wow, PS3 are so desperate that they ar ecopying The Revolution then.(yes im well are are its called the Wii)
so, they have nintendo game designers, nintendo functions in the console, and have probably ripped x-box somewhere as well.
I feel this sums it up:
http://ps3remote.ytmnsfw.com/
what wont they steel? You know what I think? That post is now going into Forum Fun!
Either way, Sony is getting alot of criticism about this, but the PS3 is already going to be super powerful, and the motion capture technology was just something that Sony wanted to get in on. Sure, it may be stealing, but what if we want to play some cool motion capture games on the PS3? Will MGS4 use this motion capture for some cool new feature? We'll just have to wait and see.
PS3 is doomed, failed. Nohting but unorgional copy cats.
give me good old fashioned nintendo anyday, at least they have their own ideas.
x-box are just massive, what can i say, door stops. foot rests, maybe console, if you have room for it.
Revolution, sorted.
I was planning on buying one but then it hit me how every single playstation product has been an incredibly fragile peice of hardware and, while I may be ready to shell out $700 for what appears to be an awesome system, I'm not ready to do it twice.
My opinion on the Laser-Wireless controller fun? Corporate espionage is a big deal but hey, if it's for an immersive experience, I'm all for it! Don't hate Sony for stealing an idea (let he who is without sin cast the first stone kinda, rite?) Hate them for ALWAYS making a must-have smaller version of their console just as your bulky oversized one is starting to get dusty.
Ok this is kinda ranty but if I see enough "My PS3 Is Broke What Do I Do????????????????????????????????" posts online then I'll know I'm better off not buying.
well we can either believe the two or three people who hate sony, or we can look at the statistics, and they say that sonys ps2 is the most popular council game to ever come out on the market.
Lets face it, is copying really copying if you improve on the design and make a council that kicks the shit out of the competition? plus a lot of the ps3's features are new to the gaming world so you can't say they didn't throw in their own styles and ideas.
Also your ps2 broke? it might help if you actually took care of it, you know the normal stuff like not kicking it, throwing the control at it when the AI owns your sorry ass, oh yeah and properly shutting the cd drive door instead of kicking it or shoving it shut.
If you say that you have not done any of the above at least once to your council then your lieing though your rotting teeth 
I think that the PS3 is priced way too high to succeed. The price was announced at E3: $499 for 20 GB HDD version and $599 for 60 GB HDD version. Only hardcore gamers are going to get one.
Plus, the PS3 is copying from Microsoft and Nintendo. They copied Microsoft's pricing model (two different versions) and they copied Nintendo's motion sensitive system.
Personally, I'm not going to buy a PS3 for quite sometime (I'm going to wait until the prices go down).
So what if PS3 took a bunch of good ideas from other companies and then added in a bunch of new stuff of there own. I mean if you wanna talk about stealing stuff lets talk about Xbox/microsoft owner Bill Gates... God knows who he stole that idea from ;/ but anyways. I have been an avid Playstation fan and will continue to fork out the money because I have always been pleased. Only thing that will keep me from buying a Ps3 will be building a new computer because I think that will be the only thing better than the PS3, because PC games are so cheap and easy to obtain, the gfx and speed is totally dependant on what you put into it..
True but building a custom computer that runs nicely is not that hard, nor costly. Also who needs a computer? after all the ps3 will be able to run linux, and you can't say that about the xbox 360 or nitendos wii. Power to the new super computer/ council gaming system Sure they are copying the Wii, but the controler's motion dectors are not nearly as robust as Wii's. I think it was just a tatic to show people who don't do thier research that PS3 has Wii's features as well, and won't know that Wii's controller has much more control and then possibly buy the PS3 instead.
I think it shows that they are also scared and didn't have enough faith in thier own system that they had to copy what Nintendo was doing.
i dont really care if they steal stuff or not, but i think sony is the best gaming entertainment company around. you sound like a hardcore nintendo gamer, and theres nothing wrong with that, but i must say sony has been putting up MAJOR compation for every other copany around.
One thing: wow.
Did they really expect us to not see the resemblences to the Wii? They MUST BE really dumb...
Well that cleared the way for me...screw PS3, get the Wii...rhymes too...lol
Funny didn't nitendo steal the wii's name? dont the french say wii? Well anyways, the wii is another nice council, but its what I call a babys council, its just like the gay game cube with the favorite locked screen games. For those of us on the forums who prefer "real" games then the xbox 360 and ps3 is for you.
Whats sad is they make awesome games for the nitendo systems and then put them on what else? the sucky game cube or DS, why not put those games on real councils like the xbox, ps2, ps3, or xbox 360.
Reaper: First of all it's consoles not councils. Second, it seems you are one of the only people who thinks that the DS stinks. Third, Nintendo has plenty of these so called "Real games", just look at Resident Evil 4 or Red Steel. And fourth, alot of people think that first-party Nintendo games rock way more then most games out there. Just because you think that Nintendo sucks doesn't mean other people do to.
That being said I don't see a whole lot of chance for the PS3. I can imagine if they were able to price it at $400 it would have more chances, but it seems that $500 - $600 is way to much for most gamers.
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Funny didn't nitendo steal the wii's name? dont the french say wii? Well anyways, the wii is another nice council, but its what I call a babys council, its just like the gay game cube with the favorite locked screen games. For those of us on the forums who prefer "real" games then the xbox 360 and ps3 is for you.
Whats sad is they make awesome games for the nitendo systems and then put them on what else? the sucky game cube or DS, why not put those games on real councils like the xbox, ps2, ps3, or xbox 360. |
You have NO idea how much I want to flame you now. That has got to be one of the most utterly, utterly... ...and I'll just stop there. Fill in the blank yourself.
First of all, your spelling is hopeless. I'm not normally one to complain, not being the best speller myself, but you're opinions will be taken more seriously if they are written legibly. The same for grammar.
Second of all, saying that Nintendo stole the Wii's name is like saying Sony stole the name for the Play Station 2, since all those three words already existed. Just because Wii sounds like another word in another language has got to be the worst criticisms of the name I've heard.
Thirdly, calling the Game Cube and DS 'sucky', 'gay' and 'baby's console' is not only rather immature, but without any evidence to back up those claims you just sound like another stupid console fan boy, even if you aren't.
Fourthly, you say the Game Cube and DS are poor consoles, but then you go on to say that Nintendo make 'awesome' games. This sounds somewhat contradictory, seeing as a console is DEFINED by the games on it. A console by itself is meaningless, after all. And, once again, you fail to give a reason why Nintendo's console is any less 'real' than Sony or Microsoft.
I don't mean to sound too rude or harsh, but without giving evidence for your claims, or even bothering to run your post past a spell checker, you're not going to be taken very seriously.peopole are so narrow minded the next person to insult it is admitting to being a homo
Lets be honest, why in the earth would Sony want to copy the "wii" also known as the "worst console in human history"
Lets go through the stupid site yantaal put up
Well seeing that the playstation had rumble before the n64 did thats wrong straight away, dont you remember the add on pack you put in the big ass controller.
How can you steal the anologue stick as they have been there since gaming begun, its a common thing on arcade machines, so no nintendo did not create this.
Everyone uses 3rd party developers egit.
Oh btw if your saying all this crap remember that the ps2 and the xbox had remotes for there consoles (though they only controlled the dvd an other features still they were remotes for consoles) So nintendo have copied on that one.
Yantaal get a brain you "homo" as you put it.
It's kind of odd how out of the last gen of consoles, the PS2 had the worst graphics, and was the least powerful(in most respects.), yet sold the most.
Then this go-round we have the PS3 being a behemoth of a console, CGI quality graphics (they said at least. that MGS4 tralier could as just as well been on Xbox 360 from my perspective.) Blu-ray tech standard, all the bells and whistles.
People are suddenly assuming this seals the fate of every console, assuring PS3 will come out victorious in the console war. "Those who do not know the past are doomed to repeat it." The same thing happened with the Xbox. People claiming it to be the master of all consoles, Stock HDD, The first real online service(all the bells and whistles), but clearly it didn't suceed or at least perform as expected in the eyes of many.
You have to expect your console to at least take a short drop or bang or two here and there. You gotta be able to smoke indoors or allow dust to roam free even with a next-gen console in you home's presence. To not expect these things, as a consumer (and more importantly a creator of this aforementioned next-gen console) it's fool-hardy not to.
I am under the impression that most of the statistics on SCE products are skewed based on the fraglity. I'd have to say at least half of them are sales to purchsers that have already owned one, or are bundled with sales of the PS2 mini (bought by many to replace their previous (even functional) PS2) and cannot be relied upon solely.
Sony has alienated a large portion of their consumer base by the price of their console, but it's safe to say only the test of time will prove which console will be on top this generation.
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First of all it is true, the game cube was designed to be played by little kids. Just look at a lot of the games out there for the game cube, mario cart, pokemon, and sonic. Need i go on? Yes there are a few "Adult" games like resident evil, but as much as I love being killed by a zombie off screen, i prefer to be killed by one on screen.
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Fourthly, you say the Game Cube and DS are poor consoles, but then you go on to say that Nintendo make 'awesome' games. This sounds somewhat contradictory, seeing as a console is DEFINED by the games on it. A console by itself is meaningless, after all. And, once again, you fail to give a reason why Nintendo's console is any less 'real' than Sony or Microsoft.
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So if the counsole its self is meaning less as you say then I could say play world of warcraft on say a 8 year old windows me computer with say 90 ram? enough said moron.
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| Reaper: First of all it's consoles not councils. Second, it seems you are one of the only people who thinks that the DS stinks |
You know you really shouldn't bitch about other peoples spelling then turn around and make one in the same sentance, I'm one person not a group of people last I checked. But hell what do I know right maby i really am several "People" but i doubt it.wow! just utterly wow! i cant believe how moronic some ppl are.
yeah, the cube was designed for kids, just as the ps2 was designed for pornaddicts. dont believe me? check the japanese titles for ps2. go on, i can wait. find any porntitles? if you say yes, which you most likely will unless you are a moron, then the ps2 MUST be a pornconsole.
give me a break, we dont need stupid shit like that. gamecube is as much a kiddyconsole as the others are.
second, if you dont want to buy a ds lite, then dont do it. if you feel you MUST buy it because they release it, you are an idiot. i will buy it, because i love the looks of it, and i want a bit smaller console. am i unsatisfied with my ds phat because of this? nope. i should probably mention that i am a collector aswell, and want lots and lots of consoles, and i am probably the only one like this in my friendbase (others sell their ds phat to get money for ds lite for example).
ANYWAY! this thread was about the ps3, not anything else.
any interesting stuff for me on it? no.
crappy blu-ray? no thanks. im perfectly fine with my dvd, and it will probably last me a couple of more years until i can buy a blu-ray/hd-dvdplayer for the same price i can buy a good dvdplayer today.
high pricetag? no thank you! i dont make a lot of money, i dont want to take two jobs at the same time as studying. i want to be able to buy atleast one or two games at the same time i buy the console itself, and still not go over $400 or so. and dont even give me some ****** crap about the "lite" ps3.
i think i will get myself a wii, and then an xbox360 when the price is better. ps3? well, when the pricetag is looow, and there is interesting games, maybe. but right now, i preferm cheap and good before expensive and crappy.
Let's see, who do I quote first? I'll just go in order:
| StabWound wrote: |
| i dont really care if they steal stuff or not, but i think sony is the best gaming entertainment company around. you sound like a hardcore nintendo gamer, and theres nothing wrong with that, but i must say sony has been putting up MAJOR compation for every other copany around. |
Well said, brother, well said...
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Funny didn't nitendo steal the wii's name? dont the french say wii? Well anyways, the wii is another nice council, but its what I call a babys council, its just like the gay game cube with the favorite locked screen games. For those of us on the forums who prefer "real" games then the xbox 360 and ps3 is for you.
Whats sad is they make awesome games for the nitendo systems and then put them on what else? the sucky game cube or DS, why not put those games on real councils like the xbox, ps2, ps3, or xbox 360. |
Wow, well aren't you a dumbass. The sound of the name "Wii" is used in almost every language, that's why they chose such a name. It's not stealing from one language, it's uniting all of them. The only other word that's in nearly every language is "no," but that would give a negative response. You honestly don't think we care about your opinions on the Gamecube and DS, right? I've had more fun on my Gamecube than I ever did on my PS2 or Xbox, and the DS just has way better games than the PSP. Games aren't about being adult, they're about being fun and playable. You should learn to look in retrospect before you act like a jackass. I, also, may not have the best grammar, but Nameless is right, start typing legibly, please.
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| peopole are so narrow minded the next person to insult it is admitting to being a homo |
One of my greatest quotes was "You really can't make an honest opinion when the first comment you have about something is about it being gay."
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Lets be honest, why in the earth would Sony want to copy the "wii" also known as the "worst console in human history"
Lets go through the stupid site yantaal put up
Well seeing that the playstation had rumble before the n64 did thats wrong straight away, dont you remember the add on pack you put in the big *** controller.
How can you steal the anologue stick as they have been there since gaming begun, its a common thing on arcade machines, so no nintendo did not create this.
Everyone uses 3rd party developers egit.
Oh btw if your saying all this crap remember that the ps2 and the xbox had remotes for there consoles (though they only controlled the dvd an other features still they were remotes for consoles) So nintendo have copied on that one.
Yantaal get a brain you "homo" as you put it. |
Watch it, kid. You don't want to end up like Reaper.
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First of all it is true, the game cube was designed to be played by little kids. Just look at a lot of the games out there for the game cube, mario cart, pokemon, and sonic. Need i go on? Yes there are a few "Adult" games like resident evil, but as much as I love being killed by a zombie off screen, i prefer to be killed by one on screen.
So if the counsole its self is meaning less as you say then I could say play world of warcraft on say a 8 year old windows me computer with say 90 ram? enough said moron.
You know you really shouldn't bitch about other peoples spelling then turn around and make one in the same sentance, I'm one person not a group of people last I checked. But hell what do I know right maby i really am several "People" but i doubt it. |
Oh my god, you are such a dumbass! Everything you said here isn't fact, so don't refer to it as fact, you ******! Everything you said was opinion, which I normally would have no problem with seeing as how I can't argue someone's opinion, seeing as how that is what they believe, but when you start calling your ignorant opinions fact, then I really get pissed off! The way you talk, you sound like you've never even played the games your talking about! You don't get attacked off screen by, well, not even zombie, they're ****** ganados, and you don't get attack like that because of the new camera control scheme! And you haven't spelled "Console" right! What the ****** are you talking about "then I could say play world of warcraft on say a 8 year old windows me computer with say 90 ram," Nameless said nothing about WoW! You ****** idiot, maybe you should start playing the games you burn before you start burning them, because you can't make an honest opinion about something without having a firsthand experience with it! I hate ignorant morons like you who call themselves gamers and don't even form opinions based on fact about real games! You are not a gamer, in any respect! Hell, you are not even a person!!!
Ok, that's enough. No more Nintendo bashing in this thread, because it's about the PS3 and not "how much nintendo suxorz." So Reaper, just shut the ****** up and start a whole other thread so we may burn you. Do I think you care about my opinions? Well usually I would say no but you must care about my opinions to respond so passionately to my posts.
Also your assuming that I in fact have not played the game cube when you made your reply, only one problem with that, I have played the game cube before.
Not a person? Why thank you, I take that as a compliment because if I were a person like you then I would seriously have to shoot my self in the head.
I don't really care what type of zombies they are? The fact is they still attack you off your screen.
But there is one thing about your post that impresses me, and its how you managed to use a censored word almost every single sentence.
Also due to popular request I ran this post though a spell checker, and guess what there were only two or three spelling mistakes in it buddy.
Also your right he mentioned nothing-about wow, but what you don't get is that I’m comparing the game cube to that computer. He said the console does not matter? Well that’s not true, if I took away your console but bought you say 800$ worth of games you would not be able to play a single one because you don’t have a console to play it on.
If you still don't under stand it let me further explain, the console is like your computer, in which you need a graphics card, ram, and of course a CD player in order to play the game. If your consoles graphics card can't handle the graphics in the game then the console cannot play that game. If your console does not have enough ram then your game play slows down, if your CD player cannot read the CD then it can’t play the game in the first place. So what use is the world’s best game if your console can't play it?
You say people don't take you seriously if you don't spell properly? Well that is equally true to using swearwords almost every sentence buddy.
Ok now on topic. I happen to believe that the ps3 will be the best console out there for one simple reason, if you take a look at whats under the hood then you would realize it blows away all the other consoles currently on the market.
Although I do admit Nintendo may redeem them self’s with the Nintendo Wii.
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Do I think you care about my opinions? Well usually I would say no but you must care about my opinions to respond so passionately to my posts.
Also your assuming that I in fact have not played the game cube when you made your reply, only one problem with that, I have played the game cube before.
Not a person? Why thank you, I take that as a compliment because if I were a person like you then I would seriously have to shoot my self in the head.
I don't really care what type of zombies they are? The fact is they still attack you off your screen.
But there is one thing about your post that impresses me, and its how you managed to use a censored word almost every single sentence.
Also due to popular request I ran this post though a spell checker, and guess what there were only two or three spelling mistakes in it buddy.
Also your right he mentioned nothing-about wow, but what you don't get is that I’m comparing the game cube to that computer. He said the console does not matter? Well that’s not true, if I took away your console but bought you say 800$ worth of games you would not be able to play a single one because you don’t have a console to play it on.
If you still don't under stand it let me further explain, the console is like your computer, in which you need a graphics card, ram, and of course a CD player in order to play the game. If your consoles graphics card can't handle the graphics in the game then the console cannot play that game. If your console does not have enough ram then your game play slows down, if your CD player cannot read the CD then it can’t play the game in the first place. So what use is the world’s best game if your console can't play it?
You say people don't take you seriously if you don't spell properly? Well that is equally true to using swearwords almost every sentence buddy.
Ok now on topic. I happen to believe that the ps3 will be the best console out there for one simple reason, if you take a look at whats under the hood then you would realize it blows away all the other consoles currently on the market.
Although I do admit Nintendo may redeem them self’s with the Nintendo Wii. |
I don't want to get into a huge fight, because I respect the opinions of other people, but the reason I'm angry at you, which I've posted before, is that you refered to your opinions, which came together through speculation, as facts. Your opinions are not facts. Facts are the exact opposite of opinions. I get angry at people who think that all of their opinions are facts, when they are all put together through the person's opinions. Do you understand me? I'm sorry if I made myself to philisophical for you to understand.
Now, as for you not being able to spell properly, are you telling me that this post had only 3 spelling and grammar errors in it:
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Funny didn't nitendo steal the wii's name? dont the french say wii? Well anyways, the wii is another nice council, but its what I call a babys council, its just like the gay game cube with the favorite locked screen games. For those of us on the forums who prefer "real" games then the xbox 360 and ps3 is for you.
Whats sad is they make awesome games for the nitendo systems and then put them on what else? the sucky game cube or DS, why not put those games on real councils like the xbox, ps2, ps3, or xbox 360. |
Enough said about your spelling...
Now, you also say that people don't take other people seriously if they swear alot? I wouldn't have to swear if you didn't make me angry. Plus, I swear like a ****** pirate normally, and that's just how I talk, but I will fling insults at people who piss me off. I just want to get a point through your thick skull, that OPINIONS ARE NOT FACTS. It seems like the only way you'll sit down and read another person's post is if there is something eyecatching, such as lots of swears or a quote by them, seeing as how this is a big board full of forums. I just wanted to make sure you read about how much I hate people like you, and really, the way I was raised, it's very hard for me to any group of people, at all.
Here is the thing about consoles:
THEY ARE COMPUTERS.
They are made the exact same ways as computers, the run the same ways as computers, they act just like computers, and most of all, they need everything computers need. The reason they aren't refered to as Personal Computers is because they are dumbed down and made for commercial use, and not meant to be personal in any way, shape, or form. Still, there is no need to keep saying that consoles are "like" computers, because they ARE computers.
Also, in any game like RE4, even games for the Xbox, PS2, or the PC, enemies will attack you off screen. If there is an enemy in your blindspot, they can attack you off screen. However, in RE4, if you aren't good enough or don't have enough skill to deal with enemies behind you, then you are bad at the game, and you shouldn't even be playing it. I'm good enough to deal because I use conservative skills, I.E. using the instant turn around, knife shots to the head, something I have dubbed "The Neo Move" (which is where you shoot or knife someone in the head, they fall back into the crowd, and you follow them and kick him while he's still hurt, and hit not only him, but the entire crowd), saving all of my TMP and Magnum rounds for boss fights, and only using the Handgun, if ever, and maybe the shotgun if I'm in a tight spot, and selling all of unneeded rounds. I would use the Chicago Typewriter, the Handcannon, and the Infinite Rocket Launcher, but it makes professional mode alot less challenging, and pretty much not worth playing. I wish there was more to Merc mode, but after I got all the levels with a 5 star score with all characters, there isn't anything left to do. I'd play the PS2 version if my PS2 wasn't broken! Grr...
Either way, dude, I think I made my point across, and if you were too retarded to figure it out, opinions ARE NOT FACTS!
Ok, now will you stop being such a douche, stop trying to get back at me, and can we continue this topic? Geez, I would put it in forum fun if it wasn't so much of a chore to show how much of an idiot you are.When have I ever during my entire time on these forums have I ever EVER said my opinions are fact? Far as I can remember I never said that. It's not my fault that you are interpeting my opinions as facts, try interpreting opinions as just that opinions.
Consoles are not considered computers for one reason; they have no OS like Linux or windows XP running. But the new Ps3 is rumored to have Linux installed on it for free.
On that zombies attacking off screen subject again you misunderstood what i typed, your assuming I’m talking about resident evil 4 but I’m pretty sure there are more zombie games then RE4, specifically I was making fun of all of the game cube games out there that lock your screen in place. For example you’re walking down a hall way and your views are always like security cameras stuck in the walls.
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Yes I know I’m quoting myself here but its necessary. I ran this post though a spell checker as in the post you were reading when you read that, not my previous posts.
I mean no offense by this but you have never made any comments on WHY you Think the ps3 is an excellent console or not. Just to clarify this for you so you don't misunderstand again I have indeed commented on what I think of the ps3s capabilities as a gaming system.
Also for future reference what I happen to hate are people who pretend they understand everything, and no I don't pretend that I know everything or understand everything because that would be foolish to think I have learned all the knowledge in the world.
If you don't want to argue with people (yes an argument is a fight just not in physical terms), Then you shouldn't be on forums because that's the basic purpose of a forum to state your idea's or thoughts and to prove people right or wrong.
So if you have a problem with the fact that I think Nintendo’s game cube for the most part was a horrible system tough luck.
I have no problem with Nintendo’s Wii just to make that clear, I was just commenting on the name, I wouldn't want you to misunderstand for the 60th time so I figured I would state that. And please don’t make me have to spell out every single one of my posts to you because it’s a complete waste of my time. | Reaper wrote: |
| First of all it is true, the game cube was designed to be played by little kids. Just look at a lot of the games out there for the game cube, mario cart, pokemon, and sonic. Need i go on? Yes there are a few "Adult" games like resident evil, but as much as I love being killed by a zombie off screen, i prefer to be killed by one on screen. |
That's clearly speculation, not fact, buddy.
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| Consoles are not considered computers for one reason; they have no OS like Linux or windows XP running. But the new Ps3 is rumored to have Linux installed on it for free. |
Yeah, about that. Since you just happen to be refering to operating systems, you have to take into account that the Gamecube's, the PS2's, and the Xbox's run off of operating systems made specifically by their respective companys. While you may not consider it an OS, a Windows, or Linux, it's still an operating system nontheless. Why is it an operating system? Because it's a system that freakin' operates to say the least.
Resident Evil 4 is basically the only real survival horror game for the Gamecube, so if your counting the atrocious Resident Evil X, don't blame Nintendo, because Capcom put those games on the Playstation first. Otherwise, what the ****** else third party pieces of shit could you be talking about?
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| Either way, Sony is getting alot of criticism about this, but the PS3 is already going to be super powerful, and the motion capture technology was just something that Sony wanted to get in on. Sure, it may be stealing, but what if we want to play some cool motion capture games on the PS3? Will MGS4 use this motion capture for some cool new feature? We'll just have to wait and see. |
I made this post before you started posting in this topic, so you should probably read the entire thread before you accuse people not following the topic.
At what point did I say I not only knew everything in the world, or did I say that I hated them? All I said was I hate people who can't differ fact from opinion.
I usually don't start flame wars. Like I said, I'm a very laid back person. but the way you presented your posts with your grammar errors, you sounded like your opinions were all facts, and not opinions. That's one reason why you should read not only everything everyone else says, but everything you say.
I think it's good that you have an opinion on the Gamecube, as much as I disagree with it. But just like Jack Thompson and tons of other morons and Christian Evangelists, you're opinions can't be changed because of simple mindedness.
For your last paragraph that I don't feel like quoting, my comment about the Wii was basically trying to correct you, or to enlighten you on why it's called Wii. What I'm mad about is how you refered to games on the Gamecube as not being "real" games, and, once again, this is your opinion, but it's been made quite clear that all throughout the world that games on the Gamecube are, in fact, real games. You also said the DS is sucky, even though it is very clear that the games on it are much better than it's leading competitor, the PSP. I guess you're sitting alone on that one...
I want to wrap this up with one last thought, just stop it. I'm sick of all of this fighting, because it's not getting anywhere. I've learned that there is no point in fighting with simple minded people. They can't be persuaded into thinking on the other side of the arguement. Now, I see your points, and I respect the fact that you are actually able to form your own opinions, unlike alot of people in the world. Infact, I actually kind of liked this debate. It broke up the tedium of my otherwise normal day. All I wanted you to do was to get you thinking, and you've come up with some, well, bigger posts, and you've tried hard to get around alot of my shots, and at times, you actually succeeded. While you've got a long way to go you actually thinking openmindedly, you've shown alittle improvement today. I still don't agree with your opinions, and I certainly do not think that any consoles in a respective generation is "better" or "suckier" than another, but I hope you've learned alittle bit about yourself an the way you think from this little quarel. Brava, you've made slightly more success today than the previous day. So, I think you still have one more question, why did I wait till the end of this post to reveal that I was testing you? Because of Frihost points. I love me some Frihost points.Who doesn't like Frihost points 
But not even Microsoft calls there console a computer though, they instead call them gaming machines, Sony had to go out of its way to add a well known OS And get the computer label on there game to make sure no-one made a mistake and called it a simple next gen console.
You must admit though that being able to use things like Photoshop on the ps3 will be an excellent feature wouldn't you agree?
Maybe if Nintendo upgraded their remotes for the Game Cube it wouldn't be so bad but still Nintendo still built the game Cube to specifically target kids from say 5 yrs to 11 yrs old.
As they say it was their target audience, they never had any real intention on attracting an adult audience with their console system. That was purely Cap coms doing.
Well I doubt we will ever 100% prove each others opinions wrong so I guess this topic is a stale mate. 
| Reaper wrote: |
Who doesn't like Frihost points But not even Microsoft calls there console a computer though, they instead call them gaming machines, Sony had to go out of its way to add a well known OS And get the computer label on there game to make sure no-one made a mistake and called it a simple next gen console.
You must admit though that being able to use things like Photoshop on the ps3 will be an excellent feature wouldn't you agree?
Maybe if Nintendo upgraded their remotes for the Game Cube it wouldn't be so bad but still Nintendo still built the game Cube to specifically target kids from say 5 yrs to 11 yrs old.
As they say it was their target audience, they never had any real intention on attracting an adult audience with their console system. That was purely Cap coms doing.
Well I doubt we will ever 100% prove each others opinions wrong so I guess this topic is a stale mate. |
Yeah, sure, whatever. I don't see how Photoshop on a PS3 would be useful, seeing as how it would just be easier to use it on a computer. While consoles may not be refered to as computers, they are still built and programed the same way, and only made for mass marketing. That's why it's really not a good idea to put an operating system on the PS3, because it wouldn't be a console anymore, and that's why the price simply skyrocketed.
Well, Shigeru Miyamoto is basically as kid inside, but that doesn't really change the fact that, in order to respect and be open-minded about gaming, Adults play it too, and Nintendo really got the shaft when it came to third party developers. I just wish Silicon Knights made more games for them.
Also, it's pretty much impossible to disprove an opinion. The best thing you can do is oppose it or if the other party amends it.Everyone keeps nailing the PS3 for "stealing", but no one seems to be remembering how the xbox when it first came out stole many game ideas from Sony.
| Yantaal wrote: |
wow, PS3 are so desperate that they ar ecopying The Revolution then.(yes im well are are its called the Wii)
so, they have nintendo game designers, nintendo functions in the console, and have probably ripped x-box somewhere as well.
I feel this sums it up:
http://ps3remote.ytmnsfw.com/
what wont they steel? |
I'd say that Sony is a cheap company putting heavy prices on stuff that they steal from others! 
First they stole Nintendo's Game Boy, made the PSP, which in my opinion is just junk!( Sorry if I've offended someone!) Now they stolen Wii's idea from Nintendo, darn that is so nasty!
Well since the price tag is going to be around 600-750$/€ it won't probably be that popular, I atleast from the bottom of my heart hope that Sony would fail by its PS3! 
Oh boy, what a "Wheany", man I hate Sony!
PS3 will lose to Wii, I really hope so! 
| Reaper wrote: |
Funny didn't nitendo steal the wii's name? dont the french say wii? Well anyways, the wii is another nice council, but its what I call a babys council, its just like the gay game cube with the favorite locked screen games. For those of us on the forums who prefer "real" games then the xbox 360 and ps3 is for you.
Whats sad is they make awesome games for the nitendo systems and then put them on what else? the sucky game cube or DS, why not put those games on real councils like the xbox, ps2, ps3, or xbox 360. |
Hey! The PS1 consoles and Xbox came way later than Nintendo (NES) and I'd like to note to you that Nintendo is the real deal, not some PS or XBox! Personally I've not got anything against the Xbox, but lot against PS!
Nintendo's games are not baby's and Game Cube is not gay!
| KJV Matthew 7:4 wrote: |
| Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the twig out of thine eye; and, behold, a stick is in thine own eye? |
You should think about what I mean by that Quote!
Nintendo isn't a baby's console, it's for everybody! Xbox, PS are so much for making games for adults that they forget the kids and families that want some fun and not only bloodshed! Setting aside the fact that the PS3 does have some features that are very much like the Wii, Sony is still shooting itself in the foot with the PS3. The production cost is more then the amount they're selling it for.
So who cares how many they sell or what features it has, either way Sony is losing money on every sale. Sony has invested so much money into the production and development (we're talking billions here just for the development phase, not to mention the actual cost of some of the parts) of their console that if they don't sell enough or it's not popular enough they won't make back the money on their investment in the PS3.
They're taking a huge risk here. Most console systems sell there systems for way less then they are worth. If the xbox 360 was first sold in order to make a profit then I assure you the price for the 360 would have been much higher, and I assure you the nitendo Wii will also sell there console for less then it took to build.
Talking about which consoles are older? I assure you there are game consoles far older then Nitendo.
And yes the game cube was still built to target childern. If you don't believe me then take a look at the controler, it seems a little small to me and those solid plastic thumb sticks are murder on your fingers. ( Of course thats just my humble opinion and nothing more)
In short all consoles lose more money then it took to build them when they are initially released and sometimes it takes a year or two in order to see any profit on that console, and im talking about all consoles with the exeption of the gamecube, but you cant really count the gamecube because it was built with price in mind.
Also if you watch any official game review shows/ console review shows then you would know that compared to the other consoles the gamecube was horrible. I'm talking about Xplay of course.
Let me translate, for those of you who did not understand the above. Nitendo intended the game cube to be a kids console but in the end its the game developers that decide that, even if they do half ass it. Also there are plenty of non-violent games for microsofts consoles and the ps2 and ps3 series.
Also if your going to comment on a post please don't re-state what people have already stated. Rightclickscott stated most of what you said already.
Thats all im going to add to this topic, its dead already so let it die in peace, Starting a flame war only proves me right. As they say its better to retreat to fight another day then die a hero no-one will ever remember.
Also heres a quote in support of sony. I would rather be a thief and alive then honest and dead.
i dunno if its true...but just in general i hate playstation
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| And yes the game cube was still built to target childern. |
No I'm pretty sure it was targeted to people who play games...you know, fun ones.I have always ahave and always will be a Nintendo Fan.
Does anyone have a more updated screenshot?
Nintendo have been around the longest and once upon a time Sony and Nintendo were working together. If the controller looks like to Wii one, I believe that Nintendo would have every right to sue sony for copyright breach. Theres nothing wrong with the Wii and sony must think its a very good idea if they are going to be copying it.
| garionw wrote: |
I have always ahave and always will be a Nintendo Fan.
Does anyone have a more updated screenshot?
Nintendo have been around the longest and once upon a time Sony and Nintendo were working together. If the controller looks like to Wii one, I believe that Nintendo would have every right to sue sony for copyright breach. Theres nothing wrong with the Wii and sony must think its a very good idea if they are going to be copying it. |
That's right, Sony is desperate so it has to do something in order to get good money! Now that PS3 is over 600$ people who used to hate or dislike Nintendo will most probably turn to it, because of the price! Sony PS3 costs 3-6 times more than Wii, so that will really make people wonder if it really is worth that whole bunch of money! Sony is putting too much effort on how the games look like, whereas Nintendo is thinking more about what kind of and how do players want to play their games! If people would understand this point Sony would soon be out of business on the console market!
Here in Finland Xbox 360 cost about 400-450€(the better vesion where was the built in hard disk 20Gb, if I remember right!)
Xbox 360 already was an expensive console, and I just bet that people aren't willing to pay more for PS3 than what they have paid for Xbox 360!
Now that Nintedo intends to sell Wii for just 150 - 200€/$ it will be a sure winner, because people look for good and cheap things, unless they are very rich! | Whong wrote: |
| garionw wrote: | I have always ahave and always will be a Nintendo Fan.
Does anyone have a more updated screenshot?
Nintendo have been around the longest and once upon a time Sony and Nintendo were working together. If the controller looks like to Wii one, I believe that Nintendo would have every right to sue sony for copyright breach. Theres nothing wrong with the Wii and sony must think its a very good idea if they are going to be copying it. |
That's right, Sony is desperate so it has to do something in order to get good money! Now that PS3 is over 600$ people who used to hate or dislike Nintendo will most probably turn to it, because of the price! Sony PS3 costs 3-6 times more than Wii, so that will really make people wonder if it really is worth that whole bunch of money! Sony is putting too much effort on how the games look like, whereas Nintendo is thinking more about what kind of and how do players want to play their games! If people would understand this point Sony would soon be out of business on the console market!
Here in Finland Xbox 360 cost about 400-450€(the better vesion where was the built in hard disk 20Gb, if I remember right!)
Xbox 360 already was an expensive console, and I just bet that people aren't willing to pay more for PS3 than what they have paid for Xbox 360!
Now that Nintedo intends to sell Wii for just 150 - 200€/$ it will be a sure winner, because people look for good and cheap things, unless they are very rich! |
They're two different markets. Most likely people will own a Wii and an Xbox360/PS3. Wii is completely different from both of them, so I guess it's "reasonable" to say they're completely different markets.As long as WE get to have fun with Playstation 3, its fine.
Stealing ideas and stuff are good for us players because we get to have more fun and feel like having all the consoles in the world | Kelcey wrote: |
| Whong wrote: | | garionw wrote: | I have always ahave and always will be a Nintendo Fan.
Does anyone have a more updated screenshot?
Nintendo have been around the longest and once upon a time Sony and Nintendo were working together. If the controller looks like to Wii one, I believe that Nintendo would have every right to sue sony for copyright breach. Theres nothing wrong with the Wii and sony must think its a very good idea if they are going to be copying it. |
That's right, Sony is desperate so it has to do something in order to get good money! Now that PS3 is over 600$ people who used to hate or dislike Nintendo will most probably turn to it, because of the price! Sony PS3 costs 3-6 times more than Wii, so that will really make people wonder if it really is worth that whole bunch of money! Sony is putting too much effort on how the games look like, whereas Nintendo is thinking more about what kind of and how do players want to play their games! If people would understand this point Sony would soon be out of business on the console market!
Here in Finland Xbox 360 cost about 400-450€(the better vesion where was the built in hard disk 20Gb, if I remember right!)
Xbox 360 already was an expensive console, and I just bet that people aren't willing to pay more for PS3 than what they have paid for Xbox 360!
Now that Nintedo intends to sell Wii for just 150 - 200€/$ it will be a sure winner, because people look for good and cheap things, unless they are very rich! |
They're two different markets. Most likely people will own a Wii and an Xbox360/PS3. Wii is completely different from both of them, so I guess it's "reasonable" to say they're completely different markets. |
Well I wouldn't fully agree, Nintendo wants also thoses who like PS or Xbox!
I'd say that Nintendo is doing a great job by making the new controller!
I can't stand someone copying from Nintendo, I can't help it!
Well, PS3 get lost! | Whong wrote: |
| Kelcey wrote: | | Whong wrote: | | garionw wrote: | I have always ahave and always will be a Nintendo Fan.
Does anyone have a more updated screenshot?
Nintendo have been around the longest and once upon a time Sony and Nintendo were working together. If the controller looks like to Wii one, I believe that Nintendo would have every right to sue sony for copyright breach. Theres nothing wrong with the Wii and sony must think its a very good idea if they are going to be copying it. |
That's right, Sony is desperate so it has to do something in order to get good money! Now that PS3 is over 600$ people who used to hate or dislike Nintendo will most probably turn to it, because of the price! Sony PS3 costs 3-6 times more than Wii, so that will really make people wonder if it really is worth that whole bunch of money! Sony is putting too much effort on how the games look like, whereas Nintendo is thinking more about what kind of and how do players want to play their games! If people would understand this point Sony would soon be out of business on the console market!
Here in Finland Xbox 360 cost about 400-450€(the better vesion where was the built in hard disk 20Gb, if I remember right!)
Xbox 360 already was an expensive console, and I just bet that people aren't willing to pay more for PS3 than what they have paid for Xbox 360!
Now that Nintedo intends to sell Wii for just 150 - 200€/$ it will be a sure winner, because people look for good and cheap things, unless they are very rich! |
They're two different markets. Most likely people will own a Wii and an Xbox360/PS3. Wii is completely different from both of them, so I guess it's "reasonable" to say they're completely different markets. |
Well I wouldn't fully agree, Nintendo wants also thoses who like PS or Xbox!
I'd say that Nintendo is doing a great job by making the new controller!
I can't stand someone copying from Nintendo, I can't help it!
Well, PS3 get lost! |
Technology wise they're promoting different things. Of course they're targetting the same people (gamers... as they are game consoles). Yet, they're in different ways. So a gamer can easiliy justify buying a wii for the controller and a PS3/XBox 360 for the power more easily than buying a PS3 and 360 BOTH for power."Yeah, sure, whatever. I don't see how Photoshop on a PS3 would be useful, seeing as how it would just be easier to use it on a computer. While consoles may not be refered to as computers, they are still built and programed the same way, and only made for mass marketing. That's why it's really not a good idea to put an operating system on the PS3, because it wouldn't be a console anymore, and that's why the price simply skyrocketed.
Well, Shigeru Miyamoto is basically as kid inside, but that doesn't really change the fact that, in order to respect and be open-minded about gaming, Adults play it too, and Nintendo really got the shaft when it came to third party developers. I just wish Silicon Knights made more games for them.
Also, it's pretty much impossible to disprove an opinion. The best thing you can do is oppose it or if the other party amends it."
- Yes, but many things are easier to do on pc than on consoles for example any FPS. But FPS`s still sell on console platforms because people who arent so pc smart still want to be able to do the neat things that people do on their pcs.
But I don't see why would people buy PS3, because its so expecive!
I have Read That The PS3 Is Great. I have Heard That You Can Rec. TV Play DVDs And It Has Super Duper Graphics 
+ Their Will Be 7 Diffrent Types Of It At Ranges Of Prices (1 For Pure Gaming Cant Rec. Or Play DVDs Will be The Cheepest) And 6 Other That Are Too Much To Explaine. cool...but the music is stupid!
| Gunner54 wrote: |
| I have Read That The PS3 Is Great. I have Heard That You Can Rec. TV Play DVDs And It Has Super Duper Graphics + Their Will Be 7 Diffrent Types Of It At Ranges Of Prices (1 For Pure Gaming Cant Rec. Or Play DVDs Will be The Cheepest) And 6 Other That Are Too Much To Explaine. |
man, what drugs are you using? i want that too!I have no opinion on the PS3 until ive played on it but i hear that is simalar to the xbox 360 at a blown up price the RRP at the moment is about £500 or about $450!!! that alot of money considering that the xbox 360 premium system now costs only £150 or about $120 | ltbennett wrote: |
| I have no opinion on the PS3 until ive played on it but i hear that is simalar to the xbox 360 at a blown up price the RRP at the moment is about £500 or about $450!!! that alot of money considering that the xbox 360 premium system now costs only £150 or about $120 |
uhm, NO! are you using the same drugs as gunner54?
the xbox360 cost $399 i think it is if you want the premium, and $299 if you want core (i could be a bit off there, i live in sweden so im not sure), and they will most likely lower the price when the ps3 is released. ps3 will have a hard time getting around. | Whong wrote: |
| But I don't see why would people buy PS3, because its so expecive! |
Why did people buy ps2's and ps1's? Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Grand Theft Auto, Gran Turismo, and a whole crap load of other franchises. Those 4 major franchises have already been confirmed for the PS3. I don't know about you, but I won't spend 200 dollars on a system that isn't FOR ME (can be for you) just because it's cheaper.
I don't like Sony or the decisions they've made, but I'm stuck with it because I love Final Fantasy and it looks like Square is well behind the PS3. That is all I need to justify buying the system. I won't pay 600 for it though. Definitely will wait for it to come down.
| ltbennett wrote: |
| I have no opinion on the PS3 until ive played on it but i hear that is simalar to the xbox 360 at a blown up price the RRP at the moment is about £500 or about $450!!! that alot of money considering that the xbox 360 premium system now costs only £150 or about $120 |
What do you consider similar?
The 360 uses a DVD drive with an add-on HD DVD drive while the PS3 uses a blu-ray drive.
The PS3 uses the Cell processor which is clearly a different architecture than that of the 3 core 360 set up.
They both use different graphics card technology.
The PS3 uses bluetooth, the 360 doesn't.
Uh... how does the xbox 360 cost about 120 dollars? The premium in america is 400 while the "premium" ps3 is 600.
The PS3 controller is essentially the same as the PS2/PS1 dual shock controllers without the rumble and added motion sensor (yeah... hi nintendo). The 360 controller has rumble but no motion ability.
So yeah... they aren't similar at all. The PS3 has higher peak performance which only very few developers will be able to take advantage of because it's a pain in the ass to program for. | Kelcey wrote: |
| Whong wrote: | | But I don't see why would people buy PS3, because its so expecive! |
Why did people buy ps2's and ps1's? Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Grand Theft Auto, Gran Turismo, and a whole crap load of other franchises. Those 4 major franchises have already been confirmed for the PS3. I don't know about you, but I won't spend 200 dollars on a system that isn't FOR ME (can be for you) just because it's cheaper.
I don't like Sony or the decisions they've made, but I'm stuck with it because I love Final Fantasy and it looks like Square is well behind the PS3. That is all I need to justify buying the system. I won't pay 600 for it though. Definitely will wait for it to come down.
| ltbennett wrote: | | I have no opinion on the PS3 until ive played on it but i hear that is simalar to the xbox 360 at a blown up price the RRP at the moment is about £500 or about $450!!! that alot of money considering that the xbox 360 premium system now costs only £150 or about $120 |
What do you consider similar?
The 360 uses a DVD drive with an add-on HD DVD drive while the PS3 uses a blu-ray drive.
The PS3 uses the Cell processor which is clearly a different architecture than that of the 3 core 360 set up.
They both use different graphics card technology.
The PS3 uses bluetooth, the 360 doesn't.
Uh... how does the xbox 360 cost about 120 dollars? The premium in america is 400 while the "premium" ps3 is 600.
The PS3 controller is essentially the same as the PS2/PS1 dual shock controllers without the rumble and added motion sensor (yeah... hi nintendo). The 360 controller has rumble but no motion ability.
So yeah... they aren't similar at all. The PS3 has higher peak performance which only very few developers will be able to take advantage of because it's a pain in the *** to program for. |
PS3's motion sensor is nothing like Nintendo's motion sensor! PS3 has just made some kind of a stupid, bad version of it, just to say that they have the same like Nintendo! That is so stupid, Sony just copies from others because it hasn't enough ideas!
Nintendo brings something totally new, where as Sony is just giving the same old stuff, with just a bit better performance and more better graphics!
To tell the truth, a game can be really greeeat with bad or medium graphics where as a game with superb graphics can be such a pain and lousy that it isn't worth playing!
For me the quality of the game is more important than the outlook! | Whong wrote: |
| Kelcey wrote: | | Whong wrote: | | But I don't see why would people buy PS3, because its so expecive! |
Why did people buy ps2's and ps1's? Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Grand Theft Auto, Gran Turismo, and a whole crap load of other franchises. Those 4 major franchises have already been confirmed for the PS3. I don't know about you, but I won't spend 200 dollars on a system that isn't FOR ME (can be for you) just because it's cheaper.
I don't like Sony or the decisions they've made, but I'm stuck with it because I love Final Fantasy and it looks like Square is well behind the PS3. That is all I need to justify buying the system. I won't pay 600 for it though. Definitely will wait for it to come down.
| ltbennett wrote: | | I have no opinion on the PS3 until ive played on it but i hear that is simalar to the xbox 360 at a blown up price the RRP at the moment is about £500 or about $450!!! that alot of money considering that the xbox 360 premium system now costs only £150 or about $120 |
What do you consider similar?
The 360 uses a DVD drive with an add-on HD DVD drive while the PS3 uses a blu-ray drive.
The PS3 uses the Cell processor which is clearly a different architecture than that of the 3 core 360 set up.
They both use different graphics card technology.
The PS3 uses bluetooth, the 360 doesn't.
Uh... how does the xbox 360 cost about 120 dollars? The premium in america is 400 while the "premium" ps3 is 600.
The PS3 controller is essentially the same as the PS2/PS1 dual shock controllers without the rumble and added motion sensor (yeah... hi nintendo). The 360 controller has rumble but no motion ability.
So yeah... they aren't similar at all. The PS3 has higher peak performance which only very few developers will be able to take advantage of because it's a pain in the *** to program for. |
PS3's motion sensor is nothing like Nintendo's motion sensor! PS3 has just made some kind of a stupid, bad version of it, just to say that they have the same like Nintendo! That is so stupid, Sony just copies from others because it hasn't enough ideas!
Nintendo brings something totally new, where as Sony is just giving the same old stuff, with just a bit better performance and more better graphics!
To tell the truth, a game can be really greeeat with bad or medium graphics where as a game with superb graphics can be such a pain and lousy that it isn't worth playing!
For me the quality of the game is more important than the outlook! |
Yeah, I never said PS3's "new" motion crap was even worthwhile. It's stupid.
So I'm gonna ask you this question if graphics "don't mean much."
Say you're playing punch out (hopefully you've played it before). Tell me what would make your experience more enjoyable. You play the NES version where you see your guy punch the opponent... great and fun back in 1984. Now say you see it in 3D with pain oozing out of his face and sweat and blood flying off of his face when you punch him in DIFFERENT ways. So I'm not downplaying gameplay, just merely exhibiting graphics can make a huge difference in your experience. So honestly, simply a yes or no, wouldn't you find the more graphically impressive game more enjoyable given the SAME controls? If you say yes, I'm not saying graphics are more important than gameplay and vice versa. I'm simply saying graphics do matter.
Also, you don't mention anything about games. You asked me why people will buy a PS3. I said they'll buy it for the francises that were on the previous iterations. While focusing on hardware is nice and all, if someone doesn't like Mario/Zelda/Metroid, then it's worthless to get a Wii no matter how "cool" the controller is. And there's no reason to get a PS3 unless you like their franchises. There's no reason in having a graphical power house if you don't like any of the games. There's no reason in having an innovate control scheme if you don't like any of the games. So the whole battle in the hardware sense is worthless unless the specific person WANTS to play games on the systems.
Don't forget the cube "bombed" in comparison to the ps2 and the 64 to the ps1 because Nintendo lost some of their important franchises to Sony. The biggest was the Final Fantasy franchise. In general, they lost Square which produced some insanely great titles for Sony. Capcom moved its popular fighters to the Sega, Sony, and Microsoft systems such as Marvel vs Capcom 2 and Street Fighter 3. The Cube's most impressive third party title was Resident Evil 4 which was supposed to be exclusive. Unfortunately it made its way to the PS2.
The point is that the Cube is a much better piece of hardware than the PS2 at a cheaper price. It got TRUMPED hard by the PS2 because in general, people wanted the PS2 franchises more.
So finally... The PS3 won't "sell more" because it's a graphical power house. The Wii won't "sell more" because it's innovative. It is all about what games are coming out for the systems. | Kelcey wrote: |
| Whong wrote: | | Kelcey wrote: | | Whong wrote: | | But I don't see why would people buy PS3, because its so expecive! |
Why did people buy ps2's and ps1's? Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Grand Theft Auto, Gran Turismo, and a whole crap load of other franchises. Those 4 major franchises have already been confirmed for the PS3. I don't know about you, but I won't spend 200 dollars on a system that isn't FOR ME (can be for you) just because it's cheaper.
I don't like Sony or the decisions they've made, but I'm stuck with it because I love Final Fantasy and it looks like Square is well behind the PS3. That is all I need to justify buying the system. I won't pay 600 for it though. Definitely will wait for it to come down.
| ltbennett wrote: | | I have no opinion on the PS3 until ive played on it but i hear that is simalar to the xbox 360 at a blown up price the RRP at the moment is about £500 or about $450!!! that alot of money considering that the xbox 360 premium system now costs only £150 or about $120 |
What do you consider similar?
The 360 uses a DVD drive with an add-on HD DVD drive while the PS3 uses a blu-ray drive.
The PS3 uses the Cell processor which is clearly a different architecture than that of the 3 core 360 set up.
They both use different graphics card technology.
The PS3 uses bluetooth, the 360 doesn't.
Uh... how does the xbox 360 cost about 120 dollars? The premium in america is 400 while the "premium" ps3 is 600.
The PS3 controller is essentially the same as the PS2/PS1 dual shock controllers without the rumble and added motion sensor (yeah... hi nintendo). The 360 controller has rumble but no motion ability.
So yeah... they aren't similar at all. The PS3 has higher peak performance which only very few developers will be able to take advantage of because it's a pain in the *** to program for. |
PS3's motion sensor is nothing like Nintendo's motion sensor! PS3 has just made some kind of a stupid, bad version of it, just to say that they have the same like Nintendo! That is so stupid, Sony just copies from others because it hasn't enough ideas!
Nintendo brings something totally new, where as Sony is just giving the same old stuff, with just a bit better performance and more better graphics!
To tell the truth, a game can be really greeeat with bad or medium graphics where as a game with superb graphics can be such a pain and lousy that it isn't worth playing!
For me the quality of the game is more important than the outlook! |
Yeah, I never said PS3's "new" motion crap was even worthwhile. It's stupid.
So I'm gonna ask you this question if graphics "don't mean much."
Say you're playing punch out (hopefully you've played it before). Tell me what would make your experience more enjoyable. You play the NES version where you see your guy punch the opponent... great and fun back in 1984. Now say you see it in 3D with pain oozing out of his face and sweat and blood flying off of his face when you punch him in DIFFERENT ways. So I'm not downplaying gameplay, just merely exhibiting graphics can make a huge difference in your experience. So honestly, simply a yes or no, wouldn't you find the more graphically impressive game more enjoyable given the SAME controls? If you say yes, I'm not saying graphics are more important than gameplay and vice versa. I'm simply saying graphics do matter.
Also, you don't mention anything about games. You asked me why people will buy a PS3. I said they'll buy it for the francises that were on the previous iterations. While focusing on hardware is nice and all, if someone doesn't like Mario/Zelda/Metroid, then it's worthless to get a Wii no matter how "cool" the controller is. And there's no reason to get a PS3 unless you like their franchises. There's no reason in having a graphical power house if you don't like any of the games. There's no reason in having an innovate control scheme if you don't like any of the games. So the whole battle in the hardware sense is worthless unless the specific person WANTS to play games on the systems.
Don't forget the cube "bombed" in comparison to the ps2 and the 64 to the ps1 because Nintendo lost some of their important franchises to Sony. The biggest was the Final Fantasy franchise. In general, they lost Square which produced some insanely great titles for Sony. Capcom moved its popular fighters to the Sega, Sony, and Microsoft systems such as Marvel vs Capcom 2 and Street Fighter 3. The Cube's most impressive third party title was Resident Evil 4 which was supposed to be exclusive. Unfortunately it made its way to the PS2.
The point is that the Cube is a much better piece of hardware than the PS2 at a cheaper price. It got TRUMPED hard by the PS2 because in general, people wanted the PS2 franchises more.
So finally... The PS3 won't "sell more" because it's a graphical power house. The Wii won't "sell more" because it's innovative. It is all about what games are coming out for the systems. |
Well I totally agree on that! When I said that graphics don't matter much for me, I meant that at that level of graphics that Wii is, I wouldn't really need the graphics of PS3. Of course it's more enjoyable to play a game with good graphics IF the game is Good!
In the end it comes to only games, they are the once that make the buyer buy what he buys!
You're right there, Thanks! | Whong wrote: |
| Kelcey wrote: | | Whong wrote: | | Kelcey wrote: | | Whong wrote: | | But I don't see why would people buy PS3, because its so expecive! |
Why did people buy ps2's and ps1's? Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Grand Theft Auto, Gran Turismo, and a whole crap load of other franchises. Those 4 major franchises have already been confirmed for the PS3. I don't know about you, but I won't spend 200 dollars on a system that isn't FOR ME (can be for you) just because it's cheaper.
I don't like Sony or the decisions they've made, but I'm stuck with it because I love Final Fantasy and it looks like Square is well behind the PS3. That is all I need to justify buying the system. I won't pay 600 for it though. Definitely will wait for it to come down.
| ltbennett wrote: | | I have no opinion on the PS3 until ive played on it but i hear that is simalar to the xbox 360 at a blown up price the RRP at the moment is about £500 or about $450!!! that alot of money considering that the xbox 360 premium system now costs only £150 or about $120 |
What do you consider similar?
The 360 uses a DVD drive with an add-on HD DVD drive while the PS3 uses a blu-ray drive.
The PS3 uses the Cell processor which is clearly a different architecture than that of the 3 core 360 set up.
They both use different graphics card technology.
The PS3 uses bluetooth, the 360 doesn't.
Uh... how does the xbox 360 cost about 120 dollars? The premium in america is 400 while the "premium" ps3 is 600.
The PS3 controller is essentially the same as the PS2/PS1 dual shock controllers without the rumble and added motion sensor (yeah... hi nintendo). The 360 controller has rumble but no motion ability.
So yeah... they aren't similar at all. The PS3 has higher peak performance which only very few developers will be able to take advantage of because it's a pain in the *** to program for. |
PS3's motion sensor is nothing like Nintendo's motion sensor! PS3 has just made some kind of a stupid, bad version of it, just to say that they have the same like Nintendo! That is so stupid, Sony just copies from others because it hasn't enough ideas!
Nintendo brings something totally new, where as Sony is just giving the same old stuff, with just a bit better performance and more better graphics!
To tell the truth, a game can be really greeeat with bad or medium graphics where as a game with superb graphics can be such a pain and lousy that it isn't worth playing!
For me the quality of the game is more important than the outlook! |
Yeah, I never said PS3's "new" motion crap was even worthwhile. It's stupid.
So I'm gonna ask you this question if graphics "don't mean much."
Say you're playing punch out (hopefully you've played it before). Tell me what would make your experience more enjoyable. You play the NES version where you see your guy punch the opponent... great and fun back in 1984. Now say you see it in 3D with pain oozing out of his face and sweat and blood flying off of his face when you punch him in DIFFERENT ways. So I'm not downplaying gameplay, just merely exhibiting graphics can make a huge difference in your experience. So honestly, simply a yes or no, wouldn't you find the more graphically impressive game more enjoyable given the SAME controls? If you say yes, I'm not saying graphics are more important than gameplay and vice versa. I'm simply saying graphics do matter.
Also, you don't mention anything about games. You asked me why people will buy a PS3. I said they'll buy it for the francises that were on the previous iterations. While focusing on hardware is nice and all, if someone doesn't like Mario/Zelda/Metroid, then it's worthless to get a Wii no matter how "cool" the controller is. And there's no reason to get a PS3 unless you like their franchises. There's no reason in having a graphical power house if you don't like any of the games. There's no reason in having an innovate control scheme if you don't like any of the games. So the whole battle in the hardware sense is worthless unless the specific person WANTS to play games on the systems.
Don't forget the cube "bombed" in comparison to the ps2 and the 64 to the ps1 because Nintendo lost some of their important franchises to Sony. The biggest was the Final Fantasy franchise. In general, they lost Square which produced some insanely great titles for Sony. Capcom moved its popular fighters to the Sega, Sony, and Microsoft systems such as Marvel vs Capcom 2 and Street Fighter 3. The Cube's most impressive third party title was Resident Evil 4 which was supposed to be exclusive. Unfortunately it made its way to the PS2.
The point is that the Cube is a much better piece of hardware than the PS2 at a cheaper price. It got TRUMPED hard by the PS2 because in general, people wanted the PS2 franchises more.
So finally... The PS3 won't "sell more" because it's a graphical power house. The Wii won't "sell more" because it's innovative. It is all about what games are coming out for the systems. |
Well I totally agree on that! When I said that graphics don't matter much for me, I meant that at that level of graphics that Wii is, I wouldn't really need the graphics of PS3. Of course it's more enjoyable to play a game with good graphics IF the game is Good!
In the end it comes to only games, they are the once that make the buyer buy what he buys!
You're right there, Thanks! |
Sounds good. But yes, I absolutely do not like Sony for what they've done so far.
1. Stole the guide button from the 360.
2. Sorta stole or made a crappy version of the wii controller.
So please (even though you give me no evidence to think so) don't think I'm on Sony's side by any means . I love Square (even though they haven't be as good lately) so I pretty much follow them as opposed to any console company.Does anyone know when PS3 and Wii will come out to market!
Just out of curiosity.
I'll buy Wii, not PS3! If I get the money, I'm going to buy both, because it's simply a matter of gaming. While I am being taken for granted by game developers so that I can play their games, I don't care. The PS3 is going to be the most powerful console ever, and it is totally worth the money, no matter how many ideas are stolen. I know there are still plenty of people who want PS3's, so all of you that say you don't want the sweet embrace of Metal Gear Solid 4, you know you are lying to yourselves.
I wil not bye a PS3 becouse it has nothing original, i think I am going to bye a Nintendo Wii in sted.
I have a xbox 360 (and its grate)! | Whong wrote: |
Does anyone know when PS3 and Wii will come out to market!
Just out of curiosity.
I'll buy Wii, not PS3! |
PS3 is coming in November worldwide. No release date has been announced for Wii. Sometime this holiday season though.
| sogasg wrote: |
I wil not bye a PS3 becouse it has nothing original, i think I am going to bye a Nintendo Wii in sted.
I have a xbox 360 (and its grate)! |
What are the original games on the 360? Cause I can't think of any that won't end up on the PS3 or Wii in some form.PlayStation 3 is ok. But I think they approached too much with expensive console and too difficult technology. They tried to copy Nintendo, but it failed to work.
I'm really happy that Sony failed to copy/steal the control thing from Nintendo!
Well the truth is that I can't either think of anything original for the Xbox.
Well Nintendo has its original for sure, lets say like Super Smash Bros genre and Mario and The Legend of Zelda! That argument was pretty heated.
It also made me laugh at some of the moronic things said.
But enough of that.
I myself own a PS2, XBox, and GameCube.
Which one do I play most? PS2.
Why's that?
It has the best damn games.
Sure there's great, even so far as awesome games that I love for the other systems.
But overall, most games were made for the PS2.
In terms of controllers, the PS2's has the best feel.
XBox' is just plain annoying.
Button layout makes me want to cry.
Cube's isn't bad, not at all.
Just over the years I've gotten accustomed to the PS.
Hell, it reminds me of SNES controllers.
Also, I absolutely love being able to copy my games to the PS2's HDD.
Then I just load that baby up, bam, dramatically lowered load times.
Play online? Sure.
Run it through my router and I don't have to pay for an extra connection.
And yes, I know I can do the same for XBox...
But I don't want to pay for Live.
I already pay for my internet connection, why pay for that also?
Truth be told though.
PS3 pricetag is a nightmare.
I was reluctant to dish out the $3-400 when the PS2 came out.
Now I'm expected to pay even more? No sir.
I think I built my computer for about $600.
It does alot more than the PS3 probably can.
As for a gaming console, I'm not interested in fancy stuff.
I want a console that plays and plays well.
If only someone could make a console that emulated the others and was compatible with all disc-types.
It would be alot of work, but in the end, that would beatdown any competition.
Which is possible I'm assuming, seeing as the disc-data structure isn't what's copyrighted, the system is.
And remember, these are facts!
Hahahaha...I'm such a loser.
Taken into my "opinions aren't facts" arguement, weren't you, qube?
However, the it "has the best damn games" point is opinion, just being nerdy, because I can.
It'll still have alot of power, which is all I care abo- METAL GEAR SOLID 4: GUNS OF THE PATRIOTS! Huh, that was strange.
Gotta love sarcasm.
I had hoped anyone who read those last 2 lines would pick it up.
Butttttt, back on topic.
I'm not gonna make any real decisions on if the PS3 is worth it 'til I can test it.
When it comes out, time to visit the local gameshop.
Hurrah for freeloading.
| Qube wrote: |
I think I built my computer for about $600.
It does alot more than the PS3 probably can.
As for a gaming console, I'm not interested in fancy stuff.
I want a console that plays and plays well.
|
They'll do different things. Your computer won't be able to play blu-ray. Furthermore, the PS3 will have linux on it, so that shrinks the gap. But yeah, it's not as upgradeable as your computer. Finally, the PS3 for 600 is faster and more powerful than your computer. If you tell me that your 600 dollar computer has a processor more powerful than the Cell, a graphics card at least as powerful as a 7800GT, and a blu ray drive, show me where you buy your parts.The only way I can really reply is I agree.
The PS3 is meant to do the things it does well.
My computer is meant to do MANY things fairly well.
When I can run a server, post on [FriHost] forums, photoshop an image, and various other things I use my comp for, then I'll gladly bow down to that $600 pricetag.
| Reaper wrote: |
Funny didn't nitendo steal the wii's name? dont the french say wii? Well anyways, the wii is another nice council, but its what I call a babys council, its just like the gay game cube with the favorite locked screen games. For those of us on the forums who prefer "real" games then the xbox 360 and ps3 is for you.
Whats sad is they make awesome games for the nitendo systems and then put them on what else? the sucky game cube or DS, why not put those games on real councils like the xbox, ps2, ps3, or xbox 360. |
Ok look I was going to deal with your crap dissing the wii and being a macho sony supporter and acting like you know what you are talking about, but bottom line is that sony makes crap products (notice how there is a thread "why psp sucks") and microsoft had to do a total recall on all of thier units because they didn't realize that they had a horrible bug because of selfishness. Sony is taking a good idea (what the wii was based off of) and putting it on thier system, they aren't going to suceed because they are going to have mostly sports games which aren't going to even use the remote's functionalbility because really which maden fan is going to want to pwn his friend by directing his team members with a remote. Nintendo knows who thier audience is and they make games around that, warioware is going to be an awesome game, a game that is going to show off the creative-ness of nintendo. And another thing you need to learn how to spell because council and console are two totally different things. Oh I think you just got told. n00b | Reaper wrote: |
Do I think you care about my opinions? Well usually I would say no but you must care about my opinions to respond so passionately to my posts.
Also your assuming that I in fact have not played the game cube when you made your reply, only one problem with that, I have played the game cube before.
Not a person? Why thank you, I take that as a compliment because if I were a person like you then I would seriously have to shoot my self in the head.
I don't really care what type of zombies they are? The fact is they still attack you off your screen.
But there is one thing about your post that impresses me, and its how you managed to use a censored word almost every single sentence.
Also due to popular request I ran this post though a spell checker, and guess what there were only two or three spelling mistakes in it buddy.
Also your right he mentioned nothing-about wow, but what you don't get is that I’m comparing the game cube to that computer. He said the console does not matter? Well that’s not true, if I took away your console but bought you say 800$ worth of games you would not be able to play a sing |