Each Saturday, I'm going to post a different saying, (as long as I can think of them anyway and someone else doesn't beat me to it). I want you to tell me if it actually came from the Bible or do we just associate it with the Bible because we think it should be there.
First saying:
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| Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. |
If you believe it's there, show proof. Is this game for non-Christians as well? Because I haven't read the complete Bible yet, so I wouldn't be able to say for sure whether or not it's in the Bible.
I'll post about your first statement though, and then you can tell me whether it's ok for me to reply about your subsequent statements
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| do unto others as you would have them do unto you |
This is pretty much a lot a like karma... what goes around comes around.
Anyway, personally, I think this should be in the Bible, even if it is not. In fact, it should be taught to everyone, including in school. 
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| Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. |
not there
is using sources outside of our heads allowed? like biblegateway?You're going to have make the rules of your game a little more clear. First, are paraphrases allowed? If so, then:
| Matthew 7:20 (Old King James Version) wrote: |
| Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. |
Can you use any translation? Because some are closer than others:
| Matthew 7:20 (New International Version) wrote: |
| So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets. |
This is for anyone who wants to play, Christian and Non-Christian alike.
Using outside sources is allowed. I don't know anyone that knows the Bible word for word. 
As far as translations, I use the old King James Version. I know this sounds weird, but I seem to understand it better, but use whichever is more comfortable for you.
Paraphrasing is fine, just make sure it's real close to the original saying.
If you know a saying that will fit with this thread, please post it. I'll only post a new saying every Saturday, unless someone else beats me to it. That way, we'll only have one at a time to look up. I figured this would be fair to everyone and give others a chance to post a saying.
If you think of any other rules that need clearing up, please don't hesitate to comment. I never thought of having rules. It was just something I was playing around with and thought I'd post it.
Last edited by livilou on Sun May 07, 2006 9:23 pm; edited 1 time in total | Indi wrote: |
| Matthew 7:20 (New International Version) wrote: | | So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets. |
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what niv are you using there Indi? Or KJV? Becuase my niv/kjv/message/ylt is ther verse about recognizng people by thier fruit. Cheater! 
Ok, its actually 7:12, I was just mad because I guessed wrong.One more thing, if you do post a saying, please don't answer your own question. Let others have a chance first.
| a_dubDesign wrote: |
| Indi wrote: |
| Matthew 7:20 (New International Version) wrote: | | So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets. |
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what niv are you using there Indi? Or KJV? Becuase my niv/kjv/message/ylt is ther verse about recognizng people by thier fruit. Cheater!
Ok, its actually 7:12, I was just mad because I guessed wrong. |
Yeah, my bad, it's 7:12. Typo that I just copy-pasted twice.Here's your new quote for the week.
Also, since you seem to be so fast at doing this, I may start adding quotes on Wednesday and Saturday. That is, if you agree.
1st guess: is yes, somewhere in either Job, Lamentations, or the psalms
*runs off to find a bible
*runs back remembering biblegateway | livilou wrote: |
Each Saturday, I'm going to post a different saying, (as long as I can think of them anyway and someone else doesn't beat me to it). I want you to tell me if it actually came from the Bible or do we just associate it with the Bible because we think it should be there.
First saying:
| Quote: | | Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. |
If you believe it's there, show proof. |
I kind of actually prefer the confucian version
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| do NOT do to others as you would NOT have them do to you |
| Shike wrote: |
| livilou wrote: | Each Saturday, I'm going to post a different saying, (as long as I can think of them anyway and someone else doesn't beat me to it). I want you to tell me if it actually came from the Bible or do we just associate it with the Bible because we think it should be there.
First saying:
| Quote: | | Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. |
If you believe it's there, show proof. |
I kind of actually prefer the confucian version
| Quote: | | do NOT do to others as you would NOT have them do to you |
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Are they not saying the same thing? Treat others the way you want to be treated? | livilou wrote: |
| Shike wrote: | I kind of actually prefer the confucian version
| Quote: | | do NOT do to others as you would NOT have them do to you |
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Are they not saying the same thing? Treat others the way you want to be treated? |
Mmmmm.... >_< Yes and no.... It's really sly semantic trickery, but it does make a difference.
Let's say, for argument's sake, that you like to be hugged but hate to be punched, and you consider those phrases to be laws, not just guidelines. By the "do unto others..." version, you should hug people, but punching them is ok, too - because it doesn't say "only do what you like done to you", it just says "do the things you like done to you". It makes hugging mandatory, and punching optional.
By contrast, the other wording says you should not punch people, but hugging is ok. It makes punching forbidden, and hugging optional.
Of course, those are completely literal interpretations of both phrases. The intention of both versions is the same, but, taken literally, they're quite different. Even if you're not following them to the letter, I rather like the idea of the Confucian version. The Christian version seems selfish to me by comparison, suggesting that you should do what feels good to you to others. What if I hate hugging but you love it? The Christian version doesn't consider that directly - it simply says do to me what you like done to you - which in that case causes misery. The Confucian version, on the other hand, is more thoughtful and cautious. If (for argument's sake) I loved being punched while you hated it, you wouldn't punch me, which means that you wouldn't be creating happiness... but at least you're not causing misery.Next saying:
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| God will never put more on you than you can bear. |
hay i no thats in the bible some where (has to be)
but...... i am more then 100% sure that it is in the quran (if you guys dont mind) i will look for both the quranic verse and bibelic
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| God will never put more on you than you can bear. |
I don't think it is. Off to look it up.Hey, no one gave the answer to the last one. It is in the bible, but only sorta kinda, and not in the usage we normally apply. It's in Job 19:20, the last part of which technically translates as something close to "and I have escaped with only the skin of my teeth".
What that section is is pretty much just Job whining about how much his life sucks at the moment. He's describing how all his friends have ditched him, and how everyone is making fun of him, and how his breath stinks, and how he's only skin and bones now, yadda yadda. What Job is actually saying is "and I got out with only my gums", meaning he lost his teeth.
Edit: Oh, and I don't want to comment on the new one (just like I didn't comment on the old one), because I think I know the answer, but I don't want to spoil it.
| livilou wrote: |
Next saying:
God will never put more on you than you can bear. |
closest I could find
genesis 4:13-14
And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
at which the Lord replied,
God: 'naaw no one will kill you, I put my mark on you.'
Cain: gee.... thanks.Everyone is doing excellent on these. Now for the next one.
| livilou wrote: |
Next saying:
| Quote: | | God will never put more on you than you can bear. |
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Did anyone get the last one? The one I had was 1 Corinthians 10:13: "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."
Technically, it doesn't really say that God won't give you more than you can bear. It says God won't tempt you beyond your capacity to withstand the temptation - or in other words, God won't tempt you more than you can bear. As far as suffering goes, it seems to be open season.
Is there anything closer?
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Everyone is doing excellent on these. Now for the next one.
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Yay Moses. ^_^ | Indi wrote: |
Yay Moses. ^_^ |
geez man, you got the entire book memorized?? | Indi wrote: |
Yay Moses. ^_^ |
don't forget King David or the prophet whose name I just forgot. | NemoySpruce wrote: |
| Indi wrote: |
Yay Moses. ^_^ |
geez man, you got the entire book memorized?? |
^_^
Yes, actually, mostly. It was kind of mandatory where I came from. >_< | Indi wrote: |
| Yes, actually, mostly. It was kind of mandatory where I came from. >_< |
Where did you come from.
Since its technically wednesday I'll throw one in the mix
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| love the sinner, hate the sin |
| a_dubDesign wrote: |
| Indi wrote: | | Yes, actually, mostly. It was kind of mandatory where I came from. >_< |
Where did you come from. |
Oh, now that's a loooooong story. >_<
But I was taught all about Christianity by a series of missionaries. You kinda had to listen to their shpiels in order to get any aid, medical or otherwise. That's just the way things worked. I learned early on that the better I knew the bible, the less lecturing I had to listen to, because I could parrot back the things they wanted to hear. Then later when I went to schools, they all had mandatory "religious studies" classes - which weren't really studying religions, just teaching Christianity (in fact, religious non-Christians got to skip those classes - that is Muslims, Hindus and so on got to skip, but not Christians or atheists). I did years of those classes. >_< | Indi wrote: |
| But I was taught all about Christianity by a series of missionaries. You kinda had to listen to their shpiels in order to get any aid, medical or otherwise. |
ahh yes, I hate that. Well not through experience, thank God, but just the idea. | a_dubDesign wrote: |
| Indi wrote: | | Yes, actually, mostly. It was kind of mandatory where I came from. >_< |
Where did you come from.
Since its technically wednesday I'll throw one in the mix
| Quote: | | love the sinner, hate the sin |
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I'm going to have to study up on that one and have an answer for you. What a great saying. Thanks.wow, its almost been a week and nothing from Indi? Did I stump ya?
| a_dubDesign wrote: |
| wow, its almost been a week and nothing from Indi? Did I stump ya? |
^_^;
I didn't want to jump in with answers for every one all the time because that just ruins it for everyone else. I could answer this if you want, I guess, because it's been a while. | Indi wrote: |
^_^;
I didn't want to jump in with answers for every one all the time because that just ruins it for everyone else. I could answer this if you want, I guess, because it's been a while. |
bummer, I thought I had yaHey, I could still be wrong. ^_^
i think its safe to answer now since its offically been a week
Fair enough. ^_^
Then I say: not in the bible. In fact, the bible - in several places - instructs you to hate the sinner.
"Hate the sin, love the sinner" came from St. Augustine.
I did some studiing on this one and found some interesting post on it, it made me think about that statement differently. I have always been taught that, and it's a policy that I kind of follow. I do love the sinner, but I can't say that I hate the sin, more like I dislike their actions.
Anyway one person made the comment that if you try to live by this rule, you tend to let it color all your actions toward that person and if you're not careful, you'll end up hating that person and not even realize it.
Thanks for posting that one and giving me something to think about.
Since I'll be going on vacation soon, I'm going to post my next one now. I don't know when I'll be able to get back, so have fun.
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| God places your sins in the Sea of Forgetfullness. |
| livilou wrote: |
| Thanks for posting that one and giving me something to think about. |
you're very welcome
| livilou wrote: |
Since I'll be going on vacation soon, I'm going to post my next one now. I don't know when I'll be able to get back, so have fun. |
i hope you have a great time
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| God places your sins in the Sea of Forgetfullness. |
nothing popping off the top of my head
