All throughout my life I have heard several versions of how the Earth was created. Out of all of them the two that seem the most correct are:
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| The Earth was created by the Big Bang, which is the scientific theory that the universe emerged from an enormously dense and hot state about 13.7 billion years ago. |
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| God created the Earth in 6 days and on the 7th God rested. |
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question is was the Big Bang part of Gods plan or did the Big Bang create God also!
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Did the Big Bang just happen or did God make it happen? My opinion:
God spoke the words and "BANG" it happened. 
my beliefs are that God created the earth, and all the scientific proof we have points to God creating it through the Big Bang theory.
1. Big Bang created the earth.
2. Evolution created humans.
3. Humans created God.
from Big Bang theory, I've a simple question... to ask
GOD first or SPACE first. ???
In Wiccan mythology; thr God and Goddess mate and the Goddess gives birth to the Universe. That's what I call a really big BIG BANG.
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1. Big Bang created the earth.
2. Evolution created humans.
3. Humans created God. |
In my opinion:
1. God started things
2. Big Bang created by god, created the universe, and thus, the earth
3. Evolution created humans.
4. Humans not created, but discovered God.
God is a way to understand things you do not understand.
God is a force to turn to, when you're over your head and need consolation.
God is a thing that cannot be explained by logic.
God is good.
Some things arn't supposed to be explained, in my opinion. We do not need to understand all thats good, we only need to learn how to act like it. | doomz wrote: |
from Big Bang theory, I've a simple question... to ask
GOD first or SPACE first. ??? |
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| In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. |
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1. Big Bang created the earth.
2. Evolution created humans.
3. Humans created God.
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I'm going to have to completely agree with this. I mean really, there is too much bad in the world for a god to exist. People created an omnipotent being so they can feel that they are not alone or that everything happens for a reason or that it's god's will or blah blah blah. And all those religious fanatics just keep going along with religions like sheep. BAHHH..... Oh well, that's life. 
look god is there dont need proof but there is like i mean look at the way you are created from a seed or look at your body..........etc..............etc.................etc
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All throughout my life I have heard several versions of how the Earth was created. Out of all of them the two that seem the most correct are:
1. | Quote: | | The Earth was created by the Big Bang, which is the scientific theory that the universe emerged from an enormously dense and hot state about 13.7 billion years ago. |
2. | Quote: | | God created the Earth in 6 days and on the 7th God rested. |
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The big question is was the Big Bang part of Gods plan or did the Big Bang create God also!
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Did the Big Bang just happen or did God make it happen? |
Well first of all, did the big bang really happen, I dought! 
But if it really did, then it happened by God's command!
Yet I don't believe in the big bang theory, I think it is too far fetched! 
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Well first of all, did the big bang really happen, I dought!
But if it really did, then it happened by God's command!
Yet I don't believe in the big bang theory, I think it is too far fetched! |
Yeah, I guess the idea that God created the world in 6 days is far more believable. 
Do you have any better idea how did it happen? If not, you should suppose it was Big Bang, at least until the scienitsts will find out something more about this. | Quote: |
Whong wrote:
Well first of all, did the big bang really happen, I dought!
But if it really did, then it happened by God's command!
Yet I don't believe in the big bang theory, I think it is too far fetched!
Yeah, I guess the idea that God created the world in 6 days is far more believable. Do you have any better idea how did it happen? If not, you should suppose it was Big Bang, at least until the scienitsts will find out something more about this |
I have a lesson for sience thay DON'T have all the answers but have almost tricked the hole world into believing thay do!!!!!!!!!!!!death_dealer wrote:
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look god is there dont need proof but there is like i mean look at the way you are created from a seed or look at your body..........etc..............etc.................etc
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Yeah, the example you just named, is backed by science. You should look into it. 
Nothing happens in a vacuum, there is always a preceding cause even when we don't know what that cause is. But it is a mistake to assume that some divine force made it, people use to think that thunder, lightening, rain, earthquakes, plegs, storms and many other things were created and controlled by the gods and later God. They were wrong, we now understand the causes of these things, now we know its not divine forces its simply nature.
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look god is there dont need proof but there is like i mean look at the way you are created from a seed or look at your body..........etc..............etc.................etc
Yeah, the example you just named, is backed by science. You should look into it. |
ofcouse thay where all backed by sinence but truth is that althought it was science that showed us this it was god that had created them it was god who had made you and I how we are
futher more it is true science is important to our knowlage that we are capable of obtaining today yet also science must show that it don't have all the answers. What I'm saying is that we all are blind followers of sience hay I'm intrested it manythings it has to offer, but it knows so much an still it knows not so much more
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| Nothing happens in a vacuum, there is always a preceding cause even when we don't know what that cause is. But it is a mistake to assume that some divine force made it, people use to think that thunder, lightening, rain, earthquakes, plegs, storms and many other things were created and controlled by the gods and later God. They were wrong, we now understand the causes of these things, now we know its not divine forces its simply nature. |
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I laugh at this. True that we now know that earthquakes happen couse and whatever happens couse. Truth said god can make these things happen in an instant yet god has allowed us to witness the couses becouse god made 1 thing make another happen. Also if you look research the saying's hadith if you will of Mohommed ( s.a.w.s) there you may find that longer then 1400 years ago he knew the way that a child is born the prosses it gose throught plz research thisI believe a combination of the two....that god controls science and created the big bang to make the earth and it solidified etc in 6 days and then god added the final touches himself....
1. God exists, has existed, and will exist.
2. God could have created the Big Bang, we really can't tell
3. The earth was created
4. Humans discovered God after He sent His Son.
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4. Humans discovered God after He sent His Son. |
what about all of the Old Testament? | Quote: |
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I laugh at this. True that we now know that earthquakes happen couse and whatever happens couse. Truth said god can make these things happen in an instant yet god has allowed us to witness the couses becouse god made 1 thing make another happen. |
You missed my point, when an earth quake struck an area people use to believe it was the action of God or the gods, it a person was struck by lightening people use to think it was cause God or the god of thunder made the lightening strike him. We now know the causes. Now when an earth quake happens, people don't think it was Gods doing, they know it was the movement of a fault.
Its not there fault, people back then didn't really have anything else to go on. But now we know the causes, and we know that they were mistaken for thinking that were mistaken for thinking that God caused the black death and that when Mount Vesuvius erupted that its was a natural geological event and not the doing of the gods. So learn from there mistakes, don;t assume anything is of a divine origin. | Quote: |
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I laugh at this. True that we now know that earthquakes happen couse and whatever happens couse. Truth said god can make these things happen in an instant yet god has allowed us to witness the couses becouse god made 1 thing make another happen.
You missed my point, when an earth quake struck an area people use to believe it was the action of God or the gods, it a person was struck by lightening people use to think it was cause God or the god of thunder made the lightening strike him. We now know the causes. Now when an earth quake happens, people don't think it was Gods doing, they know it was the movement of a fault.
Its not there fault, people back then didn't really have anything else to go on. But now we know the causes, and we know that they were mistaken for thinking that were mistaken for thinking that God caused the black death and that when Mount Vesuvius erupted that its was a natural geological event and not the doing of the gods. So learn from there mistakes, don;t assume anything is of a divine origin. |
ofcouse we know now the precider taken but still can you not say that it is the doing of god. Ofcoures, there is theroyies and facts yet eventhought thay still lead back to god
i.e the way you and I where bornMo it leads to the unknown, thats not the same as God.
Don't be so eager to point to the God when it come to the unknown.
Yet for the big bang to happen there must have been something that had atlest kept a trace of what came before. How can althis lead to something unknown ok ill give ya proof of god creating the univers
if u where to put 10 marbals in a bag that are numbered 1-10 the chance of them coming out 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 in that order is something lik 600/1 so how about the earth being where it is
by the end of the day thr proof is in the puding and the pudding in this case is u and I and every thing around us
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Yet for the big bang to happen there must have been something that had atlest kept a trace of what came before. How can althis lead to something unknown ok ill give ya proof of god creating the univers
if u where to put 10 marbals in a bag that are numbered 1-10 the chance of them coming out 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 in that order is something lik 600/1 so how about the earth being where it is
by the end of the day thr proof is in the puding and the pudding in this case is u and I and every thing around us |
The odds of winning the lottery are vary little yet people win. There are over a 100,000,000,000 stars in galaxy and over 100,000,000,000 galaxy's, thats 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars.
If the chances that a star will have planets is 1 in 100, the chances that that planets is the right distance in 1 in a 100, the chances of the planet being the right size is 1 in a 100, the chances of a planet forming life is 1 in 100 and the chances of intelligent life forming is 1 in a 100
that 100 to the 5th power, 10,000,000,000.
10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
10,000,000,000
Compare the numbers,
A lottery of 6 number, 1 through 39, that 39 to the 6th power, that make the odds of winning 1 in 137231996679. Yet people do win lottery's like that. Did God make them win? No, and theres nothing special about those who win such lottery's ether, enough people play, some one will win. Theres way more than enough stars and planets, just cause earth hit the lottery doesn't mean some God had a hand in it.I understand your point but hear you go
How did the Big bang come to be?
throught eneargy now I ain't no scientest or nothig just a 16 yr old but I have heard that enargy needs a source what was the source of the big bang
Also if there is no god that means no Adam no Eva witch will mean that man derived from ape of monkey or what ever it is, thereby concluding that we would be primitive couse we had learnt from a primitive being thereby saying that there is no way that man can advance to the statice that we are at now
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How did the Big bang come to be?
throught eneargy now I ain't no scientest or nothig just a 16 yr old but I have heard that enargy needs a source what was the source of the big bang |
I don't know, I know of a few theory's but those are just that theory's. I don't know what happen to Amelia Earhart ether not do I know were Jimmy Hoffa is buried nor do I know (or understand) why people what crap like Surviver and 24. I don't know allot of things and I;m not going to assume that some divine force is involved in anything of it.
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| Also if there is no god that means no Adam no Eva witch will mean that man derived from ape of monkey or what ever it is, thereby concluding that we would be primitive couse we had learnt from a primitive being thereby saying that there is no way that man can advance to the statice that we are at now |
First of all, we didn't evolve from ape or monkeys. Apes humans and monkeys evolve from a common ancestor.
Fallowing that logic, even if we came from Adam and Eve we would have never invented the wheel, the sword, the granary guns, the steam engine, the internal combustion engine, the jet engine, computers and the internet.Needless to say, I believe that God created the Earth and everything on it and around it. As far as the big bang theory, it's not impossible. God could have done it that way. In the bible it states that to God, one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.
I have an uncle with a Ph.D in Chemistry. We have had healthy debates on this very topic for years. Lately though, I've come to realize that perhaps there isn't a real debate regarding this topic at all.
The apostle Paul talked about seeing the world as "through a glass darkly." We all do. Science, it seems to me, is the language by which Mankind tries to understand the universe. Being man-made, it is flawed, needs revising now and again, and new revelations cast away old understandings. True Christianity is no different: I am not suggesting that Christ's teachings change, but our understanding of them grow, as new scholarship sheds new light on Scripture.
I think what is sad is that the words "Christian" and "science" have become, for so many, mutually exclusive. Early and notable scientists, like Sir Isaac Newton, Louis Pasteur, Samuel Morse, Sir Francis Bacon were Christian scholars AND scientists as well. How is it that we can't seem to be able marry these concepts together in our "modern" world? Just a little food for thought...
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I have an uncle with a Ph.D in Chemistry. We have had healthy debates on this very topic for years. Lately though, I've come to realize that perhaps there isn't a real debate regarding this topic at all.
The apostle Paul talked about seeing the world as "through a glass darkly." We all do. Science, it seems to me, is the language by which Mankind tries to understand the universe. Being man-made, it is flawed, needs revising now and again, and new revelations cast away old understandings. True Christianity is no different: I am not suggesting that Christ's teachings change, but our understanding of them grow, as new scholarship sheds new light on Scripture.
I think what is sad is that the words "Christian" and "science" have become, for so many, mutually exclusive. Early and notable scientists, like Sir Isaac Newton, Louis Pasteur, Samuel Morse, Sir Francis Bacon were Christian scholars AND scientists as well. How is it that we can't seem to be able marry these concepts together in our "modern" world? Just a little food for thought... |
Very well spoken. | livilou wrote: |
| In the bible it states that to God, one day is like a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. |
How is it possible? 
Is God weak in calculation?
If 1 day of God=1000 yrs of earth
Then how is it possible that
1000 yr. of God=1 day of earth?
One more question:-
Bible was written of humans, then why God used days and years of Heaven?It seems that people don’t believe that God created the world because there is no physical evidence that he did so. People trust science because we can plainly see and quantify what is discovered. It is difficult to believe that God is not the driving force behind the mechanisms of creation, because the evidence is only there for those mechanisms in and of themselves. However, isn’t it equally incredible that those mechanisms and the matter they act upon exist in and of themselves? Scientific explanations, at some point, come to a dead end. One cannot legitimately chastise believers in God’s hand in creation due to lack of concrete, physical proof of his action or existence when there is no concrete, physical proof of his inaction or nonexistence.
oh yeah, god made it happen, he was suffering from internal gasses from eating a very bad curry with kebab "meat", saucage and beans, black paella normally for tourists only, all-you-can-eat-for-1-euro-chinese and a bucket of Heineken. He was trying to use the potential power of the gasses as energy but he couldn't hold it any longer with the very well known consequences...
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| It seems that people don’t believe that God created the world because there is no physical evidence that he did so. |
Thats not true, people believe that God made the universe cause they believe in God and it doesn't matter what the evidence says they will continue to delude them selfs and believe in God. Hindus believe there God created the universe (yes God as in 1 God, the various Hindu gods are just different aspects of the same supreme bing), the ancient polytheists believes with out a don't there creation myths just as those who fallow different religions believe there creation myths despite the lack of evidence for the existence of there God or gods. | Quote: |
In my opinion:
1. God started things
2. Big Bang created by god, created the universe, and thus, the earth
3. Evolution created humans.
4. Humans not created, but discovered God.
God is a way to understand things you do not understand.
God is a force to turn to, when you're over your head and need consolation.
God is a thing that cannot be explained by logic.
God is good.
Some things arn't supposed to be explained, in my opinion. We do not need to understand all thats good, we only need to learn how to act like it. |
haha... amen to that.
i pray that people will come to know Him and experience Him eventually...
He is our comforter; strength; hope and peace. | Quote: |
| He is our comforter; strength; hope and peace. |
Yet throughout history over 99% of all who has lived has gotten comfort, hope, strength and peace with out God.
It makes you think, maybe all that is coming from you, you just giving god the credit.Well, to start, I would like to say that there is no possible way to know (for sure) that the universe, or life, was started by neither God no big bang. I assume no one actually witnessed the creation of the universe, so all these statements about the spawn of the universe are just theories.
Some may say that god could not create the universe nor humans because he never existed, but how would they know if god never existed in the first place? If he was just a "made up symbol" then why do many people believe so strongly in him?
If energy cannot be created nor destroyed, where did the energy (matter) come from? You can't have an explosion from nothing.
One things for certain, that the universe is definately older than 8000 years | webcola wrote: |
| If energy cannot be created nor destroyed, where did the energy (matter) come from? You can't have an explosion from nothing. |
This is only valid for our own universe. Before the big bang (if it happened, of course) the universe didn't exist and hence the current laws of nature didn't apply to that situation. | Bondings wrote: |
| webcola wrote: | | If energy cannot be created nor destroyed, where did the energy (matter) come from? You can't have an explosion from nothing. |
This is only valid for our own universe. Before the big bang (if it happened, of course) the universe didn't exist and hence the current laws of nature didn't apply to that situation. |
Then where did the big bang come from?
I know you can't answer it with a definate solution, but I'm just curious It could be, it might not be - there's insufficient evidence for either theory, so for the time being, I think we're at a stalemate.
Well webcola, a god doesn't solve the 'first cause' problem. If everything needs to be caused by something else, then it's the same for a god.
Secondly, some things are not caused by anything else. You can take a complete vacuum and randomly (not caused by anything in this universe that we know of) some very small particles may appear for a very small moment (Heisenberg uncertainty principle). Don't get me wrong, those energy changes/particles are measured and one of the fundaments of quantum physics. They do have a probability of happening, but not a cause.
Also, the big bang caused our universe, including time. Without this time, 'cause' as we know it, isn't necessarily needed.
There used to be a quite popular theory of a big crunch followed by a big bang, and this going on infinitely. The theory has been abandoned mostly though.
Then there are quite a lot of theories about our universe being some sort of vacuum fluctuation.
And then you have the string theory and universes/big bangs being created by collisions of strings or something similar. However this one is way too difficult for me. 
Anyway, as you see there are a lot of theories about the cause of the big bang and it will take a lot of time before enough evidence is found to really support one of them. | webcola wrote: |
| If energy cannot be created nor destroyed, where did the energy (matter) come from? You can't have an explosion from nothing. |
We don't really know that. As of our currant understanding of the laws of physics, no it can't but from Newton to Einstein, to quantum physics our understanding of the universe has changed and what was once believed possible later became imposable and what was considered imposable later became possible.
It can be possible that under certain conditions energy can be created. Not out of nothing of course but under certain conditions more energy comes out than goes in.
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| If he was just a "made up symbol" then why do many people believe so strongly in him? |
Why do Hindus believe in there God so strongly, why do pagans believe in there gods so strongly? Why do people believe that the color of your skin, hair, eyes and sexual orientation determins how god of a person you are? People will beleve anything with a passion no matter what it is.
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| And then you have the string theory and universes/big bangs being created by collisions of strings or something similar. However this one is way too difficult for me. |
I beleve what you mean is a colition of two branes not strings.I just believe what the Bible says!
I don't know how God created the world, but I believe He did create the world!
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| Bondings wrote: | | And then you have the string theory and universes/big bangs being created by collisions of strings or something similar. However this one is way too difficult for me. |
I beleve what you mean is a colition of two branes not strings. |
Probably, yes. Isn't it that a string is a one-dimensional brane?I cant say I agree with the chaos theory, that the big bang "just happend"
But I dont agree with the seven day schedual either.
I'd have to think that something or someone is out there pulling some strings around. How it all started is might only be completely understood by him/her/them/it.
A wise man once said...."The first step to true knowledge is realizing that you have none."
God was there, and created the earth in 6 days. However, the bible does not specify the length of one day as God sees it. Since He is omnipotent, and omniscient(spelling?) he could have one day be as long as he wants. But I believe that He created the Universe and what we call the Big Bang Theory is what he used to make it. Maybe it was just an accident, maybe He heard a funny joke, slapped his knee, and poof the universe was made.
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| God was there, and created the earth in 6 days. However, the bible does not specify the length of one day as God sees it. Since He is omnipotent, and omniscient(spelling?) he could have one day be as long as he wants. But I believe that He created the Universe and what we call the Big Bang Theory is what he used to make it. Maybe it was just an accident, maybe He heard a funny joke, slapped his knee, and poof the universe was made. |
Excuse me, but God intended to create the world! It wasn't any mistake!
KJV Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
It doesn't say that the earth was created, it says that God created it, so in that sense it is not a mistake!
I don't believe the Big bang theory, but I don't really know what the truth about this!
Well, when I get to heaven I'll ask God and He will for sure tell me how did He do it! | nam_siddharth wrote: |
1. Big Bang created the earth.
2. Evolution created humans.
3. Humans created God. |
100% Behind you, its human nature to try and understand what we can't so we create things that aren’t real, and can't be explained to cover up our own stupidity of what we can't explain in the first place, hence:
Can't explain how the world was created, so we create God, who did, and down the line its turned into a religion by people fulfilling "the prophecy" | Simulator wrote: |
| nam_siddharth wrote: | 1. Big Bang created the earth.
2. Evolution created humans.
3. Humans created God. |
100% Behind you, its human nature to try and understand what we can't so we create things that aren’t real, and can't be explained to cover up our own stupidity of what we can't explain in the first place, hence:
Can't explain how the world was created, so we create God, who did, and down the line its turned into a religion by people fulfilling "the prophecy" |
O boy, I'm 100% against you, how in the world do you think that the big bang happened, I don't even believe that!
W people think about God because we inside ourselves know that there is a stronger power ruling this earth! That power is God!
Have you considered what will happen to you/where will you be after you have died! Where do you think you'll be, or is it just over, that you are no more in existance!
Life is in itself supernatural because we don't have the power to give life, only God has. Now you may want to say that by having sex we create new life, but it is only by God's protection and care that the tzygoot becomes into a baby. And then you may state about cloning, well first of all that is not right because we have no right to go fiddling our little dirty hands with the things that are in God's hands!
So life is given by God who also gave us this World to take care! | Quote: |
| W people think about God because we inside ourselves know that there is a stronger power ruling this earth! That power is God! |
Is that why? Or are you looking to fill a hole in your life with mythology?
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| Have you considered what will happen to you/where will you be after you have died! Where do you think you'll be, or is it just over, that you are no more in existance! |
We just die, there is nothing after death, this life is the only one there is and when the our body's stop working we no longer exist. The same goes for you and everything other living thing in the universe.
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| Life is in itself supernatural |
Only if you believe God created life, if you don't, there nothing super about it.
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| but it is only by God's protection and care that the tzygoot becomes into a baby. |
Do you know anything about biology? | Whong wrote: |
| Simulator wrote: | | nam_siddharth wrote: | 1. Big Bang created the earth.
2. Evolution created humans.
3. Humans created God. |
100% Behind you, its human nature to try and understand what we can't so we create things that aren’t real, and can't be explained to cover up our own stupidity of what we can't explain in the first place, hence:
Can't explain how the world was created, so we create God, who did, and down the line its turned into a religion by people fulfilling "the prophecy" |
O boy, I'm 100% against you, how in the world do you think that the big bang happened, I don't even believe that!
W people think about God because we inside ourselves know that there is a stronger power ruling this earth! That power is God!
Have you considered what will happen to you/where will you be after you have died! Where do you think you'll be, or is it just over, that you are no more in existance!
Life is in itself supernatural because we don't have the power to give life, only God has. Now you may want to say that by having sex we create new life, but it is only by God's protection and care that the tzygoot becomes into a baby. And then you may state about cloning, well first of all that is not right because we have no right to go fiddling our little dirty hands with the things that are in God's hands!
So life is given by God who also gave us this World to take care! |
I'm with Simulator and nam_siddharth on this one. It is proven that the universe is expanding, so for it to expand it surely must of started at one specific point in time in space.
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| Life is in itself supernatural because we don't have the power to give life, only God has. |
I really have a problem understanding this point of view. How does a atheist have offspring if only "god" can create it ? Atheists' don't believe in "god" so the only other way to look at it is that the atheist also has the "power to give life gave", not just god.
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| how in the world do you think that the big bang happened, I don't even believe that! |
The "Big Bang" explanation is not just a theory, there is actual scientific prove that one moment in time caused the universe to be created, whereas I see no evidence that one person, god, created a world in which we live in. If god created everything then he also created bad things like the devil (if there is such a thing), drugs, violence, etc. This would also mean that god created things that some selective people don't like such as one's sexuality, ones feelings, etc.
http://www.kopernik.org/images/archive/univage.htm | Whong wrote: |
O boy, I'm 100% against you, how in the world do you think that the big bang happened, I don't even believe that!
W people think about God because we inside ourselves know that there is a stronger power ruling this earth! That power is God!
Have you considered what will happen to you/where will you be after you have died! Where do you think you'll be, or is it just over, that you are no more in existance!
Life is in itself supernatural because we don't have the power to give life, only God has. Now you may want to say that by having sex we create new life, but it is only by God's protection and care that the tzygoot becomes into a baby. And then you may state about cloning, well first of all that is not right because we have no right to go fiddling our little dirty hands with the things that are in God's hands!
So life is given by God who also gave us this World to take care! |
No offence, but you sound like a person who is lost in a world that you can’t understand, so for answers you turn to faith, if you believe that God is the creator of all, then who created God? And what created the creator of God? And the exact same questions can be asked of science but, not only do we know that the big bang happened, we also know, though the wonders of dark matter, we can pinpoint the exact location in the universe where it happened, these are forms of absolutes and the Bible or the Torah etc, are forms of assumptions, and yes the story of creation was meant to be written by Moses but does he not die in the last book that he writes?KJV 1 Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
In the eyes of the world we believers of Christ look fools to you who are of this world. I know that I can't change the ways in which you think, but I beg the Lord my God who has had mercy on me to have mercy on you too!
God is the only One who can change the way you think! | Whong wrote: |
| God is the only One who can change the way you think! |
Well then why would he let me think that he is part of the world’s biggest scam? | Quote: |
| God is the only One who can change the way you think! |
If God wonts us to believe in him, why fill the would full of evidence that he didn't have anything to do with the universe of live?
And don't say to test us, hes supposed to be oall knowing.Hay whong giving verses from the bible aint atcheving anything
but im with you God created the earth
God aint just a human thought if there was no god then over the millions mybe billions of yrs that the perfect universal balance hase been in somthing would happen and would have distroyed the earth yrs ago
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| God aint just a human thought if there was no god then over the millions mybe billions of yrs that the perfect universal balance hase been in somthing would happen and would have distroyed the earth yrs ago |
And what makes you think that? The dinosaurs live for hundreds of millions of years before they were wiped out. What makes you think we won't last as long? | The Conspirator wrote: |
| death_dealer wrote: | | God aint just a human thought if there was no god then over the millions mybe billions of yrs that the perfect universal balance hase been in somthing would happen and would have distroyed the earth yrs ago |
And what makes you think that? The dinosaurs live for hundreds of millions of years before they were wiped out. What makes you think we won't last as long? |
Because we in our selves are really so weak. If something would hapen in the space, we have absolutely no control over that! If an asteroid would come and hit the earth and the earth would move closer to the sun. We would soon be scorched by the sun!
We have very litle control over anything, the only thing that we can't control atleast a bit is ourselves. You can't control anyone else! I think at one point of time in earth, there was extreme crime and evil, solution? god. People created gOD to control things. That way if you do something bad, such as murder, you know you will go to hell, or if you're a good person, you will go to heaven, so you have something to look foward. Without this 'faith' people would simply kill and say, "Who cares?! I'm just going to die and nothing is gonna happen!" Basically, people created god so this doesn't happen. BUT, we now live in an advanced, civilized society, where we don't need that faith. We now have law enforcement, and a good life to look foward to.
It should be like this, we do something bad, we go to jail, we do something good and we are awarded with either money or happiness. Instead, we do something bad, we go to jail, and we THINK we will go to hell, or vice versa.
We live in an advanced society where science speaks the truth! We don't need religion or god to control ourselves from crime and other things!!!!
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| And what makes you think that? The dinosaurs live for hundreds of millions of years before they were wiped out. What makes you think we won't last as long? |
If god did create dinosores 1st then desimated them what you think it was for can you imagen living with T-rex tigers and lions are bad enough | Hobbit wrote: |
I think at one point of time in earth, there was extreme crime and evil, solution? god. People created gOD to control things. That way if you do something bad, such as murder, you know you will go to hell, or if you're a good person, you will go to heaven, so you have something to look foward. Without this 'faith' people would simply kill and say, "Who cares?! I'm just going to die and nothing is gonna happen!" Basically, people created god so this doesn't happen. BUT, we now live in an advanced, civilized society, where we don't need that faith. We now have law enforcement, and a good life to look foward to.
It should be like this, we do something bad, we go to jail, we do something good and we are awarded with either money or happiness. Instead, we do something bad, we go to jail, and we THINK we will go to hell, or vice versa.
We live in an advanced society where science speaks the truth! We don't need religion or god to control ourselves from crime and other things!!!! |
That is complete crap. First of all gods were invented as explanations for natural events, secondly the Jeudo/Christan and Muslim God was invented to control and manipulate people for the gain of a very few.
But mostly, the idea that morality come from some idiot god only exists to demons and marginalise atheists. Al atheists (except mentally ill ones) have morels, I have morels and I don;t believe in god, karma or an afterlife, all atheists know killing is wrong. it is theists that has historically been less morel, just think about all the people who has killed in the name of God. The reason why is simple, religion give them a morel loop hole that can justify murder. | Quote: |
That is complete crap. First of all gods were invented as explanations for natural events, secondly the Jeudo/Christan and Muslim God was invented to control and manipulate people for the gain of a very few.
But mostly, the idea that morality come from some idiot god only exists to demons and marginalise atheists. Al atheists (except mentally ill ones) have morels, I have morels and I don;t believe in god, karma or an afterlife, all atheists know killing is wrong. it is theists that has historically been less morel, just think about all the people who has killed in the name of God. The reason why is simple, religion give them a morel loop hole that can justify murder. |
excuse me but killing for the sake of god in islam is not going out and doing the things that you see on the news. It's more like what goes on in chechena and the only reason thats happening is becouse Russha wanted to invade it so muslims are fighting in self defence
ancent Islamic wars where also fought for the sake of god to defened where the muslims reached or for help to other countrys such as spain etc...You missed my point by a long way. My point was that theists kill more than atheists cause theists use god and religion as an excuse. You know, like in the old testament, the crusades, the witch trials of Europe, the inquisition and yes modern day fundamentalist Muslim militant extremists.
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| DeFwh wrote: | All throughout my life I have heard several versions of how the Earth was created. Out of all of them the two that seem the most correct are:
1. | Quote: | | The Earth was created by the Big Bang, which is the scientific theory that the universe emerged from an enormously dense and hot state about 13.7 billion years ago. |
2. | Quote: | | God created the Earth in 6 days and on the 7th God rested. |
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The big question is was the Big Bang part of Gods plan or did the Big Bang create God also!
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Did the Big Bang just happen or did God make it happen? |
Well first of all, did the big bang really happen, I dought!
But if it really did, then it happened by God's command!
Yet I don't believe in the big bang theory, I think it is too far fetched! |
How is this too farfetched? How would you explain it? did God create it? Its the only logical explanation - the only things thats missing is an energy source (even that can be explained) God could have created the Big Bang! | Spe_eddy wrote: |
| Whong wrote: | | DeFwh wrote: | All throughout my life I have heard several versions of how the Earth was created. Out of all of them the two that seem the most correct are:
1. | Quote: | | The Earth was created by the Big Bang, which is the scientific theory that the universe emerged from an enormously dense and hot state about 13.7 billion years ago. |
2. | Quote: | | God created the Earth in 6 days and on the 7th God rested. |
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The big question is was the Big Bang part of Gods plan or did the Big Bang create God also!
Big Bang Article
Religous Article
Did the Big Bang just happen or did God make it happen? |
Well first of all, did the big bang really happen, I dought!
But if it really did, then it happened by God's command!
Yet I don't believe in the big bang theory, I think it is too far fetched! |
How is this too farfetched? How would you explain it? did God create it? Its the only logical explanation - the only things thats missing is an energy source (even that can be explained) God could have created the Big Bang! |
God Himself is the energy source, He doesn't need to make the big bang, I don't really know did it happen or not, but one day I will, God willing! But you belief hang in one very highly implausible thing, the existence of god and not just any God, the Christan God. Who doesn't exist.
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| But you belief hang in one very highly implausible thing, the existence of god and not just any God, the Christan God. Who doesn't exist. |
The Lord God Almighty exists, and no one can prove he doesn't!
The best proof of God's existance is the Jewish nation, you can read from the Bible and it tells all what has happened to them! All the persicution and hate and all of that! The war of Gogh is near, remember this! The Lord God is, was and will always be! | The Conspirator wrote: |
| But you belief hang in one very highly implausible thing, the existence of god and not just any God, the Christan God. Who doesn't exist. |
It's just as implausible as His unexistence, because you could not prove that He doesn't exist, so please don't be so certain about it
And I don't know why do you differentiate so much the Christian God from other Gods and set them against one another. To me, different forms of religious beliefs are just different forms of praising the same God, and every religion is right if it leads human to this God, in a greater of lesser degree. However, I personally believe, that this God has the most completely fulfilled His message to us by sending here His Son, Jesus. and i think Jesus is not against other religions, Jesus made all of them complete... | the_mariska wrote: |
| The Conspirator wrote: | | But you belief hang in one very highly implausible thing, the existence of god and not just any God, the Christan God. Who doesn't exist. |
It's just as implausible as His unexistence, because you could not prove that He doesn't exist, so please don't be so certain about it
And I don't know why do you differentiate so much the Christian God from other Gods and set them against one another. To me, different forms of religious beliefs are just different forms of praising the same God, and every religion is right if it leads human to this God, in a greater of lesser degree. However, I personally believe, that this God has the most completely fulfilled His message to us by sending here His Son, Jesus. and i think Jesus is not against other religions, Jesus made all of them complete... |
I think that should prove an answer to many questions. There is proof of all the similarities between different religions, especially two the currently hate each other Christianity and Islam, well hate as I can see it. I know there are probably many people who don't really care what religion one person is, just as long as they don't try to force their opinion on you. | Whong wrote: |
| The Lord God Almighty exists, and no one can prove he doesn't! |
But the burden of proof is on you, If I said there was a 6 foot tall pink rabit in my living room, the burden of proof would be on me to prove its there. If I can't provode real evadence that a 6 foot tall pink rabit is in my living room no one would beleve me and no one should.
The burden of proof is on you and you have no evadence let allone prof that you God exists.
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| The best proof of God's existance is the Jewish nation, you can read from the Bible and it tells all what has happened to them! All the persicution and hate and all of that! The war of Gogh is near, remember this! The Lord God is, was and will always be! |
The bible is not a history book, it is a religious text and is unreliable as a history book. Plus the suffering of the Jewish people (up until the idiot Romans) was not unique to them, such suffering was common in those eras.
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| It's just as implausible as His unexistence, because you could not prove that He doesn't exist, so please don't be so certain about it |
Wrong, as I've said, theists have the burden of proof just as I would have to prove that a 6 foot tall pink rabbit was in my living room. If I can't prove it and you can't disprove it, its far more plausible that it was never there. I can't dis prove God but you can't prove God thus it is fare more plausible that there is no God.
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| And I don't know why do you differentiate so much the Christian God from other Gods and set them against one another. To me, different forms of religious beliefs are just different forms of praising the same God, and every religion is right if it leads human to this God, in a greater of lesser degree. However, I personally believe, that this God has the most completely fulfilled His message to us by sending here His Son, Jesus. and i think Jesus is not against other religions, Jesus made all of them complete... |
I'm making a point, if you believe that Zuse made humanity, than not only are you assuming that a God made humanity but a specific god, Ra Thore and any other god would be just as likely. | Arnor wrote: |
| nam_siddharth wrote: | 1. Big Bang created the earth.
2. Evolution created humans.
3. Humans created God. |
In my opinion:
1. God started things
2. Big Bang created by god, created the universe, and thus, the earth
3. Evolution created humans.
4. Humans not created, but discovered God.
God is a way to understand things you do not understand.
God is a force to turn to, when you're over your head and need consolation.
God is a thing that cannot be explained by logic.
God is good.
Some things arn't supposed to be explained, in my opinion. We do not need to understand all thats good, we only need to learn how to act like it. |
First of all, do u believe God exists?
If yes, This BigBang is a part of his grand design.
Otherwise,
God is a part of human's grand design!
