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Yantaal
wow, PS3 are so desperate that they ar ecopying The Revolution then.(yes im well are are its called the Wii)

so, they have nintendo game designers, nintendo functions in the console, and have probably ripped x-box somewhere as well.

I feel this sums it up:

http://ps3remote.ytmnsfw.com/

what wont they steel?
rightclickscott
You know what I think? That post is now going into Forum Fun!

Either way, Sony is getting alot of criticism about this, but the PS3 is already going to be super powerful, and the motion capture technology was just something that Sony wanted to get in on. Sure, it may be stealing, but what if we want to play some cool motion capture games on the PS3? Will MGS4 use this motion capture for some cool new feature? We'll just have to wait and see.
Ramblerinos
PS3 is doomed, failed. Nohting but unorgional copy cats.

give me good old fashioned nintendo anyday, at least they have their own ideas.

x-box are just massive, what can i say, door stops. foot rests, maybe console, if you have room for it.

Revolution, sorted.
AdamantMonk
I was planning on buying one but then it hit me how every single playstation product has been an incredibly fragile peice of hardware and, while I may be ready to shell out $700 for what appears to be an awesome system, I'm not ready to do it twice.

My opinion on the Laser-Wireless controller fun? Corporate espionage is a big deal but hey, if it's for an immersive experience, I'm all for it! Don't hate Sony for stealing an idea (let he who is without sin cast the first stone kinda, rite?) Hate them for ALWAYS making a must-have smaller version of their console just as your bulky oversized one is starting to get dusty.

Ok this is kinda ranty but if I see enough "My PS3 Is Broke What Do I Do????????????????????????????????" posts online then I'll know I'm better off not buying.
Reaper
well we can either believe the two or three people who hate sony, or we can look at the statistics, and they say that sonys ps2 is the most popular council game to ever come out on the market.
Lets face it, is copying really copying if you improve on the design and make a council that kicks the shit out of the competition? plus a lot of the ps3's features are new to the gaming world so you can't say they didn't throw in their own styles and ideas.
Also your ps2 broke? it might help if you actually took care of it, you know the normal stuff like not kicking it, throwing the control at it when the AI owns your sorry ass, oh yeah and properly shutting the cd drive door instead of kicking it or shoving it shut.
If you say that you have not done any of the above at least once to your council then your lieing though your rotting teeth Smile
euxapi
I think that the PS3 is priced way too high to succeed. The price was announced at E3: $499 for 20 GB HDD version and $599 for 60 GB HDD version. Only hardcore gamers are going to get one.

Plus, the PS3 is copying from Microsoft and Nintendo. They copied Microsoft's pricing model (two different versions) and they copied Nintendo's motion sensitive system.

Personally, I'm not going to buy a PS3 for quite sometime (I'm going to wait until the prices go down).
nbwbhst
So what if PS3 took a bunch of good ideas from other companies and then added in a bunch of new stuff of there own. I mean if you wanna talk about stealing stuff lets talk about Xbox/microsoft owner Bill Gates... God knows who he stole that idea from ;/ but anyways. I have been an avid Playstation fan and will continue to fork out the money because I have always been pleased. Only thing that will keep me from buying a Ps3 will be building a new computer because I think that will be the only thing better than the PS3, because PC games are so cheap and easy to obtain, the gfx and speed is totally dependant on what you put into it..
Reaper
True but building a custom computer that runs nicely is not that hard, nor costly. Also who needs a computer? after all the ps3 will be able to run linux, and you can't say that about the xbox 360 or nitendos wii. Power to the new super computer/ council gaming system Smile
driftingfe3s
Sure they are copying the Wii, but the controler's motion dectors are not nearly as robust as Wii's. I think it was just a tatic to show people who don't do thier research that PS3 has Wii's features as well, and won't know that Wii's controller has much more control and then possibly buy the PS3 instead.

I think it shows that they are also scared and didn't have enough faith in thier own system that they had to copy what Nintendo was doing.
StabWound
i dont really care if they steal stuff or not, but i think sony is the best gaming entertainment company around. you sound like a hardcore nintendo gamer, and theres nothing wrong with that, but i must say sony has been putting up MAJOR compation for every other copany around.
pokethamage
One thing: wow.

Did they really expect us to not see the resemblences to the Wii? They MUST BE really dumb...

Well that cleared the way for me...screw PS3, get the Wii...rhymes too...lol
Reaper
Funny didn't nitendo steal the wii's name? dont the french say wii? Well anyways, the wii is another nice council, but its what I call a babys council, its just like the gay game cube with the favorite locked screen games. For those of us on the forums who prefer "real" games then the xbox 360 and ps3 is for you.
Whats sad is they make awesome games for the nitendo systems and then put them on what else? the sucky game cube or DS, why not put those games on real councils like the xbox, ps2, ps3, or xbox 360.
linkman2004
Reaper: First of all it's consoles not councils. Second, it seems you are one of the only people who thinks that the DS stinks. Third, Nintendo has plenty of these so called "Real games", just look at Resident Evil 4 or Red Steel. And fourth, alot of people think that first-party Nintendo games rock way more then most games out there. Just because you think that Nintendo sucks doesn't mean other people do to.

That being said I don't see a whole lot of chance for the PS3. I can imagine if they were able to price it at $400 it would have more chances, but it seems that $500 - $600 is way to much for most gamers.
Nameless
Reaper wrote:
Funny didn't nitendo steal the wii's name? dont the french say wii? Well anyways, the wii is another nice council, but its what I call a babys council, its just like the gay game cube with the favorite locked screen games. For those of us on the forums who prefer "real" games then the xbox 360 and ps3 is for you.
Whats sad is they make awesome games for the nitendo systems and then put them on what else? the sucky game cube or DS, why not put those games on real councils like the xbox, ps2, ps3, or xbox 360.

You have NO idea how much I want to flame you now. That has got to be one of the most utterly, utterly... ...and I'll just stop there. Fill in the blank yourself.

First of all, your spelling is hopeless. I'm not normally one to complain, not being the best speller myself, but you're opinions will be taken more seriously if they are written legibly. The same for grammar.

Second of all, saying that Nintendo stole the Wii's name is like saying Sony stole the name for the Play Station 2, since all those three words already existed. Just because Wii sounds like another word in another language has got to be the worst criticisms of the name I've heard.

Thirdly, calling the Game Cube and DS 'sucky', 'gay' and 'baby's console' is not only rather immature, but without any evidence to back up those claims you just sound like another stupid console fan boy, even if you aren't.

Fourthly, you say the Game Cube and DS are poor consoles, but then you go on to say that Nintendo make 'awesome' games. This sounds somewhat contradictory, seeing as a console is DEFINED by the games on it. A console by itself is meaningless, after all. And, once again, you fail to give a reason why Nintendo's console is any less 'real' than Sony or Microsoft.

I don't mean to sound too rude or harsh, but without giving evidence for your claims, or even bothering to run your post past a spell checker, you're not going to be taken very seriously.
Yantaal
peopole are so narrow minded the next person to insult it is admitting to being a homo
Frag
Lets be honest, why in the earth would Sony want to copy the "wii" also known as the "worst console in human history"

Lets go through the stupid site yantaal put up

Well seeing that the playstation had rumble before the n64 did thats wrong straight away, dont you remember the add on pack you put in the big ass controller.

How can you steal the anologue stick as they have been there since gaming begun, its a common thing on arcade machines, so no nintendo did not create this.

Everyone uses 3rd party developers egit.

Oh btw if your saying all this crap remember that the ps2 and the xbox had remotes for there consoles (though they only controlled the dvd an other features still they were remotes for consoles) So nintendo have copied on that one.

Yantaal get a brain you "homo" as you put it.
AdamantMonk
It's kind of odd how out of the last gen of consoles, the PS2 had the worst graphics, and was the least powerful(in most respects.), yet sold the most.

Then this go-round we have the PS3 being a behemoth of a console, CGI quality graphics (they said at least. that MGS4 tralier could as just as well been on Xbox 360 from my perspective.) Blu-ray tech standard, all the bells and whistles.

People are suddenly assuming this seals the fate of every console, assuring PS3 will come out victorious in the console war. "Those who do not know the past are doomed to repeat it." The same thing happened with the Xbox. People claiming it to be the master of all consoles, Stock HDD, The first real online service(all the bells and whistles), but clearly it didn't suceed or at least perform as expected in the eyes of many.


You have to expect your console to at least take a short drop or bang or two here and there. You gotta be able to smoke indoors or allow dust to roam free even with a next-gen console in you home's presence. To not expect these things, as a consumer (and more importantly a creator of this aforementioned next-gen console) it's fool-hardy not to.

I am under the impression that most of the statistics on SCE products are skewed based on the fraglity. I'd have to say at least half of them are sales to purchsers that have already owned one, or are bundled with sales of the PS2 mini (bought by many to replace their previous (even functional) PS2) and cannot be relied upon solely.

Sony has alienated a large portion of their consumer base by the price of their console, but it's safe to say only the test of time will prove which console will be on top this generation.
Reaper
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Thirdly, calling the Game Cube and DS 'sucky', 'gay' and 'baby's console' is not only rather immature, but without any evidence to back up those claims you just sound like another stupid console fan boy, even if you aren't.

First of all it is true, the game cube was designed to be played by little kids. Just look at a lot of the games out there for the game cube, mario cart, pokemon, and sonic. Need i go on? Yes there are a few "Adult" games like resident evil, but as much as I love being killed by a zombie off screen, i prefer to be killed by one on screen.
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Fourthly, you say the Game Cube and DS are poor consoles, but then you go on to say that Nintendo make 'awesome' games. This sounds somewhat contradictory, seeing as a console is DEFINED by the games on it. A console by itself is meaningless, after all. And, once again, you fail to give a reason why Nintendo's console is any less 'real' than Sony or Microsoft.

So if the counsole its self is meaning less as you say then I could say play world of warcraft on say a 8 year old windows me computer with say 90 ram? enough said moron.

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Reaper: First of all it's consoles not councils. Second, it seems you are one of the only people who thinks that the DS stinks

You know you really shouldn't bitch about other peoples spelling then turn around and make one in the same sentance, I'm one person not a group of people last I checked. But hell what do I know right maby i really am several "People" but i doubt it.
SilverDogg
wow! just utterly wow! i cant believe how moronic some ppl are.

yeah, the cube was designed for kids, just as the ps2 was designed for pornaddicts. dont believe me? check the japanese titles for ps2. go on, i can wait. find any porntitles? if you say yes, which you most likely will unless you are a moron, then the ps2 MUST be a pornconsole.

give me a break, we dont need stupid shit like that. gamecube is as much a kiddyconsole as the others are.

second, if you dont want to buy a ds lite, then dont do it. if you feel you MUST buy it because they release it, you are an idiot. i will buy it, because i love the looks of it, and i want a bit smaller console. am i unsatisfied with my ds phat because of this? nope. i should probably mention that i am a collector aswell, and want lots and lots of consoles, and i am probably the only one like this in my friendbase (others sell their ds phat to get money for ds lite for example).


ANYWAY! this thread was about the ps3, not anything else.

any interesting stuff for me on it? no.

crappy blu-ray? no thanks. im perfectly fine with my dvd, and it will probably last me a couple of more years until i can buy a blu-ray/hd-dvdplayer for the same price i can buy a good dvdplayer today.
high pricetag? no thank you! i dont make a lot of money, i dont want to take two jobs at the same time as studying. i want to be able to buy atleast one or two games at the same time i buy the console itself, and still not go over $400 or so. and dont even give me some ****** crap about the "lite" ps3.

i think i will get myself a wii, and then an xbox360 when the price is better. ps3? well, when the pricetag is looow, and there is interesting games, maybe. but right now, i preferm cheap and good before expensive and crappy.
rightclickscott
Let's see, who do I quote first? I'll just go in order:

StabWound wrote:
i dont really care if they steal stuff or not, but i think sony is the best gaming entertainment company around. you sound like a hardcore nintendo gamer, and theres nothing wrong with that, but i must say sony has been putting up MAJOR compation for every other copany around.


Well said, brother, well said...

Reaper wrote:
Funny didn't nitendo steal the wii's name? dont the french say wii? Well anyways, the wii is another nice council, but its what I call a babys council, its just like the gay game cube with the favorite locked screen games. For those of us on the forums who prefer "real" games then the xbox 360 and ps3 is for you.
Whats sad is they make awesome games for the nitendo systems and then put them on what else? the sucky game cube or DS, why not put those games on real councils like the xbox, ps2, ps3, or xbox 360.


Wow, well aren't you a dumbass. The sound of the name "Wii" is used in almost every language, that's why they chose such a name. It's not stealing from one language, it's uniting all of them. The only other word that's in nearly every language is "no," but that would give a negative response. You honestly don't think we care about your opinions on the Gamecube and DS, right? I've had more fun on my Gamecube than I ever did on my PS2 or Xbox, and the DS just has way better games than the PSP. Games aren't about being adult, they're about being fun and playable. You should learn to look in retrospect before you act like a jackass. I, also, may not have the best grammar, but Nameless is right, start typing legibly, please.

Yantaal wrote:
peopole are so narrow minded the next person to insult it is admitting to being a homo


One of my greatest quotes was "You really can't make an honest opinion when the first comment you have about something is about it being gay."

Frag wrote:
Lets be honest, why in the earth would Sony want to copy the "wii" also known as the "worst console in human history"

Lets go through the stupid site yantaal put up

Well seeing that the playstation had rumble before the n64 did thats wrong straight away, dont you remember the add on pack you put in the big *** controller.

How can you steal the anologue stick as they have been there since gaming begun, its a common thing on arcade machines, so no nintendo did not create this.

Everyone uses 3rd party developers egit.

Oh btw if your saying all this crap remember that the ps2 and the xbox had remotes for there consoles (though they only controlled the dvd an other features still they were remotes for consoles) So nintendo have copied on that one.

Yantaal get a brain you "homo" as you put it.


Watch it, kid. You don't want to end up like Reaper.

Reaper wrote:
First of all it is true, the game cube was designed to be played by little kids. Just look at a lot of the games out there for the game cube, mario cart, pokemon, and sonic. Need i go on? Yes there are a few "Adult" games like resident evil, but as much as I love being killed by a zombie off screen, i prefer to be killed by one on screen.

So if the counsole its self is meaning less as you say then I could say play world of warcraft on say a 8 year old windows me computer with say 90 ram? enough said moron.

You know you really shouldn't bitch about other peoples spelling then turn around and make one in the same sentance, I'm one person not a group of people last I checked. But hell what do I know right maby i really am several "People" but i doubt it.


Oh my god, you are such a dumbass! Everything you said here isn't fact, so don't refer to it as fact, you ******! Everything you said was opinion, which I normally would have no problem with seeing as how I can't argue someone's opinion, seeing as how that is what they believe, but when you start calling your ignorant opinions fact, then I really get pissed off! The way you talk, you sound like you've never even played the games your talking about! You don't get attacked off screen by, well, not even zombie, they're ****** ganados, and you don't get attack like that because of the new camera control scheme! And you haven't spelled "Console" right! What the ****** are you talking about "then I could say play world of warcraft on say a 8 year old windows me computer with say 90 ram," Nameless said nothing about WoW! You ****** idiot, maybe you should start playing the games you burn before you start burning them, because you can't make an honest opinion about something without having a firsthand experience with it! I hate ignorant morons like you who call themselves gamers and don't even form opinions based on fact about real games! You are not a gamer, in any respect! Hell, you are not even a person!!!

Ok, that's enough. No more Nintendo bashing in this thread, because it's about the PS3 and not "how much nintendo suxorz." So Reaper, just shut the ****** up and start a whole other thread so we may burn you.
Reaper
Do I think you care about my opinions? Well usually I would say no but you must care about my opinions to respond so passionately to my posts.
Also your assuming that I in fact have not played the game cube when you made your reply, only one problem with that, I have played the game cube before.
Not a person? Why thank you, I take that as a compliment because if I were a person like you then I would seriously have to shoot my self in the head.
I don't really care what type of zombies they are? The fact is they still attack you off your screen.
But there is one thing about your post that impresses me, and its how you managed to use a censored word almost every single sentence.
Also due to popular request I ran this post though a spell checker, and guess what there were only two or three spelling mistakes in it buddy.
Also your right he mentioned nothing-about wow, but what you don't get is that I’m comparing the game cube to that computer. He said the console does not matter? Well that’s not true, if I took away your console but bought you say 800$ worth of games you would not be able to play a single one because you don’t have a console to play it on.
If you still don't under stand it let me further explain, the console is like your computer, in which you need a graphics card, ram, and of course a CD player in order to play the game. If your consoles graphics card can't handle the graphics in the game then the console cannot play that game. If your console does not have enough ram then your game play slows down, if your CD player cannot read the CD then it can’t play the game in the first place. So what use is the world’s best game if your console can't play it?
You say people don't take you seriously if you don't spell properly? Well that is equally true to using swearwords almost every sentence buddy.
Ok now on topic. I happen to believe that the ps3 will be the best console out there for one simple reason, if you take a look at whats under the hood then you would realize it blows away all the other consoles currently on the market.
Although I do admit Nintendo may redeem them self’s with the Nintendo Wii.
rightclickscott
Reaper wrote:
Do I think you care about my opinions? Well usually I would say no but you must care about my opinions to respond so passionately to my posts.
Also your assuming that I in fact have not played the game cube when you made your reply, only one problem with that, I have played the game cube before.
Not a person? Why thank you, I take that as a compliment because if I were a person like you then I would seriously have to shoot my self in the head.
I don't really care what type of zombies they are? The fact is they still attack you off your screen.
But there is one thing about your post that impresses me, and its how you managed to use a censored word almost every single sentence.
Also due to popular request I ran this post though a spell checker, and guess what there were only two or three spelling mistakes in it buddy.
Also your right he mentioned nothing-about wow, but what you don't get is that I’m comparing the game cube to that computer. He said the console does not matter? Well that’s not true, if I took away your console but bought you say 800$ worth of games you would not be able to play a single one because you don’t have a console to play it on.
If you still don't under stand it let me further explain, the console is like your computer, in which you need a graphics card, ram, and of course a CD player in order to play the game. If your consoles graphics card can't handle the graphics in the game then the console cannot play that game. If your console does not have enough ram then your game play slows down, if your CD player cannot read the CD then it can’t play the game in the first place. So what use is the world’s best game if your console can't play it?
You say people don't take you seriously if you don't spell properly? Well that is equally true to using swearwords almost every sentence buddy.
Ok now on topic. I happen to believe that the ps3 will be the best console out there for one simple reason, if you take a look at whats under the hood then you would realize it blows away all the other consoles currently on the market.
Although I do admit Nintendo may redeem them self’s with the Nintendo Wii.


I don't want to get into a huge fight, because I respect the opinions of other people, but the reason I'm angry at you, which I've posted before, is that you refered to your opinions, which came together through speculation, as facts. Your opinions are not facts. Facts are the exact opposite of opinions. I get angry at people who think that all of their opinions are facts, when they are all put together through the person's opinions. Do you understand me? I'm sorry if I made myself to philisophical for you to understand.

Now, as for you not being able to spell properly, are you telling me that this post had only 3 spelling and grammar errors in it:
Reaper wrote:
Funny didn't nitendo steal the wii's name? dont the french say wii? Well anyways, the wii is another nice council, but its what I call a babys council, its just like the gay game cube with the favorite locked screen games. For those of us on the forums who prefer "real" games then the xbox 360 and ps3 is for you.
Whats sad is they make awesome games for the nitendo systems and then put them on what else? the sucky game cube or DS, why not put those games on real councils like the xbox, ps2, ps3, or xbox 360.

Enough said about your spelling...

Now, you also say that people don't take other people seriously if they swear alot? I wouldn't have to swear if you didn't make me angry. Plus, I swear like a ****** pirate normally, and that's just how I talk, but I will fling insults at people who piss me off. I just want to get a point through your thick skull, that OPINIONS ARE NOT FACTS. It seems like the only way you'll sit down and read another person's post is if there is something eyecatching, such as lots of swears or a quote by them, seeing as how this is a big board full of forums. I just wanted to make sure you read about how much I hate people like you, and really, the way I was raised, it's very hard for me to any group of people, at all.

Here is the thing about consoles:
THEY ARE COMPUTERS.
They are made the exact same ways as computers, the run the same ways as computers, they act just like computers, and most of all, they need everything computers need. The reason they aren't refered to as Personal Computers is because they are dumbed down and made for commercial use, and not meant to be personal in any way, shape, or form. Still, there is no need to keep saying that consoles are "like" computers, because they ARE computers.

Also, in any game like RE4, even games for the Xbox, PS2, or the PC, enemies will attack you off screen. If there is an enemy in your blindspot, they can attack you off screen. However, in RE4, if you aren't good enough or don't have enough skill to deal with enemies behind you, then you are bad at the game, and you shouldn't even be playing it. I'm good enough to deal because I use conservative skills, I.E. using the instant turn around, knife shots to the head, something I have dubbed "The Neo Move" (which is where you shoot or knife someone in the head, they fall back into the crowd, and you follow them and kick him while he's still hurt, and hit not only him, but the entire crowd), saving all of my TMP and Magnum rounds for boss fights, and only using the Handgun, if ever, and maybe the shotgun if I'm in a tight spot, and selling all of unneeded rounds. I would use the Chicago Typewriter, the Handcannon, and the Infinite Rocket Launcher, but it makes professional mode alot less challenging, and pretty much not worth playing. I wish there was more to Merc mode, but after I got all the levels with a 5 star score with all characters, there isn't anything left to do. I'd play the PS2 version if my PS2 wasn't broken! Grr...

Either way, dude, I think I made my point across, and if you were too retarded to figure it out, opinions ARE NOT FACTS!

Ok, now will you stop being such a douche, stop trying to get back at me, and can we continue this topic? Geez, I would put it in forum fun if it wasn't so much of a chore to show how much of an idiot you are.
Reaper
When have I ever during my entire time on these forums have I ever EVER said my opinions are fact? Far as I can remember I never said that. It's not my fault that you are interpeting my opinions as facts, try interpreting opinions as just that opinions.
Consoles are not considered computers for one reason; they have no OS like Linux or windows XP running. But the new Ps3 is rumored to have Linux installed on it for free.
On that zombies attacking off screen subject again you misunderstood what i typed, your assuming I’m talking about resident evil 4 but I’m pretty sure there are more zombie games then RE4, specifically I was making fun of all of the game cube games out there that lock your screen in place. For example you’re walking down a hall way and your views are always like security cameras stuck in the walls.

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I ran this post though a spell checker

Yes I know I’m quoting myself here but its necessary. I ran this post though a spell checker as in the post you were reading when you read that, not my previous posts.
I mean no offense by this but you have never made any comments on WHY you Think the ps3 is an excellent console or not. Just to clarify this for you so you don't misunderstand again I have indeed commented on what I think of the ps3s capabilities as a gaming system.
Also for future reference what I happen to hate are people who pretend they understand everything, and no I don't pretend that I know everything or understand everything because that would be foolish to think I have learned all the knowledge in the world.
If you don't want to argue with people (yes an argument is a fight just not in physical terms), Then you shouldn't be on forums because that's the basic purpose of a forum to state your idea's or thoughts and to prove people right or wrong.
So if you have a problem with the fact that I think Nintendo’s game cube for the most part was a horrible system tough luck.
I have no problem with Nintendo’s Wii just to make that clear, I was just commenting on the name, I wouldn't want you to misunderstand for the 60th time so I figured I would state that. And please don’t make me have to spell out every single one of my posts to you because it’s a complete waste of my time.
rightclickscott
Reaper wrote:
First of all it is true, the game cube was designed to be played by little kids. Just look at a lot of the games out there for the game cube, mario cart, pokemon, and sonic. Need i go on? Yes there are a few "Adult" games like resident evil, but as much as I love being killed by a zombie off screen, i prefer to be killed by one on screen.


That's clearly speculation, not fact, buddy.

Reaper wrote:
Consoles are not considered computers for one reason; they have no OS like Linux or windows XP running. But the new Ps3 is rumored to have Linux installed on it for free.


Yeah, about that. Since you just happen to be refering to operating systems, you have to take into account that the Gamecube's, the PS2's, and the Xbox's run off of operating systems made specifically by their respective companys. While you may not consider it an OS, a Windows, or Linux, it's still an operating system nontheless. Why is it an operating system? Because it's a system that freakin' operates to say the least.

Resident Evil 4 is basically the only real survival horror game for the Gamecube, so if your counting the atrocious Resident Evil X, don't blame Nintendo, because Capcom put those games on the Playstation first. Otherwise, what the ****** else third party pieces of shit could you be talking about?

rightclickscott wrote:
Either way, Sony is getting alot of criticism about this, but the PS3 is already going to be super powerful, and the motion capture technology was just something that Sony wanted to get in on. Sure, it may be stealing, but what if we want to play some cool motion capture games on the PS3? Will MGS4 use this motion capture for some cool new feature? We'll just have to wait and see.


I made this post before you started posting in this topic, so you should probably read the entire thread before you accuse people not following the topic.

At what point did I say I not only knew everything in the world, or did I say that I hated them? All I said was I hate people who can't differ fact from opinion.

I usually don't start flame wars. Like I said, I'm a very laid back person. but the way you presented your posts with your grammar errors, you sounded like your opinions were all facts, and not opinions. That's one reason why you should read not only everything everyone else says, but everything you say.

I think it's good that you have an opinion on the Gamecube, as much as I disagree with it. But just like Jack Thompson and tons of other morons and Christian Evangelists, you're opinions can't be changed because of simple mindedness.

For your last paragraph that I don't feel like quoting, my comment about the Wii was basically trying to correct you, or to enlighten you on why it's called Wii. What I'm mad about is how you refered to games on the Gamecube as not being "real" games, and, once again, this is your opinion, but it's been made quite clear that all throughout the world that games on the Gamecube are, in fact, real games. You also said the DS is sucky, even though it is very clear that the games on it are much better than it's leading competitor, the PSP. I guess you're sitting alone on that one...

I want to wrap this up with one last thought, just stop it. I'm sick of all of this fighting, because it's not getting anywhere. I've learned that there is no point in fighting with simple minded people. They can't be persuaded into thinking on the other side of the arguement. Now, I see your points, and I respect the fact that you are actually able to form your own opinions, unlike alot of people in the world. Infact, I actually kind of liked this debate. It broke up the tedium of my otherwise normal day. All I wanted you to do was to get you thinking, and you've come up with some, well, bigger posts, and you've tried hard to get around alot of my shots, and at times, you actually succeeded. While you've got a long way to go you actually thinking openmindedly, you've shown alittle improvement today. I still don't agree with your opinions, and I certainly do not think that any consoles in a respective generation is "better" or "suckier" than another, but I hope you've learned alittle bit about yourself an the way you think from this little quarel. Brava, you've made slightly more success today than the previous day. So, I think you still have one more question, why did I wait till the end of this post to reveal that I was testing you? Because of Frihost points. I love me some Frihost points.
Reaper
Who doesn't like Frihost points Question But not even Microsoft calls there console a computer though, they instead call them gaming machines, Sony had to go out of its way to add a well known OS And get the computer label on there game to make sure no-one made a mistake and called it a simple next gen console.
You must admit though that being able to use things like Photoshop on the ps3 will be an excellent feature wouldn't you agree?
Maybe if Nintendo upgraded their remotes for the Game Cube it wouldn't be so bad but still Nintendo still built the game Cube to specifically target kids from say 5 yrs to 11 yrs old.
As they say it was their target audience, they never had any real intention on attracting an adult audience with their console system. That was purely Cap coms doing.
Well I doubt we will ever 100% prove each others opinions wrong so I guess this topic is a stale mate. Shocked
rightclickscott
Reaper wrote:
Who doesn't like Frihost points Question But not even Microsoft calls there console a computer though, they instead call them gaming machines, Sony had to go out of its way to add a well known OS And get the computer label on there game to make sure no-one made a mistake and called it a simple next gen console.
You must admit though that being able to use things like Photoshop on the ps3 will be an excellent feature wouldn't you agree?
Maybe if Nintendo upgraded their remotes for the Game Cube it wouldn't be so bad but still Nintendo still built the game Cube to specifically target kids from say 5 yrs to 11 yrs old.
As they say it was their target audience, they never had any real intention on attracting an adult audience with their console system. That was purely Cap coms doing.
Well I doubt we will ever 100% prove each others opinions wrong so I guess this topic is a stale mate. Shocked


Yeah, sure, whatever. I don't see how Photoshop on a PS3 would be useful, seeing as how it would just be easier to use it on a computer. While consoles may not be refered to as computers, they are still built and programed the same way, and only made for mass marketing. That's why it's really not a good idea to put an operating system on the PS3, because it wouldn't be a console anymore, and that's why the price simply skyrocketed.

Well, Shigeru Miyamoto is basically as kid inside, but that doesn't really change the fact that, in order to respect and be open-minded about gaming, Adults play it too, and Nintendo really got the shaft when it came to third party developers. I just wish Silicon Knights made more games for them.

Also, it's pretty much impossible to disprove an opinion. The best thing you can do is oppose it or if the other party amends it.
Pablo Diablo
Everyone keeps nailing the PS3 for "stealing", but no one seems to be remembering how the xbox when it first came out stole many game ideas from Sony.
Whong
Yantaal wrote:
wow, PS3 are so desperate that they ar ecopying The Revolution then.(yes im well are are its called the Wii)

so, they have nintendo game designers, nintendo functions in the console, and have probably ripped x-box somewhere as well.

I feel this sums it up:

http://ps3remote.ytmnsfw.com/

what wont they steel?


I'd say that Sony is a cheap company putting heavy prices on stuff that they steal from others! Idea Evil or Very Mad

First they stole Nintendo's Game Boy, made the PSP, which in my opinion is just junk!( Sorry if I've offended someone!) Now they stolen Wii's idea from Nintendo, darn that is so nasty! Evil or Very Mad Idea

Well since the price tag is going to be around 600-750$/€ it won't probably be that popular, I atleast from the bottom of my heart hope that Sony would fail by its PS3! Laughing Exclamation

Oh boy, what a "Wheany", man I hate Sony!

PS3 will lose to Wii, I really hope so! Wink Idea
Whong
Reaper wrote:
Funny didn't nitendo steal the wii's name? dont the french say wii? Well anyways, the wii is another nice council, but its what I call a babys council, its just like the gay game cube with the favorite locked screen games. For those of us on the forums who prefer "real" games then the xbox 360 and ps3 is for you.
Whats sad is they make awesome games for the nitendo systems and then put them on what else? the sucky game cube or DS, why not put those games on real councils like the xbox, ps2, ps3, or xbox 360.


Hey! The PS1 consoles and Xbox came way later than Nintendo (NES) and I'd like to note to you that Nintendo is the real deal, not some PS or XBox! Personally I've not got anything against the Xbox, but lot against PS!

Nintendo's games are not baby's and Game Cube is not gay! Evil or Very Mad Idea

KJV Matthew 7:4 wrote:
Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the twig out of thine eye; and, behold, a stick is in thine own eye?


You should think about what I mean by that Quote! Wink

Nintendo isn't a baby's console, it's for everybody! Xbox, PS are so much for making games for adults that they forget the kids and families that want some fun and not only bloodshed! Wink
Dark_Jedi06
Setting aside the fact that the PS3 does have some features that are very much like the Wii, Sony is still shooting itself in the foot with the PS3. The production cost is more then the amount they're selling it for.

So who cares how many they sell or what features it has, either way Sony is losing money on every sale. Wink Sony has invested so much money into the production and development (we're talking billions here just for the development phase, not to mention the actual cost of some of the parts) of their console that if they don't sell enough or it's not popular enough they won't make back the money on their investment in the PS3.

They're taking a huge risk here.
Reaper
Most console systems sell there systems for way less then they are worth. If the xbox 360 was first sold in order to make a profit then I assure you the price for the 360 would have been much higher, and I assure you the nitendo Wii will also sell there console for less then it took to build.
Talking about which consoles are older? I assure you there are game consoles far older then Nitendo.
And yes the game cube was still built to target childern. If you don't believe me then take a look at the controler, it seems a little small to me and those solid plastic thumb sticks are murder on your fingers. ( Of course thats just my humble opinion and nothing more)
In short all consoles lose more money then it took to build them when they are initially released and sometimes it takes a year or two in order to see any profit on that console, and im talking about all consoles with the exeption of the gamecube, but you cant really count the gamecube because it was built with price in mind.
Also if you watch any official game review shows/ console review shows then you would know that compared to the other consoles the gamecube was horrible. I'm talking about Xplay of course.
Let me translate, for those of you who did not understand the above. Nitendo intended the game cube to be a kids console but in the end its the game developers that decide that, even if they do half ass it. Also there are plenty of non-violent games for microsofts consoles and the ps2 and ps3 series.
Also if your going to comment on a post please don't re-state what people have already stated. Rightclickscott stated most of what you said already.
Thats all im going to add to this topic, its dead already so let it die in peace, Starting a flame war only proves me right. As they say its better to retreat to fight another day then die a hero no-one will ever remember.
Also heres a quote in support of sony. I would rather be a thief and alive then honest and dead.
hodgenpodg
i dunno if its true...but just in general i hate playstation
Monkeydog
Quote:
And yes the game cube was still built to target childern.

No I'm pretty sure it was targeted to people who play games...you know, fun ones.
garionw
I have always ahave and always will be a Nintendo Fan.

Does anyone have a more updated screenshot?

Nintendo have been around the longest and once upon a time Sony and Nintendo were working together. If the controller looks like to Wii one, I believe that Nintendo would have every right to sue sony for copyright breach. Theres nothing wrong with the Wii and sony must think its a very good idea if they are going to be copying it.
Whong
garionw wrote:
I have always ahave and always will be a Nintendo Fan.

Does anyone have a more updated screenshot?

Nintendo have been around the longest and once upon a time Sony and Nintendo were working together. If the controller looks like to Wii one, I believe that Nintendo would have every right to sue sony for copyright breach. Theres nothing wrong with the Wii and sony must think its a very good idea if they are going to be copying it.


That's right, Sony is desperate so it has to do something in order to get good money! Now that PS3 is over 600$ people who used to hate or dislike Nintendo will most probably turn to it, because of the price! Sony PS3 costs 3-6 times more than Wii, so that will really make people wonder if it really is worth that whole bunch of money! Sony is putting too much effort on how the games look like, whereas Nintendo is thinking more about what kind of and how do players want to play their games! If people would understand this point Sony would soon be out of business on the console market! Idea

Here in Finland Xbox 360 cost about 400-450€(the better vesion where was the built in hard disk 20Gb, if I remember right!)

Xbox 360 already was an expensive console, and I just bet that people aren't willing to pay more for PS3 than what they have paid for Xbox 360! Idea Laughing

Now that Nintedo intends to sell Wii for just 150 - 200€/$ it will be a sure winner, because people look for good and cheap things, unless they are very rich! Wink Idea
Kelcey
Whong wrote:
garionw wrote:
I have always ahave and always will be a Nintendo Fan.

Does anyone have a more updated screenshot?

Nintendo have been around the longest and once upon a time Sony and Nintendo were working together. If the controller looks like to Wii one, I believe that Nintendo would have every right to sue sony for copyright breach. Theres nothing wrong with the Wii and sony must think its a very good idea if they are going to be copying it.


That's right, Sony is desperate so it has to do something in order to get good money! Now that PS3 is over 600$ people who used to hate or dislike Nintendo will most probably turn to it, because of the price! Sony PS3 costs 3-6 times more than Wii, so that will really make people wonder if it really is worth that whole bunch of money! Sony is putting too much effort on how the games look like, whereas Nintendo is thinking more about what kind of and how do players want to play their games! If people would understand this point Sony would soon be out of business on the console market! Idea

Here in Finland Xbox 360 cost about 400-450€(the better vesion where was the built in hard disk 20Gb, if I remember right!)

Xbox 360 already was an expensive console, and I just bet that people aren't willing to pay more for PS3 than what they have paid for Xbox 360! Idea Laughing

Now that Nintedo intends to sell Wii for just 150 - 200€/$ it will be a sure winner, because people look for good and cheap things, unless they are very rich! Wink Idea


They're two different markets. Most likely people will own a Wii and an Xbox360/PS3. Wii is completely different from both of them, so I guess it's "reasonable" to say they're completely different markets.
thuganomics
As long as WE get to have fun with Playstation 3, its fine.
Stealing ideas and stuff are good for us players because we get to have more fun and feel like having all the consoles in the world Smile
Whong
Kelcey wrote:
Whong wrote:
garionw wrote:
I have always ahave and always will be a Nintendo Fan.

Does anyone have a more updated screenshot?

Nintendo have been around the longest and once upon a time Sony and Nintendo were working together. If the controller looks like to Wii one, I believe that Nintendo would have every right to sue sony for copyright breach. Theres nothing wrong with the Wii and sony must think its a very good idea if they are going to be copying it.


That's right, Sony is desperate so it has to do something in order to get good money! Now that PS3 is over 600$ people who used to hate or dislike Nintendo will most probably turn to it, because of the price! Sony PS3 costs 3-6 times more than Wii, so that will really make people wonder if it really is worth that whole bunch of money! Sony is putting too much effort on how the games look like, whereas Nintendo is thinking more about what kind of and how do players want to play their games! If people would understand this point Sony would soon be out of business on the console market! Idea

Here in Finland Xbox 360 cost about 400-450€(the better vesion where was the built in hard disk 20Gb, if I remember right!)

Xbox 360 already was an expensive console, and I just bet that people aren't willing to pay more for PS3 than what they have paid for Xbox 360! Idea Laughing

Now that Nintedo intends to sell Wii for just 150 - 200€/$ it will be a sure winner, because people look for good and cheap things, unless they are very rich! Wink Idea


They're two different markets. Most likely people will own a Wii and an Xbox360/PS3. Wii is completely different from both of them, so I guess it's "reasonable" to say they're completely different markets.


Well I wouldn't fully agree, Nintendo wants also thoses who like PS or Xbox!

I'd say that Nintendo is doing a great job by making the new controller!

I can't stand someone copying from Nintendo, I can't help it!

Well, PS3 get lost! Wink Idea
Kelcey
Whong wrote:
Kelcey wrote:
Whong wrote:
garionw wrote:
I have always ahave and always will be a Nintendo Fan.

Does anyone have a more updated screenshot?

Nintendo have been around the longest and once upon a time Sony and Nintendo were working together. If the controller looks like to Wii one, I believe that Nintendo would have every right to sue sony for copyright breach. Theres nothing wrong with the Wii and sony must think its a very good idea if they are going to be copying it.


That's right, Sony is desperate so it has to do something in order to get good money! Now that PS3 is over 600$ people who used to hate or dislike Nintendo will most probably turn to it, because of the price! Sony PS3 costs 3-6 times more than Wii, so that will really make people wonder if it really is worth that whole bunch of money! Sony is putting too much effort on how the games look like, whereas Nintendo is thinking more about what kind of and how do players want to play their games! If people would understand this point Sony would soon be out of business on the console market! Idea

Here in Finland Xbox 360 cost about 400-450€(the better vesion where was the built in hard disk 20Gb, if I remember right!)

Xbox 360 already was an expensive console, and I just bet that people aren't willing to pay more for PS3 than what they have paid for Xbox 360! Idea Laughing

Now that Nintedo intends to sell Wii for just 150 - 200€/$ it will be a sure winner, because people look for good and cheap things, unless they are very rich! Wink Idea


They're two different markets. Most likely people will own a Wii and an Xbox360/PS3. Wii is completely different from both of them, so I guess it's "reasonable" to say they're completely different markets.


Well I wouldn't fully agree, Nintendo wants also thoses who like PS or Xbox!

I'd say that Nintendo is doing a great job by making the new controller!

I can't stand someone copying from Nintendo, I can't help it!

Well, PS3 get lost! Wink Idea


Technology wise they're promoting different things. Of course they're targetting the same people (gamers... as they are game consoles). Yet, they're in different ways. So a gamer can easiliy justify buying a wii for the controller and a PS3/XBox 360 for the power more easily than buying a PS3 and 360 BOTH for power.
airek
"Yeah, sure, whatever. I don't see how Photoshop on a PS3 would be useful, seeing as how it would just be easier to use it on a computer. While consoles may not be refered to as computers, they are still built and programed the same way, and only made for mass marketing. That's why it's really not a good idea to put an operating system on the PS3, because it wouldn't be a console anymore, and that's why the price simply skyrocketed.

Well, Shigeru Miyamoto is basically as kid inside, but that doesn't really change the fact that, in order to respect and be open-minded about gaming, Adults play it too, and Nintendo really got the shaft when it came to third party developers. I just wish Silicon Knights made more games for them.

Also, it's pretty much impossible to disprove an opinion. The best thing you can do is oppose it or if the other party amends it."



- Yes, but many things are easier to do on pc than on consoles for example any FPS. But FPS`s still sell on console platforms because people who arent so pc smart still want to be able to do the neat things that people do on their pcs.
Whong
But I don't see why would people buy PS3, because its so expecive!
Gunner54
I have Read That The PS3 Is Great. I have Heard That You Can Rec. TV Play DVDs And It Has Super Duper Graphics Very Happy + Their Will Be 7 Diffrent Types Of It At Ranges Of Prices (1 For Pure Gaming Cant Rec. Or Play DVDs Will be The Cheepest) And 6 Other That Are Too Much To Explaine.
swordbeta
cool...but the music is stupid!
SilverDogg
Gunner54 wrote:
I have Read That The PS3 Is Great. I have Heard That You Can Rec. TV Play DVDs And It Has Super Duper Graphics Very Happy + Their Will Be 7 Diffrent Types Of It At Ranges Of Prices (1 For Pure Gaming Cant Rec. Or Play DVDs Will be The Cheepest) And 6 Other That Are Too Much To Explaine.


man, what drugs are you using? i want that too!
ltbennett
I have no opinion on the PS3 until ive played on it but i hear that is simalar to the xbox 360 at a blown up price the RRP at the moment is about £500 or about $450!!! that alot of money considering that the xbox 360 premium system now costs only £150 or about $120 Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
SilverDogg
ltbennett wrote:
I have no opinion on the PS3 until ive played on it but i hear that is simalar to the xbox 360 at a blown up price the RRP at the moment is about £500 or about $450!!! that alot of money considering that the xbox 360 premium system now costs only £150 or about $120 Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked


uhm, NO! are you using the same drugs as gunner54?

the xbox360 cost $399 i think it is if you want the premium, and $299 if you want core (i could be a bit off there, i live in sweden so im not sure), and they will most likely lower the price when the ps3 is released. ps3 will have a hard time getting around.
Kelcey
Whong wrote:
But I don't see why would people buy PS3, because its so expecive!


Why did people buy ps2's and ps1's? Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Grand Theft Auto, Gran Turismo, and a whole crap load of other franchises. Those 4 major franchises have already been confirmed for the PS3. I don't know about you, but I won't spend 200 dollars on a system that isn't FOR ME (can be for you) just because it's cheaper.

I don't like Sony or the decisions they've made, but I'm stuck with it because I love Final Fantasy and it looks like Square is well behind the PS3. That is all I need to justify buying the system. I won't pay 600 for it though. Definitely will wait for it to come down.


ltbennett wrote:
I have no opinion on the PS3 until ive played on it but i hear that is simalar to the xbox 360 at a blown up price the RRP at the moment is about £500 or about $450!!! that alot of money considering that the xbox 360 premium system now costs only £150 or about $120 Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked


What do you consider similar?

The 360 uses a DVD drive with an add-on HD DVD drive while the PS3 uses a blu-ray drive.

The PS3 uses the Cell processor which is clearly a different architecture than that of the 3 core 360 set up.

They both use different graphics card technology.

The PS3 uses bluetooth, the 360 doesn't.

Uh... how does the xbox 360 cost about 120 dollars? The premium in america is 400 while the "premium" ps3 is 600.

The PS3 controller is essentially the same as the PS2/PS1 dual shock controllers without the rumble and added motion sensor (yeah... hi nintendo). The 360 controller has rumble but no motion ability.

So yeah... they aren't similar at all. The PS3 has higher peak performance which only very few developers will be able to take advantage of because it's a pain in the ass to program for.
Whong
Kelcey wrote:
Whong wrote:
But I don't see why would people buy PS3, because its so expecive!


Why did people buy ps2's and ps1's? Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Grand Theft Auto, Gran Turismo, and a whole crap load of other franchises. Those 4 major franchises have already been confirmed for the PS3. I don't know about you, but I won't spend 200 dollars on a system that isn't FOR ME (can be for you) just because it's cheaper.

I don't like Sony or the decisions they've made, but I'm stuck with it because I love Final Fantasy and it looks like Square is well behind the PS3. That is all I need to justify buying the system. I won't pay 600 for it though. Definitely will wait for it to come down.


ltbennett wrote:
I have no opinion on the PS3 until ive played on it but i hear that is simalar to the xbox 360 at a blown up price the RRP at the moment is about £500 or about $450!!! that alot of money considering that the xbox 360 premium system now costs only £150 or about $120 Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked


What do you consider similar?

The 360 uses a DVD drive with an add-on HD DVD drive while the PS3 uses a blu-ray drive.

The PS3 uses the Cell processor which is clearly a different architecture than that of the 3 core 360 set up.

They both use different graphics card technology.

The PS3 uses bluetooth, the 360 doesn't.

Uh... how does the xbox 360 cost about 120 dollars? The premium in america is 400 while the "premium" ps3 is 600.

The PS3 controller is essentially the same as the PS2/PS1 dual shock controllers without the rumble and added motion sensor (yeah... hi nintendo). The 360 controller has rumble but no motion ability.

So yeah... they aren't similar at all. The PS3 has higher peak performance which only very few developers will be able to take advantage of because it's a pain in the *** to program for.


PS3's motion sensor is nothing like Nintendo's motion sensor! PS3 has just made some kind of a stupid, bad version of it, just to say that they have the same like Nintendo! That is so stupid, Sony just copies from others because it hasn't enough ideas! Laughing Laughing Idea

Nintendo brings something totally new, where as Sony is just giving the same old stuff, with just a bit better performance and more better graphics!

To tell the truth, a game can be really greeeat with bad or medium graphics where as a game with superb graphics can be such a pain and lousy that it isn't worth playing!

For me the quality of the game is more important than the outlook! Idea Wink Laughing
Kelcey
Whong wrote:
Kelcey wrote:
Whong wrote:
But I don't see why would people buy PS3, because its so expecive!


Why did people buy ps2's and ps1's? Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Grand Theft Auto, Gran Turismo, and a whole crap load of other franchises. Those 4 major franchises have already been confirmed for the PS3. I don't know about you, but I won't spend 200 dollars on a system that isn't FOR ME (can be for you) just because it's cheaper.

I don't like Sony or the decisions they've made, but I'm stuck with it because I love Final Fantasy and it looks like Square is well behind the PS3. That is all I need to justify buying the system. I won't pay 600 for it though. Definitely will wait for it to come down.


ltbennett wrote:
I have no opinion on the PS3 until ive played on it but i hear that is simalar to the xbox 360 at a blown up price the RRP at the moment is about £500 or about $450!!! that alot of money considering that the xbox 360 premium system now costs only £150 or about $120 Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked


What do you consider similar?

The 360 uses a DVD drive with an add-on HD DVD drive while the PS3 uses a blu-ray drive.

The PS3 uses the Cell processor which is clearly a different architecture than that of the 3 core 360 set up.

They both use different graphics card technology.

The PS3 uses bluetooth, the 360 doesn't.

Uh... how does the xbox 360 cost about 120 dollars? The premium in america is 400 while the "premium" ps3 is 600.

The PS3 controller is essentially the same as the PS2/PS1 dual shock controllers without the rumble and added motion sensor (yeah... hi nintendo). The 360 controller has rumble but no motion ability.

So yeah... they aren't similar at all. The PS3 has higher peak performance which only very few developers will be able to take advantage of because it's a pain in the *** to program for.


PS3's motion sensor is nothing like Nintendo's motion sensor! PS3 has just made some kind of a stupid, bad version of it, just to say that they have the same like Nintendo! That is so stupid, Sony just copies from others because it hasn't enough ideas! Laughing Laughing Idea

Nintendo brings something totally new, where as Sony is just giving the same old stuff, with just a bit better performance and more better graphics!

To tell the truth, a game can be really greeeat with bad or medium graphics where as a game with superb graphics can be such a pain and lousy that it isn't worth playing!

For me the quality of the game is more important than the outlook! Idea Wink Laughing


Yeah, I never said PS3's "new" motion crap was even worthwhile. It's stupid.

So I'm gonna ask you this question if graphics "don't mean much."

Say you're playing punch out (hopefully you've played it before). Tell me what would make your experience more enjoyable. You play the NES version where you see your guy punch the opponent... great and fun back in 1984. Now say you see it in 3D with pain oozing out of his face and sweat and blood flying off of his face when you punch him in DIFFERENT ways. So I'm not downplaying gameplay, just merely exhibiting graphics can make a huge difference in your experience. So honestly, simply a yes or no, wouldn't you find the more graphically impressive game more enjoyable given the SAME controls? If you say yes, I'm not saying graphics are more important than gameplay and vice versa. I'm simply saying graphics do matter.

Also, you don't mention anything about games. You asked me why people will buy a PS3. I said they'll buy it for the francises that were on the previous iterations. While focusing on hardware is nice and all, if someone doesn't like Mario/Zelda/Metroid, then it's worthless to get a Wii no matter how "cool" the controller is. And there's no reason to get a PS3 unless you like their franchises. There's no reason in having a graphical power house if you don't like any of the games. There's no reason in having an innovate control scheme if you don't like any of the games. So the whole battle in the hardware sense is worthless unless the specific person WANTS to play games on the systems.


Don't forget the cube "bombed" in comparison to the ps2 and the 64 to the ps1 because Nintendo lost some of their important franchises to Sony. The biggest was the Final Fantasy franchise. In general, they lost Square which produced some insanely great titles for Sony. Capcom moved its popular fighters to the Sega, Sony, and Microsoft systems such as Marvel vs Capcom 2 and Street Fighter 3. The Cube's most impressive third party title was Resident Evil 4 which was supposed to be exclusive. Unfortunately it made its way to the PS2.

The point is that the Cube is a much better piece of hardware than the PS2 at a cheaper price. It got TRUMPED hard by the PS2 because in general, people wanted the PS2 franchises more.

So finally... The PS3 won't "sell more" because it's a graphical power house. The Wii won't "sell more" because it's innovative. It is all about what games are coming out for the systems.
Whong
Kelcey wrote:
Whong wrote:
Kelcey wrote:
Whong wrote:
But I don't see why would people buy PS3, because its so expecive!


Why did people buy ps2's and ps1's? Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Grand Theft Auto, Gran Turismo, and a whole crap load of other franchises. Those 4 major franchises have already been confirmed for the PS3. I don't know about you, but I won't spend 200 dollars on a system that isn't FOR ME (can be for you) just because it's cheaper.

I don't like Sony or the decisions they've made, but I'm stuck with it because I love Final Fantasy and it looks like Square is well behind the PS3. That is all I need to justify buying the system. I won't pay 600 for it though. Definitely will wait for it to come down.


ltbennett wrote:
I have no opinion on the PS3 until ive played on it but i hear that is simalar to the xbox 360 at a blown up price the RRP at the moment is about £500 or about $450!!! that alot of money considering that the xbox 360 premium system now costs only £150 or about $120 Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked


What do you consider similar?

The 360 uses a DVD drive with an add-on HD DVD drive while the PS3 uses a blu-ray drive.

The PS3 uses the Cell processor which is clearly a different architecture than that of the 3 core 360 set up.

They both use different graphics card technology.

The PS3 uses bluetooth, the 360 doesn't.

Uh... how does the xbox 360 cost about 120 dollars? The premium in america is 400 while the "premium" ps3 is 600.

The PS3 controller is essentially the same as the PS2/PS1 dual shock controllers without the rumble and added motion sensor (yeah... hi nintendo). The 360 controller has rumble but no motion ability.

So yeah... they aren't similar at all. The PS3 has higher peak performance which only very few developers will be able to take advantage of because it's a pain in the *** to program for.


PS3's motion sensor is nothing like Nintendo's motion sensor! PS3 has just made some kind of a stupid, bad version of it, just to say that they have the same like Nintendo! That is so stupid, Sony just copies from others because it hasn't enough ideas! Laughing Laughing Idea

Nintendo brings something totally new, where as Sony is just giving the same old stuff, with just a bit better performance and more better graphics!

To tell the truth, a game can be really greeeat with bad or medium graphics where as a game with superb graphics can be such a pain and lousy that it isn't worth playing!

For me the quality of the game is more important than the outlook! Idea Wink Laughing


Yeah, I never said PS3's "new" motion crap was even worthwhile. It's stupid.

So I'm gonna ask you this question if graphics "don't mean much."

Say you're playing punch out (hopefully you've played it before). Tell me what would make your experience more enjoyable. You play the NES version where you see your guy punch the opponent... great and fun back in 1984. Now say you see it in 3D with pain oozing out of his face and sweat and blood flying off of his face when you punch him in DIFFERENT ways. So I'm not downplaying gameplay, just merely exhibiting graphics can make a huge difference in your experience. So honestly, simply a yes or no, wouldn't you find the more graphically impressive game more enjoyable given the SAME controls? If you say yes, I'm not saying graphics are more important than gameplay and vice versa. I'm simply saying graphics do matter.

Also, you don't mention anything about games. You asked me why people will buy a PS3. I said they'll buy it for the francises that were on the previous iterations. While focusing on hardware is nice and all, if someone doesn't like Mario/Zelda/Metroid, then it's worthless to get a Wii no matter how "cool" the controller is. And there's no reason to get a PS3 unless you like their franchises. There's no reason in having a graphical power house if you don't like any of the games. There's no reason in having an innovate control scheme if you don't like any of the games. So the whole battle in the hardware sense is worthless unless the specific person WANTS to play games on the systems.


Don't forget the cube "bombed" in comparison to the ps2 and the 64 to the ps1 because Nintendo lost some of their important franchises to Sony. The biggest was the Final Fantasy franchise. In general, they lost Square which produced some insanely great titles for Sony. Capcom moved its popular fighters to the Sega, Sony, and Microsoft systems such as Marvel vs Capcom 2 and Street Fighter 3. The Cube's most impressive third party title was Resident Evil 4 which was supposed to be exclusive. Unfortunately it made its way to the PS2.

The point is that the Cube is a much better piece of hardware than the PS2 at a cheaper price. It got TRUMPED hard by the PS2 because in general, people wanted the PS2 franchises more.

So finally... The PS3 won't "sell more" because it's a graphical power house. The Wii won't "sell more" because it's innovative. It is all about what games are coming out for the systems.


Well I totally agree on that! When I said that graphics don't matter much for me, I meant that at that level of graphics that Wii is, I wouldn't really need the graphics of PS3. Of course it's more enjoyable to play a game with good graphics IF the game is Good!

In the end it comes to only games, they are the once that make the buyer buy what he buys!

You're right there, Thanks! Wink Idea
Kelcey
Whong wrote:
Kelcey wrote:
Whong wrote:
Kelcey wrote:
Whong wrote:
But I don't see why would people buy PS3, because its so expecive!


Why did people buy ps2's and ps1's? Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Grand Theft Auto, Gran Turismo, and a whole crap load of other franchises. Those 4 major franchises have already been confirmed for the PS3. I don't know about you, but I won't spend 200 dollars on a system that isn't FOR ME (can be for you) just because it's cheaper.

I don't like Sony or the decisions they've made, but I'm stuck with it because I love Final Fantasy and it looks like Square is well behind the PS3. That is all I need to justify buying the system. I won't pay 600 for it though. Definitely will wait for it to come down.


ltbennett wrote:
I have no opinion on the PS3 until ive played on it but i hear that is simalar to the xbox 360 at a blown up price the RRP at the moment is about £500 or about $450!!! that alot of money considering that the xbox 360 premium system now costs only £150 or about $120 Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked


What do you consider similar?

The 360 uses a DVD drive with an add-on HD DVD drive while the PS3 uses a blu-ray drive.

The PS3 uses the Cell processor which is clearly a different architecture than that of the 3 core 360 set up.

They both use different graphics card technology.

The PS3 uses bluetooth, the 360 doesn't.

Uh... how does the xbox 360 cost about 120 dollars? The premium in america is 400 while the "premium" ps3 is 600.

The PS3 controller is essentially the same as the PS2/PS1 dual shock controllers without the rumble and added motion sensor (yeah... hi nintendo). The 360 controller has rumble but no motion ability.

So yeah... they aren't similar at all. The PS3 has higher peak performance which only very few developers will be able to take advantage of because it's a pain in the *** to program for.


PS3's motion sensor is nothing like Nintendo's motion sensor! PS3 has just made some kind of a stupid, bad version of it, just to say that they have the same like Nintendo! That is so stupid, Sony just copies from others because it hasn't enough ideas! Laughing Laughing Idea

Nintendo brings something totally new, where as Sony is just giving the same old stuff, with just a bit better performance and more better graphics!

To tell the truth, a game can be really greeeat with bad or medium graphics where as a game with superb graphics can be such a pain and lousy that it isn't worth playing!

For me the quality of the game is more important than the outlook! Idea Wink Laughing


Yeah, I never said PS3's "new" motion crap was even worthwhile. It's stupid.

So I'm gonna ask you this question if graphics "don't mean much."

Say you're playing punch out (hopefully you've played it before). Tell me what would make your experience more enjoyable. You play the NES version where you see your guy punch the opponent... great and fun back in 1984. Now say you see it in 3D with pain oozing out of his face and sweat and blood flying off of his face when you punch him in DIFFERENT ways. So I'm not downplaying gameplay, just merely exhibiting graphics can make a huge difference in your experience. So honestly, simply a yes or no, wouldn't you find the more graphically impressive game more enjoyable given the SAME controls? If you say yes, I'm not saying graphics are more important than gameplay and vice versa. I'm simply saying graphics do matter.

Also, you don't mention anything about games. You asked me why people will buy a PS3. I said they'll buy it for the francises that were on the previous iterations. While focusing on hardware is nice and all, if someone doesn't like Mario/Zelda/Metroid, then it's worthless to get a Wii no matter how "cool" the controller is. And there's no reason to get a PS3 unless you like their franchises. There's no reason in having a graphical power house if you don't like any of the games. There's no reason in having an innovate control scheme if you don't like any of the games. So the whole battle in the hardware sense is worthless unless the specific person WANTS to play games on the systems.


Don't forget the cube "bombed" in comparison to the ps2 and the 64 to the ps1 because Nintendo lost some of their important franchises to Sony. The biggest was the Final Fantasy franchise. In general, they lost Square which produced some insanely great titles for Sony. Capcom moved its popular fighters to the Sega, Sony, and Microsoft systems such as Marvel vs Capcom 2 and Street Fighter 3. The Cube's most impressive third party title was Resident Evil 4 which was supposed to be exclusive. Unfortunately it made its way to the PS2.

The point is that the Cube is a much better piece of hardware than the PS2 at a cheaper price. It got TRUMPED hard by the PS2 because in general, people wanted the PS2 franchises more.

So finally... The PS3 won't "sell more" because it's a graphical power house. The Wii won't "sell more" because it's innovative. It is all about what games are coming out for the systems.


Well I totally agree on that! When I said that graphics don't matter much for me, I meant that at that level of graphics that Wii is, I wouldn't really need the graphics of PS3. Of course it's more enjoyable to play a game with good graphics IF the game is Good!

In the end it comes to only games, they are the once that make the buyer buy what he buys!

You're right there, Thanks! Wink Idea


Sounds good. But yes, I absolutely do not like Sony for what they've done so far.

1. Stole the guide button from the 360.
2. Sorta stole or made a crappy version of the wii controller.

So please (even though you give me no evidence to think so) don't think I'm on Sony's side by any means Smile. I love Square (even though they haven't be as good lately) so I pretty much follow them as opposed to any console company.
Whong
Does anyone know when PS3 and Wii will come out to market!
Just out of curiosity.

I'll buy Wii, not PS3! Wink Idea
rightclickscott
If I get the money, I'm going to buy both, because it's simply a matter of gaming. While I am being taken for granted by game developers so that I can play their games, I don't care. The PS3 is going to be the most powerful console ever, and it is totally worth the money, no matter how many ideas are stolen. I know there are still plenty of people who want PS3's, so all of you that say you don't want the sweet embrace of Metal Gear Solid 4, you know you are lying to yourselves.
sogasg
I wil not bye a PS3 becouse it has nothing original, i think I am going to bye a Nintendo Wii in sted.

I have a xbox 360 (and its grate)! Very Happy
Kelcey
Whong wrote:
Does anyone know when PS3 and Wii will come out to market!
Just out of curiosity.

I'll buy Wii, not PS3! Wink Idea


PS3 is coming in November worldwide. No release date has been announced for Wii. Sometime this holiday season though.


sogasg wrote:
I wil not bye a PS3 becouse it has nothing original, i think I am going to bye a Nintendo Wii in sted.

I have a xbox 360 (and its grate)! Very Happy


What are the original games on the 360? Cause I can't think of any that won't end up on the PS3 or Wii in some form.
izimngcubes15
PlayStation 3 is ok. But I think they approached too much with expensive console and too difficult technology. They tried to copy Nintendo, but it failed to work.
Whong
I'm really happy that Sony failed to copy/steal the control thing from Nintendo! Laughing

Well the truth is that I can't either think of anything original for the Xbox.

Well Nintendo has its original for sure, lets say like Super Smash Bros genre and Mario and The Legend of Zelda! Wink Idea
Qube
That argument was pretty heated.
It also made me laugh at some of the moronic things said.
But enough of that.

I myself own a PS2, XBox, and GameCube.
Which one do I play most? PS2.
Why's that?
It has the best damn games.
Sure there's great, even so far as awesome games that I love for the other systems.
But overall, most games were made for the PS2.

In terms of controllers, the PS2's has the best feel.
XBox' is just plain annoying.
Button layout makes me want to cry.
Cube's isn't bad, not at all.
Just over the years I've gotten accustomed to the PS.
Hell, it reminds me of SNES controllers.

Also, I absolutely love being able to copy my games to the PS2's HDD.
Then I just load that baby up, bam, dramatically lowered load times.
Play online? Sure.
Run it through my router and I don't have to pay for an extra connection.
And yes, I know I can do the same for XBox...
But I don't want to pay for Live.
I already pay for my internet connection, why pay for that also?

Truth be told though.
PS3 pricetag is a nightmare.
I was reluctant to dish out the $3-400 when the PS2 came out.
Now I'm expected to pay even more? No sir.
I think I built my computer for about $600.
It does alot more than the PS3 probably can.
As for a gaming console, I'm not interested in fancy stuff.
I want a console that plays and plays well.

If only someone could make a console that emulated the others and was compatible with all disc-types.
It would be alot of work, but in the end, that would beatdown any competition.
Which is possible I'm assuming, seeing as the disc-data structure isn't what's copyrighted, the system is.

And remember, these are facts!
Hahahaha...I'm such a loser.
rightclickscott
Taken into my "opinions aren't facts" arguement, weren't you, qube?

However, the it "has the best damn games" point is opinion, just being nerdy, because I can.

It'll still have alot of power, which is all I care abo- METAL GEAR SOLID 4: GUNS OF THE PATRIOTS! Huh, that was strange.
Qube
Gotta love sarcasm.
I had hoped anyone who read those last 2 lines would pick it up.

Butttttt, back on topic.
I'm not gonna make any real decisions on if the PS3 is worth it 'til I can test it.
When it comes out, time to visit the local gameshop.
Hurrah for freeloading.
Kelcey
Qube wrote:

I think I built my computer for about $600.
It does alot more than the PS3 probably can.
As for a gaming console, I'm not interested in fancy stuff.
I want a console that plays and plays well.


They'll do different things. Your computer won't be able to play blu-ray. Furthermore, the PS3 will have linux on it, so that shrinks the gap. But yeah, it's not as upgradeable as your computer. Finally, the PS3 for 600 is faster and more powerful than your computer. If you tell me that your 600 dollar computer has a processor more powerful than the Cell, a graphics card at least as powerful as a 7800GT, and a blu ray drive, show me where you buy your parts.
Qube
The only way I can really reply is I agree.
The PS3 is meant to do the things it does well.
My computer is meant to do MANY things fairly well.
When I can run a server, post on [FriHost] forums, photoshop an image, and various other things I use my comp for, then I'll gladly bow down to that $600 pricetag.
Cthulhuman
Reaper wrote:
Funny didn't nitendo steal the wii's name? dont the french say wii? Well anyways, the wii is another nice council, but its what I call a babys council, its just like the gay game cube with the favorite locked screen games. For those of us on the forums who prefer "real" games then the xbox 360 and ps3 is for you.
Whats sad is they make awesome games for the nitendo systems and then put them on what else? the sucky game cube or DS, why not put those games on real councils like the xbox, ps2, ps3, or xbox 360.

Ok look I was going to deal with your crap dissing the wii and being a macho sony supporter and acting like you know what you are talking about, but bottom line is that sony makes crap products (notice how there is a thread "why psp sucks") and microsoft had to do a total recall on all of thier units because they didn't realize that they had a horrible bug because of selfishness. Sony is taking a good idea (what the wii was based off of) and putting it on thier system, they aren't going to suceed because they are going to have mostly sports games which aren't going to even use the remote's functionalbility because really which maden fan is going to want to pwn his friend by directing his team members with a remote. Nintendo knows who thier audience is and they make games around that, warioware is going to be an awesome game, a game that is going to show off the creative-ness of nintendo. And another thing you need to learn how to spell because council and console are two totally different things. Oh I think you just got told. n00b
Cthulhuman
Reaper wrote:
Do I think you care about my opinions? Well usually I would say no but you must care about my opinions to respond so passionately to my posts.
Also your assuming that I in fact have not played the game cube when you made your reply, only one problem with that, I have played the game cube before.
Not a person? Why thank you, I take that as a compliment because if I were a person like you then I would seriously have to shoot my self in the head.
I don't really care what type of zombies they are? The fact is they still attack you off your screen.
But there is one thing about your post that impresses me, and its how you managed to use a censored word almost every single sentence.
Also due to popular request I ran this post though a spell checker, and guess what there were only two or three spelling mistakes in it buddy.
Also your right he mentioned nothing-about wow, but what you don't get is that I’m comparing the game cube to that computer. He said the console does not matter? Well that’s not true, if I took away your console but bought you say 800$ worth of games you would not be able to play a single one because you don’t have a console to play it on.
If you still don't under stand it let me further explain, the console is like your computer, in which you need a graphics card, ram, and of course a CD player in order to play the game. If your consoles graphics card can't handle the graphics in the game then the console cannot play that game. If your console does not have enough ram then your game play slows down, if your CD player cannot read the CD then it can’t play the game in the first place. So what use is the world’s best game if your console can't play it?
You say people don't take you seriously if you don't spell properly? Well that is equally true to using swearwords almost every sentence buddy.
Ok now on topic. I happen to believe that the ps3 will be the best console out there for one simple reason, if you take a look at whats under the hood then you would realize it blows away all the other consoles currently on the market.
Although I do admit Nintendo may redeem them self’s with the Nintendo Wii.

You say that you ran it through a spell checker right well i'd say that you need to run it again or maybe proff read your own farking posts because you need to work on you grammar buddy. first off gamecube is one word, your and you're are two different words completely, which you used over and over again, and another thing is that most of the good games they port over to computer anyways so i'd say that pc gaming is the way to go. Like Doom 3 looks a hell of a lot better on my computer than it did on the xbox. and it really doesn't matter what's under the hood that counts because graphics aren't everything, they make it look pretty but that's like saying that playstation games aren't fun anymore because they have bad graphics so that's just ignorant. Why just the other day I had fun playing mario on my snes, a past-gen system. And really price is a huge selling point because i'm not going to dish out 600 bucks for a system when i can have more fun on the wii for 250-300.
Kelcey
Qube wrote:
The only way I can really reply is I agree.
The PS3 is meant to do the things it does well.
My computer is meant to do MANY things fairly well.
When I can run a server, post on [FriHost] forums, photoshop an image, and various other things I use my comp for, then I'll gladly bow down to that $600 pricetag.


Yeah, I don't think photoshop is on linux. But you can use gimp and what not. However, yes, the computer will let you do more than the PS3 as we agree. It really does depend on the type of user you are though. For me, a PS3 would serve much better as my main computer than the piece of crap I have now. It simply can't run graphics programs... I'm not talking about video games. My main study is on computer graphics and my computer takes 25 minutes to ray cast a foot volume data set. The PS3 would trump that time. So it really depends on what user you are. Since consoles have more "computer like" architecture nowadays, it simply depends on how much sony and microsoft want to limit the usability. Right now, with linux being on the PS3 with keyboard and mouse support, that gap is looking very slim right now. By the way, I hate Sony. If I could have things my way, they wouldn't get the franchises I like... particularly Final Fantasy. If Square ditched them for the 360 I would never look at a PS3.

Cthulhuman wrote:

Ok look I was going to deal with your crap dissing the wii and being a macho sony supporter and acting like you know what you are talking about, but bottom line is that sony makes crap products (notice how there is a thread "why psp sucks") and microsoft had to do a total recall on all of thier units because they didn't realize that they had a horrible bug because of selfishness. Sony is taking a good idea (what the wii was based off of) and putting it on thier system, they aren't going to suceed because they are going to have mostly sports games which aren't going to even use the remote's functionalbility because really which maden fan is going to want to pwn his friend by directing his team members with a remote. Nintendo knows who thier audience is and they make games around that, warioware is going to be an awesome game, a game that is going to show off the creative-ness of nintendo. And another thing you need to learn how to spell because council and console are two totally different things. Oh I think you just got told. n00b


Microsoft didn't do a total recall on the 360s. The percentage of defective 360s were low. You typically read stories about, "My 360 broke" but you never see the stories of, "My 360 works." So no, no total recall. They had lots of problems admittedly, but there wasn't a total recall.

Sony isn't going to have mostly sports games. Where did you get that idea? Ever hear of Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Devil May Cry, God of War, Grand Theft Auto (I don't like it, but it's not a sport), and Resident Evil? Did you even pay attention to the Sony conference? The only sports game coming to the system are the sports games that are coming to Wii and 360 from EA and 2K games. I will guarantee you it wasn't Madden or NBA Live that sold the ps1 or ps2. So no, it's not a sports system. If you think I'm a Sony supporter, read above.

As far as Sony making crap products. In terms of whether it breaks or not, yeah, Sony sucks. In terms of what they're putting in the PS3, no. Essentially all of their divisions are crumbling right now because nobody buys their crap. The Playstation is their only top seller.

I won't comment on Nintendo. I loved them from NES -> N64. The Cube let *me* (not everyone) down. I'm going to wait until I play with the controller and see what games are coming out before i go pro-wii or go wii-bashing. It looks promising though.
Cthulhuman
Kelcey wrote:


Microsoft didn't do a total recall on the 360s. The percentage of defective 360s were low. You typically read stories about, "My 360 broke" but you never see the stories of, "My 360 works." So no, no total recall. They had lots of problems admittedly, but there wasn't a total recall.

Sony isn't going to have mostly sports games. Where did you get that idea? Ever hear of Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Devil May Cry, God of War, Grand Theft Auto (I don't like it, but it's not a sport), and Resident Evil? Did you even pay attention to the Sony conference? The only sports game coming to the system are the sports games that are coming to Wii and 360 from EA and 2K games. I will guarantee you it wasn't Madden or NBA Live that sold the ps1 or ps2. So no, it's not a sports system. If you think I'm a Sony supporter, read above.

As far as Sony making crap products. In terms of whether it breaks or not, yeah, Sony sucks. In terms of what they're putting in the PS3, no. Essentially all of their divisions are crumbling right now because nobody buys their crap. The Playstation is their only top seller.

I won't comment on Nintendo. I loved them from NES -> N64. The Cube let *me* (not everyone) down. I'm going to wait until I play with the controller and see what games are coming out before i go pro-wii or go wii-bashing. It looks promising though.


Well I wasn't talking about a total recall but it was enogh for them to delay them for getting units out to the consumers for about a month or two. And I'm quite aware of the good games but like i used to host a game night at my work and me and a bunch of friends would play ddr and guitar hero and some of my fellow co-workers were complaining about how we didn't have halo or madden set up and I just think that controling a game like madden or nba live would feel retarded with the motion sensor controler.
Whong
Yeah, Wii does look promising. And since it uses technology that other consoles don't except PS3's lousy copy! Wii will defenitely change the way people play games!

Looking forward for Wii! Wink Idea
Kelcey
Cthulhuman wrote:
Kelcey wrote:


Microsoft didn't do a total recall on the 360s. The percentage of defective 360s were low. You typically read stories about, "My 360 broke" but you never see the stories of, "My 360 works." So no, no total recall. They had lots of problems admittedly, but there wasn't a total recall.

Sony isn't going to have mostly sports games. Where did you get that idea? Ever hear of Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, Devil May Cry, God of War, Grand Theft Auto (I don't like it, but it's not a sport), and Resident Evil? Did you even pay attention to the Sony conference? The only sports game coming to the system are the sports games that are coming to Wii and 360 from EA and 2K games. I will guarantee you it wasn't Madden or NBA Live that sold the ps1 or ps2. So no, it's not a sports system. If you think I'm a Sony supporter, read above.

As far as Sony making crap products. In terms of whether it breaks or not, yeah, Sony sucks. In terms of what they're putting in the PS3, no. Essentially all of their divisions are crumbling right now because nobody buys their crap. The Playstation is their only top seller.

I won't comment on Nintendo. I loved them from NES -> N64. The Cube let *me* (not everyone) down. I'm going to wait until I play with the controller and see what games are coming out before i go pro-wii or go wii-bashing. It looks promising though.


Well I wasn't talking about a total recall but it was enogh for them to delay them for getting units out to the consumers for about a month or two. And I'm quite aware of the good games but like i used to host a game night at my work and me and a bunch of friends would play ddr and guitar hero and some of my fellow co-workers were complaining about how we didn't have halo or madden set up and I just think that controling a game like madden or nba live would feel retarded with the motion sensor controler.


I suppose it's a matter of opinion. For the most part, Madden on Wii was completely TRASHED by people at e3 (ign, joystiq, kotaku). Like i said, I won't pass judgement on it. Personally, I am tired of Madden. The game is merely updated rosters every year for another 50 bucks. Hopefully the Wii does give it that push it needs. I want the Wii to succeed, but at the same time I don't want the emphasis of graphics to fall either. I wish it wasn't either/or with graphics and gameplay. I wish it was both. Cause let's face it, better graphics AND gameplay is better than better graphics/ no gameplay and no graphics/better gameplay. People act like you can't have both.
Yantaal
AND NOW MORE FAILINGS:

YEs PS3 has copied the gyroscope, and they revealed lastminute just for whatreason? This is the reason, to screw up communications with the programmers so they now have very few games making use of the gyro.

AND

To make room for the gyro we removed the rumble pack, but decided not alertthe ame prpgrammers so now we have games using the ruble pack only tio find it isnt in the controller anymore.


so, woot for sony
Reaper
Right true to my word I won't make any comments on consoles, all I have to say is this Cthulhuman's man should be changed to capt moron. Not only did he re-state what people already stated he proved how much of a moron he truely is by attacking posts that have already been proven and disproven.
Also this is just a suggestion but maybe you should not rip on people based on how well they actually spell things, actually did you know that n00b is not an actual word? of course you didn't but i'm sure you will think of some stupid come back to that. Also o and zero are not interchange-able moron. Long story short theres not a person in the entire pissing world who has "Perfect spelling" so just shut up already. Also heres some existing dictionarys so you can indeed see the word noob is not a word.http://dictionary.cambridge.org/results.asp?searchword=noob
http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/search?p=noob&searchmode=normal&x=26&y=3http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/noob.htmlhttp://www.m-w.com/dictionary/noob http://www.factmonster.com/search?fr=fmtnh&query=noobYes i'm sure you could find a few sites with the definition noob in it but none of those come from an official dictionary now do they? And the ones I found clearly stated that it was slang and not an official word. One last thing proff read? Oh i get it proof read, farking? again not a word. 600 bucks? Well male deer are nice and all but don't you mean 600 dollars? Want me to point out all the places where you forgot to capitalize while i'm at it?
Man I love it when people attack me, not realizing they forgot to turn the safety off. Bottom line is when someone else who agrees with you rips on you thats a red flag.
Kelcey
Yantaal wrote:
AND NOW MORE FAILINGS:

YEs PS3 has copied the gyroscope, and they revealed lastminute just for whatreason? This is the reason, to screw up communications with the programmers so they now have very few games making use of the gyro.


Are you saying they introduced it to sabotage their own system? That's right, because your goal as a huge company is to purposely mess things up. Really, you've beaten the controller to death. That's your introductory point here. That's your same introductory point in a thread that was closed.

Yantaal wrote:


To make room for the gyro we removed the rumble pack


For a guy who questions and hates Sony, I find it amusing that you believe Sony when they say this. Furthermore, really, it's not a rumble pack. Remember, this isn't a Nintendo 64 controller. It's built into the controller. Finally, Sony and Microsoft were sued for using the the rumble technology invented by Immersion. Microsoft paid it off and Sony went to court on it and loss.
codeman
I'm sorry but the PS3 is going to own all the other systems in that the technology wont be obsolete on November 18 alone, simply because the technology is not yet mainstream. The Cell processor is going to advance computers and electronics so much... they really hit the jackpot there... even if the PS3 were to flop!
MonkeyWrench
lmao, thats so funny, some aspects are correct, but i dont care about new consoles because im just not going to buy them Very Happy
Cthulhuman
Reaper wrote:
Right true to my word I won't make any comments on consoles, all I have to say is this Cthulhuman's man should be changed to capt moron. Not only did he re-state what people already stated he proved how much of a moron he truely is by attacking posts that have already been proven and disproven.
Also this is just a suggestion but maybe you should not rip on people based on how well they actually spell things, actually did you know that n00b is not an actual word? of course you didn't but i'm sure you will think of some stupid come back to that. Also o and zero are not interchange-able moron. Long story short theres not a person in the entire pissing world who has "Perfect spelling" so just shut up already. Also heres some existing dictionarys so you can indeed see the word noob is not a word.http://dictionary.cambridge.org/results.asp?searchword=noob
http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/search?p=noob&searchmode=normal&x=26&y=3http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/noob.htmlhttp://www.m-w.com/dictionary/noob http://www.factmonster.com/search?fr=fmtnh&query=noobYes i'm sure you could find a few sites with the definition noob in it but none of those come from an official dictionary now do they? And the ones I found clearly stated that it was slang and not an official word. One last thing proff read? Oh i get it proof read, farking? again not a word. 600 bucks? Well male deer are nice and all but don't you mean 600 dollars? Want me to point out all the places where you forgot to capitalize while i'm at it?
Man I love it when people attack me, not realizing they forgot to turn the safety off. Bottom line is when someone else who agrees with you rips on you thats a red flag.

There is a thing called slang my friend the word n00b is defined as follows: noob
comes in two variations, noob and newb.

Noob is meant as an offensive term towards someone who is not nessicarily new, and quite often is directed at someone that is |somewhat| experienced but at the same time stupid/disruptive and/or totally incapable of learning.
A noob is almost always someone who thinks they're cool but obviously aren't. Also used in 1337speak.
and the word farking is a replacement work for a curse work. Being what they are you wouldn't find them in a regular dictionary and really the only reason i burnt you for the bad grammar was because you went it through a spell checker and it still wasn't right. And also aparently you can't take the fact that people use different words for different things because bucks by definition from dictionary.com - buck
n. Informal

1. A dollar.
2. An amount of money: working overtime to make an extra buck.

and also being that I didn't capitalize my I in i'm shouldn't even count as a typo because this isn't formal, that's like saying you left out commas in your entry it's something little that doesn't even matter, this is a forum where grammar shouldn't even matter, but when you read through an entry and find repeated errors and have to think about what you were trying to say I would say there is a problem, and then when they claim that they ran thier entry through a spell checker and still have errors and then try to burn someone back about a few gramatical errors that they have when they are typing free hand at 3 in the morning is stupid. One of my hobbies is writing and I think you should take it from me and drop this grammar war because you aren't going to win. And no I know i'm not perfect I'm just saying that you should at least put a little effort in your posts when you write them.
Kelcey
codeman wrote:
I'm sorry but the PS3 is going to own all the other systems in that the technology wont be obsolete on November 18 alone, simply because the technology is not yet mainstream. The Cell processor is going to advance computers and electronics so much... they really hit the jackpot there... even if the PS3 were to flop!


It isn't a guarantee that the Cell will become the mainstream processor for computers. However, it does work well with multmedia devices. Its design certainly screams out to multimedia. Plus, the Cell is a pain to write code for to squeeze out all its power. Maybe it'll become mainstream. Who knows?
cghq
what a headline, is it just me or does this sound like a stuck record?..... By the time the ps3 is finally released Sony are going to have a very uphill battle, people are sick of waiting and they are getting 360's ....... the thing is the ps3 aint even that much better...... for what you are getting from a ps3, you may as well go and get a 360 and save ur time waiting!
codeman
cghq wrote:
what a headline, is it just me or does this sound like a stuck record?..... By the time the ps3 is finally released Sony are going to have a very uphill battle, people are sick of waiting and they are getting 360's ....... the thing is the ps3 aint even that much better...... for what you are getting from a ps3, you may as well go and get a 360 and save ur time waiting!


You should try reading Kael's post here before you go off thinking the PS3 "aint even that much better" (Not trying to start anything so don't get mad at me) but the PS3 is going to have some really sweet technology in it. Not to mention the 360 is made by Micro$haft! At least Sony is thinking of the future... trying to advance technology not just try to make it a little prettier and a lil more powerful than the last one... Sony is making something that might actually revolutionize electronics as we know them... we'll just have to see Wink
Whong
codeman wrote:
cghq wrote:
what a headline, is it just me or does this sound like a stuck record?..... By the time the ps3 is finally released Sony are going to have a very uphill battle, people are sick of waiting and they are getting 360's ....... the thing is the ps3 aint even that much better...... for what you are getting from a ps3, you may as well go and get a 360 and save ur time waiting!


You should try reading Kael's post here before you go off thinking the PS3 "aint even that much better" (Not trying to start anything so don't get mad at me) but the PS3 is going to have some really sweet technology in it. Not to mention the 360 is made by Micro$haft! At least Sony is thinking of the future... trying to advance technology not just try to make it a little prettier and a lil more powerful than the last one... Sony is making something that might actually revolutionize electronics as we know them... we'll just have to see Wink


But Nintendo is Revolutionizing the whole way of playing games, so PS3 might actually revolutionize electronics, but what good is that if Nintendo gets all the customers! Laughing Wink Idea
b-n-g
Yeah the risk is too big..
Nintendo wii and xbox 360 their i heard more about..
maybe the ps3 wil be delayed?
here some images...


[img]xataka.com/archivos/ images/psp-to-ps3.jpg[img]


looks the same as the ps2 doesn´t it?
codeman
Whong wrote:
codeman wrote:
cghq wrote:
what a headline, is it just me or does this sound like a stuck record?..... By the time the ps3 is finally released Sony are going to have a very uphill battle, people are sick of waiting and they are getting 360's ....... the thing is the ps3 aint even that much better...... for what you are getting from a ps3, you may as well go and get a 360 and save ur time waiting!


You should try reading Kael's post here before you go off thinking the PS3 "aint even that much better" (Not trying to start anything so don't get mad at me) but the PS3 is going to have some really sweet technology in it. Not to mention the 360 is made by Micro$haft! At least Sony is thinking of the future... trying to advance technology not just try to make it a little prettier and a lil more powerful than the last one... Sony is making something that might actually revolutionize electronics as we know them... we'll just have to see Wink


But Nintendo is Revolutionizing the whole way of playing games, so PS3 might actually revolutionize electronics, but what good is that if Nintendo gets all the customers! Laughing Wink Idea


Nitendo is NOT doing anything that hasn't already been done.. I've played tons of games that interacted through motion... the defference? The wii controller allows this interaction with only one device for many games... hardly revolutionizing to me... Exclamation
phinguyen
playstation3 is outragously priced i agree, revolutionary? maybe. but nintendo wii revolutionary? hardly. its the case of the nintendo power glove, motion controlled gaming is hardly a revolution, i'd have to say that the eyetoy stealthly changed the market of motion controlled gaming, but hardly anyone noticed. i'd have to say that nowadays i play my gurlfriends DS more than my own PSP but that doesnt mean that my PSP is gonna die (and yes i have 1.5 psp with all the homebrew trimmings) but the gameplay for the DS is great. anyways, we all just need to face the facts that there are just different targetmarkets for the two systems. the ps3 is aiming for the person who wants cuttingedge tech, awesome graphix, and something sexy and sleek to go with their LCD/PLASMA a multi-tasking mass of silicon and wires while the Nintendo Wii is for the one who doesnt (or shouldnt) care for graphics and are more about the entertainment how fun the game is, and probebly doesnt know the difference between a pixel and a partical. the wii seems to be more for kids and older gamers who really dont care for graphix but for gameplay, and the ps3 is for the teen to late twentys who do care about the graphix as much as the gameplay.

by the way, the pic above is old, they're not using the boomerang controller no more and the box art is still under works.

i personally am loyal to sony and am psyched about the ps3, i'll probebly never own a nintendo Wii, but i'll be goin out today hunting for that Nintendo DS Lite.
codeman
phinguyen wrote:
playstation3 is outragously priced i agree, revolutionary? maybe. but nintendo wii revolutionary? hardly. its the case of the nintendo power glove, motion controlled gaming is hardly a revolution, i'd have to say that the eyetoy stealthly changed the market of motion controlled gaming, but hardly anyone noticed. i'd have to say that nowadays i play my gurlfriends DS more than my own PSP but that doesnt mean that my PSP is gonna die (and yes i have 1.5 psp with all the homebrew trimmings) but the gameplay for the DS is great. anyways, we all just need to face the facts that there are just different targetmarkets for the two systems. the ps3 is aiming for the person who wants cuttingedge tech, awesome graphix, and something sexy and sleek to go with their LCD/PLASMA a multi-tasking mass of silicon and wires while the Nintendo Wii is for the one who doesnt (or shouldnt) care for graphics and are more about the entertainment how fun the game is, and probebly doesnt know the difference between a pixel and a partical. the wii seems to be more for kids and older gamers who really dont care for graphix but for gameplay, and the ps3 is for the teen to late twentys who do care about the graphix as much as the gameplay.

by the way, the pic above is old, they're not using the boomerang controller no more and the box art is still under works.

i personally am loyal to sony and am psyched about the ps3, i'll probebly never own a nintendo Wii, but i'll be goin out today hunting for that Nintendo DS Lite.


I totally agree with almost all of what you said especially about each systems target age ranges... I work for Toys R Us in the RZone(video game dept.) and that's exactly what I tell people almost word for word. I also agree with you on the DS that thing is freakin FUN! I so want a DS Lite... we just got the demo version today at work! They put mario in there... I think I'm going to get fired over that thing lol.

About the PS3 graphics... b-n-g, have you ever heard of the E3 confrence... you might want to go check that out... I'll even help you out... try this
The first two sites there are probably the best be E3 Insider I know is good!
Whong
You said that Wii is for those who don't care about graphics. That is so dumb to say a thing like that. I care a lot about graphics, but they aren't the most important thing! Wii's graphics are in my opinion really good, and I don't personally need photorealisim in games. What good is it if a game looks super cool, but isn't worth even playing! See the best games of 90s!

Super Mario Bros 3, The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time, Super Mario 64.

Not really that good graphics, but really good games. You might want to pay 600$ just for graphics, I don't! Wii is for me, maeby not for you! Idea

What other motion detecting things have there been before Nintendo?
When I first got my Nes it had a Motion detecter gun and that was already in the mid 90s! So Nintendo in my opinion owns the motionsensor stuff to itself!!! Wink
Kelcey
Whong wrote:

You said that Wii is for those who don't care about graphics. That is so dumb to say a thing like that. I care a lot about graphics, but they aren't the most important thing! Wii's graphics are in my opinion really good, and I don't personally need photorealisim in games. What good is it if a game looks super cool, but isn't worth even playing! See the best games of 90s!

Super Mario Bros 3, The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time, Super Mario 64.



I'm not being sarcastic, but I seriously wonder, have you played anything besides a Nintendo system? They are great games but there certainly are other great games that weren't made by Nintendo. I find it funny that you only name Nintendo games. Don't forget, at the time, those games had "really good graphics." Ocarina of Time and Mario 64 had the best graphics of any console game when they were released. Going by your argument with the PS3, they should've sucked. Cause you're essentially saying with a PS3, you ONLY get graphics. Furthermore, you realize that Ocarina of Time and Mario 64 were played with analog sticks and not motion sensors? Yet you continue to bash the PS3 which HAS analog sticks and say it's merely a graphical system and games won't have "great gameplay." So what are you really saying? If you want to use the graphics argument, the same can hold for the controller argument.

"Super Mario Bros 3 was played with a dpad and two buttons. Thus, any game can have EXCELLENT and AWESOME gameplay and be a classic WITHOUT the motion sensoring Wii. Thus, who needs a motion sensoring Wii?"

WARNING: I don't believe that argument. However, this is how ridiculous you are sounding with the PS3. You're making illogical jumps.

Trust me, you make good points. The three games you mentioned are 3 of my favorite games of all time as well. However, I just wish you'd keep an open mind about this. You say Mario 3 can be a classic and one of the best games ever with a controller INFERIOR to a PS3 controller, yet a PS3 game can't have gameplay because it's a graphical beast. So I hope you can explain why the PS3 can't have great gameplay AND great graphics when you claim Mario 3 has awesome gameplay with a controller inferior to the PS3 controller.

Whong wrote:

Not really that good graphics, but really good games. You might want to pay 600$ just for graphics:


I didn't realize all the PS3 games have already come out and have been deemed good looking, but boring. Furthermore, I didn't realize all the Wii games have been released and just because most of them use a motion sensor controller and don't look as good as PS3 games, they're automatically the best games ever. Once again, how do you come to the conclusion that the PS3 is ONLY graphics when the 3 games you mention can be played with the exact same experience on a PS3?

Whong wrote:

What other motion detecting things have there been before Nintendo?
When I first got my Nes it had a Motion detecter gun and that was already in the mid 90s! So Nintendo in my opinion owns the motionsensor stuff to itself!!! Wink


The power glove had motion sensor. I think the argument was that it wasn't new technology. You've just proven that it's not new technology too by mentioning your motion detector gun.

Honestly, I know you're coming from a good place. I'm glad people care about gameplay, however it's getting out of hand. I'm not saying graphics are or aren't important here. When you bash a 360 and PS3 for lack of gameplay, you crush EVERY Nintendo game's functionality prior to the Wii because all those GREAT Nintendo games, if ported to a Sony or MS system, would have the EXACT same gameplay which YOU deem to be EXCELLENT.

I don't want to start a debate as to whether the PS3 or Wii is better. I'm not saying a PS3 is better nor am I saying a Wii is better. I just hope you have a more open mind towards things.
codeman
Kelcey wrote:
Whong wrote:

You said that Wii is for those who don't care about graphics. That is so dumb to say a thing like that. I care a lot about graphics, but they aren't the most important thing! Wii's graphics are in my opinion really good, and I don't personally need photorealisim in games. What good is it if a game looks super cool, but isn't worth even playing! See the best games of 90s!

Super Mario Bros 3, The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time, Super Mario 64.



I'm not being sarcastic, but I seriously wonder, have you played anything besides a Nintendo system? They are great games but there certainly are other great games that weren't made by Nintendo. I find it funny that you only name Nintendo games. Don't forget, at the time, those games had "really good graphics." Ocarina of Time and Mario 64 had the best graphics of any console game when they were released. Going by your argument with the PS3, they should've sucked. Cause you're essentially saying with a PS3, you ONLY get graphics. Furthermore, you realize that Ocarina of Time and Mario 64 were played with analog sticks and not motion sensors? Yet you continue to bash the PS3 which HAS analog sticks and say it's merely a graphical system and games won't have "great gameplay." So what are you really saying? If you want to use the graphics argument, the same can hold for the controller argument.

"Super Mario Bros 3 was played with a dpad and two buttons. Thus, any game can have EXCELLENT and AWESOME gameplay and be a classic WITHOUT the motion sensoring Wii. Thus, who needs a motion sensoring Wii?"

WARNING: I don't believe that argument. However, this is how ridiculous you are sounding with the PS3. You're making illogical jumps.

Trust me, you make good points. The three games you mentioned are 3 of my favorite games of all time as well. However, I just wish you'd keep an open mind about this. You say Mario 3 can be a classic and one of the best games ever with a controller INFERIOR to a PS3 controller, yet a PS3 game can't have gameplay because it's a graphical beast. So I hope you can explain why the PS3 can't have great gameplay AND great graphics when you claim Mario 3 has awesome gameplay with a controller inferior to the PS3 controller.

Whong wrote:

Not really that good graphics, but really good games. You might want to pay 600$ just for graphics:


I didn't realize all the PS3 games have already come out and have been deemed good looking, but boring. Furthermore, I didn't realize all the Wii games have been released and just because most of them use a motion sensor controller and don't look as good as PS3 games, they're automatically the best games ever. Once again, how do you come to the conclusion that the PS3 is ONLY graphics when the 3 games you mention can be played with the exact same experience on a PS3?

Whong wrote:

What other motion detecting things have there been before Nintendo?
When I first got my Nes it had a Motion detecter gun and that was already in the mid 90s! So Nintendo in my opinion owns the motionsensor stuff to itself!!! Wink


The power glove had motion sensor. I think the argument was that it wasn't new technology. You've just proven that it's not new technology too by mentioning your motion detector gun.

Honestly, I know you're coming from a good place. I'm glad people care about gameplay, however it's getting out of hand. I'm not saying graphics are or aren't important here. When you bash a 360 and PS3 for lack of gameplay, you crush EVERY Nintendo game's functionality prior to the Wii because all those GREAT Nintendo games, if ported to a Sony or MS system, would have the EXACT same gameplay which YOU deem to be EXCELLENT.

I don't want to start a debate as to whether the PS3 or Wii is better. I'm not saying a PS3 is better nor am I saying a Wii is better. I just hope you have a more open mind towards things.


One the subject of the 360 games and "GREAT GAME PLAY" I'd like to bring up the game The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion. As I mentioned before I work at TRU in the video game dept. Every costomer that has a 360 and the game Oblivion says it's the best game they've ever played (as well as my friends who play it on the PC) mind you this is a very graphics intense game for either the 360 or the PC... Great graphics AND great game play? Nooooooooooo! That can't be! The people have spoken!
Whong
Kelcey wrote:
Whong wrote:

You said that Wii is for those who don't care about graphics. That is so dumb to say a thing like that. I care a lot about graphics, but they aren't the most important thing! Wii's graphics are in my opinion really good, and I don't personally need photorealisim in games. What good is it if a game looks super cool, but isn't worth even playing! See the best games of 90s!

Super Mario Bros 3, The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time, Super Mario 64.



I'm not being sarcastic, but I seriously wonder, have you played anything besides a Nintendo system? They are great games but there certainly are other great games that weren't made by Nintendo. I find it funny that you only name Nintendo games. Don't forget, at the time, those games had "really good graphics." Ocarina of Time and Mario 64 had the best graphics of any console game when they were released. Going by your argument with the PS3, they should've sucked. Cause you're essentially saying with a PS3, you ONLY get graphics. Furthermore, you realize that Ocarina of Time and Mario 64 were played with analog sticks and not motion sensors? Yet you continue to bash the PS3 which HAS analog sticks and say it's merely a graphical system and games won't have "great gameplay." So what are you really saying? If you want to use the graphics argument, the same can hold for the controller argument.

"Super Mario Bros 3 was played with a dpad and two buttons. Thus, any game can have EXCELLENT and AWESOME gameplay and be a classic WITHOUT the motion sensoring Wii. Thus, who needs a motion sensoring Wii?"

WARNING: I don't believe that argument. However, this is how ridiculous you are sounding with the PS3. You're making illogical jumps.

Trust me, you make good points. The three games you mentioned are 3 of my favorite games of all time as well. However, I just wish you'd keep an open mind about this. You say Mario 3 can be a classic and one of the best games ever with a controller INFERIOR to a PS3 controller, yet a PS3 game can't have gameplay because it's a graphical beast. So I hope you can explain why the PS3 can't have great gameplay AND great graphics when you claim Mario 3 has awesome gameplay with a controller inferior to the PS3 controller.

Whong wrote:

Not really that good graphics, but really good games. You might want to pay 600$ just for graphics:


I didn't realize all the PS3 games have already come out and have been deemed good looking, but boring. Furthermore, I didn't realize all the Wii games have been released and just because most of them use a motion sensor controller and don't look as good as PS3 games, they're automatically the best games ever. Once again, how do you come to the conclusion that the PS3 is ONLY graphics when the 3 games you mention can be played with the exact same experience on a PS3?

Whong wrote:

What other motion detecting things have there been before Nintendo?
When I first got my Nes it had a Motion detecter gun and that was already in the mid 90s! So Nintendo in my opinion owns the motionsensor stuff to itself!!! Wink


The power glove had motion sensor. I think the argument was that it wasn't new technology. You've just proven that it's not new technology too by mentioning your motion detector gun.

Honestly, I know you're coming from a good place. I'm glad people care about gameplay, however it's getting out of hand. I'm not saying graphics are or aren't important here. When you bash a 360 and PS3 for lack of gameplay, you crush EVERY Nintendo game's functionality prior to the Wii because all those GREAT Nintendo games, if ported to a Sony or MS system, would have the EXACT same gameplay which YOU deem to be EXCELLENT.

I don't want to start a debate as to whether the PS3 or Wii is better. I'm not saying a PS3 is better nor am I saying a Wii is better. I just hope you have a more open mind towards things.


I'm not telling that PS3's games are great graphics and lousy game play, but I'm just stating a posibility! You are right about that, that I should have an open mind, but its hard when I've always played Nintendo since I' was 5 or 7 and never ever wanted to play something else! And I've always seen Playstation as an enemy(sounds really dumb, doesn't it!)! An enemy of Nintendo and an enemy of me! Of course I play PS games when at friends place, but I never will buy a PS, I'm sorry, but that is something that I've promised to my self since I was small! Laughing Idea
Kelcey
Whong wrote:
Kelcey wrote:
Whong wrote:

You said that Wii is for those who don't care about graphics. That is so dumb to say a thing like that. I care a lot about graphics, but they aren't the most important thing! Wii's graphics are in my opinion really good, and I don't personally need photorealisim in games. What good is it if a game looks super cool, but isn't worth even playing! See the best games of 90s!

Super Mario Bros 3, The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time, Super Mario 64.



I'm not being sarcastic, but I seriously wonder, have you played anything besides a Nintendo system? They are great games but there certainly are other great games that weren't made by Nintendo. I find it funny that you only name Nintendo games. Don't forget, at the time, those games had "really good graphics." Ocarina of Time and Mario 64 had the best graphics of any console game when they were released. Going by your argument with the PS3, they should've sucked. Cause you're essentially saying with a PS3, you ONLY get graphics. Furthermore, you realize that Ocarina of Time and Mario 64 were played with analog sticks and not motion sensors? Yet you continue to bash the PS3 which HAS analog sticks and say it's merely a graphical system and games won't have "great gameplay." So what are you really saying? If you want to use the graphics argument, the same can hold for the controller argument.

"Super Mario Bros 3 was played with a dpad and two buttons. Thus, any game can have EXCELLENT and AWESOME gameplay and be a classic WITHOUT the motion sensoring Wii. Thus, who needs a motion sensoring Wii?"

WARNING: I don't believe that argument. However, this is how ridiculous you are sounding with the PS3. You're making illogical jumps.

Trust me, you make good points. The three games you mentioned are 3 of my favorite games of all time as well. However, I just wish you'd keep an open mind about this. You say Mario 3 can be a classic and one of the best games ever with a controller INFERIOR to a PS3 controller, yet a PS3 game can't have gameplay because it's a graphical beast. So I hope you can explain why the PS3 can't have great gameplay AND great graphics when you claim Mario 3 has awesome gameplay with a controller inferior to the PS3 controller.

Whong wrote:

Not really that good graphics, but really good games. You might want to pay 600$ just for graphics:


I didn't realize all the PS3 games have already come out and have been deemed good looking, but boring. Furthermore, I didn't realize all the Wii games have been released and just because most of them use a motion sensor controller and don't look as good as PS3 games, they're automatically the best games ever. Once again, how do you come to the conclusion that the PS3 is ONLY graphics when the 3 games you mention can be played with the exact same experience on a PS3?

Whong wrote:

What other motion detecting things have there been before Nintendo?
When I first got my Nes it had a Motion detecter gun and that was already in the mid 90s! So Nintendo in my opinion owns the motionsensor stuff to itself!!! Wink


The power glove had motion sensor. I think the argument was that it wasn't new technology. You've just proven that it's not new technology too by mentioning your motion detector gun.

Honestly, I know you're coming from a good place. I'm glad people care about gameplay, however it's getting out of hand. I'm not saying graphics are or aren't important here. When you bash a 360 and PS3 for lack of gameplay, you crush EVERY Nintendo game's functionality prior to the Wii because all those GREAT Nintendo games, if ported to a Sony or MS system, would have the EXACT same gameplay which YOU deem to be EXCELLENT.

I don't want to start a debate as to whether the PS3 or Wii is better. I'm not saying a PS3 is better nor am I saying a Wii is better. I just hope you have a more open mind towards things.


I'm not telling that PS3's games are great graphics and lousy game play, but I'm just stating a posibility! You are right about that, that I should have an open mind, but its hard when I've always played Nintendo since I' was 5 or 7 and never ever wanted to play something else! And I've always seen Playstation as an enemy(sounds really dumb, doesn't it!)! An enemy of Nintendo and an enemy of me! Of course I play PS games when at friends place, but I never will buy a PS, I'm sorry, but that is something that I've promised to my self since I was small! Laughing Idea


Haha, yeah, that's completely understandable. Like I won't get near an MMORPG because I know what they'll do to my life. I grew up playing on Nintendo systems too... probably at 3 or 4. The Playstation is definitely an enemy of Nintendo. Afterall, they have the main Square games and Nintendo doesn't anymore. But as a gamer, you should be happy to see good games anywhere and everywhere Razz. Like for me, I hate Microsoft and Sony with a passion. I love and hate Nintendo... depends what they're doing at the moment. However, I'm not gonna let it get to me so far that I won't play games that are really good. This last generation I had the Cube, PS2 and Xbox. All had their own great games. Right now I have a 360 and will definitely get a PS3(not because I give a crap about Sony) because it has Final Fantasy and most if not all the franchises the PS2 had. I'm on the wall with Wii until I'm sure that it gets more 3rd party support in the sense that they get some huge mainstream exclusive 3rd party titles which is NOT happening right now.

But when you say something like, "if you want to pay 600 for graphics..." it definitely sounds like you're saying the PS3 only has graphics which leads one to assume that it doesn't have gameplay.
DeadMen
i personally think PS3 are good because if you think about computer gaming , you probadly have to spend >$500 to have a PC capable display 3d games. i spended like $400 on mine build but i waited to buy everything. the console got like it own $300 PC graphic card and surf the internet(i think i forgot where i heard it from).
deiphobus
It is true. Sony had to do something that will capture the attention of the masses because they are having troubles getting the Playstation 3 out of the door. I don't think moving around the controller in some bull flying game would make the gameplay more immersive. I mean, wouldn't you get tired moving around the controller all the time?
Kelcey
deiphobus wrote:
It is true. Sony had to do something that will capture the attention of the masses because they are having troubles getting the Playstation 3 out of the door. I don't think moving around the controller in some bull flying game would make the gameplay more immersive. I mean, wouldn't you get tired moving around the controller all the time?


So are you saying people would get tired of moving the wii controller around? Both systems don't REQUIRE the use of their motion sensing technology.
AzTeK
well I don't see the harm in getting good ideas and using them even if they are from other companies, after all this only benefits the gamers.
Whong
DeadMen wrote:
i personally think PS3 are good because if you think about computer gaming , you probadly have to spend >$500 to have a PC capable display 3d games. i spended like $400 on mine build but i waited to buy everything. the console got like it own $300 PC graphic card and surf the internet(i think i forgot where i heard it from).


Of course if you intend to play games a PC won't be a good choice, but you could pay a whole lot of money for PS3 or buy a computer for the same price. But of course if you want to play, buy a console like Wii, PS3 or Xbox 360, but if you intend to do something more than playing buy the computer.

I agree that the stuff to make the computer powerful costs a whole lot of money. I don't play with my PC, I work with it. If I want to play I'll buy a console, and I already have a whole bunch of Nintendo consoles! Laughing Idea
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