thing. You do this (accept Christ as your saviour) and that is the only way you get in. It encourages you to do what the Rebel says, not to be a rebel yourself. We probably are walking a slippery slope with definitions, but I really see it as a rebelious text preaching a conservative acceptance.
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In Matthew 7:21-23 Jesus says that many who think they are Christian and claim to preach the gospel will be rejected on Judgment Day. On the other hand there is the Good Samaritan, a disbeliever, who sets an example of moral conduct in the parable. You are only looking at conservative theology and rightly discounting it, but your assertions have no bearing at all on liberal theology.
As to Jesus acting like Jim Morrison, it is the part where the Sadducees or the Pharisees bring a condemned adulteress to him to try and trap him with his lily livered liberal ways. Before he answers he just doodles in the sand letting them hang there for awhile. I don’t remember the verse but that was the scene. The way that NBC produced it, it really did remind me of Jim Morrison too. I was thinking it before my friend said it.
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| Hey, I was questioning your use of democratic and dictatorship. That's all. If you want to restate with new terminology, that's cool. |
I am not the original poster who started the thread. He is a Muslim, which I obviously am not. | Quote: |
And as I was trying to point out, you are calling anything not a "democracy" a "dictatorship". As you can see by the article, These words are part of an entire spectrum of governments.
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as a matter of fact the link you pointed to was not the same one i was pointing to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracymine was
though,i have to admit that yours is much better,and than mine. now i am more aware of the theoritical foundations all over the world.
though i disagree that egypt is a semi presidental country,Egypt is in fact an authoritarian state and while both President and Prime Minister have a great deal of power(supposingly), the President, as a rule, can more or less choose the Prime Minister as he pleases) i also think that the only one who have the whole power is the president not even the prime minster
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As an example of the subjectiveness of the Freedom Houses map, I kow a number of egyptians from school and THEY seem convinced they live in a democracy, even though FH says they are not free...
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i think that those egyptions have never been to egypt,or that they are relatives to the president lol 
i am an egyption,and i can assure you that no egyption lives in egypt,belives for a moment that he lives in democracy[/quote]
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| Ask the Islamic Brotherhood if they think Egyptian elections are free |
as i mentioned before all egyptians are sure that elections are not free,not only islamic brotherhood,though i can get the hidden meaning,but have you heard about "tomorrow party"in egypt.
and by the way,i am a MUSLIM which is certainly not a shameful thing as you always apply....and it is a SHE not a HE lol
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| The Qur’an strongly encourages religious conservatism |
Plz tell me what the hell you mean buy that and plz point out where-_- , The many similarites in Islam and Christianity , all lead to subjective theories, much can't be proven.
As of Now, Islam has the highest conversion rate of people to its religion.In the next few it would propbably overtake christanity for the NO.1 spot.
I find both religions equally intriguing and ridiculous at the same time.
The teachings in both books are very biased and only bring upon a conservative point of view.
It focuses more on creating followers and worshippers rather then presenting itself as way of life.
What was provided by the topic starter was nothing more then world news. Back in the ages , countries like this have always had their differences.Comparing the 2 is like looking at 2 sides of coin.
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...i disagree that egypt is a semi presidental country,Egypt is in fact an authoritarian state and while both President and Prime Minister have a great deal of power(supposingly), the President, as a rule, can more or less choose the Prime Minister as he pleases) i also think that the only one who have the whole power is the president not even the prime minster
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I did further digging and it seems that I may have been misled by my friends. While they aren't relatives of Mubarak, they might be, uh, a little to close for objectivity. My bad. But just for my curiousity, how much power does your legislative branch have? I see the on paper it is only "consultative", but what is the reality? | death_dealer wrote: |
| Quote: | | The Qur’an strongly encourages religious conservatism |
Plz tell me what the hell you mean buy that and plz point out where |
The Qur’an sounds very much like the Hellfire and brimstone sermon of a conservative Southern preacher.
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As of Now, Islam has the highest conversion rate of people to its religion.In the next few it would propbably overtake christanity for the NO.1 spot.
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It has the highest birthrate, not the highest conversion rate.
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The teachings in both books are very biased and only bring upon a conservative point of view.
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This is simply not true of the Bible. There is a liberal take on the Bible which is actually by far the most accurate. But a liberal interpretation of the Qur’an is no more possible than a liberal interpretation of fundamentalist Christianity. | mike1reynolds wrote: |
| tyrant wrote: | As of Now, Islam has the highest conversion rate of people to its religion.In the next few it would propbably overtake christanity for the NO.1 spot.
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It has the highest birthrate, not the highest conversion rate.
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References, guys. Both of those statements should be easy to prove. Why not post where you get your info from for all of us. | Quote: |
| References, guys. Both of those statements should be easy to prove. Why not post where you get your info from for all of us. |
to true
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| The Qur’an sounds very much like the Hellfire and brimstone sermon of a conservative Southern preacher. |
esspesly on this you have yet to prove anything now don't give me the "logic" crap couse it aint
you speek as if you have reffrences etc show me
Also you have quoted 1 vearse befor and even then it was your own interpertation
futher more you said befor that you are trying to make a coerlition or something of religions. and islam can't be part of it couse it contredicts it or somthing well.......... where's the "logic" in worshiping budda and then worshiping God, Jesus etc | Quote: |
how much power does your legislative branch have? I see the on paper it is only "consultative", but what is the reality?
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the reality sucks lol..
There are three main Authorities in Egypt as stated by the Egyptian constitution :
The Government
The Parliament
The Judicial system
the parliment is supposed to be the legislative branch.it consists of 444 members elected by the people in a public election every 5 years(faked elections too) in addition to 10 members at most assigned by the president.
although there are over 15 political parties in Egypt. National party (Al Watany) is the ruling party currently holding the majority in the parliament,which inshort leads to the conclusion that the only legislative branch is again THE PRESIDENT!!
and to give you a living proof..
Until 2005 The constitution of Egypt put the rules of selecting a president every 6 years by selecting a candidate by the Egyptian parliament two thirds of members then holding a public referendum for people to vote for the selected candidate(which was always the same person ofcourse) but in May 2005 a new article in the constitution ( article 76 ) set the rules of electing a President by public vote for candidates who get support of 250 of elected members of parliament or other elected bodies. Also political parties can present a candidate with no need for the support of parliament members...but again this article was manipulated and disfigured by the national party to fit only them,so that after the sad departure of the current president(by death ofcourse )his son could take over lol(ofcourse he is a member in the national party)
and as for the The Judicial authority it is not controlled by the government as the constitution states. It is a self governing body to avoid being manipulated by the political powers and ensures that justice is not affected by the political streams. In fact Egyptian judges are well known for their integrity and justice..and that's why they are facing very hard times these days I rather liked the comparison... I don't know what the point of it was though? are we trying to decide which is better? personally I think you just find a religion that suits you and roll with it... if you can't find one, make one... the problem is that all religions tell us to go out and convert. MAKE YOUR RELIGION THE BEST!!! To go along with what Mike said about religious concervitism and fire and brimstone teachings... every religion has their own shun the non-beleivers thing... I think in the quran it says something like: anyone who doesn't beleive in this text is ignorant and you should not associate with them. The bible has similar things I don't remember where....
I think Christianity and Islam are somewhat related to each other, including Judaism. They have many things in common. Both also have a large number of followers. What I don't understand is that the members of this two religions seem to have a conflicting views.
I live in Mindanao, a part of the Philippines, where Christian and Muslim are living side by side. Most of the Muslims exhibit an agressive traits. But only few of them practiced violent ways (most of this people are uneducated). But because most of their terroristics deeds are well publisized it affect most of the Muslims. Many Christians are afraid of them but not to the point of tolerating the Islamic agressiveness. Yet still there are many communities in Mindanao where Christians and Muslims are living in harmony. 
