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kazza
Any graphic designers out there who would care to post their views on this relatively new area of discussion? I'm a student trying to get my foot into the industry but don't really understand much about it.
evilryu530
what year are you in college? what are your strengths? drawing? computer graphics? animation? web? graphic design has many avenues. you can be a graphic designer in general, but there is web designers, animators, production artists, creative designers, industrial designers, artists, etc...where you do see yourelf working in the future? ad agency? design firm? marketing firm? animation studio? video game company? etc.....right now the industry is very very saturated with designers, it's not such a good time to jump on board. print designers have it the hardest. web designers are still wanted. industrial designers are too. you can also mix it up alittle bit to have better job security, like looking into landscape architecture, or mechanical designer, etc....but you have to find out what you want to do first...
kazza
I've still got a year in uni but I'm thinking about doing some casual/part-time work atm. Well, I'm sorta interested in many fields like print, web, video and motion graphics/animation, special effects - I'm a bit of an everything person really.

You think its a good idea to specialise in a lot of things just for job security? I was talking to a digital media artist the other day and he said that its a good idea to specialise in one field rather than many fields but he didn't really give me a reason.

Anyways, thanks for ur reply evilryu530!
engeland
In Malaysia graphic design is saturated with students. But most of them end up jobless after graduation. It really depends where you are actually. If you're good, you should try headin for a place where art is really appreciated .lol. i wanted to do graphic design at first, but lookin at the job prospects, i'd better go for somethin more wanted. prolly architecture.
osbits
I heard that there is a industry called CG.I want to jump into it.
I do not understand drawing,and fond of computer technology.I want to creat wonderfull animations,any suggestion?
engeland
you mean the website? cgsociety.org
kazza
I don't think its essential to draw realistically. Since CG animations require heaps of people to create, different people would specialise in different fields and contribute differently in the process of making CG films. For example, if your job is to be involved in the art department where they try to visualise the appearance of the characters, obviously you'll need to have good drawing skills. But if you like working on the computer, then there are different roles you can be involved in eg, lighting and texture artists who are responsible for creating that on the characters which make them look real. There are also modellers, which I think need to have a good understanding of 3D objects and perspective. Uno, art is not just art. There is a basic understanding of science needed to create it, even in painting and drawing.
evilryu530
i disagree, i think you need to have core fundamentals if you want to get into computer graphics and animation. although most of the production work is done on the computer, artists need to draw conceptual ideas, learn the basics of perspective, know how to draw the human body, different poses, light and shadow, the movement of muscles, etc., if you are really serious about jumping into cg, research at cgsociety website. maybe even take a field trip to a cg company if you can.
engeland
well sometimes in comes in a person. They don't really have to learn all those things... Wink
kazoe
Fundamentals in drawing is VERY important unless you're going in an almost 100% concept only or technical stuff like webdesigning, layouting, logos, etc. I'm a graphic designer and I specialize in stage designing and prints, but that does not mean that i do not have to illustrate. Though illustration in graphic arts is not that heavy, unless you're required to do some vectors in this ad or so. In our curriculum when I took my BFA, its a requirement to have drawing fundamentals, anatomy and color theory though it not directly related to advertising and all. But still, its an important factor when doing arts.

Because primarily talent in drawing is what you should have, even a bit of it. Its important in CG and even 3d because you cannot let others visualize what do you want on your creature if you cant even show them in paper. Almost everyone in this field should have a background in drawing proper anatomy before bending or twising it into another structure.
kazoe
kazza wrote:

You think its a good idea to specialise in a lot of things just for job security? I was talking to a digital media artist the other day and he said that its a good idea to specialise in one field rather than many fields but he didn't really give me a reason.


Oh, I forgot to answer this. Smile One good reason on having a distinct specialization is that that's where you'll be more recognize and probably a more higher chance of having a job. Because employers like to look at what the best thing a person can do rather that have a jack of all trades but does not reach their cut. Because they are also looking for specific stuff they want the moment and they'll get attracted to a person that is best qualified for their specific position, of course.

Look on the area you think you're better than the rest of what you can do and hone it. Its not just to have a better chance but its also about doing your best in this particular field in compare to the rest.
kazza
Hey thanx for ur advice Kazoe, really helped me evaluate on myself and decide what I should do (which will probably have nothing to do with drawing). Though I wish I had the skill to draw.
henrygl
hi all,

i was wondering what money you could make as a full time graphic designer.

thanks,
henry
haris3
Do any of you know some good art school in the midwest except chicago?
Can seem to find anything good rather than community college. Already spent 3years there.
engeland
henrygl wrote:
hi all,

i was wondering what money you could make as a full time graphic designer.

thanks,
henry


not much unless your in a firm which produces very good games. Normally graphic designers do a degree in something else. Maybe building related or maybe IT.. Wink
alja
Hi, I am doing, Grafic Design, Web Design... and to the question, if you need to know how to draw: It definitely helps, but if you dont know and have a good eye for design... very good computer skills, or willing to get them... than thats enough to be a grafic designer (for print media) or web designer... and besides that, I beleive whatever you like to do... really like to do ... you will be good at and it does not matter, whatever people say... wheter you can make money or there are not much jobs out there... if you like to do it... you are willing to learn and you will be good at it too!
JoeFriday
here's my font of information based on my 18 years experience as a graphic designer

study studio art if possible.. ie, painting, sculpting, drawing, etc... it will teach you color skills and composition.. this is very important stuff, even if you plan to do all your work on a computer.. you simply cannot be a good designer or artist without this skill.. and while it might be a skill you already are good at, understanding the principals behind it will make you even better

absolutely get a degree, even if it's a technical 2-year degree.. employers these days seem to discard any resumes that don't have that, unless the included work samples are absolutely stunning (and chances are yours won't be.. no offense)

based on what I see in job listings lately, the most common job openings are for web-design.. this is a very different from designing printed pieces (catalogs, brochures, etc).. I personally love designing for print, but hate designing for the internet.. just a personal preference

as for wages.. it depends on where you live, of course.. but nationally, I'd say starting wages for graphic artists is around $30k.. for senior designers with more than 5 years experience (and usually they prefer "ad agency experience" specifically) you might get up in the $50-60k range.. but that's about where it tops out.. beyond that, you need to make the jump into 'creative director' positions.. and competition gets really tough there

tips on improving your skills and portfolio: read creative magazines constantly.. I particularly recommend "Communication Arts".. it's very expensive, but every issue is overflowing with excellent work from other designers.. also pay attention to billboards, tv ads, magazine ads, and packaging for products you buy (that was my favorite type of work to do)

it's a very competitive world in the design industry.. and you'll rub elbows with all types of people.. the bohemian artsy types, party animals, marketing suits, etc.. it requires a lot of time and energy to stay in the business.. but depending on where you work, it can be a lot of fun
cvkien
Graphic design? i never study it ever but i design banner, website, logo, broucher and more for company... I think a graphic designer need to be creative and get more idea... sometime i'll short of idea but i'll get rest and watch tv, advertisement --- to guide me think more widely. If you don't have the talent, then learn it. Watch more advertisement, listen to more music and play more game and also don't stop design. Try your 1st draft, then modify it until you like it. Experience is important. I'm now study psychology, so creativity own by everybody. But you just need to "take" it out and train it. Don't give up and you'll success... good luck.
KhoaN
Just out of curiosity, I'm looking to go into the Marketing and Advertising industry. I'm double majoring now in Economics and Communications with possibly a minor in Visual Arts. Do you have any tips for going into the marketing industry or the advertising industry. I'm looking to delve a little into the visual arts aspect of it, but not so much. I have done some research around my school, but it seems that the majority of my university is saturated with medical students so it's rather difficult to recieve any real world advice.
JoeFriday
to break into the marketing and advertising world, I'd recommend starting out with a design studio position.. an internship would be ideal as it could help you get your foot in the door and gain some experience while you're still in school

generally a smaller design studio is best, as you'll be treated more as 'part of the gang' rather than a go-fer or file clerk.. on the other hand, larger companies might have more impressive and recognizable clients, but it's a lot less likely you'll be working on those projects

the pay might not be impressive at first, but it's the experience you're after.. once you get in, ask a lot of questions and pay attention to what the designers are doing and more importantly, find out WHY.. that's where the marketing part comes in

with about 3 years experience there, you'll have a lot of opportunities with other companies, both in design and marketing.. the two often go hand in hand
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